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EDP57: World Indoor Champs Review / Maurie Plant, Sound Running's The Ten & Berlin Half Previews · Easy Double podcast

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  Yeah, lace them up another way. Another easy double.
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  Yeah. From the track to the.
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  Rodeo we talk that talk splits on the watch, but we still take
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  the Mick. Dean in Perth with the long run
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  legs going, breaks the fire when the session gets thick.
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  Ryan in the mix with the numbers and plans from everything, the
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  medals. Yeah, we break it all down hard
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  graft Monday left about a Sunday still.
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  Hello and welcome back to the easy double podcast episode 57.
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  I'm joined by my 2 Co hosts, one just up the road in Perth.
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  Dean Menzies, how are you doing? Good mate, going well, how are
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  you? Not bad, just let's flick the
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  icon on. It's going to be stuffy in here,
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  but hopefully we'll settle down. I'm not sure.
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  How's the temperature in the office over there, Owen?
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  It's cold enough. The last was a Saturday, Sunday.
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  It felt like summer, like I was nearly breaking out.
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  He's always saying that. But now today it's really
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  overcast. But again, like summer is
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  coming. You can feel it.
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  It's funny, I said to Dean the other day.
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  I was like, oh, look at this, my group chat with my mates at
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  home, they were like they screenshot at the weather
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  forecast and for like Saturday coming, it was forecast highs of
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  12 and sunny. And they were like buzzing.
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  And I was saying today and like, look, this is genuinely what
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  they're working with over there. And he's like, oh, maybe I'll
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  have to go a bit later with the the weather chat because might
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  be starting to piss a few people off.
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  But yeah, still toasty over here, isn't it?
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  Yeah, I've got a jumper on them. Feels a bit cool, but I won't I
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  won't say too much. So call call 21.
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  Nice. Well, what's been going on
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  anyway? Dean, did you get a chance to
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  listen to potentially, what do you reckon our biggest interview
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  in terms of name? Yes.
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  I would have thought so. In terms of high profile person,
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  in terms of degree of fanboy, fangirl, it would have to be
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  right up there, right? Well, I guess when you consider
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  like form and what's happened in the past, like relevance to
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  what's happening right now, he probably takes it doesn't.
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  He's probably one of the most spoken about and admirable
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  people going right now, whether that's like on the track or all
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  the way up through the marathon. If you said to any kind of
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  running fan, name me top five favorite runners, eventually
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  he's going to be in a high percentage of people's, isn't
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  he? I think so.
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  And I think Owen was echoing that in the chat by basically
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  saying, like, as far as you know, there's certain names by
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  profile names in distance running, but those those names
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  are hard to a bit harder to associate with because they're a
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  lot of them are East African. So or even like Jimmy Gressier,
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  he doesn't really speak too much English either.
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  So whereas he's quite open and transparent with his training
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  methods and his approach and he he speaks great English and he's
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  got a bit of quite a bit of personality to him.
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  So in terms of people's people that we want to follow their
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  story and likeable people, that's He's hard to go past,
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  isn't he? What about how down to earth he
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  seems? Just seems like genuinely just
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  normal and nice and very self aware of how talented he is and
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  how much of a hard worker he is, but also very in touch with just
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  being able to have a chat with people.
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  Yeah. But then also just very, very
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  deliberate. He sounds very.
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  Yeah, seems like he's not had I very deliberate.
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  But then at the same time, like did you hear him talk to refer
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  to himself as? I still sometimes just think of
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  myself as the guy that's always injured.
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  I had no idea he had had so many injuries, like demented bone
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  stress injuries he just listed off.
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  I was like, Oh my God. And it's crazy now that he's
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  find something, he's found something that works so well for
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  him. Yeah, well, even he's been
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  around for so long. That's like his World Athletics
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  with the canyons. When you go on the World
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  Athletics, you see like 2021 or whatever what he's as literally
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  2010. You can see his history and how
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  he's progressed. It's it's pretty cool, yeah.
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  Like 16 years, you sort of you're talking to him now.
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  But yeah, he's been putting in work for a long time.
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  And I wonder if perhaps a lot of the speed work that he was doing
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  though has really set himself up.
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  So when he's gone to this aerobic stuff like he just
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  because doesn't he move smooth, quite smooth at some of these
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  fairly fast paces? Like how about his was it 10 by
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  1 K LT2? 243 or whatever, he said.
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  What the hell? It's funny.
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  Could you imagine? No.
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  Just know what's what's the 62nd lap for that 50?
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  No, no, 60 like 6060 fives 65 seconds right 2 1/2 laps yeah is
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  230 + 10 two 4242.5. And the impressive thing is that
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  the lactate measuring, he's all doing it under controllers and
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  he's not. A lot of people could probably
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  do it balls to the wall, but to do it under control?
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  Yeah, that just shows that he's got his his Physiology like so
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  high and he did talk about that. You remember when the guys on
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  the Coffee Club spoke to him and he spoke about how much he
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  progressed? Remember he would talk about his
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  LT1 training and where it started to where it got to,
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  which is pretty cool. It's funny, the part what I
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  never even got to speak to Owen about this really.
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  I, it was scheduled for like mid afternoon our time.
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  So I'd wrapped up my work day earlier, went in very early to
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  make sure that I could leave in time for it.
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  And I'd got home like 15 minutes or so before the chat.
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  But then I didn't take a key to work with me that day, so I was
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  outside. I was like oh shit this
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  interview starts in 15 minutes I can't get into the house and I
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  was trying to think like what I could do.
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  I was thinking about going to like the nearest coffee shop or
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  something and logging on and I didn't want to text Owen and
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  panic him because then it would have just been dropping it on
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  him last minute. Like are you OK to do this by
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  yourself? So I actually ran back to work
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  and done it in one of the meeting rooms after leaving work
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  for the day so and literally logged on just in time and Owen
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  was just sat there with him having a chat.
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  As what's the weather like over there, just casually?
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  Hungry and then when when he left, like as soon as the
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  interview finished, like for context, it puts you into like
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  the the chat room, but it's just not recording obviously.
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  So you can maybe hang around, speak or like just leave,
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  whatever. And he was just straight off
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  literally for a run as he almost left the screen was, you know,
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  when he was closed up ready to go look like he was just
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  breaking, breaking into his first K. 341st K.
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  Yeah. And he was saying off screen as
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  well that he normally gets up like 6 every morning.
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  So gets up 6 every morning, does the first run so you can do a
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  second run early enough as well. Because in the evenings and the
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  indoor tracks in Sweden are crazy busy, so he tries to get
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  that done before the chaos. Does he rest in the middle of
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  the day? Is that like how does he in
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  terms of the recovery? Will he have a nap?
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  He said sure, he only started running full time after the
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  Olympics in 2024 hours which I could not believe like the level
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  he was at while studying and working part time and.
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  Yeah. Like you can sort of see why he
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  was getting injured in a little way, like the stress he's
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  putting under his body, like outside of running as well.
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  So yeah, I presume he's got his stuff dialed in.
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  Nutrition, like you're trying at such a high level.
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  Like I say, he's just knocking out 200K weeks, which is why he
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  says he'll transition to the marathon will be pretty
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  seamless, which I think we're all eagerly awaiting.
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  And because he's like, Graham Fisher hasn't mastered the half.
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  Alan Green has got a 58 minute half to his name as well.
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  So yeah, his marathon debut will be eagerly awaited.
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  What did you think of his comment about the half marathon
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  record, the European record? What could he?
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  I think he's, I thought he said he is like, because he was
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  talking about like if he knew he was close, I think for the 10K
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  record and he was saying like he, he had an idea.
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  But then he said for the I thought he said for the half
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  marathon record. It wasn't necessarily if I would
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  like, if I had a great day, if I had a good day, I would break
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  it. If I had a great day, I'd smash
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  it. Yeah, that's so good.
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  Isn't it? He just knew.
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  I think he actually said if I had a bad day I would break it.
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  Oh, that's crazy. You, you, you can relate
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  yourself to the feeling of like knowing you're going to run a
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  PB, but to then change the context and apply it to a
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  European record is quite bizarre.
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  Yeah, they call that he's got it.
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  So it's, it's it's nice to hear his approach being so dulled
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  with a lot of it. You know, like he's, he put so
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  much thought into all this training and he, he must know so
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  well how it converts to the distances because had he run a
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  half prior to that? Don't even know if he had, but
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  he seemed to know so well where his body was at.
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  Well, I was thinking about how I can get access to like a Sweden
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  share or a Sweden singlet on the back of that.
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  But yeah, we really enjoyed it. And if you did too, it'd be
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  great if you could just leave us a review or a rating on Spotify,
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  Apple, wherever you are and follow along so you do not miss
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  the next one because you know, we'll be we'll be chasing the
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  next interview for you. So this episode is largely going
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  to be focused around the World Athletics Indoor Championships,
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  which happened over the weekend in what I imagine was a very
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  cold Poland. And we've got some news to
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  cover, including Clayton Young has changed allegiances from his
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  previous brand partner ASICS training weeks because Dean and
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  I are back up and running and Owen is building again.
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  YouTube Diaries and Double Trouble for sure, as well as
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  some previews of upcoming races. This weekend there's two well,
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  there's a big half marathon in Germany with a few big names and
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  a big 10,000 meters over in the USA.
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  So we'll start with the World Indoor Championships because
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  this is what we've been building towards really for the past.
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  I mean, pretty much since Tokyo, there's a bit of cross country
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  and October, November, December, and then everything else has
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  been geared towards this. With the indoor season, people
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  have been trying to qualify and make teams and so almost ended
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  up just kind of sneaking up on us.
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  All of a sudden it's here. All of a sudden we're in March.
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  I didn't even know it was on on the Friday.
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  It was only until you sent the message into the group chat.
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  I thought it was just a Saturday, Sunday type of thing.
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  Yeah, I know it was a little bit low key.
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  Yeah, freedoms around the Friday.
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  Yeah. So I guess there was three main
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  events what we were concerned with, the 800 meters, 1500
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  meters and 3000 meters. And I think that in order of how
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  it went, the 3000 meters came first in terms of the final.
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  At least they were on the Friday evening session, I think.
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  So for the men's race, that's probably the most deep, elite
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  stacked field. Like almost most anticipation
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  was around this race because you had Olympic champion Cole
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  Hawker, Josh Kerr, Nagus and then a couple of Owens
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  countrymen. Andrew Kosgrim was in there as
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  well as Nick Griggs, so obviously we know what's been
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  going on. Carl Hocker's been wiping the
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  floor clean with whoever stabbed in front of him.
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  Josh Kerr had a disappointing World Championships where he
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  pulled off with an injury, made his comeback in Melrose and just
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  got done by Hocker there. So it's kind of set up lovely to
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  see. Would Hocker continue his
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  dominance or would care continue his upwards trajectory and go
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  one better? And then yet the wild card of
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  Nagus missed out on Tokyo as well, so there would have been
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  fire in his belly to put things right.
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  But I mean, I'll go through the results and then we can talk
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  about what you make of it. So Josh care 1, he is your world
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  indoor champion in 735.56 with Cole Hocker a close 2nd. 735.7
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  and the Frenchman, the wild card, the what do you call them?
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  Dean a Ruffie, Smokey. Yeah, Ruffy, Smokey.
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  Yeah, all good, good ones. Jan Strobe, Frenchman 735.71 So
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  any just losing out on the silver medal, let's call Hawker.
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  I've got some stats which we can fall back on, but what are your
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  boys opinions and thoughts of the race of the results?
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  You call him a roughy but he ran 729 basically solo in an indoor
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  ME in France a couple of weeks ago.
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  And his range, like he is the European 10K record holder as
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  well on the road and his range is ridiculous.
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  But I just thought cool Hawker left himself way too much to do.
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  Like he got boxed in that Josh Kerr around the perfect race.
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  He's so good when he emptied tank when he had them did the
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  tank and Hawker was lucky enough to get silver.
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  But yeah, what a race salvage I am going into.
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  It if you were to pick someone, I struggled to go past Hawker in
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  terms of like I couldn't if I was to pick anyone a particular
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  like didn't Hawker has won everything in the last X many
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  months, has the like an absolutely savage kick.
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  I just couldn't seem and it's not like Kerr and Hawker haven't
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  raced, so there's no way I could have tipped Kerr over Hawker.
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  So to then see the upset happen, I was still I was pretty
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  shocked. I think, like you said, Oh, and
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  I think he he left too much work to do in that last 200.
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  There was a move didn't care with about 300 to go make a bit
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  of a move and hocker just chose not to go with.
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  But the Frenchman I think did did, did follow and that's
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  really what set up his race. But yeah, I I knew he had the
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  the world lead going into the race, the Frenchman, but I
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  didn't anticipate if it was not super fast that he would have
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  the wheels to to kick with those guys.
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  But he actually had the the fastest foot last 400 meters.
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  I think of the race. So pretty in incredible
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  performance by him. Makes sense given we know didn't
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  he go head to head with Armstrong and just pip Armgren?
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  So you know his who's a medallist in a fairly tactical
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  10,000 meters last year. So the top three all made sense.
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  I guess looking back I just there's no way I would have
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  picked that order. I think it's in the past I've
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  been, I'm going to say critical, but I haven't been able to
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  properly take to Josh care. Don't know.
