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Mega Edition: The Interview That Ended Prince Andrew's Grift (6/6/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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So at this point, my guess is everybody's familiar with
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Prince Andrew's Hindenberg level crash of an interview that he
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gave to Emily maitliss Well. Now the producer behind it all,
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who chased him down and set the interview up is
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dishing some tea over at the Daily Email. So why
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don't we just dive right into this article today and
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see what Sam McAllister, the producer and author of this article,
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has to say. Headline the full inside story behind Prince
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Andrew's car crash TV interview. The woman who set it
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all up reveals Beatrice listened to him, discussed teen sex
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claims and says each time I thought he couldn't say
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anything worse, he did. There's no doubt it was one
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of the worst displays I have ever seen of somebody
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giving a interview or a public speech or anything like that.
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Talk about open mouth and insert foot. How many things
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that he said during that interview have come back to
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haunt him. I can't sweat. I'm allergic to this. I
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was in Woking. I don't know her. I mean, come on,
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all of it has come back to boomerang and bust
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him directly in his stupid ass head. We were sitting
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face to face around the small table in Buckingham Palace,
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three of us from BBC Newsnight, plus Prince Andrew, his
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private secretary, and Princess Beatrice, who was writing in a notebook.
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At stake was the interview every broadcaster across the world
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would have given their right arm to do. Just then
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would Andrew agree to go on TV and talk about
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his friendship with Epstein. What followed was an intense two
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hours of questioning from the Prince and his daughter, and
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with every minute it became clearer that this wasn't one yet.
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So even to get the interview, Sam McAllister, the producer,
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had to run the gauntlet basically right. She had to
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sit down with Amanda Thrask, who was the Secretary at
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the time, and Princess Beatrice as well as Prince Andrew
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as they work through what the interview might entail. So
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I'm blown away that they were even able to get
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this interview, honestly, and if Prince Andrew could go back
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in time, I'm pretty sure that he'd go back in
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time and strike this one from everybody's memory as a
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Newsnight producer, I'd been pursuing this for months and was
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desperate to land it. So as we talked, I decided
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to give Prince and I decided to give it to
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Prince Andrew very bluntly, sir, I have lived in this
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country for over forty years, and until now I only
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knew two things about you. It's that you are known
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as air Miles Andy and Randy Andy, and I can
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absolutely tell you that the latter really doesn't help you
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in your current predicament. Had I blown our chances of
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landing the interview of a lifetime my colleagues, presenter Emily
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Maitliss and Newsnight Deputy editor Stuart Maclin looked genuinely shocked.
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There was a long pause, then Andrew laughed. The room
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collectively exhaled. I mean, is she wrong? What do we
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really know about this guy? Besides the fact that he's
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a grifter, He was terrible at the functionary role he
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was put in to represent the nation and the Queen,
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and we also know he is somebody with a proclivity
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to be a sick and disgusting bastard. It had started
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innocuously an email from a pr to me in November
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twenty eighteen, suggesting a chat about pitch at Palace, Prince
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Andrew's initiative to support entrepreneurs around the world. Would Newsnight
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like to interview him, interview him about it? Of course
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they want to do that, right and the Prince now
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before the scandal really broke off, right, So the Prince
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of course is trying to get as much publicity for
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his little project as possible so he can get more
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people like mister Turk to come in and give him some,
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you know, dirty money. Allegedly, the simple answer was no.
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We never agreed to puff pieces and never allow interviewees
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to give conditions. So I politely declined, do come back
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to me if the position changes. I signed off. It
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seems so unlikely that I didn't even tell my boss.
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I assumed I'd never hear from their pr again. But
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six months later I did. Prince Andrew was now open
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to a broader chat. Would I be interested in learning more?
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Absolutely so. This is a career maker right here. If
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you're a producer, a field producer, and you get a
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chance to produce a segment like this, this literally is
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a career changer. You can write your own ticket. After this,
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everybody from ABC to CNN, the Fox News to BBC
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to wherever you want to go is gonna give you
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a job because securing this kind of interview, this is
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a big deal for a field producer, for sure. The
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pr said she needed to talk to Andrew's private secretary,
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Amanda Thirsk, and she'd be back in touch. It was
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the first time I'd heard Amanda's name, and I immediately
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googled her. Now, Amanda Thirsk was basically Prince Andrew's handler
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for years until this Newsnight interview. Once this interview happened,
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Amanda Thirsk was jettison to the wayside. She sounded suitably impressive,
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a woman who had worked for the Prince for seven years,
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but who'd previously been a banker in the city. The
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picture that emerged after talking to a couple of friends
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was someone formidable, clever, thorough and fiercely loyal to Prince Andrew.
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Shortly afterwards, I was invited to meet Amanda at Buckingham Palace.
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I'm not going to lie. I was excited to go,
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but at this stage I wasn't hopeful about landing an interview. Now, look,
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I get it. That has to be a pretty exciting
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thing to be invited to Buckingham Palace, just like getting
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invited to the White House has to be a pretty
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exciting thing. But when you're going there for this kind
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of interview, yeah, I'm pretty sure that puts a damper
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on all of the excitement. As far as I knew,
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no member of the Royal family had ever been on Newsnight,
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We had no connections in the palace. It was rare
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to even do a royal story. Why on earth would
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Prince Andrew want to talk to us, My guess is
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it has to do with the fact that you never
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do royal stories. He wanted it to appear that it
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was a neutral outlet doing the story on him, but
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it really boomeranged right. The rubber band effect for Prince
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Andrew was pretty brutal. Here. All I could see was
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a load of armed police at an open gate and
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couldn't believe anyone and just walked into Buckingham Palace that way.
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But that's exactly what happened. They looked me up on
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a list, took my ID and rang through to someone
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who sanctioned my entry. The sea of police and guns
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parted and I began the long walk to the palace door. Yeah,
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how many massage therapists have made the same walk going
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to see Uncle Touchy in the middle of the night.
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The hundreds of tourists stacked up against the gates stared
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as I traped across the cobbles, somewhat impeded by a
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perilously high pair of knee high golden hieled Kurt Geiger boots.
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I have no idea what those are, but my guess
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is they're not that comfortable. I was directed to a
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modest waiting room that featured a tiny marble mantlepiece with
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a large gilt mirror and a loudly ticking wooden clock.
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On a little table sat a frame picture of Her
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Majesty in a yellow jacket and a hat. Sounds like
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you know when you have a grandma that you go
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visit and she has like an antique room that you're
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not supposed to go into. Sounds like where this lady
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ended up. Feeling daring, I picked up the black frame.
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It wasn't heavy. It looked like a cheap wooden frame
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from Ikea. As I sat there, I could hear the
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staff chattering about some royal visit to Sansbury and watched
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as a soldier came in, removed his huge bearskin cap
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and talked for a moment about the day. Then two
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prs arrived and we were taken upstairs in old fashioned lifts,
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past huge busts of former kings and queens and through
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swaths of empty corridors. Amanda's office was a small room
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peppered with pictures of Prince Andrew and his family. Now,
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if anyone could be considered a confidant of Prince Andrew,
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it was Amanda Thirsk for all of these years, and
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the fact that he let her go the way he
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did it tells you everything you need to know about
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the disaster that was this interview, and she played a
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gigantic part in setting it all up and okaying it.
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So somebody had to be the fall person here, and
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it ended up being Amanda. She was exactly as I expected,
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impeccable manners, thorough and direct, not a hair out of place.
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We talked for two hours and agreed that the interview
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would encompass everything from Brexit to the future of the monarchy,
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as well as any other relevant issues that arose. Then
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a man just said there was just one red line.
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We couldn't talk about the issue of Andrew's friendship with Epstein.
