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- 0:03Speaker 1: He was 13 years old. He was running a company
- 0:06Speaker 1: with offices in central London, a staff he paid in promises,
- 0:10Speaker 1: and a client list that stretched across the city. By
- 0:13Speaker 1: the time anyone thought to look closely, he had already
- 0:16Speaker 1: moved on. There is something in this case that stopped
- 0:19Speaker 1: me cold when I first came across it. Not the
- 0:22Speaker 1: scale of the fraud, but the age at which it began.
- 0:25Speaker 1: In July of 2004, a boy named James Blake Cameron
- 0:29Speaker 1: sat in his grandmother's house in West London and built
- 0:32Speaker 1: a website. He was 13. The site sold plasma televisions.
- 0:37Speaker 1: Orders came in. Money arrived in the form of checks
- 0:40Speaker 1: and postal orders. Tens of thousands of pounds flowing into
- 0:44Speaker 1: several bank accounts he had opened himself. Most of the
- 0:46Speaker 1: televisions never arrived. The customers waited. James moved on to
- 0:51Speaker 1: the next thing. He did not look like a criminal.
- 0:53Speaker 1: He looked like a child. Because he was one. And
- 0:57Speaker 1: that detail, the gap between what he appeared to be
- 1:00Speaker 1: and what he was actually doing, is the engine of
- 1:03Speaker 1: everything that follows. James Blake Cameron was born in 1990
- 1:06Speaker 1: in London. For the first 11 years of his life,
- 1:10Speaker 1: he lived with his mother. His father was never part
- 1:13Speaker 1: of the picture. When his mother died, James was 11
- 1:16Speaker 1: years old. He inherited approximately 16,000 pounds. What he did
- 1:20Speaker 1: with part of that money is the first sign of
- 1:22Speaker 1: something unusual. He spent it on books, criminology, business. He
- 1:28Speaker 1: was a child who had just lost the only parent
- 1:30Speaker 1: he had ever known. and he spent his inheritance studying
- 1:33Speaker 1: how systems work and how they fail. He went to
- 1:36Speaker 1: live with his grandmother in West London. The house was ordinary.
- 1:39Speaker 1: The neighborhood was ordinary. Nothing about the external circumstances suggested
- 1:44Speaker 1: what was quietly forming inside a boy with too much grief,
- 1:48Speaker 1: and too many books, and no one watching closely enough.
- 1:51Speaker 1: By the summer of 2004, the website was live. He
- 1:55Speaker 1: accepted orders for plasma televisions, opened multiple bank accounts, and
- 1:59Speaker 1: collected money from strangers who had no reason to doubt him.
- 2:02Speaker 1: He was operating from a residential address. He was 13.
- 2:06Speaker 1: The gap between the child anyone would have seen and
- 2:09Speaker 1: the operation he was running is a gap that nothing
- 2:12Speaker 1: rational can fully close. What happened next made it stranger.
- 2:16Speaker 1: Between July and October of 2004, Cameron did not slow down.
- 2:20Speaker 1: He rented office space in London on credit. He hired staff.
- 2:24Speaker 1: He gave them titles and responsibilities and the impression of
- 2:27Speaker 1: legitimate employment. He owed his first landlord approximately 8,000 pounds
- 2:32Speaker 1: by the time he disappeared without paying. The staff never
- 2:35Speaker 1: received wages, the offices were vacated, and James moved somewhere
- 2:39Speaker 1: new and began again. His declared role model was Frank
- 2:43Speaker 1: Abagmail Jr., the conman whose story became the film Catch
- 2:47Speaker 1: Me If You Can. Cameron told people around him that
- 2:50Speaker 1: he felt like that character, not with embarrassment, with something
- 2:53Speaker 1: closer to recognition. In January of 2005, police arrested him
- 2:58Speaker 1: for the television fraud. He was released under investigation. He
- 3:01Speaker 1: walked out and kept going. Within weeks of that arrest,
- 3:04Speaker 1: he was running two online stationery firms. He placed advertisements
- 3:09Speaker 1: for Dyson vacuum cleaners in national newspapers, a campaign that
- 3:13Speaker 1: cost approximately £ 20, 000 in December alone. He visited an airfield
- 3:18Speaker 1: in Northamptonshire with a woman he employed as his secretary.
