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Speaking With Kat Rocha and J Ishiro on Alt Cultural Content... and Boobs | Fireside Chat 232 · Honey Badger Radio

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Hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name is Brian,
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and this is the Fireside Chat. We are on fireside Chat number two hundred
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and thirty two, a lot of a lot of guests, and on today's
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very special show. Because all of our fireside chats are special. I have
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a returning guest, Jay Ishiro, and I guess your partner in crime cat
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Rocha Roca. How do you sell you say? Is it Rocha roachat?
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Okay? Yes? Oh good. I didn't want to, like, you
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know, say roach. I thought that might be a little gross. But
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and you guys are podcasters. You have a show called Wordcraft Podcast, I
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guess. And you are creatives, your writers, and you are very very
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interested in the culture. Are those kind of like accurate presumptions. Yeah.
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We've been within the comics industry since two thousand and six. We've we've kind
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of made the round. We worked for DC Comics. We uh did a
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book, a couple of books for our chaus studios. We started our own
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publishing company, Publishing. We've done a lot of game illustration. Nice.
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We have our own podcast, Wordcraft, which is about you know, exposing
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readers to new writers or stuff. That doesn't woke. Well, we've got
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our weekly podcast, Kissed Off gen Xers. Oh really, Oh so you
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guys are gen Xers too? Oh yeah, oh yeah, okay, Well
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yeah, well I think that's uh, that makes a lot of sense.
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I think it's going to come down to gen x in a lot of ways
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to like step in. Really, you know, we kind of grew up
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in I think what I think was like probably a really good time for media
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and culture. And yeah, it was like our books, our films,
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our shows, everything. So I guess well, first of all, I
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want to shout out to Rumble. So hello Pep in the Rumble group,
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please go to Rumble and subscribe there. I think that we started talking about
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this a little bit. I think that Rumble is very promising as an alternative
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to YouTube. They they've gotten stuff right that like bit Shoot didn't quite get
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and they still haven't done, for example, live streaming. I think live
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streaming on Rumble is really great. A lot of very big content creators are
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on Rumble. So I would say, you know, if you can go
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to Rumble and subscribe to us. There, it's HB Radio. There are
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there's a phone app for it, there's a tablet app for it, you
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can put it on your Amazon firestick. It's it's pretty, it's pretty accessible.
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So and I think Rumble's gonna grow. I think it's going to continue
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to grow. And they're pretty free speech oriented, which I think the main
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thing. So anyway, so yeah, shout out to the Rumble Gang.
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So what's I guess like A lot's happened since last time we spoke. What
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what are you guys like? Do you have any goals for your not just
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your channel, but what it is you do? What do you what are
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you hoping to do? Is it just exposed people to new content or what?
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Oh? Primarily yes, it's to expose people to new content, good
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content. I suppose the double edged sword of the Internet and the current publishing
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world is that anybody can get their stuff out there, and that's great,
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But at the same time, anybody can get their stuff out there, it's
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harder to find quality stuff or things that, to put it bluntly, aren't
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going to necessarily preach out you. And so that was one of the goals
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of zero one Publishing is to put content out there that was good storytelling,
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that wasn't woke, didn't shy away from sensitive subject matters. In fact,
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our tagline is no safe spaces and basically dare people to think. And recently,
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with that said, though it was never our intent to enter into anything
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resembling a political space, we did find that it was very important to put
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out Ishi's latest book, Boobs of Steel, because it's tackling a subject matter
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that's very near and dear to you know, your audiences trust. Yes,
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well, basically, you know, I know, the main focus of the
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Honey Batters and it's it's a topic that I very much so support is telling
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men that it's okay to be men. While with that said, Boobs of
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Steel goes along with that because not only is it talking about the attack of
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femininity and you know, what is a woman in pop culture, but also
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the attack on men for liking to look at women. It's not a bad
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thing, and that's There's so much more of this book than that, but
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that's yeah, that's one of the main things. And I wanted to immediately
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throw that out there. Oh no, it's good to us. Yeah,
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yeah, So what Okay, So is Boob's a Steel a story or is
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it kind of like a is it like infotainment? Like what would or entertainment.
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Well, that's kind of uh, it's entertaining to read. I made
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sure of that it's not. It's not written like a textbook for that's if
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that's what you're asking. Uh. You know, I'm primarily done known for
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doing like my graphic novels case file Arkham for instance. You know, I've
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got a big pile of graphic novels I've done. But two years ago I
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sat down to what rite an essay originally, and it was about the fact
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that we saw as far back as what two thousand and eight, two thousand
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and seven, when I would say, wait, two thousand and eight,
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big bang theory. We started getting all these new fans flooding into geek culture,
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and with it came a lot of you know, gender studies majors and
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millennial feminists and you go down the list, and they were there for all
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the wrong reasons. As a community, the comics community was more than welcome,
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more than happy to welcome them through the door, as was the sci
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fi community, as was Star Wars, as was Star Trek, you get
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on. Everybody was fine letting them in, but their presence became very,
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very toxic. It was all about colonization they were gonna Basically, they took
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the whole thing over and burned it to the ground and they had Star Wars.
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Yeah, they had no love of the properties. It was simply a
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fad. It was obvious they didn't like any of the stuff. They kept
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going on. They've always loved comics, but yet you wanted to read like
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Twilight. Well there's a difference between liking like the Ninja Turtles or like Marvel
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comics and like loving rockets. So I mean it's you know, if that's
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what you'll you can have it, but like just you know, that's a
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different thing. No, these people didn't like any of it. Yeah,
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they didn't like any of it. They were posers. Yeah, but the
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very first thing they always went after was they showed up, and the first
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thing they went after was, oh, well, power Girls sexist? Why
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boobs? Why boops? Oh yeah, the character power Girl and not the
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series Powerpuff Girls. Sorry I got it mixed up. No no, oh,
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totally different. Yeah, that's sexist. Why bobs? Oh where?