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My heart sank. Oh. I wonder why you can't talk
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about that. Why is that a no go zone? Could
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it have something to do with the fact that Andrew
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knee deep in all of this, had his stupid ass
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nose involved in all of it, and not only that,
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as we all know, allegedly abused Virginia. So yeah, probably
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not a topic that he wants to bring up. Back then,
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Jeffrey Epstein wasn't a name that rang bells for a
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lot of people, even so I knew we had to
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decline the interview. This was in May twenty nineteen. Eight
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weeks later, Epstein was arrested. Twelve weeks later, he was dead.
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The full scale of his criminal behavior was coming into
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sharp focus, and Virginia Roberts and other survivors had started
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to speak. They'd been speaking a little bit earlier than that,
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but the essence of this is correct. And remember when
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the survivors took their story to social media. To you,
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that's when things started to really move in this direction,
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the direction of at least people being held accountable in
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some degree. Twenty weeks on I managed to persuade Amanda
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that Prince Andrew's position of silence in the face of
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global scrutiny was untenable. Twelve long days later came the
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email we had all hoped for. It arrived from Amanda
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early on a Saturday morning, November ninth. Could presenter Emily
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Maitliss our deputy editor Stuart and I come to the
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palace in two days. Prince Andrew wanted to meet us,
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so that got to be pretty exciting. Got all of
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this going on, the situation with Epstein blooming once again,
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and and as a field producer, this is your this
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is your day here right, this is your mia culpa. Monday,
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November eleventh, twenty nineteen morning. Prince Andrew's voice was upbeat
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as he came into Amanda's room. He was smiling, He
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seemed friendly. I hope you don't mind, but I brought
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someone with me. We exchanged glances. Who could it be
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a lawyer? Maybe someone from the Queen's staff, And then
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from behind him came Princess Beatrice. To be frank, the
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only thing worse than speaking to a prospective interviewee about
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allegations of sexual impropriety and sex with a seventeen year
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old girl is having to do so in front of
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his daughter. What sort of buffoon brings their daughter to
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this conversation. I know you're trying to use her as
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a set piece to give you an easier time of it,
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but bro, this is horrible. The idea is to protect
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your children, to insulate them from your bullshit. That's what
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a real man does. But I guess we should have
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never expected that from a punk bitch like pray It's Andrew.
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Princess Beatrice was polite and engaged, but unlike her father,
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she was evidently anxious about the meeting and clearly there
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to protect his interests. I'd heard she was close to
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the queen. She was close to the queen. The prince's
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eldest daughter was now I felt, the person who can
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make the difference between us getting the interview or not.
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Well probably correct, right, Who has more sway on their
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dad than a daughter. We all sat down, cramped into
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that tiny room, a few feet from one another. What
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was most surprising was there was never any attempt to
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find out what we'd ask or to place conditions on
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the questions. And that is very surprising. Honestly, Usually these
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questions have to be very well tailored for bozos like
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Andrew or else they have a train wreck like we
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saw here, but they weren't holding the you know, the
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defensible ground. Andrew and company. They reached out for this
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interview because they knew they had to try and do
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damage control, But what really happened was even more damage.
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For his part, the Prince revealed for the first time
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that he supposedly had an alibi. He told us about
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Pizza Express a children's party. He mentioned his sweating, or
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lack thereof. He talked about how recently he'd seen Glene Maxwell,
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Epstein's procurer of underage girls, co conspirator, general all around scusbag,
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you know, fellow child abuser and bipedal serpent. I think
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that's what they meant. He'd admitted he'd made errors of judgment.
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It was raw jaw dropping stuff. Yeah, errors of judgment. Huh?
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How about errors of everything you've ever done in your life?
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And then he said something I'll never forget. As we
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conclude it, he turned to Princess Beatrice and said they
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had a lot to discuss and should go straight after
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upstairs to talk about it over a cup of tea
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with mum. For a split second, I almost scoffed, What
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on earth did a grown man need to talk to
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his mum for? And then it hit me, mum was
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the Queen. Well, I get it. I'd want to talk
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to my mom probably too, She's one of my best confidants.
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But in a situation like this, being you know, the
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Prince of England, you should probably wait to say that
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until afterwards. You don't need people to know that. Oh,
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I'm gonna go run the mom and get some advice.
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Less than twenty four hours later, he agreed to the interview.
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I felt I wouldn't really believe it until those cameras
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started rolling, but I wouldn't have to wait long. This
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was on Tuesday, November twelfth, twenty nineteen. In just two days,
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we would all find ourselves back inside Buckingham Palace, face
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to face with Prince Andrew again, conducting what turned out
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to be an interview more shocking than any of us
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could have ever predicted. I remember listening to it live
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as it was happening, watching the live coverage of it,
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and I was blow away for the whole entire thing
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pretty much, I mean, like the whole entire ass interview.
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I was just shaking my head like who let this
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guy do this? Who? Who approved this? I mean, you
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would have to think that everybody in the Palace knows
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what a bozo Prince Andrew is and approving an interview
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like this would end up in disaster. All right, folks,
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that's gonna end part one here and we'll be right
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back with part number two in our next update. If
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you'd like to contact me, you can do that at
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Bobby Kapuchi at ProtonMail dot com. That's bo bb y
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c ap you Cci at ProtonMail dot com. You can
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also find me on Twitter at bo bb y underscore
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c ap you Cci. All right, folks, we'll be right
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back with part two. What's up everyone, and welcome back
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to the Epstein Chronicles and now the conclusion of the
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interview with Prince Andrew. Thursday, November fourteenth, twenty nineteen. Fifteen
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feet that's how far away I am from the back
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of Andrew's chair. I can see the soles of his
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shoes hardly scuffed, and the back of his head new haircut,
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the hem of his trousers a perfectly judged length, and
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the nervous tapping of his left foot. The chair seems
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a little small for his body. Yeah, he's a bit
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of a puff, isn't he not in the greatest shape
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in the world. And of course he had himself a
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nice new cut and a pair of shoes that are
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hardly scuffed. When you're rich, you don't wear the same
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shit too often. Probably a brand new pair of kicks.
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My own chair is up against the wall of an
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opulent room, larger than most London flats. I'm sitting next
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to a very friendly woman who, seeing how nervous I am,
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kindly offers me a martini. Imagine that, sitting at work,
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someone offers you a martini to calm you down. Pretty
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nice job, huh jin With a twist, Her majesty is
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also a fan. It's one of those exchanges is that
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you can hardly believe is happening, chatting idly with someone
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in Buckingham Palace about your monarch's pension for a cocktail.
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The charming woman is the Prince's equerry. She's certain his
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interview will clear his name, that it's all been a
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terrible misunderstanding, that after this things will go back to normal. Boy,
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were they really missing the boat here? Huh. They really
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thought that numb Nuts was going to get out there
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and give the performance of a lifetime, and everybody was
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gonna say, Ah, you know what, He's right, Prince Andrew
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didn't do any of this. He's an honorable dude, and
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all of his behavior lines up and all of his
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receipts check out. The reality is none of that's true.
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He's not an honorable dude, and none of his receipts
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checked out. Emily Maitliss is nervous, busying herself with her notes,
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the result of two days of relentless practice and brainstorms
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with a small team. Look, it's always nerve racking when
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you have a big interview to conduct. I'm not somebody
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who does many interviews, but when you have them and
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you know you know you have one coming up, there's
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a lot of work that goes into being prepared for it.
