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Steve Price | 15 November · Steve Price

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  Speaker 1: Live. This is Steve.
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  Speaker 2: Price, Welcome to the show. This is not Steve Price,
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  Speaker 2: it's Caroline Marcus filling in for Pricey. Tonight on the
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  Speaker 2: show this evening, we reveal the ABC's extreme diversity and
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  Speaker 2: inclusion measures, triggered by a recent review which found systemic
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  Speaker 2: racism within the Public Broadcaster. I'll tell you which common
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  Speaker 2: phrases are now racist. Shortly plus pro Palestinian protesters call
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  Speaker 2: off a planned demonstration outside Meyer's Christmas windows in Melbourne
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  Speaker 2: following huge backlash. But the damage has been already done.
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  Speaker 2: The latest word from the retail giants. Soon and Donald
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  Speaker 2: Trump reveals more members of his cabinet. We'll look at
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  Speaker 2: the appointments, stunning even members of his own party. But
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  Speaker 2: first tonight I can reveal new diversity and inclusion measures
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  Speaker 2: at the ABC to come out of the controversial racism
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  Speaker 2: review and a warning. These will really have you questioning
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  Speaker 2: why more than a billion dollars of public money every
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  Speaker 2: year continues to fund this radical activist rubbish Magno mistake,
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  Speaker 2: This stuff is DEI on steroids. Here's what's happening. The
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  Speaker 2: four thousand strong staff at the Public Broadcaster were told
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  Speaker 2: this week they must complete a compulsory seventy five minute
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  Speaker 2: training course by the end of the month entitled building
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  Speaker 2: an Inclusive Culture. Now within that course a section on
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  Speaker 2: how to avoid language with racial connotations. Employees are advised
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  Speaker 2: the following phrases could be offensive to people from quote
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  Speaker 2: those races, and then helpfully provided inclusive alternatives. So instead
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  Speaker 2: of saying Chinese whispers, for example, staff are to all
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  Speaker 2: to use the term misinformation, as if that word isn't
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  Speaker 2: already overused and politically loaded. And instead of saying someone
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  Speaker 2: has gone walk about, it's suggested they use the word absent.
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  Speaker 2: And here's the one I really don't get. Employees are
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  Speaker 2: told to avoid the phrase no can do and instead
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  Speaker 2: say I can't help. We ask the network what race
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  Speaker 2: is being referred to with the phrase no can do. Well.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't get a direct response, but NBCU Academy, an
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  Speaker 2: education program associated with the company that runs the left
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  Speaker 2: leaning US networks NBC and MSNBC, set in twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 2: The term was popularized by white Americans in the late
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  Speaker 2: nineteenth century to mock the accented, sometimes ungrammatical English of
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  Speaker 2: Chinese immigrants. It also reckons common to like pow wow,
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  Speaker 2: gung ho and call a spade a spade or have
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  Speaker 2: racist undertones, so expect those to be outlawed by the
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  Speaker 2: public broadcasters soon too. The madness doesn't end their oo. Yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: all staff were sent a calendar invite welcoming them to
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  Speaker 2: join a transgender Day of Remembrance event being held in
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  Speaker 2: the ABC's Ultimo Foyer in Sydney and streamed nationally next week.
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  Speaker 2: The event is to honor and reflect on the lives
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  Speaker 2: of the trans and gender diverse siblings we have lost
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  Speaker 2: and will be hosted by mon Shafter Pronounce Hei She,
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  Speaker 2: featuring performances by Malaikah Mafami pronounce he him. Now. I
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  Speaker 2: don't have a real problem with an employee run group,
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  Speaker 2: ABC Pride organizing its own events, even though you'd assume
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  Speaker 2: they're being paid for on the taxpayers die. But this
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  Speaker 2: week was of course also Remembrance Day, the day we
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  Speaker 2: commemorate the brave soldiers killed in World War one and two,
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  Speaker 2: so you'd presume the ABC also held an event in
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  Speaker 2: the foyer for staff who may wish to gather together
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  Speaker 2: to observe a minute's silence and pay tribute to those
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  Speaker 2: soldiers who lost their lives for our freedom, but apparently not.
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  Speaker 2: Our ABC insider told us they received no such invite
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  Speaker 2: to an event like that. When we asked the broadcaster,
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  Speaker 2: does the ABC think it appropriate a transgender Day of
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  Speaker 2: Remembrance is recognized with a workplace event, while Remembrance Day
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  Speaker 2: is not. The ABC's response was to dump on News Corp.
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  Speaker 2: It's a shame to see Sky News attempt to manufacture division,
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  Speaker 2: especially when it involves what is recognized as a highly
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  Speaker 2: vulnerable group. Perhaps before blaming us, they should check some
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  Speaker 2: of their own staff who aren't too happy about where
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  Speaker 2: their employers' priorities seem to lie. But most of the
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  Speaker 2: ABC's staff are no doubt entirely captured by this extreme
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  Speaker 2: progressive agenda. The inclusivity training was, after all, introduced after
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  Speaker 2: employees complained about not feeling welcomed into their workplaces and
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  Speaker 2: not feeling like their voices were being heard, and so
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  Speaker 2: the new Inclusive Team Planning Project was launched in July
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  Speaker 2: to quote promote equity mature staffer building their own inclusive culture.
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  Speaker 2: The entire pilava comes after former Q and A host
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  Speaker 2: Stan Grant sensationally stepped down from the show last year
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  Speaker 2: after the fallout from his coverage of King Charles's coronation.
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  Speaker 2: I'm stepping away for a little while.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes we need to just take time out.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes our souls are hurting, and so it.
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  Speaker 1: Is for me.
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  Speaker 2: The Indigenous presenter later accused the ABC of failing to
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  Speaker 2: support him in the wake of racial abuse. No one
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  Speaker 2: the ABC has uttered one word of public support. This
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  Speaker 2: is an institutional failure, Grant said in a column on
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  Speaker 2: the ABC's own website. A subsequent review found racism was
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  Speaker 2: systemic in the ABC's ranks. Of one hundred and twenty
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  Speaker 2: staff interview, just one said they hadn't personally experienced racism,
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  Speaker 2: and that person said they were still aware of it
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  Speaker 2: happening at the ABC. So q these latest extreme DEI
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  Speaker 2: initiatives earlier this year, and ABC insider told The Australian
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  Speaker 2: there were widespread concerns within the organization about the impact
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  Speaker 2: this training could have on programming. It could have serious
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  Speaker 2: implications for content if we now have language dictats. That
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  Speaker 2: insider says, now we know what's Some of those implications
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  Speaker 2: are more references to misinformation. For a start, does the
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  Speaker 2: public broadcaster think taxpayers are going to cop these attempts
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  Speaker 2: to paint even the most innocuous commonplace phrases is racist. Sorry, ABC,
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  Speaker 2: No Can Do.