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No? No, no, you need more of an argument of that.
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Well, how about men like them? And it was just taken as fact
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and you wrote an essay in two thousand and nine about Power Girl. Yes,
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I want to talk a little about that. Basically, I was utterly
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disgusted and disappointed with Amanda Connor and Palmiante's portrayal of Power Girl, where they
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did not diminish her chest, in fact, they enhanced it. In fact,
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they you know, her boob window as it were, was usually actually
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pretty small, and they made it like the entire outfit and then made her
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a clown and a laughing stock and the babysitter. To Earley Quinn, it
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was just one ongoing boob joke. They taken a great character, a certain
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body type and ridiculed the shit out of her. Yea, So this was
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a response or or were the feminist responding to the joke and say loved it?
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Ye oh they did? Okay, okay, they turned her into a
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laughing stock I love Yeah. Yeah. Now you can point in ridicule and
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laugh at her. And she's no longer an object of femininity and a female
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power, now a clown. She's she's a parody of what men like in
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women. It's basically you being used as a bludgeon against men for liking attractive
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women. And there was one character out of hundreds of DC characters, this
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one character with a certain body type was not allowed, right why? And
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it went from there, and you know, we ask forward to now and
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Katie sack Off on the Mandalorian, who's got a beak up. They're bitching
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about it. It went from oh, we'll share her boobs are too,
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she can't have any boobs, And now we're wondering why we've got teenage girls
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cutting their tits off and trying to be men. Yeah. Well I didn't
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come out of nowhere. No, no, of course not. You know,
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I've talked about this on the show a lot. I think a lot
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of this propaganda and this queer theory, feminist theory, education, it all
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comes from feminist theory or critical race theory, queer theory, all of it
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comes from feminist theory at the end of the day. But it's been going
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on since before we were born. It's like very old. And it was
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in in in our education, in our culture, in our media, in
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academia, it's in everywhere. It's in our politics. And I think that
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it's just because coming a lot more obvious in the last say fifty years people,
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but it's always been there and The thing that is interesting about what you're
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saying is is that feminism is at once and of course it's this sounds like
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a paradox, but it really isn't. At once. It's prudish and it's
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anti woman, it's anti man. It's anti you know, like love and
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sexuality and beauty. It's anti beauty. It's all it's all pro ugliness,
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but it's also extremely degenerate, like it wants everything to be sexualized. It
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sees like men can't be friends with each other. I don't know if you've
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noticed this, but like male friendships can't exist without homosexual undertones or overtones.
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Rather, and female relationships are just as bad in many cases, or they
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there there's a sisterhood, and it's it's anti family, it's anti natalist.
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And yet, like I said, it's like it's at once it's beyond puritanist,
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and at the same time it's absolutely like degenerate. It's puritan if it
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comes to normal healthy male female interaction. Yes, healthy sexual relationship between a
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grown man and a grown woman is a crime against humanity. A woman looking
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like a feminine woman is a crime against humanity. Men having healthy relationships with
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each other and women crime against humanity. But if you want to put on
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heels and flap your dick around and fund of children, that's great. Yeah.
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Well, like I said, it's very it's very it's very selective.
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I think it really does. Like you said, it comes down to is
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it going to make men happy or not? Right, that's kind of ultimately
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what it is. If it makes men happy, it has to go.
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And by extension that means women too. But as I cover in groups of
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steel, it's going to be a three part series. By the way,
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is the beget that I can trace it back to the furthest point, I
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can trace it back to us the nineteen forties with Similone Beuvoir declaring that women
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aren't born, they are made but there's no such thing as a woman.
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That they are in manufactured social concept by men to make them slaves. Now
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that and guess what else she was. She was a big buddy with Faco
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and they were all big into pedophilia and communism. They were all pedophilic files
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and communists. That's not a coincidence now that message, Yeah, well I
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don't find that that's a coincidence today now that that message didn't really resonate well
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with the Rosie the Riverter generation. They were more than happy to go back
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home and be moms. They fought their war, they'd done their part.
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They were happy to go back to their lives. For the most part,
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this whole myth that they were forced out of the workplace is bullshit. Most
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of them were, Hey, your grandmother was more than happy to step Do
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you remember, yea that they wanted to go be mobs. Yeah, But
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for some reason that message from Beuvoir stood out and really resonated with the sixties
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and they a sexual revolution. Just about everything the feminists wrote back then in
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some way rooted back to that concept that women aren't real, it's a social
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concept. And they also went out of their way to portray the Latin life
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of a woman of being utter misery. And now if you're going on and
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saying, oh, women, being female just means you're a slave. Being
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female means utter misery and living in constant fear with having no opportunities, again,
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I repeat, why is anyone surprised that, you know, coupled,
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they have a few more deck days later, we've got little girls getting their
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chips chip chopped off and claiming their non binary to escape womanhood, right,
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or boys taking hormones so that they can try to like get some of that
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juicy female privilege that they see everywhere around them, like, you know,
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always being put on strip teases. Yeah, that's just discussed. And it's
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mom's doing this, single moms. It's single moms doing it especially. Yes,
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So you know I am I really applaud was it Kelly J Keen for
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what she's doing. You're familiar with her, right, Yeah? I know
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who she is. Yeah. She she was a She was a feminist that
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we used to respond to a lot. And in a way, I have
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mixed feelings about her because even though she's feeling the sting of all this shit
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now, she was a part of the problem like ten years ago, because
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she was she was a big old feminist that was like, you know,
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men are the problem, patriarchy, down with it, et cetera. And
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now we're at this point where men are becoming women because they feel so awful
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about being men. And now she's like, oh, get out of my
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bathroom. It's like, well you did this point. Yeah, feminists who
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are waking up and pushing back, Yeah, ladies, you're never gonna win.
