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Sarah's Day's Emotional Breakdown · Outspoken the Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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Speaker 1: Kate Torber and coming up on today's show, the truth
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Speaker 1: about Tammy Hembrough's co-parenting relationship. But first, Sarah's day has
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Speaker 1: been praised for candidly sharing the realities of caravanning with
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Speaker 1: her family of five. The OG influencer had an emotional breakdown.
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Speaker 1: after discovering the luxury caravan had no oven to reheat
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Speaker 1: her kids' home-cooked meals. So if the only catch is,
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Speaker 1: this holiday was part of a gifted trip from Titanium Caravans. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I would have loved to be a fly on the
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Speaker 1: wall of their office when this vlog dropped, because it
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Speaker 1: was entitled, We Tried Caravanning With Three Kids And I
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Speaker 1: Had An Emotional Breakdown.
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Speaker 2: So.
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Speaker 1: off the bat, it doesn't particularly paint caravanning with your
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Speaker 1: young family in a very favorable light. My worst nightmare
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Speaker 1: would be camping quickly followed by caravanning. So when I
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Speaker 1: heard Sarah's day was going on this trip with her family,
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Speaker 1: bearing in mind that she has a son that's one
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Speaker 1: years old, plus two other young kids, I was like,
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Speaker 1: there is no way I would ever want to do that.
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Speaker 1: And I was kind of interested to see how it
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Speaker 1: went because I've seen these caravans before Titanium Caravans actually
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Speaker 1: sponsored the block and the block contestants lived in them
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Speaker 1: for a couple of months as well as Scott Cam.
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Speaker 1: And they looked like amazing caravans.
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Speaker 3: So I'm like, oh, maybe if it's a luxury caravan,
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Speaker 3: you might.
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Speaker 1: A lot of the time these luxury caravans are loaned
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Speaker 1: out to families who have vlogging channels where they're road
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Speaker 1: tripping around Australia or in different countries. And my husband
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Speaker 1: loves watching them. And quite often the families will pump
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Speaker 1: up how incredible these caravans are. So you can see
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Speaker 1: why potentially they thought this was a good opportunity to
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Speaker 1: work with Sarah and her family. The partnership was first
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Speaker 1: promoted in early January on Titanium Caravan's Instagram, which has
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Speaker 1: over 63,000 followers. So they posted a happy snap of Sarah,
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Speaker 1: her husband Kurt, and their three kids in front of
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Speaker 1: one of their luxury caravans with the caption, Welcome to
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Speaker 1: the Titanium family, Sarah, Kurt, Fox, Malachi, and Harlow. Now
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Speaker 1: in the comment section, there were already a few envious people.
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Speaker 1: One wrote, I want to join the family with crying
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Speaker 1: face emojis. And I think that's because there was a
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Speaker 1: bit of confusion around what the partnership actually was. Some
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Speaker 1: people thought perhaps they'd been given the caravan. I can
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Speaker 1: see why people thought that because a similar thing happened
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Speaker 1: a couple of Christmases ago when Sarah's Day gave Kurt
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Speaker 1: a speedboat. It was a very luxe speedboat, probably cost
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Speaker 1: a couple of hundred thousand dollars. But he had previously
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Speaker 1: been working with the brand. So everyone's like, oh, that
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Speaker 1: he got it for free, which he didn't.
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Speaker 3: Well, that is the.
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Speaker 1: Issue when influencers don't disclose partnerships properly. It leads to
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Speaker 1: a lot of confusion. Now, friend of the podcast Influencer
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Speaker 1: Updates AU, she reshared the photo and questioned whether this
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Speaker 1: was a paid partnership as influencer Chloe Fisher also partnered
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Speaker 1: with Titanium last year. As soon as I saw Sarah
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Speaker 1: posting live from her caravan trip, I knew that there
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Speaker 1: was some partnership going on between her and Titanium. However,
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Speaker 1: it became more apparent later. what the deal actually was
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Speaker 1: in the vlog because Sarah and her family were greeted
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Speaker 1: by two members of the team and given a tour
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Speaker 1: of the caravan.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And she actually did shed some light on the partnership
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Speaker 1: in the comment section under the YouTube video. So there
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Speaker 1: was a follower who was confused because they thought that
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Speaker 1: she had purchased the caravan from titanium. Sarah ended up replying,
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Speaker 1: we didn't buy one. We just borrowed this. You really
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Speaker 1: think I would purchase such a big investment piece without
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Speaker 1: researching or even going caravanning with my family. No, we
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Speaker 1: borrowed this for seven days. I've noticed this trend of
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Speaker 1: Sarah giving her followers a bit of attitude when they
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Speaker 1: don't agree with her or question.
