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Speaker 1: Peedo Kranland Live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the show. Great to have your company.
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Speaker 2: Here's what's coming up tonight on Kredline. Nothing to see
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Speaker 2: here isys Anthony Albertezi as his favorability hits are low,
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Speaker 2: on par with Scott Morrison as he headed into the
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Speaker 2: twenty two election. At the same time, another high profile
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Speaker 2: departure from the Prime Minister's office, all spelling a bit
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Speaker 2: of trouble for the PM. Anger grows as one Victorian
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Speaker 2: community has yet again been blindsided by the proposal to
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Speaker 2: build a giant battery farm in the middle of the
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Speaker 2: fire zone. I'll speak with one local who's build a
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Speaker 2: cat on this as her story becomes commonplace across many
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Speaker 2: of our regions. Big news out of New South Wales
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Speaker 2: just in this afternoon the Federal Liberal Party taking over
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Speaker 2: the New South Wales branch. After that shocking council nominations fiasco.
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Speaker 2: More on that with a clannel plus. No surprises here
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Speaker 2: but confirmation today. More than three hundred Palestidians have claimed
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Speaker 2: a silent in just the last two months. Make it
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Speaker 2: seven hundred and forty nine all up so far. Wanting
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Speaker 2: to stay permanently in Australia. And this all comes at
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Speaker 2: the same time as the ADEO boss, Mike Burgess, attempts
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Speaker 2: to clarify his remarks around Palestinian visas. The earnest now
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Speaker 2: back on the government to explain how anyone with sympathy
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Speaker 2: for her musk would pass a character tis.
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Speaker 3: This is always much more, frankly about the character provisions
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Speaker 3: of the Migration Act, which are not administered by ASIO,
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Speaker 3: that it ever was about security assessments, and it's up
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Speaker 3: to the government to say which the Prime Minister has
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Speaker 3: been unable to that supporting a terrorist organization violates the
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Speaker 3: character provisions of the Migration Act.
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Speaker 2: But first, when government hides behind official advice, it never
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Speaker 2: ends well because while officials might be knowledgeable, they can't
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Speaker 2: and shouldn't set government policy, nor should they ever be
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Speaker 2: used as the fall guy. And we saw what happened
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Speaker 2: when people we elected hid behind officials during COVID, and
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Speaker 2: I saw its firsthand in government. I saw the difference
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Speaker 2: between politicians who make decisions and officials who merely provide
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Speaker 2: advice and then implement what others have decided. When we
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Speaker 2: had finally stopped the flow of illegal votes into Australia.
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Speaker 2: The then Prime Minister Tony Abbott thanked everyone for their
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Speaker 2: hard work during a meeting of the National Security Committee
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Speaker 2: of Cabinet. It was in the room, all the officials,
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Speaker 2: the military and the ministers that he thanked. Now, as
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Speaker 2: I walked out of the door, I said to Abbot, Jesus, remarkable,
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Speaker 2: isn't it. All those officials in that room that you
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Speaker 2: just congratulated for stopping the boats are all the very
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Speaker 2: same officials who a year ago under labor couldn't stop them.
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Speaker 2: It shows, I say, just what a difference a change
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Speaker 2: of government can make. The Prime Minister said to me,
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Speaker 2: it's also about resolve, Peter. I was never going to
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Speaker 2: rest until the boats were stopped, and it didn't matter
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Speaker 2: what obstacle was going to get thrown in my way,
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Speaker 2: and let me tell you there were plenty. In the end,
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Speaker 2: we elect leaders to lead, and yes, good official advice helps,
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Speaker 2: but it's the conviction and the will of the elected
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Speaker 2: government that ultimately determines policy. That's why the Albanezy government's
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Speaker 2: use of ASIO boss Mike Burgess's is some kind of
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Speaker 2: human shield on this issue of visus for Garzens has
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Speaker 2: been frankly so pathetic burgess. You'll recall, once the media
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Speaker 2: had uncovered the fact that thousands of tourists visas had
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Speaker 2: been issued to Gazans, set in a television interview that
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Speaker 2: Hamas sympathizers would be okay to come to a Australia.
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Speaker 4: If they've expressed any support sympathy for Hamas.
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Speaker 5: Is that a problem depends on the what that looks like.
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Speaker 5: If they're supportive because they want their homeland. If they're
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Speaker 5: giving financial support or material aid, that can be a problem.
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Speaker 5: And obviously we take each case on its merits and
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Speaker 5: context of the information we have before us. But if
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Speaker 5: it's just rhetorical support, if it's just rhetorical re support
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Speaker 5: and they don't have an ideology or support for a
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Speaker 5: violent stream as an ideology, then that's not a problem.
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Speaker 5: If they have a support for that idergy, that will
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Speaker 5: be a problem.
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Speaker 2: Now, the ASIO boss has never struck me as someone
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Speaker 2: who would freelance on policy, So here listening to that,
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Speaker 2: I believe he was enunciating the government's policy, a policy
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Speaker 2: that we've since learned was to get as many Palestinians
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Speaker 2: out of Gaza as quickly as possible, using the fastest
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Speaker 2: visa category they could, and not even to make a
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Speaker 2: formal announcement about it. Less inevitable questions can about security checks.
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Speaker 2: Here's the Labor frontbencher Ed Husick admitting as much.
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Speaker 6: Why visit a visas though because they're faster the process
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Speaker 6: refugee visas take longer, and given what's happening right now
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Speaker 6: and the dangers presented, the view was to try and
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Speaker 6: get people out as quickly as you can.
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Speaker 2: But the real giveaway in all of this was the
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Speaker 2: fact that for weeks now the government has used Burgess's
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Speaker 2: statement to justify the bizarre position that there's nothing wrong
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Speaker 2: with bringing to Australia rhetorical supporters of a listed terror
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Speaker 2: body Now Time and time again in the Parliament, the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister was pushed on this very point.
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Speaker 7: Does supporting a listed terrorist organization like AMAS pass Austrai's
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Speaker 7: character test?
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Speaker 8: Has any agency expressed any concern about any individual who
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Speaker 8: has arrived in the Gaza war zone Since October seventh?
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Speaker 7: How many of the twoy nine hundred visas from Gaza
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Speaker 7: have been canceled?
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Speaker 2: And while security is one consideration and issuing a visa
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Speaker 2: to come to Australia, The other consideration is character. I mean,
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Speaker 2: does the applicant pass the character test even if they
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Speaker 2: pass uster on security. Now, twice he was asked this
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Speaker 2: very simple question, and twice the Prime Minister hid it
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Speaker 2: behind bladder.
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Speaker 6: Prime Minister does supporting Hamas past the character test fro
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Speaker 6: an Australian visa.
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Speaker 8: Prime Minister does supporting Hamas past the character test for
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Speaker 8: an Australian visa.
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Speaker 9: Everyone who applies for an Australian visa is subject to
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Speaker 9: the same security standard set by the same agencies and
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Speaker 9: the same personnel as under the former government, and our
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Speaker 9: intelligence agencies make those decisions. Our intelligence agencies have the
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Speaker 9: confidence of this side of that.
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Speaker 2: For over three weeks the government has bled on this issue.
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Speaker 2: Not one minister said Burgess was wrong or out of line.
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Speaker 2: He wasn't rebuked, he wasn't stood down, he wasn't even corrected.
