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The Late Debate | 22 January · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Wait Wait, welcome the wait to play. Well, good evening
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  Speaker 1: and thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 2: I'm James Macpherson with Caleb bond and freyer Leitch coming
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  Speaker 2: up tonight. Outrage in Queensland as a private school reminds
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  Speaker 2: parents boys are band from returning to school with a mullet.
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  Speaker 2: I dream of being able to grow a mullet. We'll
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  Speaker 2: talk about that soon. As the coalition implodes, one Nation
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  Speaker 2: announced plans to run more than one hundred candidates in
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  Speaker 2: the Victorian state election, and the Fraser Coast mayor says
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  Speaker 2: children should not be bought to Fraser Island.
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  Speaker 1: The dingoes make it too dangerous.
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  Speaker 2: Now, of course he could always cull the dingoes rather
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  Speaker 2: than child visitors. We'll talk about that one in a moment,
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  Speaker 2: but first. The Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi has apologized to
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  Speaker 2: Jewish Australians for the Bondai massacre. Here's some of what
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  Speaker 2: he had to say earlier this evening, speaking to a
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  Speaker 2: packed Sydney opera house. On this day of morning for
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  Speaker 2: those who lost their lives on December fourteenth.
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  Speaker 3: We are gathered here tonight because on the fourteenth of
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  Speaker 3: December everything changed, and for that I am sorry. We
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  Speaker 3: cherished the promise, We cherish the promise of Australia that
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  Speaker 3: this country is a safe harbor, but sadly that promise
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  Speaker 3: was broken.
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  Speaker 2: So I guess we need to start with the question,
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  Speaker 2: is that the sorry that so many people in Australia
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  Speaker 2: have been asking for and looking for was that it.
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  Speaker 4: I was probably as close to it as it gets.
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  Speaker 4: I have to say, I've not seen the Prime ministers
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  Speaker 4: speak better than I saw him speak tonight. He at
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  Speaker 4: least gave the impression that he was speaking from the heart,
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  Speaker 4: and he got a pretty good reception from those in attendance.
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  Speaker 4: It has to be said, now you could make an
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  Speaker 4: argument that was extremely gracious on the basis of what
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  Speaker 4: they have been put through, but they treated him with
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  Speaker 4: extreme kindness and he spoke exceedingly well. I have to say.
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  Speaker 4: The only thing I could pick up on, and you
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  Speaker 4: know it's a bit semantics, that he said, you know,
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  Speaker 4: we couldn't protect you, we couldn't stop it. You know,
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  Speaker 4: you could have just outright said I'm sorry we didn't,
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  Speaker 4: as opposed to couldn't. But I am getting into the
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  Speaker 4: weeds there. But I have to say, in terms of
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  Speaker 4: a speech that might redeem him to some degree. I
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  Speaker 4: thought he got pretty close to the mark there.
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  Speaker 5: What do you think, Well, look, I think it doesn't
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  Speaker 5: undo the month of pain. I also wonder why you
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  Speaker 5: apologizing now? How is it so hard to utter those words?
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  Speaker 5: Why wasn't that the first thing you did after BONDI
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  Speaker 5: And you know we always talk about on this show
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  Speaker 5: Albanize is very good at playing politics, and he didn't
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  Speaker 5: apologize when the eyes of the nation were on him.
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  Speaker 5: He waited till the heat had gone, and now he's apologizing.
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  Speaker 5: So look, tonight's not about politics. And I think he
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  Speaker 5: did get a very gracious reception in that room from
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  Speaker 5: a lot of families who I'm sure are still furious,
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  Speaker 5: still deeply hurt, still feeling very betrayed, but they did
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  Speaker 5: the right thing in letting him have his say apologize.
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  Speaker 5: He did do an objectively good speech, But will this
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  Speaker 5: undo his abject failure of leadership?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely not, Okay, So that's an interesting way to segue
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  Speaker 2: to our colleague, Sharing Markson, who did a brilliant job
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  Speaker 2: I must say, hosting the event tonight. Immediately Anthony Albaneze
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  Speaker 2: finished his speech, his Sharry Markson's response.
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  Speaker 6: Prime Minister, your acknowledgment just now that the community was
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  Speaker 6: let down is a crucial step, and your apology night
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  Speaker 6: was important to hear and it goes a long way.
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  Speaker 6: We thank you for that, and you are right to
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  Speaker 6: say that our hearts were shattered that terrible evening and
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  Speaker 6: over the past two years.
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  Speaker 2: I think Charry's response contained two things which are really
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  Speaker 2: important for our country right now. You've got to have charity,
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  Speaker 2: and I thought the opera house crowd were incredibly charitable
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  Speaker 2: towards the PM because there is a lot of anger.
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  Speaker 2: He's badly let down the Jewish community. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: there's any doubt about that, and yet they applauded his introduction.
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  Speaker 2: They applauded him a number of times through the speech.
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  Speaker 2: I thought there was charity, but you can't just have
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  Speaker 2: charity because that just ends up in mushy sentimentality. It
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  Speaker 2: ends up being a bit fake. You've got to have
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  Speaker 2: clarity as well. And of course you can't just have
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  Speaker 2: clarity because clarity without charity, you just get harshness and judgmentalism.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought Chari pretty much perfectly incaptured charity and clarity.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Prime Minister. That was very well said. And
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  Speaker 2: we appreciate it. That was charitable. The clarity was and
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  Speaker 2: you're right, our hearts are broken and the fact that
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  Speaker 2: you apologize doesn't change the fact that there is still
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  Speaker 2: much work to be done and there must be accountability.
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  Speaker 2: I thought she encapsulated those two things, charity and clarity
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  Speaker 2: pretty well.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure there are people in the room who still
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  Speaker 4: feel absolutely filthy about the treatment they've received, and they're right,
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  Speaker 4: and the broader communities has received, you community has received
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  Speaker 4: over the last two years. And you know, it's great
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  Speaker 4: to see the Prime Minister say what he has said tonight,
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  Speaker 4: but you've then got to take words and put them
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  Speaker 4: into action, right, Like he said, the stuff that we've
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  Speaker 4: kind of wanted to hear for a long time, and
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  Speaker 4: it's great to hear him saying it because that is
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  Speaker 4: the sort of clarity in what he has said that
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  Speaker 4: we expect of the Prime Minister and have hoped of
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  Speaker 4: the Prime Minister for a long time. So I'm glad
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  Speaker 4: to see that finally, and I hope that can then
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  Speaker 4: turn into action that starts to turn around the culture
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  Speaker 4: that then eventually led to what happened on December fourteen,
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  Speaker 4: which is what we were commemorating this evening.