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  Speaker 4: Well.
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  Speaker 2: For more on this issue, I'm joined by Executive director
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  Speaker 2: of the Institute of Public Affairs, Scott Hargreave. Scott, thanks
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  Speaker 2: for your time tonight. You heard what we revealed in
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  Speaker 2: my editorial there about phrases such as Chinese whispers, gone
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  Speaker 2: walk about, No Can Do Now being suggested as racially
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  Speaker 2: offensive by the ABC. What did you make of that?
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  Speaker 5: Well, as you say, it's all about priorities. In any workplace,
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  Speaker 5: people are entitled to be traded with respect and any
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  Speaker 5: instances of actual racism should be a board. But what
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  Speaker 5: we're seeing here, what you've provided that the audience with
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  Speaker 5: Caroline is a win into the woke obsessions of the
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  Speaker 5: inner city elites that actually drive the agenda within the ABC.
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  Speaker 5: You've lifted the bonnet on the sort of things that
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  Speaker 5: they're worried about day in, day out, and why they're
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  Speaker 5: worried about these things. They're not actually focused on their
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  Speaker 5: core mission, which is serving the Australian public, actually being
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  Speaker 5: a national broadcaster which reflects our national diversity in all
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  Speaker 5: its elements. Instead is extremely narrow agenda built around DEI
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  Speaker 5: and grievance politics and identity politics. And that's what these
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  Speaker 5: leaked documents really reveal. And as you say, I loved
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  Speaker 5: your work actually questioning the so called language guidelines. If
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  Speaker 5: our national broadcaster, which should have a facility with the
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  Speaker 5: English language greater than the average institution, can't even work
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  Speaker 5: out what these phrases mean or purport to me, then
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  Speaker 5: we really do have a problem.
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  Speaker 2: What chance does anyone have really? Now we also reveal
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  Speaker 2: there that staff were invited to this transgender Day of
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  Speaker 2: Remembrance workplace event this week, yet there was no such
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  Speaker 2: event for Remembrance Day on Monday. I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: be down on people who identify as trans that's not
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  Speaker 2: what this is about. But what do you think most
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  Speaker 2: Australians would think of the fact there wasn't an actual
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  Speaker 2: Remembrance Day event and yet there's one that's being held
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  Speaker 2: for this very small group.
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  Speaker 5: It'd be hugely disappointed. It's not dishonoring the people who've
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  Speaker 5: made enormous sacrifices, sometimes the ultimate sacrifice for the Australian people,
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  Speaker 5: and they're not being on it, they're not being remembered.
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  Speaker 5: But we do see, as you say, the Transgender Day Remembrance,
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  Speaker 5: which is fine if that's if that's what you want
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  Speaker 5: to do. But this is the ABC that we took
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  Speaker 5: looking about and under the National Charter they're actually meant
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  Speaker 5: to contribute as a national broadcast to our sense of
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  Speaker 5: national identity. And what was more central to our sense
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  Speaker 5: of national identity than the ANZAC experience the First World War,
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  Speaker 5: our first expeditionary force as a nation, and then Remembrance
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  Speaker 5: Day which bought that terrible war in which so many
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  Speaker 5: sons and daughters of Australia died. That is central to
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  Speaker 5: our national identity. But the ABC is not interested in that.
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  Speaker 5: They'd rather let the staff collective drive the agenda by saying,
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  Speaker 5: our most important thing to think about this week is
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  Speaker 5: Transgender Day of Remembrance.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned the charter there, and let's be honest.
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  Speaker 2: Lots of commercial organizations these days have this kind of
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  Speaker 2: radical dei staff. But the problem is that it's taxpayers
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  Speaker 2: who are funding it. When it comes to the ABC,
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  Speaker 2: the broadcaster's own annual report this year revealed it spent
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  Speaker 2: a record one point one billion dollars more than that
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  Speaker 2: actually in public funds, even as audience numbers have declined
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  Speaker 2: across most platforms yet ABC check Kim Williams says they
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  Speaker 2: need more funding to tell Australian stories. I'm taking a
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  Speaker 2: wild guest here, Scott, but you don't agree with that,
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  Speaker 2: do you.
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  Speaker 5: There's two aspects of that. The first is this dei agenda.
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  Speaker 5: It has been a feature of corporations, of even Australian corporations,
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  Speaker 5: until recently. It has to be said, Caroline, that they
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  Speaker 5: are running a million miles from this. The new catchphrase
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  Speaker 5: that's increasingly being spoken about, get this merit and excellence.
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  Speaker 5: It'd be great if the ABC actually started to focus
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  Speaker 5: on merit and excellence of its people and having broadcasters
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  Speaker 5: that people actually want to listen to, reporters who are
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  Speaker 5: actually able to present news, rather than chasing their diversity,
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  Speaker 5: equity and inclusion points. And Kim Williams is half right, Caroline.
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  Speaker 5: What is important is our Australian way of life. We
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  Speaker 5: do need Australian stories too. The ABC used to be
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  Speaker 5: very good at that as as one of the great
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  Speaker 5: cultural institutions telling Australian stories. We do need more of them.
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  Speaker 5: We don't want to be just an offshoot of America
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  Speaker 5: or Europe. We are a nation of our own. But
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  Speaker 5: the ABC is the last institution in the world that
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  Speaker 5: I would be giving money to to tell Australian stories
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  Speaker 5: because they will put everything through their DEI lens, which,
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  Speaker 5: apart from anything else, makes for extremely boring programs, which
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  Speaker 5: is why the ratings are going so down.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, and it does explain the declining numbers in part. Well,
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  Speaker 2: this report also revealed some of the ABC's top brass
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  Speaker 2: received pay bumps. And that's despite these declining audience numbers
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  Speaker 2: that we talk about. And this so called funding gap
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  Speaker 2: that doesn't wash with taxpayers, does it, and nor doesn't
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  Speaker 2: I imagine wash with the staff members at the ABC.
