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10-29-26 Hour 3 - Jeff Legwold/The Rockies Altitude Excuse/Nuggets had defensive energy · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 2: I know what my eyes tell me.
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  Speaker 3: Jeff Legwald.
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  Speaker 2: I look at it a lot and I ask a
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  Speaker 4: It's Leggy.
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  Speaker 5: Jeff, Jeff, Jeff.
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  Speaker 5: You know, he continues to have those touches and then
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  Speaker 5: where you want to even get him more touches. That's
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  Speaker 5: sometimes a challenge, but certainly he's deserving. You say that
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  Speaker 5: a lot, Sean. What?
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  Speaker 6: To get Marvin more touches.
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  Speaker 5: I know.
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  Speaker 2: What's the barrier?
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  Speaker 5: Well, sometimes it's coverage, right? And then, you know, it's
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  Speaker 5: trying to find those personnel groupings where, you know, we've
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  Speaker 5: got a number of guys that are starting to, that
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  Speaker 5: are healthy and playing well. So hopefully we can find
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  Speaker 5: those opportunities.
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  Speaker 6: That's Sean Payton. And that was Jeff Legwald, who joins
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  Speaker 6: are we doing this morning?
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  Speaker 7: Great.
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  Speaker 2: How are you guys?
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  Speaker 4: Good.
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  Speaker 6: Let's just start here. I know you have to take
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  Speaker 6: the opponent into account for stuff like this, but did
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  Speaker 6: the offense turn maybe a little bit of a corner
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  Speaker 6: last week, or was that just a bad opponent that
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  Speaker 6: you took advantage of?
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  Speaker 2: Probably a little of both. You know, I, I think,
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  Speaker 2: you know, anytime, you know, that, that whole deal that
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  Speaker 2: confidence is driven by, you actually make something happen to,
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  Speaker 2: to give you confidence. So I think that the fact
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  Speaker 2: they were able to finally, uh, uncork some big plays,
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  Speaker 2: that's always going to help, no matter who you're playing.
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  Speaker 2: And the fact that you do it and it ends
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  Speaker 2: up being a two-touchdown win, I think that does help.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they still wake up today and Bo Nix
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  Speaker 2: is near the bottom of almost every advanced metric you
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  Speaker 2: can have for a quarterback, and the offense is still
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  Speaker 2: you know, down among the teams that are struggling. So
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  Speaker 2: in the big picture, probably not fixed, but in the
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  Speaker 2: short term, it certainly gives them a boost and they
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  Speaker 2: at least get a glimpse of what they can do
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  Speaker 2: if they can just put together, you know, especially on
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  Speaker 2: third down, do a little better on third down, do
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  Speaker 2: a little better on first down. Maybe it makes some
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  Speaker 2: things happen.
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  Speaker 3: Jeffrey, is Jonah Coleman running back one?
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  Speaker 2: Well, he probably won't start games, but I think they
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  Speaker 2: answered that question, Vic, when they're trying to close it
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  Speaker 2: out Sunday in Arizona, who was the guy on the field?
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  Speaker 2: And it was Jonah Coleman. So I think it's intriguing.
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  Speaker 2: He's only got 19 carries, but his percentage of runs
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  Speaker 2: of 10 or more yards is already one of the
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  Speaker 2: highest in the league.
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  Speaker 3: So.
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  Speaker 2: that gets your attention and I don't care what team
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  Speaker 2: you are or what coach you are. That that's the
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  Speaker 2: kind of stuff where you got to raise your eyebrows
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  Speaker 2: and say, all right, that, that guy probably needs to
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  Speaker 2: see the ball more, but you know, he, the head
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  Speaker 2: coach loves JK Dobbins. Dobbins still does plenty of good
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  Speaker 2: work in the offense. I think he will be like
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  Speaker 2: the guy starting games and the, and the first guy
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  Speaker 2: in the rotation, but Jonah Coleman's getting the ball more,
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  Speaker 2: and that's just how it's going to be.
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  Speaker 4: Jeff, it's weird.
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  Speaker 8: You're a journalist, so you've got to do journalistic things.
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  Speaker 8: We just talk about stuff.
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  Speaker 4: And I'll say this.
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  Speaker 8: The shine has come off the Chiefs. I just don't
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  Speaker 8: fear them anymore. I don't care what happened in week one.
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  Speaker 8: Broncos didn't tackle, but they were at the point of attack.
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  Speaker 8: I just don't– for some reason, I just– probably a
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  Speaker 8: lot of good reasons. I just don't fear this team.
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  Speaker 8: I feel really good about Sunday.
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  Speaker 4: That's how I feel.
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  Speaker 3: Almost.
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  Speaker 2: It's a weird year for them already. I mean, you got,
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  Speaker 2: you got a story about an offensive tackle being asked
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  Speaker 2: to leave a meeting because he won't take his feet
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  Speaker 2: off the desk. You know, they, they work out a
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  Speaker 2: kicker who was suspended for 10 games for off the
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  Speaker 2: field conduct. You know, my homes looks frustrated at times
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  Speaker 2: because they, they don't, You know, Kenneth Walker has been
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  Speaker 2: a revelation. Where would they be without him? You know,
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  Speaker 2: had they not signed him, this could really be something,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a little uglier. But I think this is
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  Speaker 2: a textbook case of you're a really good team and
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  Speaker 2: you had a really good run, multiple championships, but you
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  Speaker 2: did not handle the draft well to keep yourself up
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  Speaker 2: on the perch. for as long as possible. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think they have drafted that well. And I think it's
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  Speaker 2: starting to catch up with them, but you know, we
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  Speaker 2: say all that all of us and they're, they're five
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  Speaker 2: and one. So, uh, you know, as long as that
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  Speaker 2: guy's at quarterback, it's the great equalizer in NFL history.
