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Trade Predictions + Former Mets HC Eric Chavez unveils what’s wrong · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: He was a great player and then was doing a
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  Speaker 1: great job hitting coach with the New York Mets, who
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  Speaker 1: have gutted really everybody now from their coaching staff over
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  Speaker 1: the past year. Eric Schabez joining us right now and
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  Speaker 1: excited to get into a number of topics. But obviously, Eric,
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  Speaker 1: as you know, you went a little viral in the
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  Speaker 1: past twenty four hours. You were on an EC three
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  Speaker 1: pod just laying it out, which I think a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people want to hear right now. So great to
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  Speaker 1: have you on, dude. Great to catch up again, and
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  Speaker 1: I want to jump right in if you don't mind,
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  Speaker 1: Can you just summarize a little bit of what you
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  Speaker 1: went over over the past forty eight hours in terms
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  Speaker 1: of turmoil with the Mets that goes beyond what we're
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  Speaker 1: even seeing here publicly in the roster construction issues.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I met, you know, obviously with the Mets, there's
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  Speaker 2: kind of always something going on. But to be honest
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  Speaker 2: with you, the reason why I stepped out yesterday and
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  Speaker 2: kind of smoke out was Carlos is tremendous. I was
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  Speaker 2: a big fan of Carlos, got to know him with
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  Speaker 2: the Yankees organization, and I think he's a really good
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  Speaker 2: baseball guy. You know, I just I kind of feel
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  Speaker 2: like in this situation, you know, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: good baseball people that are in this game, and kind
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  Speaker 2: of analytically, you know, there's been a huge wave over
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  Speaker 2: the last you know, fifteen years, and we're losing a
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  Speaker 2: lot of good baseball people. And you know, I David
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  Speaker 2: got you know, he got tabbed pretty pretty early. You
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  Speaker 2: know that he was a genius and he's and he's
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  Speaker 2: extremely smart. But there's just been a whole stack of
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  Speaker 2: moves that have that have gone wrong, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: and sometimes that happens, but you know, there are how
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  Speaker 2: many people are gonna good baseball people are going to
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  Speaker 2: continue to lose their jobs while we're kind of waiting
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  Speaker 2: for you to deliver what everybody said you could deliver.
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  Speaker 2: And so this is for me kind of going out
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  Speaker 2: in defense of you know, obviously the coaching staff from
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  Speaker 2: the year before got got fired. Really really good baseball
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  Speaker 2: people work extremely hard, been in the game a long time,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and Carlos was kind of the odd man
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  Speaker 2: out this time. You know, it was pretty predictable that
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  Speaker 2: this was eventually going to happen. I think David did
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  Speaker 2: hold on to Carlos a little bit longer than maybe
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  Speaker 2: fans would have wanted, so kind of credit to him
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  Speaker 2: for doing that. But you know, this is you know,
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  Speaker 2: Carlos is a good baseball man. I hate to see
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  Speaker 2: it happen. You know, the Phillies fired. You know Rob Thompson,
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  Speaker 2: who's another really good, you know baseball guy, and it
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  Speaker 2: probably you know, sometimes a move does need to be made.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying, you know, firing somebody or even like
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  Speaker 2: myself from the year before. You know, you make subtle changes.
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  Speaker 2: You don't make household changes. I think that's really backfired.
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  Speaker 2: If you know, if if you had just fired me
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  Speaker 2: from the year before and made a move or two
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  Speaker 2: on the coaching staff, maybe you move one or two
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  Speaker 2: players of those core players from the Mets, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I think would have been probably the right move to make.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, this is like I said, this is
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  Speaker 2: just me in defense of Carlos. What a good baseball
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  Speaker 2: person he was. I enjoyed my time working with him,
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  Speaker 2: and I know he's going to land on his feet
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  Speaker 2: again with a big, big job here soon.
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  Speaker 3: Hey Chovy, I love that you're doing this too, because
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  Speaker 3: obviously there's a saying you can't fire all the players.