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If you want to give a good interview anyway, you
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got to know obviously the topic you're going to talk about,
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but you have to know about the person that you're
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talking to, dig into their backstory, where are they from,
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all of that good stuff. So there's a whole entire
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thing that goes along with preparing for interviews and preparing
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for one like this, it definitely has to be a
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bit nerve shaking. I feel panic rise within me. We're
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about to interview a member of the royal family about
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his connections with a sex trafficker. We're about to ask
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him on camera whether he had sex with Virginia Roberts,
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whether he knew about Epstein's terrible acts, and whether he
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was complicit. Well, it's nice that somebody did it, considering
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the authorities have never done it, Considering nobody in power
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has ever done it. It's nice to see that a
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news organ is at least stepped up to the plate
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and got him on record. Apart from the Equerry, Amanda
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is here with her deputy. That's it. No lawyers, no
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other royal staff. I'd expected a swarm of people to
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oversee it all. And I bet if they could go
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back in time, that's exactly what they would have done.
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Lawyers everywhere, all kinds of legal counsel to make sure that,
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you know, things didn't go off the rails. And fortunately
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for us and unfortunately for him, that's not what happened.
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A tall white man comes into the room to say hello,
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he's introduced as Donald McCabe, Communication Secretary to the Queen.
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His visit is quite significant. It means that the Queen
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likely knows about the interview. Well, yeah, there's no way
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that this interview happens without the Queen's go ahead. Prince
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Andrew's a dunce and a nonce in the rest of it.
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But the Queen's still going to make the decisions if
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the interview happens or not. After speaking to a couple
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of people, he leaves afterwards. This seems a missed opportunity.
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If he'd stayed, he'd have known the contents of the
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interview firsthand. Perhaps he would have realized how terribly this
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would play out for Andrew, for the Palace, for the monarchy,
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and it was terrible. Look, here's the thing. People haven't
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just come up with a reason to hate on Prince Andrew.
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The dudes a moron. He doesn't represent the people of England, well,
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he doesn't represent his family well, and in fact, he
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doesn't represent humanity. Well. So I don't know why they
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wouldn't have somebody there to monitor what this idiot was doing.
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Perhaps they would have had more time to prepare a response.
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Damage limitation of some kind as it was the first
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time mackab would have seen The interview was more than
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forty eight hours later, alongside the entire nation. As I
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wait for the cameras and lighting to be set up,
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the Equerry tells me that the same room will be
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used after the interview for Palace for the Palace Cinema Night.
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When we leave, members of the Royal household will congregate
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to watch a film and maybe eat popcorn. Maybe eat popcorn?
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What is popcorn not allowed to the Royal family? Isn't
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that like a staple? If it's movie night, you guys
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are gonna have the big screen going and popcorn some snacks.
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Prince Andrew suddenly appears and makes his way over to
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talk to me. He's friendly and chatty. We discuss cinema
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night and he opens the doors at the end of
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the room to reveal the projector. Turns out this evening
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they're showing a renee Zellwigger film Judy Have I seen it?
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We chat a little bit about Judy Garland, the weather
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floods in Green Park, and then he moves on to
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the crew, making suggestions about microphones and other technicalities. Oh so,
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all of a sudden. The guy's a world traveled front
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of house technician, monitor engineer. Now he knows about microphones.
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Dude wouldn't know about a microphone if one blasted him
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straight across his face. Twenty minutes later, we're ready to go.
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A Mandel settles herself near Andrew, sitting on the floor,
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notebook in her hand. Emily nods. The cameras are rolling
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and we're off and well, it is the beginning of
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the end for Prince Andrew, isn't it. This interview was
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the death knell for him. When this interview cracked off
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and everybody heard from his mouth how much of a
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tool he is, that was the beginning of the end.
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The first question Emily asks, why he's decided to talk
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now is the one I get asked the most today.
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Why take the enormous risk. It's easy to look back
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now and say that the decision was reckless, But few
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people imagine their own answers doing them harm. You have
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few people who didn't do anything. If you're innocent, that's
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when you come out and give your big speech. But
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if you're not innocent, you should shut your mouth and
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call your lawyer. He didn't do that. His Hubris would
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not allow it. You also have to remember the life
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Andrew has lived. The second son, always said to be
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the Queen's favorite, granted extraordinary access and opportunity fond over.
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The average CEO would have never taken that risk. They'd
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have calculated one hundred reasons not to take the chance.
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But Andrew and his people must have thought this hour
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of his life would change the public perception of him
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for the better. Well, they were severely mistaken. And do
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you think it's any surprise that Amanda Thirsk is no
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longer part of the crew. We don't know for sure,
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but we assume he's spent the past couple of days
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in constant rehearsals. Like us, his team must have theorized
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the questions, decided precisely had to deal with the more
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serious allegations, considered, body language and tone, deliberated exactly if
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or how he might apologize. His answer to Emily's questions,
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he simply reminds us that his people have been talking
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to Newsnight for six months and actually it's a very
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good opportunity. Look, his body language was bad, his answers
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were bad, his posture was bad, and in fact, everything
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about him is bad. After that, Emily gave a masterclass
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in calm, methodical analytical interviewing. The interview is now used
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across the world by pr and communications professionals and by
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people in crisis management as a shining example of what
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answers not to give when you're dealing with controversy. Imagine
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being the case study. The Prince of England could have
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done anything in his life, but instead his legacy is
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going to be the case study of what not to
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do when giving an interview. Imagine that. Enjoy your legacy,
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Prince of Nothing, the Joe exotic of the Windsor family.
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I'd assumed Andrew would distance himself from Epstein, condemn him outright,
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and diminish their shared history. Instead, it sounded like they
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were close friends, and worse, the Prince even admired him.
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Imagine and that was certainly the tone that came off.
25:11
If you haven't seen this interview yet, you should definitely
25:13
go and check it out because it tells you a
25:16
lot about Prince Andrew, and it tells you a lot
25:19
about the kind of person he is. Instead, it sounded
25:23
like they were close friends, and worse that the Prince
25:26
even admired him. What followed was one astonishing answer after another.
25:31
Each time I thought it couldn't get any worse, it did.
25:34
The answer showed how totally removed the Prince was from
25:38
the reality of an average life. All of these people
25:43
are completely removed from what the rest of us have
25:46
to deal with on a regular basis, just to maintain
25:49
they have no idea about any of it. Had he
25:55
been on Epstein's private plane, yes. Had he stayed on
25:58
his private island, yes. Had he stayed at his home
26:01
in Palm Beach Yes. Had he visited Glaine Maxwell's London home, Yes.
26:06
Was Epstein at Princess Beatrice's eighteenth birthday party at Windsor Castle, Yes.
26:12
So all of those affirmatives shows you right away the
26:14
groundwork for the relationship, how tight they were, how close
26:18
they were, And the fact that Prince Andrew allegedly was
26:21
at Epstein's townhouse when Carolyn was raped again tells you
26:26
what you need to know. This dude needs to speak
26:28
to the FBI, He needs to speak to the authorities,
26:31
but Willie probably not. In two thousand and eight, Epstein
26:36
was jailed for soliciting and procuring a minor for prostitution
26:40
that cannot even occur. A prostitute cannot be a minor
26:43
because miners cannot consent. This is child abuse and the
26:46
rape of a child. That's what it is. Andrew said
26:50
that they had no contact during that time, but Emily
26:53
had the killer blow. Within months of his release, he
26:56
went to stay with him at his New York mansion.
26:58
Why why were you staying with a convicted sex offender,
27:02
Andrew replied, I went there with the sole purpose of
27:05
saying to him that because he had been convicted, it
27:08
was inappropriate for us to be seen together. I felt
27:11
that doing it over the phone was the chickens way
27:14
of doing it. So you're not a chicken when it
27:16
comes to breaking up with your bff, Jeffrey Epstein. You'll
27:19
fly five, I mean three thousand miles five hours over
27:22
the pond to do it, and then stay the night
27:24
at his house, but you won't even speak to the
27:27
FBI over the phone. Talk about a chicken. I was incredulous.
