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JFK ASSASSINATION - Ep. 300 - This Is Sparta! · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 1: Hey there, this is Mark Kruber along with my girlfriend
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  Speaker 1: Derek Kuntley from America's Really Old Stories. You are about
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  Speaker 1: and one of my favorites, the Lone Gunman Podcast. Now
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  Speaker 1: here's Rob and Joe.
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  Speaker 2: that right now. On with the show. Here's Joe B
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  Speaker 2: and the Triple B. Hey and you Dean. How's things
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  Speaker 2: in Texas?
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  Speaker 3: Everything is going to heyl down here in Dustice Jan Joy,
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  Speaker 3: Me and Joey Rock, Don Game.
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  Speaker 4: And Jomy Joey and.
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  Speaker 5: Jim be man Be and Joey Rock Cocky y' rade.
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  Speaker 6: I Cham Jam.
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  Speaker 4: And here we go and here we go, Here we go. Indeed, welcome, Welcome,
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  Speaker 4: everyone to this milestone episode of a show, episode number
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  Speaker 4: three hundred of the Lone Guming Podcast. I am a
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  Speaker 4: one of two of your hosts, the Triple B, Big
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  Speaker 4: Bad Bob otherwise known as Rob Clark, and alongside me,
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  Speaker 4: you always handsome and ever dashing Joey scars Brelli.
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  Speaker 7: What's up, Joe, Hey, what's up, buddy? And congratulations three hundred.
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  Speaker 4: Wow it's a big one. It's a big one, that's
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  Speaker 4: what she said. But yeah, uh, it took her a
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  Speaker 4: long while to get here. Believe me, a little over
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  Speaker 4: ten years, to be exact. And uh, you know throughout
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  Speaker 4: multiple iterations of the show, you know, I've quit the
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  Speaker 4: show a couple of times and I've came back and uh, oh, man,
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  Speaker 4: don't tell me, ah, I'm lagging. Gosh, dang it. All right, Joe,
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  Speaker 4: why don't you talk to the people while I've sort
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  Speaker 4: this out here? Because I don't want I don't want
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  Speaker 4: to show to be all jacked up. So go through
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  Speaker 4: the comments, welcome everyone in, and I will be right back, sir.
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  Speaker 7: Sounds good, buddy. First of all, thank you John as
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  Speaker 7: always Loose Moose crew supporter since episode two, stay loyal
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  Speaker 7: during the sabbaticals away from podcasting, and pleased by your
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  Speaker 7: partnership Joe, John, Very nice of you to say. And
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  Speaker 7: you know, I can only imagine you know, doing this
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  Speaker 7: for ten years, as Rob has.
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  Speaker 4: I've been doing this for about seven.
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  Speaker 7: Or eight months. And every week is it's it's a
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  Speaker 7: lot to prepare for it because you guys don't what
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  Speaker 7: you're talking about. With the JFK assassination. You can't just
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  Speaker 7: wing it or just not prepare. So I understand taking
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  Speaker 7: a sabbatical or two, especially when you do this type
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  Speaker 7: of research, for sure, but we ain't going anywhere. And Trey,
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  Speaker 7: you are the best. Thank you, sir. I always appreciated,
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  Speaker 7: and as well as Paula Jane, thank you as well.
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  Speaker 7: And let me say hi to some other people while
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  Speaker 7: Rob gets situated here. Thank you, Garden and Guns. Congratulations
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  Speaker 7: on the three hundredth show, Tiny Dancer, Thank you, South
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  Speaker 7: to West.
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  Speaker 4: How are you today, sir?
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  Speaker 7: And Lee?
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  Speaker 4: How are you?
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  Speaker 7: Ashlee? Thank you very much, Peter, thank you, Scott, Thank
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  Speaker 7: you very much, sir. It's a big accomplishment for this
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  Speaker 7: type of space. And Rob was one of the first podcasters.
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  Speaker 7: And while he's away here, I will tell you that
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  Speaker 7: I have been secretly compiling different audio messages from recent
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  Speaker 7: some we've had on some we haven't, just friends, and
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  Speaker 7: we're gonna have some cool messages for Rob and.
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  Speaker 4: It will be really cool. He doesn't he hasn't hurt
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  Speaker 4: them yet.
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  Speaker 7: So thank you, Mike, and I will tell Rob about
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  Speaker 7: this later. But Mike turned fifty years old this past
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  Speaker 7: I believe it was Tuesday, right, Mike, And I hope
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  Speaker 7: the five oh has found you well so far. You
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  Speaker 7: said it is going well the fifth decade, and I
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  Speaker 7: hope that continues for you, sir. Thank you, Ev Bungled
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  Speaker 7: of course, always a pleasure. Colleen, our mutual rocket queen.
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  Speaker 7: How are you, Sally? Thank you for staying up. We
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  Speaker 7: love you over there.
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  Speaker 4: Let's see.
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  Speaker 7: Anyone else.
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  Speaker 4: Past Monday. I'm sorry, Mike, it was Monday, not Tuesday.
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  Speaker 4: And uh yeah, we trust your Your fiftieth decade is
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  Speaker 4: going well so far for sure.
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  Speaker 7: Three hundred that spells moon. I'm not sure what should
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  Speaker 7: mean by that, but uh yeah. So I have some
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  Speaker 7: cool messages for Rob later from a bunch of people
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  Speaker 7: that you probably wouldn't think would send messages, and it
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  Speaker 7: will be really fun. We have some JFK stuff to
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  Speaker 7: get into tonight, and yeah, yeah, it's key not to
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  Speaker 7: burn out. But you know, Rob, when I.
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  Speaker 4: Think it was the fourth of July episode when I
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  Speaker 4: was like, should we take a week off?
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  Speaker 7: It's fourth of July. The show with the July was
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  Speaker 7: on a Thursday, and the show was on a Friday night,
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  Speaker 7: and I was like, should we take a week off?
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  Speaker 7: Like what the audience wait for it for another week?
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  Speaker 7: And He's like, no, no, no. So he is not
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  Speaker 7: burning out and he has had a lot of persistence
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  Speaker 7: and energy and you wouldn't think that he's doing.
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  Speaker 4: Episode three hundred for sure. And so at seven pm
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  Speaker 4: Eastern time on.
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  Speaker 7: The thank you, Paul, appreciate it. Good evening to you, sir,
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  Speaker 7: seven pm Eastern and at night and this morning at
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  Speaker 7: seven pm Eastern time, I was filming, filming, recording and
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  Speaker 7: out of the Blank episode with Robbie Robertson and that
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  Speaker 7: should be up sometime next week. I apped not only
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  Speaker 7: like six bars, but like sixteen barber.
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  Speaker 4: Myself. Okay, I'm not frozen anymore.
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  Speaker 7: Hellelijah, Yeah, I said hid sorry about and I wished
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  Speaker 7: h mister Michael a happy fiftieth as well.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you? Yes? Did you sing? Did you sing for him?
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  Speaker 4: I didn't. I was waiting for you, sir. Okay, we
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  Speaker 4: need to sing to Mike. It was his birthday Monday, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday,
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  Speaker 4: Big Mikey. Happy birthday to you and many more. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: welcome to the fifty club, Mike. Welcome to the fifty club, buddy.
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  Speaker 4: It's all downhill from here, believe me. Yeah. But what
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  Speaker 4: I was trying to say earlier is that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's been a long journey to get here to three hundred.
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  Speaker 4: There's been a lot of ups, there's been a lot
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  Speaker 4: of downs. But through it all, you know, I've got
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  Speaker 4: we've got now a ton of loyal supporters of the show,
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  Speaker 4: friends of the show, listeners, watchers, lurkers, whatever you want
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  Speaker 4: to call them. They exist. They're out there. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: we have a little microcosm here when we go live,
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  Speaker 4: but this microcosm is probably, you know, fifteen hundred times,
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  Speaker 4: you know, just about every episode. So even though you
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  Speaker 4: might not show up here, there's tons of people that listen,
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  Speaker 4: there's tons of people that email us, and there's tons
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  Speaker 4: of people that support us. And wow that the accolades
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  Speaker 4: are rolling in. Paul, what's up, buddy? Thank you sir?
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  Speaker 4: How do how do how do to you? We appreciate it,
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  Speaker 4: thank you, We appreciate it. But yeah, you know, sometimes
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  Speaker 4: and like I said, I've quit the show a couple
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  Speaker 4: of times out of frustration with audio equipment, out of
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  Speaker 4: frustration of or just burnout basically of you know, researching
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  Speaker 4: the Kennedy thing. But yeah, I think we're gonna get
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  Speaker 4: a good place now that you know, everybody is. Everything's
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  Speaker 4: going good. Things got changed up last year, you know,
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  Speaker 4: from just an audio only podcast to video from just
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  Speaker 4: me to bringing Joe on board as a co host.
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  Speaker 4: I actually tried to give this show away, Joe, did
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  Speaker 4: you know this? I tried to give this show away
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  Speaker 4: to someone, a Facebook friend, and thank looking back now,
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  Speaker 4: thankfully he didn't take it. But I completely offered this
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  Speaker 4: entire show up to hand it over as hey, if
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  Speaker 4: you'd like to continue to do it, here you go.
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  Speaker 4: Everything is yours. The name, the listeners, the following, it's
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  Speaker 4: all yours. Yeah, but he didn't take the bait jail.
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  Speaker 7: Well, thank you, God, thank god.
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  Speaker 4: And what I was telling some of.
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  Speaker 7: The audience while you were resetting your router Internet was,
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  Speaker 7: you know, I can only imagine your feelings over you know,
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  Speaker 7: almost ten years.
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  Speaker 4: Because in the fourth of July episode, I was like,
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  Speaker 4: should we take a break for a week. It's the Friday.
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  Speaker 7: After the fourth of July, which was the Thursday, like
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  Speaker 7: maybe you know, take a week off and you were like, nope, nope,
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  Speaker 7: We're continuing. So his stamina is more than ever and
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  Speaker 7: and we motivate each other to keep going. And I
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  Speaker 7: of course couldn't be more honored to be part of
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  Speaker 7: this podcast and this research journey that we all are on.
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  Speaker 4: And I'll save my.
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  Speaker 7: My official thanks for later after I play some messages.
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  Speaker 4: Rob Oh, we have some surprises, do we? We have
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  Speaker 4: some surprises. Joe has been behind the scenes working hard
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  Speaker 4: to you know, have some people reach out for the
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  Speaker 4: three hundred, and I have no idea who they are,
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  Speaker 4: what they're going to say. So this should be a
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  Speaker 4: good one. This should be a good one. I'm excited.
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  Speaker 7: And I'm trying to figure out which one to play first.
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  Speaker 7: It's really funny. But and because I am terrible at technology,
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  Speaker 7: and I did spend like half an hour resetting my
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  Speaker 7: Facebook and Facebook Messenger password because that's where a lot
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  Speaker 7: of the people send me the audio images.