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  I've never like I've never disliked him, but I've never
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  just been sure of him either. But on with this result.
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  I was actually happy for him. I still don't really know why,
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  but I guess just like not necessarily the underdog story,
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  but because Hocker has almost established himself as the best
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  and was just winning, winning, winning.
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  It's good as much for the sport as it is for fans to see a
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  change of that. And it was also funny that Josh
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  Kerr, he's not one to like, kind of bite his tongue or be too
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  modest or too humble about anything.
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  And he, he whipped out coal hawkers.
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  So at Melrose, I don't know if you see him, when Hawker crossed
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  the line, he done like this go to sleep little pose.
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  And Josh Kerr got it back out this time.
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  And he said, what did he say? Oh, yeah.
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  Like, he flexed on me or something.
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  And that was like fire in the belly and seeing Carl Hawker got
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  asked about it in his post race interview.
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  And you can see he's like still so fired up, but like angry and
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  sad at the same time. Like he looks like he's almost
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  about to cry, start crying in this interview because he you
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  can tell he's a little bit salty.
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  And he's like, yeah, I don't mind it because I gave him one.
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  But like, you know, get your own celebration.
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  But yeah, he didn't didn't look too happy.
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  But I think, yeah, it just kind of resets the narrative a little
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  bit because it was all all the momentum was going with Hoka.
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  Like, how can he be beaten? World champs next year, Home
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  Olympics the year after. Hoka, Hoka, Hoka.
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  And was it the brojo? So let's run chat.
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  Do you remember when they had the argument with who's the?
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  Who's the other Co host? Oh, John from Goal.
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  Yeah, Cult. And they basically, cause didn't
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  Jonathan Galt write a piece about these guys being having
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  fairly similar resumes and they basically tore him to pieces
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  saying no way, Hawk is the man. And and so how good was it to
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  then to see like Kirk get one back And they and they had to,
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  they sort of had to eat a bit of humble pie.
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  But did you hear their take on it?
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  Did you hear their their recap? Because they're taller than it
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  was a hocker. No, but they, what they said was
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  that maybe Hawker's not quite a cherry ripe, you know, given he
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  was given, they, they given he got dusted when he tried to back
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  up for the 1500 metres at the US trials.
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  Maybe he's not fully fit. Therefore, if he's fully fit,
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  Kerr doesn't stand a chance. That would that would just it
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  sounded like a bit of one eyed defence.
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  I wasn't a fan of it. Which is funny because I know
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  last year leading up to the, I remember leading up to the USA
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  is like the qualifiers for Tokyo Hawker.
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  The way he builds a season, he he like races into it and builds
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  fitness throughout. So he in the past, he hasn't
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  always won every race. He stood on the start line of
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  and that was the narrative for them then like defending him,
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  like, oh, he's fit when it matters.
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  If he's, if he's on the start line in the championships, then
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  he's he's going to be like competitive and stuff.
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  Whereas now it's it's been used the other way around to defend.
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  Anyone mil Rose he ran an American record for the 2K like
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  he was plenty fit. He just someone beat him.
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  What else do we have here? Oh yeah, he was.
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  He's criticized as well for his, I don't know about this one.
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  It's hard lack of tactics like getting stuck on the rail and
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  getting boxed in because I think there's been a few times maybe
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  where he's got out of trouble or got lucky.
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  You lost trying their own. Yep.
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  But he's there's been a couple of times where he's he's rode
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  the rail and it's like opened up for him and that's allowed them
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  to get his results. And like, it's kind of it's OK
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  when things line up for you like that.
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  But in instances like this where he when care made his move,
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  Hawker basically missed it because everyone started coming
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  around the outside didn't. And then he found himself.
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  We've lost him again, but you get the gist of what he's trying
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  to say. I was really gone.
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  My reflection on that because I, yeah, I did hear similar,
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  similar comments and my reflections are like everyone's
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  Physiology is pretty close and it's a high stakes game.
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  And I think he just takes risks and you want to save your kick
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  as late as possible because you know, when you fully kick,
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  you're just getting absolutely flooded with lactate, right?
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  So I think Hawk is just a a wizard at just saving that kick
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  till as late as possible and just going whack and just coming
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  over the top. And he tried to do that this
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  time, but these guys stole the March and they were just strong
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  enough to hold a sustained kick and keep him off, in my opinion.
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  He left too much for himself to do 100%.
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  Yeah. And yeah, my luck is yeah, sorry
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  you go. No, I just want to jump on to
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  Geordie Bien Mesh, but keep on going.
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  Oh no, just yeah. I just think he'd like he's
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  tactically quite good, but he but some of what he's doing is
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  pretty risky and as a result, like it's hard to get it
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  perfectly right. And if your Physiology is so
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  close, you know you're not you're not going to win all
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  those races, which what is what makes them ex exciting and it's
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  what makes indoors so exciting, I think is that it bring it
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  because it makes it tactics more relevant because of the extra
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  banks, you get a little bit more variability with the results.
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  It's good. Yeah, it's tactic from way more
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  into it. It's so hard to pass.
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  But what are you going to say on Jodie Bainish?
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  I was just shocked, like you didn't see him sitting at the
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  back and you're like, all right, he's going to come through the
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  end. But he just never came through
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  and like, I don't know. Yeah.
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  I haven't heard if he's had any niggles or anything like he must
• 23:07
  have been, because he just was not the races at all.
• 23:10
  He might got sick, I don't know. Did we touch on our predictions
• 23:14
  for this race and the results of them?
• 23:19
  No, I don't think we did. So somehow he must have been
• 23:25
  drunk or something because he's gone, Josh Kerr, Gold Cole
• 23:29
  Hawker Silver, Yan Shrub said for the trifecta.
• 23:34
  Yeah, if if you're at the gallops you would have got, you
• 23:38
  would have, you would have cleaned up if you put that, put
• 23:43
  that in order and as a trifecta. And you're good.
• 23:48
  First race as well. The rest of his meet would have
• 23:50
  just been free money throwing it away.
• 23:53
  I wouldn't have walked away with anything based on the rest of
• 23:55
  his card. And Dean and I backed Talker for
• 24:02
  the gold with I said Josh Kerr second, the Goose 3rd, and Dean
• 24:08
  had Negus second and Habs third. Which Habs down there in 11th
• 24:15
  didn't really feature I guess, but you never know what's going
• 24:20
  to happen with him. He's a bit of a Mad 1 isn't he?
• 24:24
  So the women's equivalent, the women's 3000 meters.
• 24:27
  Again, good field here but perhaps missing some of the
• 24:31
  African stars who you would usually expect to clean up the
• 24:34
  medals in that there was no Kippy Aegon or no Chibet given
• 24:39
  it was a distance race. So now the Abatto Klesi took the
• 24:42
  gold medal of Italy 857.64. So pretty well.
• 24:46
  Very slow race. Emily Mackay of the US second
• 24:50
  silver medal 858.12 and Jessica Hull Australia 3rd 858.18.
• 24:58
  I was just watching this race back before because I couldn't
• 25:00
  actually find that over the weekend.
• 25:02
  The first K this house slow it was 3/15.
• 25:07
  It was crazy. They're.
• 25:08
  Falling over each other. Yeah, there's so much pushing
• 25:11
  going on. And my eyes were largely on Jess
• 25:16
  to see like kind of how the race played out for her.
• 25:20
  And she's she seemed to spend so much of it in Lane 2, which
• 25:25
  isn't that wide, but she was like 3-3 deep all the time.
• 25:30
  And it was almost like any little surge, she was trying to
• 25:34
  cover it. And it's easy to watch it back
• 25:37
  with hindsight knowing that she finished there then like kind of
• 25:40
  look critically, but I don't know, it looks like she perhaps
• 25:43
  wasted quite a bit of energy throughout that race.
• 25:48
  The second K wound up a little to a 301.
• 25:52
  And then Jess ended up making the first like, decisive move of
• 25:55
  the race. And she went to the front with
• 25:57
  300 meters to go, which because it's an indoor track, is 1 1/2
• 26:02
  laps. And that was basically her, her
• 26:05
  bed, her move. She played their cards then.
• 26:09
  And not that she gapped Bassa classy, but like she gapped the
• 26:13
  rest of the field and strung it out to the point where Bassa
• 26:17
  Classy was like having to just try and hang on rather than re
• 26:20
  pass her. But then after a lap of being on
• 26:24
  the front and pumping and driving, Bassa Classy then
• 26:28
  passed her back with 100 meters to go.
• 26:30
  And she also dragged the American girl, Emily McKay, back
• 26:35
  up with her. And probably quite cleverly for
• 26:39
  her, she didn't go past Jess with 100 meters to go, but she,
• 26:44
  like, just sat on the back of her, rode the bend behind her
• 26:48
  and then used the last straight to just pass her.
• 26:52
  So that's how the race unfolded, and that's what the results
• 26:55
  were. What do you make of it?
• 26:59
  Did you see the? Fall.
• 27:01
  Yes, there was that the that Halo.
• 27:04
  Yeah, so she'd have been half it.
• 27:06
  Well, won the favorites anyway. And she was in front of Jess.
• 27:10
  And then this Spanish who was a guy.
• 27:12
  See. Is there a guy?
• 27:13
  See you there? Yeah.
• 27:14
  Martha, go. She didn't even fall.
• 27:15
  Oh, she left this qualified. So.
• 27:18
  Yeah. So she pushed Jess, just pushed
• 27:21
  Halo. Halo hit the ground and and
• 27:25
  yeah, like, fair enough. It was a slow enough pace that
• 27:28
  she was able to get back on, but you're still wasting so much
• 27:31
  energy trying to get back on. And and yeah, Nadia about it,
• 27:35
  Claddy. Like, what can this woman not
• 27:38
  do? Like her just again, I think
• 27:41
  she's on. She's never run a half before.
• 27:43
  So like she's I'm guessing she's going to be so good on the
• 27:47
  roads. She's just unbeatable.
• 27:49
  Like when you're out kicking like she's a 10K girl.
• 27:52
  Like when you're out kicking like Jess Hall, Yeah, you have
• 27:55
  some set of wheels on you as well.
• 27:58
  It was tricky right, to work out who you you pick out of Jess
• 28:02
  Hull and Badakhledi because like you feel like Jess Hull absent
• 28:08
  Faith Kipya gone and maybe now like a couple of the top GB
• 28:12
  athletes is the best like short shorter of the middle distance
• 28:17
  athletes is like that next, next ranked athlete.
• 28:22
  But then similarly, if you take out, say, Jibet in the and maybe
• 28:27
  Sega, then, you know, Bataclede is like the the top athlete.
• 28:32
  So then who do you? So then when you put them
• 28:34
  together over a distance that's halfway between, you know, it
• 28:38
  was always going to be like who? Yeah, who do you who do you
• 28:41
  think? Who do you think's the better
• 28:43
  one? And I feel like it's a pretty
• 28:44
  even fight, but I thought maybe going into it, some of Jess
• 28:50
  Hall's performances weren't as exceptional is where she was
• 28:54
  leading into Tokyo last year. So maybe that's the only reason
• 28:57
  why you think Beta Cledy's may be able to get the win.
• 29:03
  Yes, it's like an equal battle being met in the middle.
• 29:07
  Like Jess being superior at the shorter stuff, battle classy
• 29:10
  being superior at the stronger stuff and then they've met over
• 29:13
  3K. It's almost like you'd
• 29:16
  literally, as you say, you wouldn't have known how it would
• 29:18
  go. And that's probably amplified by
• 29:20
  I was trying to look at their times and like prior to this.
• 29:24
  So Jess had ran 824 for 3K and batter classy 826, which is
• 29:30
  fairly even. Then obviously Jess has a much
• 29:33
  faster 1500 and she's never ran proper 5 or 10K to compare to
• 29:39
  batter classy. And then the only variable which
• 29:43
  would lead you to believe who would maybe come out on top
• 29:47
  would be, well, is it a fast race?
• 29:49
  If it's fast race, then potentially batter classy
• 29:52
  because of her strength. But if it's a slow race, then
• 29:55
  you'd expect Jess to come out on top because presumably she can
• 29:59
  use airspeed to kick home. And it was an incredibly slow
• 30:03
  race. But yeah, batter classy can do
• 30:06
  it all. And it's so she probably,
• 30:10
  obviously she would have wanted to go for gold.
• 30:13
  I imagine she would have been content with silver.
• 30:16
  But then maybe to get beat by this American girl.
• 30:20
  Like she's run 355 / 1500 meters, which is 5 seconds
• 30:25
  slower than Jess's time and 830 / 3 K, which is 6 seconds slower
• 30:30
  than Jess's time. So I mean, she's obviously just
• 30:35
  had potentially the race of her life given that her all the
• 30:38
  major accolade is a bronze at the world indoors and we know
• 30:42
  Jess's pedigree is like Olympic and world championship medals.
• 30:47
  But do you think like if this race was held like last year, I
• 30:51
  don't think that's all gets being.
• 30:53
  I just think she's sort of not 100% at the moment.
