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Design Trends That Matter: Inside KBIS 2025 with Andy Yates · Repcolite Home Improvement Show

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  Speaker 1: Hey everyone, thanks for tuning in. You're listening to Home
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  Speaker 1: in Progress sponsored by repcoll Like Paints and Benjamin More.
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  Speaker 1: And today I've got a really interesting show that I
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  Speaker 1: put together back in February. We're just going to jump
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  Speaker 1: right in because there's a lot of stuff to cover.
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  Speaker 1: Back in February, the Kitchen and bath Industry show CABIZ
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  Speaker 1: took over Las Vegas with some of the biggest names
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  Speaker 1: in design and innovation. More than forty three thousand people
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  Speaker 1: came through nearly seven hundred exhibitors, and it was all
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  Speaker 1: part of Design and Construction Week, which drew in over
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty four thousand visitors total. Now I
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  Speaker 1: wasn't there, but my guest was, designer Andy Yates is
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  Speaker 1: here in the studio to help us unpack what he
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  Speaker 1: saw at CABIZ twenty twenty five. Andy, Welcome back.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Dan. It is great to be back. I
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  Speaker 2: appreciate the chance to talk about one of the largest
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  Speaker 2: market segments in the interiors and homer modeling industry, which
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  Speaker 2: is kitchens and bathrooms.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so paint the scene for us. You know, what
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  Speaker 1: was it like being at something like that at CABIZ
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  Speaker 1: this year? You know the size, the energy, the atmosphere.
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  Speaker 2: So I do need to correct you and state that
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  Speaker 2: I was not able to attend this year. Actually correct,
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  Speaker 2: I was not able to make it to Vegas in
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  Speaker 2: the winter. I was in Mexico, unfortunately. I was on
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  Speaker 2: the beach in Puerto Varta.
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  Speaker 1: Well, is there somebody that we can talk to who
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  Speaker 1: was there?
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  Speaker 2: I can give you fake it.
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  Speaker 1: All of the Yeah, okay, perfect, Andy's gonna.
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  Speaker 2: Fake it, or you can just edit it out that
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't there.
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  Speaker 1: No, I think that's hilarious. I'm not going to edit
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  Speaker 1: that out. We live, We live honestly, Annie, Andy, Annie, Yeah, Andy,
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  Speaker 1: and I make a.
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  Speaker 2: Lot of mistakes authentic.
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  Speaker 1: I'm willing to own that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I will say that the early bird ticketing for twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty six cabiz actually has been extended through October, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking at the dates thinking I will go to
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  Speaker 2: Vegas this winter.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so you can make the next one.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, But I keep my face on the pulse
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  Speaker 2: of what's happening because it is such an important part
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  Speaker 2: of my business specifically, but also the business of home
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  Speaker 2: in general. Like I mentioned, a multi billion dollar industry
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  Speaker 2: that really does precipitate into every human's life. It's everyone eats,
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  Speaker 2: everybody poops, right, Everyone has a bathroom, Everyone has a
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  Speaker 2: kitchen essentially most people or access to one that they use, right. Plus,
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  Speaker 2: these are very critical spaces in the home. Generally speaking,
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  Speaker 2: when you're not sleeping, the first place you are in
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  Speaker 2: the last place you are in your home is in
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  Speaker 2: a bathroom, and most, if not all, meals are prepared
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  Speaker 2: and eaten in and around a kitchen. So no matter
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  Speaker 2: the size of those spaces, they are very critical to
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  Speaker 2: the way we live and the way we function, especially
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  Speaker 2: because they are spaces so specifically based on human function.
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  Speaker 2: Like we take in, we put out. These are where
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  Speaker 2: we store food, which we need to survive. There's spaces
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  Speaker 2: in our homes where that provide us with water and sanitation.
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  Speaker 2: So it's extremely important spaces and we've always known this,
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  Speaker 2: right the adage in real estate, like kitchens and bathrooms
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  Speaker 2: sell houses because they're expensive also to renovate because they
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  Speaker 2: layer in every trade. Your plumbers, your electricians, your carpenters,
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  Speaker 2: your tile setters. You know you've got dry wallers. You
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  Speaker 2: have products that blend water and electricity. So there's safety
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  Speaker 2: issues that really don't exist in a place like your
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  Speaker 2: den where you chill out or you know, your bedroom
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  Speaker 2: where you essentially sleep and maybe get dressed. So cabiz
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  Speaker 2: is always a very exciting opportunity to see what these
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  Speaker 2: industry behemoths like you said, Delta, Breezo, mow In, Cohler, Toto,
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  Speaker 2: and the kitchen side right like Wolf, sub Zero, Fisher,
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  Speaker 2: pikele thermidor all of the appliance brands from you know, Whirlpool,
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  Speaker 2: which we have locally here in Michigan, up to like
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  Speaker 2: the international exhibitors right which there were a couple of
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  Speaker 2: hundred that came from international markets this year. It is
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  Speaker 2: a show that both intends to wow with a lot
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  Speaker 2: of flashy, you know, marketing propaganda, so you'll see things
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  Speaker 2: that you would see only at a convention like that
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  Speaker 2: that necessarily might not trickle down into daily living. Sure,
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  Speaker 2: but the show really this year was about sustainability, functionality, technology,
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  Speaker 2: and personalization. So we saw all of these confluences happening
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  Speaker 2: from every vendor, from every product launch and every experiential
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  Speaker 2: launch there I guess too, we'll talk about it. But Cohler,
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  Speaker 2: who is you know, based here in the Midwest, a
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  Speaker 2: global juggernaut in this industry. They had an extremely engaging
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  Speaker 2: and interesting booth this year, and I think it was
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  Speaker 2: rated as the top experience for almost all show goers.
