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Why Did Thomas Massie Lose? · The M&M Experience

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  Speaker 1: This is America two fifty. It's a very big deal
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  Speaker 1: to me. It's a very big deal to you. Do
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  Speaker 1: you look across the country and in nineteen seventy six
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  Speaker 1: you had just turned sixteen. I was about to turn eighteen.
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  Speaker 1: So we're kiddos, we're teenagers, so the eyes of a
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  Speaker 1: teen are different. I hear people saying a lot maybe
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  Speaker 1: two hundreds just a bigger rounder number than two fifty,
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  Speaker 1: but it's just not as big a deal, And I
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  Speaker 1: kind of think that's true. And I think part of
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  Speaker 1: it is because patriotism is collapsing in some corridors of
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  Speaker 1: American life and American thought. It's a very big deal
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  Speaker 1: to me, and Trump is talking about the most fireweeks ever.
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  Speaker 1: It'd lasts an hour, and I'm sure it'll be huge
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  Speaker 1: and spectacular on that day. What's your thoughts is as
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  Speaker 1: America two fifty is really just around the corner.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I just don't see it as a year long celebration.
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  Speaker 2: I think we're going to see a lot of, like
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  Speaker 2: you said, explosions of patriotism on around the fourth of July.
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  Speaker 2: But there's just so much. People are going through so
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  Speaker 2: much right now, and from politics to affordability, to gas prices,
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  Speaker 2: to wondering about the war in Iran.
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  Speaker 1: The nineteen seventy six I'm talking about this year, I know,
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  Speaker 1: but it did that didn't mute our enthusiasm. In seventy
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  Speaker 1: six Ford was president.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody was miserable.
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  Speaker 2: But there wasn't a steady fire hose of information that
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  Speaker 2: everybody gets. Now, yeah, good point, and everybody's everybody's consuming
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  Speaker 2: it in huge waves. Look at what we're doing. We
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  Speaker 2: do radio shows, TV shows, now we're doing podcasts. And incidentally,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we should be all wearing black armbands. On
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  Speaker 2: today's eminem Extra. This is the final night of the
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  Speaker 2: Stephen Colbert Show. This is the final broadcast. Had noticed
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  Speaker 2: no who? Hell?
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  Speaker 3: I sort of did?
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  Speaker 2: Left noticed because Laura Ingram noticed. She said last night
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  Speaker 2: to Raymond Arroyo, and I love this. She's kind of right.
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  Speaker 2: Trump broke late night. He got in Trump's crosshairs. Now
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  Speaker 2: the reason is clear. He was losing. He was hemorrhaging money.
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  Speaker 2: The show was losing two hundred, two hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 2: million dollars a year. They had a huge staff, they
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  Speaker 2: weren't selling enough advertising, the rates weren't high enough to
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  Speaker 2: offset and so now they're going to put on what's
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  Speaker 2: the guy's name? I think, isn't he from Dallas?
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  Speaker 3: Byron Byron Allen? And is he from here? I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be kind of a comedy show and
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  Speaker 1: a sort of an ape non political.
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  Speaker 2: Oh wow, what a shot, non political, Hayes. So for
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  Speaker 2: ninety minutes every night, CBS's late night viewers aren't going
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  Speaker 2: to be treated to a harangue from some school marm
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  Speaker 2: who hates conservatives and hates them I mean case, I hope.
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  Speaker 2: Guess what, go back to the days it could be done.
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  Speaker 2: Raymond Arroyo was arguing that last night, go back to
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  Speaker 2: the days of Carson and when it was just kind
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  Speaker 2: of fun and you didn't know what their politics were.
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  Speaker 2: It was entertainment. People don't want to go to bed mad,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we want them to be mad when they're
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  Speaker 2: listening to us.
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  Speaker 3: The anger constituency will want that. Come come with us
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  Speaker 3: for that.
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  Speaker 2: And I got angry last night. I texted you. I
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  Speaker 2: shouldn't have texted you after I watched the five because
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  Speaker 2: I shouldn't give you a h because I want to
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  Speaker 2: throw things at you without giving you time to think
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  Speaker 2: about it.
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  Speaker 3: I want to just want to double fun double.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm watching Jessica Tarloff, Everybody's favorite villain, over on
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  Speaker 2: Fox News, and they're talking about Thomas Massey's supposed anti semitism.
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  Speaker 2: And this gets back to something you and I talked
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  Speaker 2: about yesterday. I am really intrigued by this subject for
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  Speaker 2: some reason. Maybe I'm maybe I got to leave it alone.