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  Speaker 5: Well that's right, another one of these top heavy government
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  Speaker 5: organizations that we see in camera. But in this case,
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  Speaker 5: again we're in a context where they've managed to alienate
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  Speaker 5: their own audience. They've managed to depart from their charter
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  Speaker 5: if they are going to argue for getting money from
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  Speaker 5: hard working Australians, and there's questionable where they even should
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  Speaker 5: exist in the current form. But if they're going to
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  Speaker 5: be out there putting their hand out for money, Australians
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  Speaker 5: will be able entitled to ask what are they getting
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  Speaker 5: for it, and if those executives actually had performance linked pay,
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  Speaker 5: they wouldn't be getting pay rises. They would be either
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  Speaker 5: getting paid cuts or on the way out the door. Caroline,
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  Speaker 5: Journalists in your organization have to perform wonderful team. If
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  Speaker 5: you're not breaking news, if you're not reporting news, if
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  Speaker 5: you're not bringing an audience to the programs, well generally
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  Speaker 5: that's pretty career limiting. But at the ABC you get
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  Speaker 5: rewarded for it. All you've got to do is keep
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  Speaker 5: asking for more money and engage in a bit of
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  Speaker 5: grievance politics, and you've got a job for life.
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  Speaker 2: We saw some of that grievance that the response that
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  Speaker 2: the spokesperson gave us for asking questions was to have
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  Speaker 2: a crack at News Corp. Of course, because they can't
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  Speaker 2: possibly have scrutiny despite getting a billion dollars a year
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  Speaker 2: in public funding, can they?
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  Speaker 6: Now?
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  Speaker 2: The ABC also took a hit to its credibility following
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  Speaker 2: the revelation that fake gunshots were added to a story
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  Speaker 2: they ran about war crimes in Afghanistan. Scott Where does
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  Speaker 2: something like this leave them their credibility? Now?
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  Speaker 5: Well, this is the irony of constantly using the advertising
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  Speaker 5: slogan that they're the most trusted news source in Australia.
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  Speaker 5: If they were the most trusted news source in Australia,
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  Speaker 5: perhaps more Australians would actually go to it to get
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  Speaker 5: their news. But they're actually again, their audience share is shrinking,
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  Speaker 5: and it's partly because of episodes like this where we
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  Speaker 5: see again and again bias, tedious programming, woke obsessions and
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  Speaker 5: in this case, really a smoking gun about what is
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  Speaker 5: going on inside that organization. To reuse the phrase, it's
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  Speaker 5: a look under the bonnet of how things are done
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  Speaker 5: inside the ABC and in a very non transparent way,
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  Speaker 5: and whenever they're exposed, they're extremely defensive. Nothing to see here.
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  Speaker 5: Please move on, you guys at News Corp. You're just
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  Speaker 5: trying to take shots at the ABC. But in this
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  Speaker 5: case they have been held dead to rights and no
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  Speaker 5: one's been accountable for it.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, well we're definitely holding them to account tonight. It's
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  Speaker 2: got hard Graves. Thank you so much for your time tonight. Well,
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  Speaker 2: it was welcome news today when the pro Palestinian protest
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  Speaker 2: group planning to crash the Maya Christmas windows unveiling in
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  Speaker 2: Melbourne CBD back down following public backlash, but with the
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  Speaker 2: splinter group crash the Christmas windows to disrupt the long
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  Speaker 2: standing family tradition. If the department store went ahead with
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  Speaker 2: its plans to launch on Sunday, Maya has now again
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  Speaker 2: called off the event. It was on, it was off,
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  Speaker 2: it was on, It's now off again. Now this protest
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  Speaker 2: group has said children and Australia shouldn't have more rights
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  Speaker 2: to enjoy Christmas than the children in Palestine. Honestly, how
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  Speaker 2: does this stuff help anyone in the Middle East? Well
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  Speaker 2: tonight to help me unpack it all and maybe explain
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  Speaker 2: that to me is Liberal MP for Barrero Julian. Lisa Julian,
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  Speaker 2: thanks so much for your time tonight. I'm confused as
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  Speaker 2: to where the latest is, but for the moment, it
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  Speaker 2: seems the protesters have one and the launch event is off.
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  Speaker 2: This is now the second Christmas in a row that
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  Speaker 2: pro Palestinian protesters have become the grinches, trying to ruin
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  Speaker 2: events aimed at kids. Australians are sick of this, aren't they.
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  Speaker 7: I think they're hardly sick of it, Caroline. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: you know, we want to have it, We want to
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  Speaker 7: get our cities back. Christmas is a time of joy
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  Speaker 7: for people. People love going down to see the Christmas
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  Speaker 7: displays that are on in supermarket windows. I remember myself
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  Speaker 7: going with my mum my grandmother on the train, as
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  Speaker 7: many Australians did in Sydney to the equivalent window displays,
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  Speaker 7: and you're excited every year to see this. Christmas should
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  Speaker 7: be a time of joy for Australians, not a time
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  Speaker 7: for protest. And I think Australians are increasingly fed up
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  Speaker 7: with the way in which these pro Palestine protesters conduct themselves.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, these are the people that yesterday painted and
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  Speaker 7: attacked the electorate office of my colleague in Brisbane, Ross Fasta.
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  Speaker 7: These are the people that engage in graffiting Jewish businesses.
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  Speaker 7: They're the people at the Landforces protests that through door
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  Speaker 7: knobs and cans and chairs at police and tried to
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  Speaker 7: harm horses who were there as part of keep the peace.
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  Speaker 7: We're looking in Australia I think a bit of a
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  Speaker 7: laughing stock. It's time our government and it's time the
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  Speaker 7: authorities actually took the side of Laura abiding Australians and
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  Speaker 7: allowed people to celebrate Christmas, to enjoy the joy of
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  Speaker 7: Christmas like they've always done here instead of constantly bowing
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  Speaker 7: down to these minority protesters.