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  Speaker 4: Put it on my computer, I couldn't.
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  Speaker 7: I can play it, but it would then show my
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  Speaker 7: chat and I don't want to do that.
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  Speaker 4: So uh no, no, we don't want to show that. Joe.
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  Speaker 4: I sent it to myself. I sent it to myself,
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  Speaker 4: but since my mic is usually hot in general, we
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  Speaker 4: should be good. Well, we'll see if this works. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: if it doesn't work, we'll does have to show your screen.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, sounds pretty good.
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  Speaker 9: Hey, Rob, this is st Patrick from the midnight writer
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  Speaker 9: news show in Garrison, the Journal of History and Deep Politics. Wow,
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  Speaker 9: three hundred episodes of the Lone Gunman podcast. It's quite
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  Speaker 9: an amazing feed now for those listening. I'm sure that
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  Speaker 9: we really don't give you enough credit for doing three
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  Speaker 9: hundred episodes on one topic, the JFK assassination, because I,
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  Speaker 9: for one, could not to do it. My historical interests
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  Speaker 9: are way to add for that. But you have stuck
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  Speaker 9: with this, and you have been in the lead on
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  Speaker 9: being able to break historical news through documents, and you
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  Speaker 9: have persevered in a way that I don't think anyone
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  Speaker 9: else really has in the sort of JFK podcast world.
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  Speaker 9: Three hundred episodes, I mean, come on, but this is
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  Speaker 9: not an easy community to be in, as you know,
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  Speaker 9: and you have persevered through that as well, which is
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  Speaker 9: also a monumental feat. I also want to tell everyone
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  Speaker 9: that you were the very first person to email me
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  Speaker 9: when I first began the midnight writer news show and
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  Speaker 9: you were so kind. You are so encouraging, and I
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  Speaker 9: have never forgotten that. And look, I don't want to
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  Speaker 9: ruin your reputation as this tough kid, but you've constantly
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  Speaker 9: been one of the nicest, most supportive people in this
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  Speaker 9: field to me. So on number three hundred, I want
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  Speaker 9: to say thank you, congratulations, and here's the three hundred more.
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  Speaker 4: Wow. Wow, such kind words from st Patrick, whose show
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  Speaker 4: that I guest hosted many episodes, maybe you know, ten
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  Speaker 4: episodes or so in addition to do in this show
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  Speaker 4: and quick hits as well. So you know, this is
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  Speaker 4: episode of three hundred long of a podcast, but really
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  Speaker 4: there's a shit ton more of Your Boy episodes and
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  Speaker 4: stuff that I've done. And it's just crazy. Ten years.
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  Speaker 4: What a long And I told this to Mike earlier,
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  Speaker 4: So what a long, strange trip it's been.
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  Speaker 10: Man.
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  Speaker 4: Never ever thought that this show would get a million downloads.
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  Speaker 4: We're now at a million plus for such a tiny
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  Speaker 4: little show that has a very small niche subject. My god, dude,
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  Speaker 4: I never in a million years would I ever ever
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  Speaker 4: thought we get to a million downloads. Never ever would
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  Speaker 4: I thought there'd be episode three hundred. But here we
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  Speaker 4: are so thank you ST. That means a lot coming
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  Speaker 4: from you, my friend guys. Thank you so much, ST
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  Speaker 4: and uh oh, and thank you Dean, big Dean coming through.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you Dean, much appreciated.
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  Speaker 7: Are you ready for them?
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  Speaker 4: We might be millionaires by the time this show's over, Joe,
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  Speaker 4: I mean lead day. We might be able to fund
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  Speaker 4: your Lancer trip so you could hire someone else to
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  Speaker 4: watch the warehouse on Friday. Got jokes.
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  Speaker 7: The Doug and I have been conspiring. And by the way,
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  Speaker 7: a lot of these messages come from the help of Doug,
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  Speaker 7: and I'm saving his for last. Of course, I might usurpent.
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  Speaker 7: I might be the last, it might be the second last.
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  Speaker 7: We'll see how it goes. And are you ready for
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  Speaker 7: the next one?
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  Speaker 4: Rob?
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  Speaker 7: Yes, one of the most And I met this person
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  Speaker 7: at Lancer.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not going to say the name until.
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  Speaker 7: After maybe one of the nicest people I've ever met
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  Speaker 7: in my life ever.
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  Speaker 4: Call am intrigued.
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  Speaker 11: Oh Rob, this is Gail Nicks Jackson. Congratulations on your
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  Speaker 11: three hundredth episodes. Seriously, three hundred. It didn't even seen
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  Speaker 11: that long, does it. But here I'm gonna tell you
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  Speaker 11: but did you know this? It takes three hundred digits
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  Speaker 11: to number one and thirty six page book. Can you
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  Speaker 11: believe that this is your book.
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  Speaker 4: My friend? And I'm so honored to be a part
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  Speaker 4: of it.
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  Speaker 11: You know, the world is a better place with you
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  Speaker 11: in it, and you, my friend, are the cream of
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  Speaker 11: the JFK research crop. Congratulations, Rob, congratulations.
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  Speaker 4: I'm speechless. I mean, wow, yeah, love Gail to death. Wow.
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  Speaker 7: There might be some tears shed on this TLG for
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  Speaker 7: the first time. Not tears of laughter, No, there usually are.
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  Speaker 7: And uh, all right, damn you, Joe, I know right,
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  Speaker 7: all right, we're getting it out of the way early here.
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  Speaker 4: Next up we'll see three episodes.
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  Speaker 7: Three wrong person that was yeah, but that's that's not
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  Speaker 7: the person I wanted to say. Listen, I forwarded all
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  Speaker 7: these messages to myself as to not like I was
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  Speaker 7: gonna reply because Doug sent me a lot of them
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  Speaker 7: and be like this person's this person's and I spared
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  Speaker 7: him of that. So here we go with the next
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  Speaker 7: person who is also associated with Lancer.
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  Speaker 10: Hey, Rob, congratulations on the three hundredth episode of the
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  Speaker 10: Locome and pod cast. It is truly one of the
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  Speaker 10: best I've ever heard in the field of the JFK assassination.
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  Speaker 4: Keep it on my friend, and that.
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  Speaker 7: Ladies and gentlemen, is of course, Kenneth Zedeker.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, Kenneth means a lot, buddy.
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  Speaker 7: And I guess this is a good segue to the
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  Speaker 7: next message, which is a friend of Kenneth. You probably
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  Speaker 7: guess where I'm going. And I asked him to send
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  Speaker 7: a message, and he did, but he sent like a
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  Speaker 7: message with like the few first few seconds of it,
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  Speaker 7: like a response to my request for a message. But
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  Speaker 7: I thought it was so funny, and I asked about this.
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  Speaker 7: I was like, can we keep this in here because
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  Speaker 7: this is hilarious. Well, here we go, Hey.
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  Speaker 4: Joe, I can definitely do that. I'd love to. I
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  Speaker 4: see where do I start. I don't really have much
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  Speaker 4: to say about.
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  Speaker 7: Rob.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, he he's a great guy.
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  Speaker 13: He uh he's he's doing a lot of really good
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  Speaker 13: research and I like what he's done.
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  Speaker 4: He made it very very great.
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  Speaker 13: Uh lancer presentation with Joe And yeah, congratulations on three
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  Speaker 13: hundred episodes of the Lone Gunman podcast.
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  Speaker 4: And that's from Alex Harris.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, thank you, my happiness and I have a funny
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  Speaker 7: follow up message because I said, that's perfect.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna keep that part in. But that was almost
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  Speaker 4: a backhanded compliment.
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  Speaker 7: Well, he said, I don't have anything to say about you,
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  Speaker 7: and then he said stuff about you, which, to be fair,
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  Speaker 7: he didn't know that part was going to be in it,
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  Speaker 7: but I.
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  Speaker 4: Just thought it was so funny. Well that that's the
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  Speaker 4: Alex way. And look, we love Alex to death. Great
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  Speaker 4: young researcher and very smart, very smart dude. So you know,
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  Speaker 4: and like I said, I've been talking to him for
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  Speaker 4: a while, trying to help him where I can. You know,
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  Speaker 4: he's trying to put a movie together, to write a book,
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  Speaker 4: to reenactments. I mean, he's all over the place. He's
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  Speaker 4: on the sixth floor or history yep. So yeah, and
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  Speaker 4: you know the follow up, Oh did he yeah? Okay,
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  Speaker 4: did he forget? Yeah? That sounds pretty good, Joe.
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  Speaker 8: I guess it's not really true that I don't have
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  Speaker 8: much to say about.
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  Speaker 4: Him, because you know, I've he's done a lot for me.
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  Speaker 4: I've done a lot for him.
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  Speaker 8: In fact, the reason that I met him was because
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  Speaker 8: ken had uh oh, Kenneth had.
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  Speaker 4: Said that he wanted me to send him the.
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  Speaker 8: Copy of the Martin film from the sixth for museum's
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  Speaker 8: website that i'd gotten before they took the website down
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  Speaker 8: back in summer twenty three.
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  Speaker 4: To prove that it had darkened.
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  Speaker 13: But yeah, and he's of course, he's done a lot
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  Speaker 13: for me, and.
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  Speaker 4: You know, so I feel free to use this message there, right.
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  Speaker 7: But yeah, I just just because you actually said that
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  Speaker 7: right before I played the second part, that you had
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  Speaker 7: helped him and he had helped you. And that's exactly
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  Speaker 7: what he said. But thank you very much. Alex Harris,
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  Speaker 7: of course the JFK theorist on YouTube, and he's go
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: to his YouTube channel. His oral history is as the
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: Week and it's very interesting.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: Rob.
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: He mentions the Martin and Doyle film. Yes, and so Rob,
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: I actually.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: Didn't know this.
• 24:11
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna stop the messages for a second to talk
• 24:14
  Speaker 7: to talk some JFK. So apparently Doyle is what Alex said.
• 24:19
  Speaker 7: Got about one seventh of his video back from the FBI.
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they claimed that the that their movie was altered
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: as well missing parts.
• 24:31
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yes, sir, And apparently only half of that one seventh,
• 24:36
  Speaker 7: which I guess would be one fourteenth, has been released,
• 24:39
  Speaker 7: which is the part that we've shown on I think
• 24:42
  Speaker 7: to John T. Martin episode and another part you know
• 24:46
  Speaker 7: with the oswal fractice there and apparently, and if I'm
• 24:52
  Speaker 7: phrasing this wrong from his oral history, go back and
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: wat watch it and and then correct me. But apparent
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: currently the Doyle family is holding the rights to the
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: other one fourteenth of it.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: It's very weird.