• 30:57
  Yeah, agree. And I think if it was a few
• 31:01
  years ago, like I remember just finishing, it might have been
• 31:05
  like Olympic world championship finals and indoor finals, that
• 31:09
  fourth or fifth spot for quite a few times before finally
• 31:12
  breaking through for a medal. Whereas now she's got a bit of a
• 31:17
  a bit of a bag of medals. So I feel like she's racing that
• 31:20
  race to win gold or almost like how she did in Tokyo where she
• 31:23
  tried to run with Faith Kipiagon and risk losing the silver for
• 31:28
  the chance of having a crack at the gold.
• 31:31
  I feel like that was the same strategy.
• 31:32
  So I feel like if she executed a perfect race for her Physiology
• 31:38
  on the day, maybe it's silver, but I feel like she wants the
• 31:41
  chance to go for gold. Whether or not it was silver or
• 31:43
  bronzes is less relevant. And that's why I know the
• 31:49
  narrative from within Australia or domestically will be Jess
• 31:54
  Hall, like track queen, coming home with two medals again.
• 31:58
  But I'm going to challenge it and say she would have wanted to
• 32:02
  be coming home with a gold medal and maybe perhaps a little
• 32:06
  disappointed not to be given that she entered both races and
• 32:11
  the potential to win gold given the absentees.
• 32:15
  So that takes us nicely into the 1500.
• 32:17
  We'll start. We'll go with the women's
• 32:19
  because Jessel was also in this race.
• 32:21
  This was her Dublin back, so the 3K it was weird.
• 32:25
  I think the 1500 Heath or semi was first, then the 3K final and
• 32:29
  then the 1500 final. So she'd secured their bronze
• 32:33
  medal going into this 1500 meter final and it was worn by Great
• 32:39
  Britain's Georgia Hunter Bell in I mean the the way this race
• 32:44
  played out was bizarre. Georgia Hunter Bell won 358.53
• 32:49
  in a British record and being the first ever British woman to
• 32:53
  win a indoor global title, so fair play, she's been trending
• 32:58
  upwards for a while. Jess Hall second in 359.45 and
• 33:03
  Nikki Hilts of the USA 3rd 359.68 just nicking the bronze
• 33:09
  medal off the French girl Agathe Guillemot.
• 33:14
  So have you seen how this one went and what are your thoughts?
• 33:18
  I didn't see this one. Yeah, I watched.
• 33:22
  I watched this race. I in terms of predictions, I
• 33:28
  thought going into it because Georgia Hunter Bell's been
• 33:31
  racing is a training partner to Killy Hodgkinson, right?
• 33:36
  And is sort of split her time between the 8 and 1500 and has
• 33:41
  been running really well. So I thought she would be the
• 33:45
  favorite and I think she probably was the favorite.
• 33:50
  And the the way the race played out was just that basically like
• 33:55
  didn't Georgia made a a move? Jess or Jess made a bit of a
• 34:00
  move as well? They're both the most proactive
• 34:02
  and they looked like the best 2 runners in the race.
• 34:05
  Georgia, albeit just cleared away in that final straight and
• 34:11
  Jess held on really well for for before and the third and fourth
• 34:16
  were quite fast finishing but didn't really feel like they
• 34:19
  were were in it. It felt like the top two were
• 34:22
  the best 2 and they ran it like they were the best 2 and
• 34:25
  finished one and two. It felt to me like it all very
• 34:30
  much went by the form book and there wasn't it.
• 34:33
  No one made any tactical errors. Everyone ran, you know, played
• 34:38
  the cards they had and the result was the result.
• 34:41
  I don't think anyone could have done much different.
• 34:43
  I don't was at least my view. Yes so that Halon, the Ethiopian
• 34:48
  girl, she went way off the front.
• 34:50
  Didn't she like completely detached herself?
• 34:53
  It'll it probably wasn't actually that much because it's
• 34:56
  on that shorter track and you used to having like 100m
• 35:00
  straight 100 meter bend. You're thinking like she's 100
• 35:04
  meters in front, but obviously it's half that distance.
• 35:07
  But yeah, she was way gone. And I think the pack we're
• 35:10
  actually running a pretty decent clip anyway.
• 35:14
  And then once it became apparent that this girl had completely
• 35:18
  detached herself, it was a question of like all who from
• 35:22
  the pack is going to make the move to try and chase it down
• 35:26
  and reattach them? And you can tell because no one,
• 35:28
  they didn't really go for a little while and they all
• 35:32
  obviously would have been aware. Whoever is going to be on the
• 35:34
  front doing this work to close the gap is going to be the one
• 35:38
  who's kinda. Expecting to win?
• 35:42
  Selling their soul to do the work for everyone.
• 35:46
  But yet Georgia Hunter Bell was the one who kinda must have
• 35:50
  said, all right, well, we have a stay here and race for silver or
• 35:55
  we have a go. And I think she has to go
• 35:57
  though, because I feel like it's her race to lose, like in terms
• 36:00
  of form and fitness, she's the most likely to win.
• 36:03
  So if she lets that gap get too big, it does it.
• 36:07
  She shouldn't. And so and it was right of Jess
• 36:10
  to then follow the move rather than initiate the move because
• 36:14
  it is harder judging the effort closing the gap.
• 36:17
  So I feel like Jess did everything right.
• 36:20
  George is happy with the Jess now, is it right?
• 36:22
  Yeah. Oh, not at all.
• 36:24
  I don't mind your take. I like I think you're right.
• 36:27
  I think she I think she'd now would want to be a winner global
• 36:31
  gold, but I don't think she could have done anything about
• 36:34
  it. I think there was someone just
• 36:36
  fitter than her. Like is my view on it.
• 36:39
  Like I think you're you're right.
• 36:41
  I mean, there's she probably had more more of a chance in the 3K
• 36:43
  and the 1500 though, like Georgia Hunter Bell, I felt like
• 36:46
  was the favorite going in. True to form, she did all the
• 36:52
  work, close the gap, went round and like, did you she like was
• 36:55
  sort of streaking away from her in the last 100 metres.
• 36:58
  So there's I don't think there's much she could have done.
• 37:02
  No agree, but she did Georgia Hunter Bell gave her the perfect
• 37:07
  lead out didn't she? Like she had the toe basically.
• 37:11
  Obviously it's easier said than done.
• 37:13
  All you have to do is pass her, but like nest of FS Georgia
• 37:19
  Hunter Bell has won it the hard way.
• 37:21
  Basically she if you discount that Halon because she was
• 37:24
  hardly give given Georgia a helping hand by like lead and
• 37:29
  she's basically from run the whole race and rap won it from
• 37:32
  the front. Georgia hasn't she which I was
• 37:35
  the same as you. Like on paper you think, yeah,
• 37:38
  probably Georgia Hunter Bell, it seems has been in like crazy hot
• 37:43
  form and like we know Jess's potentially dipped a little bit
• 37:47
  in the past six months or so. But then on World Athletics they
• 37:51
  have this feature where you can look at head to heads, which
• 37:54
  usually is pointless because it only shows like certain
• 37:59
  distances and whatever. But when people race each other
• 38:02
  so often, you can maybe get some decent contacts from it.
• 38:07
  And I was amazed when a scene. So these two since 2024, Georgia
• 38:12
  and Jess have raced each other head to head in 1500 meters 10
• 38:17
  times. And prior to these Weld indoors,
• 38:22
  Jess had worn all of them, all 8 head to head, so 1500 meters and
• 38:28
  then the two that Georgia Hunter Bell has won where the Heath,
• 38:32
  which is irrelevant. And then obviously the final.
• 38:37
  Any of those in the last six months though.
• 38:40
  Well, all since 2024. I've still got the finger.
• 38:44
  So I mean, 10 races in two years, there's probably going to
• 38:48
  be a few right still here. Let's see Georgia Hunter Bell
• 38:53
  and I mean God knows what that Halem was thinking.
• 39:02
  She kind of almost pulled it off.
• 39:04
  But when you do that like so pre classic was the last one No July
• 39:13
  2025. That would make sense.
• 39:16
  So I feel like Jess was definitely better up until then
• 39:19
  whereas Georgia Hunter Bell. Didn't she cause the upset in
• 39:22
  Tokyo? Yeah.
• 39:25
  Beating Kelly for silver. Yeah.
• 39:29
  And it was. That felt like a bit of a
• 39:30
  turning bit of a turning point. But nevertheless, you know
• 39:35
  yourself, if you've raised, if you've raised the head to head
• 39:40
  with someone, yeah, like me and you, if you've always beaten me
• 39:45
  and then all of a sudden I turn up and beat, yeah, you're not
• 39:48
  going to be going. Oh well, Ryan was doing good
• 39:51
  time trials so I'll let him have it.
• 39:54
  Yeah, I wouldn't say it's a turning point for sure.
• 39:59
  You can't stop bridges. Biting me into it.
• 40:06
  We can't get them on the start line, so we'll never know.
• 40:09
  Well, here we go. Anyway, that's where the medals
• 40:14
  went. We'll see what the mainstream
• 40:17
  narrative is, but I know what mine is.
• 40:21
  We're only three day, Pierre, aren't we?
• 40:24
  Men's 1500 meters. This one was absent a few names
• 40:27
  because they decided to do the 3K.
• 40:29
  So again, gold medal, silver medal, bronze medal up for
• 40:32
  grabs. Very much so.
• 40:34
  The main man in the field, if you look at form and accolades
• 40:39
  must be the reigning world outdoor champion Isaac Nadir.
• 40:43
  So a Spanish guys and the winner, Mariano Garcia 339.6
• 40:48
  free for his first gold medal in the 1500 meters.
• 40:56
  Isaac Nadai was second backing up his gold from Tokyo, getting
• 41:00
  a silver now and the Australian Adam Spencer took his
• 41:03
  opportunity as he often does and claimed A bronze medal in
• 41:08
  340.26. And he's, I don't know about
• 41:14
  it's funny because the narrative with Hocker, he's getting
• 41:16
  criticized for like hugging the rail and messing his race up and
• 41:20
  Adam Spencer done the same thing.
• 41:22
  He was sick with 100 meters to go and he's buddy come away with
• 41:26
  a bronze medal because of it. So it's just depends how you
• 41:30
  look goes whether it opens up or not.
• 41:35
  Yeah, I feel like the margins in these games, in these races are
• 41:38
  so small and with double the bends, you need to take risk.
• 41:42
  And I feel like Adam Spencer's run was just a great
• 41:44
  illustration of how, yeah, like, he he he ran tactically really
• 41:50
  well in the heats to get himself into position in the final.
• 41:54
  You know how he always puts himself in a good position, puts
• 41:58
  himself there, doesn't allow himself to get out, kicked it
• 42:01
  like by sitting too far back. And then in this one, let the
• 42:05
  guys let one and two go, sat at the back of the chase group and
• 42:09
  then just found his run on the inside right at the end.
• 42:12
  Looked like he was full of running with about what, 150 to
• 42:15
  go. Just couldn't, but couldn't get
• 42:17
  out. But still hug, hug, like hug
• 42:19
  that inside rail. And yeah, it was awesome.
• 42:22
  Like what a what a great run and you get rewarded for, yeah,
• 42:25
  taking a bit of risk by not spending all those biggies
• 42:28
  running, running 1. You also like if this was the
• 42:32
  UK, the UK wouldn't have sent him because like on paper he's
• 42:36
  not in like he's not a chance of winning the medal.
• 42:39
  But This is why you need to send full teams like God only knows
• 42:41
  Jack Anstey could. They could have got second and
• 42:43
  third, but you don't know because they send them.
• 42:46
  Unbelievable. And yeah, and we, I don't know,
• 42:48
  we'll probably get to this in the women's 800, but like the
• 42:55
  Hayley Kitching, who we'll talk about like would not be, I don't
• 43:00
  think she'd be top three. It may would maybe just scrape
• 43:03
  into the top three in terms of Aussie women's rankings, right.
• 43:07
  And you can only send two per country.
• 43:09
  So like if you took this really tough approach to, to these
• 43:14
  competitions, you would cut your you would gut your team and it
• 43:18
  would be totally the wrong, the wrong way to do it.
• 43:19
  Because it's really interesting. I was reflecting on this a
• 43:22
  little bit with just this performance, with Adam Spencer's
• 43:26
  performance. And if you took the view of
• 43:28
  British athletics, which is around medal chances, these
• 43:31
  world indoor championships don't attract in every event
• 43:36
  necessarily the same athletes. And all the athletes aren't in
• 43:40
  necessarily always in the same shape as what they are for a a
• 43:43
  Summer Olympics. And so you've really got, and
• 43:47
  the fact that it's a indoor track means that you've got more
• 43:50
  variants, you've got more, a bit more luck.
• 43:53
  So when you don't send, you just, you're just diminishing
• 43:56
  your country's chances of winning medals at it in a
• 43:59
  championship where they definitely could.
• 44:03
  Probably when, when you look at like the GBS, like Medal Hall
• 44:07
  now, you'll see like how many at least they sent and how many
• 44:10
  medals they got. And it will look, probably look
• 44:12
  pretty good because I think Katie got gold, you won George
• 44:17
  Andrew Bell got gold, Josh Kerr got gold, the high jump, the
• 44:19
  pole vaulter got gold. So probably really well, but you
• 44:22
  never know how many silver and bronzes they could have got if
• 44:24
  they actually sent a full team. And what the fuck, like World
• 44:29
  Athletics sets the state, like is setting this standard,
• 44:32
  creating these great quotas, hosting this championship?