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Speaker 2: And in the way these things work, that confirms to
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Speaker 2: every insider like me that Burgess was following the government's
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Speaker 2: line on Gaza. Get them in here fast, don't ask
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Speaker 2: too many questions, and once here we all know they'll
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Speaker 2: make a bid to stay as refugees, to stay here permanently.
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Speaker 2: So We'll worry about the security risks later. The whole
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Speaker 2: mess has blown up in the government's face. They're being
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Speaker 2: hammered about it daily, and they've taken further hits in
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Speaker 2: the polls, meaning they needed to recant, change position and fast.
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Speaker 2: So guess what the AZIO boss was pushed out again today.
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Speaker 2: Now Burgess is telling the ABC that Hama's support is
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Speaker 2: not well, sort of saying in an interview that will
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Speaker 2: air on the ABC later tonight, and I quote that
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Speaker 2: people have chosen to distort what I said. If you
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Speaker 2: think terrorism is okay, if you think the destruction of
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Speaker 2: the state of Israel is okay, if you think harm
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Speaker 2: us and what they did on October seven, of October
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Speaker 2: seven is okay, I can tell you that it's not
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Speaker 2: okay and that from an ASIO security assessment point of view,
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Speaker 2: you will not pass muster Burgess says. The ABAC also
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Speaker 2: reports a Burgess said that ASIO would look at someone's
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Speaker 2: social media activity and I quote, we will look at
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Speaker 2: everything available to us, says Burgess. Is it a one
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Speaker 2: off comment. Is it a tweet that actually or or
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Speaker 2: reinforces something, or liking of a tweet that says that
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Speaker 2: seven October was acceptable. Well, that's going to be a
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Speaker 2: problem for that person, says the AZO boss. But hang on,
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Speaker 2: are you're telling me that ASIO makes its security assessment
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Speaker 2: on the basis of what people put on their social media.
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Speaker 2: That you can be a humas operative, but as long
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Speaker 2: as you don't post that publicly, you're okay to come
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Speaker 2: to Australia. First, given that it's a terror CON's or
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Speaker 2: old war zone, no one should be coming to Australia
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Speaker 2: from Gaza unless we are confident that they are people
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Speaker 2: who support our democratic values. And we can't know that
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Speaker 2: without an in depth, in person interview and without the
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Speaker 2: ability to do that, and we can't. No one from
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Speaker 2: Gaza should be coming here, not one person. And if
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Speaker 2: the Egyptians and your Jordanians are of that view, they
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Speaker 2: are the Muslim neighbors of course of Gaza. That they
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Speaker 2: won't take a single person because they are worried about terrorism.
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Speaker 2: Why should we? But second, why on Earth is it
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Speaker 2: being let to the ASIO boss yet again to make
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Speaker 2: these sorts of the net anouncements. When John Howard said
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Speaker 2: we will determine who comes to this country in circumstances
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Speaker 2: under which they come, he didn't mean the Azo boss
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Speaker 2: or the head of the Navy. He meant the government,
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Speaker 2: the elected and accountable government, in a proper, transparent way,
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Speaker 2: using cabinet processes and with a press conference subject to
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Speaker 2: media scrutiny. This whole Gaza intake has been a debicle
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Speaker 2: from the beginning. No sensible Australian government would want to
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Speaker 2: bring in people from a terrorist controlled war zone without
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Speaker 2: first being absolutely certain they weren't importing trouble. When the
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Speaker 2: Avid government announced it would take in twelve thousand refugees
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Speaker 2: from the Syrian war zone in twenty fifteen, it was
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Speaker 2: specified that they would be members of quote persecuted minorities,
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Speaker 2: mostly Christians, and none of them came to Australia without
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Speaker 2: an interview by our officials, biometric testing and security vetting. Now,
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Speaker 2: in the case of this visa for vote scandal, there's
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Speaker 2: been no formal cabinet process that we're aware of, Certainly
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Speaker 2: no caucus discussion. There's not been even to this day
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Speaker 2: ever a formal statement of the government's plan. Certainly no
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Speaker 2: formal press conference by the Prime Minister then or now. Indeed,
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Speaker 2: it's likely that the government never actually sought any formal
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Speaker 2: security advice, given that this whole mess seems to have
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Speaker 2: been cooked up by the Prime Minister and is then
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Speaker 2: Immigration Minister Andrew Giles in a desperate bid to appease
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Speaker 2: the Muslim lobby in Western Sydney, and Labour now has
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Speaker 2: since tried to use Burgess to make it all legit
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Speaker 2: because he was first appointed to his as O role
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Speaker 2: by the coalition. Get Burgess to say, Humma sympathizes, aren't
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Speaker 2: a security risk per se, Labour staffs would have said,
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Speaker 2: and then you'll wedge the Limbs because there'll be hard
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Speaker 2: for them to argue against Burgess given he was their appointment.
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Speaker 2: Now today quite rightly, Peter Dutton demanded that the PEM
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Speaker 2: apologize to the ASO boss for making him the fall
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Speaker 2: guy for a bad government.
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Speaker 7: And I think the Prime Minister by misleading the Parliament
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Speaker 7: about Azio's role in all of this, suggesting that Asio
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Speaker 7: had checked each of these individuals, which they haven't, I
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Speaker 7: think he's put mister Burgess in a difficult position. I
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Speaker 7: think frankly the Prime Minister should be apologizing to the
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Speaker 7: ASO boss.
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Speaker 2: Later in Perth, the Prime Minister said that he hadn't
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Speaker 2: undermined the AZO chief.
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Speaker 9: Mike Burgess is a big boy. He can speak for himself,
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Speaker 9: and he has and he has, and his comments are
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Speaker 9: there for all to see.
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Speaker 2: And that's a problem, isn't it. We don't have a
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Speaker 2: big boy who speaks for himself on national security instead
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Speaker 2: on the absolutely vital question of who we allow to
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Speaker 2: come to this country. The Prime Minister has effectively left
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Speaker 2: the ASIO boss as the government's sole spokesman. Three weeks on,
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanesi himself still won't say whether it's acceptable or
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Speaker 2: not for Hama sympathizers to come to Australia, presumably because
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Speaker 2: he feels beholden to Islamists in vital seats. And this
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Speaker 2: is no way to run a government. It's weak, it's
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Speaker 2: cowardly and it's certainly unbecoming of a national leader. Let's
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Speaker 2: go to Camber now for the headlines. Sky News political
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Speaker 2: reporter Trudy Macintosh.
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Speaker 10: Security vetting for Garza visas back in the spotlight. The
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Speaker 10: Opposition leader demands the Prime ministerologized to Asio.
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Speaker 7: The Prime Minister should be apologizing to the ASIO boss
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Speaker 7: for what they've put in place, which has made Asio's
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Speaker 7: job much harder.
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Speaker 9: I haven't undermined, he's authority. The only person who's been
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Speaker 9: critical of the AZIO director general is Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 10: Mike Burgess now confirms liking a social media post about
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Speaker 10: October seven, or being supportive of for Mass would be
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Speaker 10: a barrier to getting a visa. The spy Boss says
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Speaker 10: his previous remarks about rhetorical support had been misrepresented.
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Speaker 9: Mike Burgess as a big boy. He can speak for
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Speaker 9: himself and he has.