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  Speaker 3: Someone has to take the fall. And I know you
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  Speaker 3: mentioned kind of the Phillies and firing their manager. But
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  Speaker 3: in the defense of the Phillies, they didn't really bring
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  Speaker 3: in a bunch of new people in terms of their roster.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe a new voice was needed there. Carlos didn't pick
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  Speaker 3: the players that he had to manage on the field.
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  Speaker 3: That is a David Stearns issue. So the fact that
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  Speaker 3: you're coming to his defense saying the mander has to
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  Speaker 3: take the fall. Manager can only manage the players that
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  Speaker 3: he is given. And the fact that they went out
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  Speaker 3: and said that they were going to kind of create
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  Speaker 3: this you know, run prevention, then you have guys playing
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  Speaker 3: positions that they've never really played for. It feels very
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  Speaker 3: unfair for Carlos to kind of take the fall.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that's kind of my point, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And and Carlos has taken a lot of heat, you know,
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  Speaker 2: over the last couple of years, and his first year
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  Speaker 2: we went to the NLCS, so you know, he's capable
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  Speaker 2: of taking a team to where they need to go. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I do feel like this is a reflection you know,
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  Speaker 2: front offices. Well, I can't speak about all of them,
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  Speaker 2: but you know most of them now. You know, it's
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  Speaker 2: it's completely changed in the last fifteen to twenty years.
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  Speaker 2: They have more of an influence, they have more of
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  Speaker 2: a say. They are you know, coaches used to be
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  Speaker 2: involved in off season acquisitions and free agents and you know,
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  Speaker 2: they'd be at the winter meetings and they would have
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  Speaker 2: a voice. And it's not so much that way anymore.
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  Speaker 2: You're kind of just told, you know, this is who
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  Speaker 2: are who were getting, this is who you're going to play.
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  Speaker 2: And that's just the way it is. It's it's where
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  Speaker 2: the game's at now. And you know, I just I'm
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  Speaker 2: I'm over analytics, Like I feel like it's had its run.
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  Speaker 2: It and I'm not saying we need to get rid
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  Speaker 2: of it. It's not going anywhere, but we just need
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  Speaker 2: to put it in its place. Like there's obviously, you know,
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  Speaker 2: there's benefits to having analytics and knowing numbers, but we're
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  Speaker 2: doing analytical hires right There's you know, to have an
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  Speaker 2: analytical uh part of your organization is fine, but we're
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  Speaker 2: we're kind of heading in direction of having analytics in
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  Speaker 2: leadership roles and you know, it's it takes a special
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  Speaker 2: type of leader individual, somebody who's not afraid of confrontation
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  Speaker 2: to kind of be a leader. And I don't think
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  Speaker 2: that always Analytically, you know, some of these guys have
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  Speaker 2: that type of background. And I'm not saying that they
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  Speaker 2: they can't possess that, but yeah, it's just to me,
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  Speaker 2: it's an unfortunate situation. You know, I I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to be you know, slamming David. It's not you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's you know, he did a great job in Milwaukee,
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  Speaker 2: but the just the moves haven't panned out. And this
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  Speaker 2: is what it's all about, right, It's players are you know,
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  Speaker 2: if we're able to take a lot of heat for
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  Speaker 2: making money and we're not performing well. Now you know,
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  Speaker 2: you're the highest paid GM, You're you're at the forefront
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  Speaker 2: of this, like you have to deliver and now you've
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  Speaker 2: got to take the criticism when you don't deliver. So,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like I said, for me, it's just defensive
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  Speaker 2: of the coaches and the good baseball people, the boots
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  Speaker 2: on the ground that do the hard work, and yet
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  Speaker 2: we're kind of just subject to, you know, the front
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  Speaker 2: offices and analytically the moves that they make, and we
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  Speaker 2: take the brunt of it when it doesn't look good.
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  Speaker 2: And so that's why I said he's running out of
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  Speaker 2: bullets in the chamber, because you know, you whack the
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  Speaker 2: staff from before. Now Carlos is gone. Now it's his turn.