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This fight until you fucking all in the fact you did this to yourself,
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Yes you did this. Yes, And they're not doing they're not owning
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up to it, you know, I know they're claiming it. Yeah,
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they're just calling it more patriarchy, which is like doubling down on the same
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old lies, which isn't really going to solve anything. This is what you
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know, I know, this Kelly j K Jean, this Kelly Jay Keen
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thing is really a bit of a digression. But it is really frustrating to
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see feminists that have hated men, that have all propped up women constantly,
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that have claimed victim hood for women, and now they are seeing the fruits
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of this our work and they're still blaming men for it. This is going
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to destroy our society, like it really is. And they and they're not
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powerless like that, Like feminism is the status quo. It is, It
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runs the institutions, it educates people, it's everything like what we're doing.
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You know, I just saw a video today on the Lotus seaters and there
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was a discussion between you know, the Lotus eaters are I assume or Okay,
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yeah, so Carl and you know what, Colum, I sent you
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a book. I sent you this book created. So I don't think Colin's
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going to see this, but it would be nice if he did. But
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so in the discussion, Carl Benjamin was talking to Philip Tanser. Now Philip
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Tanser is wasn't a men's rights activist. I don't know if he still is.
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I'll just say it was, but probably still is. And he found
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us, Like in twenty sixteen, we had an international conference on men's issues
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in the UK and he went there was his first time ever going. And
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at the time he considered himself and a gat militarian, you know, equalist
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type, like he didn't want to be an MRA, like like the the
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word the term MRA still had like the stench on it, right, it
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still had the kodies. So it was like, well, I don't want
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to call myself that, but I want to help you guys. And over
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time he became more and more interested. And then I saw him on the
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Lotus heaters today and I didn't watch the whole video, so forgive me,
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but I asked one of my patrons to watch it because in it, they
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basically said the men's movement is dying and that like you know, no one
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is like like that, like it, you know, like it's running out
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of steam, nobody cares anymore, blah blah blah. Right, and and
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I was I was upset by that because it's like we're the underdogs. And
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I mean not just the underdogs, we're like so death, you know what
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I mean, Like just me saying, you know what, I care about
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men. It drives people like away. They don't have to be feminists,
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they can be normal people. They can even be people that actually say they
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care about men. And it's it's so frustrating because it's like we're not we
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can't quit because what's gonna happen is if if we don't stop. And I
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do think that we're making a lot of gains. By the way, as
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an aside, I don't think that it's dying. I think it's growing.
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But one of the things that is the people are going to have to wake
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up to is the fact that with the declining birth rates, fewer men and
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women are getting married, fewer men and women are having kids. All of
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these like substrates and and these infrastructure and the welfare state and the taxation everything
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it's gonna go. It's gonna go, like because there aren't enough men to
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pay into the system, because men are the primary ones that pay into the
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system, and women are the ones that take money out of the system,
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like they're the ones we give all the benefits to buy and large, right,
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So it's not sustainable. So like it's gonna have to collapse. It's
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the only way people are going to realize. You know, Kevin Tanza,
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no, no, his name is and I'm not attacked Philip, but it's
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Philip Tanzer t a n z Er Philip. He used to be he used
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to be a gay porn star, but he before he got involved with us,
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right and then. But he's since gotten married and like to a woman
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and he lives in Scotland. Well here's anything, and here's my opinion.
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It's not followed you guys since oh god, at least twenty fourteen, maybe
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when Gamergate was going on. Yeah, that's kind of where I found you
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guys. My take on this is the argument and the battlefield has changed in
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a lot of ways. The plight of the men you're talking about now because
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far you were talking primarily a jen x men. We're all in middle age
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now, that baby creating part has passed. Most of us have found our
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equilibrium and how we're going to survive. That's part of it. Most of
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us have already said, Okay, I got my home, I got my
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job, I got my retirement. You know what, if women want to
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go down in flames, tough shit, that's their problem. Really, our
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focus has to be on mentor puot you know, the tactics you were guys
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who are using vector and Gamergate aren't going to work. Now. It's a
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different landscape, and the best thing we can do is mentor young people to
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maneuver and navigate this mine field. Well that's what we've been doing. Yeah,
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yeah, yeah, Well that's what we've been doing, is informing people
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like that, you know, visit like first of all, they have to
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know the scope of what they're up against. It's like trying to convince a
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fish that they live in water. I mean that like that, you know,
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yeah, because zoomers are well aware of it, well, I mean
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I think they are becoming aware of it because more of the content is getting
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out there. Like I've noticed people using the word missentry, like, you
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know, as a term outside of the mid of this sort of space as
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feminism has become a joke to them. Yeah, well yeah, but I
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mean that's true too. But I do think the zoomers are waking up.
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But go ahead, you can. I from my observations and experience, I'm
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finding that a lot of zoomers are you know, they look at the ship,
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they look at being told, you know, what you like is sexist
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or evil or whatever. They're seeing the hypocrisy of it all, and they're
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quite frankly, seeing the female population fall. You fall into these traps,
22:37
into this insanity, and a lot of them are like, you know what,
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I'm open out on this, and they're abstaining. They're removing themselves from
22:47
the equation, which is the best thing they can do and the worst thing
22:52
for the opposition, because it's one thing to be engaged, it's another to
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remove yourself. We have a lot of zoomers who listen to are pissed off.
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Jenext really find it funny that zoomers are all coming to our show to
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get information. Yeah, And the general attitude among them is I'm not saving
23:10
over college. I'm saving to go to a foreign country to find a wife.
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Oh passport bros. Yeah, I talk about No, I don't blame
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it either in the middle. The women in the Philippines are gorgeous, and
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I'll I'll also say that unfortunately, I think the other reason the battlefield's changed.