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  Speaker 2: If you've got one of the guys at quarterback, he can,
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  Speaker 2: he can lift, uh, he can clean up a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the mess and, and, I think Mahomes just has
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  Speaker 2: to more and more. And Walker's going to have to
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  Speaker 2: stay healthy for them to maintain all this.
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  Speaker 6: Jeff Legwald with us. All conversations with Leggy are brought
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  Speaker 6: Local 68. Start with a job and with a career. Leggy,
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  Speaker 6: how much of this game changes, at least based on feel,
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  Speaker 6: if Zach Allen can't go?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, everything changes. He's having not just a Pro Bowl year,
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  Speaker 2: he's having an All-Pro year and A lot of what
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  Speaker 2: they do up front is based on he's a high-volume
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  Speaker 2: snap guy who plays really, really well on most of
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  Speaker 2: those snaps. So I'll be interested to see today and tomorrow,
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  Speaker 2: you know, what it looks like.
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  Speaker 4: But is it that bad? I mean, it's a hammy, right?
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  Speaker 4: Is it that bad?
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  Speaker 3: Hammies are hammy, dude. You know hammies. Hammies take time.
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  Speaker 3: I don't care who you are.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and, you know, it's– he– He, you know, obviously
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  Speaker 2: something that came up because he finished things out Sunday
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  Speaker 2: and had his usual snap count. But he did get
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  Speaker 2: rolled up weird on one.
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  Speaker 3: Of the plays.
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  Speaker 2: And that probably, you know, got worse on the flight
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  Speaker 2: home and then on Monday. So, like I say, if
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  Speaker 2: he's moving around, you know, at all as they go
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  Speaker 2: through stuff today and tomorrow. But, you know, he wasn't
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  Speaker 2: really even off. among the side group, which is usually
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  Speaker 2: the guys who are getting ready to come back to practice.
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  Speaker 3: I want to go back to your Q & A
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  Speaker 3: with Sean Payton about the usage of Marvin Mims. Nellie,
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  Speaker 3: if you can play that again, because I have a
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  Speaker 3: particular question I want to target after hearing this.
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  Speaker 6: Hold, please.
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  Speaker 5: Nellie continues to have those touches and then where you
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  Speaker 5: want to even get him more touches. That's sometimes a challenge,
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  Speaker 5: but certainly he's deserving. You say that a lot, Sean.
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  Speaker 8: What?
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  Speaker 6: To get Marvin more touches. I know.
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  Speaker 2: What's the barrier?
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  Speaker 5: Well, sometimes it's coverage, right? And then, you know, it's
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  Speaker 5: trying to find those personnel groupings where, you know, we've
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  Speaker 5: got a number of guys that are starting to, that
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  Speaker 5: are healthy and playing well. So hopefully we can find
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  Speaker 5: those opportunities.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: You asked what's the barrier. Did he want to say
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  Speaker 3: quarterback's got to throw him the ball? Is that what
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  Speaker 3: he wanted to say, but he just couldn't say it?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think so because this is– I'm not talking
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  Speaker 2: out of school here. This is something I've asked Sean
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  Speaker 2: to face-to-face. I find it fascinating when he says– You know, gotta,
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  Speaker 2: gotta try to get this guy more touches or that,
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  Speaker 2: like there's some mystical beating who makes the decision. And
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  Speaker 2: it's really him, you know, and it's, I'm fascinated when he,
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  Speaker 2: when there's this continued, this is a three year struggle
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  Speaker 2: now to somehow get Marvin Mims the ball more. And
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  Speaker 2: I am really, and That's why I sort of asked
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  Speaker 2: him what's the barrier because the implication is you call
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  Speaker 2: all the plays. You design the game plans. You are
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  Speaker 2: in charge. So I'm just not sure who he has
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  Speaker 2: to ask. to get Marvin the ball more. So I
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  Speaker 2: guess that's where I was going with that.
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  Speaker 4: I know what it is.
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  Speaker 8: It's basically this look. When everybody's healthy, we like these
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  Speaker 8: other guys better for what we do.
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  Speaker 3: Period.
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  Speaker 4: End of story.
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  Speaker 8: And if we need to go to him because Pat
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  Speaker 8: Bryant's been out, now Waddle's going to be out, then yeah,
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  Speaker 8: maybe he'll get the ball a little bit more, but
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  Speaker 8: there's no no denying that when he gets the ball
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  Speaker 8: in his hands, things happen.
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  Speaker 2: No, in terms of impactful things that happen when a
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  Speaker 2: guy has the ball, he's got to be among the
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  Speaker 2: team leaders. You know, I will say, I think sometimes,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Sean has a very, he came up in personnel,
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  Speaker 2: with a lot of people around him that I've dealt
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  Speaker 2: with over the years. And that group of people, Parcells
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of those folks, have very definitive profile
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  Speaker 2: numbers for what they think each position should look like.
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  Speaker 2: And that profile for those guys are receivers who are
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  Speaker 2: a lot bigger than Marvin Mims, and that's the bottom line.
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  Speaker 2: So Sean is sort of fighting his training there and
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of times when they start to
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  Speaker 2: up the ante about getting him the ball he'll sometimes
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  Speaker 2: he gets dinged injury wise you know he has an
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  Speaker 2: ankle or something happens and then they dial it all
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  Speaker 2: the way back and then it's kind of like this
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  Speaker 2: process to get him the ball again and I think
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  Speaker 2: that's where they're at right now is he's coming back
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  Speaker 2: from having a little some injury early in the year,
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  Speaker 2: and now they're trying to ramp it up again, and
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  Speaker 2: we'll see how successful they are.
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  Speaker 6: Jeff Legwald, ESPN.com with us. Jeff, when the Broncos were
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  Speaker 6: absent Pat Sertan and Riley Moss for a second, but
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  Speaker 6: Pat Sertan, Jaday Barron steps in, and he plays well. Now,
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  Speaker 6: if it looks like Pat Sertan is healthy again, does
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  Speaker 6: Jaday Barron just not see snaps? Do you think they
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  Speaker 6: try and mix him in? What do they do?
