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The Ridiclulous Hsitory of Typos · Ridiculous History

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  Speaker 3: I do want to point out that beforehand, I had
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  Speaker 3: like five mental typos before we start here.
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  Speaker 1: This right now. Tight tight, Hey, you're no me. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Ben Bullen you. A while back, Noel, we had a
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  Speaker 1: lot of fun, uh you. Max and I were recorded
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  Speaker 1: in the studio about a series on famous mistranslations.
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  Speaker 2: That's true, Remember that I remember nothing about it. No,
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  Speaker 2: that's not true. One of them was about Coca Cola
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  Speaker 2: being a ghosts.
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  Speaker 3: You're the ghost of your ancestors back Jimmy Carter wanted
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  Speaker 3: to have sex with Eastern European country. Can't remember which
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  Speaker 3: one specifically.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it may have been Germany, or that
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  Speaker 1: may have been the old the old tale about Kennedy
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  Speaker 1: and the alleged donuts. I just want to make love
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  Speaker 1: to the world. Yeah, we've all been there to do.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking about a sort of I guess, adjacent topic
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  Speaker 2: today to mistranslations. We're talking about typos, which is, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, mistranslations is sort of its own ball of axe,
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  Speaker 2: and that it requires sort of good intentions and then
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  Speaker 2: just kind of missing the boat.
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  Speaker 1: Typos are just.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of about willy nilly, you know, making mistakes. Usually
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  Speaker 2: it just involves a couple of extra letters, like you said, Bet,
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  Speaker 2: But sometimes a typo can become a mistranslation, can't it,
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  Speaker 2: or a very least an unintended word that has hilarious
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  Speaker 2: It's an often controversial meaning and fallout.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it can change the nature of what is being communicated.
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  Speaker 1: We're grateful for Research Associate Jeff factor g helping us
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  Speaker 1: out with this. I was trying to do some typo
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  Speaker 1: jokes as we were recording so much more when you speak,
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  Speaker 1: it's more of a but I tried to. I tried
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  Speaker 1: to misspell ridiculous history, and it was tough to make
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  Speaker 1: my fingers do it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh Okay, I got as you were doing verbal typos
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  Speaker 2: and typographical typos. Okay, good to know you were you were,
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  Speaker 2: You were committing to the bit, Ben, I respect the hustle. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: Today we're talking about major typos that cause some whipsies,
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  Speaker 2: some chaos.
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  Speaker 1: A little boobies, yeah, and typos are Look, there is
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  Speaker 1: no organization, there is no authority that is immune to typos,
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  Speaker 1: because they're very easy to mess up. If you read
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  Speaker 1: a lot, then you'll notice some typos occur more often
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  Speaker 1: than others. A famous example in graphic novels in particular,
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  Speaker 1: is actually Soldier spelled solidaire.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting a little inversion, perhaps right transposition rather or maybe
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  Speaker 2: it's neither of those things. But you know, I guess
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  Speaker 2: in this day and age, when most of our typing
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  Speaker 2: or our text based communication happens on devices, we've got
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  Speaker 2: a lot of auto correct typos that are kind of fun, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and can be really hilarious. I don't know this has
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  Speaker 2: ever happened to you, Ben, but has your phone ever
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  Speaker 2: accidentally gone into voice to text mode when you didn't
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  Speaker 2: know it, and it was just listening in on a
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  Speaker 2: whole conversation, and you look down and there's this absurdist
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  Speaker 2: composed poem there waiting. Sometimes I just send them to
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  Speaker 2: whoever it was composed to. Its fun, you know, for
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  Speaker 2: posterity and for art.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I mentioned that I think on stuff that
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  Speaker 1: I want you to know. But my most infamous and most
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  Speaker 1: embarrassing typo from Auto correct. I was texting with my
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  Speaker 1: mother when she was around, and I told her we
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  Speaker 1: were just shooting the breeze, and I said what I
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  Speaker 1: meant to say was yeah, mom, I'm thinking of growing
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  Speaker 1: a mustache. And what Auto It's infinite wisdom decided I
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  Speaker 1: meant to say was yeah, mom, I think I'm thinking
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  Speaker 1: of growing a moist ache. Oh you've mentioned that before,
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  Speaker 1: been a moist ache. It sounds so, oh my goodness, scandalous.
