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505 - Is Gatekeeping Destroying The Vietnamese Community Right Now? - Jason Phuc Huu Nguyen · The Vietnamese with Kenneth Nguyen

• 0:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: We are just coming back.
• 0:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're a little bit easier.
• 0:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: A little drink right there.
• 0:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was great though, from what Kukofi and Little Saigon here.
• 0:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 0:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: After the drive.
• 0:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're okay.
• 0:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, we got to pick up where we left off.
• 0:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would love to know the process of you making these wonderful videos.
• 0:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like tell me a little bit about how they're put together.
• 0:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, a lot of times, you know, you probably know this, making content is
• 0:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: difficult, you know, this require a lot of time, effort, energy, all that stuff, right?
• 0:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: And on top of that, when you have a 9 or 5, it's even more difficult, because when you're going to have time to edit, when you're going to have time to do all of that.
• 0:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: So with my talking head video, I usually will write my script and think of a way to, you know, storytell something
• 0:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: is personal to me, right?
• 1:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, for example, the video me coming back from Vietnam, I talked about, you know, that post-trip depression.
• 1:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: But for the other videos where I, you know, compile clips together with songs and then attacks overlays, that's like quicker, quicker edits.
• 1:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: But,
• 1:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love to document everything when I'm out in Vietnam.
• 1:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I have backlogs of footage from Vietnam.
• 1:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: So a lot of times when you see some of my videos, my hair is buzzed because you know, like you used footage from the past.
• 1:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: And for those ones, I didn't edit anything at all for like a long time.
• 1:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't feel like editing for a while.
• 1:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because
• 1:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Every time I would look at those footages, I just miss the memories so much, they have like, I don't wanna look at it, right?
• 1:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: But doing content, you just have to learn how to recite footages, and
• 2:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't file it away and write like, yeah, so like I would document and I would organize it, you know, like Vietnam, 2025, 2024, 2023, where were at?
• 2:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Are we in Nimbun, you know, like that lad or wherever, right?
• 2:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I would have, you know, my
• 2:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would think like when I'm working, I would think of an idea or like a feeling that I felt and I want to talk about it and sometimes you know like making a video wouldn't take a lot of time.
• 2:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I would just write it in my captions or in the video.
• 2:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Got it.
• 2:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Got it.
• 2:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think you have all this b-roll.
• 2:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I have all this, this deal.
• 2:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so those are like my, my quicker content, but you know, sometimes I love to, to talk more detailed about those feelings and how I feel about certain topics.
• 2:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: For example, like a couple of weeks ago during April.
• 2:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we were at the Baohan second-born event.
• 3:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you put together this crazy viral video or Baohan moment.
• 3:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we were all blown away how viral that thing went.
• 3:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Kudos to that, yeah, I mean, arguably that's what put you on the map to a lot of us, you know?
• 3:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
• 3:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was really honored to be invited to
• 3:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: you know, that event because not only I was able to win something so beautiful, but also getting the opportunity to connect more with community leaders such as you and Julie and other creators in our community.
• 3:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it was just like a pinch me moment kind of night for me and I was really nervous but like excited at the same time.
• 3:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: a whole event moved me so much because Johnny was the one that invited me out there and he wanted my help with interviewing people.
• 4:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't expect me to make that video.
• 4:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: He just wanted me to edit like the interview video, right?
• 4:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: But then I was really compelled to tell my version of what happened
• 4:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, the story tells itself, you know, the love story of Malcolm and T tells itself, and I was just trying to recite what I saw.
• 4:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 4:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's not because I said it, it's because of the whole story of what happened.
• 4:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think because I got moved so much by I was able to convey that same emotion in my video.
• 4:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I hope that you never give up.
• 4:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hope that you never stop.
• 4:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because if you're standing where I'm standing and looking at, you know, Chris Liversaglan, Oficionai, Chris and I are watching this, you know, we met five, six years ago.
• 5:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: We both started basically at the same time.
• 5:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I
• 5:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: just seeing all like the new wave of people coming up like you, when you have six to 10 years in and then you start looking back at all the young people, you will start to see that we are not capturing enough of the bow huns or not because there's only one Jason that did that, right?
• 5:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: But imagine that this stuff is going on all the time.
• 5:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, and I say this because I think that we need to have more people capturing more of these wonderful moments in the Vietnamese history, both in Vietnam and in the United States and Europe and Australia.
• 5:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: We need to have more Jason's and more young people because Chris and I are only two guys too.
• 5:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because you're inspired a lot of us and, you know, like you are actually doing something wonderful right now is your...
• 5:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: building a bank of stories, you know, you're capturing all of these stories from all of the Vietnamese Americans and the Vietnamese abroad right into this collection of stories.
• 6:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: And for me, I'm just like a story telling.