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Speaker 3: Her over things.
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Speaker 1: But I feel like this comment was a fair one
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Speaker 1: considering clearly there was either a paid partnership element to
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Speaker 1: this deal or contra. And as an influencer, you are
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Speaker 1: obliged to disclose that partnership. And it clearly wasn't disclosed
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Speaker 1: clearly enough if people were confused. Yeah, because you could
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Speaker 1: just explain the partnership.
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Speaker 3: In a friendly manner.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it looked like this was a genuine fan
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Speaker 1: of hers because the person ended up writing back.
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Speaker 3: Like, I'm so sorry. I hope my message didn't come
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Speaker 3: across rude.
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Speaker 1: Now that we are all up to speed on how
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Speaker 1: this partnership worked, let's go into what actually went down
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Speaker 1: in this vlog because it was an entertaining one. So
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Speaker 1: she started the vlog by prefacing that this would be
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Speaker 1: her only negative comment about the trip.
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Speaker 3: Side note, it wasn't. Let's take a listen to what
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Speaker 3: she said.
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Speaker 4: The only negative thing I'll say is we get one
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Speaker 4: Christmas holiday and I was thinking like.
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Speaker 1: A resort with a pool, with a bar where you like.
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Speaker 5: Swim up and order mocktails. Instead, we are going caravanning.
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Speaker 1: The comment about only getting one Christmas holiday was interesting
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Speaker 1: because Sarah has already got a trip lined up in
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Speaker 1: February and last year we spoke in depth about all
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Speaker 1: her different holidays overseas. There was that controversy when she
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Speaker 1: pulled Fox, her son, out of school. to take him
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Speaker 1: to Fiji. So I was like, well, I mean, my
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Speaker 1: sympathy for you isn't massive when you have multiple holidays
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Speaker 1: to go on. And I mean, a lot of families
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Speaker 1: would absolutely love to take their kids caravanning for a
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Speaker 1: week in a free caravan.
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Speaker 3: Well, particularly in a luxury caravan. The thing is she
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Speaker 3: went on to preface that she grew up.
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Speaker 1: Caravanning and camping a lot, and she's not afraid of
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Speaker 1: getting dirty. It's not because she thinks that she deserves
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Speaker 1: this bougie holiday, but it's that because she's a mom,
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Speaker 1: her day-to-day life is already centered around feeding kids, cleaning,
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Speaker 1: making beds.
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Speaker 3: Doing laundry.
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Speaker 1: So when she goes on a holiday, she wants someone
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Speaker 1: else to do that for her, which I do get.
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Speaker 1: As a mom, the logistics of caravanning to me just
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Speaker 1: sound horrendous. Even in a luxury caravan, it looked like
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Speaker 1: a nightmare doing the bedtime routine. I mean, you're in
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Speaker 1: one living space. I mean, I can definitely sympathize with
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Speaker 1: Sarah on that regards because I am someone who, as
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Speaker 1: soon as I became a mom, I was like, we
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Speaker 1: must abide by this routine. Like it was my only
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Speaker 1: way to get a bit of control around the situation.
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Speaker 1: And when that is taken away from you, you do
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Speaker 1: feel quite hopeless, which is I think what we saw
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Speaker 1: unfold during this vlog.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Now, when Sarah and her family arrived at the camping grounds,
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Speaker 1: as we mentioned, the team from Titanium were there to
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Speaker 1: show them how the caravan's features work. And it was
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Speaker 1: kind of awkward because the man was there explaining it
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Speaker 1: to them, but she started vlogging and saying, oh, my
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Speaker 1: toxic trait is that when people explain things to me,
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Speaker 1: it goes in one ear and out the other. And
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Speaker 1: it kind of just seemed a little bit disrespectful because
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Speaker 1: he was, you know, maybe he thought she'd film it like, oh, here's,
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Speaker 1: you know, let's have a little bit of a tour. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: it did become apparent that she wasn't listening to this
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Speaker 1: guy at all, because in the next scene, we see
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Speaker 1: her in tears upon realizing that the oven in the
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Speaker 1: kitchen was was in fact a dishwasher.
