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The Lost Audio - Volume 2 · Pittsburgh Sports Memories

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_09: Hi everybody, welcome to the Pittsburgh Sports Memories Podcast.
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_09: My name is Tim Hannan and I am joined by uh Steve Wirt.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_09: Gregarious Steve Wirt.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_08: Gregarious.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_08: I'm like laughing and jolly and like I predict picture like, you know, the ghost of Christmas, what is a present from in the Dickens novels.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_09: Like we see the gregarious one.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, I think so.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_08: The little cup of well, you can't see it on the podcast, but uh a cup of cheer, which would just be water.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_09: We're recording this at like 8 a.m.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_09: in the morning, so I'm hoping it's water.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_08: It's five o'clock somewhere, Tim.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_09: Uh so we did an episode a while back called The Lost Audio, where we dug up a bunch of clips that you may have never heard before, and folks really found that episode to be entertaining.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_09: So we thought, hey, let's do a sequel episode with even more clips that people will hopefully find entertaining.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_08: As you know, the sequel is always better than the original.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_09: Every time.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_09: I can't think of even one example where it wasn't.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_09: Um so let's kick this off with uh let's actually kick this off with Art Rooney, the chief.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_09: And this is Art Rooney speaking, this is pretty late in his life, talking about the one thing in his lifetime that he could never quite figure out.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_18: Uh one thing in my lifetime that uh I could never figure out was uh why a person disliked another person because of his color, whether he was red, yellow, black, or white, or whether he was a Jew or a Christian, or whether he was a Protestant or a Catholic, that you disliked him because of the way he believed in God.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_18: I often said that I wondered what God would think.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_09: That's pretty profound.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_08: I like the way he said yellow.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_08: He said yellow.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_08: He said like a jerkkinzer.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_09: He did.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_09: He did.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_08: Beyond that, that's like that's such uh that's that old school North siders stuff.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_08: Generation.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_08: I I miss that generation, I do.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_08: So although he's really a gener like he reminds me my wife's grandmother, and but she was more Dan Rooney's generation than the chief.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_08: So but still they were they were good people and there aren't enough of them around, unfortunately.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_08: This left is us uh filthy Gen Xers anymore.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_08: We're running the world into the ground pretty good.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_08: Though I don't know, we kind of sled under the radar there, huh, Tim?
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_09: I think so.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_08: It seems like it's always boomers and millennials.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_08: We're like the silent generation of we've got that sweet spot.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_09: Nobody, nobody worries about us.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_08: It's just like when we were growing up.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_08: Like, here's dinner, heat it up in the microwave.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_08: I'll see you when I get home at 11 o'clock tonight.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_09: I I love um I love kind of like his just common sense approach to that.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_09: I think like if you made a statement like that today on Twitter, it would be like uh standing on a pedestal, you know, look how um, I don't know, socially aware I am kind of a thing, right?
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_09: He's just like, I don't I don't get it.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_09: Like why wouldn't you why would you hate somebody just because their skin color is different?
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_08: It's a sense of humility there.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_08: It's just he it's a you know, um, what would I call it?
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_08: A sincerely held belief with like with I think uh sometimes a lot of people like the you know, they call it virtual s virtue signaling.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_08: Like you just you don't you don't really even believe that.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_08: You're just doing it to look good in front of other people.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_08: Very very you know, in religious groups that you or I well I don't I can't speak for Tim, but I knew I grew up in it was a lot like that.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_08: People did a lot of stuff just to I'm better than you.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_08: You know, you know, humans are they're gonna find something that I'm better than you.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_08: I only do that in the the realm of football or sports.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, no no uh no sense of um virtue signaling or pride there, just just very, you know, speaking plainly.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_09: I I just just cool, just cool words from the keith years later.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_09: Uh in our feuds episode that we did, we talked about the feud between Matthew Barnaby and Lyle Odoline when the Penguins played the New Jersey Devils in the 1999 playoffs.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_09: Steve, do you remember this?
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_08: Yes, there were questions about Lyle Odoline's wife or Lyle Odoline himself, or both.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, yeah.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_09: Well, no, it was the other way around.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_09: It was actually Lyle Odoline.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_09: Well, it started with Barnaby calling Odoline um Cornelius from Planet of the Age.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_08: That's right.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_09: And then Odoline really like insulting Barnaby's wife, um, saying he was ugly or something to that effect.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, it was it was it went way beyond that's the ultimate like third grade playground comeback.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_08: That's like, why don't you just say his mom wears army boots or something?
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_08: Remember?
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_08: Was that like a big insult when you're in elementary school, Tim?
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_09: Like, your mom wears army boots.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_09: I never got that one.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_09: I'm I missed out on that one, Steve.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_08: Uh well, I guess I had a much different uh elementary school than you did.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_08: Well, we did.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_08: We did go to different elementary schools.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_09: Uh so yeah, that all that stuff was happening in the media between games and that playoff series.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_09: Uh again, very personal.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_09: You'd think there'd be a lot of bitterness then between those two guys.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_09: But here's Barnaby and Odoline talking to each other 20 years later, and and you're gonna hear Barnaby.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_09: Barnaby's the guy speaking first.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_24: One of my favorite lines ever was calling you Cornelius, and I didn't know you.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_24: And most guys are really bad at chirping.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_24: Like, you rip them, and they're like, Oh, you jerk, you fing loser, you suck.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_24: I'm like, I know I suck, man.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_24: I I'm on the fourth line for a reason.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_24: I know I suck.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_24: I come up with something better.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_24: When I called you Cornelius and made reference to it, the best was your comeback, and I was actually reading it today.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_20: Right.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_24: Your comeback was he shouldn't talk, he should look at his wife because she's nothing to look at.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_24: Now, I'm re I I I'm getting remarried, I have a girlfriend.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_24: You're right, you're completely right, but I thought you were the funniest thing was coming in game two or game three or later on in the series, and there was actually people in the stands in New Jersey with monkey outfits, eight outfits, with Mrs.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_24: Barnaby on the back.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_24: And I was like, you know what?