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  Speaker 1: You said that to your mother, I know, but luckily, luckily,
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  Speaker 1: she was a very forgiving woman. And it wasn't like
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  Speaker 1: I was making typos over at NASA, though NASA itself
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  Speaker 1: is not immune to typos. Maybe we start with a title.
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  Speaker 1: I know, we both love the Wicked Bible. What have
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  Speaker 1: you done? Then I'll tell you what you've done is
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  Speaker 1: a brilliant segue.
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  Speaker 2: Oh sucks the Wicked Bible.
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  Speaker 1: The King James version.
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  Speaker 2: Of the Bible one of the most ubiquitous versions of
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  Speaker 2: said holy text, spearheaded by Yes, you guessed it, King James. Ah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: King Jane, which one from earlier?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all I need to know.
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  Speaker 2: And there is, if you can museum for just about everything,
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  Speaker 2: a Museum of the Bible, and they have a dot
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  Speaker 2: org and they had this to say about a very
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  Speaker 2: infamous typo that took place in printing of the Bible.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, the King.
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  Speaker 2: James was one of the most widely circulated versions, and
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  Speaker 2: that's what led to it being so ubiquitous even today
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  Speaker 2: from collections, not Museum of the Bible dot org. Printing
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  Speaker 2: the Bible with movable type on an early modern press
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  Speaker 2: was a remarkably difficult task. As the King's printer, Robert
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  Speaker 2: Barker held the exclusive right to print all English Bibles,
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  Speaker 2: including the King James Bible, but his early editions were
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  Speaker 2: marred by poor quality. And you guessed the typographical errors. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: in the beginning, God said, let there be I yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and everything was I.
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  Speaker 3: So if I can jump in here really quick, Noel
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  Speaker 3: posed this onto the universe. So I wanted to follow
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  Speaker 3: up with the King James of Bible fame is King
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  Speaker 3: James one of England, King James sixth of Scotland. We've
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  Speaker 3: talked about this in the past, but basically those lines
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  Speaker 3: were merged together after the whole King Henry eighth and
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  Speaker 3: all that and all the fallout.
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  Speaker 1: He exactly good.
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  Speaker 2: Note King James One, his buddy Robert Barker was making
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  Speaker 2: a mess of the English language and Bible form.
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  Speaker 1: The dangers of monopoly then as now, look for the
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  Speaker 1: majority of typos. If you're reading in a language that
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  Speaker 1: you're already fluent in, you'll usually be able to get
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  Speaker 1: the gist right because your brain will kind of pre
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  Speaker 1: arrange the pattern, but it'll transpose it into the right
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  Speaker 1: direction right. Yeah, yeah, including entire words right and sections
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  Speaker 1: of phrases. But this is one of the most hilarious
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  Speaker 1: history rocket typos in all of Europe.
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  Speaker 2: It's a typo biomission. Yes, it still is still a
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  Speaker 2: type oftheless. In sixteen thirty one there was this reprint
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  Speaker 2: of the King James Bible Robert Barker that we just mentioned,
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  Speaker 2: teamed up with a guy named Marca Martin Lewis to
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  Speaker 2: publish this. But they they whipped on one big important thing,
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  Speaker 2: the seventh Commandment. The seventh Commandment in English translation reads
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  Speaker 2: thou shaltst not commit adultery. Clear got already explicit, not
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  Speaker 2: open to interpretation unless you miss the word not. That's right,
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  Speaker 2: and well, not all the commandments are things you're not
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  Speaker 2: supposed to do.
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  Speaker 1: Some of them are things you're supposed to do. So
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  Speaker 1: if you didn't know.
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  Speaker 2: Better, you might think, here, wait a minute, I missed
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  Speaker 2: the memo on this one.
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  Speaker 1: They totally missed the word not. And so this Bible
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  Speaker 1: had the seventh Commandment printed as thou shalts commit adultery
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  Speaker 1: and it appeared in like a thousand copies of this text.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, yeah, which isn't a lot. And you got
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  Speaker 2: to imagine those would be worth a pretty penny. And
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  Speaker 2: that is in fact the case. I found an article
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  Speaker 2: from The Guardian from back in twenty fifteen where one
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  Speaker 2: of these wick rare as heck wicked Bibles went on sale,
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  Speaker 2: one of only ten remaining copies of sixteen thirty one
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  Speaker 2: Sinners or wicked Bible with the as the Guardian puts it,
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  Speaker 2: infamous dipo imploring readers to commit adultery. And it went
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  Speaker 2: on auction for actually the asking price was between ten
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  Speaker 2: and fifteen thousand pounds. Not sure what it's sold for.