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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to what she said.
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Speaker 5: I'm just feeling overwhelmed.
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Speaker 4: I tried to be really organized and I prepped all
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Speaker 4: these frozen meals for us. This sounds so dumb that
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Speaker 4: I'm crying, but three kids, one who can't walk, and
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Speaker 4: Malachi's just been going off all day having tantrums.
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Speaker 2: So I'm feeling really overstimulated. Anyway, I prepped all of
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Speaker 2: our dinners. I thought this was an oven and it's
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Speaker 2: a dishwasher. So now it's six o'clock. My kids are
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Speaker 2: starving and grumpy. I don't know what to do for dinner.
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Speaker 4: If you know, if you have young kids and when
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Speaker 4: they're hungry, like you need to feed them right then
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Speaker 4: and there.
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Speaker 2: Anyway, so now I'm going to have to make another
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Speaker 2: plan for those dinners because I can't heat them up.
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Speaker 1: What I didn't get was there was a microwave there.
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Speaker 1: So why couldn't she just microwave the food? Someone raised
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Speaker 1: that in the comment section and she replied saying that
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Speaker 1: they don't use a microwave in their household.
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Speaker 3: So she kind of felt uncomfortable. That does ring a bell.
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Speaker 1: I remember when they moved into their house and had
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Speaker 1: it completely redone in her kitchen, they got this massive
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Speaker 1: oven and then also a steamer and everyone's like, where's
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Speaker 1: the microwave? She seems very anti-microwave. God, I don't think
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Speaker 1: I could operate. with a toddler without a microwave. Like
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Speaker 1: I literally put everything in the microwave for him.
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Speaker 3: How did you feel watching that clip?
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Speaker 1: Because for me, I couldn't help but feel really sorry
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Speaker 1: for her. She looked really helpless in it and absolutely
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Speaker 1: beside herself.
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Speaker 3: You could tell she was at.
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Speaker 1: The end of her tether and I have been there before.
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Speaker 1: Like I knew exactly how she was feeling. So I
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Speaker 1: definitely felt sorry for her. But then there was this
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Speaker 1: other part of me thinking, well, this whole trip has
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Speaker 1: been paid for. And there is a solution. You could
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Speaker 1: just put the food in the microwave. I think it
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Speaker 1: was more of a case of her losing the control
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Speaker 1: that she normally has at home. And this is how
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Speaker 1: I like to cook my healthy meals. And the fact
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Speaker 1: that she'd prep them all, I mean, that would have
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Speaker 1: been incredibly frustrating. But as I was sitting there as
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Speaker 1: someone who often uses a microwave, I was like, just
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Speaker 1: bung them in the microwave, love. Well, there was also
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Speaker 1: this portable induction stove that they could have used. But
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Speaker 1: Sarah went on to say that the titanium people didn't
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Speaker 1: give them the right pots and pans to use so
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Speaker 1: I thought that was an interesting little dig as well
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Speaker 1: yeah I mean the whole thing was just uncomfortable knowing
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Speaker 1: that it was part of a paid partnership and watching
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Speaker 1: it all unfold and then also choosing to keep that
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Speaker 1: portion in the vlog that's what I said to my
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Speaker 1: husband I said you know fair enough have a bit
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Speaker 1: of a meltdown if you want to film it film
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Speaker 1: it whatever but then when you go to edit it
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Speaker 1: maybe think how would the brand feel if this was
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Speaker 1: included and also sort of Laying a bit of blame
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Speaker 1: on the brand, giving them the wrong.
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Speaker 3: Pots and pans.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm guessing there weren't any stipulations that the brand
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Speaker 1: had to approve the video because sometimes when you do
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Speaker 1: paid partnerships, the brand has to sign off on it.
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Speaker 1: But maybe because it was a contra deal, there weren't
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Speaker 1: as many strict rules. It was clear that Sarah was
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Speaker 1: already preempting how the meltdown could have come across to
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Speaker 1: her followers because she said this.