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  Speaker 2: So they really brought it home. And the reason being
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  Speaker 2: is that they really kind of hit all of the
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  Speaker 2: trends and the influences of the industry. So they had technology. Right,
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  Speaker 2: These are voice activated showers and toilets, things that are
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  Speaker 2: enabled with Wi Fi and Bluetooth.
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  Speaker 1: So you voice activated shower and toilet. Yeah, like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: turn on, now I want the water whatever degrees, flush
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  Speaker 1: the toilet and now what am I talking to my
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  Speaker 1: toilet for? Right?
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  Speaker 2: Smart technology?
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  Speaker 1: But why am I future my toilet? What am I saying?
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  Speaker 2: So you're essential therapist.
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  Speaker 1: A busy day today it's been maybe you know how
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to get through it?
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  Speaker 2: You know, with the advent of AI and these language
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  Speaker 2: models that people are using as friends and therapists, have
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  Speaker 2: a seat and talk to your shower about your problems.
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  Speaker 2: It's cathartic and maybe healing in some way. You know,
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  Speaker 2: those spaces where we rejuvenate and regenerate. And so with
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  Speaker 2: like smart toilet technology, it's able to tell you first
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  Speaker 2: of all, keeping track of the mechanics of let's say
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  Speaker 2: you're plumbing fixtures to see if anything's wrong, monitoring water pressure,
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  Speaker 2: why toilet's doing that temperature. Yeah, so these smart toilets
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  Speaker 2: would inevitably be able to tell you if there's a
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  Speaker 2: leak in the tank. These toilets are also the technology
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  Speaker 2: in a toilet is a little different because it's more
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  Speaker 2: about the functionality of having a heated seat, having a
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  Speaker 2: toilet that's sanitized with UV light every night, having you know,
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  Speaker 2: bidet functions for cleanliness, having the ability to you know,
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  Speaker 2: not have to touch it. So auto seat lifting, auto flushing.
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  Speaker 2: We saw this in you know, a lot of shower
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  Speaker 2: technology released from companies where you can in the morning
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  Speaker 2: preset your shower to come on at the exact time
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  Speaker 2: you want, at the exact temperature. If you need to
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  Speaker 2: jump into the shower quickly, you can tell your phone
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  Speaker 2: as you're driving home. You know, hey, phone, I won't
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  Speaker 2: say the names a our phones don't talk to us.
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  Speaker 2: You can say like, hey, smart intelligence, turn on the
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  Speaker 2: shower for Dan or you know, spouse, a spouse, b
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  Speaker 2: run a bath for the kids. Right, All of these
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  Speaker 2: ways in which having these fixtures and appliances in the
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  Speaker 2: kitchen at our disposal immediately to help us run and
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  Speaker 2: organize our lives. Most of these companies would say better,
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  Speaker 2: more efficiently, easier, less stressful. Right, what technology is is
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  Speaker 2: supposed to do.
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  Speaker 1: So the colar booth was just name so.
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  Speaker 2: That coler booth. They really nailed it, and they weren't
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  Speaker 2: the only ones by any means, but I will say
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  Speaker 2: they to sort of use it as a microcosm of
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  Speaker 2: what's happening, so they really hit all of the themes. Right.
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  Speaker 2: They have that integration of a lot of smart technology,
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  Speaker 2: and again so do all of the others. Toto, Breezo,
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  Speaker 2: the major appliance brands on the kitchen side right are
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  Speaker 2: having your refrigerator monitor your temperature in all of the zones.
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  Speaker 2: Refrigerators with cameras are introduced.
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  Speaker 1: Welmra's showing the inside. Yes, I can see what's inside
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  Speaker 1: without opening the door or.
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  Speaker 2: Is it correct? Correct? You can see how much of
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  Speaker 2: a certain ingredient or produce or beverage you have without
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  Speaker 2: opening the refrigerator. It will not only monitor the temperature
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  Speaker 2: of all of your zones, but you know it would
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  Speaker 2: visually see if you are like getting low on something.
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  Speaker 2: It can tell you it's fascinating.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: Some of the refrigeration systems. Similarly with cooking systems, I
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  Speaker 2: think there was an I don't remember the exact brand. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: one manufacturer had placed a camera in the oven, so
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  Speaker 2: you don't have to have a glass door, you don't
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  Speaker 2: have to crouch down. If it's under counter, you don't
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  Speaker 2: have to open it to look at the temperature of.
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  Speaker 1: Your recliner and check the fohone I'm assuming.