- 3:21Speaker 1: and he spent an afternoon inspecting private jets as a
- 3:24Speaker 1: prospective buyer. He was 14 years old. In March of 2005,
- 3:30Speaker 1: he opened a new chauffeur account under the name Gemma,
- 3:33Speaker 1: a female alias, and spent £ 4, 000. Four months later, in
- 3:37Speaker 1: July of 2005, he sat across a table from a
- 3:41Speaker 1: woman named Emily Nash and offered her a job. Nash
- 3:44Speaker 1: was an undercover journalist for the Daily Mirror. She had
- 3:47Speaker 1: been sent to interview him. She arrived not knowing what
- 3:51Speaker 1: she would find. Cameron arrived not knowing who she was.
- 3:54Speaker 1: Two people performing roles neither had disclosed, sitting in the
- 3:58Speaker 1: same room, each believing they had the advantage. The Mercedes
- 4:01Speaker 1: that brought her there was dark blue. The business card
- 4:04Speaker 1: he handed her was embossed. The salary he offered, 32,000
- 4:08Speaker 1: pounds per year, was specific enough to feel real. She
- 4:12Speaker 1: left with the card. He left with the impression that
- 4:15Speaker 1: his empire was still intact. Neither of them was entirely right.
- 4:19Speaker 1: The arrest in January 2005 should have been the end
- 4:22Speaker 1: of it. That is what everyone assumed. A 13-year-old boy,
- 4:26Speaker 1: caught running a fake television business from his grandmother's spare room,
- 4:30Speaker 1: released under investigation while the police built their case. The
- 4:33Speaker 1: logical conclusion was obvious. The scheme collapses. The boy stops.
- 4:37Speaker 1: The system handles it. Cameron did not stop. Within weeks
- 4:41Speaker 1: of his arrest, he had launched two new online stationery firms.
- 4:45Speaker 1: He placed display advertisements for Dyson vacuum cleaners in national newspapers,
- 4:50Speaker 1: spending roughly £ 20, 000 on print space in December alone, money
- 4:54Speaker 1: he collected from customers who would never receive a single appliance.
- 4:58Speaker 1: He was 14 years old and operating on a scale
- 5:01Speaker 1: that most adults never attempt. The arrest had not frightened him.
- 5:05Speaker 1: It had, if anything, clarified something for him. The system
- 5:08Speaker 1: moved slowly, and he moved fast. That detail changes everything
- 5:13Speaker 1: about what comes next. He hired a secretary, not a classmate,
- 5:17Speaker 1: not a friend playing along, an actual adult employee who
- 5:20Speaker 1: believed she was working for a legitimate company. He had
- 5:23Speaker 1: her accompany him to an airfield in Northamptonshire, where he
- 5:27Speaker 1: spent an afternoon inspecting private jets, asking questions about charter
- 5:31Speaker 1: rates and maintenance schedules, performing the role of a young
- 5:35Speaker 1: entrepreneur evaluating his transport options. The airfield staff had no
- 5:39Speaker 1: reason to doubt him. He wore the right clothes, used
- 5:42Speaker 1: the right language, and his secretary stood beside him taking notes.
- 5:46Speaker 1: He was 14. In March 2005, he opened a private
- 5:51Speaker 1: chauffeur account under the name Gemma, a female alias he
- 5:54Speaker 1: used in email correspondence to add a layer of distance
- 5:58Speaker 1: between himself and the contracts. He spent £ 4, 000 through that
- 6:01Speaker 1: account in the first weeks. By June, a single-car firm
- 6:05Speaker 1: had billed him £ 7, 293. By April 2006, after one firm
- 6:11Speaker 1: closed his account for unpaid debts of £ 5, 543, he opened
- 6:16Speaker 1: a new account with the same company under a different
- 6:18Speaker 1: name and ran up £ 5, 000 more. The rational explanation at
- 6:22Speaker 1: this point was still available. A disturbed adolescent, compulsive behavior,
- 6:27Speaker 1: a cycle that would eventually exhaust itself Investigators were building
- 6:31Speaker 1: a case. The youth justice system had protocols. These things
- 6:35Speaker 1: take time. That explanation stopped working in July 2005. A
- 6:40Speaker 1: woman arrived for a job interview at the offices of
- 6:42Speaker 1: Worldwide Stationery. She had responded to an advertisement, then contacted
- 6:47Speaker 1: by email, and was now sitting across from a 15-year-old
- 6:50Speaker 1: boy in a well-cut suit who offered her a position
- 6:53Speaker 1: paying £ 32, 000 a year. He had arranged for a dark
- 6:56Speaker 1: blue Mercedes to collect her, He presented an embossed business card.