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  Speaker 2: But here here you know, you you believe that that
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  Speaker 2: what he said, the joke. I was trying to concede
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  Speaker 2: to my opponent, but he was busy, he was over
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  Speaker 2: in Tel Aviv. At all. It was despicable and anti
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  Speaker 2: Semitia was it was?
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  Speaker 1: It was, It was classless and stupid.
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  Speaker 2: But a lot of people said anti Semitic. So the
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  Speaker 2: joke but anti Semitic joke. So so there's there's Jessica
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  Speaker 2: Tarloff saying to the kind of the stunned panel, she said, well, look,
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  Speaker 2: we just have to concede something here. Uh, Youjewish group
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  Speaker 2: spent tens of millions of dollars to defeat Thomas Massey.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought, here's a Jewish democrat acknowledging what Massie
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  Speaker 2: is sort of saying that Jewish groups and maybe Jewish
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  Speaker 2: groups aligned with Israel were behind his stunning upset defeat,
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  Speaker 2: and he's saying Israel has a disproportionate role, or Jewish
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  Speaker 2: groups at least have a disproportionate role in our election process.
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  Speaker 2: And there was Jessica Tarloff saying we should acknowledge tens
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  Speaker 2: of millions of dollars were spent by Jewish groups to
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  Speaker 2: defeat Tom Massey. Is that anti semitic mark?
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  Speaker 1: No, it's truth, because pro Israel groups should try to
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  Speaker 1: contribute to get rid of anti Israel candidates.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, they get to do that. Yes, the whole you
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  Speaker 2: and I see it that way. I agree with you entirely.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, I do a lot of stuff. For example,
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  Speaker 2: I partner with groups that the fight anti Semitism. Anti
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  Speaker 2: Semitism is real, it's a scourge, nothing wrong with dealing
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  Speaker 2: with it. But again, I just just will gently say
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  Speaker 2: one more time criticizing Israel or criticizing, for example, the
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  Speaker 2: act of Jewish groups but from out of state. By
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  Speaker 2: the way, a lot of these Jewish groups had nothing
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  Speaker 2: to do with Kentucky. These are out of state groups
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  Speaker 2: funneling money into the to the Gallerying campaign. People have
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  Speaker 2: a right to say I don't like that and that,
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  Speaker 2: and that doesn't mean they're an anti semi doesn't mean
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  Speaker 2: they're doesn't mean hate you.
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  Speaker 1: But the moment they say ed was under the mysterious
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  Speaker 1: thrall of the Jews gave him money. I know that's
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  Speaker 1: where the Shylrock imagery kicks in. And that's an anti
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  Speaker 1: submitting like.
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  Speaker 2: This, goofy. Have you seen this Democrat candidate that wants
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  Speaker 2: to put Zionists in prison?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, the lady with the weird pink glasses. It's Texas
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  Speaker 1: thirty five. She's here, she's thirty five. She is your
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  Speaker 1: congresswoman in Texas. She's and she won, she's advancing out
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  Speaker 1: of the general and she's a stone cold whack job.
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  Speaker 1: This woman, what's her name, Melissa, Milinda, somebody she've got.
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  Speaker 1: She looks like some character from like some some sitcom.
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  Speaker 1: He's gotta be big, oversized glasses. She wants to put
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  Speaker 1: ice agents in a in a in a concentration camp.
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  Speaker 1: She wants to put Zionists in a concentration camp. Maureen Galindo,
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  Speaker 1: Maureen Galindo.
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  Speaker 2: Oh boy, you look her up. You wanna you want
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  Speaker 2: to go through you want to have an adventure. You
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  Speaker 2: go want to look at some of the things she
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  Speaker 2: has said. She is a doozy, I mean, and look
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  Speaker 2: they they kind of all are tall. Rico, come on,
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  Speaker 2: six genders, God's non binary. We gotta find out if
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  Speaker 2: he's a vegan or Now that's all I care about.
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  Speaker 1: And she's she's she's in the runoff on Tuesday too.
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  Speaker 1: She has not cleared for November yet, because I was
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  Speaker 1: gonna say, I thought I heard Democrats try actual dem
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  Speaker 1: even Hakim Jeffries. Maybe maybe they gotta she want the
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  Speaker 1: runoff right, or she wanted to run run off it Tuesday.
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  Speaker 2: It's coming up Tuesday.
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  Speaker 1: I got you, I got you, Okay, that kind of
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  Speaker 1: thing I got you, get it.
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  Speaker 2: Don't don't talk down to me. I'm the tell me.
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  Speaker 2: Tell tell me some more about how Trump. Tell me
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  Speaker 2: some more how Trump is gonna enjoy.
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  Speaker 3: I can't get away with anything.