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  Speaker 2: I bet we could figure it out.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but speaking of.
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  Speaker 2: Pounds, yeah, this was They were pounded a little bit
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  Speaker 2: for this mistake.
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  Speaker 1: There was a bit of a fee involved, a bit
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  Speaker 1: of a fine. Yeah, hold up to the court of
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  Speaker 1: the current king at the time, keeting Charles the First
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  Speaker 1: and Charles the First is just rightly upset. He said,
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  Speaker 1: you guys are making us look bad. We don't support
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  Speaker 1: adultery on paper. As the king, I just commit adultery.
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  Speaker 1: And this is like totally my thing. You know, you're
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  Speaker 1: messing up. You're jacking up my spot. Man blowing up
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  Speaker 1: the spot. So they lose their printing license, that all
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  Speaker 1: important royal approval. They get up a three hundred pound
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  Speaker 1: fine held over their heads. This Eventually the fine gets
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  Speaker 1: dismissed and three hundred pounds is an egregious amount of
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  Speaker 1: money at this point, and most of the texts are
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  Speaker 1: you know, astute listeners. You heard us say a thousand
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  Speaker 1: copies were printed, only ten known copies remain. It's because
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  Speaker 1: the government of the time actively sought to take these
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  Speaker 1: take these naughty Bibles out of commission.
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  Speaker 2: And pretty seriously yeah yeah, because I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in these days, you couldn't just depend on people to
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  Speaker 2: kind of fill in the blanks. You know, this could
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  Speaker 2: have led to some you know, societal upheaval in the
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  Speaker 2: wrong hands. Exactly what happened to the sanctity of marriage
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  Speaker 2: is out the window because of the wicked Bible.
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  Speaker 1: Could have led to a lot of really weird, uh,
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  Speaker 1: domestic disagreements, you know, like, honey, I'm doing this as
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  Speaker 1: a Christian.
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  Speaker 2: Totally, and I'm sure there are many folks that truly
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  Speaker 2: believe that that's what they're doing. This, unfortunately, did lead
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  Speaker 2: to the sad, unwinding decline of Barker and his you
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  Speaker 2: know life.
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  Speaker 1: Really, I mean, it's.
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  Speaker 2: Hard to walk that one back your whole You had
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  Speaker 2: one job and you did a bad job, and you
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  Speaker 2: got fined. You were the King's right hand printing man,
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  Speaker 2: and now you're out in the cold. And his reputation
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  Speaker 2: was shot. He was in and out of prison and
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  Speaker 2: ultimately died in prison the King's Bench prison in sixteen
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  Speaker 2: forty five, A bummer because.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's not the end though. That's true because there.
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  Speaker 2: There is a conspiracy theory at play on purpose. We still, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we still don't know exactly how the misprint happened. The
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  Speaker 2: conspiracy theory is that there may have been an act
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  Speaker 2: of in dust real sabotage. A rival printer knew just
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  Speaker 2: had You know, this is a very small industry at
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  Speaker 2: this time. It reminds me of that's seen an Anchorman,
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  Speaker 2: where they like mess with Ron Bergundy's teleprompter and make
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  Speaker 2: him tell san Diego to go f itself. I guess
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  Speaker 2: he'll You know, that's an act that was an act
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  Speaker 2: of sabotage, of character assassination, and perhaps, yeah, maybe somebody
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  Speaker 2: had it out for the guy. I mean, they thought
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  Speaker 2: he was a little too cozy with the king and
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  Speaker 2: they wanted to cut him down a peg, and cut
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  Speaker 2: him down a peg they did.
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  Speaker 1: Good story, but maybe not entirely accurate if we go
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  Speaker 1: to medieval studies expert Chris Jones, speaking with the Guardian
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, he says, look, that sabotage thing,
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  Speaker 1: it's a juicy story. But it's probably just a rumor.
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  Speaker 1: Chris knows a lot about printing at this time in
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  Speaker 1: the sixteen hundreds, and he says it's way more likely
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  Speaker 1: that these printers were in a cutthroat, competitive industry and
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  Speaker 1: they were trying to cut costs and they flew too far.
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  Speaker 1: They were they committed a sin of like a budget
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  Speaker 1: line Icarus. They flew too close to the typographical sun. Yes, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they were. They were cutting costs on copy editors, says Chris.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what happened. So other people, devout Christians of
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  Speaker 1: the time would have also burned their copies. That happened
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  Speaker 1: as well.