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  Speaker 2: Put the cast roll in, stick the thermometer in it,
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  Speaker 2: and walk away. Your oven will tell you. You can
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  Speaker 2: check in on it at any time. You can see
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  Speaker 2: if it's bubbling and ready to go. You know, if
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  Speaker 2: you want to set the timer for a couple of
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  Speaker 2: more minutes, you don't have to get up. You don't
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  Speaker 2: have to stop what you're doing. You can Netflix and
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  Speaker 2: chill and let your dinner bake itself. Essentially.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: So there's a lot of integral technology, which was huge
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  Speaker 2: this year, But that real big picture of everything was
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  Speaker 2: like we see technology and much like we've discussed recently
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  Speaker 2: for this Colors of the Year palette, we also saw
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  Speaker 2: a lot of shift toward warm, rich natural colors like
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  Speaker 2: the color of the year for twenty twenty five is
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  Speaker 2: slash wiz is until they announce it on October sixteenth,
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  Speaker 2: if that hasn't already happened when we air this episode
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  Speaker 2: Cinnamon Slate, Right, But the idea of a lot of
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  Speaker 2: the colors and materials released at cabiz where that they
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  Speaker 2: were natural copper making a huge comeback, but natural earthy materials,
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  Speaker 2: white and gray kitchens, the grayness of stainless steel, the
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  Speaker 2: stark whiteness of sterile kind of cabinetry and appliances is
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  Speaker 2: gone gone. It's gone. Color has reintroduced a lot of
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  Speaker 2: the colors toilets and sinks from like the forties and fifties, so.
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  Speaker 1: I know they did that a couple of years ago. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I think last year they added.
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  Speaker 2: And they're expanding that, right, So we've seen that sort
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  Speaker 2: of initial reaction to what designers were craving, which I've
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  Speaker 2: long been personally, like coordinating plumbing fixtures with the color
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  Speaker 2: palette of the house. So sometimes white is the right
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  Speaker 2: toye for a toilet, sometimes bone, sometimes beige, sometimes black,
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  Speaker 2: although rarely I'm not a fan personally, but if it works,
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  Speaker 2: it works, And it's the same with fixtures. So we
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  Speaker 2: saw these metal finishes in the last few years shift
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  Speaker 2: toward more blacks, gun metals, right, a kind of darker,
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  Speaker 2: more masculine palette. Well this year now it's like back
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  Speaker 2: to warm bronzes, warm golds, warm coppers, oak, kitchen cabinets,
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  Speaker 2: oak as a natural expression of the species and sort
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  Speaker 2: of naturally stained like honey oak, old oak. We see
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  Speaker 2: that resurgeon that's resurging.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and I knew I kept mine just as
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  Speaker 1: they were, Yeah, for a good reason.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we saw that in these just really rich earthy
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  Speaker 2: tones and then natural expressions of tones, so like dramatic marbles,
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  Speaker 2: not your sort of soft curated carreras with a lot
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  Speaker 2: of like gray and white. We see the addition of
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  Speaker 2: more leather and different kind of like mixed materials. So
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  Speaker 2: there's wonderful hardware collections from companies like Belt with Keeler,
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  Speaker 2: who's another local company that I personally enjoy using, but
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  Speaker 2: even you know, the largest ones like m Tech and
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  Speaker 2: Colonial Bronze Ashley Norton. So we see a lot more
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  Speaker 2: of these resurgence of people's interest in wood hardware, hardware
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  Speaker 2: with leather and tech styles, mixed metals again, going into
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  Speaker 2: those really warm, earthier tones, and we see that in
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  Speaker 2: some of the reflections of colors and textures again like
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  Speaker 2: thinking about adding textures to areas. Specifically, fluting was all
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  Speaker 2: over the place, which has been happening for a couple
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  Speaker 2: of years now, but really you saw fluting everywhere. So
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  Speaker 2: readed cabinet doors, fluted cabinet doors, fluted panels all over
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  Speaker 2: the place, and colors that were, like I said, earthy,
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  Speaker 2: but also jewel tones. Again maybe for the show in general,
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  Speaker 2: but jewel tones are kind of classically never going out
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  Speaker 2: of style. They are rich, they are elegant, and they
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  Speaker 2: work right in with those warm, natural, earthy palettes. So
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  Speaker 2: you saw a lot of rubies and garnets and emeralds.
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  Speaker 2: That was essentially the trend of color and material.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Andy, you mentioned a couple of broad themes that
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  Speaker 1: you saw in the show. You mentioned sustainability. I can't
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  Speaker 1: remember the other ones that you talked about, but what
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  Speaker 1: were some of the broader themes that you spotted.
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  Speaker 2: So the overall themes were really about personalization of spaces, sustainability,
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  Speaker 2: and an emphasis on quality. So we see that the
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  Speaker 2: industry is looking at being more sustainable and focusing less
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  Speaker 2: on the idea of fast fill in the blank. So
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  Speaker 2: we have like fast food, fast fashion. It's sort of
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  Speaker 2: like fast interiors, things that are more inexpensively made and
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  Speaker 2: they're meant to essentially rotate out of your home within
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  Speaker 2: three to five years. It's kind of the hospitality model, right,
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  Speaker 2: like a hotel generally wants to renovate every three to
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  Speaker 2: five years to sort of just stay fresh. Plus they
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  Speaker 2: get a lot of wear and tear they ultimately need to.
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  Speaker 2: But in the home, we see more people, especially younger people,
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  Speaker 2: wanting to save their money and invest in high quality
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  Speaker 2: products and then understand that they will have longevity and
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  Speaker 2: they will last, and then splurge on items that are
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  Speaker 2: really important to them. So instead of rushing through, we
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  Speaker 2: see homeowners builders to some extent as well, looking toward
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  Speaker 2: investing in higher quality materials and splurging where they know
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  Speaker 2: it's worth it. So we're talking about larger rois. Right,
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  Speaker 2: If you don't cook, why have a ten thousand dollars range? Really,
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  Speaker 2: why you know to boil? You can do that as
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  Speaker 2: easily can do.
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  Speaker 1: That on a real cheap one.