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Speaker 5: The last thing I want to do is be ungrateful
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Speaker 5: and a spoiled brat. I know this is going to
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Speaker 5: get twisted.
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Speaker 6: But again, I've been on social media for 13 years,
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Speaker 6: being my honest, authentic self.
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Speaker 4: And the last thing I'm going to do is come
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Speaker 4: on here and put on a show.
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Speaker 3: This is a vlog.
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Speaker 5: This is my real life.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting that she had the foresight to see how
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Speaker 1: this could potentially be misconstrued, but then she.
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Speaker 3: Chose to keep in the clip.
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Speaker 1: I think because she knows that a lot of mums
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Speaker 1: follow her and while there will be people that take
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Speaker 1: it a different way, there will also be a lot
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Speaker 1: of people that relate to her situation and feel.
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Speaker 3: Sorry for her.
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Speaker 1: Her transparency with her audience is probably more important than
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Speaker 1: pleasing this sponsor. I mean, she's probably thinking to herself,
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Speaker 1: I don't really want to go on another caravan trip.
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Speaker 1: We don't have to keep them happy. I don't want
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Speaker 1: to be part of the titanium family anymore. She ended
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Speaker 1: up being able to feed her kids luckily. She used
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Speaker 1: the microwave in the end and She showed them eating
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Speaker 1: at the campsite, as you say, Kate, looking at her
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Speaker 1: absolute wits end, and she confessed that she was really
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Speaker 1: scared how their nighttime routine was going to go. I
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Speaker 1: was stressed watching it unfold because while it was a
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Speaker 1: luxury caravan, they still had three kids in there who
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Speaker 1: go to bed at separate times. One of the kids,
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Speaker 1: the youngest kid, is only I think like 14 months old,
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Speaker 1: so they had to prop up this kind of I
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Speaker 1: supposed fence up at the bottom bunk so he wouldn't
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Speaker 1: roll out of bed. And they had to wait for
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Speaker 1: him to fall asleep before the other kids went in. Like,
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Speaker 1: I just don't even know how they did it. You
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Speaker 1: could tell that Kurt was aware that this wasn't the
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Speaker 1: best ad for the caravan because they did this little
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Speaker 1: tour and he was trying to talk up a lot
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Speaker 1: of the features. He's like, oh, look at all the
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Speaker 1: space and the different cabinets. But then Sarah was pointing out, oh, yeah, well,
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Speaker 1: we haven't used the en suite before because with kids
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Speaker 1: it's easier for us just to use the communal features
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Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my God, just say one
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Speaker 1: nice thing about the place. Yeah. And she's also complaining
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Speaker 1: that the washing machine in the caravan wasn't big enough.
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Speaker 1: So she was having to do daily washes. I'm like,
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Speaker 1: oh my God, isn't it great that you've got a
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Speaker 1: washing machine? It's so awkward because when you look at
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Speaker 1: how titanium markets these caravans, they say it's a great
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Speaker 1: option for traveling families. It's very spacious. But all Sarah
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Speaker 1: spoke about in the vlog was how cramped it was
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Speaker 1: and how it was so difficult to fit everything in.
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Speaker 1: I mean, she also showed herself cooking in the communal
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Speaker 1: barbecue area saying, I can't cook in my caravan, so
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Speaker 1: I've had to come to the public zone. So again,
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Speaker 1: it wasn't a glowing review.
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Speaker 3: But that being said, her followers lapped it up.