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  Speaker 2: This this is a cool story, one man, if you
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  Speaker 2: can get one.
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  Speaker 1: You think they're still surprised by how affordable they are. No, really,
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  Speaker 1: there's only ten h I mean. Max points out that
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  Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen a copy sold for around forty four
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars in twenty twenty three money, which is way
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  Speaker 1: cheaper than I thought it would be.
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  Speaker 2: For sure, when you said affordable, that is not a
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  Speaker 2: fable affordable content in terms of like historical artifacts, in
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  Speaker 2: terms of ancient Bibles.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely you can get reprints. However, Yeah, and reprints,
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  Speaker 1: historical curios or always fun for us bibliophiles. There's another
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  Speaker 1: one here that our pal Jeff found, which I had
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  Speaker 1: not actually heard of. And this is neither. This is
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  Speaker 1: massively offensive, but it's also now in retrospect, it's hilarious.
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  Speaker 1: It happened in twenty ten, is very recent. The Pasta
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  Speaker 1: Bible by Lee Blaylock had to be reprinted in Australia
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  Speaker 1: because one recipe was supposed to call for salt and
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  Speaker 1: freshly ground black people lest.
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  Speaker 2: They cause a hulla balloo and another breaking down of
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  Speaker 2: civilization as we know it. We're cooking and eating our
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  Speaker 2: brethren because of this damnable pasta Bible. I love the idea,
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  Speaker 2: and it's funny that this is follow you know, there's
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  Speaker 2: the Bible, Bible, the Wicked Bible, and then we got
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  Speaker 2: the pasta Bible. And in my mind, it's a Bible
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  Speaker 2: that's made of pasta. But that's I like it. I
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  Speaker 2: like that it's that's salt and freshly ground black people.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I was just reading. That's that's even worse.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they meant black pepper, yes, of course, but then
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  Speaker 2: I didn't even catch that they could have left out
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  Speaker 2: black and it just would have been funny.
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  Speaker 1: Now it's now they're gonna cause a race war. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: well it's it's an egregious misstep and it shows us
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  Speaker 1: you can't trust automated uh spell check all the time.
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  Speaker 1: You need someone to read line by line. Here's what
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  Speaker 1: happened that we're gonna we're gonna explore this with again
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  Speaker 1: some help from the Guardian. There's a recipe for tag
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  Speaker 1: lit deli with sardines and Prosciutto's beautiful. Okay, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and uh it scandalized Penguin Australia, the publisher, because this
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  Speaker 1: is the recipe that said you need salt and freshly
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  Speaker 1: ground black, not pepper. Uh so this they didn't know
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  Speaker 1: about this until someone bought the book and read it
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  Speaker 1: and wrote to them and said, hey, you guys, quick
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  Speaker 1: check in quick circle up, let's have a chat. At
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  Speaker 1: this time, they had already printed seven thousand copies of
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  Speaker 1: the Pasta Bible and they said, okay, well, we got
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  Speaker 1: to take the l we got to destroy these because
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  Speaker 1: we cannot be seeing, you know, advocating cannibalism. And the
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  Speaker 1: head of the publishing in Penguin Australia at the time,
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  Speaker 1: a guy named Robert Sessions later spoke to the Sydney
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  Speaker 1: Morning Herald and said this is going to cost about
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  Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollars, which, again surprisingly I thought it would
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  Speaker 1: have cost more. But you can't really put a price
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  Speaker 1: on the public embarrassment, right.
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  Speaker 2: It does appear to still be in print or something
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  Speaker 2: called the Pasta Bible. It looks like kind of like
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  Speaker 2: a coffee table type, you know, big color photograph type
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  Speaker 2: recipe book.
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  Speaker 1: Hmm, interesting coffee table cookbook. I hope it has a
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  Speaker 1: big a big like bang a pal sticker on the
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  Speaker 1: front that says now without cannibalism exactly. Now.
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  Speaker 2: I'm seeing multiple covers of it, which leads me to
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  Speaker 2: believe that it was printed in multiple additions. And I
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  Speaker 2: do see a reprint or an image of the page
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  Speaker 2: in question. Spelt Taglili with sardines and proscutto. You got
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  Speaker 2: your spelt pasta, do your extra virgin olive oil, tablespoon
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  Speaker 2: two and at tablespoons of butter, clothes of garlic, fresh
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  Speaker 2: red chilis, chibata bread torn into small Interesting, Okay, I'd
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  Speaker 2: like some more carbs with my carbs.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's like the British with the toast sandwich,
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  Speaker 1: which is still a phenomenal thing.