• 25:07
  Speaker 7: I yeah, So apparently what we know is the Doyle
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: film isn't all because you remember when we tried to
• 25:14
  Speaker 7: get the film, we had to pay like that library
• 25:16
  Speaker 7: to get the time stamp off.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: That, yeah, which we didn't do. There's hundreds of dollars, right, yeah,
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: we left the time stamp on. Yeah.
• 25:27
  Speaker 7: But apparently there is more to the Doyle film. I
• 25:32
  Speaker 7: could be wrong. This is what I remember from the
• 25:34
  Speaker 7: oral history. If I'm wrong, I apologize, Alex. But very
• 25:37
  Speaker 7: interesting because he probably told me that and I didn't
• 25:41
  Speaker 7: remember or comprehend it correctly.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: But very interesting.
• 25:45
  Speaker 7: So let's before I play the next couple things, let's
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: I want to just look at the comments here. I
• 25:57
  Speaker 7: think we listen to every show.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: Thank you Dean again and for your super chat. A
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: long way from doing the show in your truck, Rob,
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: Ain't that the truth? And damn it, I'm choppy again.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: What is going on here? The deep state does not
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: want this to be a happy three hundredth Joe. I
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: literally just reset the router and I'm still frozen.
• 26:36
  Speaker 7: Unbelievable, a very little bit for sure. People in the chat,
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: let us know if it's if it's if.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: It's unwatchable, I'll reset it again. But exactly hopefully it'll
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: clear up here in a minute, because there's no reason
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: why I should be lacking like this testing the speed.
• 27:02
  Speaker 7: Three hundred Martins salute you. We have about thirty, and
• 27:10
  Speaker 7: I went through most of them rob today, and this
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: will be a long gun and exclusive because I've recorded.
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: I told some of the people here earlier recorded Out
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: of the Blank day with Robbie, and I went through
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: all the Martins and I as I was going through it,
• 27:26
  Speaker 7: I was like, this is going to confuse everyone.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: I'm unfrozen, so it's good enough. Hopefully it'll stay okay, good.
• 27:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll let you know if you sound more choppy
• 27:40
  Speaker 7: the most.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: Let's see. So we got that.
• 27:43
  Speaker 7: We got that. Oh and we have a special special person.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: I've never even met this guy, although he's a legend
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: in my own in the world of cickets. We'll see
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: who this has gone.
• 28:02
  Speaker 14: Okay, it is is Mobo a couple of years ago,
• 28:07
  Speaker 14: being rough shout of working.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: Together a little bit, and uh we sure know that ship.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: What do you want from me?
• 28:16
  Speaker 7: Short and sweet?
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: Gee? Thanks Momo, asshole. Momo is the greatest. Okay, yeah,
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: I have never met Momo personally, but I'm looking forward
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: to I have met Momo personally. Great dude. Yeah, bit
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: of a dick though, How so you don't know who
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: Momo is, Joe, Oh, I know, I'm saying, how so
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: was it? Well, that's obvious. You just played the audio
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: of him being a dick. He's a dick to be
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: on the show all the time because he's short and
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: sweet to the point, he's condescending. He's very condescending that movement.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: All right, Well, I have.
• 29:11
  Speaker 7: Well, Momo does great work on quick hits, so we'll
• 29:16
  Speaker 7: we'll give him a break there. But we have the
• 29:18
  Speaker 7: next message coming up right now, Ladies and gentlemen, hold up.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: I lowered my volume because I'm an idiot, and I yes,
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: tiny dancer, Father Guido Sarducci, I think that's the point,
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: all right, next versus seventies if there's a bustle in
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: your hedgerow. Don't be alarmed.
• 29:51
  Speaker 12: Now, it's just big bad Bob Clark and smiling Joe
• 29:56
  Speaker 12: Morelli dropping episodes on the good people of Earth. This
• 29:59
  Speaker 12: is Greg Wagner offering my congratulations to Rob, Joe and
• 30:02
  Speaker 12: the entire staff of TLG for reaching three hundred episodes.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: Nice work, gentlemen. Thank you Greg. That's Greg Wagner from
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: the website Tango Down nineteen sixty three dot com, which
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: you can find a plethora of awesome, awesome research and
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: documents and photographs pertaining to the anti cast Cubans and
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: more the depository employees. It's a great repository of information.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: So thanks Greg. That means a lot, my brother. I
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: appreciate it.
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: Yes, and thank you Greg as well.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: We're gonna have to have Greg on this show for
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: too long too drop some knowledge.
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: I would love it. I haven't personally met or spoken
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: with him. I know him through you and obviously through
• 31:02
  Speaker 7: Doug and uh. But I Facebook friended him today and
• 31:07
  Speaker 7: he accepted very quickly, so that means we're friends.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: So Greg's good people. He's he's a made he's a
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: made man, so he's.
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: A maid man.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: I love it, Yes, I love it. Uh, all right,
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: we got one more mm hmm if I could find
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: the Hey, uncle Tony, drop a link and we'll check
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: it out in real time. How about that? Catch me outside?
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: How about that?
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: That's bad Bobby, not bad baby. All right.
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: So now we have this skufus goots. I don't really
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: like him, but he sent a message.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: And what are we going to do? Oh lord?
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Three hundred episodes, three hundred episodes, three hundred episodes. That's
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: three hundred chapters of knowledge of true real critical thinking.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: That's three hundred auditory chapters of using logic and reason
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: in the study of the murder of.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: Our thirty fifth president.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: Congratulations, my man, you're my favorite jfk assassination researcher. You're
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: one of the most knowledgeable people regarding the subject that
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: I've ever had the pleasure of knowing. You created what
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: is simply the best, the best podcast on the subject
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: that has ever been produced by anybody. Oh yeah, TLG
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: is the standard and beyond that, apart from that, truly
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: one of the best friends I've ever had.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: That's off to you, big homie. Job sure, kind words
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: from brother Doug, and that's coming from somebody who is
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: also a JFK podcaster, and his show is my favorite
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: show to listen to when it comes to this stuff. So,
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: and I'm not just just because we're good friends. If
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: his show was dog shit, I'd tell you you know
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: what I mean. But it's my favorite show. Doug prepares
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: and pours his soul into every episode that he puts out,
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: and wow, coming from him, I praise so thank you,
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: Doug Campbell, my brother from another mother. Yes, sir, we
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: started this journey together ten years ago, and you know
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: that was the idea, was to do a show together, Joe,
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: when I met Doug and two fourteen at the conference
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: and we came up with the idea to do this.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: But you know, back then for two very poor researchers.
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: You know, this was back when there weren't very many
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: podcast platforms.
• 34:22
  Speaker 7: You know, really, YouTube was very niche niche.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, YouTube was out of the question. I mean, trying
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: to do this was out of the question in twenty
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: fourteen and have it look or sound decent even without
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: the video. Doing it with audio. As you can tell
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: from a lot of my old episode, trying to have
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: guests on sounded like dog shit and to try to
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: do a show with somebody else, and you know, a
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: couple of states over and Doug is in the house.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: You know, it was just we just couldn't. We just
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: couldn't do it, you know, until technology caught up, and
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: we caught up with technology. You know, quick Hits is
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: the embodiment of what this show, or and his show,
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: was supposed to be. But we started our journey separately,
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: tent a little over ten years ago, and here we are.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: Doug's not too far behind episode three hundred, so, you know,
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: on his show, and he'll get there eventually on his
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: own pace. And he gives no fs whether you like
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: it or not. But yeah, man, Doug, thank you my friend. Yeah,
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: and yeah, thank you Doug.
• 35:40
  Speaker 7: You are the man. And you know, when I got
• 35:43
  Speaker 7: to Lancer and I didn't know a soul rob, I
• 35:47
  Speaker 7: got into my room, texted Doug.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: He was hurry up, get upstairs, russells.
• 35:52
  Speaker 7: On and just you know him and Gale and just
• 35:57
  Speaker 7: pretty much the whole community, but Doug specifically, and I'm
• 36:00
  Speaker 7: happy to call him a good friend.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: And it's through.
• 36:03
  Speaker 7: You, and I guess this will be my uh, this
• 36:06
  Speaker 7: will be my message. But I strive to have the
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: type of knowledge and cohesiveness that you and Doug do,
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: because you said your favorite podcast is the Dallas Action Dougs,
• 36:24
  Speaker 7: is this the Long gun Man and mine is Quick Hits.
• 36:29
  Speaker 7: So it's a big circle. And yeah, it's he. You know,
• 36:39
  Speaker 7: He's been a big part of getting a lot of
• 36:41
  Speaker 7: these messages together. And I'm happy to call him a
• 36:43
  Speaker 7: friend myself and and and you as well, because I
• 36:47
  Speaker 7: would not be here without you for sure. And I
• 36:52
  Speaker 7: kind of get got into some of my journey and
• 36:54
  Speaker 7: the JFK I guess research community with Robbie from Out
• 36:59
  Speaker 7: of the Blank earlier this morning should be out next week,
• 37:02
  Speaker 7: and I was like, I was just a listener, right,
• 37:04
  Speaker 7: I first got a degree from YouTube University. I watched
• 37:08
  Speaker 7: the YouTube video out there and I was searching for podcasts.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: I found a few, right, and they were all kind
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: of scaffusia ish, you know, like they just didn't blame
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: you can say.
• 37:22
  Speaker 7: So I searched instead of JFK, Lee Harvey Oswalt, and
• 37:28
  Speaker 7: your podcast with Lee Harvey Oswell with the headset on
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: came up.
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: On Apple.
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: So this is the first thing that came up, was like,
• 37:37
  Speaker 7: who is this Skafuza and and you know it, I
• 37:46
  Speaker 7: really like I learned like who the real researchers were,
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: who weren't like protecting the narrative or their book or
• 37:56
  Speaker 7: previous publication or their website and just object active people
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: from you know, you dug and you know a bunch
• 38:05
  Speaker 7: of other people.
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna start aiming names because I'll.
• 38:07
  Speaker 7: Leave someone out, but uh, and you know, then I
• 38:10
  Speaker 7: started emailing quick hits right and uh about of course
• 38:17
  Speaker 7: James Robert Martin while I was in Italy. And then
• 38:24
  Speaker 7: a few months later we were off on our Martin
• 38:26
  Speaker 7: journey and it took us to places we didn't expect
• 38:29
  Speaker 7: it to go. And uh, you know, we found out
• 38:32
  Speaker 7: some cool stuff along the way, and that we had
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: it planned. You know, we're not going to say like
• 38:37
  Speaker 7: we planned to find out that, you know, person Marina
• 38:42
  Speaker 7: moved in with had a direct line of the White House,
• 38:43
  Speaker 7: or his wife was Cia, or that we go deeper
• 38:46
  Speaker 7: on John T. Martin took the famous Martin video, Like,
• 38:50
  Speaker 7: this wasn't the plan. It was just kind of a
• 38:54
  Speaker 7: fun project on on the Martin alias. But I feel
• 38:58
  Speaker 7: like all good research projects don't have that type of
• 39:02
  Speaker 7: end goal. You know, it's like the the the end,
• 39:08
  Speaker 7: the ending, and the working theory at the end is
• 39:12
  Speaker 7: based on the research. You don't go in with a
• 39:14
  Speaker 7: pre predisposed conclusion, right, And I think that's what why
• 39:20
  Speaker 7: we were really successful on our on our research journey,
• 39:25
  Speaker 7: and we're going to have more, many more to go.