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_24: Well done, sir.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_24: Well done.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_20: Well, I had to throw something back, but uh, I don't even know what your uh ex-wife looked like or anything.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_20: I just didn't know what to say.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_20: So I have to say you were you you were not a fourth line player, I can tell you that.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_09: So you gotta love it.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_08: That's hilarious.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, Matthew Barb even into the gates with his own ex-wife.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_08: I mean that's hilarious.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_09: That's classic hockey players too, right?
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_09: Like we hate each other, we're gonna beat each other's brains out, but then like let's grab a beer.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_08: Well, that's how it should be.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_08: That that's I mean, I I kind of prefer that old, you know, I don't know.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_08: I remember that growing that's another thing I yeah, I guess we're just gonna reminisce about my childhood this whole episode, apparently.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_08: Um but I just remember that you might get in the fight at even recess or lunch and you'd be friends by the afternoon again.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_08: You it was no big thing.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_09: So yeah, then that is something I do remember.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_08: Maybe we should go back to that a little bit.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_08: You know, the boys get it out of their system, but once again, nobody listens to me, probably for good reason.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, and and and like in this instance, you know, Lyle Odoline later played for the Penguins and I believe still lives in Pittsburgh.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_09: We talked in our X-Force episode we did about how he had that crazy infection that almost killed him.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_09: He was in a coma and everything, and and the doctors at um, I think it was AGH, you know, saved his life.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_09: And I guess I guess Barnaby had reached out to him during that time.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_09: So again, I I think those guys were probably just able to put things into perspective when it comes in, you know, when it comes to hockey versus sort of real life, right?
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_09: For sure.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_09: I mean, yeah.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_08: I mean there are they are Canadian, so so Barnaby and Odoline had some bad blood.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_09: You know who else has some bad blood over the years?
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_09: Taylor Swift.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_09: The Steelers and the Cincinnati Bengals.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_09: Uh definitely a lot of bad blood in the 2000s, especially after the Carson Palmer injury and all that stuff.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_09: But the Steelers did have one guy on their team who is a true peacemaker.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_09: Here is Bengals wide receiver TJ Hushmanzada talking to LeVar Arrington, telling him a story from those days.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_11: I remember one time Palomalu hit me, man.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_11: I'll never forget this.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_11: And I got up, I said, Troy, you hit like a bitch.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_11: LeVar, you know what he said to me?
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_11: So he said, God bless you, TJ.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_11: And he has a high-pitched voice, like, God bless you, TJ.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_11: I felt so bad.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_11: I never I never, ever, ever, the rest of my career talk to him ever again.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_09: So there you go, Troy Pulamalo making even TJ Hoochman's auto feel bad for trash talking.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_08: Uh that's that's classic, Troy.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_08: Like, you know, once again, you know, kind of like in the Matthew Barnaby, you know, that take your take your head off, play your tail off during the game, but then after the game, it's you know, it's it's over.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_08: It's just between the lines.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_08: Troy is like one of those players that it's such a disconnect between the player he is between the lines and the person he is off the field.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_08: It's it's almost like he's like two different people.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_09: So very true.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_09: Uh sticking with the theme of Bengals Remorse, the bad blood between the Stewart and Bengals ramped up tremendously in the 2010s, culminating with the Bengals imploding their entire division-winning 2015 season all for the chance to concuss Antonio Brown and throw punches at assistant coach Joey Porter.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_09: Now, the guy who threw those punches was Bengals defensive back Pac-Man Jones.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_09: And after the game, Jones famously accused Antonio Brown of faking his concussion.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_09: He actually says that they should have awarded A-B a Grammy, because apparently Pac-Man thinks that the Grammy is an acting award.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_09: Uh, but that's beside the point.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_09: Uh Jones said that A-B winked at him as he left the field and that it was all a hoax into, I guess, tricking the refs into throwing a flag, even though like the flag literally came out right at the instant you know that Brown got hit.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_09: So I'm not even sure what the motive would have been for him faking it, but you know, I I don't know, Steve.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_09: Pac-Man's a WBU guy, and I'm not sure that critical thinking is something they teach down there.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_08: So are you gonna play the Dan Patrick clip?
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_09: Oh no, no, no, no, no.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_09: Actually, no.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_09: Uh so so what Steve's referring to is he went on Dan Patrick to say all that.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_08: And Dan Patrick just sat there and was like, oh, really?
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_08: Wow, it really happened.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_08: It's like, could you not be a fan of Cincinnati for five seconds, Dan, and like be a reporter and ask, like, well, there's no video evidence of that.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_08: We don't have that on tape.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_09: And and also, why would he fake it when the refs threw the flag right away?
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_09: Like, what what what did he have to get out of that?
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_08: Besides, in the and he's not cut he never came back to the game.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_08: I mean Right.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_09: But well, so so what ends up happening is the next week the Steelers are playing in Denver in the divisional playoffs.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_09: And and Pac-Man says, Oh, yeah, he's gonna play in that game.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_09: He's fine, he's faking it.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_09: And he and Pac-Man even says he'll apologize if A B doesn't actually play.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_09: Well, sure enough, A B is rolled out of that game in Denver.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_09: He was actually injured after all.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_08: No, it's part of the conspiracy.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_08: The Steelers decide to throw their whole season in Denver just to fake Pac-Man joke.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_09: Just to just yes, just as a ploy against the Bengals.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_09: So, so does Pac-Man ever apologize like he said he would?
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_09: Let's find out.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_16: A B! My apology, my brother.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_16: I'm a man of my word, man.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_16: Been doing little traveling, it took me so long to win.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_16: I apologize sincerely, man.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_09: So there you go, Steve.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_09: Pac-Man is a man of his word, a real stand-up guy.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_08: What is that like from like 20 years later?