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  Speaker 2: Indeed, Yeah, we've got dice preshudo twelve fresh sardine filets,
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  Speaker 2: as the Brits might say. And then we've got salt
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  Speaker 2: and freshly ground black people. Someone has circled it and
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  Speaker 2: it says oops.
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  Speaker 1: And then we've got.
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  Speaker 2: Some parsley roughly chopped and a quarter cup red wine vinegar.
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  Speaker 2: Sounds like a delight except for them, oopsy.
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  Speaker 1: Let me tell you why this is such a big deal, folks.
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  Speaker 1: Outside of religious texts, the number one selling book format
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  Speaker 1: is the cookbook.
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  Speaker 2: Oh of course, so they often are reprinted many, many,
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  Speaker 2: many many times.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so as of this time twenty ten, when
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  Speaker 1: Sessions is speaking with the Sydney Morning Herald, he says, look,
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  Speaker 1: we don't know how to recall copies that are already
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  Speaker 1: out in the wild. To be very difficult. He said, look,
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  Speaker 1: I'm mortified that this has become an issue. He's saying,
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  Speaker 1: it's pretty much it's clearly an accident. We obviously don't
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  Speaker 1: advocate for this, and he said it was probably automated
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  Speaker 1: spell check, not our proofreaders. We think this error is forgivable.
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  Speaker 1: It's a silly mistake. There's no implication. And if you
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  Speaker 1: are uncomfortable with your copy of the pasta Bible, just
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  Speaker 1: give it back to us and we will give you
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  Speaker 1: a new book.
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  Speaker 2: Stop being offended the public, right, yeah, go luck with that.
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  Speaker 2: Don't be a bunch of doords. Oh man, you and
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  Speaker 2: your you and your segues.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if doord is going to work as
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  Speaker 1: an insult.
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  Speaker 2: I think it does. It kind of sounds like adults
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  Speaker 2: or you know, or dork. You know is great. What's
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  Speaker 2: the deal with doord?
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  Speaker 1: What's the deal with door? Yeah?
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: That's good. The very sign of feld in of you. Well,
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: what is the deal with dord? I don't know this one?
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. It is often called arguably the most famous
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: dictionary typo of all time. Travel back with us to
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: nineteen thirty four. The new edition of Webster's New International
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Dictionary has published, and the editors say, okay, we're gonna
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: put it. We're going to institute a different system. We're
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: listing abbreviations and words separately. And you know, these are
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: the kind of improvements you always see with reference works
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: year over year or textbooks. You know, just a little
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: bit of clarification that's right.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: And also, like you know, sometimes new words do get
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: get admitted. You know, that's sort of a thing, right,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: isn't There usually like a way we always talk about
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: it like this, Yeah, the word ghosted got you know,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: admitted to the Webster's Miriam Webster Dictionary. And also what
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: the Oxford English that's maybe the one that we typically
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: talk to.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the oed right right, Oxford English Dictionary.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: They make a bit of a to do about it.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: It's a bit of a newsmaker whenever there's new words.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: But doored unfortunately not a real word, not a new word.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: It had no place or business in the zeitgeist whatsoever.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you look at this edition from nineteen thirty four,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: you'll see one entry for dor soapsis or door coppice,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: which is the type of small kangaroo, and dori golden
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: in color. Between those two there is a word called
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: doored and it is described as a noun meaning density.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: In the fields of physics and chemistry, that.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: I believe that, I would absolutely believe that dude cork
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: the word rsule what are some other action the action
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: from a distance? Even, Yeah, chemistry words are already wild,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: so we would believe this if we were not experts
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: in physics or chemistry, which we are not in nineteen
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: thirties or in twenty twenty five.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: But it was not a word. It had not been
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: accepted into canonical English. It wasn't it wasn't a misprint
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: of a word with a different definition. It just happened.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: And Webster's can later go on to confirm this. But
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: it's also interesting if you look at the definition, there's
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: none of the usual bells and whistles of a dictionary entry.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: There's no etymology, there's no sentence or example of use.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: So we don't really we kind of know how this
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: how this ghost word came to be? Right? Who called
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: it a ghost? Credit?