27:34
Was he saying it was the right thing to do
27:36
to spend four days at the home of a convicted
27:38
sex offender, that it was somehow honorable? Emily persisted, do
27:42
you regret the whole friendship with Epstein, Andrew should have
27:46
bitten her hand off for the chance to say quite
27:48
simply yes. Instead he said, now still not. And the
27:53
reason being is that the people I met and the
27:55
opportunities I was given to learn, either by him or
27:58
because of him, were actually very useful. Imagine saying this,
28:03
and all of these girls, two hundred and twenty five
28:06
of them got money from the estate, by the way,
28:08
and we know there's a lot more than that, But
28:10
can you imagine saying that knowing that all of these
28:12
girls were abused and raped by this guy. I remember
28:18
having to look down just so I could roll my eyes.
28:21
He had no recollection of meeting Virginia Roberts or of
28:24
having his hand around her waist in the infamous photograph
28:28
taken on the night she claimed he had sex with
28:31
her as a royal. He said, he wouldn't have been
28:33
physically close to someone like that as a royal. Shut up, dude.
28:37
In fact, nobody wants to be that close to you.
28:41
Out came is now notorious. Alibis that he was at
28:45
the Pizza Express and Woking that day that Virginia's recollection
28:48
of him sweating on the dance floor at tramp nightclub
28:51
couldn't be true because he'd lost the ability to sweat. Funny, how,
28:56
there's a bunch of pictures of him sweating his ass
28:58
through all of those shirts. Though, huh, has this guy
29:01
done anything but lie throughout this whole entire time? As
29:06
a former criminal barista, I knew the answers were a
29:09
future defense lawyer's nightmare. I realized for the first time
29:13
that Andrew couldn't have taken legal advice before speaking to us.
29:17
It just got worse and worse. He couldn't have had
29:19
sexed with Virginia, he said, because sex for a man
29:22
is a sort of positive action which is very difficult
29:25
to forget. Was this a royal euphemism for penetration? I mean,
29:29
imagine having such an overblown opinion of yourself that you
29:33
think that because you're a royal, everybody's gonna remember you. Bro,
29:38
you're a buffoon, okay. In fact, my guess is a
29:41
lot of the people that you've rolled on top of
29:43
for the five minutes in your life, they all want
29:46
to forget you. Emily gave him another chance. I wonder
29:53
if you have any sense of guilt, regret, or shame
29:56
about any of your behavior and your friendship with Epstein.
30:00
He handed it to him on a plate. Surely he'd
30:02
clarify that it had all been a terrible mistake. I
30:06
looked up from the floor watched him gather himself for
30:09
one of the final answers. As far as mister Epstein
30:12
is concerned, it was the wrong decision to go and
30:15
see him in twenty ten, As far as my association
30:18
with him was concerned, it had some seriously beneficial outcomes
30:23
and areas that have nothing to do with what we're
30:25
talking about today. Extraordinary that he couldn't see just how
30:29
terrible that sounded. Emily asked her final question. I mean,
30:33
this guy is still enamored with Epstein. It seems like
30:36
here Epstein sure had you wrapped around his finger. What
30:40
sort of compromot did Epstein have on you, Joe Exotic
30:44
of the Windsor Family. Is there anything you feel has
30:49
been left unsaid that you would like to say now
30:52
a message of regret for the terrible acts of his
30:54
friend had committed. Perhaps Andrew's chance ebbed the way. No,
30:59
I didn't. I don't think so. I think you've probably
31:01
dragged out most of what is required. That was it
31:04
an interview more shocking than any of us could ever
31:07
have predicted. I couldn't look at anyone. I could barely
31:11
believe his people hadn't stopped the interview. I would have
31:15
despite the consequences. How'd you think it went? I asked
31:18
the equerry. She beamed. Wasn't he wonderful? She said, oh, yeah,
31:22
wonderful if you're blind and deaf, and then unable to
31:26
comprehend things. I'd expected Amanda thirst to be distraught, the
31:31
Prince to look shaken or concerned, but she was smiling,
31:34
and he seemed debulent. And then it hit me he
31:38
actually thought it had gone well. He was in such
31:41
a good mood that he offered us all a tour
31:43
of the palace. I couldn't go. I wouldn't have been
31:45
able to speak to him in good faith. Of course,
31:48
Emily couldn't decline. I don't know how she kept her composure.
31:52
I would have went. I would have declined and been like, sorry,
31:54
I'm never I don't even want to talk to you
31:56
ever again. After the interview was broadcast, everyone agreed it
32:03
had been an unmitigated disaster for Prince Andrew. The newspapers
32:08
also lamb basedd Amanda Thirsk ridiculing her for letting him
32:12
do the interview. I found this profoundly disturbing. What she
32:16
had done was believe in her boss. His own answers
32:19
had landed him in hot water. She's not wrong about that,
32:22
you know, Amanda Thirsk. At the end of the day,
32:24
is just you know, an employee. Prince Andrew's the boss,
32:27
and he's the one that shited the bed. I also
32:31
felt strangely protective towards her. We were both doing our
32:34
jobs to the best of our abilities, and now her
32:37
professional life lay in tatters. On November twentieth, Prince Andrew
32:42
announced that he was stepping back from public duties for
32:44
the foreseeable future. Belatedly, he also expressed sympathy for Epstein's survivors.
32:50
Belated ly, Huh, his mom probably told him he had
32:53
to do that. Amanda Thirst stepped back from her role
32:57
and eventually left. I messaged her off to meet if
33:00
she was still so inclined. Meanwhile, Glene Maxwell was charged
33:04
with eight counts relating to grooming underage girls for Epstein.
33:07
Calls for Andrew to cooperate with the FBI grew louder
33:11
and then just Before the twenty fifth anniversary of Martin
33:15
Basher's Panorama interview with Princess Diana, Earl Spencer went public
33:19
with allegations against him and the BBC. The interview, he said,
33:24
had been procured by Martin Basheer after he had told
33:26
a litany of lies to Diana and showed her forged
33:30
bank statements. She'd never had agreed to do it otherwise.
33:33
The more I learned about the allegations, the more appalled.
33:36
I was a graphic designer who'd blown the whistle on
33:39
the bank statements, had lost his job. It seemed clear
33:42
that there had been some kind of cover up. All
33:45
I could feel was betrayal and anger. For that, among
33:48
many reasons, I decided I wanted to leave the BBC.
33:52
Before I left, I finally got to see Amanda Thirsk.
33:54
She was nothing but gracious and wished me the best.
33:58
We are still in touch from time to time. Time. Well,
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there you have it, folks. That's gonna conclude Part two
34:04
of how the interview with Prince Andrew with Emily Maitlist
34:08
was procured. A pretty interesting look behind the scenes at
34:12
the life of a field producer and how crazy that
34:16
can be. They're the ones that get these interviews, they're
34:19
the ones that set all of this up. So they
34:21
have a very interesting life, there's no doubt about it.
34:24
And imagine sitting in on this one. So I thought
34:28
this would be a good ad to the catalog and
34:30
offer a bit more context and some clarity about how
34:33
the interview went down. All right, everybody, if you'd like
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Up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. The
35:03
interview that Prince Andrew gave to Emily Mateless and the
35:07
BBC turned out to be one of the worst ideas
35:11
this dude has ever had. If there was any question
35:15
about this dude's competency, about this guy's honor before the interview,
35:21
all of those questions were answered after it. No he's
35:25
not competent, No he's not honorable, and he certainly doesn't
35:29
understand the scope of what's going on here. He truly
35:33
thought that he was going to waltz into that interview,
35:35
run rough shot over Emily Mateless and put a line
35:39
underneath the whole entire scandal. That's what he thought. Well,
35:42
it turned out to be something different, and it wasn't
35:45
even a car crash interview. It was legitimately the Hindenburg right.