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  Speaker 5: It is interesting, I think in his speech, probably for
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  Speaker 5: the first time, it actually sounded like he believed what
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  Speaker 5: he was saying till this point, even after Bondi in
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  Speaker 5: a lot of the press conferences, you just got this
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  Speaker 5: sense that he was reading from talking points. His advisors
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  Speaker 5: had told him what to say, how to say it,
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  Speaker 5: how to walk that line between between accepting his government
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  Speaker 5: has failed but also not taking accountability. But finally tonight
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  Speaker 5: it did feel like, Okay, you actually are starting to
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  Speaker 5: understand what has happened here and what the Jewish community
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  Speaker 5: has been going through for two years.
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  Speaker 7: And it's interesting.
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  Speaker 5: I'm out talking to average Aussies all the time and
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  Speaker 5: I had someone come after me and said they're not Jewish,
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  Speaker 5: and they said, I didn't actually understand anti Semitism until Bondi,
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  Speaker 5: and I think that's a lot of Australians. We've been
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  Speaker 5: talking about it, but if you're not tapped into the
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  Speaker 5: news cycle, a lot of people genuinely didn't believe it
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  Speaker 5: was that bad, or that Australia could get this bad.
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  Speaker 5: I think this has been a wake up call and
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  Speaker 5: if you can there's no way you could sit in
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  Speaker 5: that room with survivors of the massacre and not actually
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  Speaker 5: feel the depth of what has happened in our country.
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  Speaker 2: Well, if Anthony Alberinezi gave a good speech and was
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  Speaker 2: given a charitable response Chris Mins, he knocked it out
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  Speaker 2: of the park.
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  Speaker 8: We must unabashedly take pride in the parts of Australian
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  Speaker 8: life that are intrinsically part of our character and our
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  Speaker 8: country democracy, freedom, respect and equality, and should someone refuse
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  Speaker 8: these basic and non negotiable aspects of our country, we
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  Speaker 8: have to have the confidence to say that Australia is
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  Speaker 8: just not the country for you.
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  Speaker 2: I must say I think that was the biggest and
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  Speaker 2: most hearty applause of the entire night, and I reckon
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  Speaker 2: every Australian who heard that would have said too right, absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, most certainly, you know, I have to say across
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  Speaker 4: the board it was a pretty good showing from everyone
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  Speaker 4: from political leaders to the fantastic montages that were put
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  Speaker 4: together with the families of victims speaking about their experiences
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  Speaker 4: and their family members. It was a really well done
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  Speaker 4: event and kudos to everyone who was involved with it
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  Speaker 4: and the treatment that they gave to the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 4: and Chris Mins. Especially you know, they didn't have to
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  Speaker 4: do that in light of what has happened, and they did.
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  Speaker 4: I think it was exceedingly gracious and special all round.
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  Speaker 4: While we're talking about people who don't belong in this country,
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  Speaker 4: may I nominate those who decided they would run riot
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  Speaker 4: in Melbourne overnart in Flagstaff Gardens and target two colonial monuments.
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  Speaker 4: One of them is the Pioneer Monument which you can
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  Speaker 4: see there, which was knocked over toppled. It had scrawled
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  Speaker 4: on it in spray paint the red triangle which has
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  Speaker 4: been a symbol of the Palestinian movement. They also wrote
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  Speaker 4: on it land back, the colony will fall and death
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  Speaker 4: to Australia. They also went after the Separation Monument which
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  Speaker 4: they vandalized, which was put up to commemorate the separation
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  Speaker 4: of New South Wales and Victoria. Now, of course there
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  Speaker 4: are two elements to this. One is that they've gone
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  Speaker 4: and put a symbol of Hamas on there on the
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  Speaker 4: day the national day of mourning for the victims of
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  Speaker 4: the Bond Day massacre and also Australia Day is on Monday.
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  Speaker 4: So they've gone for everything they possibly can in one
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  Speaker 4: shot here. Now, look, you know, in all likelihood these
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  Speaker 4: people probably are citizens of this country. Therefore you can't
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  Speaker 4: deport them. But this stuff, as far as I'm concerned,
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  Speaker 4: and I've said it before, is as close to trees
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  Speaker 4: and as you can probably get. Because you are attacking
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  Speaker 4: the symbols of this country. You are toppling the symbols
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  Speaker 4: of this country. If you hate this country that much,
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  Speaker 4: I'm happy to have a whip brown and get the
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  Speaker 4: money to send you to Bolivia or some other joint
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  Speaker 4: somewhere where you might feel more comfortable. And if not,
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  Speaker 4: we should have a mechanism to either lock you up
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  Speaker 4: forever or send you to another country without doing anything
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  Speaker 4: about it and having legal recourse for doing something you
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  Speaker 4: don't belong here. If that is the way you behave,
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  Speaker 4: if that's how you feel about this country, please just
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  Speaker 4: bugger off.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 2: The mechanism to lock them up should be. If you
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  Speaker 2: are painting Hamas symbols, is that not incitement or is
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  Speaker 2: it not support for a terrorist organization? I don't understand
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  Speaker 2: how if you are painting those symbols, and particularly today
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  Speaker 2: of all days, that's not incitement to violence against Jews
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  Speaker 2: and support for a listed terror organization. They should immediately
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  Speaker 2: be prosecuted and there should be enough CCTV in that
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  Speaker 2: part of Melbourne for police to find who's day this
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  Speaker 2: and take appropriate action.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I think at the very least we should all
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  Speaker 5: lodge complaints with the Australian Human Rights Commission under Section
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  Speaker 5: eighteen C for causing serious offense on the basis of
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  Speaker 5: our nationality because they said death to this to Australia,
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  Speaker 5: and as an Australian, that is highly offensive and makes
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  Speaker 5: me very uncomfortable. So if the left wants to play
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  Speaker 5: the hate speech game, we can play that too, because
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  Speaker 5: they're often the ones propagating hate speech.