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  Speaker 2: I do it every now, and a very inexpensive basic
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  Speaker 2: range right, Yeah, the home chef trend will always exist
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  Speaker 2: because there are foodies and cooks and people who are
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  Speaker 2: avidly dedicated and loyal to brands, and it's very important
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  Speaker 2: for them to understand the intricacies of their appliances and
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  Speaker 2: that they do what they need to do. But that
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  Speaker 2: plays into the trend, which I won't even say is
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  Speaker 2: a trend. I think it's just a return to the
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  Speaker 2: idea of personalization, buying what you want for how you
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  Speaker 2: actually live, and not becoming susceptible to marketing peer pressure, right,
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  Speaker 2: and consumer peer pressure, like the idea that you must
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  Speaker 2: have maybe what your neighbor has or your friend has.
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  Speaker 2: And again I say this especially in younger consumers who
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  Speaker 2: are less inclined to want to invest in their first
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  Speaker 2: home or their first major kitchen or bath renovation using
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  Speaker 2: budget as the driving factor. So that's what we talk
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  Speaker 2: about in kind of that save and splurge idea. It's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I want the shower with all of the tech and
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  Speaker 2: with all of the amenities that were so popular this year.
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  Speaker 2: On another trend like health and wellness, Like you're not
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  Speaker 2: just sanitation for health and wellness, but these showers and
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  Speaker 2: these baths that give you chroma therapy, aroma therapy, water,
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  Speaker 2: different hydrotherapies. Food as nutrition, right, and we always say
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  Speaker 2: food is love, right. It's the way that many people
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  Speaker 2: express their love for their families and friends and guests.
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  Speaker 2: And cooking is more than just preparing food as fuel.
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  Speaker 2: And so there's a real emphasis on wellness and how
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  Speaker 2: to properly preserve food and again in that so all
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  Speaker 2: of that is coming out that that's wellness nutrition. The
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  Speaker 2: emphasis that we have now on like fresher food, you know,
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  Speaker 2: farm to table, well, we have to think about food
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  Speaker 2: without a lot of preservatives does not stay preserved as long.
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  Speaker 2: So the refrigeration of it, the storage of it, how
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  Speaker 2: are companies innovating to make me eat that demand? And
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  Speaker 2: then how is that food prepared on your range in
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  Speaker 2: your oven. People love multifunctional appliances. So having just renovated
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  Speaker 2: my kitchen last year, I am lucky enough to have
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  Speaker 2: a relationship locally with Beacons and I worked with Fisher
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  Speaker 2: pikel for all of my appliances. And I have what
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  Speaker 2: one could say generically as a microwave, but ultimately they
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  Speaker 2: call it a speed oven and it has twenty seven
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  Speaker 2: different cooking settings. It convects at microwave cooks, it aerobakes,
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  Speaker 2: So you have one applys that can replace four to
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  Speaker 2: five small appliances. I have an oven similarly right that
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  Speaker 2: is also a smart oven, an induction cook top that
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  Speaker 2: has the ability to be like not only a safer
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  Speaker 2: way to cook, but very specifically the refrigerator right with
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  Speaker 2: different zones and temperature settings. And all of this was
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  Speaker 2: seen as a trend in home appliances. Right personalization, a
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  Speaker 2: return to wellness, creating fresh foods, cooking fresh foods, storing
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  Speaker 2: food properly. That was very important and it aligns with
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  Speaker 2: our return to nature, natural color palette, natural materials, and
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  Speaker 2: biophilic design. People wanting to be able to grow their
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  Speaker 2: own food at home. There was a whole section of
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  Speaker 2: caps for like hydroponics and people growing food. Let's say
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  Speaker 2: growing whatever they want, but we'll say herbs plants that
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  Speaker 2: are edible. There was an emphasis on that too, and
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  Speaker 2: people wanting to introduce microgreens into their diets. So we
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  Speaker 2: see not only the storage and preparation of food, but
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  Speaker 2: the actual creation of food or a family event.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, And these showers that have all of these spa Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: paramedical features really.