• 39:30
  Speaker 7: And I just want to say thank you, Rob for
• 39:34
  Speaker 7: for allowing inviting me to be your co host.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: It's been the hell of a ride.
• 39:38
  Speaker 15: Uh.
• 39:40
  Speaker 7: I never thought it'd be a podcast host, wasn't in
• 39:43
  Speaker 7: the plans, wasn't in the cards, but learned another job
• 39:47
  Speaker 7: and and I think it's going well. And I think
• 39:50
  Speaker 7: we've gotten a lot of great feedback from everyone that's
• 39:52
  Speaker 7: here every week. And I just couldn't be more thankful
• 39:56
  Speaker 7: to you, Rob for giving me the chance and for
• 39:59
  Speaker 7: having an open mind, and because without your open mind,
• 40:01
  Speaker 7: we wouldn't have found out what we found this past year.
• 40:05
  Speaker 7: And cheers her to many more revelations and discoveries.
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: Thank you, sir, Thank you.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: Uh, Joe was in the chat like two years ago,
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Emailed me. I was like, hey,
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: found some weird stuff you want to He kept sending
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: me stuff and I'd find something I send him something
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: and turned to this crazy research project that turned into
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: a Lancer presentation that turned into multiple episodes on here.
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: And you know, along the way of working with Joe,
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: I thought to myself, you know, he'd be the perfect
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: guy to co host the show with me, and Joe's ah.
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: Jo's a good guy. He's he you know, And I
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: knew he was gonna get a lot of shit when
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: we first started doing this, And I told you that,
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: didn't I, I said, don't listen to him, because this
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: is something new to both of us doing a video podcast.
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: You know, it's a whole lot different when nobody can
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: see it and nobody's watching and you can just talk
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: or edit it after. Yeah, this is a whole new
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: animal for both of us. And like I told him,
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: I said, look, you know, it's not a huge transition
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: for me other than the fact that there's a camera
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: on me now. But you know, it's just it is
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: what it is, and it's something that you know, the
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: more you do it, the better you get at it.
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: And you know, I think you've blossomed throughout everything, you
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: know fantastically. I think you're a great addition to the show.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: So thank you. For we're not even a year end
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: of this yet, Joe, but thank you for hopping on
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: the board with me and continuing the journey here on
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: the Lingoma podcast. And I said, this is said three hundred.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: We've come so far and so many milestones since you've
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: joined up, and we're gonna keep hitting them, folks, so
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: be prepared. We're not going anywhere. Well, thank you sir.
• 42:14
  Speaker 7: You're gonna make me cry now, but I know it's uh,
• 42:19
  Speaker 7: and and we keep each other going, like I said,
• 42:21
  Speaker 7: like and pick up each other slack if one of
• 42:24
  Speaker 7: us is a busy week or whatever life throws in
• 42:28
  Speaker 7: the way, and you know it's it's been a pleasure.
• 42:32
  Speaker 7: And you know it's never been about like money or
• 42:37
  Speaker 7: community fame because we don't get really any of those.
• 42:41
  Speaker 7: But uh, it's our passion and I I love being
• 42:46
  Speaker 7: here with you, so for sure, and thank you very much.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: And we'll stay tuned tray because I got some for you.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: Don't go anywhere, okay, So I got some Nola stuff
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: will you m Well, I was trying to you, I
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: was trying to make myself the last kind of message.
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: But we got some late submissions.
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: Oh one from mister Jeff over at oh sponsor our
• 43:23
  Speaker 7: favorite hot sauce. So here we go, Here we go
• 43:28
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• 43:29
  Speaker 4: Okay, Hey, what's up, guys.
• 43:32
  Speaker 16: Jeff from Silk City here calling in to congratulate three
• 43:37
  Speaker 16: hundred fantastic episodes, looking forward to another thousand, let's do it.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: Things are heating up punintended, Things are heating up, and
• 43:52
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  Speaker 4: have a surprise coming, a surprise collaboration coming soon to
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  Speaker 4: the people that eat this bottle eat them and stuff. Oh, yes, yes,
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  Speaker 4: and yes they will.
• 44:17
  Speaker 7: And one more late thing from Paul uh and I
• 44:22
  Speaker 7: haven't listened to this yet, so.
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: We'll see how.
• 44:28
  Speaker 14: I don't know if I get this anytime or not,
• 44:32
  Speaker 14: but I wanted to say congratulations to my boy Rob
• 44:35
  Speaker 14: Clarke on his three hundredth episode. It's been a heck
• 44:39
  Speaker 14: of a journey and I've enjoyed taking along with you
• 44:42
  Speaker 14: because man, I mean, you're one of the best anyway.
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: Congratulations and enjoy Wow, thank you, Paul, appreciate him, dude,
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: he's been a rider for years years years. Oh, Robbie's
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: in the chat. Oh you could even get an audio
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: from Robbie even though you talked to him this morning.
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: Come on, man, oh hey, you know he uh you're lagging.
• 45:13
  Speaker 7: Hey, we talked for like forty minutes before we even went.
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: Live, and none of those forty minutes was about rob
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: was it was it?
• 45:24
  Speaker 8: Uh?
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: No, a few minutes where I think, Oh, okay, I'm
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: just busting you both. Thank you, Robbie. Yeah, I can't
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: wait to hear your show with the Handsome one. Yes,
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: definitely out of us. And I played Robbie, didn't I
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: he said he sent audio in. No, you didn't. Oh
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: my god.
• 45:46
  Speaker 7: Shoot, okay, Oh, Joseph, I know I have a bunch here.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry. Shoot, we see this is why we saved
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: the best for last. So that is my fault. I'm
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: I'm dealing with a lot of and you want to
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: talk about a podcaster with an engine like no other
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: out of the blank Robbie. Uh, you know, I think
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: it's probably been a couple of years since he reached
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: out and asked me to come on the show, and
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: have done the show a couple of times by myself
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: with Doug. But yeah, he's got an incredible engine, dropping
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: you know, a podcast a day with a multiple variety
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: of guests and topics and a lot of a JFK,
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: a lot of it not you know, with with some
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: of the issues he's interested in. And and again it's
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: one of it's it's one of my favorite shows as
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: well to watch and listen to me too. So without
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: further ado, please play it.
• 46:50
  Speaker 7: Yes, and it's because he emailed it to me and
• 46:53
  Speaker 7: the rest I have are like Facebook Messenger.
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: That's because he's a profession now he is. And yes,
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: and we will see why. Scott, thank you.
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: Congratulations to loone Gunment podcast for reaching three hundred episodes.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: But those are rookie numbers.
• 47:10
  Speaker 6: Okay, you got to pump those numbers up right, so
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: you should be least planking out, least had a.
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: Thousand by now.
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: Come on, seriously, Rob, congratulations on three hundred episodes, going strong,
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: keeping up the latest and greatest and JFK assassination research.
• 47:24
  Speaker 6: A lot of the community JFK assassination people that like
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: to research whether it's a loan nut or conspiracy, benefit
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: from a lot of the stuff. You guys, go down,
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: You and Joe, both of you doing a great job,
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: keep up great work.
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: And there you go. Thank you, Robbie. That's what happens
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: when you do one episode a week instead of one
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: episode a day. He passed our milestone probably not even
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: a year into his podcast. Here I am ten years later,
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: just hitting the three hundred marks. So yeah, he's a machine.
• 47:56
  Speaker 7: He's a beast, a lot of great topics, a variety
• 48:00
  Speaker 7: of topics, and he's always searching for the truth. That's
• 48:04
  Speaker 7: what I love about him. You just you know, no,
• 48:06
  Speaker 7: no really, bias, no agenda.
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: He's just I just and he looked nothing like Tom
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: Holland by the way, I'm joking he does, but he
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: ain't gonna know Zendaya or maybe he does. I don't know. Yes,
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: and I'm sure he does quite well for himself. If
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: they're in Ocean City Mare, which is like two.
• 48:33
  Speaker 7: Hours, no, you gotta have an in person at some point.
• 48:38
  Speaker 7: But uh yeah, look out next week sometime for me yapping,
• 48:43
  Speaker 7: not like six barbers, like sixteen barbers for an hour
• 48:47
  Speaker 7: and forty five minutes.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: I can't wait for that.
• 48:54
  Speaker 7: So great, Thank you so much, Lee. Yeah, Robbie is
• 49:01
  Speaker 7: truly great content.
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: It really is. Yeah.
• 49:03
  Speaker 7: And the great thing is when you wake up in
• 49:05
  Speaker 7: the morning, the episode's there for me because I have
• 49:09
  Speaker 7: ADHD and a lot some of his episodes have been
• 49:12
  Speaker 7: on that, like I need to wake up and start
• 49:14
  Speaker 7: listening to something that's just me right and a lot
• 49:18
  Speaker 7: a lot of the time, my first listen is an
• 49:22
  Speaker 7: interview went out of the blank.
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: It could be.
• 49:25
  Speaker 7: From a variety of topics, but definitely, so thank you.
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: He's a young dude, you know, he's he didn't really
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: know much about the JFK assassination when I was first
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: talking to him. He had a couple of guests like
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: he done, a couple of guests.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Like John D.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: D d angeel Is the was it.
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: George D. Gino, people like that, you know, But uh uh,
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: he's he's learning and I think he started, you know,
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: very middle of the road, leaning towards non conspiracy. But
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: he has since come around, I think in his manner
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: of thinking after speaking to so many people, including me,
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: and people are recommended to him, people he's found on
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: his own. He's got a ton, a ton a ton
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: of JFK content, So definitely check him out. But yeah,
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: thank you, Robbie, You're the man. Appreciate it. Yeah, you know,
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: for sure.
• 50:36
  Speaker 7: And I've noticed that because I've listened to a show
• 50:38
  Speaker 7: for a couple of years and you could just tell
• 50:40
  Speaker 7: his knowledge on the subject.
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: Has he's obsessed with the throat chop has a multiple lot.
• 50:47
  Speaker 7: Yes, Uh, first started listening to him, and that's great
• 50:51
  Speaker 7: because he might know more than I do now, Like
• 50:54
  Speaker 7: I'm not joking, and uh, it's just great because you know,
• 50:58
  Speaker 7: we talked a lot about the journey of the JFK. Yeah,
• 51:02
  Speaker 7: we talked about a Jim Martin, the lawyer, the long
• 51:07
  Speaker 7: survivor of the Ruby eleven twenty four or sixty three meeting.