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  Speaker 7: This is a perfect.
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  Speaker 5: Example, and I would say with the Hamas triangle and
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  Speaker 5: death to Australia, it probably crosses the line from hate
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  Speaker 5: speech into incitement. But why is it that the left
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  Speaker 5: can spray paint this stuff on national monuments but they're
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  Speaker 5: never prosecuted.
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  Speaker 2: Can I say these are not just whack jobs?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Because it calls to memory a speech given just the
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  Speaker 2: other day in the Senate by Senator Nick McKee Mkim
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  Speaker 2: Ruins who said they'll need we'll never deal with anti
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  Speaker 2: Semitism until we deal with Islamophobia. We'll never deal with
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  Speaker 2: his lamophobia till we deal with every other phobia. And
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  Speaker 2: we'll never deal with any of that until we deal
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  Speaker 2: with the evils of colonization. So there you have those
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  Speaker 2: statues associated with Australian history, but death to Australia, the
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  Speaker 2: hamas symbol obviously symbolizing.
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  Speaker 1: Death to Jews.
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  Speaker 2: You've got those two things coming together. These are not
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  Speaker 2: just crazy idiots out in the suburbs. Senators in the
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  Speaker 2: Australian Senate linked those two things together just a couple
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  Speaker 2: of days. But of course there is never any recompense
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  Speaker 2: for them.
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  Speaker 4: And it's this weird conflation of the Aboriginal issue and
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  Speaker 4: the Palestinian issue right which we've seen at the rallies
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  Speaker 4: for quite some time. They somehow think there's an overlap
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  Speaker 4: between those two things. I'm sure if you talk to
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  Speaker 4: a lot of Jews they'd say they have some sort
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  Speaker 4: of indigenous claim to the land they now call is
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  Speaker 4: But anyway, let's put that to one side. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: they just don't get it, do not get it, and
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  Speaker 4: wait it will happen. I'm sure we will be hearing
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  Speaker 4: in the next few weeks that it's hideously expensive to
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  Speaker 4: put these monuments back together and to clean them up,
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  Speaker 4: and that it's not safe to leave them there because
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  Speaker 4: they'll be targeted again, just like they have done with
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  Speaker 4: other monuments previously in Melbourne. And then there'll be a
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  Speaker 4: discussion about whether or not they are ever put back,
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  Speaker 4: and if that is to happen, that's just a win
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  Speaker 4: for these vandals who hate this country. I don't care
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  Speaker 4: how much it costs to put them back. We've got
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  Speaker 4: to keep putting them back because we have to teach
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  Speaker 4: these people that this is not on and you can't
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  Speaker 4: get away with it.
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  Speaker 2: Funny Nicholas reached the Lord Mayor of Melbourne and I
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  Speaker 2: didn't hear all his comments, to be fair to him,
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  Speaker 2: but the comment I heard was the one on cost
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  Speaker 2: rate payers have to pay for this, and I did think.
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  Speaker 2: I think that that's the least of the problems with this,
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  Speaker 2: is the ten thousand dollars fifty thousand dollars to put
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  Speaker 2: it back.
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  Speaker 1: We've got much bigger problems than that.
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  Speaker 7: Exactly right.
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  Speaker 5: It really does feel like there are some traders inside
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  Speaker 5: our own country. But look, it doesn't this stop that
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  Speaker 5: Even in schools, kids are being indoctrinated with this self
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  Speaker 5: loathing for our country and shame at our history and
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  Speaker 5: New South Wales mother has spoken out after her child
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  Speaker 5: came home with coloring books that we're all about saying
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  Speaker 5: we're sorry. One of them said, take action. Sorry starts
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  Speaker 5: with me, We are sorry. There are all these resources
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  Speaker 5: online for National Sorry Day that teachers are encouraged to
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  Speaker 5: use in classrooms. And this I mean, firstly, I think
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  Speaker 5: this is a big reason why so many parents are
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  Speaker 5: looking at sending their kids to private schools. They simply
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  Speaker 5: don't trust what their kids are going to be taught
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  Speaker 5: in the public system and they feel like they'll have
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  Speaker 5: no rights to stand up and stop it. But also,
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  Speaker 5: what does this do to children when from kindergarten or
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  Speaker 5: we've seen examples from preschool and childcare, they're constantly told
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  Speaker 5: to apologize and sorry starts with me. That makes it
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  Speaker 5: sound like you're responsible. The child is somehow responsible for colonization,
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  Speaker 5: for indigenous disadvantage.
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  Speaker 7: That is totally unfair to put that on a child.
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  Speaker 4: The kid's living on stolen land. Let's not forget you
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  Speaker 4: know that kid woke up one day and decided to
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  Speaker 4: take out a mortgage.
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  Speaker 9: Well, I was going to ask what persons land?
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  Speaker 2: What is a five year old sorry for in relation
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  Speaker 2: to colonization? Are they sorry for their color? Are they
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  Speaker 2: sorry for their ethnicity? I'm trying to work out what
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  Speaker 2: a five year old is sorry for in relation to
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  Speaker 2: Indigenous people. The other part of this is I genuinely
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  Speaker 2: don't think most parents realize the depth of indoctrination that
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  Speaker 2: happens in particularly in public schools, but even in private schools.
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  Speaker 2: Remember when my kids were at school, they came home
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  Speaker 2: with a book that was on Australian history or whatever,
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  Speaker 2: and it had a picture on one page of pre
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  Speaker 2: colonized Australia and it's this idyllic sort of scene, and
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  Speaker 2: then it was post colonization and it was you know,
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  Speaker 2: beer and cigarettes and all this kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 4: You're telling me that's not an idyllic scene to.
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  Speaker 2: Me, for you, But I said to my son, where's
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  Speaker 2: the photos of you know, plumbing, roads, the opera, house, bridges,
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  Speaker 2: modern health.
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  Speaker 9: Systems, et cetera, et cetera.
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  Speaker 1: And he didn't get the point.