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Speaker 10: Anthony Albinezi is still campaigning in the West today announcing
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Speaker 10: a school funding deal. Meanwhile, Peter Dutton was in the
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Speaker 10: Victorian seat of Aston. Labour won it at last year's
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Speaker 10: by election after the resignation of Liberal Alan Touche. A
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Speaker 10: High Court challenges on the cards into the government's crackdown
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Speaker 10: on the CFMU. Last month, the construction branch of the
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Speaker 10: union was placed into administration following allegations of corruption. Disgruntled
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Speaker 10: union officials want that overturned.
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Speaker 7: It's our belief that these laws are unconstitutional, they're undemocratic,
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Speaker 7: and they're definitely on.
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Speaker 9: Australian surprise surprise. We will stand by our position and
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Speaker 9: the government's position will be defended.
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Speaker 10: Trudy McIntosh Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: All right, join me now. Sky is Political editor Andrew Cleanell.
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Speaker 2: It has been a busy afternoon, late breaking news Andrew.
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Speaker 2: The New South Wales branch of the Liberal Party will
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Speaker 2: be taken over. This is official by the federal executive
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Speaker 2: for a period of ten months. Unprecedented, Andrew, what can
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Speaker 2: you tell us.
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Speaker 4: Well, we revealed this this afternoon and Peter Dutton's taken control.
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Speaker 4: That's what I can tell you. Don Harwin and his
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Speaker 4: executive are sacked in New South Wales and ten month administration.
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Speaker 4: That's no coincidence is that we have to have a
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Speaker 4: federal election within the next ten months. So Peter Dutton
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Speaker 4: is making sure that the New South Wales Liberal Party
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Speaker 4: can't stuff him up the way they're accused of stuffing
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Speaker 4: Scott Morrison up with late candidates, elections and the like.
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Speaker 4: And he's appointed three former politicians in Richard Olston, all
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Speaker 4: In Stockdale and Rob Stokes to take over the party.
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Speaker 4: Of course, this won't be taken all that well by
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Speaker 4: some in the moderate faction who will see it as
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Speaker 4: the right taking on the moderates. But really that executive
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Speaker 4: and that party organization brought it upon themselves with the
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Speaker 4: way they completely mishandled couldn't even nominate the candidates for.
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Speaker 1: Local government elections.
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Speaker 4: What hope have you got running a federal election campaign
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Speaker 4: If you are doing that.
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Speaker 1: It has an.
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Speaker 4: Interesting parallel I think when you consider Albaneasi and his
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Speaker 4: federal executive took over the Victorian branch at the Labor
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Speaker 4: Party before the last election, and of course they had
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Speaker 4: a pretty good result in Victoria. So sometimes you just
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Speaker 4: got to take charge. And Peter Dutton showed after a
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Speaker 4: report by your husband, Peter Brian lockname, which showed serious
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Speaker 4: deficiencies in that process of Brian Lockman, of course a
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Speaker 4: former federal director himself and an experienced and respected one,
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Speaker 4: and he found that the News soph Iles Liberal officer
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Speaker 4: was a scathing report that they did a terrible.
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Speaker 1: Job in terms of those local government elections.
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Speaker 2: And I'll make the point too. His report was and
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Speaker 2: I haven't seen the report, I haven't discussed the report,
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Speaker 2: but his report was into preparedness for the federal campaign.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't into the broader issues of calls for substantial
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Speaker 2: reform of the new South Wales Division. I think that's
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Speaker 2: probably now going to come. Obviously, you mentioned the Labor
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Speaker 2: Party in Victoria. A lot of people have missed it.
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Speaker 2: I know you've picked it up. I certainly have that.
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Speaker 2: It was only a couple of weeks ago that the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister, via the Federal Executive of Labor has taken
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Speaker 2: over the current round of pre selections in Victoria in
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Speaker 2: the Labor Party. So that is continuing. I think both
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Speaker 2: of them don't want to die wondering and leave it
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Speaker 2: to divisions where they've got serious concerns about competency to
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Speaker 2: carry the can into the election.
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Speaker 4: Well we're in the final quarter now, aren't we. So yeah,
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Speaker 4: I mean, you don't want a silly pre selection battle
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Speaker 4: ruining a chance of being Prime minister or staying prime minister.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's go to gambling, big news today. I
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Speaker 2: know you ran that out this morning. Bans across the
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Speaker 2: board again. What can you tell us here.
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Speaker 4: Well, online gaming bans in terms of online advertising pretty
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Speaker 4: immediately if this package gets through cabinet, which I expected to,
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Speaker 4: and in terms of TV ads it'll be two years.
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Speaker 4: Just I imagine the financial years starting in one year
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Speaker 4: and nine months time, because I was told just under
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Speaker 4: two years when a partial ban would take effect. And
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Speaker 4: what the government's looking at here is not ending TV
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Speaker 4: ads for gambling organizations entirely, but trying to end the
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Speaker 4: saturation of ads. You've seen how crazy it is how
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Speaker 4: many ads there are, trying to end it being dominating
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Speaker 4: sporting matches and sporting match coverage and also avoiding trying
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Speaker 4: to avoid children seeing it. Now, this is why, of
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Speaker 4: course the online ad bands pretty important, because there's a
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Speaker 4: lot more teenagers looking at online stuff on their phone
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Speaker 4: then are looking at TV these days, so that's why
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Speaker 4: that's seen as one you go harder on and quicker on.
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Speaker 4: There are contractual arrangements between the sporting codes and the
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Speaker 4: channels and the bookmakers which end in around just under
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Speaker 4: that two years time, and I think it's just to
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Speaker 4: unpick that. The government's thinking, yeah, let's give it that
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Speaker 4: little bit of leeway before we introduce the band, obviously,
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Speaker 4: particularly the stuff around sporting matches. Peter Dutton's called for
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Speaker 4: that initially. The government's taken it on board board. They've
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Speaker 4: done some other worthwhile reforms. I think these will be
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Speaker 4: pretty popular to be frank as been the ones where
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Speaker 4: they stop people using credit cards on online accounts and that.
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Speaker 1: Sort of thing.
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Speaker 4: So they're making an effort it's kind of got. You know,
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Speaker 4: we all believe in freedom to gamble, and you know
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Speaker 4: I love a pun on a horse race. I suspect
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Speaker 4: you do as well, Peter. But we don't want to
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Speaker 4: see kids.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. We don't want to.
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Speaker 4: See war to wall adds all the time and kids
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Speaker 4: live by it, you know, kids said, has completely.
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Speaker 2: Agree with this. I want to ask you about the
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Speaker 2: newspat results yesterday, but particularly the personal ratings of the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister visiting where Scott Morrison was going into the
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Speaker 2: last election. They're both now at net thirteen negative territory. Now,
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Speaker 2: this is the first term prime minister. He hasn't had
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Speaker 2: a six scandal and all the stuff obviously that dogged Morrison,
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Speaker 2: and Morrison was at the end of almost a decade
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Speaker 2: of coalition government. Anthony Albanezi as at the start of
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Speaker 2: a labor period in office. He says he's not concerned.
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Speaker 2: Would you be concerned?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he'll be concerned. He's just you know, he has
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Speaker 4: to say that, doesn't he. But I will say this.