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  Speaker 2: They probably do a little more of a mix and match.
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  Speaker 2: You know, they look, they, you know, Riley Moss is standing,
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  Speaker 2: hasn't dropped anywhere, you know, around this team. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: he had, he had the rib injury and they started
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  Speaker 2: to mix and match a little more. I think they
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  Speaker 2: might stick to that pattern a little more than they
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  Speaker 2: did early in the year when everybody was healthy, but
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  Speaker 2: you know, Sertan's going to play Sertan snaps and, and
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  Speaker 2: they'll figure out the rest, but I don't think it
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  Speaker 2: should be underestimated of, In this day and age, in
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  Speaker 2: the current NFL, corner is one of the most important positions,
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  Speaker 2: and they're the deepest team in the NFL at corner,
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  Speaker 2: and I think it's helped them. You have to say
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  Speaker 2: that's a good plan because a lot of teams are
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  Speaker 2: scrambling when the Broncos don't have to. I mean, they're
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  Speaker 2: 7-0 now since– 24 in games Sertan doesn't play.
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  Speaker 4: That's just crazy. That's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think any other team could survive that kind
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  Speaker 2: of removal of talent from their secondary. You know, what
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  Speaker 2: do the Patriots look like when Gonzalez is out? What
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  Speaker 2: do the Rams look like when McDuffie's, you know, if
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  Speaker 2: McDuffie was out? This is why you want to be
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  Speaker 2: deep at corner in the current modern NFL.
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  Speaker 8: What's the story with the– do you know anything about
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  Speaker 8: Kansas City's injuries and what they've been dealing with, you know,
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  Speaker 8: Snead or the tackle Moore or anybody of that nature?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they seem to be thinking most everybody's working toward
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  Speaker 2: being available among that group for the game. But, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think– like I think they think Rasheed Rice
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  Speaker 2: will be back for the game and have that other
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  Speaker 2: group available too.
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  Speaker 3: How much does it hurt your heart as a lifelong
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  Speaker 3: Cubs fan to know that a team that half the
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  Speaker 3: payroll in the division just won the World Series?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's this crazy notion that you draft well and
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  Speaker 2: develop players. I don't know where they get off. Having
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  Speaker 2: the deepest minor league team in the league right now.
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  Speaker 2: They might have the best player in minor league baseball
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  Speaker 2: waiting for for a team that won the World Series. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, go out, sign a lot of pitchers who
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  Speaker 2: throw high velocity. You know, the Cubs seem to have
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  Speaker 2: decided they don't want to work that trend. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think the plan's working out fine. But, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Wrigleyville sure has a lot of nice office buildings now.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm glad they're building something. It just isn't a
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  Speaker 2: baseball team.
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  Speaker 6: And that is Jeff Legwald. ESPN.com joins us every week.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, Leggy.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks, fellas. We'll see you.
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  Speaker 6: Definitely will. Join us every single Thursday. If you want
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  Speaker 6: to be at mile high for Denver versus KC this Sunday,
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  Speaker 6: Nate and Andy, tomorrow, have a Bud Light football Friday
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  Speaker 6: of the Denver Broncos. See you at Rome's Saloon tomorrow.
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  Speaker 8: He talks about Wrigleyville. I used to go there all
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  Speaker 8: the time, man. I wonder, I haven't been there in forever.
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  Speaker 8: Gotta wonder how much has changed. There used to be
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  Speaker 8: a great reggae bar down the street from the Cubby Bear.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, man, it was awesome. I had a great time.
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  Speaker 4: All right, Grandpa, let's get you to bed.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you. Yep.
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  Speaker 4: I just wonder. Things that make you go, hmm.
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  Speaker 6: Didn't go, I went, hmm, on why you decided to
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  Speaker 6: share that, but I did that.
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  Speaker 4: Because he brought up Wrigleyville and it sparked things in
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  Speaker 4: my head.
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  Speaker 6: You know, when people say things, there are things that
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  Speaker 6: pop into my head when they say things that I
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  Speaker 6: think are not noteworthy to say out loud. You don't
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  Speaker 6: have that limiter.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I like to learn.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody learned anything.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You just shared your personal life.
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  Speaker 4: Somebody tell me if that Wrigley bar is still there.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think anyone learned a damn thing.
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  Speaker 6: Recapping the Nuggets and the Avs wins from last night.
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  Speaker 4: I want to thank you, Matty B. Told me that
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  Speaker 4: the wild hair is still there. It moved, but it's
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  Speaker 4: still there. Thank you. I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 3: Can we... Revisit a topic that we hit in the
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  Speaker 3: first hour of the show. What was that? I would
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  Speaker 3: like to revisit the topic that we hit about the
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  Speaker 3: Brewers winning the World Series. How they've done it, how
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  Speaker 3: they've been a playoff team in the last decade, how
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  Speaker 3: they've averaged 94 wins. how they have a roster full
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  Speaker 3: of 22 and 24 years old, and they keep reinventing themselves.
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  Speaker 3: And you had mentioned, you know, how other teams should
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  Speaker 3: take note, and we all agree. And then I said,
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  Speaker 3: the biggest obstacle facing the Rockies, it's easy to take
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  Speaker 3: note and say, do it. But the biggest obstacle facing
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  Speaker 3: this Rockies franchise has always been and will always be
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  Speaker 3: altitude and how you overcome that. And a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people out there, when I said that, they... they assumed
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  Speaker 3: I meant, well, throw your hands up in the air,
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  Speaker 3: you can't do anything about it. It's not what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: It's not what I mean. It's just an obstacle that
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  Speaker 3: I think you have to factor in when comparing yourself
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  Speaker 3: to other small market, medium market franchises. They don't face
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  Speaker 3: the same obstacle. They just don't. So to assume then
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  Speaker 3: that it's just as easy for the Rockies to do
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  Speaker 3: what the Brewers have done, to do what the D-Rays
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  Speaker 3: have done, it's not. It's not, because... there's something here
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  Speaker 3: that those teams don't have to face and that's the altitude.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm not just saying, Hey, forget it. No, that's
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  Speaker 3: not what I'm saying at all. I'm just saying factor it. I,
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  Speaker 3: cause it's real.