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  Speaker 2: But the level of indoctrination I think most parents would
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  Speaker 2: be shocked by.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, quite probably. And that sort of goes to
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  Speaker 4: the point of why seveny parents? And now to NICKI
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  Speaker 4: is ilsweek as they're hoping to get a reasonable level
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  Speaker 4: of education for them. I think you pointed out to
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  Speaker 4: me earlier that sorry days in May, isn't it. So
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  Speaker 4: the timing of this is a bit of we don't
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  Speaker 4: actually know when these materials were distributed to these students,
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  Speaker 4: but the point still stands in particularly in the lead
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  Speaker 4: up to Australia Day, you know, like the stuff that
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  Speaker 4: children are being taught not only about this, but about
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  Speaker 4: climate change and all manner of issues, and there is
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  Speaker 4: like throughout the curriculum. Climate change is an example. Throughout
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  Speaker 4: the curriculum, they're basically instructed to weave in elements of
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  Speaker 4: climate change into every other part of the curriculum. And
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  Speaker 4: I believe there are similar edicts about Aboriginal culture as well,
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  Speaker 4: that it comes into mathematics and all these. Can we
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  Speaker 4: not simply teach the basics and get the basics out
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  Speaker 4: of the way and deal with the rest of it later,
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  Speaker 4: And the rest of it is to be dealt with
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  Speaker 4: with children who are of an age where they can
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  Speaker 4: think critically and they can assess different evidence and different
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  Speaker 4: ideas and different people's points of view and come up
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  Speaker 4: with their own view. Of things. You lay it out
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  Speaker 4: and you let people make up their own minds. It's
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  Speaker 4: no coincidence that they go after kindergarten kids and reception
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  Speaker 4: aged kids and so on, because you've got to get
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  Speaker 4: them as young as you possibly can and indoctrinate them
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  Speaker 4: so that when someone does introduce another point of view
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  Speaker 4: to them, well that simply can't be true. My teachers
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't have lied to me, would they.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: No, it's called cross curriculum priorities. It's Indigenous sustainability and
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  Speaker 5: Asia that has to be infused into every subject area.
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  Speaker 5: And the poor teachers are probably pulling their hair out
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  Speaker 5: going how do I link sustainability and indigenous to mathematics.
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  Speaker 5: It's just absurd and it really does. I mean, this
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  Speaker 5: is the problem, right, These kids get it in school
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  Speaker 5: and then they're carried into university and into the workforce.
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  Speaker 5: But what does give me hope is that support for
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: Australia Day is it record highs, the highest it's been
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: in many, many years, even among young people.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: So they're particularly among young people. Get that pull from
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: the IPA about whether or not you would support people
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: having their Australia public holiday on another day. The group
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: that seid. No, the most were those eighteen to twenty four.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: So the kids ain't so bad after all. They're starting
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: to rebel against this woke crap that's been shoved down
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: their throats.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Well, speaking of the kids in Australia, day kids will
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: be very aware their school holidays are drawing quickly to
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: a close. And so I've seen parents out in the
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: bat with their kids at office works buying books and
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: stationery and so on. But other kids are going to
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: the barber to get a haircut because schools have different standards.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Speaking of which, in Ipswich, where mullets, I reckon would
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: be pretty popular in Ipswich. In Queensland there's a private school.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: So ed what are you saying, we're the people of ipswitch.
• 19:24
  Speaker 9: Not, Well, yeah, I reckon.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: If you want to see a good mullet, Namble on
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: the Sunshine Coast or Ipswich in Queensland would be two places.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: There'd be many others And I'm not knocking the mullet.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Wish I could have one myself anyway. Saint Edmund's College
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: in Ipswich put out a Facebook post just encouraging parents, Hey, it's.
• 19:39
  Speaker 9: Time to get your kids ready for school.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Don't forget we have standards regarding hair and so they
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: posted some photos of what was acceptable and what's not
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: his What is acceptable for boy's hair at Saint Edmund's College, Frey,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: are you happy with those haircuts?
• 19:54
  Speaker 7: I think the one on the rights of it short, but.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: The one on the right looks like a military it does.
• 20:00
  Speaker 7: But on the whole they're great.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, so that's acceptable. It's an Edmunds.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Here's what's not acceptable, and boy, it got some people angry.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: Caleb, No, they're not acceptable. Sorry, you don't need to
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: rock up to school looking like a bricky or what's
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: that thing on the right hand side there where he's
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: got the ponytail and the sort of fade cut. I
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: don't know. Is it unacceptable for a school to say
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: that you should have a clean haircut. The parents apparently
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: went off in that. They did comments on this Facebook post.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: One parent wrote, haircuts don't impact education. Another parent wrote,
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: and I love this one. As a private college where
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: parents pay significant fees, families should have the right to
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: choose any hairst hope they want.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: That's why they're packed. Can I just before we move on,
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: you missed a trick before because in the previous topic,
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: Freyer made a comment about teachers pulling their hair out,
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: and I thought, oh, this is going to be great.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: You'll make some segue about you know, of teachers pulling
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: hair out and you didn't use it. But anyway, it
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: will be that as it may. But that's why they're
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: paying the high fees, just seeing the kids to a
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: school whe they're a standard, and.
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: That's objectively not true.
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: I do think haircuts impact learning because it's a signal
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: about discipline. If you allow a school and a culture
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: where anyone can have any hair they want, uniform standards
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: don't apply. We don't really care what you look like.
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: Well one, you're not showing up ready to learn.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: On that point, like, imagine how much smarter Einstein would
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: have been.
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: But the phenomenon of parents getting mad at schools, I
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: remember when I was at school. This even made it
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: into the Sydney Morning Herald because the school was so
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: sick of all the girls taking their skirts up and
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: having the skirts be too short, so they made all
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: the girls, well, they made all the girls kneel down
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: and if your skirt didn't touch the ground, you would
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: have to take down the hem and the.
• 21:56
  Speaker 7: Parents lost their minds.