• 6:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I like telling, you know, my own personal story, but you are the collector of all these stories and, you know, I gotta give you the respect for that as well.
• 6:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Jason.
• 6:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate you so much.
• 6:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I do a friend to even just put have a sip on pause, or I don't know what the deal with Vietcetera and all of that is, but I wanna bring her up because of the work that she did, hundreds and hundreds of episodes that they put together for have a sip.
• 6:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's the equivalent of what I do at the Vietnamese podcast.
• 6:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: having more have a sip at the Vietnamese podcast and all of these proliferate into the world has actually strengthened the Vietnamese story around the world, you know, with have a sip, or with have with the Vietnamese podcast, when dynasty with your stock brand of storytelling, and I really do really want to encourage, constantly encourage more people to do this, you know?
• 7:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I 100% agree with that.
• 7:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think more people need to talk to each other, more people need to interview their parents, talk to their parents, you know, doesn't have to be on camera, right?
• 7:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: But at least, you know, like, there's actually, I was gifted a journal by Nancy Lume.
• 7:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: She sent me this journal that,
• 7:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: has all types of different questions I can think of in my years and write it down.
• 7:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: So shout out to Nancy for that because she gave me that over the weekend and you know like thinking of new questions to ask your parents could be really difficult, very hard.
• 7:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: You actually inspire some of the questions as well.
• 8:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: But
• 8:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Her giving me that, I'm able to, you know, like, find questions to ask my dad and then write it right down, but, you know, I encourage everybody, especially when you still have them to ask questions and to dig deeper into their story because everybody has a story and I just want to know.
• 8:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: what there is like, and if everybody can understand each other, right?
• 8:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: As we talked about earlier, a lot of Vietnamese like to bother their emotion and keep their stories inside.
• 8:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like when we start to understand each other more, we're able to see our differences, but then our similarities, and that's what's going to bring us to you.
• 8:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 8:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think we're all just getting started, man.
• 8:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.
• 8:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm really do.
• 8:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think we're all just like,
• 8:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: on the first phase of the work that we're doing.
• 8:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's for really new.
• 8:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's like six years, I have a sip started.
• 8:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I started at the same time to amend it.
• 9:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: She started a month before May, September 2020.
• 9:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: I started October 2020.
• 9:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: You just started.
• 9:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's like a blip.
• 9:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: But in 2030 years now, our stories are going to be so rich with how many episodes, how much material we have.
• 9:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it really will,
• 9:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: solidify sort of like our Vietnamese brand to the entire world, right?
• 9:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's the mission.
• 9:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's the beauty I think of working together in this space, right?
• 9:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I want you to know that like as many times as you need to reach out and be on my podcast,
• 9:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: You just say the word Jason, you know, you just say the word every member seeing seeing this like your podcast basically like a couple of years ago, maybe the start when I when I first started win dynasty is when I start seeing your podcast and it's it's crazy because um, I want to tell you the story is the reason why I started win dynasty is because I didn't feel like there was enough representation of Vietnamese people especially Vietnamese people living abroad
• 10:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't feel that representation coming back from Taiwan, like I was having that post-trip depression and nobody from Arizona was doing it, right?
• 10:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: And besides Chris from Lil Saigon, there wasn't a lot of Vietnamese merch or Vietnamese inspired building.
• 10:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I just felt the need to start something like where I could wear and I feel inspired wearing it, like my representation.
• 10:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: So
• 10:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: The funny thing is, the more I started talking about my story and all of this sharing it, I've discovered people like you, you know, like the niche within our own community.
• 10:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I feel so like now connected with the community before I was lost, before I was like fragmented and I was alone.
• 10:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: So now I feel like I'm not lonely anymore.
• 10:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: I have a community here that understand what I'm going through.
• 10:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm so glad I started the brand and it's not just for other people, but it's also a healing process for me as well.
• 11:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
• 11:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned Julie from Share My Roots.
• 11:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then there's Dana from, you know, she does the Gilbert Losek.
• 11:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: This covers Losek on and Los Angeles for everybody.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And Johnny from Vidcumedia.
• 11:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
• 11:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously we have our main man here, Losek on official,
• 11:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's a beautiful community in Vietnamese American content creation circles and I just hope it gets bigger and bigger and bigger because then we have more lily pads to jump out.
• 11:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I always say that.
• 11:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I love how everybody's doing something different, right?
• 11:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody's not doing the same thing.
• 11:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: like Johnny's reaching out to a more global audience.
• 11:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're interviewing people here.
• 11:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Chris is focusing on the low-side-on community and bridging that gap between everyone.
• 11:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: And for me, I feel like I'm trying to bridge that gap between Vietnam and Mars.
• 11:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: So everybody's doing something different.
• 12:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: And even though we have our own lane, we have the same mission.
• 12:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, but but I want to actually build on this what you're just saying.