- 7:00Speaker 1: He spoke with the fluency and confidence of someone who
- 7:03Speaker 1: had done this many times. Because he had. Her name
- 7:06Speaker 1: was Emily Nash. She was an undercover journalist for the
- 7:09Speaker 1: Daily Mirror. She had not gone there to expose him specifically.
- 7:14Speaker 1: She had gone because the job offers seemed too clean,
- 7:16Speaker 1: too professional, too perfectional, too perfectly assembled. She sat across
- 7:21Speaker 1: from him and let him conduct the interview. And she
- 7:24Speaker 1: recorded everything. Two imposters. One rune. Neither one showing their hand,
- 7:30Speaker 1: Nash left with her story. Cameron left believing he had
- 7:33Speaker 1: hired an excellent candidate. The encounter only became symmetrical later,
- 7:37Speaker 1: when Nash's investigation connected with a tip from a woman
- 7:40Speaker 1: who had actually worked for Cameron for three weeks, been
- 7:42Speaker 1: promised £ 2, 000, never paid, and had been warned by police
- 7:47Speaker 1: that her employer was under active investigation. That employee had
- 7:51Speaker 1: called Nash directly, and Nash already had the interview on tape.
- 7:55Speaker 1: What the recording captured was not desperation or mania. It
- 7:58Speaker 1: was craft. Cameron's pitch to Nash was structured, unhurried, and specific.
- 8:04Speaker 1: He knew the salary range for that type of role.
- 8:07Speaker 1: He knew what a legitimate job offer sounded like. He
- 8:10Speaker 1: had studied it. He had spent part of his inheritance
- 8:13Speaker 1: on criminology books. He had been reading about con artists
- 8:16Speaker 1: and investigators since he was 11. Frank Abagnale Jr. was
- 8:20Speaker 1: not just a film he had watched. Cameron told friends
- 8:23Speaker 1: openly that he felt like the character from Catch Me
- 8:25Speaker 1: If You Can. He was not hiding the comparison. He
- 8:28Speaker 1: was claiming it. That admission does not make him sympathetic.
- 8:32Speaker 1: It makes him something harder to categorize. The moment Nico
- 8:35Speaker 1: Williamson chose to confront Cameron directly, he believed he had
- 8:39Speaker 1: the situation under control. Williamson owned Climate Cars, a private
- 8:43Speaker 1: hire company in London, between July and August 2008. Cameron
- 8:48Speaker 1: had been running up charges, individual rides, account billings, accumulated
- 8:53Speaker 1: debt that by September had passed 4,000 pounds. One day
- 8:57Speaker 1: alone produced 280. One pounds in charges. Williamson had done
- 9:02Speaker 1: the accounting. He knew what he was looking at. He
- 9:05Speaker 1: had Cameron brought to him. Cameron arrived, settled into the
- 9:08Speaker 1: back seat, and unwrapped a lollipop. He placed it in
- 9:12Speaker 1: his mouth and explained, with complete composure, that the invoices
- 9:16Speaker 1: had not yet reached their due date. He was not aggressive.
- 9:19Speaker 1: He was not flustered. He was not flustered. He sat there,
- 9:23Speaker 1: 17 years old, lollipop in hand, and managed the conversation
- 9:27Speaker 1: the way someone manages a minor administrative inconvenience, Williamson. A
- 9:32Speaker 1: grown man who ran a business found himself in the
- 9:35Speaker 1: position of having to argue with a teenager about whether
- 9:37Speaker 1: invoices that everyone in the car knew would never be
- 9:40Speaker 1: paid had technically come due. That image, the lollipop, the backseat,
- 9:45Speaker 1: the absolute stillness, is the one that stays. By September 2008,
- 9:49Speaker 1: two taxi firms had filed complaints. A hackney company reported
- 9:54Speaker 1: a debt of £ 4, 582 for the period July through August.
- 9:56Speaker 1: A Harrow company reported £ 21, 000. Cameron had also launched a
- 10:03Speaker 1: lingerie website, Finest Lingery Online, for which he had contracted photographers, models,
- 10:09Speaker 1: makeup artists and studios. None of them were paid. A
- 10:12Speaker 1: modelling agency lost approximately £ 10, 000. A photographer lost £ 8, 500. She
- 10:19Speaker 1: received an email from a company called Urban Fashion informing
- 10:22Speaker 1: her that it had entered voluntary liquidation. The email was signed.