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: But why did you send your daughter to a schoolhere
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: you knew the uniform.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Coat well, speaking of punitive punishments, right, Apparently, according to
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: the media at St Edmunds, if your hair's too long,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: you get given seventy two hours to get a haircut.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: I think that's reasonable.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: But your hair could also be too short apparently, and
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: according to the school standards, if your hair's too short,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: you are put into detention during breaks in the day
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: until your hair grows well.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: To be honest, I don't know how it gets much
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: shorter than that chap who was on the right of
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: the agrectable side, and you'd have to have a complete
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: buzz call.
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: What if you suffer from premature building.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: That I had made at school? And his hair was
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: receding pretty heavily by the time year twelve came around,
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: So you know, I don't know what they'd do for him.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: But you know, it's that whole thing about whether schools
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: should have uniforms, and of course they should, I mean
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: it just it's set to standard for everyone, and it's
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: a leveler for everyone because everyone has to adhere to
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: the same standard. Tender message about the school teacher's discipline
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: to kids. I really don't get what parents are so
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: angry about. If you don't want your kid to have
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: discipline and standards, go and send them to a school
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: where they don't care about these things. You could even
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: save money on your school fees along the way. While
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: we're on this theme of schools and kids, though, I
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: have to tell you over in the UK they have
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: some serious problems. I'd be very interested to see what
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: this would look like if this survey was replicated in Australia.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: But a survey was done in the UK of reception teachers,
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: these kids who've just come out of preschool, kindergarten and
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: they're starting their first year at school, and these teachers
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: were asked about the readiness of children coming into school
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: in reception or I think in New South Wales is
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: called kinder It was reception where I was in South Australia.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: I think they call it reception in the UK as well.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: And the numbers that have come back in terms of
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: teachers reporting kids not being ready for school is extraordinary.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: Keep them on. These are kids like five six years old, right,
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: They said the teachers twenty six percent of kids were
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: having frequent toilet mishaps, so they're not properly toilet trained.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: Twenty eight percent cannot eat or drink independently by five
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: or six years old. Twenty five percent do not have
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: basic language skills ie being able to say their own names.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: For goodness sake, thirty seven percent in total they said
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: we're not ready for schools. More than a third of students,
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: they say, are not ready for school by the age
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: of five or six twenty eight percent. This is the
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: most extraordinary one don't know how to use a book properly.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: And the teachers are reporting that kids are picking up books.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: Let's say this is a book, and they're going like
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: it's a device like an iPad or a phone or something.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: They've never seen a book in their lives before. They
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: don't know how to flip pages. They're going, how do
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: I use this like an iPad? I mean, it just
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: boggles the mind the fact that parents a allowing their
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: kids to go off to school in this sort of state.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: The poor old teachers then have to deal with it.
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: And then, of course, when they asked the parents whether
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: they thought their kids were ready for school, more than
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: eighty percent said they were so clearly there's a big
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: disconnect here between what the parents think is going on
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: and what the teachers are seeing at school. But how
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: do we to a point where a kid doesn't even
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: know what a book is?
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: With many of these issues, I think parenting is the
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: problem and parenting is the solution. And you mentioned a
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: statistic twenty five percent of these kids starting school lacked
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: basic language skills, including the ability to say their own name.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: How do you raise a child to age four or
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: five who can't even say their own name. That's like
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: an epic parenting failure. This is not an education system failure.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: This is a parenting failure. However, it turns into an
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: education system failure because the stats also say that teachers
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: are spending upwards of one and a half hours per
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: day changing kids underwear because they've wet themselves, or helping
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: kids do basic things like drink or eat or understand
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: you simple skills it would assume they would have had.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: So a parenting issue then affects the education system, and
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: I think sometimes schools get more of a bad rap
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: than they ought because schools ultimately are a reflection of
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: what's going on in the homes, and so this is
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: a parenting issue.
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: Well, clearly these kids aren't being taught how to live independently.
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: If they can't feed themselves, they can't go to the toilet,
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: they can't read a book. I mean, either that means
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: they've been in perhaps institutional childcare since a very early age,
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: where they've had careers around who can do those sorts
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: of things and not as much one on one attention
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: from parents, or they've just had parents who were complete
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: helicopters and so they never had to learn these skills.
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: I really don't understand how that's even by five years old,
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: And ultimately I think this is actually a form of
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: abuse against children. If your child is five or six
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: and can't go to the toilet by themselves, can't say
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: their own name, you have fundamentally failed as a parent
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: to equip them with the skills they should have by
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: that age. And we know that how you start school
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: sets you up or holds you back in the future.
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: If you start at that much of a disadvantage, I
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: don't know how you recover as a kid. It's really sad,
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: but let's move on now. Of course, there's been so
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: much drama over the last forty eight hours about the
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: coalition split, and naturally one Nation is seizing upon this moment.
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: They've had great back to back polling showing they've in
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: some polls officially taken over the Coalition in terms of
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: their primary vote nationally, and now they've announced that they're
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: going to run over one hundred candidates in the Victorian
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: state election. Now this is where it's going to get interesting,
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: because there's a big difference between recording a strong result
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: in a poll because so many people are disillusioned with
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: the Liberal Party versus actually being able to run a
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: ground campaign sufficient to compete with the major parties. And
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: for them, the reality is with the Liberal Party, even
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: just vetting one hundred candidates to make sure you don't
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: end up with any loonies, I mean that's hard enough
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: in and of itself. Then having local campaign committees in
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: each state, electric keeping track of the finances, having a
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: unified message, this is hard and this has been the
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: challenge that reform.
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: In the UK has faced. This is the thing.
