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- 0:00Speaker 1: Hello. My name is Kai, and I am a bit
- 0:02Speaker 1: of a rambler. I like to travel, learn and tell stories.
- 0:07Speaker 1: Today I want to talk about mountains because I liked
- 0:12Speaker 1: climbing mountains as a kid and I always got into it.
- 0:16Speaker 1: But when I was living in China, it hit me
- 0:19Speaker 1: after like a year that I hadn't climbed any mountains,
- 0:22Speaker 1: and they had some of the most famous and awe
- 0:24Speaker 1: inspiring mountains in the world. After all, I'd seen crouching
- 0:28Speaker 1: Tiger Head and Dragon. So I'm just realizing I probably
- 0:32Speaker 1: could have climbed that. Which mountain was that, I'm going
- 0:35Speaker 1: to check if I climb that mountain. Oh it was Hoangshan. Okay,
- 0:38Speaker 1: so yes, I've climbed the mountain and crouching Tiger had
- 0:40Speaker 1: and Dragon not just a joke. That's the most famous
- 0:44Speaker 1: mountain in China. They say like, there are five mountains
- 0:48Speaker 1: in China, and if you climb four of them, you
- 0:51Speaker 1: never need to see another mountain again. But if you
- 0:53Speaker 1: climb hoang Shan, you don't need to look at those
- 0:56Speaker 1: four mountains. That means I was in that town too, Homesoung.
- 1:00Speaker 1: That's cool. I was in the town and crouching I
- 1:03Speaker 1: didn't even know. Wow, I am pretty clueless. Sometimes good
- 1:07Speaker 1: to find this out a decade later. Okay, So anyway,
- 1:11Speaker 1: I climbed a lot of mountains. We can easily say fifty.
- 1:15Speaker 1: If we're counting individual peaks, then well well over one
- 1:18Speaker 1: hundred or a couple hundred. I don't know. It's a
- 1:20Speaker 1: lot like hwah On by itself had five seven peaks
- 1:23Speaker 1: I don't know, and I climbed all of them the
- 1:25Speaker 1: same night. I want there. The mountains in China are great,
- 1:30Speaker 1: not for the least reason of them having steps. They
- 1:34Speaker 1: all have steps, because every mountain is thousands of years
- 1:38Speaker 1: old and people have been climbing up it so much.
- 1:41Speaker 1: Eventually a monk was like, oh, let us have steps,
- 1:44Speaker 1: and then they cut steps into the mountain. They all
- 1:47Speaker 1: have one hundred stories for each mountain, and they have
- 1:50Speaker 1: little stone explanation things sometimes and sometimes there's just steps.
- 1:55Speaker 1: But it is pretty nice having steps going up every
- 2:01Speaker 1: major mountain in China. They don't all Some of them
- 2:04Speaker 1: have paths, and I went on probably more of those honestly,
- 2:07Speaker 1: because I would just find a mountain. But all of
- 2:10Speaker 1: the main ones have these steps, and it feels like
- 2:12Speaker 1: you're ascending a program. It feels like you're getting something done,
- 2:16Speaker 1: accomplishing something with these steps, and it's amazing to be
- 2:19Speaker 1: walking up the steps and then see someone carrying two huge,
- 2:24Speaker 1: like oil drum sized buckets of water up these sheer,
- 2:29Speaker 1: sheer steps and they're like ninety years old with a
- 2:31Speaker 1: bamboo pole hung between two giant gallon or like oil
- 2:36Speaker 1: drums of filled with water barrels some would call them.
- 2:40Speaker 1: So it's nice that they all have steps. It is
- 2:44Speaker 1: very Chinese, like, like getting to the top of the mountain.
- 2:49Speaker 1: In America, we're like, we don't use steps. You pull
- 2:53Speaker 1: yourself up and all that kind of you know, you
- 2:55Speaker 1: hike the trails if they give you a trail. But
- 2:58Speaker 1: in China they're like, no, you're trying to get to
- 3:00Speaker 1: the top of them, and that's what you do. You
- 3:02Speaker 1: build a stairway to the top. That's where you're trying
- 3:04Speaker 1: to get to. There's so many fun cultural things about
- 3:08Speaker 1: China that just still make me laugh to this day.
- 3:11Speaker 1: If you like explain to a Chinese person like no, no, no,
- 3:14Speaker 1: we don't use steps. You need to really fight through it,
- 3:17Speaker 1: they're like, oh, that that doesn't sound as enjoyable, doesn't
- 3:21Speaker 1: that make it unnecessarily difficult, and in you know, of course,
- 3:25Speaker 1: in certain respects they're right and wrong, and so are we.
- 3:29Speaker 1: So while you're climbing mountains in China, you can appreciate
- 3:34Speaker 1: that there are step paths up and that I mean
- 3:37Speaker 1: millions of people have climbed those steps before you. There's
- 3:42Speaker 1: memory in them. You can see the individual footprints in
- 3:44Speaker 1: the stone in a lot of the mountains. That's pretty cool.
- 3:49Speaker 1: That's you know, living history memory in the rock of
- 3:53Speaker 1: a mountain. It's pretty impressive to see a lot and
- 3:57Speaker 1: they wind off. There are multiple there's not just one
- 4:00Speaker 1: step going up. All the paths go all around. So
- 4:02Speaker 1: you can take all these different, nice comfortable stairway paths
- 4:07Speaker 1: that are not easy by any stretch of the imagination.
- 4:10Speaker 1: Many many people take breaks multiple times along the ascent,
- 4:15Speaker 1: and it can still take hours. But it's just nice
- 4:18Speaker 1: that they have steps. And it's funny in this world,
- 4:21Speaker 1: like especially as an American, where everything is the oldest
- 4:25Speaker 1: thing in our country is less than two hundred years old.
- 4:28Speaker 1: I know, I know, I'm just saying it's like about
- 4:31Speaker 1: two hundred years old, and then they're they're like, well,
- 4:34Speaker 1: this one's three thousand years old. There's another one that's
- 4:37Speaker 1: you know, three or thirty five hundred years old, and
- 4:40Speaker 1: their mountains are so much older in terms of human
- 4:45Speaker 1: habitation that after however long it took, they were just like,
- 4:49Speaker 1: you know what, time for some stairs. Let's just let's
- 4:52Speaker 1: skip over this not having stairs thing. Everyone's going to
- 4:55Speaker 1: keep climbing up mountains for another thousand years. Let's put
- 4:57Speaker 1: in a stairway, so the mountains in China have stairs.
- 5:02Speaker 1: I find it charming and fun and culturally relevant. It
- 5:05Speaker 1: kind of sticks out to me as like this new
- 5:08Speaker 1: way to look at hiking a mountain, which before I
- 5:10Speaker 1: would have scoffed at as an American because my cultural experiences,
- 5:14Speaker 1: I can do this myself. But it's a good lesson
- 5:18Speaker 1: to see. Yeah, they have steps. Okay, So I want
- 5:23Speaker 1: to tell my mountain stories, and I think I'm going
- 5:26Speaker 1: to start with Taishan, which is next to the town Taian,
- 5:30Speaker 1: where a girlfriend was from. And she said I should
- 5:35Speaker 1: climb Taishan. And that's really all that convincing I need,
- 5:39Speaker 1: pretty much of anything. So we went took a train
- 5:42Speaker 1: over there, and I was already loving it, because as
- 5:47Speaker 1: soon as you're climbing a mountain. You're above the pollution
- 5:49Speaker 1: in China, which is mostly like this dirt cloud above
- 5:52Speaker 1: the biggest cities, and as soon as you're out of
- 5:54Speaker 1: the biggest cities, the air is pretty clean, sometimes shockingly clean.
- 6:00Speaker 1: And we hiked through the night so that we would
- 6:02Speaker 1: be able to see the sunrise together. And I don't
- 6:05Speaker 1: remember much of it because you know, there are stairs,
- 6:08Speaker 1: so it's not like you had to go through. You
- 6:11Speaker 1: didn't have to improvise a path or trailblaze anything. But
- 6:15Speaker 1: it was a nice climb up, and I hiked a
- 6:18Speaker 1: lot and I ran a lot, so I got to
- 6:20Speaker 1: look like strong because I didn't have to take breaks.
- 6:22Speaker 1: And I was like, no, no, take your time, it's fine.
- 6:25Speaker 1: Sometimes we all need a rest. I'm fine, No, no, no.