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: And he had some good stuff to say about that.
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: It was funny. But he has the call. Yeah, Joe's
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: favorite is what the hot honey hab a narrow?
• 51:26
  Speaker 7: It depends what It depends on what you're putting it on, right.
• 51:30
  Speaker 7: It's different things for eggs or for chicken, or for.
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: Tacos. I think if you're going to put an order in, Paul,
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: get a little variety pack because different things go better
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: with different meats or chili or dips or garnishing, like
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: you said, straight on the eggs or whatever the case
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: may be. You know, one of my favorites is hot syrup,
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: black honey was a good one. A lot of the
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: stuff that is seasonal and it may not be available
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: right now, and he's always coming out with new new stuff.
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: So I would just get a little variety pack, you know,
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: and start off and it'll last you. It'll last you
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: a good couple of months, unless you're Joe Burrelly and
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: put it on. Put that ship on everything. You gotta
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: give it that talk.
• 52:22
  Speaker 7: To us, put that thing on that thing. Yeah, some
• 52:29
  Speaker 7: of it is seasonal, but I would definitely do the
• 52:32
  Speaker 7: variety pack for sure.
• 52:34
  Speaker 14: And uh.
• 52:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah, definitely if you if you put in the gun
• 52:39
  Speaker 7: of the code gunman right gunman or he might you know,
• 52:46
  Speaker 7: he hooks people up of he is just just great. Yeah,
• 52:51
  Speaker 7: he's a really good guy. So that is all I have,
• 52:56
  Speaker 7: sirved for your session of being adored.
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, Sally Sally, Sally, Sally, thank you so much.
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: Appreciate the poundage. We love you, guys. She's up late.
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: What is it six hours? Oh, it's definitely after midnight.
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: But she, Sally Sally is a night owl.
• 53:32
  Speaker 7: She is.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 53:36
  Speaker 7: So what do you want to get into next sur.
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: Let's see, I think we should have to touch on
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: possibly Joseph, just some catch up from and I promise
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: that we're not going to stick on it for very long,
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: but a little bit about the the whole Trump thing again,
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: because more information keeps coming out and out and out
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: and out. So I wanted to play something for everybody
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: who may not have seen this. And this is a
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: very interesting perspective that I hadn't seen before. And I
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: apologize that for the vertical screen recording here, but it's
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: out of my hands. But check this out. It's two
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: minutes long and it gives everybody a really good idea
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: from the shooter's perspective, just how this all went down.
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: So check it out. We were wrong about a couple
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: of things and we'll address them as we go or
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: after this clip. I'm sorry, here we go without further
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: ado ed. Did this.
• 54:51
  Speaker 17: Is the trail of blood from Thomas Crooks still visible
• 54:58
  Speaker 17: on the building where the assassin was able to shoot
• 55:05
  Speaker 17: directly at President Trump from this exact position, you can
• 55:12
  Speaker 17: see right there in the field that's where President Trump is.
• 55:16
  Speaker 17: I'm just on iPhone magnification.
• 55:19
  Speaker 7: This is how close.
• 55:24
  Speaker 17: The president was to the assassin.
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: This is one hundred yards one football field. Right here.
• 55:33
  Speaker 17: That is where the Secret Service sniper team was, and
• 55:40
  Speaker 17: this is where no one was.
• 55:44
  Speaker 7: Rob, you're lagging a lot on this video.
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: I can hear it.
• 55:47
  Speaker 17: Or maybe someone was, but no one law enforcement, because
• 55:53
  Speaker 17: that would have made for the easiest shot on God's
• 55:57
  Speaker 17: green Earth right here. Meanwhile, leaving the entire president exposed.
• 56:03
  Speaker 17: There was supposed to be Secret Service right there. This
• 56:08
  Speaker 17: was a window that has full view of the rooftop
• 56:13
  Speaker 17: where Trump's would be assassin. A man who shot Trump
• 56:18
  Speaker 17: in the face, in the head and killed an innocent
• 56:22
  Speaker 17: man and a good man stood and that's where President Trump.
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: Was right there. Okay, sorry, I didn't know what you're saying.
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: Joe was looking fine to sounded final on my end.
• 56:38
  Speaker 7: So it was a little laggy. Maybe it was better
• 56:41
  Speaker 7: for the listeners. Essentially, it kind of honed in on
• 56:47
  Speaker 7: a lleged blood spot that was darker on the roof.
• 56:51
  Speaker 7: But did you see Rob that video of the FBI
• 56:55
  Speaker 7: hosing off the.
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: Roof, Well, they lift him up there for a while.
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: I mean, unless they had a pressure washer, they're not
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: going to get it off right. But I'm saying that
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: if they were doing with the garden hose, you're going
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: to leave behind some dry blood, I'm sure.
• 57:12
  Speaker 7: Right, which I think is what that video showed. But
• 57:15
  Speaker 7: there were things on Twitter, and again you have to
• 57:18
  Speaker 7: take that with a grain of salt of whether they
• 57:22
  Speaker 7: were actually washing off, say evidence from the roof, that
• 57:26
  Speaker 7: would be pretty well.
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: There's things people have said about the rifle was like
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: thirteen feet away from him, which you know, it's not
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: out of the realm of possibility that once they got
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: up there, of course you want to disconnect the shooter
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: from the rifle. So they're going to take the rifle
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: and probably toss it to the side, you know, so
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: that this guy and just playing dead, you know. And
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: but I've seen stuff where there's no brass found on
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: the roof, and did it eject from the gun and
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: roll off? Who knows?
• 58:05
  Speaker 7: Well, Rob I had mentioned this to you, uh pre
• 58:09
  Speaker 7: production the and there was a three minute video that
• 58:15
  Speaker 7: was released on x that was from the body camp
• 58:18
  Speaker 7: and guys, we're gonna get back to g FK within
• 58:21
  Speaker 7: a few minutes, so don't worry. There are a lot
• 58:23
  Speaker 7: of similarities between these two things. But there was a
• 58:29
  Speaker 7: three minute secret service video body cam that was released
• 58:33
  Speaker 7: I believe yesterday and I'm going to play that right now.
• 58:36
  Speaker 7: Let me know if you have an issue.
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: So we don't know this is the guy, yes, so
• 58:57
  Speaker 5: that we don't know, I don't know treating that as
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: suspicious one second. I believe the sniper that seeing me
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: and send the pictures is right inside of building.
• 59:06
  Speaker 7: Michelle's greg in there all right.
• 59:09
  Speaker 9: So if you go to that window that's open and
• 59:10
  Speaker 9: yelled for drag, that's the sniper that set the original
• 59:13
  Speaker 9: pictures and seeing him come from the bike and set
• 59:15
  Speaker 9: the back.
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: Down and then lost sight of them. He's the one
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: that sent the pictures, the same ones I did.
• 59:21
  Speaker 7: I think I did. Yeah, he's like his glasses on.
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: And yeah, there's the.
• 59:31
  Speaker 7: And then this was this is his bike with the stuff.
• 59:33
  Speaker 7: There's the gun a few away from him.
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: He would be right.
• 59:37
  Speaker 7: Inside that window. He's the one that physically seen this,
• 59:40
  Speaker 7: send the pictures.
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: And hold it out.
• 59:41
  Speaker 18: Okay, So so we have somebody to tea.
• 59:45
  Speaker 5: Correct that I don't know our guy was just up here.
• 59:51
  Speaker 7: That blood driven Yeah, that's.
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: Basically we've been up here, So we wouldn't know that.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: Got over.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 7: Look like super service counter slang for a team secret service.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: And uh another possibly steep.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: Mean, look how close the water tower is this? Yeah,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: look how flat the roofs very slowed, very slipped. Not safe.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: You can't have counter ciphers.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 18: The guys that saw them filming, they were filming us
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 18: and then filming the guy on the roof and filming.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: Us and then shot started.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 7: That's not what everybody I'm.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 18: Not saying, you know what I mean?
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 19: Like that.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 18: So I got no problem again of those guys find
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 18: out what they know, who they are whatever. I'm trying
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 18: to get clear information.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: Are you trying to get clear information because you'll flipped
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: up clear directions? Yeah, I know, I don't know.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 20: There's the water telling any ellie law enforcement. Look at
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 20: that silence round like he's.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: Topic all I killed this Joe. So one thing I've
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: I don't understand is this talk of the van and
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: and accomplice. Has anything official come out about that at all?
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: I heard. We know the dude drove there in a
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: Hondai and we touched on the van. We had pictures
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: of him taking the van away before you know, we
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: thought it was his van, but it's not his van.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: So who else was arrested and whose van was this?
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 7: It's like an Oklahoma City thing. Well, I know with
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 7: the van the second person, Uh, I don't know. It
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 7: seemed to me that, you know, there's a bike involved
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 7: as well. Here a drone, a drone. He was flying
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 7: a drone. But the secret service director who has since
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 7: been fired said.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: Yes, has since been fired, like we said she should be.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah, And Rob I listened to I was working outside
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 7: that day. I probably listened to five or five hours
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 7: of straight up testimony.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: Yes, Morgan, they were the proter type movie cameras on
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: their vests. Yes.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 7: And I listened to about five hours of Republicans growing her,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 7: Democrats grilling her, and the frustration that was building. She
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 7: couldn't give a perimeter, She couldn't tell how many shots
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 7: were or how many shells or I think she might
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 7: have said eight shots, but she didn't say how many shells.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 7: We were right. The counter sniper team did return absolutely
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 7: one shot and hit this guy through the head and
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 7: went out there his neck and completely murked up.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: And the tree was not in the way, as you
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: could see from the video that I played first, from
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: the vantage point of the counter sniper team to the roof,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: the tree was not in the way. Well, Rob was it.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 7: There were two counter sniper teams on those roofs. It
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 7: might have obstructed one of.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: Them as well. Either way, one snaper team was not
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: right obstructed.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 7: I'm just I'm just giving a kind of my objective
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 7: what I've heard, But it seemed like one of them
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 7: had a little bit of obstruction the other one wasn't.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 7: But you don't know how far their sector was out right,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 7: They're not looking one hundred and fifty yards in. We're
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 7: looking five hundred yards out like so, And when we
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 7: talked about how the counter stiper team when the shots
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 7: fired had to kind of pull back and readjust and refocus,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 7: we weren't.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: Far off in that.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 7: And in terms of the water tower, I don't know about.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: It yet, but.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 7: Interesting nonetheless, it should have been covered for sure. So absolutely,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 7: I don't want to get into, you know, too much
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 7: of it, but we want to follow up.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: A little bit about it. And it's gonna be a
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: running theme for a while as long as new information
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: keeps coming out.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 7: Uh, you missed it, yeah one day slept then and
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 7: Trump and Richard Simmons side, Yeah.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that would be the cruel sick joke, you know,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: And did Dallas PD wear body cams is sixty three?