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  Speaker 2: Now it's it's you know, it's going to be time
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  Speaker 2: for him to step up. And it'll be interesting to
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  Speaker 2: see what happens the rest of the year. They have
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  Speaker 2: a great owner. Mister Cohen is unbelievable. I really firmly
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  Speaker 2: believe he's going to get his winner there. It just
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  Speaker 2: hasn't worked out for David and the moves just haven't
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  Speaker 2: worked out at all.
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  Speaker 4: So the moves that you're talking about when you talk
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  Speaker 4: about you, all we heard was dissension in the clubhouse.
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  Speaker 4: We hear things like, oh, you know, this guy's got
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  Speaker 4: to get out of there, and then it's perceived when
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  Speaker 4: these guys leave as those were good guys. What what
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  Speaker 4: exactly happened is that what you were seeing and all
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  Speaker 4: that like talk from the media and outside was not
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  Speaker 4: true or not as big as what people were saying.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's definitely it's definitely not as big. I mean, look, guys,
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  Speaker 2: we've all been in clubhouses like, it's not always roses.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes I played in clubhouses that were unbelievable that everybody
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  Speaker 2: did love each other. But you know, not every winning
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  Speaker 2: team has a clubhouse that gets along, you know, not
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  Speaker 2: every you know, not every player loves their manager. You know,
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  Speaker 2: managers are usually disliked more than they are liked. Like
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  Speaker 2: the ones that are liked are very few and far between.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, yeah, there was there were some things,
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  Speaker 2: but ultimately, when you lose, these things kind of leak out,
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  Speaker 2: and especially in New York, everybody wants to have a
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  Speaker 2: reason why things aren't going right, you know, But there
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  Speaker 2: was nothing in that clubhouse. You know, stuff with Nemo
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  Speaker 2: and the political stuff, and it's like that stuff like
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  Speaker 2: it's so comical. It's like we just want to put
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  Speaker 2: something out there for for some bait or whatever. But no,
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  Speaker 2: it's it was a good collection of guys. I firmly
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  Speaker 2: believe this, I really do. When David started to gut
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  Speaker 2: whatever you wanted to do with the coaching staff whatever,
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  Speaker 2: that was fine. But when you take a core of
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  Speaker 2: the players that were beloved in that city, that grew
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  Speaker 2: up in that organization, and you kind of just rip
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  Speaker 2: it apart. Now you really don't have an identity, right,
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  Speaker 2: and it's not a reflection of the players that were
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  Speaker 2: brought in, right, the Bashets, the Roberts like good players,
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  Speaker 2: maybe some injury history, whatever it is. But you can't
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  Speaker 2: just you know, throw money at it, put some names,
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  Speaker 2: put some players together, you know, and kind of expect
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  Speaker 2: them to just kind of take off and running. Like
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  Speaker 2: it's a really really hard thing to do. And then
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  Speaker 2: you got a whole new coaching staff and it takes time.
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  Speaker 2: Like even for me when I was there with those players,
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  Speaker 2: it took me three or four years to really get
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  Speaker 2: extremely comfortable building my relationship with these guys where I
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  Speaker 2: can have certain conversations with them. Like, it takes time.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm not surprised at all, you know, Like I said,
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  Speaker 2: you look at the Phillies, right, everybody was screaming, blow
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  Speaker 2: it up. These guys are too old. And Dombroski stayed
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  Speaker 2: the course. He believes in his staff. He made one
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  Speaker 2: pivotal move, probably one you know, emotionally that he didn't
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  Speaker 2: really want to make, but he knew he needed to
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  Speaker 2: do something, not gut it all out. And now his
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  Speaker 2: patience and you know, his experience is kind of shining
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  Speaker 2: through and they're going to make a run at this thing.
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  Speaker 2: That's a really, really good team and they've done it before.
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  Speaker 2: And if they have help on their side, you know
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  Speaker 2: they're going to make a move at the break and
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  Speaker 2: they're going to try to chase down the braves. So
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  Speaker 2: just two different paths and ways of going about it.
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  Speaker 2: And you got to tip your hat to Dobrawski. Like
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  Speaker 2: Philly is a tough town, and they were calling for
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  Speaker 2: people's heads and fire this guy and fire that guy.