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  Speaker 2: Well, speaking of government, Victorian premierges Into Alan was part
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  Speaker 2: of the backlash to those threats to protest. She tweeted,
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  Speaker 2: I am furious that a small group of people have
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  Speaker 2: chosen to politicize a beautiful event for children. I'm just
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  Speaker 2: as mad as at all the others who have quietly
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  Speaker 2: stoked this division and egged them on. But hang on, Julian,
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  Speaker 2: there have been weekly protests now in Melbourne and here
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  Speaker 2: in Sydney where we are, for more than a year.
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  Speaker 2: And what have these state and federal governments actually done
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  Speaker 2: about them?
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  Speaker 7: Well, I want to see more than just tweets from
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  Speaker 7: the state premiers. I want to see them directing the
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  Speaker 7: police to enforce the laws at these protests. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: at a number of these protests, you've had people glorifying
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  Speaker 7: terrorist organizations. I mean, when we list terrorist organizations in
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  Speaker 7: this country like Hamas and hesblah, that should mean something.
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  Speaker 7: That should mean that people shouldn't be able to protest
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  Speaker 7: in favor of their actions. They shouldn't be able to
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  Speaker 7: hold up pictures of their leaders. They shouldn't be able
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  Speaker 7: to pretend that they're not protesting in their favor when
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  Speaker 7: they actually are, and it's time the law was enforced.
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  Speaker 7: We've got a crisis of law enforcement in this country
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  Speaker 7: and whether it's the state authorities or the federal authorities,
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  Speaker 7: people have failed to actually let law abiding Australians go
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  Speaker 7: about their business. And we've been seeing this since the
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  Speaker 7: ninth of October lastd you of those dreadful Opera House protests.
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  Speaker 7: Enough is enough. It's time for the Federal Attorney Mark Dreyfus,
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  Speaker 7: for the Federal Home Affairs Minister to exercise their powers,
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  Speaker 7: as it is time for the state premiers and the
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  Speaker 7: state attorney generals and police ministers to direct the police
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  Speaker 7: to actually take strong action here and restore the streets
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  Speaker 7: to the Laura Biody.
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  Speaker 2: Well, maybe this is a hint as to how the
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  Speaker 2: government has emboldened these protesters. Tell me if I'm right here.
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  Speaker 2: The federal government has been accused of deception after abandoning
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  Speaker 2: a long time by part of the partisan position rather
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  Speaker 2: to vote in favor of Palestinian sovereignty over natural resources
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  Speaker 2: in the occupied territories of the un Now. Anthony Alberanezi
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  Speaker 2: said before the election there'd be no change in the
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  Speaker 2: Middle East position under a Labor government, But we've now
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  Speaker 2: reversed our position five times in the past two years.
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  Speaker 2: The government seems increasingly hostile to the Jewish state. Julian,
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  Speaker 2: Why is this latest betrayal so disappointing?
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  Speaker 7: Well, you know, I think our foreign policy should be
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  Speaker 7: based on values, and there was a bear faced Li
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  Speaker 7: teld to the Jewish community before the last election that
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  Speaker 7: there'd be no difference between the Labor Party and the
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  Speaker 7: Coalition on Israel and the Jewish community. And what we've
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  Speaker 7: seen for the Labor Party even before the seventh October,
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  Speaker 7: has been backsliding repeatedly in relation to Israel, whether it's
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  Speaker 7: increasing the funding to UNRA and restoring the funding to UNRA,
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  Speaker 7: as they've done repeatedly, whether it was failing to recognize
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  Speaker 7: and maintain the position of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel,
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  Speaker 7: and as you point out, several United Nations votes where
• 21:26
  Speaker 7: Labor has stood not with our traditional ally, not with
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: our most important li the United States on these matters,
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: and not in accordance with our values, standing with a
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: sim similar Western liberal democracy. Instead, they've tried to insert
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: themselves to deal with issues that have always been regarded
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: as final status issues in this country. I think we're
• 21:46
  Speaker 7: sending a terrible signal right around the world that our
• 21:50
  Speaker 7: foreign policy is going to be dictated by the internal
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: machinations and power struggles within the Labor Party rather than
• 21:58
  Speaker 7: what is in Australia's life, long term national interests.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: You know, we've seen just quickly, we've seen Donald Trump's
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: new administration already a lot of pro Israel hawks on there.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, it seems that the gap is widening between
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Australia's position and the US when it comes to the
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Middle East. Do you foresee this being an issue in
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: our relations with the US?
• 22:21
  Speaker 7: Well, I think it is. And you have to remember
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: the Biden administration is still in power, and the Biden
• 22:26
  Speaker 7: administration did not vote with Australia here at this particular
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: UN resolution. And yes, the Trump administration is going to
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: be stronger in relation to Israel. Donald Trump's signature policy
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: was the Abraham Accords, which have had a transformative and
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: really positive effect on the Middle East. And I'm hoping
• 22:49
  Speaker 7: that he will crack on with more of that. And
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: if Australia is adopting this sort of nineteen seventies style
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: anti Israel policy, increasingly, we will put our at odds
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: with our most important ally.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the warrior, isn't it okay? Julian Lisa, thank
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: you so much for your time tonight. Still ahead tonight.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump hits the ground running, assembling his cabinet ahead
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: of his January inauguration, but some of his picks have
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: surprised even his own party, and Queensland's new LL and
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: P government strikes the crushing blow to the CFMEU. Former
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Premier Campbell Newman joins me next. Welcome back to the show.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Let's head to Queensland now, and I'm joined by Friday
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: regular and former Queensland Premier Campbell Newman. Campbell, welcome. The
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: new LL ANDP government yesterday temporarily suspended the cfmeu's controversial
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: best Practice industry conditions policy for all future major government
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: projects now. The move is designed to cut costs and
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: boost productivity. But the union isn't too happy about that,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: is it, Campbell?
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: That isn't indeed, Caroline, it actually should be called great
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: Big Union Raughts program because that's what it was all
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: designed to do. It wasn't about looking after the welfare
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: and safety workers. That has complete sophistry. It's nonsense.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: It was about.
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: Featherbedding, it was about union control. It had all sorts
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: of clauses in there that meant that workplaces were very
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: non productive. And it's good that the government has done it.
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: I'm watching with us some amusement to the Deputy Premier
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: Jared Blay was sort of confronted at a sort of
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: a construction industry event yesterday morning by some CFMAU people.