- 6:29Speaker 1: Weeke of going up. And when we got to the top,
- 6:34Speaker 1: it was cold, and I wasn't thinking because I don't
- 6:38Speaker 1: even think I had a jacket at that point. I
- 6:40Speaker 1: might have had a hoodie, but I didn't bring my
- 6:42Speaker 1: hoodie and it was maybe I don't know, forty five
- 6:46Speaker 1: degrees fahrenheit. It was like twenty degrees celsius, and I
- 6:50Speaker 1: was starting to shiver and I was like, oh boy, like,
- 6:52Speaker 1: if we have to wait here because we had to
- 6:54Speaker 1: wait now for an hour for the centurrise. Because we
- 6:56Speaker 1: got up a little faster than we did. It took
- 6:58Speaker 1: a couple hours or something might taken four hours, might
- 7:01Speaker 1: taken a while, I can't remember. And my girlfriend at
- 7:05Speaker 1: the time helped me buy one of those huge Russian
- 7:08Speaker 1: thick winter coats or Mongolian coats that they wear that
- 7:11Speaker 1: are just super thick, and I was like, oh, thank goodness,
- 7:14Speaker 1: and there's just a guy up there with a huge
- 7:17Speaker 1: hut full of these super warm coats that you can
- 7:20Speaker 1: rent for a couple dollars while you wait for the
- 7:24Speaker 1: sun to rise on this magical peak. Now I say
- 7:28Speaker 1: magical because this sunrise is one of the most insane
- 7:34Speaker 1: things I have ever seen. And I still don't know
- 7:38Speaker 1: what happened exactly, And I'm sure I've come across the
- 7:42Speaker 1: words for this phenomenon before, but I don't know what
- 7:46Speaker 1: those words are now, and I sure didn't have words
- 7:48Speaker 1: for it back then. But we were with a group
- 7:51Speaker 1: of I don't know, fifty to one hundred people who
- 7:54Speaker 1: had made it up before the sunrise were all waiting
- 7:58Speaker 1: and it's just, you know, this guy's a little bit brighter,
- 8:00Speaker 1: little bit brighter, and then it's like, okay, we're at
- 8:03Speaker 1: the time the sun's about to start rising. And then
- 8:08Speaker 1: the thing is we had to start at the horizon
- 8:11Speaker 1: because there was a flood of clouds. Suddenly they all
- 8:15Speaker 1: rolled in and covered all the lower peaks. We were
- 8:18Speaker 1: on the highest peak, the actual Tayshon Peak, and all
- 8:21Speaker 1: the other peaks were lower and they were all covered
- 8:24Speaker 1: in clouds. And on the sides there were larger peaks
- 8:28Speaker 1: like poking up to the clouds. But in front of us,
- 8:31Speaker 1: out to the horizon where the sun was going to rise,
- 8:33Speaker 1: there was just a field of fluffy but almost dense clouds.
- 8:40Speaker 1: It was already absurdly beautiful and romantic, and in the
- 8:46Speaker 1: poetical sense of the word and the romantic sense of
- 8:50Speaker 1: the word, come to think of it. My girlfriend was
- 8:53Speaker 1: very happy to be there, and then I was just
- 8:56Speaker 1: staring because I was like, I'm going to see that
- 8:58Speaker 1: horizon sunrise before anyone else. And then there was a
- 9:03Speaker 1: weird light bulb thing poking up in the middle of
- 9:10Speaker 1: the field of clouds. So there's where on a mountain,
- 9:15Speaker 1: there mountains off to the sides, and then a huge
- 9:18Speaker 1: field of clouds heading off into the horizon, and in
- 9:25Speaker 1: the middle of the field of clouds, a light came
- 9:29Speaker 1: up and I was like, what the fuck is that?
- 9:31Speaker 1: Is that like a air tower or like a four
- 9:37Speaker 1: G tower with a light blinking? And then it kept
- 9:40Speaker 1: coming up and getting brighter, and I realized it was
- 9:43Speaker 1: the sun. The sun was rising in the middle of
- 9:50Speaker 1: the bank of clouds. We were all staring at and
- 9:54Speaker 1: I was like very confused, and everyone was like looking excited,
- 9:59Speaker 1: and and then they started like, wow, what is it doing?
- 10:02Speaker 1: What is it doing there? And that's what I was wondering.
- 10:05Speaker 1: And I asked my girlfriend, like, do you see the sun?
- 10:10Speaker 1: Is it in the middle of the clouds. She was like, yeah, yeah,
- 10:15Speaker 1: it's in the middle of the clouds. And I was like,
- 10:17Speaker 1: how that's where the land is. How is the sun
- 10:21Speaker 1: coming up from the land instead of behind this miles
- 10:26Speaker 1: long bank of clouds at the horizon. Why is it
- 10:28Speaker 1: coming up in the middle of the clouds. And she
- 10:31Speaker 1: was like, I don't know. And it was a deep,
- 10:34Speaker 1: deep red orange, not bright yellow, deep deep red orange,
- 10:39Speaker 1: and it was like pushing up through the clouds, this
- 10:44Speaker 1: like lion king ass sun, and it was so bewildering.
- 10:50Speaker 1: All of us just stared at it and washed it
- 10:53Speaker 1: and it after it passed like the halfway point, and
- 10:56Speaker 1: half of it wasn't covered by the clouds anymore. It
- 11:00Speaker 1: got a little more yellow, and then the more it
- 11:04Speaker 1: left the cloud cover, the more yellow the sun became.
- 11:07Speaker 1: And then it came all the way out of the
- 11:10Speaker 1: middle of the cloud bank, and it wasn't obscured by
- 11:12Speaker 1: any clouds, and it became a bright yellow of you know,
- 11:15Speaker 1: the sun after its risen. But it changed from red
- 11:20Speaker 1: to orange to the bright regular sun yellow. And once
- 11:24Speaker 1: it got high enough over the bank of clouds, then
- 11:26Speaker 1: it looked like it was back in the horizon. But
- 11:31Speaker 1: it came up optically anyway in the middle of the
- 11:36Speaker 1: cloud bank, very clearly, like it wasn't almost near the horizon.
- 11:41Speaker 1: It was like halfway to us, halfway in the middle
- 11:45Speaker 1: of this cloud in the middle of a miles long
- 11:46Speaker 1: cloud bank, so mile and a half in a mile
- 11:49Speaker 1: and a half away from us or half a mile. Really,
- 11:52Speaker 1: it was pretty close. It felt close. It looked very close,
- 11:55Speaker 1: and everyone agreed like that was weird that the sun
- 11:58Speaker 1: came up in the middle of the cloud bank, like
- 12:01Speaker 1: over the land instead of in the horizon, and then
- 12:05Speaker 1: we all gave our coats back and started walking back
- 12:09Speaker 1: down the mountain like in you know, straggling pairs or whatever.
- 12:13Speaker 1: And that site has stuck in my mind forever, and
- 12:20Speaker 1: it's thinking about it now. I can very clearly see it.
- 12:25Speaker 1: And I was telling this story recently and the person asked,
- 12:30Speaker 1: are you sure. I was like, yeah, I know, I
- 12:32Speaker 1: know how it sounds when the cloud come rises overland
- 12:35Speaker 1: through cloud banks, but that's what it looked like. It
- 12:39Speaker 1: was nuts. And I was with my friends, so they
- 12:42Speaker 1: were like, have you asked her if she saw the
- 12:45Speaker 1: same thing, And I hadn't in a decade, so I
- 12:49Speaker 1: was like, that's a great idea. So I reached out
- 12:51Speaker 1: and I asked her about what she saw when we
- 12:56Speaker 1: saw the sun rise, and she didn't quite know I
- 13:00Speaker 1: was getting at and while we were seeing it, she
- 13:03Speaker 1: did look really confused at what was happening, but it
- 13:06Speaker 1: was just like accepting it. So then I asked her, like, well,
- 13:09Speaker 1: when the sun rose, did it rise on the horizon,
- 13:13Speaker 1: like behind the mountains and everything. Did it rise how
- 13:16Speaker 1: it normally rises, or did it rise in the middle
- 13:21Speaker 1: of a cloud bank? And immediately she said, Oh, it
- 13:24Speaker 1: came from the middle of the clouds. The sun rose
- 13:27Speaker 1: in the middle of the clouds. There were clouds behind
- 13:29Speaker 1: it and clouds in front of it from where we were,
- 13:32Speaker 1: but the cloud the sun didn't rise on the horizon
- 13:36Speaker 1: where it should happen. It rose in the middle of
- 13:38Speaker 1: all the clouds. So I have at least one other
- 13:41Speaker 1: person who was right next to me when it happened,
- 13:44Speaker 1: who also remembers the sun rising through clouds with a
- 13:50Speaker 1: mile or so of clouds behind it. It was the
- 13:53Speaker 1: and there wasn't another sun rise at the same time.
- 13:57Speaker 1: There was one blood orange, blood red sun rising in
- 14:02Speaker 1: the middle, and then when it was high enough, it
- 14:05Speaker 1: looked like it was back on the horizon, but when
- 14:08Speaker 1: it rose, it rose through a cloud bank. Glad to share.
- 14:14Speaker 1: That was one of the craziest things I have ever
- 14:16Speaker 1: seen in my life. Another crazy thing was this like
- 14:19Speaker 1: cow I saw in a forest that I didn't realize.
- 14:22Speaker 1: We tracked until we were like ten feet away from it,
- 14:24Speaker 1: and it was just staring at us, and it was
- 14:25Speaker 1: pretty freaky. But the sun was probably sun was more impressive.
- 14:30Speaker 1: The sun was crazy. So that was my that's my
- 14:34Speaker 1: Tai Shan story. I should probably bring up the monks
- 14:38Speaker 1: story because I was with the same girlfriend on a
- 14:40Speaker 1: different mountain closer to Beijing when this happened. And this
- 14:45Speaker 1: story makes me laugh to this day because a lot
- 14:48Speaker 1: of Chinese people, you know, people from every country, have
- 14:52Speaker 1: conceptions of Americans and they act on those concepts same
- 15:00Speaker 1: way that everybody does, So shut up, Kai. So when
- 15:03Speaker 1: I walked up, he saw a foreigner and a monk huddled.
- 15:07Speaker 1: We're like halfway up the mountain by this point, after
- 15:10Speaker 1: ninety minutes of walking, I'll say, and he scuttled out
- 15:13Speaker 1: of his hovel built into the side of the mountain
- 15:17Speaker 1: and he was like, Hello, where are you from? And
- 15:20Speaker 1: he was all dressed, all monk like, and I was like,
- 15:25Speaker 1: it's nice to meet you. I'm from Hawaii and he
- 15:30Speaker 1: was like that's great. So what are you doing in China?