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Speaker 4: Morrison was behind on two PP forty five fifty five
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Speaker 4: and it's fifty to fifty in the polls at the moment,
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Speaker 4: so that is the number that really matters. Having said that,
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Speaker 4: those are terrible numbers. I do think since John Howard
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Speaker 4: every two or three years people just go off the
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Speaker 4: national leader, that means you've seen it right, So that's
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Speaker 4: what happens. And I think about the time John Howard
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Speaker 4: left offices when we saw these reality TV shows come
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Speaker 4: along where people get voted off the island. So the
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Speaker 4: problem with being a national leader at the moment, Peter
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Speaker 4: is sooner or later you don't get you do get
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Speaker 4: voted off the island, which is an argument actually not
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Speaker 4: to just occupy the crease, to be a bit brave
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Speaker 4: in your political decisions. I know it's a bit harder
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Speaker 4: because he doesn't have the margin. John Howard had ninety
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Speaker 4: six for example, But I do think it's time for
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Speaker 4: our easy to take a few risks and be a
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Speaker 4: bit brave, because you shouldn't die wondering in those jobs,
22:06
Speaker 4: and eventually, metaphorically speaking, you are going to die in
22:10
Speaker 4: those jobs.
22:13
Speaker 2: Just quickly. I mean we discussed this last night, the
22:16
Speaker 2: turnover in the Prime Minister's office. He's lost another press sick.
22:19
Speaker 2: I think that makes it three media directors in not
22:22
Speaker 2: even one term. I got to wonder though. I read
22:26
Speaker 2: another report today too that he has apparently been given
22:29
Speaker 2: the tick off to hold his wedding and or wedding
22:33
Speaker 2: reception at either the Lodge or Kurabilly House if he's
22:37
Speaker 2: still in office. That's a shocking look if that's really
22:40
Speaker 2: what he's planning to do, isn't it.
22:42
Speaker 1: Andrew Ye, I was surprised by that.
22:44
Speaker 4: I wouldn't recommend that if I was his new media
22:47
Speaker 4: director of people. Why that's not going to go down
22:51
Speaker 4: well at all. I can't actually believe that's true. I mean,
22:54
Speaker 4: you can't do that, can you. I mean, I guess
22:56
Speaker 4: you can do anything if you as long as it's
22:59
Speaker 4: within the law. But that seems rather foolhardy. Well, let's
23:04
Speaker 4: see what happens. I mean, he's got to win an
23:06
Speaker 4: election first. That's a point, because they made clear there's
23:10
Speaker 4: no winning before the election. Brett Mason, I think he's
23:13
Speaker 4: been all right in that job.
23:14
Speaker 1: I wish him well.
23:15
Speaker 4: I know these officers have a fair degree of turnover.
23:20
Speaker 4: And yeah, he had Matthew Franklin I think before the election,
23:23
Speaker 4: Lists Fitch and now Brett Mason. Brett has been working
23:26
Speaker 4: for government and opposition for some time. But they're tough jobs,
23:31
Speaker 4: you know that, they take a lot out of job.
23:33
Speaker 2: Mate, he's got a public service job.
23:35
Speaker 4: A sweet defact job.
23:36
Speaker 2: Why not it's political? Yeah yeah, yeah, well is as
23:40
Speaker 2: political as anything. What the hell is he doing in
23:42
Speaker 2: the public service. I'll leave that for another day, Andrew Clodell,
23:45
Speaker 2: thank you.
23:46
Speaker 11: Now.
23:46
Speaker 2: Look, it's been a busy day in court. It would
23:48
Speaker 2: see him on two high profile legal matters, one involving
23:51
Speaker 2: former Liberal MP, a former Liberal MP, and of course
23:54
Speaker 2: another a former Liberal staff for Britney Higgins who's being
23:57
Speaker 2: sued for defamation by her former boss, editor Linda Reynolds.
24:01
Speaker 2: Let's start with the Deeming case, where the MP suing
24:05
Speaker 2: Victorian Opposition leader Liberal John Perzzuto for defamation over her
24:10
Speaker 2: expulsion from the Liberal party room and claims she was
24:14
Speaker 2: linked to neo Nazis who gate crashed a rally last
24:18
Speaker 2: year on the steps of Parliament House that was meant
24:21
Speaker 2: to be a show of support for women and girls
24:23
Speaker 2: and their right to single sex spaces. Today of the
24:27
Speaker 2: Federal Court, Perzuto's barrister, Matt Collins KC set of communications
24:33
Speaker 2: that have been handed over to them in the discovery
24:36
Speaker 2: process that these Communications showed a night quote quite an
24:41
Speaker 2: extraordinary degree of engagement between Missus Demi and journalists from
24:45
Speaker 2: all media outlets, including a time seeking and following advice
24:49
Speaker 2: from journalists about how to maximize the damage she could
24:53
Speaker 2: inflict on mister Perzuto. Among the seven or raight journalists
24:57
Speaker 2: mentioned was me surprised you've heard me say before. I
25:02
Speaker 2: strongly support the issue of women and girls, and I
25:05
Speaker 2: have long defended Moira from attacks inside her own party room.
25:10
Speaker 2: But I've never said anything privately to Moira Deeming that
25:14
Speaker 2: I haven't said publicly here on this program or in
25:17
Speaker 2: print in my columns. Throughout this whole sordid affair, I've
25:23
Speaker 2: tried to urge John Pezuto to settle the case and
25:26
Speaker 2: avoid damaging the Liberal Party. I've even had meetings with
25:30
Speaker 2: the Liberal Party state president to help bring all of
25:33
Speaker 2: this about. Even on the weekend of the rally last year,
25:37
Speaker 2: I contacted Perzuto's office and I told them that cool
25:42
Speaker 2: heads should prevail. But Perzuto, well, he's as obstinate as
25:47
Speaker 2: he is wrong, because all Moira did was defend the
25:51
Speaker 2: rights of women and girl to spaces of our own. Now,
25:55
Speaker 2: who on earth can't support that let alone anyone who
25:58
Speaker 2: wants to call themselves a liberal leader. Believe me, I
26:03
Speaker 2: know exactly where ordinary liberals stand on this issue, and
26:08
Speaker 2: it's not with John Pezuto. The other court matter today
26:13
Speaker 2: related to to the defamation case involving Linda Reynolds, as
26:17
Speaker 2: I said, and Britney Higgins. Now, not long after the
26:20
Speaker 2: Higgins story broke, within a couple of days, certainly in
26:23
Speaker 2: the first week, contacts of Higgins reached out to me.
26:27
Speaker 2: As a former Liberal chief of staff and a woman.
26:31
Speaker 2: I was asked by them if I would take a
26:33
Speaker 2: call from Brittney Higgins, which I did, and in it
26:36
Speaker 2: she asked me if I would help her draft the
26:38
Speaker 2: terms of reference for a review into the treatment of
26:42
Speaker 2: female staff in federal politics. I said to her that
26:46
Speaker 2: I would. I said, after sixteen years as a staff
26:49
Speaker 2: and myself, I believe reform was needed. And I then
26:53
Speaker 2: did two things with her permission. I called the then
26:57
Speaker 2: Prime Minister Scott Morrison's office to tell them this is
27:00
Speaker 2: exactly what I was doing, to which his chief of
27:02
Speaker 2: staff said, I fully support it. And then I advised
27:06
Speaker 2: my direct manager here at Sky News as I helped
27:11
Speaker 2: draft the terms of reference which later became the Jenkins Review.