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Where credits due? That's clever, that's from snoops. Good on
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: you Snopes. So in the first edition of Websters, we
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: started to see abbreviations making the making the cut, things
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: like LB for pounds.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and they were uh, they were combined with words,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: so they were all in the same list. You know
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: about that? Then? How do you feel about that? That
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: seems I think that's I think it was smarter them
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: to divide the two. They didn't eventually do that. Right, yeah, yeah,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: I think the edition was.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: I think it's a convoluting element that perhaps led to
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: our kerfuffle here.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So you would be looking at the entry for
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: the word lazy. Everybody knows that word if you're speaking English,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: and right after it would be LB four pound and
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: LB is already, frankly a very weird abbreviation, you know,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: because there's no L and there's no B in the
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: actual word pound. Oh wait a minute.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: So even in this first edition they were supposed to
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: be kind of in their own little section.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: They didn't think it through.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: They were intermingled, that's right, Ben intermingled in edition one,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: and then they thought better of it, and by edition
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: two it was almost more of like glossary type material, right,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: like a little section about an appendix let's call on.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And in nineteen thirty one, the Boffins
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: had prepared this card that had notation on it, the
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: notation D or D cont forward slash density big D
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: or little D. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that kind of energy.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: This card, from what we could tell, was meant to
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: indicate that the next edition of the dictionary that they
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: printed would have listings for capital D and little D
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: as abbreviations for the word density I get it now,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: and instead D or DC came doored and got a
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: definition that was density related in science, So the word
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: was already out of place. Yeah you know, and yeah,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: yeah I you ever thought about ben the logistics of
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: we were giving them a hard time, But the logistics
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: of manually printing absolutely dense reference type material like this
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: It makes your head spin.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Absolutely the level of organization to not have it all
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: be totally jacked up, it really boggles the mind. So
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: good on you printers of the past.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: It also reminds me of that crazy, ridiculous, somewhat inspiring
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: but somewhat disturbing story of the creation of the Oxford
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: English Dictionary. You probably heard the ODA novel, Yeah, the
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: novel about the Professor and the mad Man. When he
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: became a film. I'm where we must have talked about this, Okay.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: There's a book called The Professor and the mad Man.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: It's nonfiction. It's by a guy named Simon Winchester, and
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: it explores this bizarre and real relationship between the chief
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: editor of the OED, a guy named James Murray, and
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: one of the most prolific contributors to the first edition
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: a guy named William Chester Minor. So what what James
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Murray did you know? To your point about this being
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: a herculean effort, James Murray asked interested members of the
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: public to help contribute definition. He crowdsourced it. He crowdsourced
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, and it worked really well. The one
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: of the most frequent contributors. This guy was just always
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: mailing new entries. It turned out that he was mailing
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: all of these so frequently. He had because he had
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: a lot of time on his hands. He was a
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: patient and a mental asylum. Oh fun, Yeah, I'll give
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: you something to do. It'll give you something to do
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: with your hands. I guess right. What was that guy
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: that the guy that drew lots of weird cats? Lewis Wayne.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: That's a fun one too, y'all check that one out.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Sad at the end of the day, but really cool
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: psychedelic drawings of cats and the somewhat misnomer of it,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: like documenting his dissent into madness or whatever, right, like
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: it was a little bit overstating the case.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: We've got a series on it and the art is
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: just super cool. I would love that as a coffee
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: table book. Right. Oh that's a good call. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I'd love it as an inexplicable cookbook. I want to
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: make a fake cookbook psychedelic. Yeah, it just says add
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: like a little bit of periwinkle. No, wait, that's really
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: add a shade of blue. Isn't a periwinkle? Also like
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: a tiny mollusk? Yeah? Yeah, so that's too real. You
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: could eat a periwinkle ridiculous, Yeah I have. Yeah, yeah,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: they're not bad, not bad. What about a barnicle? You
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: ever eating a barnacle? I have not.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: People are screaming at their podcast device right now, I'll
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: get on with it. All right. Let's move on to
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Philip Babcock Grove, editor in chief of That's Right, the
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: third edition of Webster's New International Dictionary, who wrote an
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: article about this whole fiasco in nineteen fifty four. He said,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: as soon as someone also entered the pronunciation, doord was
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: given the slap on the back that sent breath into
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: its being.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Well, you gotta read this one, Ben, this next part
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: about the etymologists. Yeah, yeah, it continues. Whether the etymologist