- 10:27Speaker 1: She had no reason to know by a fiction. When
- 10:29Speaker 1: she tried to trace Urban Fashion, it dissolved in her hands.
- 10:33Speaker 1: Cameron had also at some point during this period threatened
- 10:37Speaker 1: at least one person who attempted to confront him more
- 10:39Speaker 1: aggressively than Williamson had. The threat was not physical. It
- 10:43Speaker 1: was a warning. Any attempt to force the issue would
- 10:46Speaker 1: constitute interference. He was a minor. He knew exactly what
- 10:50Speaker 1: that meant legally, and he used it. The phrase he
- 10:53Speaker 1: reportedly used to multiple victims, you can't touch me, I'm
- 10:58Speaker 1: under 18, was not bravado. It was a legal argument
- 11:01Speaker 1: delivered by someone who had done the research. The system
- 11:04Speaker 1: designed to protect children was being operated by one as
- 11:08Speaker 1: a shield. He had been to London Fashion Week. He
- 11:11Speaker 1: was spending £ 150 a night on taxis, attending industry events,
- 11:16Speaker 1: performing the life of a young entrepreneur in the creative sector.
- 11:19Speaker 1: He was 17. His juvenile record at this point was
- 11:23Speaker 1: already substantial. But juvenile records are sealed. Every new victim
- 11:27Speaker 1: met someone with no visible history. Every new firm that
- 11:30Speaker 1: took his account had no reason to check further than
- 11:33Speaker 1: a confident voice and a professional manner. His second arrest
- 11:37Speaker 1: came in 2008. His first adult court appearance came in
- 11:40Speaker 1: October 2009 at Southwark Crown Court when he turned 18.
- 11:45Speaker 1: The judge handed him 50 weeks, suspended. He walked out.
- 11:49Speaker 1: In March 2010, he appeared again. Eight counts of fraud
- 11:53Speaker 1: by false representation. One count of obtaining property by deception.
- 11:57Speaker 1: One count of obtaining services dishonestly. Total value, £ 82, 000. The
- 12:03Speaker 1: judge noted that Cameron had not re-offended in the five
- 12:06Speaker 1: months since his previous hearing. Fifty weeks. Suspended again. Cameron
- 12:11Speaker 1: walked out of Southwark Crown Court and told reporters he
- 12:14Speaker 1: had not expected that outcome. He said it like a
- 12:17Speaker 1: man who had just gotten lucky. The record suggests he
- 12:19Speaker 1: had expected it all along. There is a version of
- 12:22Speaker 1: this story where James Blake Cameron is explained by the
- 12:25Speaker 1: psychology of grief. A child loses his mother at 11.
- 12:29Speaker 1: He inherits 16,000 pounds and no one to guide what
- 12:33Speaker 1: it means. He fills the absence with structure, offices... employees,
- 12:38Speaker 1: business cards, because structure is the closest thing to stability
- 12:41Speaker 1: he can construct. The fraud is displacement. The performance is protection.
- 12:46Speaker 1: That version is coherent, and it is probably partially true.
- 12:50Speaker 1: It does not account for the lollipop. It does not
- 12:53Speaker 1: account for the fact that after his 2007 juvenile sentence,
- 12:56Speaker 1: six months in a youth custody center, six months of
- 12:59Speaker 1: community service, explicit prohibitions on using taxis and selling online,
- 13:05Speaker 1: He returned to exactly those activities within weeks. The restrictions
- 13:09Speaker 1: were not ambiguous. He simply did not observe them. When
- 13:12Speaker 1: he visited strip clubs and attended Fashion Week at 17
- 13:15Speaker 1: while under a supervision order, it was not impulsive. He
- 13:19Speaker 1: had calculated that the cost of those choices was manageable.
- 13:22Speaker 1: He was right. The deeper question is not why Cameron
- 13:25Speaker 1: ran cons. The deeper question is why the system's response
- 13:29Speaker 1: is arrest, release, sentence, suspension, Second sentence, second suspension, functioned
- 13:36Speaker 1: as data points in his model rather than as deterrence.