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Sorry Millennials. I'd say maybe thirty percent of you guys survived, but
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the rest of you are a lost generation. There's nothing we can do.
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It's beyond help. I don't like admitting that I think seventy percent of the
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millennials are just a lost cause. Yeah, that's depressing as hell, but
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yeah, yeah, well, I mean, I like, I'm I am
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an internal optimist. I feel like things will either, you know, level
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out. There'll be a lot of suff for Ring'll be a lot of chaos,
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but it will level out. Hopefully people will figure out what's going on.
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I do think that the Zoomers, what I've noticed, I saw like
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a study. I don't know how accurate it is, but that showed the
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way that it was described. Because this was like a left wing article that
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said it. It said that zoomer men are moving further right and zoomer women
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are moving further left. Now, I think that the language on that is
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a little tricky because then you get into like, what does it even mean
24:30
to go right or whatever. But what I think it means is zoomer women
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are being raised, they're growing up more feminist, and zoomer men are being
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are growing up more anti feminist. And I think that's what it is,
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that's what's happening. Well, keep in mind that by today's standards, a
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Clinton Democrat is a freaking Nazi. Yeah, I know, I know,
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I know, And it's well because it's always like double down on the radicalism.
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Right. So anyway, so culturally, I saw I was looking at
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your YouTube channel that was pretty interesting stuff on here. So I don't know
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if you know, and I'm gonna tell you guys and the audience. So
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Alison is currently writing a science fiction story that it's not necessarily intended to be
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anti woke. I don't think that that's necessarily a goal that you should have.
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I think you should try to do a good job because if you know,
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all you have to do is not include wokeness and you'll be fine.
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Like, you know, people just want a story, Yeah, just tell
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just tell a good story. You don't have to go out of your way
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to make a statement. But she is trying to get her book edited.
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She's very excited about it. She's trying to get it done professionally and she's
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looking for some support, So if you could and maybe you guys know somebody
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who can be an editor or whatever for Alison. Her book is called The
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Captive. I I don't know much about it except that she describes it as
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Alison Wonderland meets games of Game of Thrones. I'm not sure if that's enough
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to go off of, but yeah, So if you want to support the
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funding effort she's putting towards The Captive, I then go to feedabadge, dot
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com, forward slash, I E y E to support And I mean,
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everybody's making content now, and I think that's a really exciting it's a really
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exciting time. But just like Kat said, opening it up to everyone means
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there's going to be a lot of garbage. I mean, that's that's basically
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like the real the reality of it. But at least people are trying,
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and I think that that is that says a lot, right, Like if
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somebody's never written a book or told a story before, and they really want
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to be a part of the solution, and they really want to do what
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lefties are always telling them to, which is will make your own book if
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you if you don't like what, you know, what we've done to your
26:47
favorite thing like Doctor Who, or or or Star Wars or Star Trek or
26:52
whatever it is, then go make your own content. Yeah, pick any
26:56
franchise, really, any popular one. Anything that's like under the radar doesn't
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get noticed. That's safe, you know, But the moment you're successful,
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they will come at you. Yeah knives. Yeah, here's the thing.
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There's always been crap. There's always been an overabundance of crap, but there
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hasn't always been an overabundance of the Internet channels dedicating their lives to crying and
27:22
screaming and criticizing and throwing temper tantrums about Marvel, DC, Star Trek,
27:29
Star Wars. Look, we know it's all crap. Stop complaining and go
27:33
find the good stuff and promote it. You want good media, promote good
27:36
media. Now. I did want to get back to Boobs of Steel for
27:40
a moment. Sure, we talked about millennials and zoomers and this book.
27:47
I felt it wasn't enough to cover the culture war. It wasn't enough to
27:52
talk to them about the problem. Because I do get into the problem I
27:56
mean, there's gonna be three books. The third book is nothing but the
27:59
Cold War. I felt, before we even really tackled what was wrong in
28:06
depth, it was more important that we know what we've lost. And that
28:11
is why a huge portion of Boots of Steel is dedicated to actually the history
28:17
of the of these archetypes, how to write them, why they're important,
28:21
why they're symbolically significant, and I go all the way back to the Paleolithic
28:26
age, showing that these characters and these symbols have been with us that long,
28:33
and give a full education so that you know, there's been a lot
28:36
of there's been so much revisionist history about oh, the Golden age of sci
28:45
Fi was so sexist, So the golden age of sci Fi was a boy's
28:48
club. No, no, they don't even know what the hell they're talking
28:52
about. I also show that these characters are powerful that every time Wonder Woman's
28:59
come under fire or has become a political football, it has been a reflection
29:06
of the times. When Frederick Wortham nearly destroyed the comics industry with his Seduction
29:14
of the Innocent Right, he named the Wonder Woman the most dangerous character in
29:19
print. Yeah, now here's an interesting thing. We're always told that Wortham
29:27
was some sort of fundamentalist Christian Conservative. It's a lie. We were lied
29:33
to, that lie. A lot of effort was put forth to make everyone
29:37
think he was a Christian Conservative. Sure, truth of the man, Oh
29:41
did you read it? No? No, I didn't read it. But
29:44
I mean, I'm not surprised by that because of how much we've been lied
29:47
to about everything else. So he wasn't actually a Christian conservative fundamentalist. So
29:51
what's true truth of the story is is that he was a German Jew who
29:56
had fled the Holocaust and looked safely in New York. He was a Communist,
30:02
and he was very wealthy, and after being after the United States went
30:07
to war to free his people, after taking shelter in New York and being
30:14
essentially safe from the Nazis, he had come to the conclusion that America was
30:18
going to become the next group of Nazis, and therefore everything needed to be
30:23
censored, and that he should be the arbiter of what gets censored. And
30:26
he was going to start with comics and then move on to television movies.