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  Speaker 2: I hold that over your head till from now until
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  Speaker 2: the day we die. I will remind you of that. Hey,
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  Speaker 2: let's let's tackle something that's uncomfortable. Can we can we do? Hey,
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  Speaker 2: it's Thursday. We got one more day tomorrow. I'm on
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  Speaker 2: vacation next week. Godspeed, You're on.
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  Speaker 2: when we're on vacation. All right, so let's talk about
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  Speaker 2: the meltdown that they're all having on the left, about
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  Speaker 2: the one point seven billion dollar fund for January six
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  Speaker 2: ers and for and for others who have been unfairly prosecuted.
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  Speaker 2: I saw, I saw Todd blanch last night on TV.
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  Speaker 2: He was he gave an interview and he said, look,
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  Speaker 2: they're going to take this on a case by case
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  Speaker 2: basis because there's two There's two sides to this coin,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm really curious as to what side you're on.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe both are true. You've got people who behaved violently
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  Speaker 2: that day, people who fought cops, people who attack cops,
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  Speaker 2: and there's no way around this. People who committed physical
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  Speaker 2: acts of violence and certainly damaged property. They did bad things.
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  Speaker 2: And now the other side of the coin is, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: they did bad things. That doesn't mean that they should
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  Speaker 2: be sentenced to many, many years of prison, they should
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  Speaker 2: be denied due process, that doesn't mean that they should
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  Speaker 2: be treated terribly by the justice system, because, let's face it,
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  Speaker 2: the Democrats saw this thing as something different than your
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  Speaker 2: typical act of violence on a normal day. And what
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  Speaker 2: I would say is, in fact, I was reading I
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  Speaker 2: was reading somebody saying, look, I'm a January sixth er,
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  Speaker 2: a guy named John Cameron. I protested a stolen election.
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  Speaker 2: I walked right past the police through a door that
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  Speaker 2: was opened for me. The police let me in. My
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  Speaker 2: father's step son turned me into the FBI. My house
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  Speaker 2: was raided, I was branded a trader and insurrectionist. I
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  Speaker 2: pleaded guilty to illegal picketing, a Class B petty offense.
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  Speaker 2: I wound up going to jail for thirty days, even
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  Speaker 2: though they promised if I pleaded guilty to picketing picketing, Mark,
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  Speaker 2: this guy spent thirty days apparently in jail for a
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  Speaker 2: Class B petty offense, misdemeanor called illegal picketing because the
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  Speaker 2: judge said he wasn't remorseful enough. He said, all I
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  Speaker 2: did was chance stop the steal inside the capitol and
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  Speaker 2: wore the wrong T shirt. So that's the guy. You
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  Speaker 2: know what would be interesting to me, Mark? Before I
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  Speaker 2: get your response to all of this, some intrepid reporter
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  Speaker 2: ought to compare the prison sentences that the January six
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  Speaker 2: ers got for fighting with cops. I'm talking about the
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  Speaker 2: violent ones. Now we know there were people who did that.
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  Speaker 2: Now compare those to the prison sentences of people who
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  Speaker 2: assaulted cops and burned down buildings during George Floyd.
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  Speaker 1: Riots, or even the vigor with which these folks were pursued.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe the jan sixers were easier to find because clearly
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  Speaker 1: they're right there and focused on one building where the BLM.
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  Speaker 1: The George Floyd riots were splayed out across various American cities, gapes,
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  Speaker 1: but that kind of rioting just doesn't seem to bother
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  Speaker 1: people as much. I think this fund is fantastic. I
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  Speaker 1: admit that it is tricky optics. It gives the other
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  Speaker 1: side the opportunity to say it's a slush fund to
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  Speaker 1: reward J six criminals. It's going to require some explaining,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to require some masonaging, but I love it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh. Yes, they better going to have to vet there,
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  Speaker 2: because they're going to be commissioners who are going to
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  Speaker 2: decide it on a case by case basis.
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  Speaker 3: They better do a good job. They better do a job.
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  Speaker 2: If you hit a cop over the head or whatever,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you should get a dome. Sorry, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think you If you assaulted a cop, you're not
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  Speaker 2: entitled to any compensation. But if you were, if you're
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  Speaker 2: some granny who just happened to be there and you
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  Speaker 2: wound up having to spend thousands and thousands of dollars, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: depleting your life savings to try to defend yourself because
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  Speaker 2: you were in the wrong place. At the wrong time.
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  Speaker 2: That's it. Maybe you're entitled to some.
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  Speaker 3: Money, that's it.
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  Speaker 1: It was wildly overly aggressive because not just because there
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  Speaker 1: was an offense committed, which there were at various levels
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  Speaker 1: from the really bad to the sort of bad, but
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  Speaker 1: almost all of them were going after with such zeal
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  Speaker 1: because of political venom.
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