35:50
That's how disastrous this was. And today we have an
35:54
article from the La Times about this interview and the
35:59
headline the prosecutor's dream inside the bombshell interview that brought
36:03
down Prince Andrew. And there's no doubt this would be
36:08
a prosecutor's dream. I've said it a million times. Imagine
36:11
a seasoned interrogator getting this guy in a room. If
36:15
Emily maitliss Adam shook, imagine what a real investigator would do,
36:19
like an interrogator who does this for a living. This
36:27
article was authored by Eton Smallman. A round table with
36:32
three BBC journalists in Buckingham Palace, Queen Elizabeth's second son
36:36
was deciding whether to do a TV interview that would
36:39
change his life. Stupid idea. Somebody should advise him not
36:43
to do this interview and instead go and talk to
36:46
the federal government. That's what he should have been doing.
36:49
Speak to the FBI. I want to do the honorable thing.
36:52
I want to help these girls. Yeah, well you're not
36:55
doing that hiding behind mummy's skirts and riding around bell
36:59
Moral on your Joe Exotic of the Windsor family. Three
37:04
months earlier, in August twenty nineteen, the billionaire sex offender
37:09
pedophile Jeffrey Epstein had been found dead in his New
37:12
York prison cell while awaiting trial on sex trafficking charges.
37:16
For nearly a decade, Prince Andrew had been dogged by
37:19
questions about their twenty year friendship, and now was facing
37:23
allegations of his own. Virginia Roberts alleged that Epstein had
37:28
forced her to have sex with Andrew when she was seventeen,
37:32
something the Duke of York has always denied. See this
37:36
is the problem. These questions were always there, These allegations
37:40
were always there. People chose to ignore this stuff so
37:44
they can continue to have access to the royals. I'm
37:47
looking directly at you, ABC and Amy roback at the Palace.
37:56
Sam McAllister booker extraordinaire on the BBC flagship current affair
38:00
show Newsnight, who had been in discussions for a year
38:04
with a publicist working for Andrew's initiative to support entrepreneurs,
38:08
and his private security took her gamble. Now, I wonder
38:12
when Bill Clinton's gonna sit down for a tell all
38:15
about his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. You don't see anyone
38:18
clamoring for that, huh. And it took the Daily Mail
38:22
and all of the tabloids in the UK to do
38:25
this to get Prince Andrew on a hot enough seat
38:28
where the BBC took action. So when's that gonna happen
38:31
to Bill Clinton? That's the real question here. When is
38:36
the legacy media gonna hold Bill Clinton to the same
38:39
standard that we're holding Prince Andrew to. Now, of course,
38:42
let's be very very clear, nobody has come out and
38:46
said that Bill Clinton was abusing girls on the island
38:50
or partaking. My problem with Bill Clinton, especially is the
38:54
lying about all of it. He sends out his spokesperson
38:58
to give us this candass state that has never changed
39:01
since the first time he gave it, even after all
39:04
of this court documentation that basically shows you that his
39:08
statement was a lie. But he just gets to go
39:10
on about his business. Nobody's showing up to air him out,
39:14
and then the legacy media wonders why people aren't listening
39:17
to what they have to say, and then they wonder
39:19
why people are searching for independent content creators or independent
39:24
journalists to follow. Well, maybe if you dudes would do
39:27
your job, you would have to worry. Referring to his
39:32
extravagant travel at taxpayer's expense and his playboy image, she
39:36
told him bluntly, sir, I have lived in this country
39:39
for over forty years, and until now I only knew
39:43
two things about you, and that it's that you're known
39:46
as air Miles Andy and Randy Andy. And I can
39:50
absolutely tell you that the latter really doesn't help you
39:53
in your current predicament. Pretty bluntly stated by Emily Maitlis. No,
39:57
and she's not wrong anything about Prince Andrew besides that right,
40:02
or that he's out grifting, hanging out with scumbags all
40:05
over the place. Everyone in the room held their breath.
40:10
This is not how Britain speak a royalty. Then suddenly
40:14
he laughs, recalls McAllister in a central London restaurant, there
40:18
was no way that he could misunderstand what he was
40:21
dealing with with someone who could speak truth to power
40:24
and who wasn't mess messing with him, So she wanted
40:27
to set the standard right away. Right, look, you're not
40:30
gonna bulldoze me, You're not gonna run rough shot over me.
40:33
This is gonna be my interview. Three days later, after
40:38
mentioning it in front of McAllister that he would consult Mum,
40:42
Andrew did the interview. It would be described as a
40:45
plane crashing into an oil tanker causing a tsunami, triggering
40:48
a nuclear explosion. That's a pretty apt way of explaining things,
40:52
because it was really bad. So damning were his answers
40:57
that just four days after the broadcast came the announcement
41:01
that he would be suspending his public duties. The fifty
41:04
minute encounter had brought down a prince. Well, I would
41:07
say that the survivors and their just steadfast commitment for justice,
41:15
that's what really led the charge. But he sunk himself
41:18
in this interview, there's no doubt about that. In her
41:22
new book Scoops Behind the Scenes of the BBC's Most
41:25
Shocking Interviews OneWorld publication September thirteenth, McAllister reveals the tense
41:30
discussions that secured her exclusive despite a perceived coziness between
41:35
the national broadcaster and the monarchy. To her knowledge, her
41:38
program had never spoken to a royal. When first offered
41:42
access in twenty eighteen to do what she calls a
41:45
puff piece on his charity work, she turned it down,
41:49
telling his pr people firmly, no preconditions or no interview.
41:54
As the Epstein questions grew, louder McAllister persevered, and that's
41:59
what you have to do. You have to be firm, Right,
42:01
if you're gonna be a journalist and you're gonna be
42:03
looking for the truth, you have to be firm and
42:06
you can't be swayed by people who are in a
42:08
powerful position. Remember, as a journalist, as the fourth estate,
42:12
it's your job to hold these people to account. And
42:15
when you get too cozy with them and you're depending
42:19
on them for stories or for scoops, well you've been compromised.