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: I think people acknowledge that it's real. And I know
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: what you're saying now. Sometimes when you talk about this,
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: there is a tone of, um, fatalism of like, no,
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: there's it's, it's a pointless endeavor. They'll never be able
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: to do it.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Not that at all. I don't mean that at all.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: It just takes, uh, You have to take another level
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: of know-how, I guess, to overcome it. This texter, 4647,
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: I know I'm late to this conversation, Vic, but if
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: altitude matters on baseball, why is it that all these
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: other teams that do not live here come in here
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: and win? Answer that question, Moshe.
• 19:02
  Speaker 8: It's because they're just one-offs, because they don't have to
• 19:04
  Speaker 8: pitch here and play here repeatedly, repeatedly, repeatedly, 81 games
• 19:09
  Speaker 8: per year.
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: They come in and they play, and then they leave.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: It's not their norm. Thanks, Mark.
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: There is no question that, look, man, you have, as
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: Moser said, a one-off or a three-game series or something
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: like that. It's different than this is where you practice.
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: So you get used to a certain thing and then
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: you go somewhere else and things are different. It's very difficult,
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: especially in the sport of baseball, where let's just say
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: that an extra, I don't know, inch of break is
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: on a slider in one place as opposed to the other.
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: That's the difference between a ball being a ground out
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: and a home run.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Is an inch.
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: You know what I mean? That's the difference between hitting
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: the barrel and catching one off the end of the bat.
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: All of that different stuff is a factor. Now, what
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: I'm talking about in this is the Rockies are the
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: kind of team they need to live in the margins
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: because that's where they are as a franchise in this sport. Now,
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: we'll see what this offseason brings. Part of the bummer
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: in all of this is I've been telling you guys
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: all year, I think the concerted effort the last year
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: from this new regime with DePodesta at the helm was
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: we are going to revamp our lineup into a younger
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: and higher ceiling type of lineup. And I think they've
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: done that. They pushed the pitching off to the side
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: this year and said, we'll sign Shugano and we'll sign
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: Quintana and we'll sign Lorenzen as bridge players just to
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: get us to the following season where we will address pitching.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: Here's the problem.
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: When are they going to be able to negotiate if
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: there's lockout? When is that going to happen?
• 20:43
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: And that poses a gigantic wrench in a development process
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: that you're trying to do. But the bottom line is,
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: I think they could really help themselves by expanding the
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: scouting and analytical departments because it's not there yet.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: I bet. I just want to focus on the pitching
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: thing because labor stoppage, notwithstanding, it doesn't fix that. And,
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: It's no coincidence, gang, it's no coincidence the best season
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: ever produced by a Rockies team was the 2007 World
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: Series season. And what happened that year, Moshe? What happened
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: the year before? What were they doing to help their pitchers? Moshe,
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: mystery lesson? Humidor?
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: They got the humidor installed.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And how did the MLB, what happened in the
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: MLB after the humidor was installed and operating? What did
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: all the other teams complain about? What? Specifically the San
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Francisco Giants. They would come in and say, oh, they're
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: altering the baseballs.
• 21:39
  Speaker 8: They're altering the baseballs in that they, when we were
• 21:42
  Speaker 8: at bat, they're using humidor balls.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: And when, you know, it's all, I mean, who knows?
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: So I'm just saying that there's got to be an
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: element when discussing how to fix this thing. There's got
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: to be an element. And if you're not admitting this,
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: you're just lying to yourself.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: Just get flamethrowers, man. Just get flamethrowers.
• 22:02
  Speaker 8: This whole Miz thing, and I know that he's an outlier,
• 22:04
  Speaker 8: but just get flamethrowers and then get big bats and
• 22:08
  Speaker 8: let's just go for it, man.
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: Well, I'll tell you what they think, Vic. They just
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: lost 100 games for the fourth consecutive season. They made
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: Warren Schaefer the permanent manager this season, right? He did
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: not get let go. Their pitching coach did. They let
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: him go, so they must have thought there was something
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: not right in the way that he was teaching things
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: or something like that. Now, again, you're very early into this,
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: and when a team is going through a total rebuild,
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: it's hard to make evaluations after a single season when
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: you are literally trying to build this thing from the
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: ground up again. I mean, we saw it. When Kyle
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: Freeland is leaving the mound, his last start, in tears.
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: Kevin Freeland?
• 22:51
  Speaker 8: Why?
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: Because he knows he's not bad.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: Because he knows he's gone. Right, he's gone.
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: Like, he knows that they're in an overhaul for that
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: entire pitching staff. Bullpen, starting rotation, all of it.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: How do you make the altitude? Somebody just says, shouldn't
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: it be a home field advantage? Yeah, it's an advantage.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: But does it travel? See, when you pitch here and
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: then pitch on the road at sea level, those are
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: two entirely different climates you're pitching in. And it affects
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: your staff. It just does. So someone says, well, why
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: not just put a dome there and climatize the home field?
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: that's a tough one. Do you want a dome here
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: at home? No, I mean, what's the draw? What's the draw?
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: Because you're out in the sun and you're in a beautiful.
• 23:31
  Speaker 8: Beautiful Colorado summer night, man. And before they built all
• 23:36
  Speaker 8: the frigging condos downtown, you could watch the sunset over
• 23:40
  Speaker 8: left field.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: It was awesome.
• 23:44
  Speaker 8: And then they built all these buildings and they took
• 23:45
  Speaker 8: away the view and that kind of makes me sad
• 23:47
  Speaker 8: and so on and so forth.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: But, no, man, Coors Field, I'm going to say this.