• 12:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I actually want more people in my lane though.
• 12:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I want 30 40 Copycats with me spotcast because this is how I think
• 12:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: the more voices that are interviewing people in the community, like, if Johnny did it, if you did it, if Chris did it, and you guys, we all brought in the same people.
• 12:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: You could hear each person's style bring out a different part of the guess, right?
• 12:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: 100%.
• 12:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: And here's where I get the idea from.
• 12:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: In American mainstream podcasting 15 years ago, there were comedians that start to bring up friends that were relatively unknown, right?
• 12:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll just say it's a Joe Rogan podcast, right?
• 12:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 12:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: He started bringing in all these comedians that none of us knew.
• 12:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: After two years, we started to know who Joey Diaz was, Bill Burr, we started to know all these comedians, that came on the Joe Rogan show.
• 13:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they came on repeatedly, that's why I am always having an open door to my friends.
• 13:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: You to Chris, any of the people in the Vietnamese community that want to come back on, I'll have them back on over and over again, because that solidifies the ability for other people to know who you are in a deeper level, over and over and over.
• 13:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it also opens up the possibility that if my same friends have the same
• 13:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: podcast style that I'm doing that more people are going to tune into all the Vietnamese.
• 13:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And from that point, you lift it exponentially.
• 13:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I welcome people to jump in my niche and join me and actually would love for somebody to do this better than me because maybe I'm not doing the great, the greatest job, right?
• 13:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
• 13:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think you're doing everything.
• 13:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Jason.
• 13:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate that.
• 13:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: But we really don't know.
• 13:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And what if some young girl like you jumps in and go,
• 13:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: I welcome it.
• 13:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I encourage it.
• 14:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I want that to happen because I think that then I can go on that kid's plot.
• 14:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, right?
• 14:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if he's doing it really good, I want to be amplified over and over and over again.
• 14:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so that's that's what we're doing.
• 14:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, who was also really killing it right now is Ken.
• 14:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ken.
• 14:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 14:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: When.
• 14:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's, uh,
• 14:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, he used to work for a won't-food production too, right?
• 14:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I think like I grew up watching this.
• 14:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: But his heyday, his heyday was a like a like a dancer.
• 14:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
• 14:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah.
• 14:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Foreionics was huge when I was growing up, you know, when I was growing up.
• 14:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm older than-
• 14:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: But when I was coming up and we had a movie, we had a hip-hop film from Vietnam.
• 14:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we worked with Ken, but Ken was on the podcast, too, but he has such a beautiful podcast that he's on.
• 14:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's right now, yeah.
• 14:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's kind of Ken.
• 14:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's killing me, yeah, yeah.
• 14:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: We need more guys like that.
• 14:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: We need him, and we need many more to continue this dialogue.
• 15:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: What we want, you know?
• 15:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: What does it mean to be Vietnamese to you?
• 15:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.
• 15:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: It means a lot of things to me.
• 15:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, as I said, like, I'm not just American or Vietnamese.
• 15:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm both in a bowl.
• 15:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not 50% of each.
• 15:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's 100% of both.
• 15:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Being Vietnamese to me is not just about the food or the ally that we were, right?
• 15:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: To me, being Vietnamese is understanding our history.
• 15:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: But then what are we doing with that knowledge?
• 15:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: What are we doing to bridge the gap?
• 15:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right?
• 15:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Being Vietnamese to me feels beyond just like the cultural stuff.
• 15:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 15:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like what kind of impact am I doing for everyone else?
• 15:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because if you have the opportunity, I talked about this all the time is, if you have the opportunity to help out everybody from your community, why wouldn't you do things?
• 15:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 15:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Even if, you know, maybe they don't have
• 16:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: the greatest intention, but for you, you are doing what you think is benefiting your community.
• 16:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: I talk about this all the time is, let's not gatekeeper each other, let's promote each other even more, right?
• 16:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: And if they have a bad intention for me, then the many thing off of you, that's on them.
• 16:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: But you are just trying to help out everybody as much as possible.
• 16:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this idea of gatekeeping is very interesting because it can go two ways, right?
• 16:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 16:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Gatekeeping could be a very lethal thing if you really actively engage in keeping people out.
• 16:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it also creates this feeling of exclusivity to the members who are in the inside and on the outside.
• 16:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it serves as purpose.
• 16:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think
• 16:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: We probably should focus on dropping the gatekeeping.
• 16:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because I feel like, okay, the reason why I dislike gatekeeping so much is because I feel like the Vietnamese diaspora here grew up on
• 17:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: trying to survive and trying to, you know, basically survival of the fittest, right?
• 17:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: How can we overcome and come out on top?
• 17:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it comes with a lot of jealousy.
• 17:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot of jealousy when you see another person
• 17:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: do well, do well, do better than you.
• 17:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a competition.