42:27
One of the reasons this interview happened is I didn't
42:29
have any connections in this world, she says, And in
42:32
the nicest way, I didn't give it to it. I
42:35
don't think it's helpful, frankly, to be deferential to institutions
42:38
if you want to get the truth. Well, a lot
42:41
of people here in America could hear that these days,
42:43
I mean, all of a sudden, you have people who
42:46
say you can't rage against the machine, which is pretty
42:49
odd considering all of the raging against the machine we
42:52
have seen recently. She kept in mind the sweet spots
42:56
that might motivate the prince to go ahead, a desire
42:59
for vindation and time to celebrate his sixtieth birthday in style,
43:03
and to walk his daughter Beatrice down the aisle. See
43:06
what you gotta do is you gotta float some bonuses
43:09
to people like Andrew right to get them to bite,
43:13
and one of the best ways to do that is
43:15
the massage their ego. She also shared her view with
43:20
him directly. His silence meant the public was drawn conclusions
43:23
on his guilt. Finally, she told him it was a
43:26
no brainer that any interview about sexual impropriety with women
43:31
would have to be conducted by a woman, and lucky me,
43:35
I had one of the best female presenters in the
43:37
country in the form of Emily Mateless. The program was
43:40
also edited by a woman as Miren. Now, Okay, that's
43:45
all fine and well, but I really don't care who
43:47
does this interview. I don't care if a little green
43:49
man from Mars did the interview as long as they
43:52
exposed Prince Andrew like a shaved dog's ass. McAllister even
43:59
ventured to make several jokes with the Royal Interlocker, though
44:03
she demurs on the details. Probably the most banterist parts
44:07
wouldn't be right for me to reveal. But you heard
44:09
some of the things that he was willing to say
44:11
on camera, so you can probably imagine how frank some
44:14
of those exchanges were. See I don't like this. If
44:16
you're gonna do a tell all book, tell all, dish
44:21
all the tea, let's hear it all. What did he
44:22
say that was gross? What he said on the record
44:26
left audiences aghast, and says McAllister changed the lexicon of
44:30
the country. Andrew denied his accuser's claims he was perspiring
44:35
when they first met because he had a peculiar medical condition,
44:39
which is that I don't sweat. His alibi was the
44:43
children's birthday party at the chain restaurant Pizza Express in
44:47
the provincial English town of Woking. And we know he's
44:51
ps and about the sweat. We've seen many many photos
44:55
of him drenched in sweat, so I don't even know
44:57
what he's talking about. He said that after Epstein's two
45:02
thousand and eight conviction, he had insisted on spending several
45:05
days in the financier's New York home. Pedophile to break
45:09
off his friendship because of his judgment. It was probably
45:12
colored by his tendency to be too honorable, But that's
45:15
just the way it is, basically saying, I'm just an
45:18
honorable guy, and you're gonna have to accept my excuse.
45:21
That's why I'm so honorable that I had to fly
45:24
across the pond stay the night at this pedophile's house
45:29
just to tell him we can't be friends anymore. Does
45:31
that sound like the honorable behavior of a prince or
45:34
does that sound like the behavior of a stooge? You
45:37
tell me? And his description of Epstein having conducting himself
45:44
in a manner unbecoming managed to break even the quietly
45:47
forensic demeanor of matelists unbecoming. She interjected, her face contorted
45:53
in disbelief he was a sex offender. All the while,
45:56
the Prince failed to express any concern for the survivor,
46:00
and asked if he regretted the whole Epstein friendship. Replied, no,
46:04
still not well, I bet you do now, you dumbass.
46:08
This is a man who is so stuck in his
46:10
own hubris and his own opinion of one's self that
46:14
he can't even see the forest through the trees, And
46:16
every single day he makes a decision to try and
46:19
come back into the public. It shows you under a
46:23
microscope the kind of dirtball we're dealing with. Yet none
46:30
of those was the most jaw dropping moment for McAllister. Rather,
46:33
it was a very excruciating answer where he's trying to
46:36
say that he couldn't have had sexual relations with Virginia
46:39
Roberts because as a man, sexual relations require a positive act,
46:45
whatever that means. This guy is just rambling. He was prattling.
46:50
He had no idea what he was talking about, and
46:52
I couldn't believe what I was hearing when this interview
46:55
was going on. My jaw was on the ground the
46:59
whole entire interview. Folks. He was obviously talking about the
47:05
royal member. We don't want to make light of what
47:08
obviously was an extremely serious series of allegations against him
47:11
at Epstein, but to be in Buckingham Palace listening to
47:15
him talking about that was really quite unforgettable. It was
47:20
also arresting that the journalists spent much of the time
47:23
staring at the ornately decorated ballroom carpet to conceal her
47:27
eye rolling. Wow. Imagine being that bad at an interview
47:33
where you're trying to defend yourself that the presenter who
47:36
is interviewing you is trying to not roll their eyes.
47:39
And not only that, you're a prince and she's one
47:42
of your subjects, and that's how she feels. I mean,
47:47
imagine how the rest of the world feels about you.
47:50
Joe Exotic of the Windsor Family. My throat charmingly starts
47:59
to make a kind of purpy noise. She has a
48:02
final giveaway, I sweat the irony of ironies. So she's
48:06
sitting across from a guy who says he can't sweat,
48:08
and she starts to sweat. Pretty funny if you ask me.
48:13
As a former criminal defense barrister, McAllister knew full well
48:16
the legal ramifications of Andrew's answers, describing them as a
48:21
prosecutor's dream. She adds, I was surprised that he gave
48:24
those explanations, which, if you were dealing with litigation, would
48:28
have been relatively easy to disprove if they were lies.
48:32
He thought that he was gonna he honestly thought that
48:34
he was gonna get up there and charm the pants
48:36
off of everybody. He thought that all of you were
48:38
gonna eat out of the palm of his hand. Because
48:41
his whole life, that's what happened, right. Nobody ever told
48:44
him he was a douche. Nobody ever said to him, Hey,
48:46
Prince Andrew, you're an asshole. Here's a three piece combo
48:49
min soda. You think this guy ever got his ass
48:52
beat ever once in his life. You can tell who
48:56
grew up not getting beat up in their neighborhood. You
49:00
can tell by the way they behave as adults. Robert's
49:06
attorney later revealed she and her team had examined the
49:08
interview for inconsistencies. Frankly, it was very helpful for us,
49:13
she said, And it really was. All you had to
49:15
do is take one look, and you could see the inconsistencies.
49:19
The revelation may explain why Andrew was so keen to
49:22
settle his US civil sexual assault case with Roberts in
49:25
February this year, paying a reported sixteen million to a woman.
49:30
He told Nitelis he had no recollection of ever meeting.
49:34
And this is another reason why I've said from the
49:36
jump that the price tag on this was a lot
49:38
bigger than they taught, than they were trying to say recently.
49:41
Oh it was only a few million dollars. Yeah, right,
49:44
Andrew was cooked, folks. He had nowhere to go. But
49:47
party was over for this dude. The only way out
49:51
was to have this settlement. And do you really think
49:53
that boys and the rest of the crew over there
49:56
were going to just let them waltz on out of
49:58
there without it being painful. Well. McAllister, who has since
50:04
left the BBC after being denied a bonus pay, a
50:07
bonus pay, raise or promotion, has already struck a deal
50:11
to turn her book about what she calls our version
50:14
of Frost Nixon into a feature film, while Matlist is
50:17
having her story adapted for a TV drama. The producer
50:20
says she believes Britain has a blind spot journalistically when
50:24
it comes to holding the royal family accountable in the
50:27
same way as others who spend public money. She is
50:30
not wrong about that there needs to be a lot
50:32
more accountability for these so called royals, but she still
50:38
thinks the US could learn something about exacting interviews from
50:41
across the Pond, and cites the twenty twenty one Oprah
50:44
Winfrey exclusive with Meghan, Duchess of Sussex and Prince Harry
50:49
as an example. Again, She's not wrong. Where are all
50:52
of the journalists in America like Emily Maitlis who want
50:56
to sit down with Bill Clinton and get to the
50:58
truth of it? So far, I haven't seen any of them.
51:04
It was an incredibly interesting conversation that they had, but
51:07
by no stretch of the imagination was that in an
51:09
accountability interview. I think that art tradition of rigorous conversations
51:14
really does allow for accountability, and that's hugely important, particularly
51:18
in this generation of fake news and loss of trust
51:24
in the media. As I've always said, if you can
51:26
run a multimillion dollar company and you can run a country,
51:30
then ten minutes with the presenter isn't any problem, is it?
51:33
She checks herself. Well, for some people, it is clearly yeah.