30:32
And he was very open about this. Yeah, and he was such a
30:34
fan of Karl Marx that he named his clinic after Karl Marx's son, So
30:41
the guy was a big time communist. Second, in the nineteen seventies,
30:47
there was this rift between the feminists. There was the pro sex feminists,
30:52
you know, glorious sex positive and sex negative right right, that formed because
31:00
it's the rift that caused that was Glory Steinham put wonder Woman on the cover
31:04
of Miss magazine that permanently destroyed her friendship with Betty for Dan a communist,
31:12
and the communist anti sex wing, the anti you know, we were all
31:17
the same get rid of gender group in feminism. We're throwing We're enraged that
31:23
they would put wonder Woman on the cover. It was a horrible image to
31:27
show females. And then that that same fight got even worse. What a
31:33
beauty queen. Linda Carter played the character on television. That actually was the
31:40
rift that split the feminist movement back in the seventies. Not surprising, but
31:45
interesting. And here we are in the modern era in twenty sixteen or was
31:49
it twenty eighteen. I forget which galad Well I have opinions about Galagada.
31:57
Oh, I thought you were going to mention Galgadaks were talking about. No,
32:00
no, the UN had named Wonder Woman as a symbolic ambassador for women.
32:07
Yeah yeah, and the feminists and the Islamic Nations joined forces to get
32:15
that rescinded, specifically because her boobs were too big. Okay, I mean
32:23
yeah, and yeah, I've had people say, and she was white.
32:30
Well yeah, she's a she's a cartoon character. She's not real, you
32:35
know, so they shouldn't have been doing it anyway. You know, Angry
32:37
Birds is still their ambassadors for the environment. Oh my god, angry Birds.
32:45
Well, you know, the US. The UN is a joke.
32:46
Anyways, they're they're they're all commies. Yeah. So yeah, it's so
32:52
I don't you know, I don't really have I mean, the thing that's
32:57
stupid about this is that every so if you I used to draw comics,
33:02
Okay, when you draw female characters in comics, generally they all have the
33:07
same body So, like, it's not like Wonder Woman's cleavage or boobs is
33:13
bigger than Power Girls. It's all about like where you direct attention. You
33:16
know, Storm and Rogue and Jean Gray they all have the very similar body
33:23
types there, very they're basically the same. That didn't really because it was
33:28
all about when when we used to make comics and I used to read them,
33:31
like in the eighties, they weren't there to to differentiate that much between
33:37
characters. It was just like the men look like this, the women look
33:40
like this. And sometimes there are exceptions, sometimes you have a really large
33:45
man, sometimes you have a really fat guy, you know, but like
33:47
in general, we were all gonna they were all gonna have the same body
33:51
type. And it's weird because when they when they point to a woman and
33:54
they say I don't like the chess on that woman, they're saying I don't
33:59
like the chess on any drawn woman because they're all basically the same. So
34:02
it's not like you can, oh, I'll change wonder woman everything. You'll
34:06
be fine. No, it's you know, they're not going to stop there,
34:09
right. Additionally, power girls actually always had a bit of a bigger
34:13
check. Yeah, but it wasn't your build, It wasn't you know,
34:15
it wasn't like massive. It was like it was enough to basically make the
34:20
point, you know. So, But but here's another one about the fact
34:24
that women and feminists specifically are hung up on those and hung up on visible
34:30
signs of femininity since the nineties, think about it, weren't twenty twenty three.
34:37
Since the nineties, feminists have been trying to get power Girls tis power
34:43
Girl in her tits banned. Since the nineties, they've been going after Laura
34:47
Croft. Since the seventies, they've been going after Barbie. Why this isn't
34:53
like the representative of all characters. It's just that image. Yeah, no,
35:00
it's it is about image. It's about control. It's also about control,
35:05
like at the end of the day, they just want to control,
35:07
like the culture. That's why they only go after stuff that is very popular,
35:12
because then they it's all for With these people, it's always about top
35:16
down power. So if they if they can get to the highest echelons and
35:21
then control from there down, they will And this is why it usually upsets
35:25
people that are like, you know, sort of like I guess you could
35:29
say, at the grassroots of something. For example, do you since you
35:34
remember gamer Gage, you remember Anita Sarcassian? Oh yeah, okay, yeah,
35:40
I'm sure you do. I'm sure you do it. Yeah. So
35:45
Anita Sarcassian is not is not particularly like special when it comes to intersectional feminists.
35:52
She's basically just another one of them, and uh, people refuted her.
35:58
And we did it too online, you know, because we wanted to
36:00
like make the counter arguments. You know, Thunderfoot probably made the most videos
36:05
about Anita Sarkeesian back then than anybody. And recently it was announced that or
36:10
Anita announced that she was shutting down feminist frequency like as a channel, right,
36:15
and everybody was rejoicing, oh, you know feminist BTFO blah blah blah,
36:21
And I said, no, that's not that's that's not the that's that
36:25
doesn't matter. She's done what she wanted to do. Because what she's done
36:30
is she has gotten work as a consultant in the game's industry, and now
36:35
she's of what we've seen in the game industry. Yeah, have you seen
36:38
she's she's absolutely involved. She was involved with dishonor, she was involved with
36:44
Bethesda and various other Naughty Dog, right, she was involved with the Last
36:49
of Us Part two, which absolutely like shit on a great franchise that could
36:52
have been amazing. And it's because at the end of the day, she's
36:57
not trying to change the minds of like everyday gamers, just like feminists are
37:01
not trying to change the minds of everyday people that are consuming content, that
37:05
are getting education whatever. She's about changing the mind to the people that matter
37:08
to her, the people empower the people that create. So if she can
37:13
go to the devs and get them to change, and of course she's not
37:15
the only one doing this. She's making everybody read you know, fucking bell
37:20
hooks or whatever, then they will be influenced by that and they will create
37:23
content based on that. So again to your comment about the games industry,
37:27
this is why As had his giant like meltdown about Starfield because it had pronouns
37:35
in the beginning of the game, right, and he was like, why
37:37
are there fucking pronouns in this far future space game? And I was like,
37:40
because these people are They are true believers. They're not trying to make
37:45
money. I mean, do you think that. Do you think they're trying
37:47
to make money or do you think they're just they don't. Yes, Actually,
37:52
I would say that the pattern I've seen repeatedly. You name it Betty
37:55
for Dan, Frederick Worth, need a Sarkasian, you name every one of
38:02
them. It's the same strategy. One they're communist, Two they show up,
38:08
yeah, Three they identify a problem that does not exist, they scream
38:13
and yell and say I'm the only one who can fix it, and you
38:15
gotta payby Okay. Yeah, they are con artists. Yes they're true believers.