• 17:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's the reason why I hate that word.
• 17:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Gaykeeping is because it's the competitive nature of Vietnamese people, right?
• 17:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe sometimes it's not, we don't want to do it purposely, but because of trying to survive in an environment where it wasn't designed for us in the first place, it's just something that comes out naturally for us, right?
• 17:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: make that disappear as much as possible, right?
• 17:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: And as you said, like, there's two side of gay keeping.
• 17:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: And one is protecting your IP and protecting your, like, you, but then also like, there's the other side of gay keeping where you're kind of like hiding resources from other people from your own community, right?
• 18:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Not like somebody else, but like from your own community, because you don't want them to outgrow you.
• 18:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 18:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's just a wrong mentality.
• 18:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
• 18:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, we can go deep on this gatekeeping topic.
• 18:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, yeah, there's a lot of new ones to this because I think members of our own community.
• 18:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Really practice gatekeeping and you can break down gatekeeping into many different levels.
• 18:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: holding on a resource, protecting your own resource, that's a real thing, not sharing your connections, that's a real thing.
• 18:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's so many different things that are pros and cons of gatekeeping, but ultimately, I think we lose, we all lose when we gatekeeping.
• 18:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
• 18:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, when you sign an NDA or something, that's different, you don't have to tell what you're doing, but I feel like, for example,
• 19:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: a little bit of why I hate it is, you know, when I was trying to grow my brain in Arizona, and there's a lot of people out there that
• 19:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: I respected.
• 19:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: So when I reached out to them and I was like, hey, can you show me how to develop an LLC or can we collaborate as I'm like this?
• 19:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't have to be big.
• 19:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: They deny me because of credential.
• 19:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have the following base.
• 19:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have any of this.
• 19:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: But then when I start to pick up, they reach out.
• 19:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: But then I see people who was riding with me
• 19:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: you know, like me gaining a few opportunities and at first they were willing to share some of their resources but then, you know, like, when I ask hey, where you get that blank, they're like, oh, go find out on your, wow.
• 20:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, they don't want to tell me.
• 20:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that is, and I always tell them where I get my stuff through.
• 20:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's just like, I don't know, it's because of that competition thing that we talked about earlier, but I feel like people don't want you to outgrow them.
• 20:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm guilty of it, too, in the early days, you know, definitely not in the last six years, because, you know, I learned my lesson about 15 years ago when I did it, somebody came to me for advice and connecting them with, I used to place movies from Vietnam and to US theaters, through Regal, AMC, I used to book films for theatrical releases.
• 20:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: a distributor, a upcoming distributor came to me, Vietnamese asked me, hey, can you make introductions to Regul and MC?
• 20:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, hell no, that's good.
• 20:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's like my bread and butter, and my partners would kill me, but yeah, right?
• 21:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like they paid a lot of money for me to be like, put me on the payroll to do all that deal.
• 21:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: That couldn't.
• 21:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: But looking back, I mean, was that a good idea to gay keep?
• 21:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, it was not.
• 21:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think today I pay the price of that relationship still.
• 21:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, when I, the more I look into it.
• 21:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's never, I think it's, it's definitely going to be a negative effect overall.
• 21:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, been a positive effect.
• 21:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: So for me, this is what, how I view it, right?
• 21:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can give.
• 21:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: people, the ingredients, but can they cook the same sauce as you?
• 21:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Her version.
• 21:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it doesn't matter if, you know, like you see in cooking shows, you, everybody have the same, even playing field, they all have the same ingredient, but can they cook a better, do than a better dish than you?
• 21:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: No.
• 21:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can lay out all the resources, right?
• 21:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: They have access to the same resources you, but whoever,
• 21:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: put in the work and putting the effort to do it, that's who's going to come out in the talk.
• 22:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, and I think ultimately, that really says everything about what we're giving in life, which is like that amount of salt, that amount of pepper will make a huge difference.
• 22:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: as you're cooking up your own content, your own dish.
• 22:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 22:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jason, thank you so much for coming on the podcast.
• 22:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was waiting for you so much.
• 22:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking forward to this talk, and I appreciate you.
• 22:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and again, thank you so much for having me.
• 22:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: And thank you, Chris, for letting us use your space.
• 22:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like the first time I came into here, you weren't here, but I was like,
• 22:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is like real.
• 22:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you come true, you know, because I live over in Phoenix.
• 22:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, finally, like, finally I'm here.
• 22:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, we're like, let's get you back on soon again.
• 22:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I look forward to the content that you create.
• 22:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Definitely.
• 22:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Awesome.
• 22:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, thank you.
• 22:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
• 22:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for listening to the Vietnamese with Kenneth Winn.
• 22:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Special thanks to Brittany Tran, to Jane Winn, Katherine Winn, Tina Fam, Sydney Jamie, and Crystal Tran.
• 23:03
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