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  Speaker 1: Important, like the bathrooms a spa now.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely and it always has trended that way. I mean
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  Speaker 2: that's sort of the established way of you know, the
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  Speaker 2: luxury market, and what we see available now more readily
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  Speaker 2: to homeowners at a better price point honestly or save
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  Speaker 2: in splurge price point is the shower that can can
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  Speaker 2: give you steam and can give you water massages, and
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  Speaker 2: it really is a space to be well. Again, we've
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  Speaker 2: talked about how chaotic and uncertain the world seems to
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  Speaker 2: be right now, and everybody's inundated with messaging and marketing
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  Speaker 2: and social media and you're always available on your phone
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  Speaker 2: and people are working from home, but really that just
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  Speaker 2: means they're kind of working more and they don't have
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  Speaker 2: a space to retreat. Bathrooms are quintessentially spaces of you know, rejuvenation,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: relaxation and wellness in general. It's like cleanse your body,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: you know, cleanse your mind. And in the kitchen we
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: see that in people reconnecting with their family and loved
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: ones and just getting their hands dirty creating something right. Yes,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: there's technology there, but it's being used as a tool
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: to enhance that for individuals rather than sort of to
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: be distracting and to try to sell you something.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: So when you're talking, what I'm hearing is like cash
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: register bells going off because this just sounds so expensive. Now,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: I know you mentioned this idea of save and splurts
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: and makes a lot of sense. You know, I'll buy
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: the important, the things that really matter to me. I'm
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: gonna splurge on those things. I'll save money on some
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: of these other things. So help me, help me just
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: practically think that through in a bathroom. You know, let's
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: say the shower is that item for me, so you're
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: seeing people or you can envision. Have I have I
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: broken the set? It almost feels like, Okay, the shower talks,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: the toilets could talk, the sinks could do whatever, and
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: that's like a nice little set. Can I get a
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: toilet that's stupid and a shower that's super smart and
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: they're not gonna it's not gonna look weird, feel weird.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Everything's gonna work together. I'm trying to understand, how can
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: I get, like, maybe a better thing would be the toilet,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: because I know a toilet that does all these things
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: is really really fancy looking. They don't look like a
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: normal toilet. The ones I've seen they can be. Yeah,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: they can look like a normal toilet, right you.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: So any homeowner right now can purchase bidet seat to
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: replace the seat they have on their current toilet. Now
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: you need the right the parameter being you need to
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: have the electricity sure properly installed, and it is. There's
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: two types. You would want. One that has an integrated
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: heater for the water for the bidet function, unless you're
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: okay with a cold water bidet which is refreshing and refreshing.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: But you know, toilets don't have hot water lines, so
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: you can you can buy bidet seats that are i
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: think just water pressure fed and attach it to your
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: toilet's supply line. Pretty basic stuff, Pretty basic and just upgrade.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: You can, for example, take remove your current kitchen faucet
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: and put in a faucet that is bluetooth activated, voice activated,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: touchless for relatively you know, a low investment, but to
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: have that amenity if you want to mix and match,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: of course, there are still lots of options to have
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: I would say, like unsmart appliances or unsmart rather rather
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: like dumb. But let's say like mechanical, right, or basic
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: in the way that I know some people want to
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: live like some some individuals.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Right recoil at the idea.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: I don't want a camera in my refrigerator. I don't
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: want a camera in my house, right, I don't need
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: my shower listening to me. I understand that. And not
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: everybody wants the shower that has artificial intelligence built into
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: it with you know, music and steam and aromatherapy and massage.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: They'd rather, you know, experience that elsewhere, or they would
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: like to have those features, but without the smart technology,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: which is an opt in choice. You can disable it
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: on any of these items, you know, And that's I
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: think really important too, because there is a balance of
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: privacy and just convenience, right of like understanding how much
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: you have to manage on your phone, like all my appliances,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: all of my plumbing fixtures, my house HVAC systems, it
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: starts my ring doorbell, my kids' phones, my car, like
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: it will actually add more chaos to a world in
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: which most people are again contracting and trying to simplify
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: a little bit more.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Now, So do you see a lot of people snagging
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: these things up? I mean, are they cool? At a show?
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: I think you kind of mentioned that there's aspects of
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: the show that it's for the show.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Right, there's the glitz and glamour and the marketing pizzazz.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Do you see a lot of people snagging these things up?
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: The toilet thing makes sense to me. I understand that
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: I've stayed at an Airbnb where they had something like that. Right,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: I didn't leave the bathroom.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: It's once you marveled at the toilet, once you have
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: of a heated toilet seat, I say, right, it's you
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: never go back, You never go back. It's it's kind
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: of like the things that become expensive luxuries. Things that
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: are expensive luxuries, and they were maybe ten twenty years ago,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: are now common.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: We are living in a very privileged time where we
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: have the means and technology to give these luxury amenities
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: to almost everyone, right at a comfortable mid price point.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: So when you look at how it's kind of integrated
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: into daily life. As you said, so from a practical perspective,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: these products are researched and developed with substantial investment from
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: these companies over years. Actually, so they are popular. They
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: are more popular among some market segments, right because they
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: might be, but ultimately I am seeing so many people
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: more interested in imbuing their plumbing fixtures in the bathroom
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: with color, and imbuing these spaces where we do spend
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: so much time that are so critical with this technology,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: with these features, they are willing to splurge on items
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: that really matter to them. And the reason being is
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: some of the uncertainty in the global markets, in finance,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: in the world in general has kept people a little
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: more aware, especially since the pandemic of what home means
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: and how to be planted and really deeply invested in
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: where you are so less nomadic kind of transient lifestyles.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: We're seeing people plant themselves their forecasting for longevity in
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: their homes and they're going to invest significantly in what
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: matters to them right, instead of thinking of like fast flip,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: what is the next This is one of the things
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: that something that has always infuriated me in my business,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: where I will meet with a potential client and we
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: will be reviewing their spaces. We're taking a home tour
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: and a comment will be made about resale value, right,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: And my thought has always been intrinsically, if you're thinking
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: about who the next person living here is, you're not
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: truly living here. If you're worried about having a space
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: that's overly personalized because of resale value, I would question
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: the motivation behind that, because the real estate industry, especially
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: since it's been you know, it was growing before the recession,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: but then it started to grow again because it started
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: at a much lower point. I mean, there is a
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: force behind pushing people to have bigger and better homes. Upgrade, upgrade, upgrade, upgrade.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: And if the idea is not to settle in and
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: remodel what you have now and make it yours, it
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: is like always look for the next big thing, right,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: And that pressure that we feel, which I think is
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: just like not to be too philosophical about it, right,
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: but sort of like the idea of this, like in
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: stage capitalism, it's like bigger, better, more and more and more.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: We saw that with monster houses, houses that have become
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: commonplace in neighborhoods that are ten, twelve, fourteen thousand square feet.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: The contraction that I'm talking about right from that excess
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: is having people in their homes not thinking about resale,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: not thinking about what's next, what's next, but actually being
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: present yea and saying I want to personalize this space,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: for me and my family, because I'm willing to invest
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: in that, and I'm not worried about the next person
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: who may or may not own this house, because someone
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: a buyer, will love it, and if they don't, they'll
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: do exactly what I did. They'll personalize this space in
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: their own way. And that is a force in interiors
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: right now. That is in all of the color trends
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: we see all of the kitchen and bath industry products
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: and innovations. Like, the concept of designing for someone else
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: is almost so passe right now, it's offensive. I would
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: say to some people write like.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: I like that. I think that's great. You know, design
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: for us, you know, pick things that you like rather
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: than because we'll talk to people about colors and it's
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: the same thing. You know, they want a color that
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: that's going to be acceptable for another buyer. Now, I
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: get it if you're literally in the position where you're
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: you're getting the house ready to sell, of course, but
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: if you're if you're not at that point, and sometimes
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: you know, you talk to the people and they're not,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: I've made the same thing. I've thought, the same thing,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Is this the color that other people will like? If
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: I sell the house. And then I've caught myself and
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: I said, well, are you thinking about selling the house?