38:22
Yes they're communists through and through who want top down control. But they
38:28
also want all your money. Yeah. But there's two ways you can make
38:31
money, I guess, and she's chosen one. One is to give people
38:35
a product they want and you can make a lot of money off of that.
38:38
Another is to essentially insist that you are bringing value to a company for
38:43
identifying a problem and changing a problem that does not actually exist, and then
38:46
you can get money from the company, or you can get money from the
38:50
government, because that's what a lot of them do too. For example,
38:53
Marvel Comics. I've been in the toilet in terms of sales, right,
38:58
and the people that were in charge you can't remember their names right off the
39:02
bat, but it was women. They're feminist women. They said that they
39:07
don't really care about selling comics, they care about delivering the message. Now,
39:10
how do you make money without selling comics. Well, this is what
39:14
they're doing. They're selling their books to public libraries because if they sell them
39:21
to public libraries. They don't have to sell them to individual people. They
39:24
don't have to sell them on the basis of the quality of their stories.
39:28
They just have to get a library, which is a government funded institution,
39:32
to buy it, and they can get money from the government, which is
39:36
sort of taking money from you and I indirectly. So well, that strategy
39:40
failed. Actually they're still going out of business. The other problem with that
39:45
is, keep in mind, to be perfectly honest, the comics industry has
39:50
always been a way to launder funds from other places. It was you know,
39:54
Marvel Comics who was ran by the mob, stan Lee's dad. Nobody
39:59
wants to talk about it. Stanley's dad was in the mob and he was
40:01
laundering money for them. Yeah, it's always been a method of wandering money.
40:07
It wasn't until the nineties that the comics in general started actually making a
40:12
profit. No no, no, no, no. Seventies and eighties.
40:15
Seventies and eighties. Okay, thank you, thank you for correcting me.
40:19
But with that said, once movie studios started purchasing you know, comics companies
40:27
Marvel by Disney DC, you got About by Warner Brothers, it was the
40:31
same thing basically it was another way for them to launder money. But you
40:37
can only launder money if the rest of your company's making a profit. That's
40:42
not working anymore for any part of the Disney complex. Sure they're falling apart.
40:47
Yes it is, Yes, it's true. I mean I think that
40:50
was the plan. That doesn't mean they're necessarily good at what they do,
40:53
like in terms of like how they're gonna exploit the system. Communism seems to
40:59
follow this path Saturn. If the money runs out, Yeah, the moment
41:01
the Runney the money runs out, people start losing heads and they all turn
41:07
on each other and it burns down. And I was saying back in the
41:10
yachts and even during game or gate, people are saying, well, you
41:15
know, they're eventually going to go out of business. It's like, yeah,
41:17
but this is the house we built, and how much are you going
41:22
to let them burn it down? Seriously? You know the oh comics are
41:27
for everybody? Bullshit, we built this house go to hell, Oh gamings
41:30
for everybody. No, guess what Japanese people and white men made it go
41:35
to hell. You didn't you know this isn't something. Take back comics,
41:39
take back the net. No, ladies, you didn't built the net.
41:43
Go to hell. Seriously, it's not theirs. It never was theirs.
41:46
These were communities that men who weren't popular, men who were you know,
41:52
smart or outcast or different creative, these were communities. These were spaces we
41:59
built for us, and there was occasionally a lady who earned her place into
42:02
that house. And you know what when the feminists showed up, who'd they
42:07
kick out? Okay? Yeah, yeah. I had an entire gaggle of
42:13
feminists come up to me at San Diego Comic Con tell me that if I
42:16
wanted to be taken seriously, I needed to chop my tits off. What
42:21
yeah, to my face, at my booth, at your boobs, Oh,
42:24
at your booth oh yes, and at your boobs. Yeah. Well
42:31
so what were you? Okay? So, like, how did that happen?
42:35
Can you tell me a little bit, Kat about your experience with feminists?
42:37
Why did they hate you so much? They hated me because they came
42:45
up thinking that they were going to make fun of me because I was the
42:46
quote unquote booth girl at our booth at comic Con. And I'm like,
42:52
no, actually, I'm one of the creators. This is before we found
42:54
it zero one Publishing, and they're like, well, you know, we
43:00
can help you get ahead and in life, you know, you need to
43:02
join us. And I'm like, no, I don't need you. I
43:07
very politely just told them I don't need you. I'm doing quite well on
43:09
my own. And then the Queen Bee said, well, you know you're
43:13
not going to get anywhere with those things. You need to chop those off.
43:16
These chicks involved with wom anthology or something like that, they wanted you
43:20
to contribute. Yeah, what's woman theology? It was an anthology with women.
43:24
Oh okay, well, really really thoughtful. I love it when these
43:29
people make up new words. The fact that you hadn't heard about it kind
43:32
of says it at all. Huh, Yeah, no, I never heard.