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_08: I he's like I know.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_09: It was the we it was the week of.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_09: It was the week of.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_09: He he he did he did put that on his Instagram.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_09: Looks like he's like helping somebody move or something at the time.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_09: Just like, oh, by the way.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_09: So yeah, yeah.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_09: But Pac-Man, Pac-Man apologizes.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_09: So there you go.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_09: Not not often remembered in that controversy.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, I I don't remember him apologizing because he didn't go on Dan Patrick.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_08: Why didn't he go on Dan Patrick and say that instead of like some little internet video?
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, and that's why this episode has lost audio.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_08: Because most people don't remember why didn't Dan Patrick have him on to correct him.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_08: I I you can tell that maybe I don't like a certain reporter.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_08: I I I respected him until that moment.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_08: I really did.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_08: I thought, oh, he's just a standard national.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_08: And then once that happened and he just went along with it, I was like, this is pathetic.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_08: That that's just that's a joke.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_09: Well, he probably got good sound bites.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_09: I mean, that's what it's all about now, is is you can clip a soundbite.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_08: Well, you know what he can have fun on whatever like low-rent, you know, internet thing he's on.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_08: He's like he's like on like I don't even know if you can find his show anymore.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_08: You unless you wanted to.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, whatever.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_09: So so hopefully for Lost Audio Volume 3, we will get a Dan Patrick apology.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_08: Well, you'd be like, what do I have to apologize for?
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_08: I didn't say it.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_09: So Steel or Bengals controversies are well publicized for sure.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_09: One current controversy that people may not remember all that well centers around the national anthem.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_09: And no, I'm not talking about Colin Kaepernick and that whole mess.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_09: I'm talking about Bobby Vinton.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_09: Steve, do you know who Bobby Vinton is?
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_08: Yes, he was a like Kruner kind of singer from like the 50s.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_08: Actually, funny enough, in Cannonsburg, there's a boulevard name called Bobby Vinton Boulevard.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_08: The McDonald's is on it.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_08: And then the McDonald's, they have a Bobby Vinton like Hall of Fame-ish full of memory, yeah.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_08: So nice.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_08: You're into he sang a song called I think Blue Velvet was his big hit.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_08: Why I know so much about Bobby Vinton off the top of my head.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_08: Seriously, that was all off the top of my head, wasn't it?
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, that's that's impressive.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_09: I didn't know any of that, so that's impressive.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_08: There you go.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_09: So so as Steve said, uh Bobby Vinton's a Pittsburgh guy.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_09: Uh his nickname was the Polish Prince.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_09: Did you know that?
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_08: That's that's alliteration for you.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_09: It is.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_09: Um, as Steve said, he had a bunch of hits back in the day.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_08: I don't I only remember Blue Velvet.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_08: That's the only one I really remember by him.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_09: So in 1990, the Pirates are in the National League Championship series, and they asked Bobby Vinton to sing the national anthem.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_08: That sounds like that could work.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_09: It could, but it goes a little sideways.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_09: Uh, here is the end of that.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_09: And and I'm only clipping the end.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_09: He was already really stumbling his way through it at this point, but here, take a listen.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_09: Those aren't the words.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_02: For the land oh Canada.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_08: In Bobby Vinn's defense, he had to be in his 70s, right?
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_08: How old was he when he did that?
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_08: If he was like 20 years old in 1950, right?
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_08: And that's 40 years later.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, he he he does he does later apologize, and he actually says he had the flu, he wasn't feeling well.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_09: Uh, and he just he just had an off night.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_09: Uh but you know what, Steve?
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_09: That's really not the controversy.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_09: The controversy is what CBS announcer Jack Buck says on the air right after the.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, I remember the okay.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_08: Yes, I remember this now.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_18: Well, when you're Polish and live in Pittsburgh, you can do anything you want with the words.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_03: That ticks a lot of people off.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, the Polish American Society or somebody, one of those groups got yeah, ticked off.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, the president of the Polish Falcons of America in Pittsburgh uh does, as you said, issue a strongly worded statement against CBS and Jack Buck.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_09: Uh Jack Buck does apologize, says he didn't mean any offense by that.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_08: Is this is this the part of the podcast where we tell Polish jokes?
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_09: No.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_09: Because then the Polish Falcons of America will be contacting us next.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_08: Well, I mean, we already know about submarines and battleships and you know sending a rocket ship to the sun at night.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, yeah.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_09: That used to be a big thing back in that at that time too, was Polish jokes.
• 19:02
  unknown: Yeah.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_09: And so I just I wonder if people were like, you know, there was kind of more sensitivity even then to it, especially when you have a guy on national TV uh um in front of a national artist.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_08: I just get offended about everything.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_08: I I think the Polish Falcons needed to chill.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_08: As a person whose son had their first birthday at the Polish cadets, I think I can speak for the Polish community, although I am not any percent Polish in any sort of way.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_09: I'm I'm sure they'll accept you as their spokesperson, spokesperson.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, especially since I'm like mostly German, so we're just taking a you know German, just messing with them again.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_08: So they're really they're really probably happy about that.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_09: Uh so Bobby Vinton, a famous Pittsburgh native, another famous Pittsburgh native is comedian Dennis Miller.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_09: And in 2001, ABC makes the decision to add Miller to its Monday Night Football announcing booth.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_09: And a lot of people think that's a questionable decision, uh, and it generates a lot of buzz, which was no doubt the point, right?
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_09: Was to just get people watching and talking about it.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_09: Anyway, when Monday Night Football comes to Pittsburgh that season, the city of Pittsburgh has a whole ceremony for Miller, and here is him talking about that during the game that night.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_25: Forget about Halloween in Pittsburgh.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_25: This is all they're talking about.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_25: Look at that sign on the road today.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_25: Welcome home, Dennis Miller.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_25: Mayor Tom Murphy giving Dennis the key to the city about 20 minutes ago.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_25: Let's play some football.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_25: The terrible towel.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_25: Welcome home, Bendu.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_12: Very touching, Albino.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_12: They did give me the key to the city, and surprisingly, it works.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_12: I've been going around to some of the nicer homes in town and taking items that I fancy.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_08: It's a joke.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_08: I like Dennis Miller.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_08: Whatever happened to Dennis Miller?