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: And no, I'm really not, So why am I doing this?
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Why don't I pick something that I truly like and
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: make the most of the time that I'm in this house,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: however long that is, by enjoying it to its fullest extent,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: rather than designing for somebody else, and not just somebody else,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: but some vague other body you know, other somebody else.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: You have no idea what their tastes are, what their
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: functionality requirements are. Essentially, like you said, Dan, if you
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: are a short term real estate investor, if you know
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: that you're going to own a property for a limited
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: amount of time, it's you know, prudent not to over
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: invest in that. If you are, you know, leveraging it
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: as an investment strategy, that is a really kind of
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: again I say, like, very very specific, very niche, very
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: like privileged place to be with people. I mean, it
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: got out of control right with like flipping houses. Let's
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: flip houses, let's be landlords, like and then you actually
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: understand what it means to work in that industry and
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: to be a landlord, and so many.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: I don't want anything to do with this anything have said, Oh.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: I really I don't need to own four houses, like
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: this is too much.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: I have all I can do with a house and
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: a shed, right little shed in the back.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: And yeah, so enough for me if you And this
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: is a I think this is just a trend in
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: like our society in general, of people who are stretch
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: too thin and stressed out beyond their capacity and capability
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: to function. Right, So the shift to less as more
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: again better quality, that's a that's very prevalent in the
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: break in like forty and over versus forty and under me.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: It's like the millennial millennial down to Gen Z. Yes,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: everyone is always going to be sort of impulsively interested
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: in like fast fashion, like oh, I'm gonna buy that bracelet,
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna buy those shoes. Maybe I'll change up my
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: car every three years because they innovate and change so rapidly.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: But when it comes to a significant investment like a
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: kitchen remodel or a bathroom, model home remodel or building
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: a custom home, you know, we see them now smaller, smarter,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: more personalized and reflective of the actual needs of the
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: individual and the family, not of some as yet unknown
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: future buyer.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Well, and if it's paint, I mean that's the easiest
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: thing you need to do when you sell your house, right, depersonalize,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: move out at least thirty percent of your stuff. Clean it,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Please clean it and paint everything.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Beij I love what you're talking about. Well, I love
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: where this industry that Cabez was pointing is the idea
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: that first off, just thinking about these two spaces kitchen
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: and baths, as how important those spaces are. You know,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: I think you said it at the beginning. We understand
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: that to some extent that these are key spaces in
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: our home, but I don't think we think about them
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: as we don't put them on the level that they
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: really are at. You know, these are critical spaces in
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: our home to get right, to focus on, to splurge
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: in when we need to. And I love the idea
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: of saving and splurging. You know, I'm not going to
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: buy that crazy big stove because I'm going to just
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: boil water, but I'm going to put that money into Oh,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: this amazing toilet. We're going to have some great times
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: this toilet. And I you know that kind of a thing,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: just building these spaces for you know, just the oh,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: what do you want to even say the mental health
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: that's the wrong word, but it's just the call.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Wellness is the sort of idea and love that. There's
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: like a wellness industry that is again like the grift
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: of snake oils and supplements that is white noise. Ignore it.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: It's all marketing, but true honest wellness, right is what
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: are you eating and how are you functioning every day
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: in these spaces that are so critical? I mean, how
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: do you like I think the four most important places
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: in a home, you know, when I when I talk
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: to clients and when I stop and think about it,
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: really it's like, okay, like your kitchen and your bathroom,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: they are incredibly important. Invest in a very good mattress
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: and bedsheets because we sleep a third of our lives
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: and if you don't have great sleep, it will slowly
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: kill you. I mean, there's so many reaper ushians and
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: a good chill space right like a den, a living room, whatever.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: But you know, it's again like you sleep in your bed.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: The first place you go is to your bathroom to
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: prepare for your day, and that sets a tone to
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: weep in front of the same potentially some you know,
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: it's like that's why the energy there needs to be
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: appropriate for like getting you ready for the day. What
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: I love about a lot of the technology and bathrooms
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: This is related to cave is, but it's it's lighting. Right,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: So I have in my bathroom, Uh, my scances set
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: to be at like four thousand k in the morning,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: I want to bright blue wake you up light. It's energetic,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: it's it's functional. You know, it gets into your eyeballs
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: and your brain and you're like waking up better and
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: more energized than you can see. And then at night
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: those scances dim down to the twenty seven hundred kelvin
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: so they're much warmer, and that's when you go in
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: and you're winding down for the day, and you want
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: the opposite in your bathroom. So having that flexibility of
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: lighting is crucial, and thinking about that in the bathroom space,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: just thinking.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: About that, you know, throwing that out there and designing
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: making your choices with things like that in mind. Right,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: absolutely most of us don't think that way. We're just