- 15:33Speaker 1: Do you like it? Yes? Of course, everyone asked the
- 15:35Speaker 1: same things the first time. Do you eat spicy food?
- 15:38Speaker 1: I do? Ah? And then he said, look at you.
- 15:43Speaker 1: You're very strong, aren't you. Americans are very strong. And
- 15:47Speaker 1: I'm like a pretty thin guy. But I was jogging
- 15:51Speaker 1: a lot and working out, and I was like, oh,
- 15:53Speaker 1: thank you monk for noticing. He was like, but that
- 15:57Speaker 1: doesn't matter. I was like, well, it's kind of important
- 16:01Speaker 1: to remain like physically, you know, capable of things. And
- 16:07Speaker 1: he was like, how do you even know you're strong?
- 16:09Speaker 1: And I was like, wow, this is an aggressive monk
- 16:12Speaker 1: and this is right in the first year when I
- 16:14Speaker 1: got there, so my Chinese was still really bad, and
- 16:17Speaker 1: I wanted to explain my exercise routine and why it
- 16:21Speaker 1: was important to you know, do yoga stretch also in
- 16:25Speaker 1: addition to wait whatever. But I couldn't explain that properly,
- 16:29Speaker 1: like I tried a few times and had false starts,
- 16:31Speaker 1: and I was like, exercise duan leen, which I did
- 16:34Speaker 1: know how to say. And then I did some push
- 16:36Speaker 1: ups in front of him, and he laughed in a
- 16:39Speaker 1: monk like way and shook his head and turned to
- 16:42Speaker 1: my girlfriend and said, ha, you see, Americans don't understand.
- 16:46Speaker 1: And then he turned to me and he said that
- 16:49Speaker 1: does not make you strong. What makes you strong is
- 16:53Speaker 1: how many of you there are. And I was like, oh, okay,
- 16:56Speaker 1: I get it. Like I instantly saw where he was going.
- 16:59Speaker 1: He was like, do you know how many people America has?
- 17:03Speaker 1: Do you know how many people China has? I was like, yep, yeah,
- 17:05Speaker 1: I get it. And he was like, so you are
- 17:08Speaker 1: this stick and he held up this I don't know,
- 17:13Speaker 1: let's say, finger sized stick. He's like very strong, very big,
- 17:18Speaker 1: very strong American, right, And I was like, oh no, no,
- 17:21Speaker 1: not really, but thank you. But if you have a
- 17:25Speaker 1: group of people and he held up the twigs, they
- 17:30Speaker 1: together are stronger than one branch. And he pointed to,
- 17:35Speaker 1: you know, the me stick and I was like, that
- 17:39Speaker 1: is that's correct, That's a good point. And he turned
- 17:43Speaker 1: to my girlfriend. He's like, ah see, I can teach
- 17:46Speaker 1: we Chinese can teach Americans. And then I said, you know, though,
- 17:53Speaker 1: if you have many branches, all of the branches together
- 18:00Speaker 1: will be stronger than all of the sticks together. Is
- 18:03Speaker 1: that correct, teacher, And you could just see his face
- 18:09Speaker 1: like drop and he had this murderous, you motherfucker look
- 18:14Speaker 1: behind his eyes and he was like he doesn't get it.
- 18:18Speaker 1: To my girlfriend whirled around and scurried back into the
- 18:23Speaker 1: mountain shack and she was like, oh no, no, he
- 18:26Speaker 1: gets it, and he really does like China. And she
- 18:28Speaker 1: was like trying to mollify him. But that's still one
- 18:32Speaker 1: of the funniest things that happened. To me on a mountain. Thanks,
- 18:36Speaker 1: old Monk. I didn't mean anything by it, but you
- 18:39Speaker 1: know you didn't have to start shit neither. So a
- 18:43Speaker 1: few years into my China journey, a friend showed up
- 18:49Speaker 1: and I had been inviting people to China for all
- 18:52Speaker 1: three years, and my mom actually made a visit for
- 18:54Speaker 1: a couple of weeks and had quite an adventure, mostly
- 18:59Speaker 1: just eating good food and listening to me speak Chinese
- 19:03Speaker 1: and being just completely underpressed, thinking I was terrible, and
- 19:08Speaker 1: then watching other foreigners speak Chinese being like, oh God,
- 19:11Speaker 1: did you see how good he How does he do it?
- 19:14Speaker 1: I was like, I was, I ordered for you like
- 19:17Speaker 1: ten minutes ago. But she had a good time. And
- 19:20Speaker 1: finally another person agreed to visit, Josh, so he came
- 19:26Speaker 1: over and I showed him Rick and Morty. I have
- 19:29Speaker 1: to say that because it just stuck out. I was like,
- 19:32Speaker 1: I just watched the funniest TV show I've ever seen
- 19:34Speaker 1: and showed him Rick and Morty, and I watched the
- 19:38Speaker 1: entire first season again with him. Because the first season
- 19:40Speaker 1: was so good. I was like, yeah, I can watch
- 19:42Speaker 1: this entire thing again, even though I watched the whole
- 19:43Speaker 1: thing yesterday thirteen hours ago and we did that, and
- 19:47Speaker 1: then he was looking to do something more fun. And
- 19:50Speaker 1: I was looking to be very drunk for the rest
- 19:53Speaker 1: of the year, as I had been for the entire
- 19:56Speaker 1: beginning of that year, because the first three years in
- 19:58Speaker 1: China was just drunk. He's like, let's do something. Let's
- 20:01Speaker 1: go to a club or climb a mountain. And I
- 20:05Speaker 1: was like, well, the club suck because they're loud and
- 20:08Speaker 1: I don't like them, but mountains are cool. Do you
- 20:11Speaker 1: want to go about Are you sure? Because we could
- 20:14Speaker 1: just get drunk, maybe watch Rick and Morty again. He's like, no,
- 20:19Speaker 1: I feel like we should do something because we've been
- 20:21Speaker 1: drunk for like four days. And upon realizing that we
- 20:25Speaker 1: had already spent four days in a haze of in sobriety,
- 20:29Speaker 1: after you know, making sure one more time, he really
- 20:31Speaker 1: wanted to do anything physical outside, not next to a
- 20:37Speaker 1: restaurant or bar. We went out and got tickets to
- 20:43Speaker 1: h wash On, which is the most dangerous mountain in
- 20:46Speaker 1: the world. The most people die on it. Slightly less
- 20:48Speaker 1: people die on it now. I think it's like twenty
- 20:51Speaker 1: people a year die climbing the cliff side thing now,
- 20:55Speaker 1: but there's a cliff side part of the trail where
- 21:01Speaker 1: you climb down like a hole the size of a manhole,
- 21:04Speaker 1: and then you go on two small planks of wood
- 21:08Speaker 1: like maybe a foot to eighteen inches wide thirty centimeters folks,
- 21:14Speaker 1: And you just lean against the mountain and scooch along
- 21:21Speaker 1: these wooden planks until you get around the crazy side
- 21:26Speaker 1: of the trail with no fence or boundary line and
- 21:29Speaker 1: no safety ropes. And used to be like one hundred
- 21:34Speaker 1: people were dying every year because it's a plank on
- 21:37Speaker 1: the bald face of a mountain. And then they finally
- 21:42Speaker 1: installed safety line so you had something to hold onto
- 21:47Speaker 1: after I don't know, it happened like twenty eighteen. Very
- 21:53Speaker 1: recently they added in these safety lines and now only
- 21:56Speaker 1: twenty people that year or something. And but that's like
- 22:00Speaker 1: the cool one. I had been climbing mountains, you know
- 22:03Speaker 1: for a year or something. But I was like, you know,
- 22:04Speaker 1: I haven't gone to washeion yet? It's supposed to be
- 22:06Speaker 1: the dangerous crazy one? And he was like, great, let's go.
- 22:10Speaker 1: So the next day I was like, well, let's get
- 22:12Speaker 1: drunk one more day we can go that we can
- 22:14Speaker 1: go up tomorrow. It's already the afternoon the day is shot.
- 22:18Speaker 1: And we did that, and so we got the train
- 22:21Speaker 1: to Hwaiyin, which was the city near the famous mountain
- 22:26Speaker 1: Hahan Shan means mountain in Chinese in Mandarin anyway, Oh,
- 22:31Speaker 1: I think it's in Canoney's also anyway. So we're on
- 22:34Speaker 1: the train and we jump off and the sun is
- 22:37Speaker 1: just setting, and I was like, oh, right, we're gonna
- 22:39Speaker 1: be hiking at night. So we just went up bought
- 22:43Speaker 1: a ticket and then they let us walk up a
- 22:46Speaker 1: mountain in what rapidly became pitch blackness. It was very dark,
- 22:51Speaker 1: and this was a great mountain climb. I had a
- 22:54Speaker 1: very good time. I like the nighttime already, and it
- 22:58Speaker 1: was the perfect temperature. There was bog rolling everywhere. There's
- 23:01Speaker 1: a paved path and then steps leading to the next
- 23:04Speaker 1: pay paths are huge courtyards. But before we got to
- 23:08Speaker 1: the courtyards were one hundred meters down the pathway and
- 23:14Speaker 1: there's one other guy. I think we might have had
- 23:17Speaker 1: a beer. We did, you know what. We went to
- 23:19Speaker 1: a restaurant and had dinner and a couple beers first.