43:36
You gave it a great review, though, Yeah, gave it a
43:37
great review. Just what we need the Mary Sue So I saw that.
43:44
Okay, So we have all these industries and they're all being essentially like vandalized
43:50
by these people, and there's gonna be burning husks left where they're once was
43:55
something really special. But I think that people are trying to change the culture,
44:00
which is what we're talking about here. They're trying to write their own
44:02
content. They're trying to promote alternatives. Unfortunately, the bar for entry is
44:07
a little different depending on the industry. Like it's not as easy to change
44:12
the video games industry because the budgets are so much bigger, or the film
44:15
industry, But when it comes to books and comics, for example, I
44:21
think there is a lot more like I guess, of a lot lower of
44:25
an entrance, you know, limit that makes sense. So I saw that
44:30
you guys made a video talking about pulp and or at least you did a
44:37
little show on a stream about it, and I think that a pulp resurgence.
44:43
I feel like it's there, that there's going to be a resurgence and
44:45
pulp style content. I think it's something that people really want already here.
44:51
It's already here. Okay, So tell us a little bit about that,
44:53
and maybe if one of you guys could for the audience in case he don't
44:58
know what I mean when I say pulp stories. Pulp came out of tradition
45:04
in the twenties, thirties, and forties, although you can date it back
45:07
to the late eighteen hundreds. They were called pulp because they were printed on
45:12
very very cheap news pulp. But they were weekly at that point, monthly
45:16
and weekly publications that were printing ongoing stories. They were meant strictly to entertain.
45:25
It's where we get a lot of our classic characters, Conan being the
45:30
most famous of them. I think Conan, Flash Gordon, Buck Rogers,
45:34
John Carter of Mars. Oh yeah, exactly. And none of this stuff
45:38
was written to be classics. They were written to please and entertain, especially
45:43
during the depression and then the war years. And what they offered was escapism,
45:51
heroism, high adventure. Men were men, women were beautiful, you
45:54
know. The bad guys were bad. It was the stuff that the original
45:59
Star Wars words was made of. Really, it was actually George Lucas said
46:04
that he was basing it on the old pulse and originally he was going to
46:07
be Flash Gordon, but he had trouble with the rights, so he came
46:10
up with his own thing. And yeah, you will get a history of
46:15
the Pulps in Boobs and Steal, by the way, because I do cover
46:19
in depth. The thing about Hults is it's already back. There's a thing
46:23
called pulp rev as in Revolution, and you've got authors like Jason Annsbach,
46:30
Nick Cole, Rolts, Bloodthorne, John Z Williamson on the list. Yeah,
46:37
declin declin Finn, declan finn, how everyone pronounced it. There are
46:42
all these different writers. They're just not getting any attention. You know.
46:45
There's a website called upstream Reviews dot com that does nothing but review these kinds
46:52
of books, and there's been quite an explosion, but they're not giving much
46:58
coverage because oh, well, those are conservative people, those are libertarians.
47:04
Yeah, of course, of course, and they're hated and despised. So
47:09
there's the pulp scene is exploding. Their magazines like Rakova or Circova, depending
47:15
on you pronounce it. There's Anvil magazine, There's story Hack, there are
47:21
there. It's really a happening scene. It's just not getting the attention it
47:25
should. And well, William William's books, Willam William Hastings books are really
47:34
good. But yeah, there is no shortage of good pulp material coming out.
47:40
It's just not getting the coverage, right of course, not of course,
47:45
not because like you said, it's it's like not approved by the powers
47:49
that be and most likely the people who make a lot of like content critical
47:53
of you know, sort of fighting the culture war are not aware of this,
47:58
and so they're not mentioning it, or they're trying to create and promote
48:00
their own thing. Here's the thing about pulp, and this is sorry,
48:05
I'm probably going to hurt a lot of people's hero worship. But in the
48:10
fifties and sixties Isaac asked him off, Arthur C. Clarke, a whole
48:21
bunch of the New York commies, that we're writing for the same pulp magazines.
48:28
Once sci fi started getting an air of legitimacy, they did everything they
48:31
could to make sure that pulp disappeared. They didn't want any of the pulp
48:37
writers involved. They wanted it to be part of their vision of creating a
48:43
socialist, technocratic future. And they were called the futurians. Oh yeah,
48:47
sure, and oh you know about them? Okay, yeah, no,
48:52
I'm not surprised by this at all either. And for years they waged kind
48:57
of a behind the scenes battle with publishers to get rid of the pulps and
49:01
adventurism, and it was pretty bad. I mean it got to one point
49:08
in which I know that hide line, which was probably more popular than either
49:13
than oh yeah, heinelin the guy who wrote Starship Troopers, right, like
49:16
the hyper libertarian meritocratic society. Yeah, Clark was had had talked some major
49:27
shit about Hineline and then would never be in the room with him ever again
49:30
because he's afraid he was getting his ass kick. Yeah, I remember.
49:35
That's like when speaking of Starship Troopers, when Paul Verehoven made the movie,
49:40
he thought that what he was presenting was a fascist like world, and that's
49:45
why he put them in like these kind of fashy outfits. But when you
49:49
watch it and pay attention to what's happening, he didn't. He didn't know
49:53
what he was actually putting out there was kind of fantastic and fashionable. Yeah,
49:59
well, well, you know the thing is as Starship Troopers by Heinlan
50:01
and Moon is a harsh Mistress, I would say should be required reading for
50:07
any high school student. Those are life changing books, they really are,
50:12
and they're well written. But yeah, Pulp is definitely on the way back.
50:17
Comics is a bit fuzzier. I mean, comics is making a comeback
50:22
in the indie scene. Yeah, but it's a bit of a mess if
50:24
you know about comic skate. I mean, we're doing a lot of good,
50:29
but organizational skills not so good. There's a lot of infighting and drama.