• 23:52
  Speaker 8: One thing that the Rockies have done right, they built
• 23:55
  Speaker 8: a fantastic ballpark that stands the test of time and
• 23:59
  Speaker 8: always will.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: It's awesome.
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: But, you know, let's just be honest about something here.
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: There haven't been really great pitchers in this town. There
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: just hasn't been. It's... It's not like guys leave Colorado.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: No Hall of Famers. No, you're not going to find
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: a Hall of Famer.
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: But what I'm saying is it's not like pitchers here
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: leave Colorado and then just crush it somewhere else. It
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: doesn't happen all that often. You can think of maybe
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: a couple examples. Hitters do. I mean, DJ LeMay, he
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: was great in New York, and he was great here.
• 24:33
  Speaker 8: Well, I brought this up earlier. I didn't get a
• 24:35
  Speaker 8: chance to get it out. As far as the hitting
• 24:37
  Speaker 8: is concerned, I remember Jeff Cirillo when he was a Rockie.
• 24:42
  Speaker 8: I had a nasty disposition when asked about his batting
• 24:46
  Speaker 8: average at home versus his batting average on the road,
• 24:48
  Speaker 8: and he got really defensive about it.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: Really defensive.
• 24:54
  Speaker 8: But most guys, the Larry Walkers and Dantes and Big Cats,
• 24:58
  Speaker 8: and I go on and.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: On and on.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, they just rake all over the place.
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: That's the thing, dude. If you can hit, you can hit.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 25:05
  Speaker 8: Except Cirillo when he got really, really defensive about it.
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: I'll just give you an example. Brumfield, just because I
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: think he's the best probably pure hitter on this team.
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: He hit. 304 at home. He hit.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: 295 on the route.
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: Same guy. Same dude.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: Levi writes in, the Rockies were 32-49 at home this year.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Now what? What are you proving? I'm not sure. What
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: does that mean?
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: Newsflash, bro.
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: They weren't very good.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: What are you trying to prove? Yeah, of course they're
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: not good. I'm not talking about being good. I'm not
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: talking about quality. I'm talking about building and maintaining a
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: consistent staff here in Denver. That's easier said than done.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying it's impossible.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: I'm saying it's impossible, Vic.
• 25:57
  Speaker 8: I'm saying that I've bought into what you– I've listened
• 26:01
  Speaker 8: to you talk about this for years. And the fact
• 26:04
  Speaker 8: of the matter is that even the good pitchers will
• 26:07
  Speaker 8: eventually start to break down.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: They'll wear down eventually.
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: Yes, they will.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: They will wear down. Yes, they will. Listen, a great
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: pitcher will wear down here. It's harder to pitch here consistently.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: You won't get a free agent pitcher of any quality
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: to come here.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: Well, you did, but you had to overpay.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: And that hurt you immensely. And that became a total disaster, right?
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: So I'm asking you, and Joe says, oh, that's just
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: a cop-out. Okay, well, what's the solution then? You tell me.
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: I mean, I think I've said it. I just think
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: they need to expand by a lot their scouting and
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: analytics departments.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: I agree. But by doing that, and I don't disagree
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: with that, you could spend all the money in the world.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: You could take the Milwaukee staff, the analytics staff, the
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: Tampa Bay analytics staff, their staff, bring them here. All right?
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Just switch them up. Bring them here. And it doesn't
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: guarantee you success. That's all I'm saying.
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: It doesn't guarantee it. I think it gives you a
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: lot better shot. A lot better. Like, again, is there
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: a wearing down in altitude? There might be, but I
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: don't think.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: No, no, there is. No, no, no, there's no might be.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: There's no might be. There is. No, that's a fact.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: That's a scientific fact. No, no, there is.
• 27:19
  Speaker 8: Just get guys to come in here and throw 100
• 27:21
  Speaker 8: miles an hour.
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: Like, does Miz wear down in altitude?
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: Does he stop throwing 105?
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: Like, that's what I'm saying. Like, I want to know...
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: Long-term successful pitchers. If Randy Johnson pitched for eight years here,
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: I think he's still Randy Johnson.
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: Because he threw.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: You think his ERA is the same?
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: I think he's a good pitcher.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he probably figured it out. I'm asking you if
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: his numbers... You know, baseball is a statistical sport.
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: I don't think that Randy Johnson has a 5 ERA
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: if he plays here for more than three years.
• 27:52
  Speaker 8: No.
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: I think he's just a really good pitcher. And I
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: just don't know how many of those the Rockies have had.
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: They've had plenty of great position players. But again.
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: Give me the guys.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: No, they've never had top-notch. They've never had top-notch.
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: Died in the wool, number one. No disrespect. Kyle Freeland
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: has been the ace here for like eight years.
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: And he's not really, yeah. And I love Kyle Freeland.
• 28:18
  Speaker 8: And I wish him, by the way, at the age
• 28:19
  Speaker 8: of 33, I hope he goes someplace and wins. I'm
• 28:22
  Speaker 8: going to be incredibly happy for him if he does.
• 28:24
  Speaker 8: But he's not a true, quote, ace.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: That's not him.
• 28:28
  Speaker 6: Not Garrett Cole.
• 28:29
  Speaker 8: No.
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: It's not Miz.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: It's not Snell. You know, he's not these guys. Yeah.
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: So, a couple minutes here.
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: Yamamoto.
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: Moj, something we haven't addressed yet that we need to,
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: because the Avs played well yesterday. They finally broke through.
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: The dam broke, and then all of that.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: Josh Manson?
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: I did not like to see Manson being carried off
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: the ice.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: I did not like that either.
• 28:49
  Speaker 8: No.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: Because Josh Manson, Vic... He's as tough as a $ 3 steak.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Oh, I know. And he brings the toughness. He's the
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: heart and soul, the toughness of the team.
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: So he kind of toe picks, and his ankle goes
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: in a weird direction.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: And see, that's part of the– you're on skates, metal blades, right?
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: And they dig in.