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  Speaker 2: And he stayed the course. He made the one big
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  Speaker 2: move and it's paid off.
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  Speaker 3: Speaking of firing or let go, I mean if you
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  Speaker 3: could share what was kind of the conversation for you know,
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  Speaker 3: guys like yourself and Jeremy Hefner not coming back. And
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  Speaker 3: my second question is do you see something happening here
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  Speaker 3: kind of in the second half of the season where
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  Speaker 3: the Mets can do something, going to run and be
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  Speaker 3: the team that people thought they could be.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no. He needs to sell what
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  Speaker 2: he could sell and try to, you know, and and
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  Speaker 2: make a commitment to the future, right Want's going to
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  Speaker 2: be there for fifteen years. Lendor's there. You know, I
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  Speaker 2: would I would move now that you're kind of in
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  Speaker 2: this position, you know, I would make moves to kind of,
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  Speaker 2: you know, get what you can get and make the
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  Speaker 2: young players that are up there playing right now benj
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  Speaker 2: and phenomenal players, but there are some players that they
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  Speaker 2: need to kind of move on from and make a
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  Speaker 2: commitment to the future, like it's it's not going to
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  Speaker 2: be in the cards for them this year. Unfortunately. My
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  Speaker 2: conversation though, when you know, when it ended with David
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  Speaker 2: and this was you know, kind of an issue that
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  Speaker 2: I had with him, was it was just very quick,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it was, hey, we're going to move on.
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  Speaker 2: I said, okay, great, and then that was it. There
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  Speaker 2: wasn't you know for me, like the lack of the
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  Speaker 2: lack of the human part of what we do emotionally
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  Speaker 2: and you guys, I mean you guys know like coaches,
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  Speaker 2: like the amount of hours that they put in it's
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  Speaker 2: it's very thankless, and especially from the from the hitting department.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I was in that cage from from two
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  Speaker 2: o'clock till six thirty and sometimes even after the game.
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  Speaker 2: Guys would want to hit. So you're you're full on
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  Speaker 2: emotionally committed physically, the season is a monster. We're away
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  Speaker 2: from family. So for you know, for somebody, especially in
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  Speaker 2: my position, that I've been in this game for a
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  Speaker 2: really really long time, like I've you know, even when
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  Speaker 2: I was done playing, you know, I was in front offices.
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  Speaker 2: I was getting to know the analytical part of the
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  Speaker 2: game and diving into it and to have that conversation
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  Speaker 2: just be like, you know, hey, do you thanks for
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  Speaker 2: your hard work? Whatever it is, like, there was no
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  Speaker 2: hard feelings, like we all know the saying in the
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  Speaker 2: game as you get hired to get fired, like it
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  Speaker 2: was it's inevitable. We all have, you know, are kind
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  Speaker 2: of timing that it's gonna run out. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: I just felt like that that staff there, you know,
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  Speaker 2: with the half Nerd. Now you look at half Ner
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  Speaker 2: you look at Antoine Richard Richardson over in Atlanta, and
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  Speaker 2: they're they're excelling, right, you just let go really really
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  Speaker 2: good proven coaches. Antoine Richardson is probably one of the
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  Speaker 2: best first base coaches, one of the smartest people that
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  Speaker 2: I've that I've ever been around. You know, if you
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  Speaker 2: were going to keep anybody that was definitely the guy
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  Speaker 2: to keep, and you know I would have easily taken it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I would have been the guy that that
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  Speaker 2: had been fired fire me, But there was too many
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  Speaker 2: other good people that that have that have kind of
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  Speaker 2: been in this game, and some friends of mine, and
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  Speaker 2: it's just, you know, the game. They just got done,
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  Speaker 2: you know, not the right way, and sometimes that's the
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  Speaker 2: way it goes. But as far as for the Mets
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  Speaker 2: this year, yeah, I don't I don't really see them
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  Speaker 2: having the pieces to make a run. There's just too
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  Speaker 2: many moving pieces and you know, talk about I'm not
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  Speaker 2: going to say run prevention anymore, it's pitching in defense
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  Speaker 2: where you have too many guys out of position, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's just I don't see the pieces there
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  Speaker 2: to make the run.