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: You can have the great charismatic leader who does well
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: in the polls individually, but how you do on the
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: ground that's what's going to make or break one nation.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: And I think Pauline Hanson will be very aware of that.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: She has given the better part of what thirty years
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: to her political career. She's now starting to reap the fruit.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: It's early days. Really.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: It's just funny to say, right, it's been there thirty years,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: but I reckon it kind of feels like early days
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: for one nation because now they are potentially a very
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: serious force. I know it's very difficult, but I have
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: no doubt that they will be incredibly deliberate and diligent
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: in vetting candidates because a couple of loose cannons can
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: ruin everything. And she's invested far too much to now
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: get to this point and let it all be screwed
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: up by a slack vetting system, and so on and
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: so forth. James Ashby's a very smart operator. She's got
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Barnaby Joyce there as well. There's other people in the background.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: It's a big job, but I think they'll do it
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: well well.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: They have to. The challenge is the mechanics of doing it.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: Because a liberal party or a labor party has well
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: established branches with long term members who've been invested in
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: the party for a long time, and this huge resurgence
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: in interest for one nation will mean an influx of
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: people who are brand new to the party, and so
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: having that historic infrastructure that is meant to meant being
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: the operative word get everything done efficiently, because we know
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: even in the liberal and labor parties it does not
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: get done efficiently quite often, and there is a lot
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: of infighting. But that infrastructure has not existed for a
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: long time, and so they are essentially starting from scratch,
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: so it makes that job so much harder. And one
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: nation has a pretty good record of people getting elected
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: under its banner and then walking away, as do a
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: number of minor parties, almost with the exception of the Greens.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: The Greens have had a small number of people who've
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: walked away, but they've largely held the people that they've
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: had elected under their banner. But a lot of major
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: minor parties really struggle with that. People get elected who've
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: had no interaction with politics at a professional level at all,
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: and then they do.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: The Greens manage to maintain everyone because the crazies don't
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: have to leave.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: But you're right at home, right, hey.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: Lydia thought left, So you know, there is a threshold
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: of crazy, but it is a difficult task, but this
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: is one nation saying we are serious about doing something
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: with the opportunity we have been given. They just have
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: to be careful not to spread themselves too thin. Now
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: it's not only the Liberal Party, it's also the National
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: Party in Victoria that in some of the rural seats
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: they will presumably be going up against, and that The
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: greatest example of someone having great momentum and spreading themselves
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: too thin is twenty eighteen South Australia Nick Xenophon. And
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: you'll recall Nick Xenophon, who'd been a Senator for a
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: long time and a state politician in Essay prior to that,
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: left the Senate and went back to South Australia to
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: run in the state election because there was this polling
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: saying that he was doing his party esay best, was
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: doing like twenty five to thirty percent primary vote, which
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: is sort of what we're looking at with one nation now.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: And Nick Xenophon was like, holy, I could be premier here,
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: or I could at the very least have the balance
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: of power, a solid balance of power, and decided it
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: was the next premier of South Australia, and so he
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: ran candidates in too many places, and he spread himself
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: too thin because again he was the complete figurehead. He
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: spent no time in the electorate. He was running in himself.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: And they won zero duck egg lower House seats off
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: a basis they were doing twenty percent in a lot
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: of these seats and they won nothing. They've got two
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: upper House seats and that was it because they spread
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: themselves too thin. So they just have to be careful
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: to use their resources where it can have the most effect,
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: because that is where a minor party like this is
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: most likely to lose out on the opportunity to use
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: the power it could have.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Very very good point. All right, let's go to the
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: US quickly.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Some interesting developments in the whole Jeffrey Epstein saga. The
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: US Congress has decided to charge Bill and Hillary Clinton
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: with contempt of Congress after they have refused to testify
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: about their relationship with the defeast deceased sex trafficker.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Here's Fox News report.
• 33:15
  Speaker 10: Massachusetts Democrat Anna Presley was one of nine Democrats who
• 33:19
  Speaker 10: voted for contempt.
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: I just.
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: Focused on survivors. We want to hear from anyone that
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: has information that should be limited to party lives.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: So as a bipartisan vote to have Bill and Hillary
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Clinton testify, and to bipartisan vote to charge them with
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: contempt of Congress for not testifying. Interestingly, Steve Bannon recently
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: was jailed for four months for contempt of Congress, so
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: there is precedent here. Could you see Bill and or
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton doing jail time for not testifying about their
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: It's entirely possible. It's got to go up to the
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: House now, but it'll probably get support in the House,
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: and then the DOJ has to make a decision about
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: whether or not they go after Clinton. And something tells
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: me that the Trump under sorry, the DOJ under a
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: Trump administration would jump at the opportunity to go after
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: the Clintons, because, I mean, Trump has been quite open
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: about the fact that the Dems went after him and
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: used law fear against him. So you know, why shouldn't
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: we give them a little taste of their own medicine.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: I would not be at all surprised to see them
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: do that, and to be fair, they probably deserve it.
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: I mean, the Clintons were known associates. Bill certainly a
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: known associate of Jeffrey Epstein, what do they have to
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: hide in not going to the House Committee and talking
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: about their experiences with him.
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's also a bit hypocritical of the Democrats
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: and especially the Clintons, given there was that couple month
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: period there where the Trump administration was sitting on the
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: Epstein files, and they remember that the lines were constantly
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: coming out, what do you have to hide?
• 35:00
  Speaker 7: Trump's covering up Epstein?
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: And they managed to for a moment there flip the
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: narrative and everyone did start to go, why is Trump
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: covering up the Epstein files? Well, except actually, now the Democrats,
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: Bill Clinton doesn't want to appear, doesn't want it to
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: share with.
• 35:15
  Speaker 7: The House what he knows.
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: So really, you can't accuse Trump of a cover up
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: when you yourself and not exactly making yourself available for justice.
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: But let's move on to a local story just quickly.
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: Fraser Island or Gary Island. The mayor has warned against
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: families bringing young children to camp on the island because
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: of these shocking rise in dingo numbers.
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: There was a Canadian.
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: Backpacker that was found dead surrounded by a pack of
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: dingoes just a couple of days ago. It's still being
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: determined exactly what the cause of death was. But yeah,
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: it's beautiful. But maybe they'll take your kids there.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, maybe get rid of some dingos.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Why should kids not be allowed to enjoy the beauty
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: of Fraser Island because some people are a bit weird
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: about culling some dingoes. There's far too many dingoes on
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Fraser Island. We know that because they keep trying to
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: get food from visitors. There's obviously not enough food on
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: the island to support the dingoes.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Naturally shoot half of them.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't see what the issue is. I mean,
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: they're not actually a native animal, correct. I think they
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: descend from a variety of Asian dog and they were
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: certainly here pre colonization. But they haven't been here for
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: you know, teens of thousands of years, maybe five thousand
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: odd years. And what's the issue. I mean, we cull
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: kangaroos when we know they are in epidemic proportions because
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: it's not humane for the animals.