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Speaker 1: As you mentioned, Kate, she has a lot of young
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Speaker 1: mums who follow her and they appreciated how transparent she
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Speaker 1: was in this vlog. One follower wrote, thank you for
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Speaker 1: providing real life testimony as opposed to just a highlight
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Speaker 1: reel that would make the rest of us feel like
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Speaker 1: we're failing. Whilst another said, super valid breakdown. I would
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Speaker 1: have lost it, like gone home. Also, what kind of
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Speaker 1: RV has a dishwasher but no oven? Literally never heard
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Speaker 1: of such a thing. I'm sure the brand wasn't happy
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Speaker 1: with that one. Some followers weren't as impressed though. One wrote,
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Speaker 1: I'm unfollowing because I honestly can no longer handle your
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Speaker 1: constant complaining. While another said, how can you have a
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Speaker 1: meltdown in a titanium? I found it interesting because despite
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Speaker 1: titanium welcoming Sarah and Kurt to the family and They
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Speaker 1: didn't like her post where she promoted her vlog. They
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Speaker 1: also didn't comment on it and Sarah didn't tag them
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Speaker 1: in it. Well, they clearly weren't happy with the coverage
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Speaker 1: and Sarah wasn't happy with the holiday. This whole situation
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Speaker 1: really made me question if an influencer accepts an experience,
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Speaker 1: are they obliged to give a glowing review? Because initially
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Speaker 1: when I watched this vlog, I was like, oh my God,
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Speaker 1: I feel so sorry for the brand. But then I thought, well,
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Speaker 1: isn't Sarah actually doing a good job in terms of
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Speaker 1: being transparent for her audience? Like just because she's accepted
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Speaker 1: the trip, does she have to pretend that she enjoyed it?
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's what we want from influencers these days.
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Speaker 1: We want them to be honest with the experience.
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Speaker 3: That they have.
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Speaker 1: The difficulty is that obviously that's going to be skewed
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Speaker 1: when they are gifted something. And I think, well, if
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Speaker 1: Sarah didn't enjoy it and she doesn't want to continue
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Speaker 1: the partnership on, then it kind of makes sense for
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Speaker 1: her to go, okay, actually that wasn't for me. This
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Speaker 1: was my true experience in there. It'll be interesting to
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Speaker 1: see though, if the partnership continues, I know you said
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Speaker 1: that it seems like titanium weren't happy about it, but
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Speaker 1: Kurt still does a lot of camping. And I mean,
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Speaker 1: I was thinking back a couple of weeks ago, Kurt
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Speaker 1: took the two older boys out on a camping trip
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Speaker 1: and Sarah stayed at home with the baby.
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Speaker 3: That probably would have been better.
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Speaker 1: For titanium to sponsor rather than Sarah on the trip.
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Speaker 1: So Yeah, but they want Sarah to share it on
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Speaker 1: her YouTube channel. That's where all the eyeballs are. I know,
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Speaker 1: but potentially it may have worked better with more of
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Speaker 1: a niche audience, like a dad audience watching it through
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Speaker 1: Kurt's channel.
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Speaker 3: That's the thing.
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Speaker 1: With Sarah, I think she would have felt that it
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Speaker 1: was disingenuous to rave about how easy and carefree this
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Speaker 1: trip was when she clearly found it very challenging. And
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Speaker 1: I think she's really built an audience around... chaos of
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Speaker 1: her life and her audience really trust her reviews. Like
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Speaker 1: she only works with a handful of brands and you
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Speaker 1: can tell that they're brands that she actually really likes.
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Speaker 1: So I don't think she was about to jeopardize that
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Speaker 1: just for a free trip. I don't know if she
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Speaker 1: particularly likes the brands. I think that she has for
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Speaker 1: so many years now been a master in promoting things.
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Speaker 1: Like I remember when I started watching her channel back
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Speaker 1: in the day, And I'm like, I need to get
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Speaker 1: my hands on that loving earth chocolate she eats.
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Speaker 3: It sounds absolutely delicious.
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Speaker 1: Like she used to talk about how Kurt had to
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Speaker 1: hide it from her.
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Speaker 3: Because she would just eat a whole block.
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Speaker 1: Anyway.
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Speaker 3: I think she did genuinely like it.
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Speaker 1: Surely not because I bought the chocolate and it tasted
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Speaker 1: like candles. Like it tasted like it was inedible. And
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Speaker 1: also we saw how she managed to basically build Tropica,
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Speaker 1: that protein company up as a brand. I mean, it
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Speaker 1: literally featured in every one of her vlogs.
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Speaker 3: I bought it. I actually still buy.
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Speaker 1: It now based on being influenced by her. But as
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Speaker 1: soon as that deal cut off, never uses it again.