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: Did you talk about this? Was I talking? I did?
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: They had a zap like the Zeppruter film camera. They
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: had that strap to the chest back back in nineteen
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: sixty three. You're being sarcastic, right I am? Okay?
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 7: No, But Rob, interesting question, and we might have I
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 7: might have asked you this. But in this body cam
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 7: social media world, if the JFK assassination happened in twenty
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 7: twenty four, would it have been solved?
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 15: Would you have the Bobushka lady going to social media?
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 15: Would you have people posting pictures of the spafoozs in
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 15: the sixth floor with rifles or two people in the
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 15: sixth floor?
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 7: Possibly? Would we be any closer?
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: You know, it did come out in this past week
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: as well, that you know, he googled how far away
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: was Lee Harvey Oswald when he shot to THEFK.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 7: So yeah, and that, yeah, that was a big thing,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 7: And a few people said that to me this week.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 7: One thing I think the big difference of that is
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 7: whoever would be firing from the sixth floor would have
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 7: a significantly bigger downslope than someone that was what one
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 7: story up, which would be on that roof. Whatever it was,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 7: it wasn't as steep as six stories.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 4: Right, your audio is in the toilet me now you're.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 7: Back, Okay, I said, firing down from six floors at
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 7: a moving target would have been much more difficult than
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 7: firing down one or two stories from a pretty stationary target.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, for sure. So sure, of course the interesting
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: developments keep coming out. We'll keep touching on things because
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: it's it's a great parallel in the modern day for
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: what happened so many years ago. Yep, for sure. Yeah,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: all right, Joe, I promise Trey I got a little
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 4: bit of Nolen's for him. We're going to We're going
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 4: to Nolen's for a hot minute. Here. I got a
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: couple of things I like to touch on half of
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: No Orleans. If a me came across some good stuff
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: digging through the the Garrison files, so stripping strap app
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: on strap in whatever you got to do out there,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: I came across, actually an interview with David Ferry that
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 4: I had not seen before. And I've seen a lot,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: but I had not seen this yet. It was an
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: interview done by John Voles on December fifteenth, nineteen sixty six,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: so this would have been two months before Ferry died.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: And John Vowles is apparently he's not a very big
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: name associated with Jim Garrison's office. But yeah, so they
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: go through and they ask him a bunch of stuff
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: about being acquainted with oz Walt and the Civil Air
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: Patrol and all that jazz. Right, I'm not gonna read
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: the whole thing, but one thing that did stick out
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: to me is that they started asking him about Jack Martin, right,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: and did Voles said, did you do any charter work,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: you know, as far as flying, and.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 7: He said Jack far said was part of the Flying Tigers, sir, yeah, right,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 7: and then was wounded because I've reviewed some of the
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 7: things we.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so Farry said, it's prohibited Martin had me going
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 4: to Cuba. It was in the newspapers than one hundred
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: and ten mile an hour airplane with four hours of gas.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: He said, were you doing any charter flying at the
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: time when he accused you of this? Farry says, no,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 4: I was supposed to be working for the six sixth
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 4: line or the airline. Sorry. I was also supposed to
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 4: have gone in sixty three. Klein asked if that summer
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: I had been in Cuba. That was some more of
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: Jack Martin's bs. And then Farry asked's pershing As Gerveise
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: still around? And Volas says, no, he's not in our
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: office anymore. Do you want to see him? Parry said,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: not especially. I just wanted to refer you back to
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 4: him as to why I am here. This morning, I'm
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 4: thinking about Martin's personality. Martin somehow gets to be near
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 4: the bride at every wedding and the corpse at every funeral.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 4: He somehow gets involved in civil and criminal affairs. Martin
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: gets in on all those interesting little things he tried
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 4: to get pushing Gervais sent up up the river on
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: brutality charges. That was a big mess for a few days.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 4: I have a sort of and speculating on why I'm here,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: and I think I can see it because there's been
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: a number of books criticizing the warning report, and I
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: think Jack Martin would have seized on this because this
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 4: is exactly his type of meat. I imagine he would
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: come to someone like Frank Klein, Pershing Gervet or Jim Garrison.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: And sometimes Martin convinces himself on his confections. Sometimes he
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: doesn't I know he was in the psych Ward in
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: charity for a while, and he was in the Psycho
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: Award in Texas, and he used to run a diplomba
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: mill in Texas. Voles says, you feel he was responsible
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: for you being here today? Ferry says, yeah, I feel.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: I feel like it's a it's a possibility. Vowles, have
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: you read any of these articles? Ferry? Now, I'm too
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: busy trying to earn a living. I do know that
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: I've seen statements regarding Governor Connolly. I've got nothing to hide,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: but I've been trying to figure out for the last
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: two days what I was being subpoened for. And I
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: tried calling everybody to find out what it was all about.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: I tried Gill, and he didn't know anything. The reason
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: I am on this Martin thing is that Gil tells
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: me three or four days back, Martin called him and
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: wanted to know where I was, where I was working,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: and how I could be reached. Gill and I speculated
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: over various possibilities, and this Kennedy thing is the only
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: thing that we could come up with. Voles, would you
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: be willing to submit to a polygraph test? Ferry sweetly,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: I would be willing to submit to truth serum. I
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: have no hesitation at all. So I thought that was interesting,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: which brings us to an actual polygraph examination done by
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: polygraph Inc. Scientific lie Detection and confidential examinations. Polygraphic examinations
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: done by Roy L. Jacob Senior Metie Louisiana. And this
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: was done well, I don't know when it was done,
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: but the results were sent to mister William Gervich on
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: April fifteenth, nineteen and sixty seven. So this is a
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 4: polygraphic examination of carlos Ki Roga.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 21: Okay, all right, rob let me Hey, hey everybody, Joe
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 21: figured out how to use the audio.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 15: Yay.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: So carlos Kiroga right, he's just he's want to bring
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: his buddies. He's the guy that visited Oswald on Magazine
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: Street at his house inquiring about joining the Fair Play
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: for Cuba Committee. Now, whether this was a sum undercover
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 4: brother type of thing for the Phoebe's or the ci
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: A not sure, or if he was just legitimately interested
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: who knows? But did he was he alleged to have
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: printed or paid for the printout of the.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 7: Hands Off Cuba? No, No, who was that.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: I don't know Jerry Thornley. I don't know, all right,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I got the name mixed up.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 7: Continue, sir, that's all right.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 4: So arrangements were made and it says at your request,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 4: Carlos quiroga Cuban exile, age thirty resigning a thirty one
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: thirty four Derby place in New Orleans was examined on
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: this polygraph a detection of deception technique subject matter statement
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 4: in mister garrets an investigation pre test interview with the subject.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 4: He gave the following information. He was born in Cuba
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: and has completed his college education. Subject married to A
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: Maria Shiro and they have two children. Results. The subject
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: was given five separate tests. Okay, so, and this was
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: done back then to kind of establish a pattern, detectable
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: pattern between truth and a lie. So he was even
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: five separate tests. He was given a pretest interview test
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: number one. After careful analysis of this subject's first polygraph,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: it is the opinion of the examiner that he gave
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: specific reactions indicative of deception to the relevant questions under
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: examination below. Question number four, do you have any firsthand
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: knowledge of the conspiracy to assassinate President Kennedy, and he
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: answered no, and that was found to be a deceptive
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 4: answer test number two. After careful analysis of the subject
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: second PolyGram, it is the opinion of the examiner that
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 4: he gives specific restrictions indicative of exception to the relevant
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: questions under examination as below. And there's a little bit
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 4: more here on the second test, question number two, in
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: the summer of sixty three, did you see Lee Harvey
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: Oswell with any Latin dissent? Subject? Answer no, he lied.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 4: Question number three, isn't it a fact that you knew
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: that the fair Play for Cuba committee activities were merely
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: a cover? Answer no, indicative of deception. Question five? Was
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 4: Oswald in reality part of an anti castro operation? Answer no?
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 4: In the indicative of deception, excuse me? Question twelve, according
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 4: to your own knowledge, did David Ferry know, serge you
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 4: or cautious Smith? Answer no, that's indicative of alive. So
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: we move on to test number three. After careful analysis
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 4: of this subject's third polygraph, it is the opinion of
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 4: the examiner that he gave specific reactions indicative of deception
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 4: to the relevant questions under examination below. Question number three,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 4: according to your own knowledge. Did David Ferry know Guy Banister? No,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: that's a lie. Question number six, Do you know of
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 4: any other person that knew Oswald in nineteen sixty three
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: other than by chance encounters? Answer no, that's a lie.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: Question ten, prior to the assassination of the president, did
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: you ever see any of the guns which were used
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 4: in his assassination? Answer no, that's a lie. Test number four.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: After a careful analysis of the subject's fourth polygraph, it
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: is the opinion of the examiner that he told substantially
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: the truth on his fourth examination. So I guess one
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: out of five ain't bad. Test number five, with the
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 4: careful analysis of this subject's fifth polygraph, it is the
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: opinion of the examiner that he gave specific reactions indicative
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: of deception to the relevant name as follows. According to
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: your knowledge or information, did any of the following persons
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 4: have any knowledge of Lee Oswald's activities prior to the assassination?