- 23:23Speaker 1: So by the time we actually got on the mountain
- 23:26Speaker 1: it was much darker and it was really it felt
- 23:30Speaker 1: like evening nighttime. Then the sun was totally gone, and
- 23:34Speaker 1: so I didn't expect to see many people because Chinese
- 23:36Speaker 1: people do not like the dark, and they don't like
- 23:39Speaker 1: remote locations. They like to be with other people. So
- 23:43Speaker 1: I was like, we're probably going to be the only
- 23:44Speaker 1: people climbing up this mountain. And I was nearly right.
- 23:49Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't one hundred meters. It was more
- 23:50Speaker 1: like half a mile or something like a kilometer. And
- 23:54Speaker 1: there was these like resting things, resting pagodas, sort of
- 23:59Speaker 1: gazebos with like a picnic table, and even at night,
- 24:04Speaker 1: there were little snacks snack shops, like vendors selling instant
- 24:09Speaker 1: noodles and snacks and all that kind of stuff. And
- 24:12Speaker 1: in the third one we passed, there was this guy
- 24:14Speaker 1: slurping down a bowl of noodles and I was like, whoa, okay,
- 24:18Speaker 1: maybe there will be a couple other people. And I
- 24:22Speaker 1: saw him look up at us and stare at us,
- 24:24Speaker 1: and I was just like anyhow, and he's like huh,
- 24:28Speaker 1: and then went back to slurping his noodles. But the
- 24:31Speaker 1: look in his eyes, I was like, something's going on.
- 24:35Speaker 1: It's some weird look in his eyes, but I was
- 24:38Speaker 1: like whatever, we got to climb this mountain. And we
- 24:39Speaker 1: just kept walking. And then after you know, we're a
- 24:45Speaker 1: little ways past him, maybe thirty feet or so, and
- 24:48Speaker 1: I hear him jump up and scuttle like push everything
- 24:52Speaker 1: into his backpack and then running behind us. And he
- 24:55Speaker 1: shows up and he's like, wait, don't even go on,
- 24:57Speaker 1: and what's up, guys? What are you doing? And I
- 25:01Speaker 1: was like, hey, you know, climb the mountain. And he's like, ooh,
- 25:04Speaker 1: Google Google. So I'm just gonna translate everything into English.
- 25:07Speaker 1: Now can I come with you guys? And I was
- 25:11Speaker 1: like oh uh, and he goes cause it's very dark
- 25:16Speaker 1: and I don't want to climb the mountain in the
- 25:19Speaker 1: dark because of how scary it is. And I was
- 25:24Speaker 1: just like, uh, yeah, I think that's fine by me.
- 25:27Speaker 1: And I asked Josh and he was like, yeah, sure,
- 25:30Speaker 1: of course. And so we had a third member of
- 25:33Speaker 1: our party, and he was effusively happy. He was ecstatic
- 25:38Speaker 1: that he was able to go up. And he was like,
- 25:41Speaker 1: I wasn't even I wasn't even hungry. I was eating
- 25:44Speaker 1: those noodles just so I was waiting for someone else
- 25:47Speaker 1: to come by. So I had someone to climb the
- 25:49Speaker 1: mountain with that night. I was like, okay, yeah, great man,
- 25:52Speaker 1: So what's your name? And we started trading stories and
- 25:55Speaker 1: he was happy that I could speak some Chinese, and
- 25:57Speaker 1: I translated a bit for Josh, but mostly we just
- 26:00Speaker 1: climbed this mountain and I answered his questions do you
- 26:04Speaker 1: eat spicy food? I do what? And then it was
- 26:09Speaker 1: like maybe two miles later, we'll say and we're making
- 26:14Speaker 1: our way up the mountain, and there's still these pagodas.
- 26:17Speaker 1: Because we're not quite into the they're still fairly common.
- 26:20Speaker 1: But this is like the end of all the base
- 26:23Speaker 1: camp area, and there's another guy eating like noodles and
- 26:27Speaker 1: snacks and a soda, and we passed by and he
- 26:31Speaker 1: like looks up and gives me a look, and I
- 26:33Speaker 1: was like, it's gonna happen. He's gonna do the exact
- 26:35Speaker 1: same thing, and he did. He packed everything up ran
- 26:38Speaker 1: after us, and he was like, hey, group of friends,
- 26:42Speaker 1: do you want to all travel up the mountain together?
- 26:44Speaker 1: Perhaps it's kind of dark right now, a little bit scary.
- 26:49Speaker 1: And then the other Chinese guy was like, oh, I know,
- 26:51Speaker 1: that's why I'm with them. I didn't even know either,
- 26:53Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, man, that's fine, come join us.
- 26:56Speaker 1: It's totally cool. And so we all climbed up them
- 27:00Speaker 1: out and together and it was great. It was a
- 27:03Speaker 1: great hike up. There's like Buddhists palm, which when you're
- 27:08Speaker 1: halfway up, there's this valley, and on the other side
- 27:12Speaker 1: of the valley from the main trail is a huge,
- 27:16Speaker 1: like I don't even know how large. It was, maybe
- 27:19Speaker 1: thirty meters one hundred feet palm of a granite poking
- 27:25Speaker 1: out of the side of the mountain where no vegetation
- 27:27Speaker 1: grows on it because it's just rock face, but it's
- 27:30Speaker 1: in the shape of a palm, and it is like
- 27:35Speaker 1: a thumb and four fingers and just stamped right onto
- 27:38Speaker 1: the side of the mountain. That was definitely one of
- 27:40Speaker 1: the coolest things I saw on Huahan, and it's a
- 27:43Speaker 1: very blatant palm print. So we all saw it. It
- 27:45Speaker 1: was very cool. And then we went up and we
- 27:47Speaker 1: explored the plaza courtyards, which were really creepy because they
- 27:51Speaker 1: all still look like old imperial fortresses and bridges and gates,
- 27:56Speaker 1: and the fog is rolling around everywhere and now it's
- 27:59Speaker 1: pitch black, know, it's midnight or something. We were on
- 28:02Speaker 1: the mountain proper, and we just go from one courtyard
- 28:04Speaker 1: to the rest, get lost. Look at the bells and
- 28:06Speaker 1: lanterns and all the stuff they have. And some people
- 28:09Speaker 1: live in those places still just live it up on
- 28:12Speaker 1: top of the mountain, some of the vendors and some
- 28:14Speaker 1: of the caretakers of the mountain, and so you can
- 28:18Speaker 1: see people scarring back and forth with lanterns and these
- 28:20Speaker 1: ghost cities halfway up the mountain, ghost villages, and that
- 28:25Speaker 1: was also very cool. We got to the romantic part
- 28:28Speaker 1: of the bridge where if you're going with your girlfriend,
- 28:31Speaker 1: you bring a lock and put the lock on the
- 28:32Speaker 1: fence to you know, cement your love as permanent. And
- 28:37Speaker 1: I found one that was unlocked, so I took it
- 28:39Speaker 1: off and thought of my girlfriend and locked it again.
- 28:43Speaker 1: But maybe, you know, I was using an open lock,
- 28:46Speaker 1: someone else's lock, so maybe that's why it didn't work out.
- 28:48Speaker 1: And we eventually broke up a few times over a
- 28:51Speaker 1: couple of years. And so after the bridge, which was fun,
- 28:56Speaker 1: we all like laughed because we were four boys and
- 28:58Speaker 1: we're like, love is dumb. Then we what was the
- 29:04Speaker 1: next thing? You know what? We got to the top
- 29:11Speaker 1: of a peak and that was the real peak I
- 29:13Speaker 1: wanted to go to. There was like seven peaks, and
- 29:15Speaker 1: I was like, that's that's the real peak. Like I
- 29:18Speaker 1: fucking knew anything. And so we made it to the
- 29:21Speaker 1: top of that peak, and all four of us were like, wow,
- 29:23Speaker 1: we did it, because it was it was like five
- 29:26Speaker 1: hours to the top, six hours, I don't know. It
- 29:28Speaker 1: was a long hike to one of the main peak
- 29:31Speaker 1: of Hahan. And they were standing on the peaks and
- 29:34Speaker 1: I looked at my left and right and I can
- 29:35Speaker 1: see the other peaks in the distance, and I was like,
- 29:39Speaker 1: you want to just go to like that second peak,
- 29:42Speaker 1: and the other three guys were like yeah, I mean,
- 29:45Speaker 1: I guess it's still not we're not doing anything. Let's
- 29:48Speaker 1: go to the next one. I was like great, and
- 29:50Speaker 1: then we went to the next one, and then I
- 29:53Speaker 1: was like, you guys want to go to like the
- 29:55Speaker 1: third peak. And some of them had crazy bridges you
- 29:57Speaker 1: had to cross, and some of them had like wooden
- 30:00Speaker 1: scaffolding you had to step on and jump around or
- 30:03Speaker 1: maybe I just did that. And the sun was starting
- 30:06Speaker 1: to come up finally, and one of the it was
- 30:08Speaker 1: raining at that point, so there was like water running
- 30:11Speaker 1: down the mountain and the trails we were on, but
- 30:15Speaker 1: there was a chain link like hanging down from one
- 30:22Speaker 1: trail to the other and you could climb up it.