• 44:35
  Like, yeah, I don't get it. The whole national, I just don't
• 44:42
  understand it. I don't know what I'm missing
• 44:44
  but. Bit of a bit of a love story for
• 44:48
  this Spanish fella. He did.
• 44:50
  The guy who won, he finished eighth in Nanjing, like the
• 44:54
  world indoors last year. And then he was out in the heats
• 44:58
  in Tokyo, just gone. And now here he is with the gold
• 45:01
  medal. That's just the cool thing in
• 45:04
  it. Like so many random things can
• 45:06
  happen. And we're not, we're not
• 45:09
  confusing him with the the on, is it?
• 45:14
  Is it Mario Garcia Roman? Yeah.
• 45:17
  I hope not it. Could be because.
• 45:23
  Because this guy, so this guy Mario, is it Mariano Garcia is,
• 45:30
  is different and he's won, hasn't it?
• 45:33
  He's he was only the first guy to win a indoor 800m and 1500
• 45:38
  meter title. So I think he's a formal, he's a
• 45:41
  world champion, indoor world champion.
• 45:43
  I think it's two time. No, that's the guy.
• 45:46
  That's the guy. He's, yeah, the Nanjing 2025 and
• 45:52
  then Tokyo. He had stinkers and then he's
• 45:54
  one ear. And then where's he won before
• 45:57
  he's won, he's won another. He's won the 800, isn't it?
• 45:59
  2022, yeah, he won the 800. There you go, come back from the
• 46:04
  clouds. Sticking around.
• 46:05
  Yeah, yeah, on to the women's 800 meters then, like you said.
• 46:13
  So Keeley Hodgkinson, surprise, surprise, got the win in second
• 46:18
  fastest time ever. I think they're saying 155.3
• 46:22
  from Audrey Vero, 156.64 silver and Anderson Wiley of the US,
• 46:28
  158.36. It's actually just reminded me
• 46:32
  to call you out on your Nathan Green pick in the men's 1500
• 46:37
  meters before we move on. Better let's run kool-aid, you
• 46:42
  reckon? Yeah, I actually just couldn't
• 46:45
  find a name to get around. Yeah, true.
• 46:47
  Like. So I just figured I like who I
• 46:52
  just went. Who won the US trials?
• 46:54
  I don't even know. Did he win the Usus trials?
• 46:57
  Yeah, I think so. And so I figured if they out
• 47:00
  kicked Nagusan Haka, are they a chance to then?
• 47:03
  And they've probably gone through the NCAA system, no
• 47:06
  tactics. That was my logic.
• 47:08
  So it was, I think there was some basis for it, but yeah,
• 47:13
  thanks. I've got another one in a minute
• 47:17
  when we get to the men's 800 meters.
• 47:21
  But yeah, no surprises Keely winning this.
• 47:25
  Or second, either was there. She moves really nicely.
• 47:30
  The the top 2 just look too good and we're too good.
• 47:36
  I didn't get that, could you try again?
• 47:39
  Who's that? Siri.
• 47:44
  Yes, I had Keely, Vero and Buffy.
• 47:46
  She was the other British girl. She went out in the semis, I
• 47:49
  think. Dean, you had the same.
• 47:52
  And Owen, you had Keely Guesichu Ghoul Topping.
• 47:58
  Yeah, very robbed by me, but sure, Keely just caught above
• 48:01
  the rest. And the fact that like 55
• 48:03
  minutes later she backs up with a leg in that 4 by 400 and runs
• 48:08
  A50 point, something like a 50.18 is just she's a machine.
• 48:15
  She loves lactic and that was the fastest.
• 48:19
  Wasn't that the fastest? Like she ran a long shot?
• 48:22
  Yeah, Yeah, by a long shot. So outrageous athlete.
• 48:30
  She's racking up some serious metal tally now as well.
• 48:34
  Yeah, too. Good and got the time.
• 48:36
  She's missing the. Record.
• 48:38
  She's missing the record. That's it.
• 48:41
  Maybe not for much longer. So now the men's 800 meters 17
• 48:48
  year old star boy from the USA, Cooper looking house got
• 48:52
  redemption from Tokyo. So if we think back to the US
• 48:57
  trials last year, we were buzzing, other people were
• 49:00
  buzzing because he ran 142 as a 16 year old, snuck onto the team
• 49:04
  as an unknown and then didn't live up to that performance in
• 49:10
  the championships, which is fair enough.
• 49:12
  He's only a boy. But then here he is, he's back
• 49:15
  first opportunity to put it right and he's gone and won a
• 49:19
  global gold medal. I think the youngest American to
• 49:24
  ever win a medal at a World Championships, world indoors and
• 49:28
  it's a gold medal. I think he's the youngest ever
• 49:33
  to win a world indoor championships.
• 49:36
  He's born in 2008, December 2008.
• 49:40
  He is like a baby. He has to go back to school now,
• 49:44
  on Monday, today. Yes.
• 49:46
  So in December he was 16. He's turned 17.
• 49:49
  Just December gone. Yeah, it's crazy.
• 49:54
  And like, you hear the boys hyping them up, piping them up,
• 49:57
  and you're like, he's hardly this good.
• 49:58
  And then he just goes and backs it up like fair play from
• 50:03
  because like it's really hard. I've obviously never been there,
• 50:06
  but I'd say it's really hard to do on like the world stage.
• 50:09
  Like put it all together and you could see like the World
• 50:12
  Championships sort of got him because he'd got knocked out in
• 50:16
  round one of the heats. And for him to just back it up
• 50:19
  here now and yeah, what a run. From the front as well, pretty
• 50:24
  much wasn't it? He controlled it.
• 50:28
  I think he went with like 300 to go.
• 50:30
  Umm and yeah, he just held out and I keep back good lads like
• 50:33
  Peter balls good around Christensen.
• 50:36
  He's got one of the world's fastest times this year and the
• 50:40
  Terry is really good as well. Like he didn't beat nobody see
• 50:43
  back. Really, really good runners as
• 50:45
  well. And Ball was looking good for a
• 50:48
  medal throughout the rounds. And even with what, like 50
• 50:51
  meters to go with something like he, he made his bed, didn't he?
• 50:54
  And he was looking like he could the snooker bronze, and then at
• 50:58
  how he does what bloody at how he does and just snuck his way
• 51:02
  through. Yeah, I think like you guys said
• 51:06
  it was like it was this like those top four like Peter Bowles
• 51:11
  running big cracked 143 Watt for the first time right in Perth of
• 51:16
  all places running that around our track.
• 51:19
  That's I wouldn't, I don't think is all that fast solo, like just
• 51:27
  in a random bronze mate. And so then so he's clearly very
• 51:33
  fit, right. And then a tower.
• 51:36
  He's like wheels on him are outrageous, aren't they?
• 51:38
  Like he just hangs back, hangs back and then just goes bang.
• 51:41
  He's like a slingshot. Yeah.
• 51:43
  And so it made for a really exciting race.
• 51:46
  But yeah, that looked in house. I get.
• 51:50
  I guess thinking about it when you run 142 at 16 and you know,
• 51:55
  physically you're not yet fully developed or you shouldn't be
• 51:58
  like you should have years of physical development, six months
• 52:03
  being six months older than then maybe you do pick up.
• 52:05
  And so like, whilst Peter Balls running really well, running
• 52:08
  143, this guy's a 142 guy and he was just too good.
• 52:12
  He's a big lad as well now, isn't he?
• 52:14
  I think he's maybe filled out a little bit since last year.
• 52:20
  It'd be a hard guy to pass. He looks quite wide, broad.
• 52:25
  But yeah, I was going to ask, how come you didn't go for
• 52:28
  Robert Johnson's protege here? Did I not put in for gold?
• 52:35
  I think you had the Belgian, you've got silver medal to be
• 52:37
  fair, but. I had them the wrong order,
• 52:40
  didn't I? Maybe they they oversold you on
• 52:43
  him. I haven't been listening to him,
• 52:46
  to be honest. The only reason why I went
• 52:48
  there, I went green. I went green in the 1500s
• 52:52
  because it was open. And I do back that NCAA system
• 52:56
  to be producing people that know how to be tactically run good
• 53:01
  tactical races. So.
• 53:03
  But I yeah, I legit, I remembered how Cooper ran in the
• 53:09
  World Champs and thought that when it came time to the big
• 53:13
  thing that he might not hold his nerve.
• 53:21
  It's a fair, fair call. Sorry, I've just opened
• 53:24
  Instagram whilst we're doing this and the post that comes up
• 53:27
  is run to Japan's like weekly post about his mileage and
• 53:31
  whatever. He's got his weekly distance 88
• 53:36
  K and then it also says believe it or not, and about 150 K of
• 53:41
  cycling we've got him on the bike.
• 53:49
  It may not be injured mate, it's just everyone's getting on the
• 53:51
  bike going. This chap would hate the bike.
• 53:57
  Iron Man day be penned and he said just need to touch up on my
• 54:00
  swimming. He can probably.
• 54:04
  It's easier to freestyle rap from the bike than it is
• 54:07
  running. It sounds like he's training a
• 54:12
  bit smarter, yeah. Get off the I'd see you in some
• 54:18
  lycra. Get him over to Perth and we'll
• 54:22
  take him on a river loof. You're more than welcome, Jake.
• 54:27
  As is Alex G. He's knocking around somewhere
• 54:29
  on the Gold Coast, isn't he? Yeah, he is.
• 54:32
  They all are. Do you see that?
• 54:34
  Oh God, we have to take it offline, not talk to Owen about
• 54:38
  it. But that 70.3 that was in
• 54:39
  Geelong. Yeah.
• 54:42
  That was a really good race. Half Iron Man on had yeah,
• 54:47
  Christian Blumenfeld, Hayden Wild and yell against just all
• 54:53
  the big all the big dogs down under.
• 54:57
  Well, they're all in Melbourne as well.
• 54:59
  We'll touch on the Murray company start lists, but there's
• 55:02
  some stacked races. They're a lot of them are going
• 55:04
  from Poland to Australia, which is a pretty quick turn around
• 55:09
  and but yeah, we'll go into that there.
• 55:13
  Go on, Well, you can take us back somewhere sensible to
• 55:16
  Ireland. Right.
• 55:18
  So in Ireland there was a pretty big.
• 55:21
  We need to give you credit for your predictions.
• 55:24
  Then you've got the wrap. Yeah, thanks guys.
• 55:28
  Well, yeah, I came last, so I'm excited to mention that.
• 55:32
  So we posted on our Instagram 321.
• 55:34
  So we all had a, we all had a guess on who we thought would
• 55:37
  win and we did some two points if you get the right person with
• 55:41
  the right medal. So you get them in the right
• 55:43
  order. One point if you just got the
• 55:45
  right person and they won a medal and the winner, well, last
• 55:50
  place was me. Tied for the first were Owen and
• 55:54
  Ryan. But the tiebreaker, we just have
• 55:58
  decided that is goes to Owen because he was the only one to
• 56:03
  get a perfect six from six in the men's three case.
• 56:07
  So well done on. So I get a pair of shoes from
• 56:13
  the run inside there is it? That's right.
• 56:21
  And I was good, correct, right. So back to Ireland, there was a
• 56:26
  pretty big 10K on the roads. So it's not many actually fast
• 56:29
  10K's on the roads in Ireland. So there was one which is
• 56:33
  actually in Mead, which is really so to me.
• 56:36
  And then last year it was like the National 10K, National Rd.
• 56:39
  10K, but this year it wasn't, but still got fast times.
• 56:42
  So the first place was at Colin Rooney who ran at 2934 from
• 56:47
  Conlef Harriers. Second was Owen Mcaleny, brother
• 56:51
  of Darren Mcaleny, he ran 30-O2, he's from Bantry.
• 56:54
  And 3rd was Owen Totten, he ran 3019 from Newcastle and
• 56:59
  District. And yeah, like Colin Rooney,
• 57:02
  he's the he, we've touched him a few times.
• 57:05
  He's he's 4041 and running that time, yeah, he's not letting up
• 57:11
  at all. On the female side, it was won
• 57:14
  by Sorka Nidono, she ran 3251, she's from West Limerick.
• 57:20
  Second was Cheryl Nolan, she ran 3255, so pretty close there.
• 57:25
  She's from Saint Albans AC. And 3rd was Claire Fagan, who
• 57:28
  ran 3335 from Munger Harriers. So yeah, good running from then
• 57:33
  guys. Apparently it was pretty good
• 57:35
  conditions as well. It's pretty flat course.
• 57:37
  So it's definitely on my hit list to do, but just not this
• 57:42
  year. Dean, can you pronounce sources
• 57:46
  surname? Nick, is that?
• 57:52
  Yeah. Yeah, you got the first right?
• 57:56
  Well, sort of. Well, I didn't even get that.
• 58:02
  Oh, you want me to have a go on that?
• 58:04
  Yeah, go for it. No, I don't even know what what
• 58:11
  is Waste Limerick is that. Is that waste?
• 58:13
  Is that? Waste.
• 58:14
  Sorry, that's my that's my spelling.
• 58:18
  That makes more sense. No, look.
• 58:21
  Oh, I would say Dominale. Dominale, Yeah.
• 58:26
  So it's sorry, Kenny, Donald, I think, I hope so.
• 58:32
  Can you don't know it's Irish? Yeah, I'm what?