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_09: Boy, he's falling off the I have no idea, but I I like that little clip about the key to the city.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_09: I thought that I just thought that was funny.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_08: It's a Dennis Miller joke.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_08: It's a joke that only uh 5% of the population again.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_08: We call it the Dennis Miller ratio, which is that's it's a joke I stole from The Simpsons.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_09: Well, let's talk about another broadcaster, Myron Cope.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_09: Uh, we just did an episode where we talked to Myron's daughter and we talked about how he often caused controversy.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_09: Here's a clip of Myron in 1970 uh talking about Barbara Joe Rubin.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_09: Now, Barbara Joe Rubin was a jockey, and she actually had to go to court to get licensed because in those days the jockeys were all men.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_09: Uh, she then becomes the first woman ever to win a professional horse race, and that was in 1969, so it was like right before the time of this audio.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_09: And and Steve, listen to this and tell me.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_09: Do you think Myron gets canceled for this today?
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_09: I think I think he at least causes a stir with these comments.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_09: Take a listen.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: The one who made the biggest flash was a pleasant-looking, though not especially sexy girl named Barbara Joe Rubin.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: Now, at the time she started out, I had the temerity to predict on my radio show that women who become jockeys will end up looking like the horses they run.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: ride.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: Because after less than one year on a trap, she's washed up.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: She has bummed knees.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_00: Now, here was a girl who demanded to be accepted equally with men, but in that time at all, she has bummed me.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: And what girls do in the women was the horse.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: horses.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: So, what we have here is an indication, and even in those sports in which an object does the work, women are biologically incapable of competing with men.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: Their insistence upon trying may be attributed to the only feminine characteristic that such women seem to have left, namely their insatiable desire to attract attention.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_00: Oh wow.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_08: Zinger! Woo! Wow.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_08: Holy cow.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_08: Oh my goodness.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_08: Well, I'm just gonna leave that one right there, Myron.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_08: Uh okay then.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_08: There's a lot there to unpack, Tim.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, wow, where did you find that?
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_08: I guess.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_09: Well, let me let me here.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_09: Let me give a little context that might that might help kind of ease those comments a little bit.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_09: This was part of a stage debate between Myron and Eleanor Kane.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_09: If you don't know who Eleanor Kane is, she's a pretty remarkable woman.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_09: She was an NFL sports writer back when those jobs were exclusively for men.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_09: And she had quite an uphill climb to get there.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_09: NFL Films actually did a great story on her a while back that we'll link on our website.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_09: So Eleanor Kane, a real pioneer uh in the world of sports media for women.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_09: And this was Myron and her debating on a woman's place in sports.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_09: But Myron and Eleanor Kane, they were also friends.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_09: They'd actually travel together to NFL training camps in the summers whenever Myron wrote for Sports Illustrated.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_09: And there is also, as you could hear, there, there was an audience watching this.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_09: So I I do think part of this is Myron just kind of egging on Eleanor Kane.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_09: And if you listen to the whole thing, she actually gives it right back to him.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_09: So it it probably sounds meaner than it really is.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_09: I I think part of it was just the two of them kind of messing with each other.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_09: I don't think it was just Myron flat out being a chauvinist.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_09: I think he was kind of trying to egg her on a little bit because the debate was supposed to be about you know women, women's places in sports.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_08: That's a whole can of worms.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_08: And that's that's a lot of worms that I'm gonna leave in that can, Tim.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_08: And good for Myron.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_08: And um I don't know, once again, as sincere as the first clip was by the chief.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_08: I'm not sure of the sincerity of this clip.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_08: So maybe he was just saying it for uh, you know, listeners or you know, get some attention, which would be kind of ironic since he claimed that about women.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_08: but that he was But uh I I I I don't know what to say.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_08: I mean that's that's wild.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_08: That's wild stuff.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, I mean, could you imagine that coming out today?
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, that would be Well, I mean, uh maybe on the internet, I mean, you know, you do see some stuff like that, you know, sometimes.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_09: We'll we'll just and we'll just yeah, leave it at make make of that clip what you will, but I thought it was just definitely interesting audio, if nothing else.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_08: I wish I would have heard her ri response, her egging him on.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_08: I would I would have liked to hear that.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, yeah.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_09: Like I said, she's she's no wallflower.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_09: I mean, she's she's just messing with him the whole time.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_09: She's she's talking about you know, the two of them riding in the car together to training camps and you know, uh she making fun of him.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_09: And uh it it it's it's like I said, she's it it it's a spirited debate, but you can tell that they're also like chummy with each other.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_09: They're not, you know, they're not uh it's not like a a presidential debate where they're they you know the two two people clearly have contempt for each other.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_09: All right.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_09: Myron was of course part of the Steelers radio broadcast.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_09: And and Steve, a little while ago we did that episode on Pittsburgh Sports TV Intros.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_09: And one of the clips that I really wanted to play in that episode is the intro to the Jack Fleming Myron Cope Steelers broadcast, which I grew up listening to a ton.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_09: But that episode was TV sports intros, and of course, this was a radio intro.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_09: So guess what?
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_09: I'm gonna play it here.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_09: And uh I'm curious, and and please let me know, you you folks listening out there, let me know on Facebook or via email.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_09: Am I like the only one who very distinctly remembers this theme music?