27:16
Speaker 2: I was in contact affair bit Scott Morrison's office, He's
27:19
Speaker 2: chief of staff, on other issues that came up, such
27:23
Speaker 2: as helping to ensure Higgins was offered and received face
27:28
Speaker 2: to face private rape counseling as opposed to the earlier
27:32
Speaker 2: offer of phone counseling she claimed was all she got.
27:37
Speaker 2: I also told her told Higgins she must make a
27:41
Speaker 2: full statement to the federal police rather than continue to
27:44
Speaker 2: run this issue through the media. I admit I was
27:47
Speaker 2: shocked that this had not been done in the many
27:50
Speaker 2: months since her alleged rape. In helping to bring this about,
27:54
Speaker 2: I gave advice on a draft statement for the media
27:58
Speaker 2: following that police into you Now, after a couple of months,
28:02
Speaker 2: I didn't have any further contact with Higgins or her partner,
28:06
Speaker 2: David scheradz. He was at one time, you know, an
28:09
Speaker 2: employee of Sky Now. I was concerned into those months
28:15
Speaker 2: and how the holy she was being used politically as
28:17
Speaker 2: a weapon, and once her taxpayer payout was revealed, that
28:22
Speaker 2: view only strengthened. To date, I have never ever met
28:29
Speaker 2: Brittany Higgins all right after the break, Why on earth
28:33
Speaker 2: did it take Mike Burges so long to clear up
28:35
Speaker 2: his position on Hummas's sympathy, and more importantly, what does
28:39
Speaker 2: it say about the government that he was willing that
28:42
Speaker 2: they were willing to use the ASIO Boss as some
28:44
Speaker 2: sort of cover. Chris Ulman up next, welcome back to
28:53
Speaker 2: the came another massive battery farm. This is renewables being
28:57
Speaker 2: rolled out by Stealth, not for one local asking questions.
29:02
Speaker 2: This might not have come to light until too late.
29:07
Speaker 2: The first, I want to return to Mike Burgess's clarification
29:10
Speaker 2: of those remarks about support for Hummas and obtaining a
29:14
Speaker 2: visa to Australia. It's taken almost a month. But now
29:18
Speaker 2: the AZO Boss says, as revealed by Sherry Max Marson
29:21
Speaker 2: last night, if you support terrorism, if you support what
29:24
Speaker 2: happened on October seven, then you are a threat to security.
29:28
Speaker 2: Joining me now, Sky News contributor Chris Yelman, Well, Chris,
29:33
Speaker 2: this disturbs me a lot because we've had the elapse
29:36
Speaker 2: of about four weeks between that initial statement and this
29:41
Speaker 2: somewhat clarification. I guess my concern is it's come from
29:45
Speaker 2: Burgess himself. There's been no appropriate message or transparency from
29:51
Speaker 2: the government itself. I don't think Burgess was freelancing. I
29:55
Speaker 2: think he was absolutely running out government policy, and that's
29:58
Speaker 2: been backed in by cop means of ministers in the interim.
30:03
Speaker 2: But to get a visa, it takes two things, as
30:05
Speaker 2: a security clearance component and as a character test. The
30:09
Speaker 2: government is still dodging the issue of a character test.
30:14
Speaker 2: So I think the question still remain.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, Peter, and I think clarity is needed in this
30:20
Speaker 12: particular debate. And so I went back to what Mike
30:22
Speaker 12: Burgers said on that day, because a lot's been said
30:24
Speaker 12: about what Mike Burgess said that he did talk about
30:27
Speaker 12: rhetorical support being different from that someone who supports an
30:30
Speaker 12: extremist ideology. But let me remind you that on the
30:34
Speaker 12: day that he made those comments, you said that this,
30:36
Speaker 12: if you have a support for that ideology, that would
30:39
Speaker 12: be a problem. So on the day that he said that,
30:42
Speaker 12: he underlined the fact that if you supported violent extremism,
30:45
Speaker 12: rather than just saying you supported perhaps a state of Palestine,
30:48
Speaker 12: or that you didn't dispute you didn't disagree with a
30:54
Speaker 12: mass running Palestine, that that might be something different. So
30:57
Speaker 12: I think that perhaps it's great that he's underlined that,
30:59
Speaker 12: he's made it clear, but I think that you make
31:01
Speaker 12: a really good point as well. People don't understand the process.
31:05
Speaker 12: It's made up of many different parts. People are funneled
31:07
Speaker 12: through Home Affairs and then sent to ASO. Home Affairs
31:11
Speaker 12: should be looking at a character test and if it
31:14
Speaker 12: gets to as they have to decide whether a person
31:16
Speaker 12: is a direct or an indirect threat to national security,
31:20
Speaker 12: and if that is the case, they will be doing
31:22
Speaker 12: a full blown assessment of the person. Now that's always
31:25
Speaker 12: been the process. And one last thing on clarity. As
31:29
Speaker 12: I've said all along, I think the problem for the
31:31
Speaker 12: government is it lacks any kind of clarity on this
31:35
Speaker 12: because it's caught between the hammer of the Greens and
31:37
Speaker 12: the anvil of its own base when it comes to
31:40
Speaker 12: They're now being a very significant part of the Labor Party,
31:43
Speaker 12: which is very much in support of the state of Palestine,
31:46
Speaker 12: and Anthony Albanis is trying to move from one foot
31:49
Speaker 12: to the next. So I think in some ways that
31:52
Speaker 12: Mike Burgess has been a bit of a carnage in
31:54
Speaker 12: this debate. I don't think that he was as queer
31:56
Speaker 12: as he could have been, but they do think he
31:59
Speaker 12: made the point on the day.
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Speaker 2: I think because he was an appointment of the coalition.
32:05
Speaker 2: I think they could then use him as some sort
32:07
Speaker 2: of shield. But what concerns me and Chris, you've been
32:10
Speaker 2: in the camera gallery a long time. What concerns me
32:14
Speaker 2: is previously John Howard's a good example, Tony Abbott's another.
32:18
Speaker 2: These sorts of very serious national security issues were either
32:21
Speaker 2: provided publicly. Information provided publicly with a ministerial statement or
32:26
Speaker 2: an update to the Parliament, and or a formal press conference,
32:30
Speaker 2: often flanked by the individuals you know, the relevant ministers,
32:34
Speaker 2: the military chiefs, the az O chief and to deal
32:37
Speaker 2: with open and transparent questions from the media scrutiny as
32:40
Speaker 2: there should be. We still haven't had a press conference
32:43
Speaker 2: with the Prime Minister. We don't know where he stands
32:45
Speaker 2: on the character test. We know. We only found out
32:47
Speaker 2: abit this in November with the ABC journalists asking Penny
32:52
Speaker 2: one questions and she then had to admit seven hundred
32:55
Speaker 2: visas had already been granted. Part of the problem here
32:59
Speaker 2: is no one from the government will speak to this issue,
33:03
Speaker 2: and they push out a spook to basically give them
33:07
Speaker 2: a bit of cover. I don't think that stacks up.
33:11
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think that what we have here is a
33:13
Speaker 12: failure to communicate, and the fact that the government understands
33:16
Speaker 12: that has a failure to communicate is underlined by the
33:20
Speaker 12: fact that there's now another casualty in the Prime Minister's office,
33:22
Speaker 12: which you were speaking of just a few moments ago.