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  Speaker 3: You consider some of the things you were talking about analytical,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the fact that you know, we know how
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  Speaker 3: I know how hard coaches are. You know, being a
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  Speaker 3: player is hard, but the hours that coaches put in
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  Speaker 3: are almost double the players.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 3: The fact that you couldn't have more of a conversation
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  Speaker 3: than just thanking you, because that was my issue when
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  Speaker 3: I got done too, is I just wanted to be
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  Speaker 3: treated like a human being. I don't want to be
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  Speaker 3: treated like a number. I just wanted someone to say
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  Speaker 3: whether they were lying and just said, hey, I appreciate
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  Speaker 3: you coming out, love what you did for this team,
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  Speaker 3: best luck in the future.
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  Speaker 6: But I couldn't even get that.
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  Speaker 2: To me.
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  Speaker 3: That feels very analytical. Is that kind of what you're
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  Speaker 3: referring to, as well to meeting people that are leaders,
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  Speaker 3: that are men, that could talk to you like a
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  Speaker 3: grown man that deserves a conversation of why you're not
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  Speaker 3: coming back at least thank you for what you did
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  Speaker 3: for this team, tell you how you can improve or
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  Speaker 3: whatever it might be.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's definitely the disconnect. And and I think
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  Speaker 2: we have you know, and I've talked about this too,
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  Speaker 2: it's we're we're we're we have hires, you know, coaches,
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  Speaker 2: managers that have you know, not done this before. You know,
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  Speaker 2: they haven't put in the time, they haven't put in
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  Speaker 2: the sweat, they haven't gone through the rigors of a
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  Speaker 2: of a major league season, and we're we're kind of appointing,
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  Speaker 2: you know, these leadership positions to people that haven't done it.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't I don't care what anybody says. Experience
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  Speaker 2: is massive. It's the number one factor. You know. It's
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  Speaker 2: like we we all learned from our parents. We all learn,
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  Speaker 2: you know, from the players that I grew up with,
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  Speaker 2: the veterans that came through. They taught me how to
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: play the game, and I just wanted to be able
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: to stay in the game and pass that along. But
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: that all comes with the experience. And we're you know,
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: we're kind of appointing people right away, Like you know,
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: David got a huge contract. Great, awesome, and it's like, well, well,
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: hold on a second, Like what has he accomplished to
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: deserve that contract other than we heard this guy is
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: really really smart? But what have you accomplished in this game?
• 16:08
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: Like I talk about theo Epstein all the time, Like,
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: you know, you go to the Cubs and the Boston
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: organizations that were starving for a World Series and for
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: him to kind of you know, put his imprint on
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: that and deliver that to those cities was spectacular. That
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: that's a proven product, right, And I just think now
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: in the game, you know, we have people that are
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: you know, I would never just want to be a GM, right, Like,
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know anything about being a GM, but put
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: me in the assistant GM spot for like five or
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: six years so I can learn to get to that point.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: And I think that's what we're lacking, where you know,
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: there's coaches that have never been in a big league
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: dugout that are coaching big league players that have never
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: been through a season, Like what is what is an
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: analytical or a coach that has never been through it
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: gonna tell player that's, oh, for twenty five that is
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: ready to, you know, just quit the game and life
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: is just miserable, Like what is what is that guy
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: gonna tell him? What conversations are you going to have?