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: Thing with sharks, with the amount of shark attacks we've seen,
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: Tony Abbott was out there calling for shark culling. We
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: should we should not prioritize animals or in this case,
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: pests over human life.
• 36:57
  Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely, all right, we're going to go to a break.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: When we come back, look at what's making news tomorrow,
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: including we're talking about one Nation and.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: How they're setting up for the future.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Some extra funding coming one Nation's way from some interesting sources.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: That's next. Okay, welcome back to the program.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Let's look at what's making headlines tomorrow so you hear
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: them here. First, we'll start with the Adelaide Advertiser. And
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: we need to start with the Advertiser, not just because
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: it's the biggest political story in the country right now,
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: but it is the best of tomorrow's headlines. Hazy Susan
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: reads the headline, well done to the sub editors at
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: the Advertiser. Cloud hangs over Liberal leader as colleagues plot
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: to roll her. Liberals reeling from the implosion of the
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: coalition over a split on hate speech, plotting to replace
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Susan Lee as leader. Liberals from across the faction same
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: as Lee's position is terminal. Angus Taylor and Andrew Hasty
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: are the leading contenders. Mister Taylor is on his way
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: back from Europe. Mister Hasty has agreed that we'll meet
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: first to discuss whether they'll team up or go it
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: alone before any moves are made. I like this little
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: paragraph in the Advertiser attentative date has been set for
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: February second to attempt to roll mis Lee. That sounds
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: quite organized, doesn't it. It's even in the papers. We've
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: set the date February second.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: That's when the coup will happen.
• 38:21
  Speaker 7: Well, we'll see.
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: I mean, there's gonna be a lot of jostling before then. Ideally,
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: and this is what some senior Liberal MPs have leaked
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: to the paper, the ideal scenario would be Susan steps
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: down and resigns.
• 38:33
  Speaker 7: Of her own volition. But she is pretty tough. I'll
• 38:37
  Speaker 7: give her that.
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: There have been moments not quite like this, but there
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: have been previous moments in her leadership when we thought
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: a spill would be imminent, but she's managed to survive.
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: But I think this time, with the terrible polling, the
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: mismanagement of the anti Semitism bill, and now the coalition imploding,
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: there's just no way she can make it through this.
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: What a sorry saga. By the way, make sure you
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: buy a copy of the Advertiser tomorrow to read further
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: my thoughts on this sorry saga in my column. But
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: you know it, could the Prime Minister have had a
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: better week, Seriously, like he's managed to get through the
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: implosion of the coalition. He rocks up tonight, gives a
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: pretty good speech, gets a round of applause. So as
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: far as he's concerned, he's got that bit sorted out,
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: he got his laws all bit amended through the parliament.
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: He's riding a pretty good high here, and the coalition
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: will ex coalition, it's not a coalition anymore. Is at
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: the lowest point it has been in decades. And here
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: we are again with the Liberal and National parties talking
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: about themselves as opposed to talking about the things that
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: are important to the country. And it's the same reason
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: that they've been in so much trouble in Victoria for
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: a long time, because they can't sort themselves out. And
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: here we are.
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: Saying Taylor, but to push back just a little bit,
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: they do need to talk about themselves to an extent,
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: to the extent that they need a good leader. And
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: the problem is, even before this saga, the Coalition was
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: already tanking in the polls. One nation was posing an
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: existential threat to them if they don't deal with the
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: leadership issue.
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: Now then when and.
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: So I get all this argument, but you do actually
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: have to sort out the leadership.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: And can I just say the leadership was a problem
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: from the moment Susan Lee stood in the press club
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: and made her first speech, beginning with an acknowledgment of country.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: In that moment they knew you've chosen the wrong person
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: to lead the Conservative movement.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Here we are months later.
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. Well, let's move on and look at the
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: Australian tomorrow. One of the headlines is inside Little Proud's
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: Chairman of the board leadership.
• 40:42
  Speaker 7: David little Proud lets the will.
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: Of the party room dictate almost everything he does, including
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: now his second historic spill from the Liberals. Every time
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: he opens a meeting of his MPs he starts the
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: same way.
• 40:56
  Speaker 7: So what do we all think?
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: It's emblematic of the strategy of a National's leader who
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: has kept the loyalty of his MPs despite his battles
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: with everyone from Susan Lee to Barnaby Joyce. I mean,
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: that seems like a really convenient story to have placed
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: in the Australian Right.
• 41:13
  Speaker 7: Now.
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: Clearly someone in the Little Proud media team is whipping
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: up some positive headlines for him after he has also
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: contributed to the collapse in the coalition. But it is
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: interesting because contrast that with Susan. She came into the
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: leadership saying she was going to do that. She wanted
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: to be the opposite of what Dutton had become, which
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: was combative and basically a solo agent in the party.
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: He didn't consult the shadow ministers. There was very little
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: consultation between his office and anyone else. But it's not
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: Susan the we're reading about here. It's David Little Proud.
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: That's surprising.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's also to unified approach that the Nationals have
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: taken him. You know, they've all taken one for the
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: team in order to do all of this. Of course,
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: three of them put their front bench positions on the line,
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: and then the rest of them walked out in solidarity.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: It's not as like Little not as though Little Proud
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: or anyone else just simply said, oh, well, now you've
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: got to do this. They've done it of their own
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: volition because they feel strongly about the sanctity of their
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: party room and what they should be able to do
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: or should not be able to do. I'll be talking
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: to David little Proud on the Bond Report five pm tomorrow,
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: by the way, so tune in for that. But the
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: Nationals have laid it on theline. Whether that's the direction
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: of Little Proud or not, it would seem it's done
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: because the party wants to do it.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: And that's also another interesting story in the odds tomorrow,
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: Ryan hut Trump Card shifts live donors to Hanson.
• 42:46
  Speaker 7: This is an interesting one.
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: A treo or former liberal donating fund managers have given
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: one hundred thousand dollars each to Paul In Hanson's One
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: Nation after Gina Reinhart agreed to take them to dinner
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: with Donald Trump at Mara Lago. I mean, quid pro quo, right,
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: you give me a dinner with Trump. Many people would
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: pay one hundred thousand dollars for that. But this will
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: be another factor that the Liberal Party is no doubt
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: considering as they think about the leadership. I think Susan
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: will struggle with fundraising and clearly they are losing some
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: very high networth donors.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: So you're losing donors, you're losing members. The Libs are
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: in a lot of trouble and One Nation if they
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: can get it together, like we were saying earlier, anything
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: is possible.