- 13:39Speaker 1: He was not undeterred because he was reckless. He was
- 13:42Speaker 1: undeterred because each encounter with the system confirmed the same thing.
- 13:46Speaker 1: The gap between what the law said and what the
- 13:48Speaker 1: law did was wide enough to operate in. A photographer
- 13:52Speaker 1: lost 8,500 pounds and received a liquidation notice from a
- 13:56Speaker 1: company that never existed. She had no legal recourse that
- 14:00Speaker 1: moved faster than Cameron did. A modeling agency lost 10,000 pounds.
- 14:05Speaker 1: Nico Williamson lost 4,000. Each of them did what you
- 14:09Speaker 1: are supposed to do. They reported. They documented. They waited.
- 14:14Speaker 1: The process ground forward at the speed of institutions. Cameron
- 14:17Speaker 1: moved at the speed of a teenager with nothing scheduled
- 14:20Speaker 1: on Thursday. By the time he was named publicly, March 23rd, 2010,
- 14:27Speaker 1: The day he turned 18, the police estimated his total
- 14:30Speaker 1: take at approximately 250,000 pounds across his career. The two
- 14:34Speaker 1: adult sentences together suspended every week of custody they imposed.
- 14:39Speaker 1: He enrolled in a fashion course. No further charges have
- 14:42Speaker 1: been recorded. The case leaves one question that has no
- 14:45Speaker 1: clean answer, whether Cameron was a damaged child running from
- 14:48Speaker 1: grief or a calculating operator who understood the architecture of
- 14:52Speaker 1: consequence and found it workable Were both of those things
- 14:56Speaker 1: layered inside the same person? That question is still open.
- 15:00Speaker 1: What is not open is the accounting. Roughly 250,000 pounds.
- 15:05Speaker 1: Two suspensions. One fashion course. The lollipop stays in the image.
- 15:10Speaker 1: He was 17. Sitting in the back of a car
- 15:13Speaker 1: belonging to a man he owed thousands of pounds to.
- 15:16Speaker 1: And he was completely calm. Not performing calm. Calm. Whatever
- 15:21Speaker 1: was happening inside James Blake Cameron in that moment. It
- 15:24Speaker 1: did not look like a child who had lost his way.
- 15:27Speaker 1: It looked like someone who had arrived exactly where he
- 15:30Speaker 1: meant to be. In October 2009, James Blake Cameron stood
- 15:34Speaker 1: in Southwark Crown Court for the first time as an
- 15:36Speaker 1: adult defendant. He was 18 years old. The judge handed
- 15:40Speaker 1: down 50 weeks, suspended. Five months later, Cameron was back
- 15:44Speaker 1: in the same building, facing eight counts of fraud by
- 15:47Speaker 1: false representation, one count of obtaining property by deception, and
- 15:52Speaker 1: one count of obtaining services dishonestly. The total across those charges, 82,000 pounds.
- 15:58Speaker 1: The judge noted that Cameron had not reoffended in the
- 16:01Speaker 1: five months since his first appearance. He handed down another
- 16:05Speaker 1: 50 weeks, suspended. Cameron walked out of the courthouse and
- 16:09Speaker 1: told a reporter he had not expected that outcome. That
- 16:12Speaker 1: sentence carries more weight than it first appears. He had
- 16:15Speaker 1: spent six years building an empire of borrowed credibility, and
- 16:18Speaker 1: the system had suspended his sentence twice. What he had
- 16:21Speaker 1: not expected was mercy. The system that was designed to
- 16:25Speaker 1: protect minors had shielded him through adolescence, and now, as
- 16:28Speaker 1: an adult, it had shown restraint a second time. The
- 16:31Speaker 1: gap he had worked inside for years had not closed.
- 16:34Speaker 1: It had simply changed shape. The police estimated that across
- 16:37Speaker 1: his entire operation, Cameron had moved approximately 250,000 pounds through fraud.
- 16:43Speaker 1: That figure is not a judicial finding. It is an estimate.
- 16:47Speaker 1: No court ever bound a number to the full scope
- 16:49Speaker 1: of what he built between the ages of 13 and 17.
- 16:53Speaker 1: because so much of it happened while he was legally untouchable.