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: But also he's been taken to task by his former
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: sparring partner from the ETU. It's so it's on for
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: young and old again. But this time I think the
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: CFMU and the et you're in a far worse position
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: they worked ten years ago when we try to confront
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: them over some of these things.
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: Well.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Following the near two week power outage in Broken Hill
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: only a few weeks ago, Banana Shi and Mayor Neville
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Farrier says he fears similar mass outages for outback Queensland
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: amid the Russian renewables. It comes as a Federal Parliamentary
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Parliamentary Nuclear Energy Inquiry heard that Queensland lives and land
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: are being destroyed by the rollout of solar and wind
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: farms and pumped hydro projects. Campbell Look Labor ran on
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: renewables in the state election and we all know how
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: that turned out. Clearly Queenslanders aren't on board with the staff.
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: Well, if you go west of the Great Dividing Range, Caroline,
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: you'll find these huge disquiet about this. This Parliamentary Committee
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: had hearings in Billa Wheeler in central Queensland and then
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: Nanango and the South Burnett in the last few days.
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: So yes, you had the mayor speaking, you had the
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: mayor one of the mayors, Kathy for LMP member, I
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: have to acknowledge the day, but also my colleague Jim
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: Wilmot of the Libertarian Party who also used to have
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: our property rights Australia, and they are sounding the clarion
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: call that we are trashing high quality agricultural land and
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: we're actually destroying ironically pristine bushland, particularly on a Great
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: Dividing Range where we're blasting the tops literally off mountains,
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: carving roads and infrastructure easements through this bushland where there
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: are all sorts of wonderful native species and I'm sure
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: I'm confident many threatened. But that's okay because this is renewable.
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: I think the position that we need to adopt is
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: the coalitions. And sadly, the feedback that I get from
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: Jim Wilmot, who's been out on the ground is that
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: the Liberal National Party are not prosecuting this issue strong enough.
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: Jim conveyed to me today that he feels that the
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: LMP are basically being far too passive, that the Greens,
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: some elements of the left wing media and also the ALP,
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: they're determinedly fighting back, spreading misinformation and trying to create
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: a scare campaign in those communities. But the feedback that
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: we've seen from that mayor and the other people I've
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: mentioned just now is clear that rural communities aren't prepared
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: to cop the destruction that's going on at the moment
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: for much longer.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can tell you it's a big problem in
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: New South Wales too, when I visit places in my
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: reporting which have these huge renewable projects proposed for them
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: as well. Now I know this has been an ongoing
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: topic for price and you the twenty thirty two Olympic Games,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: and despite the cost blowouts, Premier David Chris Apoley insists
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: that sports venues can be built within the existing seven
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: billion dollar budget. Do you think he's dreaming. Well, I
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: hope he's right.
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: I'd like him to succeed, but I think it's a
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: really difficult ask given the massive escalation of costs.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Now, we talked just.
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: A moment ago about the way that they've ended for
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: the moment the union raughts program under this so called
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: the Best Industry Practice Initiative. I dare to call it that,
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: So that might make a big difference, but it is
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: going to be I think very difficult to stick within
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: that budget. As I've said on this program, we do
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: need a great new stadium for the games. For my money,
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: it's a private sector delivered stadium down at Hamilton North Shore.
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: I think that would minimize the cost at least to
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: the taxpayers.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: But we know many CBDs have struggled to recover after
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: the pandemic, Melbourne in particular. But some good news for
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Brisbane with retail vacancies tightening. Do you think Brisbane's CBD.
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: Is back, Well, it's back in terms of the office market.
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: And I could speak confidently on that because I am
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: involved in funds management and commercial property and there has
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: been a reduction in the vacancy. Vacancy is available on
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: the Brisbane CBD. People have come back to work the
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: incentives that landlords have to offer of dropping from a
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: high around forty forty five percent down to the mid
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: to high twenty so that's quite significant. However, retail I
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: think is still hurting depends on what part of the
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: CBD you're in. The top end of the Queen Street Mall,
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: the former Mayer Center I think is quite sad, and
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: I think there's some real rebuilding to be done to
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: encourage people back to the CBD and to actually get
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: it to be as vibrant as it was in the past.
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: But I don't think it's as bad as Melbourne. I
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: don't think anything could be as bad as Melbourne that's
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: been inflicted not just by COVID, by the terrible policies
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: of the Victorian Labor government.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Melbourne's that's a pretty low bar on most things,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: doesn't it.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Just quickly we know the Gold Coast is famous for
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: its theme parks, but Queensland's newest attraction could end up
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: eclipsing them all. Blui's World has opened inside a custom
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: made pavilion in the suburb of Hamilton, featuring four thousand
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: square meters of life size sets from the hit TV
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: show Campbell. I'm not sure if you're a fan. I'm
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: already thinking about when I can get my family there.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: I may be even a bigger fan than my kids,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: and they love the Hiller family.
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: Well, look, I think it's fantastic for Brisbane to know
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: that Blowey and Bingo and the rest of the family
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: have put the place on the world stage. It's great
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: as a local to see Brisbane backdrops in the shows. Now,
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: my kids are sort of around I'm thirty or some
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: showing my age, so I don't have grandkids. But I'm
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: actually pretty excited by this. I think it's fantastic. And
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: by the way, where this has been set up is
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: at Hamilton North Shore, and that's the location I was
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: talking about before. That will be fantastic for a new
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: Olympic stadium. And then, by the way, it's new where
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: the Olympic Village will be, and that's part of I
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: think that the whole argument that it is a great
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: place to attract people too. So it's terrific this is happening.
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: Good luck to the people behind it. I hope it
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: really succeeds and it does encourage people to come to Brisbane,
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: particularly families with their kids.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Well, it's encouraging me, I have to say. And I'm
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: not getting paid by the heel of family here. I
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: just really want to go Campbell Newman, thank you for
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: your time tonight. Now. Donald Trump has been very busy
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: assembling his new cabinet ahead of his inauguration on January twenty.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: But while some of his picks have been applauded, others
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: have been a little bit more controversial, even within his
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: own team and his own party. And for more on this,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: I'm joined by Sky News contributor Kosher Gado. Kosher welcome.