• 58:39
  That was very. At this.
• 58:40
  Point here, Would you have got married wrong?
• 58:45
  How would you have gone guessing?
• 58:47
  I'll just say Domino. Domino.
• 58:53
  Yeah, not bad. For the people, for it's
• 58:55
  DHOMHNAILL. So yeah, write that down and
• 59:03
  look at it for a while and try and find out how you'd pronounce
• 59:06
  it. We should have a little game
• 59:09
  like pronouncing Irish names each week.
• 59:13
  It's too many, too many consonants and not of vowels.
• 59:18
  At this point I'd like to, I think made a bit of a Boo Boo
• 59:21
  last week with the New York Half Marathon, so got called out on
• 59:25
  it. And yeah, don't trust AI guys
• 59:29
  because that's what I was looking at when I was looking
• 59:31
  for the elevation and I was very much wrong.
• 59:35
  So it actually is a hilly course.
• 59:37
  So I take it back to the guys around really fast.
• 59:42
  It was heading. I think you you're very integral
• 59:45
  to apologize and go back on it, yeah.
• 59:49
  I'm sorry, when I'm wrong I'll call myself out.
• 59:55
  Training weeks, then I wouldn't. What have you been doing?
• 59:59
  Dean and I know what each other have been getting up too
• 1:00:01
  largely. Let's hear about your training.
• 1:00:05
  Right. So go by just standard rebuild
• 1:00:10
  week basically. Powered powered by Gnomeo, Mr.
• 1:00:14
  Omgren's trustee supplier of broccoli sprouts.
• 1:00:18
  And so on the one night just it was 45 minutes and strides in
• 1:00:23
  the morning, 11 K, 11.4 K and then in the evening for an easy
• 1:00:28
  double, I just got out for 30 minutes to shake out the legs
• 1:00:31
  7K. Now I have the option to cross
• 1:00:33
  train these days, but I know I'll probably might come back to
• 1:00:37
  bite me now in a couple of weeks.
• 1:00:38
  But the legs are feeling all right.
• 1:00:42
  Tuesday morning it was a little bit of a pickup, so I had 40
• 1:00:46
  minutes with a 15 minute pickup. And during this run and guys, it
• 1:00:54
  was so windy, like it was a joke, just enough, one run at
• 1:00:59
  all. So yeah, after 25 minutes I
• 1:01:02
  picked it up for 15. But yeah, not fun.
• 1:01:05
  It was around 10K average paces, 350 fives.
• 1:01:09
  These pickups are all done by heart rate, so I'm just sitting
• 1:01:11
  in between two zones. And that evening, I've been out
• 1:01:14
  for an easy level of 30 minutes around 442's, just literally
• 1:01:18
  shaking out the legs again. And then Wednesday was the run.
• 1:01:23
  We had to, well, I had to split this in 2.
• 1:01:25
  So it was 60 on the cards. It was 60 minutes and a few
• 1:01:29
  strides. But because the interview super
• 1:01:31
  early, got up really early from 30.
• 1:01:33
  And then in the evening, I don't another 30.
• 1:01:36
  And then I had my circuit class. Shit.
• 1:01:39
  She's on Thursday morning. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:46
  Wow. The things we do for the
• 1:01:48
  podcast. Thursday morning I had a wee bit
• 1:01:53
  of a session, sort of a different type of session that I
• 1:01:55
  normally do. So it was. 5 by 5 minutes at
• 1:02:00
  like an LT1 sort of level, but after each 5 minutes I picked it
• 1:02:06
  up for 20, so sort of a 22nd surge.
• 1:02:10
  So 5 minutes when I hit 5 minutes to search for 20 seconds
• 1:02:13
  and then go back down to that LT1 level.
• 1:02:17
  So sort of trying to flush the lactic, whatever that surge
• 1:02:21
  does. So yeah, 8K around 3, seventeens
• 1:02:25
  around the track. What are you using for LC-1 pace
• 1:02:29
  or heart rate? Heart rate, but pace is the ACT
• 1:02:33
  Don't even like paces are all over the place at the moment
• 1:02:35
  because I'm not really coming back.
• 1:02:37
  And I took my luckily after this, I think it was 1.7, which
• 1:02:42
  is which is all right. But again, you can't really
• 1:02:44
  trust the pace on this track because it's not a full like I'm
• 1:02:49
  running on the outside because I don't know if it's like a rumor
• 1:02:52
  or something, but I heard on the outside of the track it's 400
• 1:02:55
  meters, but if you're on the inside, it's 336.
• 1:02:58
  So I'm actually gonna have a trundle wheel in my Amazon
• 1:03:02
  basket. I might buy a trundle wheel to
• 1:03:04
  actually just measure it for, yeah, and just sort of getting
• 1:03:09
  there, getting the legs sort of moving again.
• 1:03:13
  Umm. Then Friday totally off.
• 1:03:16
  And then Saturday morning I started doing a little jog and I
• 1:03:19
  just didn't feel good. So umm, I didn't bother doing
• 1:03:23
  the session. I had umm, And then Sunday I
• 1:03:25
  didn't feel great either, which is why I didn't run the race.
• 1:03:28
  Umm, Now today I feel all right, so I'll probably run in the
• 1:03:30
  evening, but umm, yeah, I don't know what it was.
• 1:03:33
  So that was me. I think I've got around 6870 K
• 1:03:36
  for the week, but other than the little blip at the end, it's
• 1:03:39
  going in the right direction. No need to take any risks whilst
• 1:03:45
  you're just rebuilding. Well, me running twice a day
• 1:03:49
  probably is a risk, but I don't know.
• 1:03:51
  I sort of. I just hate the idea of going on
• 1:03:53
  a bike, especially after listening to you guys waffle on
• 1:03:59
  about it for the last three months.
• 1:04:03
  Out of principle is going to be all banged up and just avoid.
• 1:04:07
  Please, I would say that touch word.
• 1:04:10
  Sorry, no, you'll be fine. But you've you don't mind the
• 1:04:14
  elliptical and those sorts of things as other like if you've
• 1:04:17
  got another form of cross training that you enjoy, you
• 1:04:20
  just do that. Yeah, it's just I sucked off the
• 1:04:22
  gym membership because it was cost me £40 a month and all they
• 1:04:25
  do is the treadmill on it. So I yeah, I don't really have a
• 1:04:28
  gym anymore, but we'll see what happens in the future.
• 1:04:31
  Would you look to get an elliptical arm or anything like
• 1:04:33
  that? Yeah, I probably would.
• 1:04:35
  You know, it's just again, at the moment I'm waiting for
• 1:04:38
  payday on Thursday to just food in my mouth.
• 1:04:42
  So yeah, well, maybe come somewhere.
• 1:04:46
  We'll see what happens. Weren't you in Rome like a week
• 1:04:49
  or so ago? Yeah, but that's more for the
• 1:04:52
  head, like you just need to D ties.
• 1:04:56
  That's why I can't afford the elliptical.
• 1:04:59
  Throw it all in the Trevi Fountain or whatever it is.
• 1:05:02
  Yeah, a wish for one Donna kid Deal.
• 1:05:11
  Well, Speaking of, we'll get to it later.
• 1:05:13
  I'll come, we'll come to it. I want to talk about Solomon Kit
• 1:05:17
  where you can talk about it later.
• 1:05:19
  Then you give us your week and I'll, I'll just piggyback off it
• 1:05:22
  because we've done a bit together.
• 1:05:25
  Yeah, sure. So my week started off with an
• 1:05:35
  easy run, would you believe, to work, and then a run to the gym
• 1:05:46
  and then a lift on Monday, and then Tuesday was Tuesday
• 1:05:52
  morning. We did a workout, you and I run.
• 1:05:56
  So it was two. No, this was mile reps, wasn't
• 1:06:01
  it? So we did 5 by mile or you did 4
• 1:06:07
  and I did 5. And the pace I've got for my
• 1:06:11
  mile reps I've got and we might be slightly different just with
• 1:06:15
  GPS. We're doing a bit of a loop
• 1:06:17
  around like Munga, quite a few right angle turns.
• 1:06:21
  I think maybe like 5 right angle turns, which hopefully we don't
• 1:06:25
  do that tomorrow. Hopefully it's a bit smoother.
• 1:06:27
  Yeah. So we did.
• 1:06:29
  I was 318 three, 14317, three, 12308 the reps So the first of
• 1:06:37
  all we did together and then you just, you kept it at 4:00 and I
• 1:06:40
  did five. It was reasonably warm.
• 1:06:44
  I think from from memory, the reps didn't feel too bad, but
• 1:06:48
  that would have been the first time for you running at those
• 1:06:52
  paces. So maybe more interesting to
• 1:06:55
  talk about how you found it and pulled up.
• 1:06:58
  Yeah, I think like starting from tomorrow, I need to remember
• 1:07:03
  that we are two very different athletes and what's comfortable
• 1:07:08
  for you isn't necessarily comfortable for me or the
• 1:07:11
  purpose of the session. If you're running a certain
• 1:07:15
  pace, I'm getting something different from the session if
• 1:07:17
  I'm running the same pace as you.
• 1:07:19
  So I need to just run my own sessions.
• 1:07:23
  It's hard when it's like literally four or five seconds
• 1:07:27
  and therefore, like 10 or 20 meters.
• 1:07:30
  But it makes a big difference, doesn't it?
• 1:07:31
  So yeah, need to just do my own sessions because like, I got it
• 1:07:36
  done. But that's why I cut it from
• 1:07:39
  5:00 to 4:00 because I was probably working a bit too hard
• 1:07:42
  than it should have been. But it's all an experiment for a
• 1:07:46
  little while. It is a little bit like, I mean
• 1:07:50
  part of what you're trying to do is just load the foot up and
• 1:07:53
  make sure you get through it. And then because we're not at
• 1:07:57
  the limit of like we're not doing double threshold days and
• 1:08:01
  these big, you know, we're not even at the track doing VO2
• 1:08:04
  workouts. So my thinking is at the minute
• 1:08:08
  if we do spend a little bit of time like particularly stuff
• 1:08:11
  where we have static recovery. So we were doing these mile reps
• 1:08:15
  in around 5 minutes and then we would have 90 seconds static
• 1:08:18
  recovery. So you can't we, I have in the
• 1:08:21
  past when I do a lot of these workouts gone slightly over
• 1:08:24
  threshold. So but for me, I'm just trying
• 1:08:29
  to do them and get through them. I'm not focused necessarily on
• 1:08:33
  if my heart rate gets a little bit carried away.
• 1:08:36
  I, I care less. It's more about making sure I'm
• 1:08:39
  not sore. That was Tuesday.
• 1:08:42
  You. You picked the last one up as
• 1:08:44
  well I think, didn't you? Yeah, yeah, the last one was a
• 1:08:49
  little bit quicker, but I was, I was working pretty hard.
• 1:08:53
  Yeah, it was pretty warm on Tuesday and then that afternoon
• 1:08:58
  I just got out for an easy half hour.
• 1:09:01
  Wednesday, just two easy runs to and from work.
• 1:09:05
  Thursday is essentially like double threshold or double
• 1:09:09
  workout day. So we had, so I rode into Kings
• 1:09:15
  Park, it's about 10 KS. Then it's a 2020 minutes with
• 1:09:19
  the group going at a basically a tempo effort, albeit that that
• 1:09:23
  felt harder than tempo. That felt like there's a few
• 1:09:25
  guys racing either on the Sunshine Coast or at that
• 1:09:29
  Geelong 70.3 in the weekend coming up.
• 1:09:32
  So this was their last sort of hit out and you know how guys
• 1:09:35
  get ahead of when there are a few days out from a race when
• 1:09:39
  they're tapering and feeling fresh and they're feeling zippy.
• 1:09:42
  So the guys were feeling pretty poppy.
• 1:09:44
  So that ride at the 1st 20 minutes was harder than normal.
• 1:09:47
  And then because it was in, because I knew I had a bike in
• 1:09:50
  the afternoon, I just did the three.
• 1:09:52
  I only did three of the five reps up that cardiac climb and I
• 1:09:57
  sort of took the foot off the pedal, to be honest, a bit with
• 1:10:01
  those. How'd you find it right?
• 1:10:03
  Luke must be Luke must be a secret listener because just so
• 1:10:08
  happens that the week before we were bagging him out for his
• 1:10:12
  easy 20 minute team time trial pace and then the week after
• 1:10:17
  there he is trying to ring the necks of everybody.
• 1:10:22
  Yeah, he was flying around on the bike, wasn't he?
• 1:10:27
  But yeah, that was that was good fun up them hills.
• 1:10:31
  It's hard work on the quads though.
• 1:10:32
  Like it's not so much the the cardiac effort that you need to
• 1:10:38
  do it. It's more so just the muscular
• 1:10:39
  endurance. Like once your quads just seize,
• 1:10:42
  it's hard to come back from that.
• 1:10:44
  And the fatigue that you feel when you're running is so much
• 1:10:47
  different. Like this is so much more
• 1:10:49
  muscular, whereas running is like a mechanical breakdown or
• 1:10:53
  you you're blowing up and you gassed in your lungs.
• 1:10:56
  Whereas this is just like, Oh my God, the pain.
• 1:10:59
  It just burns so much. Yeah, that quad pain, I feel
• 1:11:04
  like you can sit with that quad pain more, and it's about
• 1:11:07
  getting accustomed to sitting with that, that fatigue.