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: finding the colors that look good together. And oh I
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: kind of like that faucet or I like these sconces.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: There's so much more to think about, and the benefits
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: of thinking that through are just huge, you know, like
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: you said, getting it helps you wake up in the morning,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: it helps you calm down and wind down at night.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: You know, we know what our lives are like. Anything
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: that's going to help us, you know, wind down or
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: ramp up as we need to, is going to be beneficial.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Having that space to kick back, you know, designing that space,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: that family, whatever that is, that den, whatever that space
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: is in your home, it's really critical to spend the
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: time and to think it through, to get the right colors,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: to get the right furniture, to get the right everything
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: so that you get the most out of that space.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: And appliances and fixtures like kitchens and bathrooms are expensive
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: rooms by their very nature, right, so when you are
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: considering those things, it's like invest in those spaces and
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: invest in a good mattress. Which I will say again,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: but it's all in the service of what we say again, wellness,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: But it's really like living an authentic, purposeful, deeply enriching
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: life wherein you love everything about your space. You love
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: all of the choices that were made, whether that is
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: with a design professional or on your own using the
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: myriad of tools that are available to homeowners today. It
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: really is about reflecting inward to yourself and your family
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: and how do you want to live? What does that
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: feel like, sound like, look like, tastes like? You know,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: all of your senses are engaged, and then you have
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: that as a known you know, sixth sense of like experience. Right,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: what is the energy of that space and does it
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: support or detract from your goals and values?
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: So many things to think about, and you know that's
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: one of the perfect reasons to bring a designer in
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: to consult with somebody as you're making something, because these
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: are expensive changes that you're making to your home and
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: you're making this consideration and you know that, like I said,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: it's expensive, but it can be money that's maybe not
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: invested is the wrong word, because you know, maybe you
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: don't get what you want out of it when you
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: resell it. That's not what I'm talking about. The investment
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: part is that I'm living better it absolutely do these
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: things and putting all of this together the right way
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: and talking with somebody who thinks this through. You know,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: you've you've been thinking this through way longer than I have.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: If I'm going to start doing that in my home,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: I want to talk to somebody who's going to help
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: me make the wisest decision, not just me dipping my
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: toe into an industry now. And what's going to happen
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: to me is I'm going to, oh start looking. I'm
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: going to snatch the few, you know, the couple of
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: things that I can afford, let's be real, but the
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: things that catch my interest. Whereas if I'm talking to
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: a professional, it's very likely you're gonna help me steer
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: myself away from the first glitzy things that caught my
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: eye to the things that are really going to matter,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: because you're gonna dig into who I am and what
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: I need. If our listeners do want to reach out
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: to somebody like you, you know, Andy, how do they
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: get a hold of you?
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Well, I thank you for the endorsement, Dan, Yes, it is.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: It's a very complex, layered and nuanced process to design
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: a home properly, and I love what I do. So
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: if anybody would like to speak to me about their project,
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: they can find me on all the socials at Andy
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  Speaker 2: Yates Design and my website andyatesdesign dot com. I'm based
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  Speaker 2: in West Michigan, but I travel pretty much all over
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  Speaker 2: the country working on homes and businesses. So that is
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  Speaker 2: how they can reach out to me.
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  Speaker 1: Right, I'll put links in the show notes. You can
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  Speaker 1: check out Andy's website and all the socials and all
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  Speaker 1: of that. Andy, I love sitting down and talking to you.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for hanging out with us today.
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  Speaker 2: I love it too, Dan. You're very welcome. Thank you
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  Speaker 2: for having me back on the show. I hope it
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  Speaker 2: was engaging and inspiring for the listeners today, and everybody
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  Speaker 2: has a takeaway.
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  Speaker 1: They better that's what we have, that's what we demand
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  Speaker 1: of them.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure they do. I'm sure they learned something new.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure there is something in there.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 1: All Right now, I want to shift gears dramatically and
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  Speaker 1: answer a listener question about painting outside. Can he still
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  Speaker 1: sneak a project in even though we're part way through November.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to get to that right after this progress
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  Speaker 1: a great question from a listener. Late this week, listener
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  Speaker 1: email me about trying to sneak in a last minute
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  Speaker 1: fall project. Right, We've all got them, you know, we've
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  Speaker 1: all got these last minute projects we'd love to see done.
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  Speaker 1: And this person reached out and explained he's got some
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  Speaker 1: window trim that he needed to get scraped and painted
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  Speaker 1: before winter, but he didn't make it all the way
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  Speaker 1: around the house. So he's got at this point several
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  Speaker 1: windows where he scraped all the old paint off. You know,
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  Speaker 1: he's gotten everything down to bare wood. But he's wondering
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  Speaker 1: if he's going to be able to get these things
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  Speaker 1: painted before the season ends. He's basically worried about the temperatures.
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  Speaker 1: Is it too cold to paint? And while the temperatures
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  Speaker 1: are definitely a valid concern, moisture is actually the bigger
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  Speaker 1: issue here. You're dealing with bear wood in the fall.