51:37
Some people, huh. I'm looking directly at the Clintons. I
51:40
have had enough of these people finding a way to
51:44
shuck and jive their way out of this nonsense. If
51:47
Prince Andrew can get the spotlight thrown on him. When's
51:49
that shit gonna happen here? I guess I shouldn't hold
51:52
my breath though, right at least over in England they
51:56
went hard on Prince Andrew. So that's a victory and
51:58
now this disgusting, moronic imbecile is going to have to
52:04
face the consequences for the rest of his life. If
52:10
you'd like to contact me, you can do that at
52:12
Bobby Kapuchi at ProtonMail dot com. That's bo bb Y
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52:20
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52:27
The link that I discussed can be found in the
52:29
description box. All right, folks, we'll be back with a
52:32
little bit more later on. Hope that all of you
52:35
are having a good one. All right, So headline BBC's
52:39
Emily Maitlist reveals Prince Andrew was happy with his Newsnight
52:43
interview as she praises his candor despite car crash results. Boy,
52:48
all right, this should be a good one. It is
52:52
widely regarded as the car crash Pendenburg interview that eventually
52:57
forced Prince Andrew to step back from public life, but
53:00
the Duke of York was happy after filming the Newsnight
53:03
program about his relationship with convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein. According
53:08
to Emily Maitliss, the BBC presenter said she had not
53:11
expected the furre over the interview by critics who lamb
53:15
baseded Andrew for failing to show regret or empathy for
53:18
Epstein's victims. Huh you didn't expect that? What? So you
53:24
thought you were gonna run this interview, missus Maelss and
53:26
people were just gonna be like, ah, that's all right.
53:28
You know, his story checks out. Andrew's story checks out.
53:31
He can't sweat, he was getting pizza, He's never met her,
53:34
his fingers are too fat. Come on, this is all
53:37
These are all solid defense strategies here, folks. I mean really.
53:46
He repeatedly denied claims he had sex with one of
53:49
the women, Virginia Roberts, when she was seventeen, but was
53:52
then accused of lying by Miss Roberts. Oh, and accused
53:55
of lying by me, by the way, And okay, here
53:58
we go, you folks, ready, I have to do it.
54:00
I just can't help myself. You know who else thinks
54:02
that Prince Andrew is lying? Oh? Here we go everybody
54:07
in Alaska thinks you're a liar. They think you're a liar.
54:10
In New Mexico. They think you're a liar. In Arizona.
54:14
They think you're a liar. In New York. They think
54:17
you're a liar in Delaware, sir. And they think you're
54:19
a liar in Florida. They think you're a liar in
54:22
New Mexico's New Mexico. You get where I'm going with this, right, folks,
54:28
He's a liar. Nobody believes him. Okay, I don't believe him.
54:31
I'm sure most of you out there don't believe him.
54:33
Of all the emails I have received about this case,
54:36
only one person has sent an email to saying that
54:39
they don't believe Virginia Roberts when it comes to this case.
54:43
So I don't. Honestly, I don't know how you don't
54:46
believe And it's not her don't believe. Let's get something clear.
54:49
It's not like I just believe whatever Virginia Roberts says.
54:53
She has evidence backing this up. This stuff is corroborated.
54:56
There's other people that were there, there's other people that
54:58
saw her with this man. It is just absolutely, positively
55:03
so disgusting to me. For people to deny that this occurred,
55:08
it's so silly. The interview also led to renewed calls
55:13
for Andrew fifty nine to be interviewed by the FBI
55:16
about his friendship with disgraced financier Pedophile Epstein, who was
55:21
found dead in his prison cell earlier this year. Miss
55:24
Maitlis praised the Duke for his candor and answering her
55:26
questions in an age when many public figures attempted to
55:30
avoid scrutiny. He had no choice. What else was he
55:33
gonna do. He knows what's coming down the pipe. He
55:36
knows that the party is over for him, all right.
55:40
And his candor, what do you mean? His candor? He
55:43
wasn't candid. He was very obfuscated, and he lied and
55:47
he threw up smoke screens. If he was being candid,
55:50
he wouldn't have lied about that picture. He would have said, oh,
55:52
I've never met Virginia all but I've never That wasn't
55:55
me in the picture. My fingers are too fat. What
55:59
I don't understand? And there's no candor there. She said
56:03
that after the interview, her impression from him was definitely
56:06
that he had been happy with it. She told The
56:09
Radio Times she had been shocked by the public reaction
56:12
to it, saying, I didn't see it coming. Oh my gosh.
56:15
Really she must be tone deaf too. She didn't see
56:18
it coming anybody. I don't understand how as a journalist
56:21
you didn't see that coming. I mean, it took three
56:24
seconds to hear what he was talking about, and I
56:26
just put my hand to my head and said, oh
56:28
my lord, what is this guy doing to himself? Now,
56:31
don't get me wrong, I'm glad that he gave the interview,
56:33
but if I was his lawyer, there would be no
56:36
way I would let him a give an interview or
56:39
b talk to anybody without being subpoenaed because this guy
56:43
is obviously guilty. It wasn't an attempt to bring down
56:48
the Royals, just a chance to understand the story. She
56:51
doing some face saving her, folks. Is she doing a
56:53
bit of safe, safe face saving so that she has
56:58
access to the royals? Still? Could possibly be? What's going on?
57:02
Come on this mate, list, I was starting to like you,
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she added. I admire him for his candor and his
57:07
engagement with the questions in an age of so much
57:10
deviation and circumnavigation and quite often a failure to put
57:14
yourself up for scrutiny. Uh what, okay, great, Yeah, he
57:19
sat down with an interview with you. He had no
57:21
other choice. What was he going to do? The walls
57:24
are closing in on him. His buddy Galaine end she's missing.
57:27
He doesn't. No one knows where she is. Everyone's abandoned him.
57:31
It wasn't like Andrew was part of the trafficking ring, folks.
57:33
He was the dumbass who got caught up in the
57:36
honey trap. Okay, he got caught up because he's a deviant,
57:40
not because he's a sex trafficker. But unfortunately, your ignorance
57:44
that she was traffic does not absolve you of your crimes.
57:49
A she was under age, and B she was a
57:51
trafficked girl. And see you enabled Jeffrey Epstein's behavior four
57:55
years Prince. During the interview, Prince andrews that he did
58:00
not recall meeting Miss Roberts and emphatically denied that he
58:03
had sex with her on the occasion she said they
58:06
first met in two thousand and one, when she claimed
58:08
she was trafficked to Britain by Epstein. Claims, Okay, she's seventeen.
58:12
She's on a plane. She's being used for sex, going
58:14
across international lines from America to England. Sure sounds like
58:19
trafficking to me. Okay. And not only does it sound
58:22
like trafficking, it sounds like engaging in a criminal enterprise
58:27
aka Rico. And I don't mean Rico suave folks, I
58:32
mean the same Rico charges that decimated the Italian community
58:36
in the eighties. He also questioned miss roberts account of
58:41
them dancing, of them dancing together at the London nightclub
58:46
Tramp when she said he was sweating heavily. The Duke
58:49
of York said he suffered from a medical condition at
58:52
the time, which meant he didn't sweat okay. He also
58:57
sought to cast doubt on the authenticity of a photograph
58:59
that showed him with his arm around Miss roberts waist,
59:02
but conceded that it was difficult to prove if it
59:05
was a fake. Obviously it's not a fake. The FBI
59:08
has the picture. We saw the photographer from New Zealand
59:12
who took the pictures. First. He came out, we'd read
59:15
that article. He knows it's not a fake. The only
59:18
one saying it's a fake. Are Andrew's licks biddles? The
59:20
only ones who were saying it's fake are Andrew's people.
59:25
The rest of us know the truth. Andrew admitted he
59:28
had let the side down. Again, What is this? What
59:30
is he a soccer player? What do you have? A
59:32
soccer match? You scored an own goal? You let the
59:34
side down? What does that even mean? You let your
59:37
family down, You let your own country down, You let
59:40
the girls down, really though, that's who you really let down, Andrew.