• 32:14
  Speaker 8: Look.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: We heard today that Robert Kennedy RFK Junior is going
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: to be the new Health Secretary. RFK Junior will go
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: wild with health, Donald Trump has said, so it's kind
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: of no surprise that he's given him this role. But
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: he's also a vocal anti vaxxer, and he's pledged to
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: take fluoride out of the US's drinking water, which is
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: horrified dentists around the world. A lot of Trump's picks
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: I think are brilliant. Marco Rubio, Tom Poeman, their hawks
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: and will really shake things up but RFK, he seems
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: dangerous to me in the health space. What do you think?
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so, you know, I think the big picture is
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: that he was obviously a big voice in the campaign.
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: It was in the most iconic, historically amazing campaign I
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: wo'd seen in American history, with the alignment that happened
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: with very iconic Democrats like RFK joining and that was
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: always part of the platform. I think they campaigned on
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: it very transparently that he would be put in charge
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: of something along the lines of health. And here you
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: see President Trump following through on that campaign promise. You know,
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: I think what he'll do there because there's campaign rhetoric
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: and then there's what's actually going to happen when they're
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: in a governing capacity, and what he has said. If
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: you look at some of the more deeper positions from RFK,
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: I think his number one thing is he wants to
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: really lift the raise the bar on safety testing and
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: transparency of clinical trials as it relates to vaccines, so
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: more so than anti vaxer I think what he's trying
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: to set up is a system where it's much more transparent,
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: potentially working with Congress to repeal immunity liability, which has
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: been something that he spent his career focusing on, which
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: is that vaccine manufacturers have immunity from being sued liability
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: if there are adverse reactions that happen after the fact.
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: He wants to remove that protection and then set up
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: what he calls informed consent where people can are free
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: to get the vaccines that they want, but the dynamic
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: around it with those legal protections would potentially change that picture.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: The other big thing he's talking about, as you mentioned,
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: is removing chemicals from the food supply and water fluoride
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: is one that he's mentioned because rhetorically in the campaign
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: that was a big issue and there's been some conflicting
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: signs around it, but I think it might even be
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: more around other chemicals and packaged foods, and America has
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: a lot more of that than even Australia or Europe.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: And he's trying to shift the overturned window. But we'll
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: see when it actually comes to governing. You know, you
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: may walk back some of that.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, it's some of the less extreme positions are
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: probably very welcome to the public. I'm just not so
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: sure about some of his more extreme positions. I've heard
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: things like links. He's talking about vaccine links to autism,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: which has been debunked, and that concerns me. But we'll
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: we'll see what happens when he actually gets in that role.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Another controversial pick is Florida Congressman Matt Gates as Attorney General.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Now he's been under investigation by the House Ethics Committee
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: over allegations including sexual misconduct. Even other Republicans are concerned,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: aren't they.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: Yes, he is probably right up there with RFK Junior,
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: maybe even more so as in terms of the most
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: controversial picks. He has a lot of enemies on both
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: sides of the aisle because he famously led the move
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: to remove the last House Speaker, Kevin McCarthy, which has
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: never happened in two hundred and forty five years of
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: the Republic. So that was a big deal a member
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: of his own party, because he was unhappy with some
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: of the bills or the continuing resolution for the budget
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: that McCarthy stood behind, and other issues.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: And of course on the other.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: Side, he's very outspoken, so a lot of the Democrats
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: really really dislike him. I think the reason why he's
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: been the pick it surprised many. It was quite amazing
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: that it didn't leak at all. Nobody really saw it.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: Is again, you know what the American people elected here
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: is a wrecking ball in Donald Trump. That's what he
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: campaigned on in sixteen, but then he fell into sort
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: of the safe zone in terms of how he governed.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: Now he's giving people a taste of what that looks
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: like and putting in somebody who will really shake things up,
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: and some of it I think might be voluntary. They're
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: saying that a lot of the DOJ might actually leave
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: a lot of the lower level people with him at
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: the helm and it'll clean out voluntarily, and then they're
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: going to bring in people that are in favor of
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: the America First agenda and particularly exposing a lot of
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: the politicization of the Justice Department that happened against Trump
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: and lots of Trump's allies over the last four years.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: And he himself has been the subject of that a
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: little bit. Those allegations that you mentioned, charges were never
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: brought to him, and so he's actually quite angry, I think,
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: righteously angry about that that these things were leaked in
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: the press but nothing came to bear. So he will
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: be a wrecking ball for better or for worse. But
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: we'll see if he gets through the Senate confirmation. Because
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: he's definitely controversial.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: I think there'll be a few wrecking balls among that
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: new administration. But we've also seen former soldier turned Fox
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: News host Pete Hexaf maybe he's one of them. He's
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: been named as Defense secretary, and former Trump adversary Marco
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Rubio named Secretary of State, and former Democrat Telsey Gabbard
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: as Director of National Intelligence. What did these appointments tell
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: you about the forthcoming administration?
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: You know, it's all part of that wrecking ball again,
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: not to repeat that phrase. And just the other thing
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: I would say is that they're all outsiders, so they
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: do have domain expertise related to the role, if not
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: exactly in it. And they definitely have strong leadership experience,
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: all of them, but they are outsiders to the system,
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: so it's a different profile. The second is they're all
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: very young, not RFK, but everybody else is in their forties.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: So that to me signals a passing of the guard
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: aspect where Trump is almost like the godfather now of
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: the America First movement. He's almost eighty years old, and
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: he's picking people that are very young and are going
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: to be able.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: To carry that baton onwards.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: And then also the third thing is that these folks
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: are outsiders, and back to that America first mantra with
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: these two, especially with Tulsi Gabbard and Pete Hegseth is
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: they are both anti war, even though they are both
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: veterans who served in active combat roles in Afghanistan and Iraq.