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: And to me that that's what we're missing as well,
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: like you're taking you know, the game's gotten a lot younger,
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: which I'm saying, like the game is really good. There's
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: a lot of good players. Pitching is unbelievable. We're seeing
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: a lot of good things, and there's some things maybe
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: behind the scenes that we can kind of tweak and
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: get a little bit better. But the veterans, we're losing
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: the veterans of this game right Like last year we
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: had young players that were in veteran roles being you know,
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: only playing once or twice a week, Like a twenty
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: two year old kid right needs to be playing like
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: he doesn't know how to stay ready. You need a veteran,
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: You need a Kevin Pillar who's been there, done that,
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: who's mentally tough, who's kind of been through it all
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: to you know, to kind of lead some of these
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: younger guys. And I think, I think in our in
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: our game, that's kind of what we're missing. We're missing
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: the leadership type of personalities. And you know, it's it's
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: being replaced by people that really don't have experience. Like
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: I can't even tell you who half the managers are
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: right now in the game. I don't know what they've
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: I'd have to go look them up and see what
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: their their background is. Like it's it's it's kind of
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: headed in a direction that you know, I just I
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: just don't agree with it. And if you look at it,
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: if you look at this from from a corporation, right,
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: a billion dollars corporations that can generate billions of dollars,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: and we're making we're making hires to where people have
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: no experience and what they're doing, like from a common
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: sense standspoint, that makes no sense to me at all.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: And so, yeah, there are some as good as things
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: are in baseball right now and how popular it is
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: with the fans, which is great, there are some other
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: issues that we need to tackle and get a little
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: bit better at.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: So I'm want to finish with this because the part
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: you mentioned the other day about Wuan Soto definitely went
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: off too. So can you explain that? And then for fans,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: I mean some fans were like, well, you know, isn't
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: that the coaching staff's fall for for Soto versus the
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: front office in terms of him kind of doing his
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: own thing? And how you balance that anyway with a
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: guy who signed for a long time who produces. So
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: can you run through what happened there?
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah? No, And I want to make sure I reiterate this.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: That was not a reflection on one. More than anything,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: it tells you the human the human side of one
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: where you know, emotionally he made a huge life decision,
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: you know, and it was just a really tough two
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: months for him in the beginning. Everybody saw it, right,
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: it was you weren't seeing the joyful Wan Soto. You know,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: he's twenty six, he's already won World Series MVP. He's
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: one of the best players on the planet. I just
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: think it was a really, really tough transition. But I
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: feel like, you know, from a from a leadership standpoint,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: and this is what I'm talking about, kind of the disconnect.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: And I refer to yesterday in our podcast that you know,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Billy Bean had a huge conversation with me and he
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: called me out, you know, and he was like, why
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: didn't you run that out like Derek Jeter runs us
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: out all the time. And he pulled me up during
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: the game, and he had looked me right in the face. Right,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: It wasn't a roundabout. It wasn't you know, through a
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: coach or the manager.
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: And there's there's some players, you know, when you commit
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: to somebody long term, right, I think you know, the
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: voice of the general manager, especially if you have that
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: relationship and connection goes a lot further, right. And you know,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: of course you have and we just talked about this
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: the leaders on the team, right, the veteran guy to
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: kind of pull him aside and be like, hey man,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: this isn't right, you know, And whether that's supposed to
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: come from the manager. Carlos is managing the game he
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: doesn't know what's going on back there, right, And you know,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: I had reference that there was an assistant GM that
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: sat with Wan that didn't really Hey, you know, don't
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: you think it's a good idea, like, you know, let's
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: get out there support your team, like those guys are
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: out there supporting you. I just I felt like there
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: was a few things that happened that, you know, I
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: just didn't agree with from a leadership standpoint. And you know,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: when other players kind of see other players, you know,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: going through certain things, and it can kind of create
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: a little bit of a disconnect. There was nothing crazy,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: nothing bad. It wasn't a terrible clubhouse. It wasn't a
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: great clubhouse, but not ever, like I said earlier, not
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: every clubhouse is great. And this wasn't a reflection on
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: want wants tremendously. He's a great human being to give
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: you the shirt off of his back. So I want
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: to be very clear. I wasn't saying anything about Wand
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: it was more, you know, it's just like he is
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: twenty six, right, there was I was. It took me
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: a long time to you know, kind of take responsibility
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: and you know, your reflection of the organization the younger
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: players are going to look to you. You're the guy
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: that signed there for fifteen years. You have a responsibility
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: to the city and the organization to go about through
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: your business the right way. And I just thought that
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: was a real good teaching moment, right because if you
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: addressed the best player on the team, nobody else on
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: the team has excuse to do anything else, Like you
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: have to show up and be professional and do what
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: you're supposed to do. And I felt at that moment,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: you know, that should have came, especially when I addressed
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: it and brought it up, like that should have came
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: from somebody higher up. I'm not gonna say it should
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: have been this person or that person, but it just
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: didn't happen, and it kind of went unspoken about and
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: it was just a really bad look.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, thanks for bringing stuff to like because people
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: want insight. I mean, the game is also run by fans.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Fans want to hear what's going on, especially when you
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: know things are not being produced on the field the
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: way that the team, you know, hopes to be. So
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: a lot more from Eric. Listen to the EC three
• 22:41
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• 22:44
  Speaker 1: so you can listen to the whole part about the
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Mets there. But Eric, thanks for joining us.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Really appreciate your timing the insight.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, appreciate it. Thanks for having me on.