- 30:24Speaker 1: It was like twenty feet and I don't know if
- 30:26Speaker 1: I was a wasted or exhausted, but it was really
- 30:29Speaker 1: hard for me to climb this chain link. I went
- 30:31Speaker 1: first because I had invited Josh, and then I was
- 30:33Speaker 1: kind of the leader of that party. I was just
- 30:35Speaker 1: signing where we go, so I was like, yep, let's
- 30:38Speaker 1: let's do it. Let's just do it. It looks really dangerous
- 30:40Speaker 1: because there's water raining down the chain link and it
- 30:42Speaker 1: does look a little slippery, but you know, let's just
- 30:44Speaker 1: go out there. And I did. I got to the
- 30:46Speaker 1: top and my I was like twenty feet up and
- 30:49Speaker 1: my arms were shaking, my hands, and I didn't think
- 30:52Speaker 1: it was fear because I wasn't. I didn't feel, oh, no,
- 30:54Speaker 1: I'm afraid I'm gonna fall. I was just like, oh,
- 30:57Speaker 1: I think the fatigue and my muscles is just done.
- 31:01Speaker 1: I don't think I am adequately physically prepared for this task.
- 31:06Speaker 1: And then I just hung on because I feel like
- 31:08Speaker 1: if I took another one, i'd fall off, and then
- 31:10Speaker 1: I literally thought to myself, what are you just gonna die?
- 31:13Speaker 1: Like I was making fun of myself. And then I
- 31:15Speaker 1: was like, well no, and then I climbed up the
- 31:17Speaker 1: rest of the chain link to the next trail and
- 31:20Speaker 1: I leaned back over. I was like, guys, it's really
- 31:22Speaker 1: slippery and dangerous. Please be careful. And Joshua was like, yeah, okay,
- 31:25Speaker 1: and he just came up in like ten seconds. Was
- 31:27Speaker 1: totally fine. And then the other guys two guys did too,
- 31:30Speaker 1: and they were like, that was really hard. I was like, yeah,
- 31:33Speaker 1: I agree, but you know, I'm fine, nothing to worry about.
- 31:37Speaker 1: And that was actually really fun because we all climbed
- 31:39Speaker 1: up this crazy chain that you didn't need to. It
- 31:41Speaker 1: saved us like ten steps. But it was fun and
- 31:44Speaker 1: a little scary and just a good adventure. Okay, So
- 31:48Speaker 1: now we're up like five peaks at this point, and
- 31:50Speaker 1: I think there were a couple more peaks, and I
- 31:54Speaker 1: was like, josh you want to go this six peak?
- 31:56Speaker 1: And I must have. You know what, I probably was
- 31:59Speaker 1: drinking a bunch of going up, because there were some
- 32:01Speaker 1: twenty four hour places. I can't imagine I was not
- 32:04Speaker 1: drinking beer on top of that mountain. That's absurd for
- 32:07Speaker 1: me to think. When I would ride my bike to mountains,
- 32:11Speaker 1: I would carry packs of beer in my backpack. So anyway,
- 32:17Speaker 1: I was like, let's go to that, you know, half
- 32:19Speaker 1: a half a dozen peak over there, number six. And
- 32:24Speaker 1: the two guys were like, oh, you know, we've already
- 32:27Speaker 1: climbed like five peaks, and we keep saying yes, but
- 32:30Speaker 1: like the sun's up, so we're gonna go get our bus.
- 32:33Speaker 1: Our buses coming soon. So we got to like you know,
- 32:37Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, yeah, that's totally fine, Josh,
- 32:39Speaker 1: and he was like yeah, And I remember when we
- 32:43Speaker 1: were going on to this next peak, he was like,
- 32:45Speaker 1: you know, I noticed that you always say probably or
- 32:49Speaker 1: soon when you talk about when we're getting to the
- 32:52Speaker 1: next peak or when the next thing we're going to is.
- 32:55Speaker 1: You always say that's right up around here, it'll be
- 32:58Speaker 1: up there in about twenty minutes. But then we get
- 33:00Speaker 1: there in thirty minutes, and then you say there's like
- 33:02Speaker 1: four peaks, but I'm pretty sure this is the sixth
- 33:05Speaker 1: peak so far. I was like, yeah, it looks like
- 33:07Speaker 1: there's like seven peaks. There might be nine. I don't know.
- 33:08Speaker 1: There's a lot of peaks. He's like, I think that's
- 33:11Speaker 1: how you keep going. You have like this incremental you know,
- 33:14Speaker 1: you're never gonna quit because it's always there's one next thing.
- 33:18Speaker 1: And I was like, that's exactly how I talk, so
- 33:21Speaker 1: that I don't scare people who may not have the
- 33:24Speaker 1: physical stamma or maniacal focus on exertion that I do
- 33:32Speaker 1: prolonged exertion. And he's like, okay, okay, I got I
- 33:36Speaker 1: got it now. Just good to know that that whenever
- 33:38Speaker 1: you say we're gonna be there, it means we will
- 33:40Speaker 1: get there eventually. It might just not be imminent. And
- 33:47Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, exactly right, we will get there,
- 33:49Speaker 1: that's all I'm saying. I'm just saying in a way
- 33:51Speaker 1: that makes everyone feel comfortable. So we've been on the
- 33:54Speaker 1: mountain for twelve hours at this point, eleven hour or
- 33:57Speaker 1: something like that from when we started climbing, and uh,
- 34:01Speaker 1: I was like, you know, we never went to the
- 34:03Speaker 1: the Death Walk, you know, the cliff death the death Place,
- 34:08Speaker 1: and Josh just like what And I was like, there's
- 34:10Speaker 1: this place where people die all the time, like constantly.
- 34:13Speaker 1: We should check it out. And it's drizzling and he's
- 34:18Speaker 1: just climbed seven peaks. He's like, yeah, I mean we're there.
- 34:21Speaker 1: We should go, I guess, and he was game for it.
- 34:25Speaker 1: So we went, and because he is a good sport
- 34:28Speaker 1: and was a very good friend, and so we made
- 34:32Speaker 1: our way over to that, which was like back near
- 34:34Speaker 1: one of the other peaks, and I was like, oh,
- 34:36Speaker 1: we got to walk back to like the first peak now,
- 34:39Speaker 1: and it's like giant cliff, death plank Walk, dangerous, do
- 34:46Speaker 1: not enter, and anytime it is raining, do not go here.
- 34:51Speaker 1: And it was i'll say, heavily sprinkling at that point,
- 34:56Speaker 1: to the point that small rivulets of water were all around,
- 34:59Speaker 1: and there were barricades put up, like five sloppy barricades
- 35:06Speaker 1: stacked in front of each other blocking the entrance to
- 35:09Speaker 1: the death walk. And I was like, we should just
- 35:13Speaker 1: go anyway, right though, And he's like, well, what do
- 35:16Speaker 1: the signs say. I was like, well, they say don't
- 35:18Speaker 1: go if it's raining, and it's like raining all around us,
- 35:21Speaker 1: and then they say it's very dangerous and there are
- 35:24Speaker 1: no handholds or anything. And he was like, well, we
- 35:27Speaker 1: probably shouldn't. We probably shouldn't go on the death walk.
- 35:32Speaker 1: Then that people die on all the time, and I
- 35:35Speaker 1: was like, you know, I'll be right back, and I
- 35:38Speaker 1: vaulted the collection of barricades like they were a picket fence,
- 35:42Speaker 1: and I was about to steal an apple pie from
- 35:44Speaker 1: the sill and made my way to a foreboding looking
- 35:49Speaker 1: cave entrance that opened right next to it onto this
- 35:54Speaker 1: like manhole sized hole with a couple rebar rods stuck
- 35:59Speaker 1: into the stone of the mountain, and then there's a
- 36:02Speaker 1: hole going down. So I went down. I climbed down it,
- 36:06Speaker 1: and I was like, woah, these rebars are kind of
- 36:08Speaker 1: slippery with all this rain, and then that opens out
- 36:14Speaker 1: the mountain. As soon as you get to the bottom
- 36:17Speaker 1: of the slippery rebar vertical tunnel, you turn around from
- 36:23Speaker 1: the we'll call it a ladder, it is not, and
- 36:26Speaker 1: you're facing the open valley that's like a thousand feet
- 36:31Speaker 1: down or whatever. It's very far away, and there's a
- 36:35Speaker 1: little little little bridge like two two by fives, like tiny,
- 36:44Speaker 1: tiny little bridge, like I said, a foot across maybe,
- 36:48Speaker 1: And I was like, well, I should check if it's safe,
- 36:53Speaker 1: And so I went out and started like walking on
- 36:56Speaker 1: it and stood looked over the edge. I was like,
- 36:59Speaker 1: that is far and I looked at this. I was like,
- 37:01Speaker 1: there's no barrier holding you inside. And I hear Josh
- 37:06Speaker 1: climbing down behind me, and I start moving out, and
- 37:09Speaker 1: I was like, well, it's wide enough for like feet,
- 37:12Speaker 1: So I walk a couple steps, and it's slippery because
- 37:17Speaker 1: it's raining, and this is a tiny bridge. And I
- 37:21Speaker 1: wisely turned back and said, you know what, we could die.
- 37:23Speaker 1: We could easily die here. This is very dangerous. There's
- 37:27Speaker 1: nothing in the mountain wall, there's no barrier fence. This
- 37:30Speaker 1: is a tiny bridge, and we have to walk for
- 37:33Speaker 1: like hundreds of feet, like easily a couple hundred meters.