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: They're anti war unless the war is clearly, tangibly, visibly
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: relevant to advancing America's national interest. They're very much against
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: the foreign policy mantra that has colored both parties over
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: the last forty years. So this is definitely going to
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: signal shift back towards that non interventionalism, and as it
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: relates to Ukraine, as it relates to the Middle East
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: and other things, I think you're going to see more
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: of that pendulum shifting back to the Trumpian brand of
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: what peace to strength looks like.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well they've experienced I guess the horrors of the
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: war now. Very quickly, there were a flurry of celebrities
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: promising to leave the US if Trump was voted back in,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: and while many of the walk that back, some have
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: made good on the promise, and one of those is
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: actress Eva Longoria, who's left LA to split her time
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: between Mexico and Spain. Kosha, do you think we're going
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: to see more of these evacuations or was this just
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: talk for most of them? I think it's talk.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: You know, I've been hearing it for years and years,
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: and the bush Era and the Romney and Muckin and everybody,
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: even people far more muted than Trump. They always say that,
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: but then you know, they're mansions in Malibu.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Sim to always call for them and they don't follow through.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: Eva Longoria, I guess, is a little bit of an
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: exception here, and you know, good for her. She's somebody
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: who has that privilege that she can have properties and
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: you know, set up a life in different countries at
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: the snap of her finger, as most people aren't so lucky.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in one respect, I actually do respect her for
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: keeping her word on this. No one else seems to.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Kosha Gada very much for your time. Now.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Coming up next, the Housing Minister forced to backtrack after
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: claiming there are rentals in Sydney for two hundred dollars
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: a week and another cost blowout in Labor's renewables push
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: the staggering figure with the panel. Next, well, let's bring
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  Speaker 2: in my panel for a Friday Night Small Business Women
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  Speaker 2: Australia is Amanda Rose and Sky News contributor Joe Hildebrand.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to you.
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  Speaker 1: Both, great to be here.
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  Speaker 2: How are you very well? Thank you. Now let's start
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  Speaker 2: with this new report by energy experts Frontier Economics, which
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  Speaker 2: has found a five hundred million dollar black hole in
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  Speaker 2: Labour's plan for a renewables only power grid. New modeling
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  Speaker 2: shows replacing our predominantly coal fired system with mainly solar
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  Speaker 2: and wind will cost at least six hundred and forty
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  Speaker 2: two billion dollars. Now, Joe, that is a far cry
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  Speaker 2: from the one hundred and twenty two billion dollars quoted
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  Speaker 2: by labor.
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  Speaker 9: Oh, come on, what's half a trillion dollars between friends?
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  Speaker 1: Huh?
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  Speaker 9: I think the I think all this modeling is a
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  Speaker 9: little bit kind of Pine and the Sky. We all
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  Speaker 9: know modeling. What you put in is what you get out. Basically, Clearly,
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  Speaker 9: this was I think commissioned to show that it would
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  Speaker 9: in fact be far more expensive than it is. I
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  Speaker 9: have no doubt that it was going to blow out anyway.
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  Speaker 9: The scale of this blowout seems a bit kind of
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  Speaker 9: strange to me. You know, we're talking about three, four
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  Speaker 9: or five times what the cost would be.
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  Speaker 1: And again maybe.
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  Speaker 2: Possibly, I'm sure, I'm sure. Again, you do.
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  Speaker 9: Government government infrastructure projects always blow out.
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  Speaker 1: We all know that.
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  Speaker 9: You know, I've been riding the Sydney Metro that's blown out.
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  Speaker 9: It's an amazing thing, but it was way way more
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  Speaker 9: costly than it was meant to be. Same with every
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  Speaker 9: single motorway, every single toll road that you do, every single.
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  Speaker 1: Rail line, So they do blow out.
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  Speaker 9: But just the scale of that, and the fact that
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  Speaker 9: the modeling is actually measuring the cost differently as well,
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  Speaker 9: so it's actually judging the worth of these assets by
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  Speaker 9: a different criteria than the original costing did. So it
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  Speaker 9: just seems a little bit kind of appar oranges to me.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a bit rich though, when the government
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  Speaker 2: accuses the opposition of you know, talking about nuclear policy,
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  Speaker 2: that's going to be way.
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  Speaker 3: Too Absolutely, the reality is either they've misled everyone at
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  Speaker 3: the very beginning and knew was going to cost a lot,
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  Speaker 3: so they just wanted to get it pass, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the pub tests and people go yes and say, oh, Oops,
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  Speaker 3: it's too much, or they've just admitted that they can't
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  Speaker 3: manage money or budgets, and when their responsibility is to
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  Speaker 3: manage the budget and the economy of the entire country,
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  Speaker 3: then this does raise red flags.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you about some more red flags. Now
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  Speaker 2: we also learn this week Labor has added more than
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  Speaker 2: twenty six thousand bureaucrats to the payroll since it was elected,
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  Speaker 2: at a cost of more than five billion dollars. Amanda, again,
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  Speaker 2: are we getting any value for that?
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  Speaker 3: Look, I can't comment on the value of that. I
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  Speaker 3: do have a feeling that they're doing it to compensate
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  Speaker 3: for the unemployment happening from the small businesses being shut down,
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  Speaker 3: because that's actually going up. But then when you look
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  Speaker 3: at the data, it's like, oh, unemployment, it's not looking
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  Speaker 3: too bad. That's because they're compensating by hiring the people.
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  Speaker 3: Whether or not there's value, I'm not sure. I know
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  Speaker 3: that there's a lay in some of the departments that
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  Speaker 3: response times for people calling, getting their funds and so
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  Speaker 3: forth is actually taking longer than it should.
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  Speaker 2: So maybe it's an efficiency thing.
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  Speaker 3: So he shouldn't be hiring people just because things aren't
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  Speaker 3: going well. You should be looking at the processes first,
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  Speaker 3: then see if you need to hire.
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  Speaker 2: Feed Well, look as Labor tries to push through something else.
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  Speaker 2: It's misinformation bill. Some embarrassment for the Prime Minister as
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  Speaker 2: one of his own tweets about the proposed social media
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  Speaker 2: ban was fact checked with a community note on x
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  Speaker 2: joe under his own proposed legislation. Would that mean that
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  Speaker 2: that tweet would need to be wiped last.
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  Speaker 1: Time I heard?
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  Speaker 9: I'm not sure if it's progressed further since the Senate
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  Speaker 9: had blocked the Misinformation Bill. And I think, without wanting
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  Speaker 9: to get into the debate over assisted suicide, I think
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  Speaker 9: this is something that should perhaps just be quietly allowed
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  Speaker 9: to let die. I think this is I think it
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  Speaker 9: probably started with the best of intentions. Why no, it
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  Speaker 9: started with the best of intentions, But the Pandora's box
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  Speaker 9: that it could potentially open is truly chilling. And the
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  Speaker 9: ramifications of this, I mean, who decides what's right and
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  Speaker 9: wrong anymore? I mean they don't want to get a post.