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_09: Take a listen.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_19: This is Jack Fleming, voice of the Pittsburgh Steelers.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_19: Let's go for all the dealers back to all things here on Radio 1250 WTAT.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_19: Join Myron Cope and be right here this Sunday.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_14: This afternoon, it's the Pittsburgh dealers against the New York Jets in New York.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_14: Pro preview will be on the air at 12 noon, followed by the Chuck Knoll Show.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_08: Wow.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_08: Uh no, Tim, I can't say I remember that.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_08: That's funny that it was on AM too, not even FM.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_08: It was on AM radio.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_08: Right.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_08: In 1250, which if you lived in like Butler County or you know good luck.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_08: You weren't hearing the Steelers play the Jets.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_08: Who won that game, by the way, Tim?
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_08: Was that the Cherry Bradshaw game?
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_09: I I have no idea.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_08: I'm curious.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_08: No, we'll never know.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_09: But but I mean that was you're right, that was back in the day too, when uh you turn down the TV and turn on the AM radio.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_09: Or even, Steve, do you remember that um even even at the games, people that went to the games sometimes would wear those big headphones, old school headphone things and listen to Myron.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_08: Well, they would always know stuff too, like like what happened there, like, oh yeah, they're saying, you know, Joe Green got hurt, or yeah, they were the ball bounced off Tatum and went to Franco.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_09: No, that's very true.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_09: That was like your only way you couldn't, you know, look it up on Twitter in the stadium.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_08: You had to Well, I went on my cell phone that didn't exist and typed into a cell tower that didn't exist on the internet that didn't exist.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_08: Never mind mobile internet.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_09: Um, a guy we haven't talked about a lot on this podcast is Michael Jordan.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_09: Pretty sure everybody knows who Michael Jordan is.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_09: Here's Jordan getting an award for basketball player of the decade, and he decides to acknowledge one of his good friends at the podium.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_17: I grew up in Wimmerton, North Carolina.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_17: I don't know much about hockey, but I'm a fan of hockey.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_17: Good friends, Mario, uh, who I I considered we came in at the same time, 84 won a championship at the same time, MVP the same time, which I have so much respect for.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, fun fun story about Mario Lemieux and Michael Jordan.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_09: When Mario made his comeback in 2001, remember it was all shrouded in secrecy.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_09: He was like practicing in secret and nobody knew about it.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_09: He was practicing with Michael Jordan on on the ice.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_09: Well, that would have been a more fun story, but the fun story is actually that that Michael Jordan's one of the few people that uh Mario told about it ahead of time.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_09: And then when Jordan was contemplating a comeback later that year, he actually consulted Mario Lemieux to to get his thoughts.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_09: And um no word on whether or not Mario told him I I wouldn't do that.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_09: Coming back to play for the Washington Wizards, but uh he did he didn't ask Mario what he thought before he made that decision.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_09: So those two guys pretty good friends actually.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_08: I didn't know that.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_08: That's obviously at the Espies or one of those awards.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, it was the Espies and and they did like I I'm guessing that must have been 1999 because they were doing like uh um decade awards, you know, basketball player of the decade, football player of the decade, that kind of stuff.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_09: Steve, one of my favorite TV shows of all time is Quantum Leap.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_08: Yes, I've watched many of the episodes.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_08: Have you watched the last episode too, which is kind of depressing?
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_09: It is, yeah, it kind of was.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_09: Um uh the the show aired in the 1990s, and and if you never watched it, the premise of the show is there's this guy named Sam Beckett who time travels via leaping into the bodies of other people in the past.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_09: And then in the present, there's this guy named Al who can appear to Sam in the form of a hologram that only Sam can see and hear to give him information about the person he leapt into, etc.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_09: So here's an here's some audio from an episode in which Sam leaps into a football player from the 1960s, and Al Al comes in the form of a hologram to give Sam some information about that.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_05: Where have you been?
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_05: I've been watching Super Bowl 30.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, Sam, the Steelers are down by three.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_23: Al, this is the only game I care about.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_08: Wait a minute.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_08: When did this episode come out?
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_08: So, so so Al No, wait a minute, when did this episode come out, Ted?
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_08: Before we go any further.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_09: We're getting there.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_09: So so Al is in the present in the 1990s.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_09: He's talking about how he's watching Super Bowl 30 and how the Steelers are only down by three, presumably right before Donald throws that fatal interception, right?
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_09: And that's kind of cool.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_09: They worked in something from real life, something that was Pittsburgh related, right?
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_09: Well, Steve, to answer your question, this episode aired on January 17th, 1990.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_09: What the heck?
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_09: Six years before Super Bowl 30 was even played.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_08: That is insane.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_08: Wow.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_08: Although the Steelers were never really down by three at the end.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_09: No, they were.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_09: It was 20 to 17 Dallas when O'Donnell threw that second interception.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_09: And it was late in the game in the fourth quarter.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_08: People say the NFL isn't fixed.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_09: There you go.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_09: Proof of the script.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_09: The script got leaped to quantum leap producers and they put it in the episode.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_08: They have it five years out.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_09: Uh-huh.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_09: So yeah, I just I thought that was interesting.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_08: It's insane.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_08: No, that there's no way they didn't go back and edit that.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_08: That's the Cubbies win the World Series over Miami.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, come on.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_08: Uh, that's crazy.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_09: The the the show actually uh you talked about that last episode.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_09: The show ended in 1993.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_08: Well, the guy who produced it was from Pittsburgh.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_08: Actually, he was from the Donora, actually, yes.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_09: He was from Kochburg.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_09: He was from Kochburg, but it was Oh, I thought he was from D okay.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_09: It was it was yeah, he in and that that guy's name was Donald.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_09: Donald Belisario is the guy you're talking about.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_08: So he's done a ton of sh I think he did Jag, he did he he does he still do NCIS?
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_08: I he's done a ton of stuff.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_09: He's done a ton of stuff.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_09: And he and and there were other there were a couple other Pittsburgh references worked in over the years to Quantum Leap, but that one's pretty pretty crazy.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_09: Super Bowl 30, Stewart's down by three in the fourth quarter, and he's you know, so yeah.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_09: Um so that's an interesting window into something historic.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_09: Uh speaking of history, and I know Steve, this is something you often uh talk about.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_09: You know, one of the coolest things you can get with history is an eyewitness account.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_08: Well, that's the most reliable normally.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_09: The most reliable and and just like it it's so much different than reading in a book, right?