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Speaker 1: So clearly she can't like it that much. I don't
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Speaker 1: think it means that she never liked it. I think
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Speaker 1: it means that the partnership went sour and she thought, well, fuck,
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to promote them anymore. I mean, she
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Speaker 1: might still eat it behind closed doors. She just doesn't
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Speaker 1: bloody post about it.
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Speaker 3: In terms of the.
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Speaker 1: Partnership with Titanium Caravans, I really want to know whether
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Speaker 1: Sarah was just gifted the trip or whether she was
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Speaker 1: paid to promote them because Her reaction then would sit
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Speaker 1: differently with me. Because if this was a paid partnership,
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Speaker 1: that would mean that Titanium would have sent her and
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Speaker 1: Kurt these key messages that they wanted them to convey
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Speaker 1: about the caravan. For instance, they probably would have requested
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Speaker 1: Sarah to emphasize how spacious the caravan was or how
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Speaker 1: it was perfect for a family holiday. If that's the case,
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Speaker 1: she then didn't live up to the bargains. In saying
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Speaker 1: that though, if they just gifted it to her, they
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Speaker 1: probably didn't have those stipulations in place. And it was
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Speaker 1: more of a, give us your honest opinion of the caravan. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Because these days, I think brands have a bit of
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Speaker 1: a different approach to gifting. Previously, they probably sent through
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Speaker 1: a lot of stipulations like, in order to accept this gift,
16:36
Speaker 1: you must post this and use this hashtag. And these
16:39
Speaker 1: are the key messaging. But I think now they try
16:42
Speaker 1: and take a bit of a step back and not
16:44
Speaker 1: place a lot of pressure on influencers to post. They
16:46
Speaker 1: want the post to feel organic. And I think that's
16:48
Speaker 1: probably what happened in this instance. However, it has backfired
16:51
Speaker 1: on them a little bit. I'm really interested to know
16:53
Speaker 1: who approached who as well. Because if, for instance, Kurt
16:57
Speaker 1: approached them on behalf of Sarah, I think you'd be
17:00
Speaker 1: pretty pissed off if you were the brand with the
17:03
Speaker 1: review that they've given. Whereas if Titanium approached them, you'd
17:06
Speaker 1: be like, well, fair enough.
17:09
Speaker 7: This one is up there with the most asked as well.
17:12
Speaker 1: Matt Paul's fiancee, Annalise Oatway, has opened up about her
17:16
Speaker 1: co-parenting relationship with Tammy Hembrough. The nurse and micro-influencer confessed
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Speaker 1: she and Tammy communicate regularly. So before we get into it,
17:24
Speaker 1: can you get listeners up to speed on the family dynamic? Well,
17:28
Speaker 1: Matt the first, as we like to refer to him
17:30
Speaker 1: on Outspoken, got engaged to Tammy at the end of 2021,
17:34
Speaker 1: if you'll believe it. Now, Tammy was pregnant when he
17:37
Speaker 1: proposed and she gave birth to their daughter, Posey, in
17:40
Speaker 1: June 2022. Very soon after Posey's birth, the couple sadly
17:45
Speaker 1: called off their engagement. Now, Annalise came into the picture
17:49
Speaker 1: two years later with the couple confirming their relationship in
17:53
Speaker 1: May 2024. And it's quite clear from Annalise's Instagram account
17:58
Speaker 1: that she has taken the role of stepmom very seriously. Yeah,
18:01
Speaker 1: you can see they've got a very special bond and
18:03
Speaker 1: it's not put on. It's not something that they're just
18:05
Speaker 1: doing for the cameras. Yeah, they seem to do a
18:07
Speaker 1: lot of cute activities together and you can see that
18:10
Speaker 1: they're both very affectionate with one another. Now, a year
18:13
Speaker 1: after confirming their relationship, Annalise and Matt welcomed their son
18:17
Speaker 1: Parker Paul. So they did continue with the pee theme there.
18:20
Speaker 1: And it has been very cute to see Posey and
18:22
Speaker 1: Parker growing up alongside each other as brother and sister
18:25
Speaker 1: because Posey lives with Matt and Annalise on set days
18:28
Speaker 1: during the week. They haven't specified how many days, but
18:31
Speaker 1: it seems like she does regularly live under their roof.
18:34
Speaker 5: Yeah.