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: Selso Hernandez Answer no, that's a lie. And again he's
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 4: want to bring as buddies. The subject stated that the
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 4: above subject had a fight with Oswald on Canal Street.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: Subject was shown photographs of subjects. Subject identified the following
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 4: photographs one David Ferry to Sergio Acasia Smith and I
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 4: believe there was also a Hernandez accompanying Oswald to visit
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 4: Ray McCAT mchune Castro's gun Runner in Texas. It's the
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 4: same Hernandez. Who knows, But I just released that only
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: from the vault channel if you want to go check
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: that out. This Ray McKean's HSCA testimony. Very interesting stuff there.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 4: Conclusions After careful analysis of the polygraph, it is the
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: opinion of the examiner that the subject did not tell
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: the complete truth during his examination and interviews and interrogation,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: Respectfully submitted Ray L. Jacob, Senior Examiner. Examiners trained by
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: world famous Keeler Polygraph Institute of Chicago, Illinois. So this
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: is no like fly by night polygrapher, you know what
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 4: I mean. He was legit. So that's very interesting. And
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 4: then one more thing here, Joe, we'll move from Nola
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: to Dallas. Nolan's to Dallas, and I got a letter
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: from Penn Jones to Jim Garrison. Yeah, what's this is
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: May eighteenth, nineteen and sixty seven. He says, uh, I
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 4: was on a radio show in Dallas, Texas about four
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 4: months ago. A couple of days after the show, a
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 4: man by the name of Richard Carr contacted me by
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 4: telephone and said he just had to talk to me.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 4: I went to mister Carr's home and spent three hours
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 4: with him. That's my Penn Jones voice. Hey, it's not
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 4: a three hundred episode without a rob voice, right Yeah.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: On November twenty second, nineteen and sixty three, he was
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: on the construction elevator of the new Dallas County Courthouse,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 4: seven floors above the ground, from which location he had
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 4: a good view of the assassination scene. He reported me
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: that he saw two white men run from behind the
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 4: wooden fence, that location being the one in which we
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 4: claimed some of the shots came from to kill the president.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: Carr stated that the two men ran in the northeasterly
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 4: direction behind the school book depository, and while they were
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 4: out of sight, they were joined by a colored man
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: that he called a negro. The colored man got in
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: the driver's seat of a gray Rambler station wagon. One
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: man got into the rear seat on the left hand
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: side of the car. Drove north on Houston, turning to
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 4: the right on Pacific. Ben Jones takes a lot out
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 4: of me. The other man, a dark complexed white male
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 4: about five eight, heavy set, wearing dark riomed glasses, brown hat,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: and brown coat, walked south on Houston Street and turned
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 4: to the left up Main Street, where he disappeared from
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 4: the view.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 7: Car.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: Further stated that while the shots were being fired, he
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: saw one bullet hit the ground behind the President's car.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: Mister Carr not only is a rifle buff, having a
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 4: beautiful rifle case with several rifles on the all of
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: his home. He was an enlisted man in the fifth
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 4: Ranger Battalion during World War Two, and he was wounded
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 4: in combat three times. Joe his occupation at this time
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 4: as a steel worker, and he was on the courthouse
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: side that day applying for a job. He got a
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 4: wife and three kids, and after I left his home,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: he begged me not to get him killed. I have
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 4: never released this statement to anyone except mister Garrison. Within
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 4: two or three days after the assassination, the FBI visited
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 4: him in his home. They were very brusque and insulting
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: in the manna, and they told mister Carr that if
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 4: he did not see Oswald shoot out of the sixth
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 4: four window, then he better just keep his guydamn mouth shut.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: Can you believe it? An FBI man from Little Rock
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 4: was the next man to visit mister Carr's home. He
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 4: took car down to the FBI he quarters in Dallas
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: for three hour interview Joe. Three hours, but what's completely
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 4: courteous and did not suggest any course for mister Carr.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 4: So he was a little bit nicer as FBI man
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 4: than the previous ones there. Who I lied, I have
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 4: one more thing. Uh so we got to go back
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 4: to New Orleans. I had him out of order.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 7: Back to NAWS was against God.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 4: Damn it all right, So this one, okay, I'm just
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 4: gonna do it all right. This is March sixth, nineteen
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: sixty seven to Jim Garrison from James Alcock Assistant DA
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: about a call received from a Fred Myers Baton Rouge
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 4: Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Joe on March the third, nineteen sixty seven,
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 4: I received a call from mister Fred, who is a
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 4: vice president of the Gregory Salts the Barrier Company. Mister
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: Myers stated that shortly after the assassination of President Kennedy,
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 4: he moved to New Orleans, and he opened in the
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 4: office there the eight twenty Julia Street. Often after work
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: he would go up to Charlie's Bar on Caron Delay
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: Street for a draft beer. Now, ironically, Corondelay Street is
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 4: where Jim Garrison lived. Fun fact Friday. Yes, at this time,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 4: mister Myers bought this man hold on back up while
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: in this bar. On one occasion, he met a deaf
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: mute that he had known from Monroe, Louisiana. At this time,
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: mister Myers bought this man a meal and began to
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 4: communicate with him. Okay, can't talk and can't hear, so
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 4: what they would do is right on napkins, back and
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 4: forth to each other. Okay.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 8: Uh.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: The mute conversed with mister Myers by writing on napkins
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: found in the bar and restaurant. The mute told to
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: meeting Oswald in the place on many occasions. Mm hmm.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 4: He also called, havn't seen Oswald in there with a
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 4: girl that worked at the Louisiana State Library, Joe. On
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: one occasion, the mute was in the bar and restaurant
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 4: when Oswald was in there with other people and they
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 4: were discussing the assassination of the President, and the mute
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 4: read their lips and remembered what they said. He wrote
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 4: this down on the napkin and gave it to mister Myers.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: Mister Myles went to the FBI, but was given no
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: real encouragement. I stated that he kept these napkins for
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: approximately one and a half years, but finally destroyed them.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 4: This man is definitely not a crank and holds a
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 4: very responsible position with probably the second largest manufacturer represented
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 4: firm in the country. He does not know the mute's name,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 4: but does know he came from Monroe, Louisiana, and feels
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 4: that Charlie at Charlie's Bar might know who the mute
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 4: was and where he might be contacted. So, you know
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 4: what the Garrison crew's gotta do. They gotta go talk
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: to Charlie. Charlie. So at eleven thirty am on March
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: twenty eighth, nineteen and sixty seven, Finna Sedgeby, I love
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 4: that name, Louis Ivon and I interviewed mister Charles Velos.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 4: Mister Velos was on the corner and operator of Charlie's
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 4: Place restaurant located at six forty Carondelay Street in the
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 4: summer of nineteen and sixty three. It was at this
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 4: location during this period that mister Fred Myers referred to
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 4: in my memorandum, met a deaf mute he had known
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 4: in Monroe, Louisiana. The mute told mister Myers or seeing
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 4: Lee Harvey Oswald in the restaurant on various occasions in
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: the summer of nineteen sixty three. Additionally, he related, by
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 4: writing on napkin's details of the alleged plot he observed
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 4: Oswald and the others discussing in the restaurant. Mister Velance
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 4: recalls a deaf mute who was patronizing his place of
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: business at this time, but does not recall his name
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 4: or where he worked or lived at the time. However,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: he gave us the following description. Brown hair, approximately five
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: foot eight to five nine tall, slightly built, with a thin,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 4: hollow face, clean shaven, always wore a cap or a hat,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 4: usually came into the restaurant about five five thirty, and
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: was always by himself. Mister Velos remembers the man principally
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: because of the fact he always used napkins found at
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 4: various tables at the restaurant to communicate with the restaurant
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 4: personnel and others who might be seated with him. Mister
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 4: Velis stated to us that he could not be positive
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: when he first saw Oswald's pictures after the assassination. He
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: felt that he had seen the man before. This possible
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: sighting would have taken place in his restaurant, but as stated,
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: he could not positively state that he had been in
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: his restaurant. I've just attempted to contact mister Myles by phone,
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: but he was out of the city of Baton, Bruges
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 4: and was not to return until later tomorrow afternoon. Therefore,
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 4: Thursday I shall call him an attempt to get a
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 4: description of the mute he is referring to and see
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 4: whether or not he is the same mute described by
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 4: mister Velis. Also, I shall attempt to get further details
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 4: on his meetings with the mutant and the mute's possible
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 4: location at this time. H the only case as two
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: deaf mute witnesses, right and in the history of the world, Ed.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 7: Hoffman, the other guy that was yes on the bridge,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 7: and I got to say he's pretty credible for.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and the fact that right right away.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 7: Right uh, or very shortly after.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 4: And I got I think I saw him in The
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 4: Men Michael Kennedy, So I think that as it's worth.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 10: But he is.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 4: Incredible to me. Yeah, but we're not talking about Ed Hoffman.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 4: We're talking about another in New Orleans, right. But the
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 4: interesting thing is you know that this was related to
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 4: them by some high up at a very respected company,
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  Speaker 4: this information and they checked it out with the bar
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  Speaker 4: owner who did remember a deaf mute that came there
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  Speaker 4: that talked on napkins. So this could be, you know,
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  Speaker 4: credible thing. You know.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's more memorable, right, That would be more memorable
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  Speaker 7: than the guy that comes in and has three beers, right,
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  Speaker 7: uh right, if he's writing on a napkin and he
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  Speaker 7: can't speak, I don't doubt.
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  Speaker 4: That at all. Okay, Trey Karen de Lett, it ain't
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  Speaker 4: Karen delay Karen de Lett. Okay, that's then corrected, Joe
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  Speaker 4: Karen de Lett Street. I'm trying. I took French in
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  Speaker 4: high school, trying to you know, but I apologize you
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  Speaker 4: took French over Spanish. I did.
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  Speaker 7: If you you'd get into the jfk assassination at that
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  Speaker 7: point you probably were actually but would you have done
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  Speaker 7: more Spanish to maybe be able to, I don't know,
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  Speaker 7: have more context within the Cuban exiles, or say some
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  Speaker 7: of the Mexico City tapes that are in Spanish that
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 7: were recently released by I'm just I'm curious.
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  Speaker 4: No, my French studies helped me greatly with these frenchy
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  Speaker 4: type French quarta. Well, that's sure, French quartera pronunciations, throwing
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  Speaker 4: a little cage and mixed a little jib talking from
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  Speaker 4: Dean Andrews. And you got yourself a slick talking jib
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  Speaker 4: talking to your son. Yeah, you.
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  Speaker 7: Say, bon hm, you picked the right You picked the right,
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  Speaker 7: ha ha, but the wrong hope.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway, that's what I got, Joe. What'd you bring to
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  Speaker 4: the table for us to day? My friend?
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  Speaker 7: Very interesting and I just have something very quick. And
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  Speaker 7: you know, last week with Carmine on our guest, we
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  Speaker 7: had talked about his article on the Jacobs, which was the.
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  Speaker 4: The couple that.
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  Speaker 7: Specifically the woman Katia that sent a letter out to
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  Speaker 7: Marina after the assassination and invited her to move in
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  Speaker 7: and later Marina and James Martin went out to dinner
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  Speaker 7: with them in DC. Either on your birthday, Rob or
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  Speaker 7: the day after and we didn't get a chance. Has
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  Speaker 7: to go into a lot of the documents last week,
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  Speaker 7: and I'm just gonna do something really quickly.
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  Speaker 4: As my computers about to die. Okay, So this is the.
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  Speaker 7: Documents attached relating to the Jacobs on from Carmine's website
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  Speaker 7: to Princess and a King dot com. And you just
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  Speaker 7: have to go to the blog section and in the
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 7: article there are links to this. So as Carmine had
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  Speaker 7: mentioned John Jacobs, who was married to Katya or Catherine,
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  Speaker 7: who was from Bulgaria and who had spoke Russian right
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  Speaker 7: reached out to Marina Oswalt and uh, this is from
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  Speaker 7: April seventeenth, nineteen sixty four. And this so as I
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  Speaker 7: was rereading the article, Rob, so you know how the
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  Speaker 7: CIA has the Office of Security, the right like the
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  Speaker 7: super secret uh kind of division within the CA. Yeah, Comcurity.
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  Speaker 7: So the USIA also had an Office of Security, but
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  Speaker 7: it was called the iOS.
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  Speaker 4: Which is kind of funny. And let me see that's
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  Speaker 4: the Internet operating system. Yeah, it's not that far away
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  Speaker 4: from it.
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  Speaker 1: And let me.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so.