59:44
You're supposed to be a prince, all right, he'd probably
59:47
I'm guessing. I'm guessing he's a night too. I think
59:49
he's the Knight of the Garter. That's fitting. But honestly,
59:53
you're a prince if you're you're hanging out with a
59:55
guy like Jeffrey Epstein. You have your own daughters that
59:58
are young. You don't stand up to this, dude says
1:00:00
screw you, dude, I don't want to be involved in
1:00:02
that one. Are you crazy? And if you do have
1:00:04
some sexual proclivities, right there are places where sex work
1:00:08
is legal, go there and get involved. Do what you
1:00:11
gotta do, buddy. The girls could love to have the
1:00:13
money come out of the Nevada go up to the
1:00:16
chicken ranch. They'd love to have you. You can go
1:00:19
have the lamar odem treatment. Andrew had admitted he had
1:00:25
let the side down when he had failed to cut
1:00:27
ties with Epstein immediately after he was jailed in two
1:00:29
thousand and eight for soliciting prostitution from a minor and
1:00:33
a and registered as a sex offender. Not that he
1:00:36
let the side down by actually messing with Virginia Roberts.
1:00:41
Oh no, no, no, he didn't let the side down because
1:00:43
he had sex with an underage girl when he was
1:00:45
a prince and she was trafficked. Oh no, no, no,
1:00:47
no no. The only way he let the side down
1:00:51
was because he was friends with Epstein and he didn't
1:00:53
break it off. It's just absolutely and positively tone deaf
1:00:58
the way these people think about life. The prince said
1:01:02
he visited him in New York in twenty ten after
1:01:04
Epstein's release to break off the friendship, but regretted staying
1:01:08
at his house while he was there. He told Miss Matelists,
1:01:11
it was not something that was becoming of a member
1:01:13
of the royal family, and we try and uphold the
1:01:16
highest standards and practices, and then I let the side down.
1:01:19
Simple as that. I'm sorry I had to break out
1:01:22
my terrible English accent. I do apologize to all of
1:01:25
the listeners from England. I know it's a really horrible,
1:01:29
terrible English accent, but I can't help it. That's what
1:01:31
I hear in my voice in my head when I'm
1:01:33
reading this. I hear his stupid voice in my head,
1:01:35
and he sounds it makes you want to punch him
1:01:37
right in the face. After the Newsnight interview. After the
1:01:42
Newsnight interview was broadcast in November, several of Andrew's business
1:01:46
sponsors for his Pitch at Palace initiative announced they would
1:01:49
no longer back the project. Many of his loyal patronages
1:01:54
also sought to distance themselves from him, and he eventually
1:01:57
announced he was stepping down from all his patronages in
1:02:00
his royal duties. Meanwhile, Miss Roberts, now known by her
1:02:04
married name Virginia Giffrey, gave her own interview to Panorama
1:02:08
in which she insisted the Duke was lying when he
1:02:11
denied meeting her. And then if you watch both of
1:02:13
the interviews, folks, and like we all have, you can
1:02:16
see how uncomfortable Andrew was as opposed to the anger
1:02:21
and the pure fire that Virginia Roberts was spitting, and
1:02:24
you could tell the pain. Just look at Virginia Roberts's
1:02:27
face and any one of these interviews, and look at
1:02:28
the pain in this poor girl's face. What she's had
1:02:31
to go through for standing up to these people is
1:02:33
absolutely absurd. It makes me so mad, It makes me
1:02:37
so disgusted that the cripkeeper Alan Dershowitz, the tighty whitey
1:02:41
wearing sicko, would have the audacity to talk all sorts
1:02:46
of trash about this young lady. Meanwhile, meanwhile, Miss Roberts
1:02:55
has insisted the Duke was lying when he denied meeting her.
1:02:59
She said he had felt ashamed and dirty after they
1:03:01
had sex, adding I had just been abused by a
1:03:04
member of the royal family. I mean, wow, wow, wow, wow.
1:03:09
I had just been abused by a member of the
1:03:11
royal family. Think about that, folks, Think about how chilling
1:03:15
that is. A lot of you out there have daughters,
1:03:17
A lot of you have sisters. We all have mothers,
1:03:20
We all have you know, aunts, cousins, whatever it may be.
1:03:22
Think about them having the same treatment by Jeffrey Epstein.
1:03:25
Think about somebody you care about, For a minute. Put
1:03:28
yourself in the shoes of these people. There's no redress,
1:03:31
there's no recourse. What can they do. They went to
1:03:33
the authorities, nothing, They went to the media nothing. They
1:03:37
went to everybody they possibly could go to. Nothing. Well
1:03:41
guess what, that party that's over because independent content creators,
1:03:45
we're stepping in to fill in the gap. We're stepping
1:03:48
in to tell these people we're here. We're gonna report
1:03:50
on this story. And that's just the end of it.
1:03:52
Nobody can stop us. I don't have any sort of editor,
1:03:54
I don't have anybody who's telling me what I can
1:03:57
or can't report on, and I can I play. And
1:04:00
I'm continuing to be that way, to be very independent
1:04:02
from any sort of influence of trying to get me
1:04:05
knocked off, of course, because it is way way too
1:04:10
important and we are way too late in the game
1:04:13
for anything like that to occur. We are right, we're
1:04:17
moving the ball, folks. I've told you it's like a
1:04:19
football game. It's like a tactical game of football. Might
1:04:23
only get a couple of yards per carry, but guess
1:04:24
what positive yards get them first downs. Play those sticks,
1:04:29
keep them out of the end zone. And that's basically
1:04:32
what's going on on a daily basis. We're not gonna
1:04:35
let up the whole entire the whole, entire story is
1:04:40
just beginning. I mean, we pull on one thread and
1:04:43
we end up somewhere completely else. So the battle is on,
1:04:48
and I know that you folks are ready. You folks
1:04:51
are biting down on your mouthpiece, and I'm doing the
1:04:53
same thing because I can't. I can't. I can't stand
1:04:57
by and just let this occur. I can't stand by
1:04:59
while the these people are walking walking the streets. I cannot.
1:05:03
It's just I can't come to grips with that that
1:05:07
that's the reality that we live in. I don't. I
1:05:09
refuse to believe that as a nation, we're gonna let
1:05:13
this occur. And I'm gonna do everything I possibly can
1:05:17
to keep this story in the public view. I'm gonna
1:05:20
do everything I possibly can to keep this story out there,
1:05:23
and I'm gonna keep on talking about it, even if
1:05:25
I'm deplatformed, even if they take away my show. Even
1:05:28
if they do platform me, you can find me on
1:05:30
Las Vegas Boulevard with a bullhorn spreading the word because
1:05:34
I've had enough. I have just I'm just fed up
1:05:37
and this is this is how this is how I
1:05:39
fight back. This is my way of telling them to
1:05:42
screw off. This is my way of telling the elites
1:05:44
that we're onto them. And that's it. And that's just
1:05:48
the end of it. Because what they've done to Virginia Roberts,
1:05:51
what they've done to these other girls, what people like
1:05:53
Harvey Weinstein and next Tom have done, it is just unconscionable.
1:05:57
And what's even worse is the fact that they were
1:06:00
protected by certain politicians and they were protected by their
1:06:03
friends in the media. Well that's coming to an end, folks.
1:06:08
This is this year twenty twenty. You know what's going down.
1:06:11
Everyone in the back say it loud with me. We're
1:06:13
turning predators into prey in twenty twenty. If you'd like
1:06:18
to contact me, you can do that at Bobby Kapucci
1:06:20
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1:06:23
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1:06:25
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