- 37:38Speaker 1: And Josh was like, yep, okay, and we went back
- 37:40Speaker 1: up the man hole and left. He did go out
- 37:44Speaker 1: and check it out, also a couple steps, just to see,
- 37:47Speaker 1: but it looked perilously foolish a path to take. So
- 37:53Speaker 1: we did not. We declined, and we went back and
- 37:56Speaker 1: we hopped back over those barriers, and boom, we climbed
- 38:01Speaker 1: every peak that was on my offline maps app. So
- 38:05Speaker 1: I was satisfied and Josh was like, thank God, and
- 38:08Speaker 1: we went down the mountain, got some breakfast beers and
- 38:13Speaker 1: Josh probably got breakfast, and then he was like, well,
- 38:18Speaker 1: I need a souvenir because that was an adventure. That
- 38:20Speaker 1: was a crazy adventure, and I need a souvenir. And
- 38:23Speaker 1: so we walked around and looked at all this stuff
- 38:25Speaker 1: and then there was a short sword and Josh was like, hmm,
- 38:30Speaker 1: that's it, like I want a short sword. And I
- 38:33Speaker 1: was like, oh okay, but you have to like get
- 38:36Speaker 1: on a plane to go back to America and he's like,
- 38:39Speaker 1: I can mail it whatever. Now, knives of any kind
- 38:43Speaker 1: are basically illegal in China, and they're super illegal on trains,
- 38:47Speaker 1: but I didn't think about that. So I haggled with
- 38:51Speaker 1: the lady and she was like, yeah, for sure, you
- 38:54Speaker 1: guys are America. That's cool. I don't know forty bucks
- 38:57Speaker 1: and I was like, definitely, definitely about like five dollars
- 39:01Speaker 1: and she was like, no way, I need like I
- 39:05Speaker 1: don't know, thirty dollars. And I was like, that's cool.
- 39:07Speaker 1: We can give you fifteen is fifteen dollars okay, that
- 39:12Speaker 1: seems more than fair for this, and she was like,
- 39:15Speaker 1: how about twenty. I was like seventeen. And we got
- 39:18Speaker 1: the knife and I was like, oh, you know, you
- 39:22Speaker 1: have to take this on the train and those are
- 39:24Speaker 1: expressly prohibited. And he's like, oh, well shit, because he
- 39:28Speaker 1: had just bought it, and so I thought and I
- 39:30Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I can probably just talk
- 39:32Speaker 1: to him. And so we took it to the conductor
- 39:36Speaker 1: and Josh was carrying basically nothing, but you could see
- 39:42Speaker 1: but he was like carrying a knife. I can't remember
- 39:45Speaker 1: if it was in his hand or if it was
- 39:46Speaker 1: sticking out of his tiny camel back whatever, but it
- 39:49Speaker 1: was very clear he was carrying a what is either
- 39:52Speaker 1: a very large knife or a slightly less than normal
- 39:56Speaker 1: sized sword. So as we're passing through the gate, their
- 40:00Speaker 1: security guards like, hey, hey, is that a large knife?
- 40:05Speaker 1: And I told him no, no, no, it's just a
- 40:08Speaker 1: souvenir from that old grandma up the place. And he
- 40:11Speaker 1: was like, well, you can't take any knives on the train,
- 40:13Speaker 1: and I was like, oh no, I get It's definitely
- 40:15Speaker 1: not a knife. It's like it doesn't even cut. It's
- 40:17Speaker 1: like a souvenir thing. And we had checked and it
- 40:19Speaker 1: was a very sharp sword, like yeah, it cuts, but
- 40:24Speaker 1: I was like, it doesn't even cut. She just told
- 40:26Speaker 1: me it's like like a souvenir old thing, you know,
- 40:29Speaker 1: it's just the old grandma sell it, which is like
- 40:31Speaker 1: the old grandma sell knickknacks on the bridge all the
- 40:33Speaker 1: time and stuff. And he was like, hm, really, and
- 40:38Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, she told me. I asked her,
- 40:40Speaker 1: and she was like, not a sword. What she had
- 40:43Speaker 1: told me was that it was a real sword and
- 40:45Speaker 1: it was very sharp, which she was right about. But
- 40:48Speaker 1: I told the security guard, yes, she assured us that
- 40:51Speaker 1: it's safe. It's even safe for the train, she said,
- 40:53Speaker 1: because it doesn't have a blade, and it's in its
- 40:56Speaker 1: scabbard at this point, so he can't look directly at
- 40:58Speaker 1: the blade, which really would have given it a way
- 41:00Speaker 1: because it was razor sharp. And and he's like, well, okay,
- 41:06Speaker 1: just let us throw onto the train with a sword.
- 41:10Speaker 1: And Josh took that sword home. He mailed it apparently
- 41:16Speaker 1: to his house. I don't know if he still has it.
- 41:18Speaker 1: I should check. He did have it for years, and
- 41:21Speaker 1: I was very happy when I accidentally discovered that I
- 41:25Speaker 1: was talking to him lair. I was like, do you
- 41:27Speaker 1: remember that mountain thing weak line for a while years
- 41:30Speaker 1: later and he was like, oh, yes, I still have
- 41:32Speaker 1: the sword, like I still have the sword displayed in
- 41:36Speaker 1: my home, and that was pretty cool. To find out.
- 41:39Speaker 1: You know, I never know how long these things are
- 41:41Speaker 1: gonna go. I have like five points written on my
- 41:45Speaker 1: outline that I was like, oh, I should probably mention
- 41:47Speaker 1: this stuff. And now it's been almost forty five minutes,
- 41:50Speaker 1: whereas all right down like a whole page and I'm
- 41:52Speaker 1: done in fifteen Fascinating to hear behind the scenes stories,
- 41:56Speaker 1: isn't it. I wish I had a better one. Sorry,
- 41:58Speaker 1: not deleting this. Got to get those minutes up, you
- 42:01Speaker 1: know what I mean. Okay, So my last story is
- 42:04Speaker 1: kind of a cool down story. I started climbing mountains,
- 42:09Speaker 1: not because of the very good reasons that they were
- 42:11Speaker 1: in Crouching Tiger and Hit and Dragon like I didn't know,
- 42:13Speaker 1: but still climb, but that I wanted some alone time.
- 42:19Speaker 1: I lived when I started living in China in a
- 42:22Speaker 1: very small town where I was the second white person
- 42:25Speaker 1: anyone had ever seen. And I know that because everyone
- 42:28Speaker 1: in the village told me that, and the first person
- 42:30Speaker 1: was the guy who owned the school who hired me,
- 42:32Speaker 1: who already lived there, and a ten minute bike ride
- 42:36Speaker 1: outside like I went to the next village over basically,
- 42:40Speaker 1: which is like ninety minutes outside of Beijing by bicycle.
- 42:43Speaker 1: It's close to a populated center, I mean, and everyone
- 42:46Speaker 1: there was like, whoa, there's a white person here. And
- 42:49Speaker 1: that village was like, you're the first white person we've
- 42:52Speaker 1: ever seen, because the guy I knew apparently never went
- 42:55Speaker 1: to any of the other villages. So that was are
- 43:00Speaker 1: in and of itself. But because of that, I got
- 43:03Speaker 1: a lot of attention, and every now and then I'd
- 43:07Speaker 1: be like, boy, everyone staring at me every single time
- 43:11Speaker 1: I leave my house and not saying anything, but just
- 43:15Speaker 1: staring is a lot of attent. Too much attention for
- 43:19Speaker 1: me after months, So I was like, how can I
- 43:24Speaker 1: like kind of get away from the pack and you know,
- 43:26Speaker 1: kind of get all have some me time, get some
- 43:30Speaker 1: alone time again, because I do a lot of solitary activities.
- 43:35Speaker 1: And then I looked around and I saw a mountain
- 43:37Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, right, I live next to
- 43:39Speaker 1: a tiny mountain range. Maybe I should see how far
- 43:44Speaker 1: away they are. And then I just started walking toward
- 43:46Speaker 1: one of the mountains and then I was, all of
- 43:49Speaker 1: a sudden halfway to the mountain and it was much bigger,
- 43:51Speaker 1: and I kept walking and then there was a path
- 43:53Speaker 1: leading up into the mountain and it took like an
- 43:56Speaker 1: hour to walk before I got to there, but I
- 43:58Speaker 1: was like, okay, I can just talk to mountains, and
- 44:02Speaker 1: that became regular, Like once every other day, I would
- 44:06Speaker 1: probably go ride my bike or just walk to the
- 44:10Speaker 1: mountain and climb up the mountain, which took forty five
- 44:13Speaker 1: minutes we'll say, to the top because they were tiny,
- 44:15Speaker 1: and then just walk along for hours. And I was
- 44:20Speaker 1: enjoying just walking being by myself. But after a while
- 44:23Speaker 1: I was like, I should do something, and that is
- 44:25Speaker 1: how I started listening to audio books, which I had
- 44:28Speaker 1: never listened to before, and I listened to all the
- 44:33Speaker 1: Game of Thrones that were written at the time. Did
- 44:35Speaker 1: not find out that that series was not finished until
- 44:38Speaker 1: I got to the fifth book or whatever it was.
- 44:41Speaker 1: This was before the TV show even came out, but
- 44:44Speaker 1: everyone was like, this is the best series. You should
- 44:47Speaker 1: totally read it. And I was like, wow, it is good.
- 44:49Speaker 1: This will be such a good story. And then it
- 44:50Speaker 1: just ended and he was like, it'll be out next
- 44:53Speaker 1: year and now it's been fifteen years, and he was lying.