• 1:11:11
  Like I feel that fatigue and I know it's like lactate and so I
• 1:11:15
  want to avoid it. But I think for cycling you
• 1:11:18
  probably can lean into it a bit more than what I do if you
• 1:11:22
  really want to get after it. But now you're thinking about
• 1:11:27
  your Thursday evenings, so there's there's a little bit in
• 1:11:30
  reserve. Exactly.
• 1:11:34
  So yeah, Thursday evening I had eight by K and they were
• 1:11:39
  309304303303304305304301, so most of them around that sort of
• 1:11:51
  304305 pace. One of the guys there, Andrew,
• 1:11:55
  who is joined the group but he's still coached by Xander, he was
• 1:12:01
  running all of his to 305 pace. So we pretty much after the
• 1:12:05
  first one when I realised it wasn't too hard, I just, I, I
• 1:12:09
  sat with him and that felt really nice.
• 1:12:12
  I didn't feel too bad to be honest.
• 1:12:14
  That was the quickest I've moved in a while.
• 1:12:16
  Felt mechanically, felt not too bad, a bit tight in areas, but
• 1:12:20
  nothing. Nothing.
• 1:12:23
  Yeah, nothing too worrisome, which is good.
• 1:12:26
  And was he bang on three oh fives?
• 1:12:27
  Or were you just like like kicking at the end so you're OK,
• 1:12:31
  OK kicking him at the end, try and get the win.
• 1:12:33
  I yeah, there's a bit of that. I no, there we were halfway
• 1:12:39
  through the Rep and the pace, the pace looked like it had
• 1:12:42
  slowed down. So I picked it up and then I'd
• 1:12:45
  looked back after picking it up for a little bit and realized he
• 1:12:49
  didn't change. And then I realized I'd probably
• 1:12:52
  didn't need to do that. And then Luke picked it up, went
• 1:12:55
  round me and started taking off. And then you have a decision, do
• 1:13:00
  you? What do you do there?
• 1:13:02
  Fair play to Andrew because that's hard when boys are just
• 1:13:05
  kicking on for holding back. Every second, Rep Luke would
• 1:13:11
  finish about 15 meters ahead, turn, turn to everyone after and
• 1:13:15
  go. Sorry fellas, my fault.
• 1:13:17
  That was me. That was me.
• 1:13:22
  I'll never forget my hair. My very first session with front
• 1:13:25
  runner, he absolutely buried me. And Ralph was like, Joe, yeah,
• 1:13:30
  just hold on to the backbone. And I'm like Ross.
• 1:13:33
  And it was around Kings Park, over hills, asking how chills.
• 1:13:39
  Yeah. So he might be there tomorrow
• 1:13:41
  morning, apparently. So just what we?
• 1:13:45
  Need so I'll definitely be running my own session.
• 1:13:53
  But yeah, no, I'm Andrew, literally on the dot.
• 1:13:56
  Every Rep is very, very measured, very impressive.
• 1:14:00
  So good training, good training partner, although you need all
• 1:14:03
  types. I think Friday I did ran into
• 1:14:09
  the office and then I did a bit of a run into Leaderville and we
• 1:14:13
  got Yochi. So it was a good evening.
• 1:14:16
  Evening run Saturday. YouTube buy one get one free on
• 1:14:22
  Wednesday. With the like group ride, you're
• 1:14:26
  joking. I've missed that.
• 1:14:27
  I didn't realize. No when?
• 1:14:29
  Wednesday coming 2 days. Oh, hot date, you reckon?
• 1:14:37
  That's that's the thing I miss most about Australia.
• 1:14:40
  Yochi Yochi. It's so good for all the people
• 1:14:44
  who don't know, it's like a frozen yogurt place, but you can
• 1:14:47
  like add your own toppings and you get loads of different
• 1:14:49
  flavors. It's it is the best thing.
• 1:14:51
  No, it's an absolute rob because it's done by weight and oh God,
• 1:14:56
  so good. Do you know what they had for
• 1:14:58
  about a month or a month 20? 1000 steps thing.
• 1:15:02
  Yeah, free. Yeah, they lost.
• 1:15:06
  So much money I'd say. Story for that so Andrew who
• 1:15:11
  Ryan's had who's baited Ryan into racing him on the bike.
• 1:15:15
  Andrew won more Sunday morning. He did his 25,000 steps pushing
• 1:15:20
  the pram for three hours got to Yochi for 2O got to Yochi at
• 1:15:24
  1:40 because it only applies to 2:00 PM.
• 1:15:27
  He got served at 2 O 2:00 PM and they denied him the they
• 1:15:32
  wouldn't on honor his Yeah, three hours yeah.
• 1:15:39
  Well, I would have been emailing them.
• 1:15:43
  Yeah, he took it on the chin. Anyway, that would have killed
• 1:15:50
  him. Mate he loves a bargain.
• 1:15:55
  Shout out to to him because I wouldn't have front door rear
• 1:15:58
  lights on my bike without him. So yeah, so we did our group
• 1:16:04
  ride on Saturday and that was quicker than normal.
• 1:16:07
  That's getting quicker and quicker that group ride, but
• 1:16:09
  it's good aerobic stimulus. So for context, like that ride,
• 1:16:17
  including me pottering in to the ride, my average heart rate's
• 1:16:21
  here 145, whereas my run it's like 135.
• 1:16:28
  And then that afternoon I just went for an easy 30 minute run
• 1:16:35
  or 40 minute run in the afternoon.
• 1:16:36
  And then Ryan, we met up on Sunday and we ticked off 90
• 1:16:40
  minutes in just under 4 1/2 minute K pace.
• 1:16:47
  So it was my week 100 and 112 KS and of running and 140 KS are
• 1:16:53
  running. How many weeks is that now since
• 1:16:58
  since you last like down week not down week but you know you
• 1:17:02
  little set back. Well, I rode due when I rode
• 1:17:09
  that way because I've just rode for a week because it just in
• 1:17:12
  case that week. That was six weeks ago.
• 1:17:17
  Oh. Yeah, So you have solid six
• 1:17:20
  weeks build continuous since, Yeah, getting pretty fit
• 1:17:25
  quietly. Getting there.
• 1:17:29
  It's good. But you're not racing British.
• 1:17:34
  Well, what I'd done in between that was I just, I only ran.
• 1:17:40
  Tuesday was the session with Dean, Thursday morning the bike
• 1:17:44
  session and then Thursday evening I jogged because then
• 1:17:48
  Friday morning I wanted to do a bit of a second session and we'd
• 1:17:53
  spoken to RAF. I'd spoken to RAF, perhaps
• 1:17:55
  indirectly. I took from the conversation
• 1:17:57
  that like I don't need to be chasing fitness, like trying to
• 1:18:02
  do loads of threshold work as such because the bike has
• 1:18:05
  provided so much of that. It's more so reintroducing the
• 1:18:09
  mechanical load to the body, to the legs and importantly through
• 1:18:13
  the heel to kind of test these the faster paces and stuff and
• 1:18:17
  get back condition to running those paces.
• 1:18:20
  So on Friday morning took it upon myself to do an attempted 8
• 1:18:25
  by 800 meters, and I say attempted because I'd done four
• 1:18:30
  and then realised that I'd probably set too fast of a pace
• 1:18:34
  for myself. So I think the first four were
• 1:18:39
  like 233, which is maybe 310 per K pace off a 75 second stand.
• 1:18:47
  And then I thought, tell me right or wrong, rather than
• 1:18:51
  continue to regress through the reps, I shortened the Rep length
• 1:18:55
  to try and keep the same pace for the exposure to the
• 1:18:59
  mechanical load, if you will. So then I've done 2 by 6
• 1:19:02
  hundreds and 2 by 4 hundreds. So I mean, I was, I was goosed
• 1:19:10
  after that. I haven't moved that quick in a
• 1:19:13
  year, but still to rack up like whatever it was 5 KS worth of
• 1:19:18
  volume at that pace is a good sign.
• 1:19:21
  And hail was a little bit sore that evening afternoon, but then
• 1:19:25
  by the morning it settled again. So I think maybe just about the
• 1:19:30
  right amount of stimulus, maybe a little bit of a warning sign
• 1:19:34
  that like, you can't be doing full on sessions like that.
• 1:19:38
  Yes. And you're not fully out of the
• 1:19:39
  woods. So yeah, then didn't run
• 1:19:43
  Saturday and yet 90 minutes with Dean Sunday, which felt good.
• 1:19:46
  Felt good Sunday evening, felt good Monday morning.
• 1:19:49
  So good to go for tomorrow I think.
• 1:19:54
  And if this bridge is being, you have to stream it.
• 1:19:57
  He's getting fit, this guy. He's he's putting all the bricks
• 1:20:02
  in place, isn't he? For an assault?
• 1:20:04
  Yeah, yeah. Some big names going to go down.
• 1:20:07
  He he was giving me the strategy of of last year's win, where to
• 1:20:14
  push, where to hold back, where it gets tight, where the little
• 1:20:17
  risers are and yesterday's long run.
• 1:20:23
  I was just, I was giving him the how to do it.
• 1:20:29
  All the bikies are going to be spent over that first bridge.
• 1:20:32
  After 10 minutes, I was. Going to say when Matthew and
• 1:20:36
  blown off by 5K. You reckon you'll get to 5?
• 1:20:44
  No, I'll be stepping off in South Perth and getting the
• 1:20:49
  ferry back to Elizabeth Key. Yeah.
• 1:20:55
  No, look, it's about given where we were.
• 1:20:59
  Remember, we were just two, you know, grumpy old cyclists not
• 1:21:03
  that long ago. Look where we are now, slightly
• 1:21:07
  less grumpy running cyclists. So we got to take that.
• 1:21:14
  This is it. And I did say to you, yes, on
• 1:21:16
  Sunday, yesterday, like I have to remember now just because now
• 1:21:21
  I'm starting to do some sessions.
• 1:21:24
  It was only like some point in February where I ran 10K
• 1:21:30
  uninterrupted for the first time.
• 1:21:31
  And we're still in the month of March.
• 1:21:33
  So like it's important to slow down as well.
• 1:21:37
  Slow down the like progression or the rate of return that is.
• 1:21:43
  Yeah, and just what you're doing.
• 1:21:44
  Because certainly don't want to be going back there.
• 1:21:49
  No. But yeah, it's I've found now
• 1:21:53
  that I'm spending a lot of time during the working day just
• 1:21:58
  thinking about the next time I'll get to run, thinking about
• 1:22:01
  what bloody splits are going to be.
• 1:22:03
  You know, like fully back in the game mentally when you're just
• 1:22:07
  excited to run and you're thinking about what races you
• 1:22:10
  can do and all this, which is good, but jeez, yeah, I forgot
• 1:22:14
  about how much it occupies you mentally to.
• 1:22:17
  So you got all your split start in for tomorrow.
• 1:22:21
  Well, no, because we don't get the session revealed, do we?
• 1:22:24
  Which is probably a good thing, unless you know what what we're
• 1:22:27
  doing. Even if I did, I wouldn't tell
• 1:22:31
  you. Better just to just rock up.
• 1:22:34
  Yeah, well, I wouldn't be sleeping of the Gnomeo sat there
• 1:22:41
  ready to go. 630 anyway. That's training weeks.
• 1:22:45
  Another week done, another week heading in the right direction.
• 1:22:48
  We've got some news, I think. When are you going to tell us
• 1:22:52
  about this? 10K maybe?
• 1:22:55
  Yeah, so it's one probably one of the main.
• 1:22:57
  No, if probably is the main track 10K that people go to to
• 1:23:02
  try and like hit standards because on the track there's not
• 1:23:06
  many high quality 10 KS and yeah, this one is absolutely
• 1:23:11
  stacked. And from an Irish point of view,
• 1:23:14
  you've got Efrain G Day who's around 2726.
• 1:23:18
  From Aussie standpoint, you've got Brett Robinson, he's flying
• 1:23:23
  over, he's around 2751. And you've got Kai Robinson.
• 1:23:27
  This will be his. I think it's trapped in K and
• 1:23:29
  debut. He's only got a 12:58 to his
• 1:23:32
  name, 1245 K. Then from Auk standpoint you
• 1:23:38
  have got all the the Cowboys. So you've got Emile Crassus,
• 1:23:44
  Ellis Cross. Sorry, Ellis Cross.
• 1:23:46
  You've got Scott B, You have Roy Leonard, EH, David Malarkey.
• 1:23:52
  And then other mentions are Woody Kincaid and Mike Foppin.
• 1:23:58
  Yeah, it's just Drew Bosley. It's just absolutely stacked.
• 1:24:02
  And like looking at the, I don't even know who you'd call because
• 1:24:07
  you don't really know what shape anyone's in.
• 1:24:09
  But like, if you're Brett Robinson, you know, just sit and
• 1:24:12
  ride that train because you're going to be brought around to a
• 1:24:14
  very, very fast time. Is it Gulvia Singh that was was
• 1:24:21
  he's 3rd at the? New York, Yeah.
• 1:24:26
  New York, that's the same, yeah. Be interested to see how he
• 1:24:31
  backs up. Do you think it's the likes of
• 1:24:33
  him and then maybe Kyle Robinson?