33:25
Speaker 12: That's Brett Mason has now moved on and we now
33:27
Speaker 12: have a third person who is doing the Prime Minister's media.
33:31
Speaker 12: That means there is a clear understanding in the Prime
33:34
Speaker 12: misters office and in and around the Prime Minister that
33:36
Speaker 12: they're having really serious problems with being able to communicate
33:40
Speaker 12: their message. But I do think for a long period
33:43
Speaker 12: of time this government has thought that it can bypass
33:46
Speaker 12: what are some of the standard media practices by doing
33:49
Speaker 12: press conferences and things that they believe that in this
33:51
Speaker 12: current era that everything can be done with tweets or
33:54
Speaker 12: with x or whatever it's called now through Facebook, and
33:58
Speaker 12: there's something to be set. We're standing up and answering
34:02
Speaker 12: difficult questions.
34:03
Speaker 2: Now.
34:03
Speaker 12: I've got to say, I don't think that any government
34:05
Speaker 12: particularly likes that kind of scrutiny, and every government always
34:09
Speaker 12: has some beef with the media, So I do think
34:13
Speaker 12: that there is some value in that and some quarity
34:15
Speaker 12: in that and as I say, I think the problem
34:17
Speaker 12: at the base of this is that the Labor Party
34:19
Speaker 12: can't get its message straight because it's not quite sure
34:21
Speaker 12: what it thinks.
34:26
Speaker 2: We learned today that about seven hundred and fifty people
34:28
Speaker 2: have applied for protection visas. These are the entrants from Gata.
34:32
Speaker 2: You know, there's about three thousand visas issued. About fifteen
34:35
Speaker 2: hundred have arrived. Seven hundred and fifty hour have applied
34:38
Speaker 2: for protection visas. That will take years to go through
34:42
Speaker 2: the processes. Obviously it appeals that can be had again
34:46
Speaker 2: up in the High Court, and we've got no capacity
34:50
Speaker 2: throughout that whole process to remove anyone from Australia, even
34:55
Speaker 2: if there are concerns about character or security, until that
34:59
Speaker 2: process has been concluded. This is the problem with how
35:03
Speaker 2: this has been run. And I'd be surprised if every
35:06
Speaker 2: single one of those fifteen hundred people do not apply
35:10
Speaker 2: for permanent asylum in Australia.
35:14
Speaker 12: You would expect that they would, because there's not much
35:16
Speaker 12: of a homeland to go back to, is there. Peter
35:18
Speaker 12: and I think that the government could, of course have
35:20
Speaker 12: drawn on examples from history. It's not the first time
35:23
Speaker 12: that we've had people coming from particularly difficult war zones.
35:27
Speaker 12: I remember quite vividly the former war in Yugoslavia. One
35:31
Speaker 12: of the biggest protests I ever saw in Australia was
35:34
Speaker 12: about that war, as people in their thousands marched across
35:38
Speaker 12: the bridge towards Parliament House. There were real concerns there
35:41
Speaker 12: about the security of people coming from that particular war zone.
35:46
Speaker 12: And as I reported, maybe you can help me with
35:49
Speaker 12: this because you're a bit of an expert in this area.
35:52
Speaker 12: But why couldn't the government have said, look, we can
35:54
Speaker 12: give a temporary protection, there's a call it what you will,
35:57
Speaker 12: but if you come from there, that you can get
36:00
Speaker 12: some sort of refuge in Australia if you parcel the
36:03
Speaker 12: character tests, if you parcel the security test. But at
36:06
Speaker 12: the end of the day we may well we may
36:08
Speaker 12: well return you.
36:09
Speaker 2: You remember they abolished TPVs. They abolished TPVs. That this
36:13
Speaker 2: is one of the first things this government did. But
36:15
Speaker 2: in the howard are you're talking about the costs of
36:17
Speaker 2: ours they had a particular safe haven visa legislative for
36:21
Speaker 2: them that require them to go home, that had appropriate checks.
36:25
Speaker 2: I was working in the Philip Ruddock portfolio in that time,
36:29
Speaker 2: and they created a visa class. The government here, if
36:32
Speaker 2: they've been up front, could easily have sat down with
36:34
Speaker 2: the opposition to create a one off class of visas.
36:38
Speaker 2: The opposition I know, would have demanded security checks, but
36:40
Speaker 2: it could have been done. The issue here, Chris, is
36:43
Speaker 2: they tried to do it secretly. They were then caught out.
36:47
Speaker 2: They've been scrambling ever since. And this is the national story,
36:51
Speaker 2: national security story of this labor government. That's the problem.
36:57
Speaker 12: Yeah, And I think, as I say, it starts with
36:59
Speaker 12: the lack of if you like, in the thinking at
37:02
Speaker 12: the beginning. That's where the low party is issue lies,
37:05
Speaker 12: because there is such a big division now within the
37:08
Speaker 12: party itself on how to deal with the question of
37:10
Speaker 12: the state of Palestine. So I think that all bad
37:13
Speaker 12: decisions in the end, you usually start with an uncertain
37:19
Speaker 12: foundation stone, which is your clarity on what it is
37:21
Speaker 12: you actually believe.
37:24
Speaker 2: All right, I'll leave it there, Thanks for joining me,
37:26
Speaker 2: as always, Chris. After the breaking. Now, the massive battery
37:31
Speaker 2: farm proposal being rushed through locals very angry will fire
37:36
Speaker 2: up you to help them stop it in a moment.
37:40
Speaker 2: And if you're as fed up with local councils as
37:42
Speaker 2: everybody else, way do you see what's coming up with
37:45
Speaker 2: the upcoming elections. Welcome back international panel. We'll get into
37:55
Speaker 2: the US election, but this is important. Yet again, locals
37:59
Speaker 2: have been blown findsighted by massive renewable battery farm, this
38:03
Speaker 2: time near the Victorian town of Little River, which sits
38:05
Speaker 2: between Melbourne and Geelong at the base of the Yu
38:07
Speaker 2: Yangs and this proposal has become a matter of urgency
38:11
Speaker 2: for locals, with a consultation period for the project closing
38:14
Speaker 2: now in a matter of days, a final decision we're
38:17
Speaker 2: told expected towards the end of the year. The concerns
38:21
Speaker 2: range from environmental agricultural of course, to fire risk in
38:26
Speaker 2: this area, which is a difficult area for fire. And
38:30
Speaker 2: it's all become very public due to the advocacy of
38:32
Speaker 2: a local and TV personality, Katrina Roundtree, who herself was
38:37
Speaker 2: blindsided by this proposal until a local journalist went to
38:41
Speaker 2: her for comment. I'm pleased to say that Katrina Roundtree
38:44
Speaker 2: joins me. Now, Katrina, you're not a nimbi here on
38:49
Speaker 2: this issue. You farm land down there and in your
38:53
Speaker 2: husband's family, as I understand, a farm there for many
38:55
Speaker 2: many years. Your property neighbors this proposed site. But up
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Speaker 2: until last week. You knew nothing about it.
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Speaker 13: That's right, Peter. Firstly, thank you so much for the
39:07
Speaker 13: opportunity to shine a light on this which is trying
39:10
Speaker 13: to be rushed through with the state government at the moment.
39:14
Speaker 13: And I apologize from the outset if I get any
39:16
Speaker 13: terms wrong, because I'm just the neighbor.