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: And they lost a lot of donors after the federal
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: election too, you know, big time supporters of the party
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: which is apoplectic with how things went there. And if
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: they're going to go and put money behind One Nation,
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: you know one note, well, One Nation is now the
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: most popular conservative party in this country according to all
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: the polling, and of course that the only problem is
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: that they may will be some labor seats where preferences
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: could put One Nation in the running, but a lot
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: of where One Nation will be running and hoping to
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: have success. Fundamentally National held seats throughout Queensland and rural
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: and regional Australia. So this is also a big threat
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: to the Nationals, which haven't lost a lower House seat
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: since two thousand and seven. And then you consider that
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: the Liberal Party i think, has lost thirty two seats
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: in the last two federal election. So you know, from
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: both angles this thing is a complete mess. But let's
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: see where One Nation can end up. On the front
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: of the Gold Coast bulletin tomorrow, extremely alarming story ball
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: refuse student allegedly planned to throw molotov cocktails during a
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: riot OS Day terror. A PhD student with the CSIRO
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: has faced court on a terror charged with police alleging
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: he had planned to throw molotov cocktails during a riot
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: on the Gold Coast on Australia Day. Sep Sarazadi twenty
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: four of Bill Bowerie is charged with a single count
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: of act in preparation for or planning a terrorist act.
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: And thank god this has been intercepted before it may
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: have allegedly happened. And we will continue to follow this
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: story closely.
• 45:18
  Speaker 9: All right, coming up after the break.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: We've had four shark attacks in forty eight hours this week,
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: and now it emerges a bunch of Sydney school kids
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: had a frighteningly close encounter with a bull shark.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Can you believe it?
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: In the Parramatta River. Will show you the vision after this.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: All right, now, I know you won't believe this. But
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: lefties melting down? They don't melt down, do they frail?
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: No?
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: Well, this time what triggered it was a segment on
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: CNN where they follow a suburban mom from Iowa, a
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: swing state, and this time she has had a massive
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: change of tune and now says previously having been a
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: never trumper, Trump was right about everything.
• 46:02
  Speaker 7: This ed on CNN and cause complete meltdown.
• 46:05
  Speaker 6: Have a look there's that saying Trump was right about everything,
• 46:09
  Speaker 6: And that's kind of how I'm feeling right now.
• 46:11
  Speaker 10: This Breakfast conversation our sixth visit with Bessie Sarcone, dating
• 46:15
  Speaker 10: back to August twenty twenty three. Her shift beyond dramatic.
• 46:19
  Speaker 10: A desantist that a Hayley voter said she would vote
• 46:22
  Speaker 10: for Joe Biden if Trump won the Republican nomination, but
• 46:26
  Speaker 10: she changed her mind.
• 46:28
  Speaker 7: Now.
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: Interestingly, the issues that changed her mind was primarily immigration
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: and subsequently crime.
• 46:36
  Speaker 7: And that's the thing.
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: People don't think women care about immigration or crime, but
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: they really do. And now this suburban mom has shown
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: it and the lefties are losing it.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: What was the reaction from the lefties?
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: Oh, it was just meltdown online. They just couldn't believe it.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: How dire they this on CNN, speaking of how dire
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: they airthing. So don't ask me why. Four fifteen am
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: other morning, I'm listening to the BBC World Services I
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: do overnight. I'm lying there in bed. Now I hear
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: this woman come on and say the most unhinged things
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: about Donald Trump, including that he's gonna use martial law.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: You can imagine how I set up in bad Take
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: a listen, Hi.
• 47:16
  Speaker 11: This is shaf from Illinois. I think Trump is demented.
• 47:20
  Speaker 11: He stays up all night tweeting he's doing Putin's bidding
• 47:24
  Speaker 11: his Board of Peace, and I put that in quotation
• 47:28
  Speaker 11: marks is ludicrous. He enjoys the spotlight and destabilizing the world.
• 47:35
  Speaker 11: And I'm sick of him and his family and his
• 47:37
  Speaker 11: cult following what he's doing here in the United States,
• 47:41
  Speaker 11: tearing our country apart. I really believe he wants to
• 47:44
  Speaker 11: declare martial law so he doesn't have to have the
• 47:46
  Speaker 11: midterms when he will lose power. And I'm really mad
• 47:51
  Speaker 11: that the Republicans in Congress are weak and afraid of
• 47:56
  Speaker 11: him in not doing their job.
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: This is a message someone has seen in By the way,
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: it's a live cause they didn't have to put it
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: to air. You can imagine that worked me up. At
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: four fifteen in the morning, He's going to declare martial law.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: I was hoping sher would start singing.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: He's really gone down the gurglars all right.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: On Monday, a group of year ten, the King's school
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: kids were practicing rowing on the Parramatta River when all
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, a bull shark leapt right out of
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: the water, about twenty or thirty meters from their boat.
• 48:31
  Speaker 9: Have a look at this vision.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: You can see there the bull shark comes right up
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: out of the water. The kids have since stopped rowing
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: until the river can be declared safe.
• 48:40
  Speaker 9: I'm not sure they can actually declare it safe.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: A shark expert was asked why would a shark breach
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: the water like that.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: There were two explanations.
• 48:48
  Speaker 9: Either A it was chasing fish or B.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: And this is the explanation.
• 48:53
  Speaker 9: I think it is quite horrifying.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: The shark leapt out of the water because it was
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: being chased by a larger shark.
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: Look. I said the other night that all fish and
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: chips should be made out of bullshark, and I've written
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: a column about this for the sky News website. I
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: actually watched a video last night of someone catching, killing
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: and cooking a bull shark and it looked all right.
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: So I reckon that's the solution.
• 49:14
  Speaker 7: Wow, that is terrifying.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Well that's all we've got time for tonight.
• 49:19
  Speaker 9: We'll see you next week.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Stick around here is readA Penny