50:35
I'm yeah, I'm aware. Yeah, I was very involved with Comic
50:37
Skate, but the infighting, I said, you know what, I'm just
50:40
going to step back. I you know, as I said, I was
50:44
a comics creator before I wrote Groups of Steel. As I said, Case
50:46
File Arkham, I did Titanium Rain. I've got an audio drama called Titanium
50:52
Rain on audible. World War High jew Utopia's there's a bunch of stuff I
50:59
did anyway. No, there's a comics will sort of tips itself out.
51:05
I'm sure of it. It's just somebody's got to get their act together and
51:09
really just take the plunge and make a publishing company. Yeah. Well,
51:14
the cream will rise to the cop to the top. Like Andy Randy Savage
51:19
said once, so Love you asked about gaming. Yes, uh, I
51:25
can say that In Exile Entertainment's doing a damn good job, but we need
51:30
more companies like them. And in Exile were the creators of the original way
51:36
they were electronic arts. I think they were originally electronic arts back in the
51:39
eighties, like all okay, like the road Rash days. Yeah, Bart's
51:45
Tail and Waste Yeah, Wasteland, and they got too big. Corporate America
51:52
bought them out and now they're an awful company. And the original founder said,
51:57
forget this, We'll go to We're not going to let that happen again
51:59
in the next Stile Entertainment, and they've got a new Bard's Tale and Fallout
52:06
not fall Out. Wasteland two and three were yeah, yeah, Wasteland.
52:09
I heard those are really good. I wanted to ask about this because I'm
52:16
actually really interested in this story about how comics were a laundering operation. Is
52:22
that in your book Boobs a Steal two? Or is that it doesn't really
52:28
have anything to do with the book. Yeah, so I didn't really put
52:30
it in there. Okay. One of my hobbies is researching organized crime,
52:37
and it came up in a lot of my books that comics was away for
52:43
the mafia to launder money. Wow, maybe there's because people are gonna ask
52:49
about this, They're gonna want to look into it. Should I just go
52:52
to your your Let me see, I got your website here, like a
52:55
blog night editor maybe, or your Instagram or something. I don't know.
53:02
Is there like a place where pop who can go to look at this stuff.
53:07
The YouTube is probably the best place because that's where we talk a lot
53:10
otherwise. Our publishing company is zero one Publishing dot com. Okay, I
53:16
have a link to that in the description already, so go check it out.
53:22
Yeah, if you guys, Yeah, we gotta we gotta wrap the
53:27
show up here in a second, and we'll go into the Patron show and
53:30
talk to the patrons. If you guys can stay, if you can't,
53:30
it's okay. I'll hang out with them either way. Okay, so I
53:37
get I didn't get any super chows or super chats. That's okay. I'll
53:42
read a couple of comments that sort of jump out at me right away.
53:45
Derek Workman says night Wing was also sexualized. Yeah, but it's okay to
53:49
do that to men. Already already explained that we need, and Derek Workman
53:54
says, we need to bring t T RPG's back. Well, actually,
53:58
there is a guy I've had on the show named RPG Pundit who specifically promotes
54:02
alternative alternatives to tabletop role playing games like Dungeons and Dragons because D and D
54:07
is completely like captured, because obviously it is, because it's the most mainstream
54:13
tabletop. Now all those old books are still available. Guys. Yeah,
54:15
well I have a whole I have a whole. That whole bookshelf is old
54:20
books. But if you don't want to give them your money full stop,
54:23
then yeah, like there are there is a great thing called the OSR and
54:29
the people that create their own content, they use the old system as a
54:32
base. But it's not giving money to Wizards or Hasbro because they're absolutely toxic.
54:38
So in cancerous. Let's see what else if anybody has, Jim Bottle
54:45
says, what about Robert Howard? You mean Robert E. Howard? I
54:47
think that he has, the creator of Conan. And what's the other one?
54:52
The witch Hunter guy? Yes, Solomon Kane. Yes, great movie
54:58
by the way. Yeah, me and Lovecraft were very good friends and they'd
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swap characters. Yeah yeah, Lovecraft's great too, So you can definitely check
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those out. I got a super chow. Thank you for the super chow,
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Zaranks, that was interesting. The giggle. Yeah, whenever I get
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a super child play the giggling badger. Chan Zarrenk says, for five dollars,
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I think the issue is more of time than budget. Games and movies
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take years to make I think the way these industries work is when they released
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the one project, they're already in the middle of developing the next. Thank
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you for the five dollars, and Loquacious Primate gives us two dollars a super
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chat and says Ishi and Kat are cool and you should buy his books.
55:43
I will definitely check out Boobs of Steel. And I'm pretty sure this person
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works for you. Guys, I'm getting I think Loquacious Primate's been on our
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chat before. I will definitely check out my books. I am going to
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repeat. Please check out case File Arkham one and two, Lovecraft in Noir,
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hard boiled Detective in the nineteen forties. In lovecrafts Arkham sounds perfect.
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How do you like? Why? Why are you able to make this content
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like? Is like the lovecrafting world? Is it like? Is it like
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a royalty free at this point? Is that why it's public domain? All
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those years that August Will Durlith claim to own it, he us lying it's
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gatekeeping, which is something that we should do. So yeah, definitely gate
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keep your hobbies. Guys, We're gonna head into the patron show. Stick
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around if you're able to, and for those of you guys who have paid
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the you know that our members join us in the Patriot Show. We're gonna
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head out right now. Thank you Ishi, thank you Kat so much for
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coming on. And I guess, like, is it I put all your
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links in the description, but if they want to follow you, here's what
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I have. I have both your Twitter accounts, I have the Night Editor
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link tree for cats, have your YouTube channel, and I think that's it.
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So but the link tree has all the other places on it. Yeah,
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so all right, So thank you so much for coming on today's episode
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