18:34
Speaker 1: And Tammy Hembrough for a long time now has really
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Speaker 1: been commended for her co-parenting relationship with her baby daddies,
18:41
Speaker 1: Matt Paul and Rhys Hawkins. In interviews, she never speaks
18:46
Speaker 1: badly of Rhys or Matt. And she says that she
18:49
Speaker 1: likes to keep things civil for the sake of their kids. Recently,
18:53
Speaker 1: it seemed like things were a little bit rocky though,
18:55
Speaker 1: between Tammy and Matt Paul and Annalise Otway, because they
19:00
Speaker 1: were seen publicly liking this video that mocked Tammy for
19:04
Speaker 1: crying about her breakup. And it just seemed like something
19:08
Speaker 1: was off between them. And there was a bit of
19:10
Speaker 1: a vibe that Matt Zukowski and Matt Paul were friends.
19:12
Speaker 1: There were a few comments back and forth that made
19:15
Speaker 1: you feel as though they'd had a deep and meaningful,
19:17
Speaker 1: or there was more going on than the public knew. Yeah.
19:20
Speaker 1: So it's not really surprising that when Annalise put up
19:23
Speaker 1: a Q & A box recently on her Instagram story,
19:27
Speaker 1: that she was absolutely inundated with followers asking about her
19:30
Speaker 1: relationship with Tammy. One follower wrote, do you and Tammy
19:33
Speaker 1: talk slash get on? Let's take a listen to what
19:36
Speaker 1: Annalise said.
19:38
Speaker 7: Tammy and I talk about Pose. So if we have
19:41
Speaker 7: Posey and probably wants to talk to her mum, we FaceTime.
19:44
Speaker 7: If she's doing her dance concert or something and Tammy
19:47
Speaker 7: can't make it, I send pictures. All of our chat
19:51
Speaker 7: is strictly Posey related. We're not going for coffees or
19:54
Speaker 7: anything like that. But yeah, we chat about Poe. We
19:58
Speaker 7: have to navigate pickups and drop-offs and all that sort
20:01
Speaker 7: of stuff.
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Speaker 1: Do you sort of read between the lines of that comment, oh,
20:05
Speaker 1: we don't go for coffees or anything? as her sort
20:08
Speaker 1: of saying, we're not friends.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
20:09
Speaker 1: And the fact that she says we strictly only talk
20:12
Speaker 1: about Posey, it's clear that both women want what's best
20:15
Speaker 1: for Posey and they're putting aside the fact that they
20:18
Speaker 1: probably don't like each other.
20:19
Speaker 3: I mean, why would you? Why would you like your
20:21
Speaker 3: fiance's ex?
20:22
Speaker 1: I also think that Matt Paul probably doesn't want things
20:25
Speaker 1: getting blurred, which you could understand because would you really
20:29
Speaker 1: want your fiance and ex-fiance catching up to exchange notes
20:32
Speaker 1: about you?
20:33
Speaker 5: Oh yeah.
20:33
Speaker 1: Like he leaves the toilet seat up. He's messy he's
20:36
Speaker 1: annoying you know what I mean like you don't you
20:39
Speaker 1: it's kind of a weird situation for your current partner
20:41
Speaker 1: to meet your ex that doesn't usually happen it's funny
20:44
Speaker 1: also because if you were Annalise you wouldn't really want
20:48
Speaker 1: Matt being the one sending photos and organizing the drop-off
20:51
Speaker 1: either so it's kind of like for the betterment of
20:54
Speaker 1: your relationship Annalise has to be the middle person but
20:58
Speaker 1: you know I mean I wouldn't want to be communicating
21:02
Speaker 1: with my husband's ex about, like, you know, you want
21:05
Speaker 1: to cut them off completely and they obviously can't do
21:07
Speaker 1: that because they've got a child together. So I think
21:10
Speaker 1: it's fantastic that they are putting aside whatever they feel
21:13
Speaker 1: about each other to parent Posey the.
21:15
Speaker 3: Way they do. It's clearly working very well for them.
21:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the more surface level that they keep
21:19
Speaker 1: this relationship, the less trouble there's going to be. Because
21:23
Speaker 1: it's like if you're catching up, as I said, and
21:24
Speaker 1: exchanging notes, that's when little niggles start to show and little,
21:28
Speaker 1: you know, he said, she said stuff starts happening too.