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_09: Hearing from somebody that was actually there.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_09: Uh Eleanor Dreyfus Benzwanger was the daughter of pirates owner Barney Dreyfus.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_09: And when he died, Eleanor's husband Bill ran the team.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_09: So her family basically owned the Pirates for pretty much the entire first half of the 20th century, and she had a ton of involvement in the team.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_09: Even after the team was sold to the Gale Brace, she still attended games all the way up to when the team was playing in Three River Stadium.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_09: Uh here's Eleanor talking about when her family first came to Pittsburgh.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_08: Oh my gosh.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_10: Now at that time, twelve clubs in the league, and they decided to reduce the league to eight clubs.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_10: So my father brought the Louisville club to Pittsburgh and purchased the Pittsburgh Club and consolidated the two clubs.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_10: That is how we came to live in Pittsburgh.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_10: My parents were both very much interested in music, and that is how they met.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_10: They both lived in Louisville, but they didn't know one another until I think it was in the spring of 1892.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_10: They both were on a train going to Cincinnati for the May music festival there.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_10: That's how they met, and the following October they were married.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_10: So the family came to Pittsburgh, and of course I was a very small child at the time.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_10: We lived at the Hotel Shenley for five years.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_10: Then we moved to the East End.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_10: they lived in a hotel for five years.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_08: That's that's wild.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_08: It's such a different it's hard to fathom.
• 35:57
  unknown: Yeah.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_08: You know?
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_08: But I guess it makes sense.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_08: I mean I I I don't know.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_08: Was that pre-1900 then when she's saying they move?
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_08: I don't know.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_09: It was 1899 whenever he uh that thing she talked about when they when they decided to um buy the team to to consolidate the Louisville and the and the Pittsburgh teams together.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_08: That was ninety-nine.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_09: So eighteen ninety-nine is nineteen hundred, so it was around that time that they would have been moving to Pittsburgh.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_08: Turn of the century, Tim.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_09: But but I just found that fascinating.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_09: Like hearing the voice of someone describing something that happened in the 1890s, and it's like their voice describing it.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, that's that's pretty cool.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, that is pretty interesting.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_08: And I didn't know they had who knew they had music festivals.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_08: They both met at a concert.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_09: They met on the train, not in the mosh bed.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_08: They're they were dropping gummies at the concert.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_09: I'm sure that's what the 1892 music.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_09: Cincinnati music.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_08: No, we gotta say it like her.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_08: Cincinnati music.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, I'm sure that was a wild time.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_09: I can't imagine what that was like.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_09: You don't know.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_08: Maybe they got into some rye whiskey and things got a little wild.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_09: Hey, that's right.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_09: Uh one guy who definitely wasn't alive in the 1890s is Jerome Bettis.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_09: Here's the bus.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_09: The bus talking groin injuries with David Letterman circa 2001.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_13: Uh I'm a little banged up, but uh a lot better.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_13: I had a groin injury, so I don't know if you've ever had a groin injury.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_13: Sure I have.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_13: What kind of guy do you think I am?
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_13: Well, doing what I do, I can't have an injured groin.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_13: You probably can can do this with an injured groin.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_01: I've actually injured it here.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_09: That was a funny little exchange, I thought so.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_08: Back when late-night talk shows used to be funny.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_08: Notice how he didn't like jump up and say, push sucks.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, just like actually like joke around.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_09: I I you know, not to go off on too much of a tangent here, but I I really enjoy the podcast now so much more than like that format of the five-minute interview of someone plugging their movie.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_09: Because when you have you like I I really love Conan O'Brien's podcast, for example, and he's a guy that did 20 plus years of of these kinds of late night interviews, and people people can actually talk, and it's not just five minutes of trying to come up with like a funny anecdote, right?
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_08: So Yeah.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_08: It's it's less of a bit, I guess.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_08: You're not performing.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, you get to know the person.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_09: Yep.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_09: Uh we talked about Art Rooney earlier.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_09: Here is Lynn Swan interviewing Raiders owner Al Davis at the Chiefs' funeral in 1988.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_08: Now Al Davis can't wow.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, I was just gonna say, keep in mind, if if you're too young to remember, the Raiders and Steelers at one point really hated each other.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_09: Uh Al Davis wonce submarine an entire Steelers season by filing bogus defamation lawsuits against the Steelers.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_09: The Raiders thought they got cheated in the Immaculate Reception, the Steelers thought the Raiders played dirty.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_09: And Lynn Swan was kind of at the center of all that, remember?
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, yeah, he was definitely the brunt, the the guy they picked on.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_08: The guy they thought they could pick on and get away with it, especially um what's his name, the one uh George Atkinson.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_09: And and Jack Tatum, I think, both those guys.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_09: So so what does Al Davis have to say here to Lynn Swan, a guy that the Ra the Raiders again literal quite literally tried to murder at Art Rooney's funeral?
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_09: Let's let's hear that.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_22: A while back your wife was gravely ill, and Art Rooney was someone who called and basically was by your side emotionally the whole time, wasn't he?
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_22: Yes, he was that kind of guy.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_21: He had uh just human compassion for everything.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_21: Uh, Carol Davis Marwan was in a coma for approximately 15 days.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_21: And I had the entire strength of the National Football League and the whole country behind me, and particularly Mr.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_21: Rooney, who would call regularly and uh just keep the vigil with me, although he was in Pittsburgh.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_08: Goodness, boy, they don't make him like the chief anymore, do they?