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: ever got a chance to stifle it, there's no evidence
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: it simply had no etymology. Therefore, only a proofreader had
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: the final opportunity at the word. But as the proof
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: passed under his scrutiny, he was at the moment not
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: so alert and not.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: As suspicious as Khel. Yeah, the proofreader the last line
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: of defense. So similar to similar to that weird report
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: about the catibalistic cookbook, this edition of the New International
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Dictionary went out with doord, an entirely made up word,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: and nobody noticed. For five years a bunch of people
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: were reading it, and just like us, they went, oh,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: door door door is also it's it would be spelled differently,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: but it's when you run into a door.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you got door, just got door? Uh huh yeah
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: yeah yeah.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: I had a high school. Uh this, I don't know
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: if I've talked about this guy before. His name was
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: mister Dowd's and it's not the same as door, but
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: he felt like he could have been in mister dor
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: He was the computer teacher. But he was this really tight,
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: little built bodybuilder of a man and uh he uh
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: but like Megan, he looked like the guy that played
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Darth Vader.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: And if you'll remember him in a clockwork Orange.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: He's the big dude that carries around the writer and
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: this is what mister Dowd's look like. He even wore
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: these big, thick grim glasses. But he and his bodybuilding
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: buddies for fun in college. He said they would like
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: pick up people's Mini coopers and like move them to
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: a different parking.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: That's awesome. I've heard of that, brink. Yeah. Also, dord
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Uh could possibly be a sub community of Nords in Skyrim.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Arrow and the Knee and as its own etymological hilarity.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Didn't we talk about how it meant to like propose
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: or something like that.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: You guys married, Yeah, but jumping to the Doors would
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: live in Uh, would live in There'd be Nords living
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: on the Morrow.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Wind Nor the Doors would live on the fjords of
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Nords in dagger Fell, to be called Dords.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Nors.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Come on, guys, that's good. No, No, that makes sense. What
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: makes sense too.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: But Daggerfall is not a providence. But it's just people
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: who live in the city.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Of Daggerfall, right, is that in DLC. I don't know that.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: Daggerfall is the largest city in High Rock, which is
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: also the name of the second game, Daggerfall, which takes
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: place in the providences of high Rock and uh hammer Fall,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: which is where which is where the Dunmer I forget
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: it wasn't cog correct, but he threw pretty much the
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: dark n his hammer, and that's where atlanted hammer Fall
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: as actually the hammer you can get from Malacath in Skyrim.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: By the way, the rumor is that Elder Scroll six
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: is believed to be in high Rock, but then other
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: people believe it's going to be in Hammerfall's confused with
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: dagger Fall, because this is always the most confusing way
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: to phrase these things, but no one actually knows. Moving on,
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: I intentionally do that as in a filibuster every single time
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: because I watched Noel's pain.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Whenever I do that, yeah, it's yeah, it's real. Potentially
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Elder Scrolls will come out with its next iteration. Will
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: podcast still be a thing? Will World War three happen? First?
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: We don't know, but we do know five years after
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: this dictionary and thence the word doored. An editor is
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: a guy who works literally with Webster's dictionary is reading
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: this and he goes, hang on a tick doored. And
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: this person is brave enough to be the individual that
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: raises their hands and says yeah. Hey, maybe I'm the
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: dumb one here, but I've never heard of door? Why
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: does it have no etymology? Why does it have no
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: sample case? And guys, I think there may be a
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: mistake or mystery here. So they banish doored from previous
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: editions and almost no one noticed.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's pronounced diord right rights, pronounced however you
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: want to, because it's not a real word. But as
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: you like to say, ben, English is a living language
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: and we're still learning it ourselves. So who's to say,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: maybe doord will actually come around and finally get its due. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Because people would compile this dictionary back in the day,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: a bunch of dictionaries were ripping each other off. So
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: it's kind of like how one Greco Roman historian would
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: make one error and everybody else would just quote that
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: error as gospel. So the word doored, despite being outed
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: as a ghost word of phantom phrase, it keeps showing
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: up in future dictionaries. And I love it. I love
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: faith like a real ghost. Yeah, and get rid of
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: weird books.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Let's make a let's make a nonsensical, ridiculous history cookbook. One.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: People will buy it because it's a cookbook. Sure, and
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: we're definitely gonna do it.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Two we could throw in all yeah, we're definitely gonna
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: get to it. Yeah, we're gonna throw in all sorts
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: of surreal like real Kodek Seraphinanius kind of stuff. I