39:19
Speaker 14: This is not my wheelhouse, and.
39:21
Speaker 13: Many of your viewers will know that. I'm used to
39:24
Speaker 13: promoting areas. I'm used to telling you how beautiful the
39:28
Speaker 13: Yu Yang's Regional Park is, the wonderful aspects of Little River.
39:32
Speaker 13: But now I am fighting to protect this place and
39:35
Speaker 13: this particular property. It has every overlay on it going
39:39
Speaker 13: which the developer is asking the State Minister Sonya Ko
39:44
Speaker 13: Kenny to step in, wipe it clean, put a new
39:47
Speaker 13: overlay on it and just start afresh. So what this
39:50
Speaker 13: property currently has is a bush fire overlay.
39:53
Speaker 14: And these are all.
39:55
Speaker 13: The different fires that date back to nineteen forty three.
39:58
Speaker 13: You could write a book all the fires that have
40:01
Speaker 13: started on this farm in this area. It also has
40:05
Speaker 13: a vegetation protection area. It's in a farm zone. The
40:08
Speaker 13: state government themselves placed a significant landscape overlay on this
40:13
Speaker 13: very region because half a million tourists who visit the
40:17
Speaker 13: Yu Yangs will be looking straight down onto this very property.
40:21
Speaker 14: And just to top it off.
40:22
Speaker 13: There is also an Aboriginal Cultural Heritage sensitive area on
40:27
Speaker 13: this very farm. It's a little bit of a tongue
40:30
Speaker 13: twisted to get out, but I hope that you can
40:32
Speaker 13: understand why the state government has already placed protections on
40:37
Speaker 13: this and they are now being asked step in, wipe
40:40
Speaker 13: a clean and let this be pushed through three hundred
40:43
Speaker 13: and seventy two lithium freight containers covering nearly forty acres
40:48
Speaker 13: of land. You will be looking straight down onto You've
40:51
Speaker 13: seen how many fires actually happen in this area on
40:54
Speaker 13: our property as the neighbors.
40:56
Speaker 14: We have a creek that flows straight into the ocean.
41:00
Speaker 14: Is that green?
41:03
Speaker 2: We know that DeLong masses. They've largely been called unawares
41:06
Speaker 2: of all of these. What are your locals saying to you?
41:08
Speaker 2: What a fellow residents saying? Because you've only got a
41:10
Speaker 2: matter of days now before the console, I have to say,
41:14
Speaker 2: sham consultation closes. How's the reaction been are they? Are they?
41:18
Speaker 2: You know, fired up as you are. Fighter.
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Speaker 13: Well, if we're the neighbor and we weren't consulted. We
41:26
Speaker 13: received a letter dated the eighth of August that arrived
41:30
Speaker 13: at our house on the sixteenth of August, and we
41:33
Speaker 13: gave We were given a matter of days to object.
41:36
Speaker 13: Our community is absolutely unified on this, and I have
41:40
Speaker 13: to say it has been beautiful to be talking to
41:43
Speaker 13: people no matter where I go, and we are all
41:46
Speaker 13: unified on actually standing up for our yu Yang's Regional Park,
41:50
Speaker 13: protecting this area, and it's a beautiful thing. And I
41:53
Speaker 13: love the fact that the people trying to push this through,
41:56
Speaker 13: they just did not count on how strongly our canny
42:00
Speaker 13: would feel about this.
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Speaker 14: You mentioned the counselors.
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Speaker 13: I actually like our counselors, and our counselors would bypassed
42:06
Speaker 13: because if this ever went to counsel it would never
42:09
Speaker 13: stand the pub test. As they say, nobody would ever
42:12
Speaker 13: allow this to go through. But when it comes to
42:15
Speaker 13: the green energy and renewables, they think that they can
42:18
Speaker 13: just push this through. Well, they didn't count on our community,
42:20
Speaker 13: did they. So we're unified, we are strong, and we
42:23
Speaker 13: will make sure that this gets thrown out.
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Speaker 2: Is it anywhere?
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Speaker 5: You know?
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Speaker 14: I do want to say something if I.
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Speaker 2: Want your campaign? Yeah, please please?
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Speaker 13: Oh well, let me just say they have tried to make.
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Speaker 14: This as difficult as possible.
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Speaker 13: In one sense, they say just go onto the Engage
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Speaker 13: VIC website, but it's buried.
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Speaker 14: And that's the thing, Peter.
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Speaker 13: These consultants are paid huge amounts of money to give
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Speaker 13: you the answer that will get that project swept through.
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Speaker 14: You've been in politics, you know how this works.
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Speaker 13: And I'm actually very compassionate to all of the bureaucrats
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Speaker 13: who are actually in the planning department. They would have
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Speaker 13: no idea if I wasn't shouting this from the rooftops,
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Speaker 13: they would have no idea that the proposal that was
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Speaker 13: put forward is full of, let's say, inaccuracies. If I
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Speaker 13: wasn't standing here, if I hadn't interviewed my respected CFA firefighter.
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Speaker 14: Who gave me a bookload of all.
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Speaker 13: The documented fires that have started in this area, it
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Speaker 13: would never have passed through.
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Speaker 14: So I am compassionate.
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Speaker 13: I am so compassionate to both Sonia Kilkenny and to
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Speaker 13: all of those who are having to make these decisions.
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Speaker 13: They get lied to straight out, and so I'm just
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Speaker 13: taking this opportunity to stand up. But I also think
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Speaker 13: there's a side story here and that is Halleluliah.
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Speaker 14: For our regional papers.
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Speaker 13: Thank god for the regional papers, and for journals who
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Speaker 13: are asking questions.
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Speaker 14: Who follow these stories up.
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Speaker 13: This story has taken off around Australia because it doesn't
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Speaker 13: matter if you live in Kolara or if you live
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Speaker 13: in Kinglake. You will find that if you love where
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Speaker 13: you live, my w you have to fight for it,
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Speaker 13: not wrong.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to put all the details up in the
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Speaker 2: sky Neese website so people can find it easily. You're right,
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Speaker 2: they love to bury this stuff. Katerina, good luck with
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Speaker 2: you fight. I'll stay across it and let's hope you'll
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Speaker 2: win it. Thank you. My mum looks across at the
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Speaker 2: Yu Yang. It's a beautiful spot. It's terrible. What is
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Speaker 2: happening all right after the break? How much threatens to
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Speaker 2: kill more hostages. I want to get into the US election.
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Speaker 2: Joe Biden's joined Kamala Harris on the campaign trail Pennsylvania
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Speaker 2: eating up a lot around international isn't there. We'll get
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Speaker 2: into that right now. Sky Neese contributed. Koshagada and the
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Speaker 2: past Chair of the Parliament's Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee
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Speaker 2: for the Labour MP Michael Danby. I want to start
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Speaker 2: if we can just quickly on the Middle East, so
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Speaker 2: that other things I want to get into, Michael, But
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Speaker 2: you know, you would be Pollyanna if you thought that
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Speaker 2: the government of Israel, the Prime Minister of Israel, whomever
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Speaker 2: that is, would not be wanting to get a cease
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Speaker 2: fight and get ou hostages out. But there are no
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Speaker 2: guarantees that Hamas will release it air of these hostages.