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  Speaker 7: Jacob's advice, because, like Harmine mentioned, he had actually given
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  Speaker 7: his agency heads up that his wife had reached out
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  Speaker 7: to Marina Oswalt and that they were coming or expecting.
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  Speaker 4: Her to dinner on my birthday, Yes, sir.
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  Speaker 7: And mister Jacobs pointed out that his wife had written
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  Speaker 7: to Marina Oswalt after the assassination.
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  Speaker 4: Stating her husband's crime would.
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  Speaker 7: Not be visited upon her or her children by the
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  Speaker 7: American people. I think that means like blamed, right, Like,
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 7: they wouldn't blame you your children for Lee's alleged acts.
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  Speaker 7: So that's that's a good way to kind of rope
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 7: her in in a sense. And two really quick things.
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  Speaker 7: Mister Jacob stated his wife did this as a humanitarian gesture,
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 7: texture Rob, and you know, there were so caring that
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  Speaker 7: they want to reach out from DC to this lady
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 7: in Texas and offer her a place to stay, which
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  Speaker 7: they did. He also stated that when Marina Oswald came
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  Speaker 7: to Washington, d C. To testify, his wife contacted missus
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 7: Oswald and the dinner arrangement was scheduled. As we talked
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 7: about last episode and the bottom Lettle section here, and
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 7: I'm kind of cropping from the document on Carmine's website.
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  Speaker 7: The point I want to emphasize here as her occupation
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  Speaker 7: was a housewife. Okay, that's fair enough. But Catherine Kathia
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  Speaker 7: Jacobs got a special passport and was to depart New York,
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  Speaker 7: New York on May one, nineteen fifty nine, via air
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  Speaker 7: for purpose of accompanying her has been and assisting with
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 7: the American Expedition exhibition I'm sorry, in Moscow for a
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 7: period of four months. Okay, let's back, what's up here?
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  Speaker 7: Rob was the American Exhibition in Moscow, the same and
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 7: I'm pretty sure of this the same place that Robert Webster, yes, yes,
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  Speaker 7: had defectively that good well great minds think alikes. Her
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 7: and and Marina had also been alleged to had met
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 7: Webster and possibly got with them. So I mean, this
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  Speaker 7: is this is fascinating, right because you have some lady
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  Speaker 7: reaching out to her Marina almost four years later that
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  Speaker 7: had a connection to the exhibit that she was most
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  Speaker 7: likely therefore and they said that let's see, uh the
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  Speaker 7: director in I say's passport office. Okay, so it said
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  Speaker 7: that it gives her information, it gives her clearance as
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 7: top secret, which is extremely interesting.
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  Speaker 4: And her.
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  Speaker 7: Passport was her travel was supposed to last for about
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 7: four months, right, So Okay, that's fine. Not sure if
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 7: that's your housewife type of assignment with three kids, but
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 7: we digress. Date of return October thirtieth, nineteen fifty nine. Well,
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 7: because I'm a finance guy, Rob, I happened to do
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 7: the math and that is six months, not four. But
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 7: the CIA isn't great with their dates either and their
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 7: travel status. For Katya Catherine Jacob's Union of Soviet Social
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  Speaker 7: Republics Plural Denmark assumed duties as press radio officer for
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  Speaker 7: American National Exhibition. In addition to the above mentioned passport application.
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  Speaker 4: Blah blah blah blah blah. Oh, this is where I
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 4: want to get it, Rob, she was a natural national
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  Speaker 4: of Czechoslovakia.
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  Speaker 7: Now, Rob, as a little pop quiz. In our some
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 7: journey that I won't name of the name, we dealt
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 7: with the Czechoslovakian prefix.
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  Speaker 4: Do you remember we dealt with an alleged Czechoslovakian prefix,
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 4: of which there was only one other example, and that was,
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  Speaker 4: of course a country identifier, not an operation or project name,
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 4: as was Dive Circuit.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, I just found it very interesting that they had
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 7: this lady reach out to her when she was from
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  Speaker 7: that area.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 4: And you possibly have Wanda.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 7: Martin, the wife of James Herbert Martin, and dealing with
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 7: that type of prefix. Rob and I kind of agree
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 7: that that that prefix might have been a head fake
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 7: type of thing, although the chief of Base Berlin was
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 7: definitely c seed on that document. But uh, I just
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 7: that just stood out.
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  Speaker 4: To me, so I wanted to, Oh, yeah, it's interesting
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 4: for sure, highlight it, right.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 7: And this is of the uh that Office of Security
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 7: for the Information Agency place best agent Chuck Taylor. I
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 7: love his shoes, yeah, but this is the most Yeah.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 4: So let me see. Sadly they don't make Chuck Taylors
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 4: an extra wide. I have Fred Flintstone feet. I cannot
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 4: wear Chuck Taylors anymore. Mhm hm.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 7: So let's see. This is the Secret Service agent Charles
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  Speaker 7: Taylor called the office and the purpose of them listing sorry,
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  Speaker 7: the agency assistance of the iOS investigation being conducted by
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  Speaker 7: the Secret Service on behalf of the Warrant Commission.
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  Speaker 22: Concerning the assassination of former President Kennedy. As you know,
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 22: Marina Oswalt was under the protective custody of the Secret
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 22: Service until she completed her testimony before the Warren Commission.
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  Speaker 4: Time out. That's a lie. It can be well banded intelligence, Joe.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 4: That's why that intelligence age. He's not around anymore. It
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 4: could be.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 7: It definitely implies that the Secret Service was was monitoring
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 7: and or kind of controlling her up to the war
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 7: and Commission testimony, which, as we know with the Jacobs
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 7: and James Martin.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 4: Well not the whole time. They were with her immediately
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 4: after the assassination, and they accompanied them at the hotel
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 4: for a time when she was in Washington.
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  Speaker 7: I agree, but the way this document is worded, I
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 7: understand that. I'm just yeah, but I found that very interesting.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 7: I'm not like taking it, Oklin Sinker, But.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 4: I want to show you something real quick, Joe, because
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 4: you see I'm still choppy, right. Yes, So I ran
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 4: an Internet speed test on my gateway. I have Exfinity. Okay,
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 4: check this out. I don't know if you can see
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 4: this or not. It might take a second to clear up,
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 4: but you're gonna have to read it to me. Okay. Anyway,
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 4: My plan speed is twelve hundred megabytes per second. Okay,
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 4: I'm rolling fourteen hundred and one point nine megabits per second.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 4: It was with a fourteen millisecond latency, which is fast
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 4: is good. I tested the connection is good, so I
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 4: don't know why I am lagging. It's frustrating. I apologize
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 4: to you people, but my internet is one point. Unless
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 4: there's somebody in a van outside of my house pointing
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 4: a dish at my ship, uh you know, which is
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 4: entirely possible. I might have to go check it out.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 4: When you don't, you can't roll it up. It's unbelievable
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 4: with this, with this speed, I should be able to
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 4: you know, it should be like super real time, not
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 4: just choppy leg crap. Man. It's frustrating. I apologize, and
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 4: I just wanted to let every know it's not on me.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 4: I got great internet. I got great internet for a reason,
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 4: because this is what I do.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 10: You know.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's frustrating when it doesn't work and you're paying,
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 4: you know, a lot of money a month for great
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 4: internet and this ship happens. But anyway, I digress.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 7: If you want my theory, I think it's, you know,
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 7: the deep State is kind of getting back on you
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 7: for your three hundred episodes of.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 4: Calling them out, and uh yeah, we'll have him because
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 4: like Garden and Gun says three hundred more. Yeah.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so I was doing the math garden and guns,
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 7: and so say we do six months, four episodes a month, right,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 7: that's twenty four forty episodes a year round that the.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 4: Fifth Turin Horse. No, like, Joe just cut out, like
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 4: what the hell is going on here? I think his
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 4: laptop probably died. But no, my kid, I literally just
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 4: put Okay, my kid bought me a new uh, a
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 4: new webcam with a built in gimbal that follows me
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 4: wherever I go. It's pretty cool. I don't have to
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 4: touch it. And it is an AI powered four K
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 4: webcam that cost two hundred and fifty dollars. So it
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 4: is not my shitty webcam. It's not shitty, and it's
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 4: not my computer. This computer is like a year old.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 14: It is.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 4: The deep State took me out too where I know.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 4: So I'm just saying, I got, you know, this computers
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 4: a year old. It's it's HP running Windows eleven, you know,
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 4: with a Intel seven processor. I mean it's it's good stuff.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 4: And now I'm not frozen anymore. But uh, yeah, I
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 4: was telling I got a new uh I got I
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 4: got a new webcam that follows me if I move. Oh, Wow.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 4: See that. Yeah, Yeah, my kid bought me this Ai
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 4: powered four K webcam for Father's Day, so I just
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 4: got around to put it on.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 7: But that's really cool.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty sweet. Right, that is really cool.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 7: Garden guns they got me too, but I've forgot to
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 7: plug in. Yeah, I was yapping like sixteen barbers. But
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 7: it would take us. Wow, it would take a long
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 7: time to get back to three hundred. Would take us
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 7: about six years, for five or six years for our
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 7: calculations to get to three hundred if we were three
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 7: hundred more, if we were to continue on the pace
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 7: we are now. But we might just do it, and
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 7: we hope you all will join us for that ride.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 4: And uh, your audio is in the toilet. You're serving
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 4: in the toilet again, Joe, oh man, they are cleared up.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 7: I don't know what the hell they want to rain
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 7: on your parade, but we won't let them.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 4: We'll keep coming back.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 7: We don't give a fu. We are persistent, and uh,
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 7: it's all because of our leader, the Big Bad Bob,
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 7: and I guess we'll we'll wrap it up now if
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 7: you if you like, Rob, But I just want to thank.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 4: You again for your dedication to the subject and everything.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 4: Thank you everyone. Well, trust me, Joe, I wouldn't I
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 4: wouldn't still be doing it if people didn't listen. So
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 4: all of the thanks go to our faithful listeners, our
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 4: faithful friends, our supporters. You know, we wouldn't be here
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 4: without and we'll wouldn't be doing the show without you.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 4: I always thought when I was doing it way way
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 4: back that you know, I'm like just talking to nobody
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 4: for a long time. But you know, the numbers just
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 4: kept going up and up and up and up and
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 4: up and up and up. So without without the faithful listeners,
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 4: you know, this wouldn't be possible. Three hundred wouldn't be possible.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 4: And I appreciate each and every one of you out
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 4: there listening. Keep it up and we'll keep cranking them
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 4: out or cranking on our joints one of the other. Anyway.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 4: That's it for us. People. Talk to you next week.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 19: Peace, Peace in fragments, frozen pieces, Fuck you, Jube, Steve Yes,
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 19: eat a deal.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 4: That's you guys, been thief day. Peace, Love you, three hundred.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 4: This is Sparta. Mm hmm