• 29:07
  Speaker 8: You're at the mercy of how your body's going to fall. Now,
• 29:10
  Speaker 8: if he's in open ice, you know, maybe it's not–
• 29:13
  Speaker 8: maybe it's a little different, but he's right there against
• 29:16
  Speaker 8: the boards, right? And he's trying to pull himself up,
• 29:18
  Speaker 8: and he can't even put weight on.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: That left leg.
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: Is it ankle or is it knee?
• 29:23
  Speaker 8: Well, I don't know, but to me it looked like
• 29:25
  Speaker 8: the ankle did one of those quick twisty things.
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: Like when you see a rolled ankle, it's the outside.
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: It rolled in.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: Here's what I'm hoping for. This would be the best
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: case scenario.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: Sprain.
• 29:40
  Speaker 8: Even severe sprain. Because if we're talking about, you know,
• 29:44
  Speaker 8: really torn or broken or.
• 29:47
  Speaker 8: Damn. I... He's going to be– Jared Bednar indicated last
• 29:51
  Speaker 8: night that he's going to miss some time.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: I don't like hearing that.
• 29:53
  Speaker 8: That's going to be reevaluated today and tomorrow, I'm sure.
• 29:57
  Speaker 8: And as soon as he gets the information, he'll pass
• 29:59
  Speaker 8: it along. But it didn't look good, and that guy
• 30:02
  Speaker 8: is tough. So when he can't even– when he's being
• 30:05
  Speaker 8: literally partially carried down the tunnel, that's bad.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: Real bad.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: That ain't good. I'm not going to speculate, but you're
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: exactly right.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: I have no idea what it is, yeah.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: When you can't put any weight on it.
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: And he's the biggest badass on the team. Like, he's not...
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: There's no faking anything or milking anything with Josh Manson.
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: No.
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: If he needs help getting off the ice, that's bad. Now, again, Moj,
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: like you, hopefully it's just like a really bad sprain
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: in the moment. And then after, you know, a few weeks, two,
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: three weeks, it's... Swelling's down and he's better, but... It
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: was one of those, Vic, I don't know if you
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: were doing the nuggets at this time already.
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: He.
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: He had his ankle kind of roll, and it was
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: a split second later, he immediately drops everything and looks
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: straight down at his leg and starts to reach. Yeah,
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: it's bad news.
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: These are mine.
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: Oh, Sanford's looking for the headphones thief.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: Somebody rip you off?
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: The fact, Sanford, that you trusted the heathens that we
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: work with.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: You mean heathen singular?
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: Because I have my arm around one.
• 31:15
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• 31:17
  Speaker 4: I'm completely innocent.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: His name is Mark Moser. You tell him. So Sanford's
• 31:24
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• 31:27
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• 31:32
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• 31:33
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• 31:35
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• 31:40
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• 31:46
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• 31:49
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• 31:53
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• 31:54
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• 31:55
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• 31:56
  Speaker 7: But then I lost them and I realized at one
• 31:58
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• 32:01
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• 32:01
  Speaker 7: Back when I was making real money as a college
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: football coach and somebody steals them.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: From the studio. You knew I found out who it is.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: It's not Mosher. It was McBurglar. McBurglar got me, man.
• 32:14
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• 32:17
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• 32:23
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• 32:30
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• 32:36
  Speaker 6: of guy... that points fingers or makes accusations based on
• 32:41
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• 32:45
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, there's a major reputation.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: There's a reputation.
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, even the good judge, the good kid judge,
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: would slam the hammer down on that.
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: I've got to tell you, I know you've got a
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: past history, and I think you're a good kid. He's
• 33:04
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• 33:05
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• 33:08
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• 33:14
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  Speaker 3: All right.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: Vic, I need you. Couple things. Shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh.
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: Let do a doer thing. Let do a doer thing.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: I need Vic back.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: What's going on?
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: Huh?
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: I need you back. Where are you? Are you still
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: in New Orleans? Yeah.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: We go to Phoenix this afternoon. I'm going to climb
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: Camelback like a boss.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: Oh, God. Right. I'm going to climb Camelback like a boss.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: Like a boss. Oh, God.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: I'm going to go sweat and be a stud. Hey,
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: a couple things.
• 34:19
  Speaker 8: I need you back because your boy over here doesn't know.
• 34:21
  Speaker 8: He doesn't know jack about squat.
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: What do you mean?
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: What?
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: You don't know college football at all.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: And it pisses me off.
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: I want to punch you in the face.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: Number two.
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: I would run circles around you in college football.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Circles.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: Circles. Whatever. Number two.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: You guys want to have a trivia contest?
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: Just stow it for a second, please.
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: Who won the co-ed Notre Dame intramural flag tackle football?
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: No.
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: Was it you, Vic?
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: No, I'm just saying, if you don't want to have
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: a trivia contest, then.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: Were you in the Notre Dame paper for making the catch? Okay.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: You're like Rockin' Ishmael.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying.
• 35:01
  Speaker 8: The news out of Detroit is that Dillon Larkin is
• 35:03
  Speaker 8: not playing tonight. Todd McClellan, the head coach, says Sean
• 35:08
  Speaker 8: Horkoff is going to address the situation.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: Now, is this an imminent trade?
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: Or is this him saying, I'm going to step away
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: like Helly Buck did?
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: What the hell?
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: You know, I can't. I can't. I can't with you two.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: I can't.
• 35:22
  Speaker 9: Helly Buck's comet.
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: Famous comet.
• 35:29
  Speaker 8: I think you guys live, just to watch my head
• 35:32
  Speaker 8: fall off, The fact of the matter is he's not
• 35:36
  Speaker 8: playing tonight.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: And Pierre Lebrun, your boy.
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: Yep, my boy.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: Are you tight with him or free?
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: No, it's me, Pierre.
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: Hearing the trade talks have escalated on Larkin. We get
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: cold talks together.