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  Speaker 9: But you know, God doesn't work at Twitter anymore. Ever,
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  Speaker 9: since Elon Muskle is God, who knows the point being.
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  Speaker 1: This is?
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  Speaker 9: This is just this is just a philosophical, moral, ethical nightmare.
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  Speaker 9: The things should just be allowed to die. They go
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  Speaker 9: and can say, look all right, we did our best.
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  Speaker 9: You know, if something goes wrong, I can just blame
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  Speaker 9: it on the senators in the middle they blocked it.
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  Speaker 1: But this is not a hill to die on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't agree more. Now, speaking of misinformation news,
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  Speaker 2: Wells Housing Minister Rose Jackson has come under fire after
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  Speaker 2: these comments on radio this week. What do you reckon
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  Speaker 2: is a reasonable price to pay in rent for a
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  Speaker 2: two bedroom flat in Sydney?
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  Speaker 8: Well, I mean it kind of depends where in Sydney.
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  Speaker 8: I mean Sydney is a big city, you know, I
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  Speaker 8: mean a couple hundred bucks, right, Like, where can you.
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  Speaker 2: Get a two bedroom flat for a couple of hundred bucks?
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  Speaker 2: Well a week?
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  Speaker 8: I don't know there are places in Sydney you can.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, you know, is like there's a two bedroom
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  Speaker 8: flat and there's a two bedroom flat. Like not all
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  Speaker 8: flats are the same, you know. This is the thing
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  Speaker 8: about the housing market.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's just painful a matter. She's since walked back
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  Speaker 2: those remarks, saying she's got a history of giving garbled interviews,
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  Speaker 2: but seriously, two hundred dollars for rent in Sydney, and
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  Speaker 2: this is her portfolio.
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  Speaker 3: I know, and look, I always give people the benefit
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  Speaker 3: of the doubt once, right, So maybe she was nervous, distracted,
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  Speaker 3: a lot going on in her mind and so forth.
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  Speaker 3: But it isn't a good look because it's her portfolio,
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  Speaker 3: and so you know, and if it's a real if
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  Speaker 3: you know she really did say it and mean it
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  Speaker 3: and didn't understand, well, let's see, this is an opportunity
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  Speaker 3: for her to go and meet the people, look at
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  Speaker 3: what they're paying, and immerse herself into the grassroots that
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  Speaker 3: she's representing. So maybe it's an opportunity for her because
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  Speaker 3: I don't really like to jump on a mistake that
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  Speaker 3: someone's made when it's not a repeat mistake. But it's
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  Speaker 3: an opportunity for her to go and find out what
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  Speaker 3: people actually going through is.
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  Speaker 9: Can I just say this was Rose Jackson has been
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  Speaker 9: absolutely ferocious in championing for affordable housing. The state Labor
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  Speaker 9: government New South Wales announced a record I think it
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  Speaker 9: was eight billion dollars for social housing. That is more
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  Speaker 9: than any other government ever in all of Australia, in
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  Speaker 9: all of history, has spent on social housing and they
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  Speaker 9: did that because she has been lobbying.
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  Speaker 2: For it and chat that might be the number she's
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  Speaker 2: thinking of.
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  Speaker 1: And pushing for it.
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  Speaker 9: The question she was actually asking the radio interview which her,
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  Speaker 9: is what do you think is a reasonable amount of
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  Speaker 9: rent to be able to pay?
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  Speaker 1: In history? So the question she was answering or.
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  Speaker 2: Thought that she did say. Then they clarified and said,
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  Speaker 2: but you can't get somewhere, and.
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  Speaker 9: That's when she gets garbled, and that's when she says
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  Speaker 9: in some you know, in out of Sydney.
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  Speaker 2: Bedroom.
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  Speaker 1: But I think she was on the phone, she was Australia.
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  Speaker 9: But again, what she initially what the way she sort
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  Speaker 9: of dugress the initial it was how much she thought
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  Speaker 9: it was a fair amount for people to be paying,
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  Speaker 9: And of course she obviously low board it. She's completely
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  Speaker 9: in touch. I've been on campaigns for affordable housing and
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  Speaker 9: community housing with her.
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  Speaker 3: She I think it was affordable housing, not commercial.
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  Speaker 2: Well, look, I do like Rose. She was formerly a
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  Speaker 2: regular on Sky before she took this government position. She's great,
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  Speaker 2: but she just messed up on this occasion. Now it
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  Speaker 2: may not be such a merry Christmas this year, with
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  Speaker 2: warehouse workers threatening industrial action that could disrupt alcohol supplies,
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  Speaker 2: not the Christmas Booze. United Workers Union members have voted
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  Speaker 2: to take indefinite strike action at four Woolworthst distribution centers
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  Speaker 2: from next week. Amanda, bad news if you like a
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  Speaker 2: typle on Christmas.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's great news. So people won't be going
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  Speaker 3: to a large corporation to buy their alcohol. They can
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  Speaker 3: go to their local small business, their local bottle o
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  Speaker 3: over and support them and their family because that money
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  Speaker 3: will go directly to paying their children's school fees or
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  Speaker 3: their hockey gear or whatever it is.
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  Speaker 2: So I think it's a good thing. Joe.
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  Speaker 1: I just would love to be the PR officer for
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  Speaker 1: that union.
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  Speaker 9: Is sorry, you're doing what you're canceling Christmas? Right and
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  Speaker 9: how do we spit? Oh you're going to ban booze
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  Speaker 9: at Adoless and you're actually promising to do this. This
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  Speaker 9: is a commitment, right, Okay, So I'm doing the press release.
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  Speaker 1: I'm okay. No one's been great. Thank you very much
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  Speaker 1: all over at the aw next time, that.
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  Speaker 2: Is going to be the most unpopular person of the year,
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  Speaker 2: Amanda Rose, Joe Hildebrand, thank you so much for your
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  Speaker 2: time as always, and that is it for me. Tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for your company's Deprice will be back with
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  Speaker 2: you next Friday. Now stick around for primetime with my
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  Speaker 2: good friend Danika di Giorgio. Up next