- 44:56Speaker 1: And then I just kept going out onto the mountains
- 44:59Speaker 1: and listening to audio books. You're listening to podcasts. I
- 45:01Speaker 1: also really got into podcasts while I was in China
- 45:05Speaker 1: and walking these mountains, and I still do that now,
- 45:10Speaker 1: listen to something and walk around for hours. That's how
- 45:13Speaker 1: I get a lot of my exercise, and that became
- 45:16Speaker 1: a passion. That's how I started climbing mountains. And then
- 45:18Speaker 1: I was like, well, even these dinky mountains right next
- 45:21Speaker 1: to the city are really cool. What did the other
- 45:23Speaker 1: mountains look like? And that's how I started going to
- 45:26Speaker 1: all the other mountains, including random mountains I would choose
- 45:31Speaker 1: on my offline map. There was just like a triangle
- 45:34Speaker 1: and that meant that a peak was there, So I
- 45:36Speaker 1: would check the elevation of a random peak. Like if
- 45:40Speaker 1: I was working a lot at the time, or I
- 45:42Speaker 1: just didn't have the time to go for a full trip,
- 45:45Speaker 1: I would get on my bike and I would ride
- 45:46Speaker 1: my bike for like four or six hours in a
- 45:49Speaker 1: direction toward a peak that I saw on my map
- 45:54Speaker 1: and be like, when I climb that one, it's like,
- 45:56Speaker 1: you know, five thousand feet, and I'll do that, and
- 46:00Speaker 1: I just it was really cool. I would go through
- 46:02Speaker 1: all these new towns that I had never seen before,
- 46:05Speaker 1: listen to podcasts or audio books on the way there.
- 46:09Speaker 1: I had a hammock in my backpack if I just
- 46:11Speaker 1: in case I stayed overnight, because you know, sometimes I'm
- 46:14Speaker 1: riding my bike really far, my sleeping bag in case
- 46:18Speaker 1: it got cold. If it was cold, I didn't bring it.
- 46:20Speaker 1: If it wasn't. Yeah, I had a few essentials. I
- 46:23Speaker 1: would grab like a beer every hour and have a
- 46:26Speaker 1: beer break and then keep riding wherever I was gone.
- 46:29Speaker 1: And that was so much fun, going to new places
- 46:32Speaker 1: where I knew nothing, and everybody was like, what the
- 46:36Speaker 1: heck is this foreign are doing here? This is weird.
- 46:41Speaker 1: He shouldn't be here. And I just saw things. I
- 46:45Speaker 1: just you I they're not in a book. You know.
- 46:49Speaker 1: There's this Buddha that's not in a book anywhere, but
- 46:51Speaker 1: it's sitting there in the mountain. And there's a mountain
- 46:54Speaker 1: that's not in any of the books that no one
- 46:56Speaker 1: ever wrote about, but it has a whole path and
- 46:59Speaker 1: you can climb it, and there's a pagoda, and there's
- 47:01Speaker 1: a beautiful like garden and there's jade sculptures, and like
- 47:05Speaker 1: it's fascinating just going to random places and finding out
- 47:08Speaker 1: what there is. So I loved adventuring on my bike,
- 47:11Speaker 1: going to random mountains, and I guess we'll actually finish
- 47:15Speaker 1: out with this story, which is fitting. It's a night climb.
- 47:19Speaker 1: So I rode my bike for a few hours to
- 47:23Speaker 1: one of the triangles on my map, and it was
- 47:26Speaker 1: always fun getting there because I don't even know how
- 47:27Speaker 1: to get there. Sometimes the roads would be closed, but
- 47:30Speaker 1: there's you know, food, everything's great. So I rode there
- 47:35Speaker 1: and I got there and it was like five pm.
- 47:38Speaker 1: The sun was starting to set, and there's the ticket
- 47:40Speaker 1: office and I was like, hello, one ticket. He was like, ah, sorry,
- 47:44Speaker 1: we just closed. It's like five point fifteen. Yeah, we
- 47:47Speaker 1: just closed the gates. I'm sorry. And I was like, oh,
- 47:50Speaker 1: that's okay. Can you just sell me a ticket and
- 47:52Speaker 1: then just let me go through and I'll come back
- 47:54Speaker 1: down when I'm done. He's like, I want to, And
- 47:59Speaker 1: the thing is, what I asked for almost always gets
- 48:02Speaker 1: agreed to, at least in those days. It seems like
- 48:06Speaker 1: it still does outside of Beijing. Inside of Beijing kind
- 48:09Speaker 1: of a problem with she these days. But that being said,
- 48:12Speaker 1: less than one year ago, I climbed a mountain that
- 48:14Speaker 1: you aren't supposed to climb, and I went into a
- 48:17Speaker 1: forbidden part of it, and the security guards were very
- 48:19Speaker 1: nice and just explained to me after They were like,
- 48:22Speaker 1: what are you doing on the forbidden mountain? And they
- 48:25Speaker 1: let me go back down. I explained that I was
- 48:27Speaker 1: just hiking the mountain and I didn't know it was forbidden,
- 48:30Speaker 1: which I actually didn't know. I couldn't climb in that
- 48:32Speaker 1: particular path, and they were fine about it. But in
- 48:36Speaker 1: Beijing in particular, it did seem more laid back before.
- 48:40Speaker 1: In those days, you were like, do you think I
- 48:43Speaker 1: can just do it anyway? Though, and very often the
- 48:47Speaker 1: answer from whoever was in charge was like, eh, yeah, okay, whatever.
- 48:52Speaker 1: But this guy was like, no, I'm sorry, it's against
- 48:55Speaker 1: the rules. I can't do it. You can't climb the
- 48:57Speaker 1: mountain because it's night. It's dangerous, you know. Sorry. And
- 49:01Speaker 1: I was like, oh, all right, that's okay, And so
- 49:05Speaker 1: I left and I walked into the tree line across
- 49:09Speaker 1: the street. I rowed my bike into the tree line
- 49:11Speaker 1: across the street, pushed it in, set up my hammock,
- 49:16Speaker 1: took out a beer, watched a TV show or read
- 49:19Speaker 1: a book or something on I think I was reading
- 49:20Speaker 1: a book actually on my phone, drank a beer and
- 49:24Speaker 1: ate snacks while I waited for him to leave, and
- 49:26Speaker 1: he packed up his office, he locked it, he closed
- 49:29Speaker 1: the gate, locked that left and I waited like twenty
- 49:33Speaker 1: more minutes, let the light get a little little bit darker,
- 49:37Speaker 1: and then I walked out of the woods with just
- 49:40Speaker 1: my backpack on, a couple of beers, a couple of snacks,
- 49:43Speaker 1: and I climbed the I don't know, like ten foot fence.
- 49:47Speaker 1: It wasn't super high and it was like a grated
- 49:50Speaker 1: iron thing. So I just climbed up it, jumped over
- 49:53Speaker 1: the gate and just walked straight up and climbed that
- 49:56Speaker 1: mountain in the dark. Came down six hours late a
- 50:00Speaker 1: while later, and it was just this great fun adventure
- 50:06Speaker 1: climbing a mountain at night. It was there wasn't anything
- 50:10Speaker 1: particularly remarkable other than just I found a new adventure.
- 50:15Speaker 1: I got to climb the mountain. It's a Chinese mount
- 50:18Speaker 1: so there's like pats and stairs, and it was a
- 50:20Speaker 1: little dangerous in the pitch black, but not really dangerous.
- 50:23Speaker 1: And I had my phone and I saw these fountains
- 50:25Speaker 1: and statues, and it's night and there's clouds and there's ghosts.
- 50:30Speaker 1: You know. The feeling of atmospheric spirit is just hanging
- 50:35Speaker 1: in the air in the in the witching hour air,
- 50:39Speaker 1: there was actually some cool mist and fog rolling around,
- 50:43Speaker 1: and it was just this beautiful, serene, especially serene experience
- 50:49Speaker 1: with clean air because I had, you know, three hours
- 50:51Speaker 1: outside of Beijing, and it felt like no one ever
- 50:55Speaker 1: climbed this place and it was just very cool. So
- 50:58Speaker 1: I got to the top, I hung out, surprise, surprise,
- 51:01Speaker 1: I had a beer, and then I climbed my way
- 51:04Speaker 1: back down, went down a different path than it took
- 51:06Speaker 1: on the way up, because there was a different path
- 51:09Speaker 1: and it wasn't even on the it wasn't on my
- 51:11Speaker 1: offline map or anything, but it just there were steps
- 51:15Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, it probably goes down to
- 51:16Speaker 1: the bottom, and it did. I just followed it all
- 51:18Speaker 1: the way to the bottom, a couple different stairways, and
- 51:21Speaker 1: I got there, climbed back over the fence, went back
- 51:25Speaker 1: into the forest, collected my stof actually, you know, and
- 51:27Speaker 1: I napped for like a couple hours, and then I
- 51:30Speaker 1: biked back at four in the morning, five in the
- 51:32Speaker 1: morning or something, and it was great. And I had
- 51:36Speaker 1: that kind of adventure climbing random mountains dozens of times
- 51:41Speaker 1: because how fun is it to climb a mountain by
- 51:44Speaker 1: yourself in the serene quiet of just natural sounds, but
- 51:50Speaker 1: you have a walkway up the mountain, you have some
- 51:52Speaker 1: cool music to listen to or whatever, and you're just
- 51:57Speaker 1: vibing with nature and the ground at rock face or whatever.
- 52:01Speaker 1: It was so cool, and so I did that all
- 52:04Speaker 1: the time. Every weekend, I would ride out to a
- 52:07Speaker 1: another random triangle and I always put a check mark
- 52:09Speaker 1: on the once I did, and I had dozens of those,
- 52:12Speaker 1: but it was just for fun. I didn't even learn
- 52:15Speaker 1: the names of most of the mountains that is night climb.