• 1:24:36
  Who like who? Who do you think of the the guys
• 1:24:41
  to to Mark? Like there's no, it's not going
• 1:24:45
  to be run and 26 high. I don't think it'll be like a 27
• 1:24:49
  low maybe. So, yeah, you read like, I think
• 1:24:54
  Callum Nelson's actually pacing this race to 3K and which just
• 1:24:58
  says it that like, it's gone. Well, it's probably will be very
• 1:25:01
  fast if he's only going to 3K and but yeah, I don't know who
• 1:25:05
  to call. I'd love to see like the like
• 1:25:06
  Scott B, He'd be interesting to see how he does 10K on the track
• 1:25:10
  because it's just a different beast to tank on the road.
• 1:25:12
  It's just laps on laps on laps. And but yeah, don't know who to
• 1:25:17
  call. Well, funny, given our
• 1:25:20
  conversation the other week about Joe Wigfield and the
• 1:25:24
  British distance guys at the minute, we'll get a pretty good
• 1:25:27
  indicator when Rory Land, Scott, BC and the likes have a crack
• 1:25:32
  here. Yeah, and after being in flag
• 1:25:36
  for the last couple of weeks, they're going to be fair.
• 1:25:39
  Like if they time it well coming down from altitude, like it'll
• 1:25:43
  be really, really interesting to see how how the boys go.
• 1:25:46
  If you're going to pick one, because if we got a horse in the
• 1:25:49
  rest, so you're picking. From G Day.
• 1:25:55
  Can't call her. I'll go Robinson.
• 1:26:01
  There we go. There.
• 1:26:03
  You go. We're all loyal.
• 1:26:06
  On the on the women's side, and again, it's pretty stacked.
• 1:26:12
  You've got a lot of them, Americans and Brits, really.
• 1:26:16
  On the British side you have Izzy Fry, Lucy Jones and you
• 1:26:22
  have got Alexandra Millard, Hannah Irwin.
• 1:26:25
  On the UK you've got Shelby Hooligan and he's probably the
• 1:26:31
  biggest name and you've got choice.
• 1:26:33
  Associated with the UK, USA. Do you know what you said?
• 1:26:40
  No, You said show, show. You said Shelby.
• 1:26:44
  I look good. He.
• 1:26:46
  Knows exactly what he said you did.
• 1:26:49
  It. Umm no, but yeah, I got it
• 1:26:53
  interested to see how they go 10K umm, I think it's not as
• 1:26:57
  strong as the Mansfield like joy Chuck coy, like joy chapter
• 1:27:02
  Toeic like she has the fastest PB by by a little bit.
• 1:27:06
  But yeah, again, not a big big 10K because there's.
• 1:27:14
  Commonwealth Games and European outdoors, 10,000 meters places
• 1:27:19
  or per grab. So I guess that's what lots of
• 1:27:21
  these will be targeting. There's also a fifth men's 1500
• 1:27:27
  that's worth mentioning that has got Brandon Miller from the US.
• 1:27:31
  It's also got Ali Hor and Mario Romo, Mario Garcia, the other
• 1:27:37
  one, and Dylan Jacobs. So yeah, again, another a big
• 1:27:42
  1500. Be interested to see Ali Hora
• 1:27:44
  goes because he's hasn't had the best run of things recently.
• 1:27:48
  Hopefully as a good one could do with some confidence in a decent
• 1:27:52
  run, couldn't he? Yeah, I'm surprised he didn't
• 1:27:56
  come over to Australia to run that Murray plant, mate.
• 1:28:01
  It's deeper, but yeah, that's. Speaking of which.
• 1:28:06
  We don't. Want to do those money plant
• 1:28:08
  fields? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:28:11
  So we'll start off with the men's 3K, which is absolutely
• 1:28:18
  stacked. So you've got Brian Faye in it.
• 1:28:22
  You've got Adam Goddard, James Hansen, Logan Janetsky, Morgan
• 1:28:26
  McDonald, Stu Mcslane making his debut for the OEC Settle,
• 1:28:30
  Donald, Jack Rayner. Yeah, it is just so, so deep.
• 1:28:36
  And I hope this will be streamed because nor because it's a gold
• 1:28:41
  label. They might stream on that World
• 1:28:43
  Athletics. But yeah, that's the men's 3K.
• 1:28:50
  Next we'll go for the women's 3K.
• 1:28:52
  Let me just look for it. Who just hasn't not?
• 1:28:56
  One Swain make making his own debuts huge, hopefully.
• 1:29:04
  Morgan like, yeah, it's very hard to call.
• 1:29:11
  Surely you have to go, Brian Faye, your man.
• 1:29:15
  Yeah, I am, yeah, say true to my brother.
• 1:29:20
  I'm going to have Stewie. All right, we'll go for.
• 1:29:22
  The women's. Training long enough.
• 1:29:25
  Oh, I don't know. Yeah, Seth O'Donnell will be
• 1:29:27
  there like he's run a fast 3 KII think I'll go set and we'll go
• 1:29:34
  over to the women's. Now the women's equally A
• 1:29:36
  stacked you've got Rose Davis carafe Ryan Georgia Griffiths
• 1:29:41
  and not real Marty sky ring and they're I can't really oh Rose
• 1:29:49
  Davis come back from injury now. Georgia Griffiths fit a probably
• 1:29:54
  it's going to be a show between both of them.
• 1:29:56
  I'd probably go Georgia. Yeah, it's not a bad shot.
• 1:30:01
  I'll go Rose Davies to be different.
• 1:30:05
  And Ryan is struggling with the Wi-Fi and Ryan's gone.
• 1:30:12
  I think the men's 1500 this, the John Landy Cope or whatever you
• 1:30:19
  call that guest Super Stack, Jack Anstey, he's going to have
• 1:30:24
  a point to prove. You've got the Brit turn and
• 1:30:26
  Kroger and Callum Davis. Robert Farrakhan has come from
• 1:30:30
  Germany because from worlds and Jude Thomas as well.
• 1:30:33
  So it is so, so deep. And they have a pacer.
• 1:30:38
  They have a pacer. So it will be fast.
• 1:30:42
  Oh, who's who are you going to tip in that one?
• 1:30:45
  I think Cam. Myers is a different base this
• 1:30:48
  year. Like Adam Spencer, he's gone.
• 1:30:53
  He has to be tired. So.
• 1:30:56
  Yeah, I'm going for Cam Myers. I'll go.
• 1:31:01
  I'll go Jack Anstey just for. Because you want to say it.
• 1:31:05
  And Ryan is going to go for turning Kroken.
• 1:31:09
  Represent his countrymen. That right, Ryan?
• 1:31:13
  Yeah, my man, my horse in Jr. stable.
• 1:31:18
  My noble state, well go to the women's. 1500 meters now and.
• 1:31:27
  Sarah Billings, you've got Abby Caldwell, you've got Linden.
• 1:31:31
  Hall, Jayla. Hancock, Cameron, Claudia
• 1:31:33
  Hollingsworth, Georgia Hunter Bell from Ireland, Laura
• 1:31:36
  Nicholson and Sophie O'Sullivan. And you've got a Dutch woman,
• 1:31:41
  Diane Vanness. It's yeah, so, so deep again.
• 1:31:46
  And I want us that Diane. She just raced New York.
• 1:31:52
  Half. The other week.
• 1:31:55
  Is that her? She came fourth.
• 1:31:57
  She's run like 1430 or so and. She's European 5K.
• 1:32:01
  Record holder. I think she OK, I should know
• 1:32:06
  her then she's run. Four O 2 for the mile.
• 1:32:09
  For the 1500, sorry for 1500 in this one, George Hunter Bell.
• 1:32:15
  Surely she can't pull it off. I've gone for Claudia.
• 1:32:21
  Nah. No way.
• 1:32:26
  Well, you've got Abby Caldwell, and I'll be.
• 1:32:28
  Called when it has literally won every single Australian race.
• 1:32:30
  There is this year and Sarah Billings is going to be fit as
• 1:32:33
  long and Linden Hall OK George on to Bill depends how she
• 1:32:40
  handles the jet lag she. Hasn't got much time to get over
• 1:32:43
  it. She doesn't need to, she's like
• 1:32:47
  on top of the first class. She's gonna be playing first
• 1:32:49
  class lie down. Just go for now, yeah?
• 1:32:53
  Didn't was what? Was it the other week?
• 1:32:57
  Was it Hobart? Or Adelaide, where Claudia ran
• 1:33:01
  358 though herself. Yeah, yeah, fastest debut by an
• 1:33:06
  Aussie. In Australia or?
• 1:33:08
  Something to that effect. So that's like that's in the
• 1:33:11
  mix. But I mean, yeah, on paper.
• 1:33:14
  George is surely the classier athlete but could be an upset
• 1:33:21
  bro it. Depends out.
• 1:33:23
  How much she celebrated the. World indoors.
• 1:33:28
  And if we got the 800 to round it out, yeah, so.
• 1:33:31
  There is no women's 800 as. Far as I can see, the men's 8.
• 1:33:35
  100 again, a few boys flying across so Peter Ball is going to
• 1:33:40
  try and go. For it, you've got Luke.
• 1:33:41
  Boyce, Peyton Craig and some trap from Israel.
• 1:33:45
  Nom mom, AUSA guy, Grant Grosvenor and Daniel Williams
• 1:33:51
  guy so he'll be interested. He gets on the big dogs.
• 1:33:56
  Fair play for pulling that off like some fields then.
• 1:34:01
  There's paintball run 142. I didn't realize that.
• 1:34:04
  Was that true? That's what it's saying on his
• 1:34:10
  one for 255, yeah. Was that in Monaco or?
• 1:34:15
  Yeah. Probably last year and last year
• 1:34:18
  the 100 popped. Off she.
• 1:34:20
  Was, but yeah, that's more implant lads like that'd.
• 1:34:25
  Be if it wasn't so far away. From Percy, definitely down
• 1:34:27
  there. It's so deep.
• 1:34:29
  I think Raff's going over, yeah. And we may as well touch on.
• 1:34:37
  The women's pole vault has Nina Kennedy.
• 1:34:41
  It's got him, Yeah. She's making her return, so
• 1:34:45
  hopefully have to call her because she's my friend.
• 1:34:48
  Met her in the sauna. So yeah, let's go.
• 1:34:51
  Nina, that's. Twice you've mentioned pole
• 1:34:57
  vault this. Episode you're talking about the
• 1:34:59
  the British girl pole. Vaults as well actually.
• 1:35:02
  May as well throw in Mando has he's doing a soundtrack for the
• 1:35:06
  ultimate. Chance or something like that.
• 1:35:09
  I did see this. Didn't he get offended because?
• 1:35:12
  Someone asked him about. Like if the Greek guy was going
• 1:35:15
  to be rapping on his song or something.
• 1:35:17
  As they know, there's also a half marathon in Berlin Which?
• 1:35:23
  Of relevance has got. Jake Smith, Mark Scott, Johannes
• 1:35:27
  Muchman. I don't if anyone knows him.
• 1:35:29
  German guy. Henrik Feiffer.
• 1:35:31
  German Phil Sessman. So there's a few Brits in the
• 1:35:34
  mix. Johnny Malla, I'm Mel Petros.
• 1:35:39
  He's the marathon runner. He's unreal.
• 1:35:42
  Yes, Sam. Parsons based in the US, Yeah,
• 1:35:46
  making his debut, Yeah, I did say.
• 1:35:48
  I did say commentary on their website that Petros is hoping to
• 1:35:54
  shoot for the European record, which I think is like 5831.
• 1:35:59
  Is that arm grades or she a best?
• 1:36:01
  It is, yeah. Stay away from that.
• 1:36:04
  Yeah, so. That'll be 1 to watch.
• 1:36:08
  I don't know too much about this, but we obviously have seen
• 1:36:10
  a heap of footage of the Burleigh Marathon and we know
• 1:36:14
  how fast that is. That used to prior to Valencia
• 1:36:17
  be sort of the race to seek out if you wanted to run, you know,
• 1:36:22
  run a PB. So I can only assume this is
• 1:36:25
  going to be a very fast course. Yeah, it's one of the big ones
• 1:36:29
  in the build up for like London and.
• 1:36:31
  Boston and all. That ones and it's might be
• 1:36:34
  rapid and it was announced I think either through his latest.
• 1:36:39
  YouTube video. But, and it's definitely on his
• 1:36:41
  socials that Jimmy Wheel and Ozzy is running that because he
• 1:36:45
  just paced. He just went through what, 25 KS
• 1:36:49
  of the Barcelona marathon? Well, no, what what marathon was
• 1:36:53
  it? Was it that.
• 1:36:54
  Yeah, marathon in Spain? Yeah.
• 1:36:57
  And what? He has a place in Barcelona.
• 1:36:59
  Hey, like he literally went past his doorstep apparently, which
• 1:37:05
  sounds quite nice. A lot of those pro cyclists find
• 1:37:07
  themselves a little getaway little Spanish cottage
• 1:37:13
  somewhere, don't they? Yeah, no bad gig about setup at
• 1:37:18
  all. But he's what's he run 6137, so
• 1:37:22
  he's hope he might be hoping to. What?
• 1:37:26
  Maybe shoot for the Aussie record, I don't know, in his in
• 1:37:31
  his new Solomon Stumpers. I just couldn't contextualise if
• 1:37:37
  because did. You see?