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_09: No.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_08: Talk about practicing what you preach.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_08: Oh man, what a what a sh we uh boy, I mean that's that's impressive.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_09: That incident that Davis is referring to there, where his wife suffered a massive heart attack and was in a coma for weeks, that happened in 1979.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_09: So that was literally right at the height of all this Steelers Raiders hatred.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_09: That was right after Al Davis had sued the Steelers.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_09: Right?
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_09: And the chief is just it's not like he's just, you know, doing like a token phone call or sending like a letter or something.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_09: He's literally staying on the phone with them in the hospital room just so Al Davis has somebody to process all that with.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_08: They don't make them like like that anymore.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_08: They really don't.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_08: We we all could learn a lot from that.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_09: Absolutely.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_09: Uh side note there, Carol Davis.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_08: Did she pass away after all that?
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_09: Or I I No, she com not only could did she completely recover, Steve, but at as of the time of this recording, she's still living today.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_08: Oh my goodness, I didn't know that.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_08: So is that Mark the owner of the Raiders now?
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_08: Is that his mother?
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_09: Yes, correct.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_09: Yep.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_09: So so that was Lynn Swan as a broadcaster.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_09: Uh Lynn Swan, of course, a guy that made a long career out of being a poised, well-spoken TV personality.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_09: He even ran for governor at one point.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_09: But let's hear from Lin Swan the player, or more specifically, Lynn Swan, the rookie wide receiver, who caught the game-winning touchdown pass in the 1974 AFC Championship game.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_09: Uh, and this is him being asked in the locker room after the game to walk the listening audience through what happened on that play.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_09: And Swan later admitted that he and the boys may have knocked back a few celebratory beverages before he does this interview.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_09: Take a listen.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_15: Chuck looked at me and said, Swan, go back in there and run the iCut.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_15: I'm running the game and said, Terry, I can beat him on the eye cut.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_15: Terry said, What?
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_15: What?
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_15: I said, call four split right, what he does be called to play.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_15: I made two steps outside.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_15: broke across the middle, ran to the back of the end zone, Turry poised, Wait, wait, wait, wait.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_15: fired one of the linebackers.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_15: I leaped up, caught in my hand, looked down the ground, tapped two two feet in, and it was a touchdown.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_15: From that moment on, victory was on.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_15: Pittsburgh was the happiest place in the world, and the rings shall be on.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_09: That's great.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_08: He wasn't that drunk.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_09: I mean, you know.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_08: He was just happy.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_08: He was just happy.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_08: They have a bus, a team bus, to take the bike to play.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_08: Come on, let the man, let the man celebrate.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_08: He won the Super Bowl.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_09: Uh, I I actually cut a big chunk of that out for for time.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_09: He actually does a whole setup about how he wanted to run the play.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_09: So he told Bradshaw, but then Chuck Noel sent him like a two tight end set.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_09: So then he had to talk to Noel.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_09: I mean, it was a really long story.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_09: It was definitely the guy at the bar at 1 a.m.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_09: like telling a story.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_09: But but yeah, it was it was, you know, again, he was and again, like today, all those post-game interviews are so vanilla.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_09: It's like walk us through what happened on that play.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_09: Well, you know, uh, we had the right formation and uh you know the defense has really really played strong.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_09: And you know, I mean it's just it's just a bunch of vanilla quotes.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_09: So kind of kind of entertaining.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_08: Well, because everybody rips you apart when you you if you said something you know, it would live forever on the internet.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_08: Well, I guess this will now too.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, but but at the time no one even thought twice about That even if they would have had the internet, I don't know that people would have really made a big deal about it.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_09: You know, but now that would be viral.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_09: And remember, this is between the championship game and Super Bowl.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_09: So you can even imagine like how much more that would have been magnified.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_08: Lin Swan got drunk at the end.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_08: How dare he?
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_08: I'm clutching my pearls.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_09: So so we got Lin Swan the broadcaster, Lin Swan the player.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_09: Just to complete the Lin Swan trilogy.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_09: How about Lin Swan the actor?
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_09: Uh Steve, we were talking about 90s TV shows.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_09: Do you remember the sitcom Family Matters?
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, is that with the Urkel?
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_09: Yep, that was the Urkel one.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_09: Yep.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, okay.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_08: Not a fan.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_08: I I didn't really watch it, but I was familiar.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_08: I am familiar.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_09: Well, here's Lin Swan playing Greg on Family Matters.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_23: Rachel, I need to know something.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_23: We've gone out several times now, and I think we're good for each other.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_23: Well, I think so too.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_23: You do?
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_23: I don't think I don't know.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_23: Rachel.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_23: I'd like for that to go.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_23: I'd like you to let me know now.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_23: That way we don't waste each other's time.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_23: Why don't we wait for it?
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_08: I think uh Lin Swan should have won a Grammy for that performance.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_08: Or maybe an Emmy since that's the award that TV actors get.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_09: Deep drama on Family Matters, too.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_08: What the heck?
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_08: I didn't realize no wonder I didn't like that show.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_08: I thought it was all like Lass and Steve Urkel doing silly stuff.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_08: I guess he was the comic comedic relief.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, I guess so.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_08: The father was the cop from Die Hard, right?
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_08: He was, yeah.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_08: And he was a cop on that show, yeah.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, Carl Winslow.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_09: So yeah, yeah.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_09: I mean, hey, why was he still wearing the wedding ring?
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_09: I mean, you know, legit question.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, if Lynn Swan asked me out, I wouldn't wear my wedding ring.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_09: Sticking with the Steelers here, uh in 1972, they made a play that you may have heard of.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_09: It's called The Immaculate Reception.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_08: What?
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_08: What when did that happen?
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_08: 1972.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_09: I just said that.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_09: Pay attention, Steve.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_09: Whenever you see that play, you typically hear the Jack Fleming call from the Steelers radio broadcast, or you'll hear the Kirk Gowdy call from the NBC television broadcast.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_09: Is this the radio's call?