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  Speaker 1: once we say go by to the TV crowd. KP
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: your thoughts.
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, so yeah.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: I came up with these at breakfast this morning, and
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: I wanted to give the Chicago White Sox a little
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: bit of love on what they're doing. And obviously they've
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: been able to build within so I don't think they
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: want to necessarily spend a lot of their prospect capital
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: to bring in a guy. But Michael Walka has been,
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: you know, kind of a revelation in this second half
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: of his career and has been super consistent, and I
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: feel like him coming into that rotation would just kind
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: of help bring an adult in that room and bring
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: a level of consistency to allow the White Sox to
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: kind of just ride out this kind of amazing season
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: that they're on. And then you know, you look at
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: the rest of the list. You talked about how bad
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: the Atlanta Braves have been hurt with injuries with the
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: starting pitching, and they've had guys step up, but it's
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: starting to kind of fade a little bit, could you
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: Genterrek Scooble paired up with Chris Sale at the top
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: of your rotation, talk about an all time one two
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: a punch heading into a postseason series. And obviously, to me,
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: the Phillies are the team that and the Dodgers, but
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: the Phillies are the team. You have two left handed
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: starting pitchers. It matches up really nice with the Philadelphia Phillies.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: We can't talk enough about the Cubs and the injuries
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: that they've had to their starting rotation, and they're continually
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: having injuries to their starting rotation. I know they went
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: out and got David Peterson to kind of fill in,
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: and he's obviously had his ups and downs in his career,
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: but you know, kind of a steady guy. Joe Ryan
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: would look really good in a Cub's uniform.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, so recapping here so far, KP has Michael Wakatt
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: to the White Sox. Love it if the Royals are
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: willing to deal someone like that makes a ton of sense.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Not going to cost as much in terms of long
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: term assets, right, Still something that you need to give
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: up some juice for, but not the amount that it
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: would take to get someone like Scooble who you have
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: going to the Braves makes a ton of sense. Joe Ryan,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: you have going to the Cubs would be a huge addition.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: And I think, I mean when you're looking at these guys,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: these are playoff starters, right KP Like walk is going
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: to start a playoff game for the White Sox if
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: he ends up there, school of course would start a
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: playoff game for anyone Joe Ryan, same thing for a
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Cub starting rotation that would be decimated. Now you have
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: two position player ideas the bottom that I thought both
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: were fascinating. One like makes more sense than the other
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: based on what you hear publicly. But that doesn't mean
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: that Byron Buxton won't get traded. So walk me through
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: that second, that fourth one on your list in the
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: first one in terms of position players, do you think
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: that Byron Buckston actually will be dealt?
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Do you think that what we're getting is a facade?
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Right now? From the team saying they're not looking to
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: move him, and Buxton saying I'm not asking for anything.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think location matters. Where did I have him
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: going again, I can't remember?