- 16:56Speaker 1: The anonymous employee who had worked for him for three
- 16:59Speaker 1: weeks and was owed roughly £ 2, 000 when the police warned
- 17:03Speaker 1: her off, she never collected that debt. Nico Williamson, the
- 17:07Speaker 1: climate cars owner who confronted a teenager in the backseat
- 17:10Speaker 1: calmly eating a lollipop, recovered some portion of his losses
- 17:13Speaker 1: through civil action, but the record does not confirm a
- 17:16Speaker 1: full return. The photographer who lost £ 8, 500 to the fictional
- 17:21Speaker 1: liquidation of urban fashion The modeling agency that lost approximately 10,000 pounds.
- 17:26Speaker 1: For them, the suspended sentences were not mercy. They were arithmetic.
- 17:31Speaker 1: There is something specific that stays with this case after
- 17:34Speaker 1: every other detail fades. Cameron told friends he felt like
- 17:37Speaker 1: the boy from Catch Me If You Can. He admired
- 17:40Speaker 1: Frank Abagnale. He had read the books, studied the mechanics,
- 17:43Speaker 1: and then applied them at 13, with an inheritance that
- 17:46Speaker 1: should have been a safety net. That inheritance came from
- 17:49Speaker 1: his mother, who died when he was 11. The money
- 17:52Speaker 1: she left him, roughly 16,000 pounds, went toward Plasma TV websites,
- 17:58Speaker 1: office leases, stationery company accounts, and business books. It funded
- 18:03Speaker 1: the first version of what he would become. Whatever she
- 18:06Speaker 1: intended for those 16,000 pounds, it built the scaffolding for
- 18:10Speaker 1: six years of fraud across dozens of victims. By his
- 18:13Speaker 1: early 20s, according to the available record, Cameron had enrolled
- 18:17Speaker 1: in a fashion course. No new charges followed. The boy
- 18:20Speaker 1: who had dressed in designer suits at 14, who had
- 18:23Speaker 1: printed embossed business cards, and offered a journalist a salary
- 18:27Speaker 1: of £ 32, 000 a year apparently stepped off the stage he
- 18:30Speaker 1: had built and into something quieter. Whether that represented genuine
- 18:34Speaker 1: change or simply a pause, no record confirms. The detail
- 18:39Speaker 1: that does not leave is the lollipop. Not the suspended sentences.
- 18:43Speaker 1: Not the 250,000 pounds. Not even the moment when Emily
- 18:47Speaker 1: Nash sat across from a 14-year-old who thought he was
- 18:50Speaker 1: interviewing her while she was recording everything he said. The lollipop.
- 18:55Speaker 1: Nico Williamson confronted a teenager who wrote him 4,000 pounds.
- 18:59Speaker 1: And that teenager sat in the back seat, unhurried, and
- 19:03Speaker 1: explained that the invoices had not yet come due. His
- 19:06Speaker 1: voice was calm. His expression gave nothing away. He was
- 19:10Speaker 1: 17 years old and he had been doing this for
- 19:12Speaker 1: four years, and somewhere in that interval the performance had
- 19:15Speaker 1: stopped being performance. It had become the only register he knew.
- 19:19Speaker 1: Cameron had started at 13 with a dead mother's inheritance
- 19:23Speaker 1: and a library of books about how systems work and
- 19:26Speaker 1: how people trust. He had learned that confidence is a currency,
- 19:29Speaker 1: that the right suit and a printed card and a
- 19:32Speaker 1: dark blue Mercedes at the curb will carry a person
- 19:35Speaker 1: past almost any reasonable checkpoint. He had learned this not
- 19:39Speaker 1: from a mentor or a criminal network, But from reading,
- 19:42Speaker 1: and from practice, and from a legal architecture that told
- 19:45Speaker 1: him repeatedly that consequence was deferred, the system built to
- 19:49Speaker 1: protect children had protected him. The question it leaves behind
- 19:52Speaker 1: is not whether Cameron was brilliant, or broken, or both.
- 19:57Speaker 1: The question is what the invoice has actually said. The
- 20:00Speaker 1: ones he told Nico Williamson had not yet come due,
- 20:03Speaker 1: because in every deal Cameron ever made, the invoice existed.
- 20:07Speaker 1: He printed them, signed them, sent them on letterhead from
- 20:10Speaker 1: companies that had no assets and no intention of paying.
- 20:13Speaker 1: He just always made sure someone else was holding it
- 20:15Speaker 1: when it came due. He was still holding the lollipop
- 20:18Speaker 1: when Williamson walked away. This show is made by Oboe Media.