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_09: Well, hold on.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_09: There's actually two other calls to that play.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_09: The first one we're going to hear is from Mutual Radio, which was the national radio broadcast.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_09: And the announcer here is a guy named Bob Reynolds.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_09: Take a listen.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_05: And now it is all wrapped up in this one.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_05: It is four down till ten to go.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_05: Pittsburgh's ball at their own 40-yard line, 22 seconds left to play.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_05: Back goes Bradshaw.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_05: He's looking.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_05: He's in trouble back there.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_06: He rolls out to the right.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_06: He looks.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_06: He throws deep and it is batted away.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_06: The 15.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_06: The 10.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_06: The five.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_06: The touchdown.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_06: For the fifth one.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_07: And Franco into the end goal on the 60 yard is being completely bobbed, and the clock goes only five seconds left.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_08: Five oh my So that's what all the millions of people that weren't in the stadium were listening to if they lived in another state.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_09: Correct.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_09: Yep.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, that's what they would have heard.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_09: And and uh two things about that.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_09: One, like they always talk about the roar of the crowd when that happened.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_09: Like even Terry Bradshaw, who was flat on his back and didn't see the play, he talks about he heard this roar from the crowd.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_09: You can really hear it in that clip.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_09: I mean, it like drowns out.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_08: Well, he even says that he said, You can't hear me.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, you hear that's right.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_09: Uh I I I I'm not gonna play uh more of that clip, but later on, he and whoever the other guy was, they had to start talking about like was that a legal catch?
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_09: Because the role is you can't, you know, tip it to your own player.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_09: So uh they picked up on that pretty quick, which is kind of also interesting.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_09: So the uh the other call of the Immaculate Reception is the one Steve was referring to.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_09: It's the Raiders, the Raiders radio.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_08: This guy's famous too.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_08: Like he's done a lot of like the see a hands call and I guess he called A's games because Holy Toledo was that's the the Holy Toledo guy, right?
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_08: And the the the Holy Rollers play.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, he's been there for a lot of famous Raiders play.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, and the old man Willie from the Super Bowl.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_08: Yes, yeah.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, they're going all the way.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_09: Old man Willie.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_08: So I don't know his name.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_08: I'm sorry.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, his name is yeah, good, good his name is Bill King.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_09: And um uh again, Bill King, like Steve said.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_08: He's kind of a legend in in I think Oakland.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_09: I really yeah he is, and you're right, he called A's games, he called Raiders games.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_08: Well, because that the A's game, like, they have a little sign that says Holy Toledo, which I don't know if they're taking to their next stadium.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_08: Maybe they won't.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, okay, okay.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_08: But yeah, it would like light up.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, now the A's only hit one home run the whole game that I was there, but it lit up when they hit a home run.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_09: I I think there's even a call of him calling the uh the Kirk Gibson home run.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_09: The famous Kirk Gibson home run.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, because that would have been yeah.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_09: Against the A's, yeah.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_09: So so again, pretty, pretty famous dude voiced heard, you know, especially in those old NFL films clips over and over again.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_09: So why don't we ever get Bill King's call of the Immaculate Reception?
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_09: Well, take a listen.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_09: This might explain why.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_04: Back he goes.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_04: They've got one back out, four-man pattern.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_04: He looks safe.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_04: He's in trouble.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_04: He's run to the right by Jones.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_04: He reverses.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_04: Gets up.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_04: Throws way up field.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_04: Battered down by Tatum.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_04: And in it second.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_04: From the air by Fuka.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_04: Fuck with the 40.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_04: Fuck with the noise.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_04: Frank O'Harris.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_04: Harris goes all the way for touchdown.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_04: I don't believe it.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_04: Frank O'Harris goes 40 yards.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_04: The place has exploded.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_04: The place has exploded.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_04: A Raider defensive back.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_04: Knocked the ball up in the air at about the 30.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_04: Way back Broadway, midfield.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_04: Frank O'Harris dropped the ball at the 40.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_04: Started running.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_04: Nobody realized he had the ball.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_04: He raced 40 yards for a touchdown.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_04: The Raiders are protesting something, but it's to no avail.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_08: Holy Toledo.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, no, Holy Toledo.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_08: I guess well, you know, everybody makes a mistake.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, and in Doe King's universe, Frankie Fuqua caught the reflection.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_08: So he had a lot of other really great calls.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, yeah.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_09: I I don't want to say I mean, I mean, it's hard 32 and 33, right?
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_09: That was Fuca's 33, so it's that's an easy mistake to make.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_08: It was it maybe it was Merrill Hodge.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_09: All right, well, let's end this episode with the Steelers fight song.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_09: And you might say, but Tim, the Steelers don't have a fight song.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_09: Which I would say, well, then what do you call this?
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_01: This is Tom Tracy, the Pittsburgh Steelers.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_01: Here's the Pittsburgh Steelers fight song.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_08: Like it's very college in its feel, but like more like like you ever listen to like marches by like John Philip Sousa?
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_08: It has that kind of good compared to it.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_08: Like Stars and Stripes Forever.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, this is for this is actually from a 1960 record album called the National Football League Marching Songs conducted by Bernie Green.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_08: Well, that's why it feels like a march because it is a march.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_09: And and the guy who introduced that was Tom Tracy, who at the time was a running back for the Steelers.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_09: So there you go.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_09: Pittsburgh Steelers fight song, Steve.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_09: What maybe we can get the that played at Aquisur Stadium here next year.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_08: I would be impressed.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_08: Maybe they'll have a furback to the 60s and they can play that.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_09: Maybe.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_09: Maybe.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_09: All right, folks.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_09: So that's our list of lost audio, volume two.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_09: Hopefully someday um I did cut a lot of things from here, so I'm already collecting stuff for volume two.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_08: We could have a trilogy, yes.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_09: We could have a trilogy.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_09: So so we'll we'll we'll roll that out at some point.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_09: But uh in the meantime, thanks everybody for listening.
• 53:34
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• 53:37
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• 53:39
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• 53:49
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