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: Tampa? Yeah, Tampa, that's right.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I tried to factor in location to it. And yeah,
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: I mean I get it. Byron Bucksen holds all the
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: leverage in that situation. And I do love the idea
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: that there was still a player out there that kind
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: of wants to follow the Jeter model of like I
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: signed up to be with this team for the duration
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: of my career or the duration of my contract. And
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: the fact that he's saying publicly obviously makes it a
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: little bit more difficult to do. But I did factor
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: in location, you know, him being you know, a guy
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: from the South. You know, the Tampa Bay Rays could
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: obviously use a guy. I think the way he's playing
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: and how much money he's owed, I think fits kind
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: of the raise threshold of how much they're willing to
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: pay a player. And then you know the last one
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: with Jared Durant, I mean, I think you know, with
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: where the where Boston is at in terms of the
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: record and underperforming and the fact that to start the year,
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: it was like Jared Durant wasn't going to play the outfield,
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: he was going to DH It felt like they had
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: all these kind of moving parts. Eventually, Roman Anthony is
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: gonna come back, but he hasn't had the best year.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: But I still think he has some trade value you
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: in him and the Padres, you know, could use another
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: kind of just exciting player in their outfield. I know
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Ramon Lariano is going to miss some time. I know
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: right handed, left handed, but I think Jared Durant would
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: be a nice fit in San Diego.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: His name has floated around KRATS for years now and
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: it hasn't actually happened.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because it hasn't happened because they know he's an
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: electric player and they know that. Yes, they have a
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: lot of pieces, but they're needing them all because they
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: didn't go out and get anybody. I mean, you're hoping
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: Yoshida comes back and does something for your team and
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: then you know, oh wait, no, we're going to probably
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: get rid of him. Now he's getting at bass for
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: this team, and then Duran. Now Roman Anthony's not in there.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: I think they built this team with some definite position
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: player flaws, and I think the Red Sox are at
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: an inflection point this season. Do they put him back
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: up on the block. That was my favorite one of everything,
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: other than the fact that you essentially trolled the Twins
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: for trading Byron bucks And when he said, what he
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: said was nobody's talked to him. He hasn't gone to anybody.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: That just means nobody's approached him with a nice little deal.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Right, It could be selective. Also, hey, factor this it's real.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the exact number is, but I
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: know it's not nothing. You know, Minnesota taxes versus Florida
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: taxes the rest of the way there like that. That
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: part does make sense. He's from Georgia. I'm with you here, Kratz.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Byron Buckson is not going the route of say Mike Trout,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: who for a while really wouldn't go anywhere. I think
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: maybe now he'd be open to a conversation. I think
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: buck would be open to a conversation. He's just he's
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: obviously not going to initiate it. He's not that guy.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Rarely in MLB do players request trades anyway, But if
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: the Twins say, hey, this is it we're eight games back.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: It's the trade deadline. Your value is sky high. We've
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: got this awesome offer from the Rays or the Braves.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: I think he's going. I think he's waiving it, and
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: he's going, you know, if the numbers match up for
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: him tax wise. I'm sure. I don't know what Georgia
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: is matched up with Minnesota, but that all gets done
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes anyway. They figure that part out, because
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: that's part of the no trade cause too. You're generally
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: not going to go to a team where it's costing
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: you if you can control that. But I think he's
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: going to play for a tender if he wants.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: How many players from the Twins or previous players that
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: were Twins have we had on since last trade deadline
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: that said we had no idea, We had no idea
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: this was going they were going to do it like this.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: So just because we don't hear anything today June twenty ninth,
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: doesn't mean that the Twins ownership isn't going to be like,
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: we do need to cut a little bit more, and
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: I think we could rebuild because Byron Bucks is only
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: making fifteen a year for the next two years.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: The reason why I don't think it'll happen. Is I
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: think they'll trade Joe Ryan, They'll trade Ryan Jeffers. That'll
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: clear some money. And I think that what they're trying
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: to do is you get a different pull. Lad brother
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: take over the reins for the last six months, and
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: he's trying to say that they're more competitive. So if
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: you trade Bucks and you kind of go against everything
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: you said, Morale is already super low fan Morale out
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: in Minneapolis. So I think Buckson's the guy that they keep, right,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like Arty Moreno keeping trapped for years. Right,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: that's the ticket. Right now, you go to Minnesota, you're
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: watching Byron Bucks and play. That's the level that you're
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: getting and seeing a superstar every day, regardless of how
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: the team's playing. But anyway, agree or disagree, or like
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: or don't like anything from KP's less let us know
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: if you like us playing that game anyway the trade machine,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: then comment and we'll do more of them.