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: would love that, Yeah, absolutely, But until then, there's actually more.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: We have a bit more.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: But I think we're gonna deserve it for one of
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: our future Like it's gonna be its own kind of
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: psychedelic stew since where we just you know, throw in
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: a little bit of this, a little bit of that,
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: but no fresh ground people.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: No, No, that's a guarantee for throwing green. However, is people.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: We are going to get to more prestigious crazy typos
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: like the Lincoln Memorial and of course we tease NASA.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: We're just gonna tell you this. It's sometimes considered a
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: million dollar typo. You'll have to tune into a future episode.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, see what we're.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Talking The Cannibal one was only a twenty thousand dollars typo.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: What could a million dollars? Maybe we got to talk
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it's pretty short, all right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: I'll play these radio games. Okay, let's play the ring here.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: I just it's too good not to give a little
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: quick rundown on and I think the people deserve it.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: On July twenty second, nineteen sixty two, Mariner one, the spacecraft,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: you know, the one, the Mariner one, was being prepared
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: for a mission to Venus and was set to launch
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: from Cape Canaver, which you may have heard of there
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: in Florida. Just a few minutes after liftoff, however, they
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: shuttle did have to be destroyed due to a course correction.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, The official account still dispute what caused this
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: probe to veer dangerously off course just seconds after launch.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: And a lot of people will tell you there was
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: a missing hyphen in the guidance code. Other people will
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: tell you there was a missing decimal and that's what
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: that's what created this domino effect of miss steering.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Now, this is an unmanned spacecraft. Let's just be clear, think, no,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: no lives were lost due to this type of graphical error.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: But that's right.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: You know, when you're dealing with like code and coordinates
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: and things like that, every little character matters.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this poor guy the Mariner won because I do
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: anthropomorphized robots fame. It lost control, it lost contact, and
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: NASA made the call just two hundred and ninety three
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: seconds after launch to blow the thing up. We know
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: that it was a simple coding mistake. Like you said, Noel,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: it's not This computer code is not the same as
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: writing poetry or fiction. It's not supposed to be open
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: to soft interpretation. You're not supposed to get the gist.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: You gotta get it right overall, when we say a
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: million dollar typo, we're talking more than a single million
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: all in right, NASA lost around eighteen to five milk.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they they say that despite the rumors about
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: missing hyphens or decimals, the real culprit here was the
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: omission of something called an overbar for the symbol R
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: for radius. So just a regular capital R instead of
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: an R with a line over it. So an error
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: a typo of not even a full letter, just a
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: little like a big little D situation. Yeah, just over again. Yeah,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: the big R was missing. It's a little it's happened.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And Arthur C. Clark had some snark to dish out.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: You may know him from two thousand and one a
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Space Odyssey fame. He called it with his rape here
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: with the most expensive hyphen in history, which is you know,
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: it was an under par Arthur C.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Clark. He is the hat the hyphen that you're oversimplifying
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: it a little bit.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Well, well, well yeah, you know he's got away with words.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: There's a poetry to the man. No idea what that
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: book is about, though, which book? Two thousand and one
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Space Odyssey? You know what that's about.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: It's about the existence in the universe. What is the
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: star Child? There's a sequel to the movie.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: It's supposed to be terrible. Boy Scher is in it.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: It's not great. It's an airplane watch. But I love
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: that you're pointing out this is a multi million dollar
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: mistake because even when it occurred, they were already set
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: back eighteen point five million. That is over one hundred
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: and eighty million dollars today. That's exactly right, and that
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: is where we will leave you, fine, ridiculous historians. Huge
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: thanks to our super producer, Max.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: The Giant skyrim nerd Williams, who I love dearly with
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: all of my heart.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know. I I just know Skyrim.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: I have a map of the thing in my guest
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: room that was gifted to me by the lovely Matthew Frederick,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: who we will also think and who will be joining
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: us on this very program. That's Matthew two hands Frederick
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: from stuff they don't want you to know.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: What are we talking about? Coconut Yeah, lovely bunch of
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: coconuts taking it to the extreme. This also we wanted
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: him with some good news. Mariner Too did launch just
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: thirty six days later. It flew by Venus. It was
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: the first successful scientific planetary mission. So NASA was able
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: to to power through this misstep, and we can't wait
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: for you to power through some ridiculous history with us
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: in the future. We've already teased some guests. Please check
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