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Speaker 2: And we saw what's just recently happened, of course, but
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Speaker 2: also that you can trust Hummus that there is a
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Speaker 2: fair income ceasefire to be had. Surely you know this
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Speaker 2: misinformation campaign that's running around in the media is heartbreaking
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Speaker 2: for anyone to watch.
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Speaker 15: She supports Israel absolutely, Petiere dead on. That's the problem,
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Speaker 15: you see. Even if they agreed to withdraw from the
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Speaker 15: Philadelphia Corridor, which is the cause of the shouting match
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Speaker 15: between the Defense mins, to go on to Nettano at
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Speaker 15: a security cabinet meeting, how do you know these guys
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Speaker 15: will keep their promise? I mean, if Nettano lets them,
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Speaker 15: lets them get out of the Philadelphia corridor, how do
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Speaker 15: you know how Musk won't smuggle people in secret tunnels?
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Speaker 15: Not yet discovered into Sinai. Then the problem keeps going
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Speaker 15: for months and months, and they.
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Speaker 2: Need them as a human shield, don't Kosha. The collateral
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Speaker 2: for Hummus is to keep these people with them and
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Speaker 2: not give them.
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Speaker 11: Up, and that has been successful for them. That's biggest
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Speaker 11: strategy in their toolkit historically.
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Speaker 2: And that's the political pain for them.
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Speaker 6: Yea too.
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Speaker 15: In the middle of all of this is pathetic of
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Speaker 15: Starma to pull the plug on exports to Israel. As
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Speaker 15: the chief Rabbi in the UK said.
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Speaker 2: I agree with that. I want to get into Germany
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Speaker 2: in a moment just quickly. US election it's getting tighter
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Speaker 2: and tighter, and I'm reading some of the polls that
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Speaker 2: daying Trump has now regained those swing states, She's taken
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Speaker 2: Biden out on a campaign trail. I'm not so sure
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Speaker 2: that's a good move. What do you think.
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Speaker 11: It's very tight, It's as tight as it gets right now,
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Speaker 11: and the average polling it's pretty much a statistical tie.
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Speaker 11: You can look at whichever pall one point this way
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Speaker 11: or the other. So if you look at other indicators
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Speaker 11: beyond the polling, it reveals that the momentum is a
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Speaker 11: little bit more in Trump's favor, and she may have
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Speaker 11: peaked in momentum, things like the piece of registration of
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Speaker 11: buildings from each party whose requesting mail in ballots is
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Speaker 11: depressed for the Democrats. Where she's campaigning. She's campaigning in
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Speaker 11: New Hampshire, Minnesota, Virginia states that typically would not be
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Speaker 11: like Tier two battleground states. So it shows that she's
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Speaker 11: a little bit on the back foot and bringing out
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Speaker 11: by it. And I think as another indicator, the one
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Speaker 11: twist could be if he resigns between now, we've got
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Speaker 11: sixty two days left to go, she becomes in.
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Speaker 2: It comes he's really he was.
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Speaker 15: That he wants to give him to her pardon.
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Speaker 2: He's that way out on the way out the door.
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Speaker 2: I guess you know. The challenge for her is to
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Speaker 2: move beyond the vibe and get into policy. The challenge
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Speaker 2: for him is to stay on policy.
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Speaker 11: That's right and stay on message, which she has been
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Speaker 11: doing recently. Has you never know he has sixty two days.
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Speaker 2: The cut through though with the left media and the
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Speaker 2: states makes it harder for him, just on this issue.
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Speaker 2: In Germany, the re emergence and strong electoral winds for
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Speaker 2: the far right, we know Merkle took in about a
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Speaker 2: million illegal migrants allow them amnesty to stay. It's been
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Speaker 2: Simmary now in that almost decade since that happened. Tell
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Speaker 2: us what's going on the ground, Michael.
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Speaker 15: In East Germany, the AfD, the alternative for Deutschland is
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Speaker 15: strong because of the authoritarian tendencies there, and every stabbing
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Speaker 15: by ISIS, like in Solingen, helps these people wherever they
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Speaker 15: are in Germany. But I can't believe in Catholic Bavaria
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Speaker 15: or in civilized West Germany west of the Elba, that
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Speaker 15: AFT will do as well as they're doing in the East.
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Speaker 2: And this is playing out in France. We sent a
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Speaker 2: plant in Spain. It's now a phenomenon that's ripping it
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Speaker 2: all the way through Europe.
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Speaker 11: And it does tige back. We've talked about as many
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Speaker 11: times to immigration being the key issue, and it feels
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Speaker 11: like a wide open field for anybody who's willing to
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Speaker 11: take on that issue but still be a little bit
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Speaker 11: moderate in other ways. There's just such an opening for
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Speaker 11: the rate. But in the absence of that, for the
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Speaker 11: center rate not willing to touch that issue, you will
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Speaker 11: see more and more of that pendulum swinging further to
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Speaker 11: the rate because that's the state.
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Speaker 15: It could kill British labor that issue, especially since they
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Speaker 15: just don't seem to have any way of dealing with
48:52
Speaker 15: all of this illegal immigrations for all. Very well to
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Speaker 15: torpedo the Tory plan to take people out to her.
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Speaker 15: Wonder but what are you going to do?
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Speaker 2: Plan?
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Speaker 1: What's your plan?
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Speaker 2: We're up to with the debate, the not debate, sitting
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Speaker 2: on the fence, all the rules that they want to have,
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Speaker 2: you know.
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Speaker 11: Just build out what we talked about before. It's in
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Speaker 11: her defense, in her interest. Comma's interested to just run
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Speaker 11: out the clock and I think a lot of this
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Speaker 11: she's going to stretch it out and eventually do one
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Speaker 11: debate just because you cannot do a debate. Who knows
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Speaker 11: what concessions they'll make. Going by the interview that she did,
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Speaker 11: I don't think we'll expect to see a lot of
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Speaker 11: substance coming out of it. She's just going to continue
49:27
Speaker 11: doing the vibe, maybe get a zinger here or there,
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Speaker 11: but I don't think it's going to change the direction.
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Speaker 2: Can you imagine an Australian political leader or a British
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Speaker 2: political leader going through all the way to campaign day
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Speaker 2: on the back of one stage interview and maybe no debate.
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Speaker 15: It's outrageous. And you know, Jake Tepper and George Stefanopoulas
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Speaker 15: should pull their socks up up to them to see
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Speaker 15: that both candidates are examined on policies. What's Kamala's policy
49:52
Speaker 15: on the border, what's her policy on fracking, what's a
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Speaker 15: policy on the economy?
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Speaker 1: All of these things.
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Speaker 15: How can you elect a president of the United States,
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Speaker 15: a leader of the free world, who said nothing about Ukraine,
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Speaker 15: nothing about the wars in the Middle East, just.
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Speaker 2: Because she's mabacuous.
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Speaker 11: She's not a candidate, She's a product and the result
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Speaker 11: of a marketing campaign by Oppose and all the.
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Speaker 2: People that have been running the show behind the scenes
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Speaker 2: for Biden want to keep running the show behind the
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Speaker 2: scenes for Gamala. And we need to know who those people.
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Speaker 15: But the left wing media shouldn't play along with it.
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Speaker 15: Tap is too good for this in my.
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Speaker 2: Opinion, Thank you, team. All Right, that's it for me.
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Speaker 2: See tomorrow night. He's Andrew Ball