• 35:48
  Speaker 8: Hearing the trade talks have escalated on Larkin, which doesn't
• 35:50
  Speaker 8: mean it necessarily leads to a trade imminently, but things
• 35:53
  Speaker 8: have escalated.
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know who's in his preferred destination list?
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: The Avs. Oh, really?
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Just saying.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: I thought you were going to say Minnesota.
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: Well, there's a bunch of teams in there, but the
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: Avs are one of them.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Tell you who ain't.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: Any team in Canada. It's getting kind of weird. Well,
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: it's getting kind of interesting, man.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: That can't be good. That can't be good for business.
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: No, no. See, you did this to yourself. This is
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: I don't care. It's one thing. Okay, they have some
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: tension with the U.S. in general. Okay, that's governmental stuff.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: Hellebuck? And Austin Matthews don't have anything to do with that.
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: They won a medal for their country, and you booed
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: them when they played for your team.
• 36:42
  Speaker 8: It's different if you're a Canadian playing for a Canadian team,
• 36:45
  Speaker 8: but Larkin's an American. A lot of Canadian players don't
• 36:49
  Speaker 8: want to play in Canada. The scrutiny, I mean, for
• 36:52
  Speaker 8: a variety of reasons, all the politic crap aside, the.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: Scrutiny you face... In a Canadian market, it can be
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: tough at times, especially the biggins. But everybody, you know,
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: everybody's all over everybody. Anyway, this is very interesting.
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: But, Moj, the fact that they, and I know this
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: has nothing to do with Larkin, but, hey, I wonder
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: why maybe American players don't want to play in Canada.
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: Is it that you're going to hate me if I
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: play for my country and beat your country in a
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: game that involves a gold medal and then I go
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: back to play for your team and then you boo
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: me when I hit the ice?
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: How about bleep you? How's that sound? It's incredibly stupid.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: Want to get some final thoughts here on the games
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: last night?
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:35
  Speaker 8: Because tomorrow's going to be all looking forward. I'm really
• 37:38
  Speaker 8: looking forward to lay it down tomorrow.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 37:46
  Speaker 6: Got it.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: You know what? USC sucks. They're so dumb.
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: They never should have blown up the Pac-12. They're just stupid.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Clowns.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: Just dumb. Just absolute dumbness.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: Are we just doing the stream of consciousness segment now? Yeah,
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: pretty much.
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it is. That's what it is. Thanks, Vic.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: Is that what we're doing?
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: I'll say this. For the Nuggets last night, it was
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: a game that I think it That's what it's supposed
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: to look like. Now, look, you had a few moments
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: where maybe you let go of the rope a little bit.
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: You let the Pelicans back in the game. That's basketball, though.
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: It's a game of runs. They're going to give you
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: a counterpunch at some point. The big things are, number one,
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: Jamal bailed you out on multiple occasions by just creating
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: his own shot.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: They need another creator. You know what Aaron Gordon told
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: me after the game?
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: What's that?
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: I said, how do you explain the defensive... energy tonight.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: Cause they played great defense. And he said, we were
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: really excited to play this game. We came in with
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: the proper mindset to play this game. We held ourselves
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: accountable going into this game. And I said, well, is
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: that something you can do every game? And he said,
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: we need to do a better job of that, which
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: tells me, which tells me first time they played new
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Orleans at home. They were just like, Oh, I'm overlook them.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: Not a, let's just show up. Right. And it looked
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: that way. They gave up 135. Last night. Different team.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: And therein lies the issue, I think, with the Nuggets
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: and even the Avs. Because I think they have the
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: same problem. I brought it up with Coach Bednar the
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: other day when we talked to him. Is it hard
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: to motivate a team in October and November when you
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: know you're going to the playoffs? Is it hard to
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: get those guys?
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: And he said, yeah. He said a little bit, yeah.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: He said, yeah. And I think Aaron Gordon basically said, yeah.
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it is.
• 39:46
  Speaker 8: I think for a team that's been there, done that,
• 39:48
  Speaker 8: you've got to manufacture real reasons to get pumped. I mean,
• 39:52
  Speaker 8: we always go back to the Michael Jordan thing.
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: I took that personally.
• 39:57
  Speaker 8: What was the name of the last dance? And you
• 40:04
  Speaker 8: can clown on him if you want to, but it worked.
• 40:08
  Speaker 8: He would find reasons to get PO'd at people. He
• 40:12
  Speaker 8: would find reasons to get motivated.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: Well, guess what, Michael?
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: I take that personally.
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: It's a long season.
• 40:22
  Speaker 8: You're just naturally not going to be motivated the same
• 40:24
  Speaker 8: way every single game. And for teams that have been there,
• 40:27
  Speaker 8: done that, and teams that are used to winning, I
• 40:30
  Speaker 8: can see where Aaron Gordon's coming from.
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: I just found it extremely revealing that you can't just
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: punch the clock in the NBA, even against lesser teams.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter who the team is. Can't just punch
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: the clock. You have to bring it. And yesterday, last night,
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: they brought it. Let's see if they do it again tomorrow.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: And by the way, Phoenix, the sons, they're in shambles there.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: They've got some infighting. They, they got some issues going
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: on already.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: Devin Booker available season.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: They want a point guard. They're looking for a point
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: guard on that team. Um, And I don't know if
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: the trade market is going to provide them one, but
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: they're in a dealing mood.
• 41:09
  Speaker 8: Nelly said this out earlier from Brick Center on the
• 41:13
  Speaker 8: old X machine. Bruce was so unserious. Opening tip last
• 41:16
  Speaker 8: night against the Lakers.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: You see what happened?
• 41:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: That was unreal. Dude bangs the ball into the backcourt.
• 41:23
  Speaker 8: And because Darius Garland is tying his hair up, he
• 41:25
  Speaker 8: couldn't collect the.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: Ball and save a turnover.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: He's got a rubber band in his hair.
• 41:32
  Speaker 8: I thought of that because you brought up Aaron Gordon,
• 41:34
  Speaker 8: and his hair was tied up last night, Vic, but
• 41:36
  Speaker 8: his hair was tied.