- 52:19Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm just sharing these stories. I hope you
- 52:25Speaker 1: liked these stories. I really like talking about them again,
- 52:29Speaker 1: reliving these experiences. So I'll see you on the next one.
- 52:35Speaker 1: You know what, I just realized that I've only talked
- 52:37Speaker 1: about the Chinese mountains, and I've been in like thirty countries.
- 52:41Speaker 1: I definitely have more mountain stories. Okay, I will talk
- 52:47Speaker 1: about those mountain stories on the next one. Actually, you know,
- 52:51Speaker 1: that'll just be the next one, you know what, But
- 52:53Speaker 1: on this one, I just thought of a very nice
- 52:56Speaker 1: memory I had, So I'm going to tell you one
- 53:00Speaker 1: final story with a bit of the bubbly in it
- 53:04Speaker 1: that has to do with the same mountain I encountered.
- 53:08Speaker 1: The aggressive monk was a bottle of champagne. It was
- 53:15Speaker 1: one of my first dates after getting serious with my
- 53:21Speaker 1: girlfriend at the time, and we just felt very comfortable
- 53:26Speaker 1: as a couple, and so we were going to hike
- 53:28Speaker 1: a mountain near her hometown called Tai Shan, and I
- 53:35Speaker 1: wanted to make it special, so I brought like a
- 53:40Speaker 1: bunch of different kinds of snacks in my backpack, just
- 53:43Speaker 1: a normal sized backpack and a large bottle of champagne
- 53:48Speaker 1: that didn't even fit in the backpack. It was actually
- 53:51Speaker 1: a day pack. It wasn't even a backpack. So there
- 53:54Speaker 1: was a huge bottle of champagne, like six different snacks
- 54:00Speaker 1: than my metal water bottle. And I was very careful
- 54:04Speaker 1: to separate my metal water bottle from the champagne bottle
- 54:08Speaker 1: so she didn't hear it clinking with like a package
- 54:11Speaker 1: of beef jerk or something, I can't remember what it was.
- 54:14Speaker 1: And this was like a three hour climb, and I
- 54:18Speaker 1: didn't even want to open my bag to get my
- 54:21Speaker 1: water bottle whenever we took breaks, because I was afraid
- 54:24Speaker 1: she would see the champagne bottle and I would spoil
- 54:27Speaker 1: the surprise. I had plan, but it was just innocuous
- 54:32Speaker 1: enough that she didn't notice this giant bottle sticking out
- 54:36Speaker 1: of there. And when she heard the wine sloshing, you know,
- 54:39Speaker 1: it sounds like a water bottle. Yeah. So that was
- 54:46Speaker 1: every twenty minutes thirty minutes because I climbed mountains a lot,
- 54:50Speaker 1: and she had never climbed a mountain before, so we
- 54:53Speaker 1: had to stop very often, and she would take out
- 54:56Speaker 1: water and we'd sit and talk for a few minutes
- 54:58Speaker 1: and then keep walking for another twenty or thirty minutes
- 55:00Speaker 1: and then stop. So in the ten breaks that it
- 55:05Speaker 1: took to climb this mountain, which was seventeen hundred meters
- 55:09Speaker 1: like a little over five thousand feet, I don't think
- 55:14Speaker 1: I drank water. I might have done it when she
- 55:17Speaker 1: was talking to the monk or there was there might
- 55:19Speaker 1: there must have been some point. But it took, yeah,
- 55:22Speaker 1: three and a half hours something, a very long time
- 55:24Speaker 1: to get to the top. And I was always so
- 55:28Speaker 1: worried that like something was gonna clink in the bag
- 55:31Speaker 1: or she would notice. And she even asked me once,
- 55:33Speaker 1: she was like, why is your bag so full? You
- 55:35Speaker 1: usually don't bring anything, and I just told her something
- 55:38Speaker 1: like I forgot to take my work clothes out of
- 55:39Speaker 1: there or something like that, so it's really full, but
- 55:42Speaker 1: it just has my water bottle. And she was like
- 55:45Speaker 1: At other times she would ask me, aren't you thirsty.
- 55:47Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, no, I'm fine, I'm fine.
- 55:50Speaker 1: And we made our way up the mouth. We met
- 55:52Speaker 1: the aggressive monk and she was like, you should have
- 55:56Speaker 1: just let him say Chinese people are stronger, and I
- 56:00Speaker 1: was like, yeah, but I'm not enlightened yet. And then
- 56:05Speaker 1: I mean three and a half hours later. It was
- 56:08Speaker 1: a long track and it's very steep at parts, and
- 56:12Speaker 1: we made it to the summit and I was like,
- 56:14Speaker 1: oh my god, we're here. We're here, and I asked
- 56:20Speaker 1: where we should sit, and we chose a little spot
- 56:24Speaker 1: alongside the path, and she went off to go throw
- 56:27Speaker 1: away some of her trash because she had snacks and
- 56:30Speaker 1: her water bottle too. I think she was going to
- 56:32Speaker 1: go buy another bottle of water from one of the
- 56:34Speaker 1: vendors at the top also, and I was like, perfect,
- 56:38Speaker 1: And as soon as she walked away, I zipped over
- 56:41Speaker 1: my bag and pulled out the thing of champagne and
- 56:44Speaker 1: pulled out these two glasses. I think I brought two
- 56:49Speaker 1: plastic glasses or two plastic cups as well, and I
- 56:53Speaker 1: laid out like beef jerky and a small piece of
- 56:56Speaker 1: cake that I had bought for her, and all of
- 56:58Speaker 1: these like snacks, like five or six snacks. And when
- 57:02Speaker 1: she came back, the look on her face, the smile
- 57:05Speaker 1: that lit up her face was exactly what I had
- 57:10Speaker 1: been hoping for and why I had tried so hard
- 57:14Speaker 1: to make this a surprise, because now she had completed
- 57:18Speaker 1: her first hike, her first full mountain hike, like a
- 57:22Speaker 1: real one. Even though there are stairs up the mountains,
- 57:25Speaker 1: it's not easy to continuously climb a mountain for three
- 57:28Speaker 1: and a half hours. And we poured out the wine.
- 57:35Speaker 1: Oh you know what, we didn't have cups, and I
- 57:40Speaker 1: realized I didn't bring cups. I just remembered this. What
- 57:44Speaker 1: I did instead was I took two empty water bottles
- 57:48Speaker 1: that we had, and I had my knife with me,
- 57:51Speaker 1: and I cut off the top half of them so
- 57:53Speaker 1: that we just had the bottom half of the plastic bottles.
- 57:56Speaker 1: And those were how were plastic cups, and those small
- 58:00Speaker 1: plastic cups that she appreciated because she couldn't find any
- 58:03Speaker 1: cups after she realized we needed some. We're just this
- 58:06Speaker 1: nice little detail in a story from a newly committed
- 58:12Speaker 1: relationship where people are comfortable with each other and realize
- 58:15Speaker 1: that we don't care about the cups, like we're having
- 58:18Speaker 1: an experience on top of a mountain. And I popped
- 58:21Speaker 1: the bottle of champagne, and she gave a cute, you know,
- 58:24Speaker 1: jolt of surprise when the when it popped off. It
- 58:27Speaker 1: might have been her first champagne or like her second.
- 58:30Speaker 1: I know it was right in the beginning because she
- 58:33Speaker 1: had never had champagne before, but we had a couple
- 58:36Speaker 1: times because she had graduated in medical school or something
- 58:40Speaker 1: something big happened for her, she passed a test maybe
- 58:42Speaker 1: I can't remember. And I poured the champagne for her
- 58:48Speaker 1: and we toasted, And then after the moment was that,
- 58:52Speaker 1: I was like, ah, and I felt like my whole
- 58:54Speaker 1: body relaxed in relief, like I didn't have to keep
- 58:56Speaker 1: up the charade of oh, yes, I just have a
- 58:59Speaker 1: super crazy stuffed backpack of clothes and normal things, normal
- 59:05Speaker 1: things that don't clink around. But she was so happy,
- 59:09Speaker 1: and we talked on the top of the mountain and
- 59:14Speaker 1: enjoyed our bottle of wine, and she could drink. She
- 59:19Speaker 1: didn't drink a crazy amount, but it was nice. Whenever
- 59:21Speaker 1: we went to dinner, she would have a little to drink,
- 59:23Speaker 1: which is very very rare in China. In China, if
- 59:27Speaker 1: they drink half a bottle of beer, they are asleep,
- 59:31Speaker 1: snoring on the table or puking. So she could hold
- 59:35Speaker 1: her own. We had a few glasses of wine and
- 59:37Speaker 1: then finished up our food, and we just kind of
- 59:40Speaker 1: hung out on the top and looked out at the
- 59:43Speaker 1: nice view, and then made our way back down and
- 59:48Speaker 1: went back to Beijing. I guess I don't really remember,
- 59:52Speaker 1: but yeah, that is another very nice memory of my
- 59:59Speaker 1: time on Chinese mountains. I hold it very dear and
- 1:00:03Speaker 1: very clearly. I believe that particular adventure was on Taishan,
- 1:00:07Speaker 1: which is a cool mountain you should go climb. Yeah,
- 1:00:11Speaker 1: if you want to talk to me, I am at
- 1:00:12Speaker 1: a bit of a rambler Gmail dot com. I will
- 1:00:14Speaker 1: get back to you if I am at all able.
- 1:00:17Speaker 1: I definitely read all the messages. Thank you so much
- 1:00:20Speaker 1: for listening, and I'll catch you on the next one.