• 1:37:39
  This is segueing into YouTube Diaries, but did you see his
• 1:37:43
  latest video where he talks about his pacing gig and you see
• 1:37:46
  his get up? Because he's a Solomon sponsored
• 1:37:49
  athlete and like he moves so well and it's just so strange to
• 1:37:54
  think that he might be running the Australian half marathon or
• 1:37:58
  ma marathon record in a pair of Solomon shoes.
• 1:38:02
  But they're all equal. Like they're all using the same
• 1:38:04
  technology nowadays. Like just minute.
• 1:38:06
  Differences. But that's that, if that's ever
• 1:38:10
  an advertisement for that statement.
• 1:38:12
  It's where you get a a a notoriously like a trail
• 1:38:16
  company, right? That's all we I associate them
• 1:38:19
  with, putting together the a shoe that produces the fastest
• 1:38:23
  ever result for a distance race by an Australian.
• 1:38:28
  It's pretty cool. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:38:31
  I was going to say that until you see someone run.
• 1:38:33
  Faster now, I would have said. Solomon's a blue trail brand
• 1:38:36
  now, Yeah, shifts your perspective on the.
• 1:38:42
  On the brand and the potential because and.
• 1:38:46
  Yeah. I mean, are we on to YouTube
• 1:38:47
  Diaries? I think we've the YouTube
• 1:38:51
  Diaries we're going to talk about were Jimmy.
• 1:38:53
  Willan's video where he. Recaps his pacing gig at
• 1:38:57
  Barcelona half. I think it's it.
• 1:38:59
  I feel like it's going to be a good follow because he's
• 1:39:01
  announced that he's going to target a marathon in the
• 1:39:03
  second-half of this year. And he hints at that, talking
• 1:39:06
  about it. And you hear a couple of the
• 1:39:07
  comments he makes in the video where he's like, because he did
• 1:39:10
  the 25 K pacing job job and then after he did that, he's like,
• 1:39:14
  that wasn't too bad. So then he helped someone at
• 1:39:17
  like 330K pace to the finish line and then does a cool down
• 1:39:21
  and then he comes in and he turns to the camera.
• 1:39:23
  He's up like easy sport isn't it isn't because compared to the
• 1:39:29
  hours of work that is cycling, he's like this running capers
• 1:39:33
  ain't so bad. So maybe the the little injury
• 1:39:37
  had a couple of months ago as well might have.
• 1:39:40
  Been well timed that like he's he's learned where the limit is
• 1:39:43
  early on and now he can like reframe training to be a little
• 1:39:47
  bit smarter and because he was already from a very high level
• 1:39:51
  of fitness anyway because he'd done that Valencia run.
• 1:39:56
  I'd be curious to know like because he.
• 1:39:58
  Is coming from. Such a an elite cycling
• 1:40:01
  background and he's transitioning to running.
• 1:40:04
  Why he's not looking to, or if he is and we just don't see it,
• 1:40:09
  incorporate more cycling into his training week.
• 1:40:13
  Like he seems to handle a great amount of mileage so maybe he
• 1:40:17
  doesn't find the need to. But with the expertise that he
• 1:40:21
  has, I'd be interested to understand why he doesn't or
• 1:40:24
  what benefits. Or if it's more rethinks running
• 1:40:26
  is more specific. It'd be interesting to hear his
• 1:40:28
  reflections on that or if you've heard and I just haven't heard
• 1:40:31
  it. No, I mean what I'm thinking is
• 1:40:34
  he could probably give me some great perspective.
• 1:40:37
  On. The balance of my cycling slash
• 1:40:39
  running split and whether I'm accumulating a nice level of
• 1:40:44
  fatigue or if I'm just putting myself in the oven if I
• 1:40:46
  continue. Yeah, and directionally like,
• 1:40:50
  like we do joke a bit, but. Like, yeah, for example, Jake,
• 1:40:54
  how many? I saw Jake's video, like the the
• 1:40:56
  Instagram post with the the bike.
• 1:40:59
  Yeah, cops got a bike. Like a lot of people are using
• 1:41:01
  it as a as a tool, as our way. It'd be good to get someone to
• 1:41:06
  unpack how best to do that, because I'm perhaps naively
• 1:41:11
  thinking that you can get away with.
• 1:41:13
  Intensity on the bike one day, intensity run the next day,
• 1:41:17
  which like maybe on paper you can, but over time is that level
• 1:41:21
  of like fatigue going to creep up on you?
• 1:41:27
  Speaking of shoes and shoe brands, the other.
• 1:41:29
  Video and I don't know if you guys watched this was.
• 1:41:31
  Clayton Young's first video ahead of his latest marathon
• 1:41:36
  venture. So he's coming off the back of
• 1:41:37
  an injury and he announced in his video that he's switched
• 1:41:41
  from as a as an athlete, Essex athlete to a Brooks athlete.
• 1:41:47
  And he basically said, look, I've got a four year window to
• 1:41:49
  get the most out of myself. I think he seems fairly focused
• 1:41:53
  on the LA Olympics coming up and he chose Brooks.
• 1:41:58
  And part of the reason he chose Brooks is because he has a whole
• 1:42:01
  team of people that are going to be focused on putting together
• 1:42:04
  the best footwear for him. Because he acknowledges that
• 1:42:08
  performance footwear is what he needs if he is to get, you know,
• 1:42:12
  advantage himself the most in his in his running.
• 1:42:15
  And apparently he did some economy testing with the shoes
• 1:42:18
  that are available and was very pleased with the results.
• 1:42:21
  Which is yeah, just, which is cool as well because I would
• 1:42:26
  feel like if I if you asked. Me for my top. 4 shoes to go to
• 1:42:29
  at the minute. I wouldn't put the likes of
• 1:42:31
  Solomon or Brooks in my top four.
• 1:42:34
  Yeah, which is annoying because now we're going to eventually be
• 1:42:37
  influenced. And we'll end up having to buy a
• 1:42:40
  pair of Brooks Clayton Young, you know, the dramatic music.
• 1:42:44
  And he's like. Overlaid with his like calm but
• 1:42:48
  serious thoughts as the start of every video I know it's I find a
• 1:42:53
  very good hook captivating time. Yeah, yeah, I'm glad that he's
• 1:42:58
  back on the series. But it feels like it's been a
• 1:43:00
  while. Yeah, I really want to be
• 1:43:03
  training up for a marathon at the same time I.
• 1:43:05
  Feel like it crescendos not. Nicely with your own running.
• 1:43:10
  I'd be interested to see how he goes because he was saying he's
• 1:43:12
  going to be undercooked. Well, normally comes.
• 1:43:15
  Into a marathon, like a bit overcooked, so be interesting.
• 1:43:18
  He said he's going to be undercooked this time because
• 1:43:19
  it's going to be a shorter build than usual, so hopefully he goes
• 1:43:23
  well. And how's that few cuts to
• 1:43:26
  Connor Manz in amongst? Like Connor's just doing his.
• 1:43:29
  Own training and just go on full gas, isn't it?
• 1:43:33
  It'd be good cool to see them back in the same race again,
• 1:43:36
  won't it? Yeah, Hell yeah.
• 1:43:41
  Double trouble. I've got one.
• 1:43:43
  I know Dean's going. To defend it when I'm
• 1:43:48
  interested, whether you support it or whether you're feeling
• 1:43:52
  defensive and kind as well. But I just seen it was the Rome
• 1:43:56
  Marathon over the weekend and I've seen something and it
• 1:44:01
  triggered me. I might, I'm nervous to say it's
• 1:44:04
  might offend a few people. But anyway, it's only my
• 1:44:06
  opinion. It's not, it's not a rule, but
• 1:44:10
  so seeing a few people walking around, no, I won't make it.
• 1:44:14
  A lot of people talk about the concept.
• 1:44:16
  You've run a marathon year and a half marathon.
• 1:44:18
  You're a 10K. Often you will receive a medal
• 1:44:22
  as part of your completion of that race and you can do
• 1:44:28
  whatever you like with that medal.
• 1:44:29
  You can hang it up on your ball, you can throw it away, or you
• 1:44:33
  can shove it in a drawer and never say it again.
• 1:44:35
  However, what you do with the Mara, the medal on the day of
• 1:44:40
  the race, after the race and in the days coming from the race
• 1:44:45
  can trigger me. And this Rome Marathon triggered
• 1:44:49
  me because I've seen a couple of people taking their medal out
• 1:44:55
  for the evening meal and for the evening drinks and then continue
• 1:45:00
  to wear it potentially to travel home and stuff like this.
• 1:45:04
  Now I'll offer you your opinions in a minute because I'm
• 1:45:07
  conscious my might be a bit extreme or a bit judgy and I was
• 1:45:12
  trying to land on some sort of sensible ideology with it.
• 1:45:17
  So I'm thinking you could you can wear your medal after the
• 1:45:23
  race if you go for food straight away, if you go and for drinks
• 1:45:28
  straight away, but then as soon as you go home and have a
• 1:45:31
  shower, the medal cannot go back on in race attire.
• 1:45:39
  It's acceptable. But in casual.
• 1:45:41
  Lifestyle You can't be putting your medal on to go to the pub.
• 1:45:49
  I don't have a. Problem with that?
• 1:45:51
  Like like yeah, I don't know why.
• 1:45:54
  Like at the end, like when you're gonna have for drinks,
• 1:45:56
  you can see people who have the medals on.
• 1:45:58
  I'm like, ah, fair play both. The day after that, yeah, no,
• 1:46:01
  they don't bring into work the next day let's them like for the
• 1:46:06
  day that's in it. You can.
• 1:46:08
  If you run the full team, I don't agree.
• 1:46:10
  What? That LA Martin don't given the
• 1:46:11
  mail for like 18 miles, which is just yeah, not on for I think if
• 1:46:17
  you're around the marathon like it is, it's some achievement
• 1:46:19
  like 42 K like it is crazy distance.
• 1:46:22
  And so yeah, let them wear it. Let them.
• 1:46:28
  I wouldn't. But Dean, yeah.
• 1:46:32
  You already know my. Have you?
• 1:46:38
  Have you worn yours out ever? No, but I wouldn't lie.
• 1:46:43
  But that's not. But what I I don't run a.
• 1:46:46
  Marathon to complete a marathon. I run a marathon for
• 1:46:50
  performance, whereas a lot of people it's it's the
• 1:46:53
  accomplishment of a marathon. So, OK, fair.
• 1:47:00
  Well, I thought it fit nicely in the double trouble.
• 1:47:02
  Category and thought I'd get it out there.
• 1:47:05
  That's good. That's just stupid.
• 1:47:09
  I should have gone. Harder like you're.
• 1:47:10
  Going to do a. Double trouble.
• 1:47:12
  Just fucking. Own it and RIP into someone.
• 1:47:15
  Yeah, you're stop apologizing. Very mild.
• 1:47:19
  Yeah, it's a. Mesa of a double trouble in
• 1:47:22
  double trouble going to Nando's and getting like.
• 1:47:28
  Barbecue. Sauce can't even complete a
• 1:47:33
  double. Trouble I'm aware of myself.
• 1:47:38
  It's because you're back running.
• 1:47:40
  Yeah, you lost. That edge?
• 1:47:42
  Too many endorphins. Floating around.
• 1:47:45
  Clearly, I mean did the one that floated.
• 1:47:48
  To you offline, that would have. Yeah, no, I'm glad you went with
• 1:47:52
  what you want. Me so.
• 1:47:58
  I reckon that could be us. Anyone got any last thoughts,
• 1:48:00
  comments. Podcasts.
• 1:48:04
  Just some good racing coming up this week.
• 1:48:06
  So I'm excited to see what that Melbourne.
• 1:48:07
  Meet does and yeah, can't wait for like April.
• 1:48:11
  I feel like it's a big marathon month.
• 1:48:13
  And so yeah, it's excited to see how like you're following all
• 1:48:16
  these different journeys on YouTube, even like Ben felt and
• 1:48:19
  doing Berlin next week. You're just following all these
• 1:48:22
  journey that's exciting to see like what the people can do.
• 1:48:26
  That's a good shout actually. Oh, unlike in terms of because
• 1:48:29
  like there's a lot of. These content creators that are.
• 1:48:31
  About to crescendo into races. So it is a it's not it feels,
• 1:48:35
  because we talk about like the top end of the sport and like
• 1:48:37
  how shit it is with doping news, whereas I feel like this part of
• 1:48:41
  the sport is actually the most fun bit.
• 1:48:44
  It's good, isn't it? Often after like the the major
• 1:48:46
  champs, there's a bit of a low period.
• 1:48:48
  But no, it's just. Straight into marathon season we
• 1:48:50
  go again, my fellas. Thank you.
• 1:48:53
  See you next week. See you guys.
• 1:48:55
  Thank you guys. Ciao.
• 1:48:56
  Good luck. Easy double hit, repeat.
• 1:49:01
  Headphones on where you sit with your feet, Long run, miles of
• 1:49:04
  the commute Blues. We're right.
• 1:49:05
  There running alongside you. Easy double, same old crew
• 1:49:09
  Deanie join Ryan talking and do from the first warm up to the
• 1:49:12
  final bell. This is easy, double and you're
• 1:49:14
  doing it well.