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  Speaker 1: Moisture is a huge enemy. It's a huge enemy all
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  Speaker 1: the time, but it's a little trickier to deal with
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  Speaker 1: in the fall. You know, morning do unexpected drizzle. All
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  Speaker 1: of those things end up soaking into that exposed wood.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, here's the thing. The paint needs a
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  Speaker 1: dry surface to properly adhere and form a protective film.
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  Speaker 1: If you try to paint over damp wood, you're really,
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  Speaker 1: really really setting yourself up for peeling, bubbling, you know,
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  Speaker 1: poor adhesion a host of all kinds of problems down
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  Speaker 1: the road. So before you even think about opening a
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  Speaker 1: paint can, that bear wood needs to be completely dry.
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  Speaker 1: And we're not talking surface dry. It needs to be
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  Speaker 1: dried through and through. And I know that's not fun
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  Speaker 1: to hear, but that's just the way it is. Depending
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  Speaker 1: on conditions, that might mean that you've got to wait
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  Speaker 1: a full sunny day or more after any moisture exposure,
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  Speaker 1: but that's just the breaks. That's how it works in
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  Speaker 1: the fall, So keep an eye on that. That moisture
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  Speaker 1: is a big issue. Keep an eye on that. Now,
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  Speaker 1: let's get to the temperature worries, because they're legitimate too.
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  Speaker 1: The good news though with the temperature is that all
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  Speaker 1: of the exterior water based products that we carry out
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  Speaker 1: Repcholight can handle temperatures down to thirty six degrees. But
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  Speaker 1: here's the catch. There's always always a catch. Here's the
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  Speaker 1: catch with that. We're talking about both air and surface temperature.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the dark trim that you've got in direct sunlight.
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  Speaker 1: You know, even though it's forty degrees out, that dark
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  Speaker 1: trim indirect sunlight is probably going to be warmer than
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  Speaker 1: the air. And then conversely, the north facing window that's
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  Speaker 1: in the shade, it's probably going to be cooler than
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  Speaker 1: the air. So for best results, you're gonna want to
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  Speaker 1: aim for both air and surface temperatures that stay above
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  Speaker 1: forty degrees for at least twenty four hours after you paint. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I know the cans we'll say thirty six degrees, sometimes
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  Speaker 1: lower than that, but forty is ideal if you want
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  Speaker 1: reliable results. So again, both surface and air temperature should
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  Speaker 1: be about forty degrees or more for at least twenty
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  Speaker 1: four hours after you paint. Now, if you're determined to
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  Speaker 1: try to get this job done in the late fall,
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  Speaker 1: or any project like this, any exterior painting that you're
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  Speaker 1: just bound and determined you're going to get done in
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  Speaker 1: the fall, there is a product that you really need
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  Speaker 1: to be aware of, and it could save the project
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  Speaker 1: it's Benjamin Moore's element Guard. Talked about it a ton
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  Speaker 1: of times, but this paint is specifically designed for fall conditions,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and early spring conditions. You know. It can
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  Speaker 1: handle low temperature and all of that, but it also
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  Speaker 1: offers extreme early moisture resistance. So we're talking moisture resistant,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a moisture resistant paint film. Just sixty minutes
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  Speaker 1: after application, the surface still needs to be dry before
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  Speaker 1: you apply it. Element Guard isn't a silver bullet in
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  Speaker 1: that regard. But if there happens to be a sudden
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  Speaker 1: pop up rain shower or anything like that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: heavy dew, you know, anything like that, element Guard is
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  Speaker 1: going to handle that moisture better than pretty much any
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  Speaker 1: other paint out there. So just tuck that away in
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  Speaker 1: the back of your mind. If you're trying to sneak
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  Speaker 1: in any late season or early season painting exterior wise,
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  Speaker 1: element Guard is going to be a really nice safety net.
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  Speaker 1: All right. With all of that set, let's assume the
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  Speaker 1: conditions are favorable for painting. If that's the case, here's
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  Speaker 1: your painting window. You're going to want to start mid morning,
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  Speaker 1: so around eleven o'clock or so. That's going to give
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  Speaker 1: the due time to evaporate and the surface time to
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  Speaker 1: warm up, and then you're going to want to wrap up,
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  Speaker 1: you know everything, you know, get everything wrapped up by
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  Speaker 1: early afternoon, probably around four o'clock or so, and that's
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  Speaker 1: going to give the paint time to cure a little
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  Speaker 1: bit before evening temps drop and the moisture returns. Now.
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  Speaker 1: The last thing I'll say, and it's just to be realistic.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes the weather just isn't going to cooperate at this
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  Speaker 1: time of year. Now, if you've got bear wood out
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  Speaker 1: there that you can't get painted this season, it's still
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  Speaker 1: going to be best to find a way to protect it.
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  Speaker 1: And maybe that means you just do everything you can
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  Speaker 1: to get a primer coat on the wood that's going
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  Speaker 1: to provide critical protection through the winner and then you
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  Speaker 1: can always clean it up and apply your top coat
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  Speaker 1: in the spring. All right. If you're in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of a project inside or outside and you run stock
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: or you've got a question, reach out to your nearest repcolite.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to get you the answers that you need
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  Speaker 1: and will help you work out a plan so you
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  Speaker 1: can get through the project. And if you have a
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: question like that, you know something that you're struggling with
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out, shoot that question to me at
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  Speaker 1: it on the air like I did just now, you
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  Speaker 1: can get some free paint out of that. I'll give
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  Speaker 1: you a free gallon of paint if I use your
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  Speaker 1: question on the air. So, any paint question, any varnishing question,
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  Speaker 1: any staining question, you know anything you got, throw it
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