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: Up before the opening tip.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 41:40
  Speaker 8: Garland's in the backcourt as they tip the ball off,
• 41:43
  Speaker 8: tying his hair, and he can't get to the loose ball.
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: Sorry about that turnover. I'm just doing my last mascara touches.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: Oh, criminy.
• 41:52
  Speaker 8: Anyway, sorry about my open stream of consciousness, Vic, but
• 41:56
  Speaker 8: it just cracks me up.
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: Funny stuff.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: Your face is still really red. I know.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: Why is that, man? It's something.
• 42:02
  Speaker 8: I'm going to get a new shower head. I think
• 42:05
  Speaker 8: my burning eyeballs have got to be my shower head.
• 42:08
  Speaker 8: There's something in my shower head that's bad. It can't
• 42:12
  Speaker 8: be the shampoo.
• 42:13
  Speaker 6: I'm going to leave. Not even kidding. I'm going to
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: leave the show. If you talk one more time to me,
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: on or off the air, about your shower and your eyeballs.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: You say that like it's a threat.
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: You say it to me every day.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: Every day.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: Well, there's got to be... Okay. You know what?
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: I'm not.
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: And to me, my solution would be like, you fix it.
• 42:38
  Speaker 8: Your lack of concern about my personal well-being is... Honestly,
• 42:42
  Speaker 8: it's atrocious.
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: You fix it.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: You're supposed to be a friend.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: What is this thing you just... tweeted us or sent
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: to us nelly what is that yeah.
• 42:53
  Speaker 9: I saw that that's from t carlton lewis on twitter
• 42:57
  Speaker 9: and he said yesterday.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: Julie is he the father of juju lewis.
• 43:01
  Speaker 9: I would have to assume so because it signed the
• 43:03
  Speaker 9: lewis family and he said julian experienced a medical emergency
• 43:07
  Speaker 9: at the university of colorado athletic facility and was promptly
• 43:10
  Speaker 9: transported to the hospital wow It.
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: Says he is recovering and thankful to his medical team
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: teammates and Colorado fans for their prayers and support. Please
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: respect Julian and the Lewis family's privacy. We will have
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: no further comment at this time.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: Whoa. Wow.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: He's okay. Okay.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: I hope he's all right. And it says he's recovering.
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: So I don't know. We'll see if some more details
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: emerge throughout the course of the day today. I'm sure
• 43:38
  Speaker 6: the rest of the shows will have info on that
• 43:41
  Speaker 6: as we go along. The winner of our tickets to
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: go see the Avs in Calgary on Saturday, Halloween, is
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: Corey Barnica.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: Barnacle? What?
• 43:56
  Speaker 6: Barnica. So congrats to Corey. Again, this is at the arena.
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: If you've got kids that are going to the game
• 44:03
  Speaker 6: that night, have no fear. Trick-or-treating is going to happen
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: inside Ball Arena. Free candy, courtesy of King Soopers.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: Mosher still doesn't have a costume.
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: Can you get one by tomorrow morning, Moj?
• 44:13
  Speaker 9: We should wear costumes for tomorrow's show.
• 44:16
  Speaker 8: Negative.
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: Halloween show.
• 44:17
  Speaker 8: There's a Spirit Halloween literally 25 steps away.
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: I'm going there right now.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: You know what I forgot on this road trip? I
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: don't have my fake teeth or a wig. How unfortunate.
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: What an unserious journalist you are.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: It's exactly right. I have none of that. I didn't
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: bring my fake teeth with me. All four different fake teeth.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: I have none. And My short middle wig stayed home. Nothing.
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: How dare you?
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: For the biggest night of the year.
• 44:45
  Speaker 6: How dare you? Well, I'm sure there's a spirit Halloween
• 44:48
  Speaker 6: next door to that voodoo shop that you went to yesterday.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: All right, Nelly.
• 44:53
  Speaker 6: Fact checker, please.
• 44:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Nelly monitors the mistakes in today's Fact Checker.
• 45:00
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• 45:01
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• 45:10
  Speaker 9: So earlier today, I came back from commercial with this song,
• 45:13
  Speaker 9: Move On Up, by the great Curtis Mayfield, and Vic
• 45:16
  Speaker 9: decided to ask us a trivia question. He said this
• 45:19
  Speaker 9: is from a prominent movie, a prominent soccer movie, from
• 45:22
  Speaker 9: the past 10 years, okay? 10 years ago was 2016,
• 45:27
  Speaker 9: last time I checked. The movie he was thinking of
• 45:29
  Speaker 9: was Bend It Like Beckham, who was first released in
• 45:32
  Speaker 9: England in 2002.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: Figure it out, dude.
• 45:35
  Speaker 6: I was in middle school.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: My years doubled. When you get old, you don't remember years.
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: All right, listen. I have Curtis Mayfield's album from a
• 45:43
  Speaker 6: live concert, by the way. It's wonderful. What is the
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: number one song from Curtis Mayfield in any movie involving
• 45:52
  Speaker 6: the drug trade?
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: Superfly.
• 45:55
  Speaker 6: Superfly?
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: And the theme to Shaft? No.
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: That was Isaac Hayes.
• 46:00
  Speaker 9: Oh, Isaac Hayes.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: I thought Superfly was Curtis Mayfield, though. It was.
• 46:03
  Speaker 6: Pusha Man. Pusha Man is by far the number one
• 46:09
  Speaker 6: drug movie montage song that's ever been made. He left
• 46:13
  Speaker 6: us way too early. Pusha Man's a great song.
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: Diabetes got him. It's sad.
• 46:20
  Speaker 6: So iTunes, Spotify, Moshe Lombardi, and Kane is where you
• 46:23
  Speaker 6: can find the podcast. We'll talk to you tomorrow on
• 46:26
  Speaker 6: a Bud Light Football Friday. Have a wonderful day.
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: Love you. See you.