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Speaker 7: Mm-hmm.
21:32
Speaker 1: Well, the interesting thing with Annalise is that she and Matt,
21:35
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, have gone on to have their own child.
21:38
Speaker 1: And she was asked if she finds parenting Posey different
21:41
Speaker 1: from parenting her son, Parker. Let's take a listen to
21:44
Speaker 1: what she said.
21:46
Speaker 7: It's not different. So in our house, the rules are
21:48
Speaker 7: the rules and the boundaries are the boundaries. And they're
21:50
Speaker 7: going to be the same for both kids. Plain and simple.
21:54
Speaker 7: Kids need boundaries. They feel safe with boundaries. If you're
21:57
Speaker 7: consistent with them, they know that that's just the boundary.
21:59
Speaker 7: So I'm not going to treat them any different. They're
22:02
Speaker 7: brother and sister. They live under the same house.
22:04
Speaker 5: A rule's a rule.
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Speaker 1: I loved her response because I think that stepmoms have
22:08
Speaker 1: gotten a really bad rap, probably from stories like Cinderella,
22:12
Speaker 1: of not caring about their stepchildren as much as their
22:16
Speaker 1: biological children or treating them differently. And you can tell
22:20
Speaker 1: that that certainly isn't the case in the situation for Posey.
22:24
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, there's probably a lot of people that couldn't
22:26
Speaker 1: relate to that situation with their step parents. So it
22:29
Speaker 1: is really nice. to see this positive step-parent story play
22:33
Speaker 1: out online. I also think it's clear that Matt and
22:35
Speaker 1: Annalise are doing a fantastic job at ensuring that there
22:38
Speaker 1: are boundaries in place and that she has this stable
22:41
Speaker 1: environment when she's at their house because it would be
22:43
Speaker 1: really tough going from house to house and also for
22:46
Speaker 1: the child having to navigate the different rules and the
22:49
Speaker 1: different styles of parenting. There's always been a bit of
22:53
Speaker 1: intrigue of how often Tammy looks after Posey compared to Matt.
22:56
Speaker 1: I mean, people are nosy.
22:58
Speaker 3: They kind of want to know what's going on there.
23:01
Speaker 1: Now, Annalise didn't say how many days she and Matt
23:03
Speaker 1: look after Posey, but she said that they have set days.
23:06
Speaker 3: So they take.
23:07
Speaker 1: Her to swimming and dancing during the week, and then
23:09
Speaker 1: they alternate on the weekends, depending who has what on.
23:13
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure if she was trying to have a
23:16
Speaker 1: subtle dig at Tammy because She said, Poe's mum obviously
23:19
Speaker 1: travels a lot for work, so we have her whenever
23:21
Speaker 1: she goes away too. So it tends to be more
23:24
Speaker 1: than the set days quite regularly, which is fine with us. Well,
23:27
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that is a little bit of a dig
23:29
Speaker 1: considering that the relationship has been a little bit turbulent
23:32
Speaker 1: between them. I mean, as much as Matt and Annalise
23:36
Speaker 1: probably love looking after Posey, it would be hard being
23:39
Speaker 1: that sort of default family, like, oh, I'm just going
23:42
Speaker 1: on a trip, so you have.
23:43
Speaker 3: To look after her kind of thing.
23:44
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting that Annalise never referred to
23:47
Speaker 1: Tammy by name. She only called her Poe's mum. It
23:51
Speaker 1: kind of reiterates that there's not much of a friendship there.
23:53
Speaker 1: I think it would be more of a case of
23:54
Speaker 1: Annalise not wanting to name drop Tammy because over the
23:57
Speaker 1: last six months or so, we know that anything Tammy
24:00
Speaker 1: Hembrough does makes headlines. So if she was to start saying, oh,
24:03
Speaker 1: this is my co-parenting relationship with Tammy Hembrough, then the
24:06
Speaker 1: Daily Mail would write an article about it and probably
24:08
Speaker 1: twist what she was saying. It was also quite interesting
24:10
Speaker 1: because Annalise was asked if she and Matt would like
24:13
Speaker 1: to have more babies and she opened up saying that
24:17
Speaker 1: she's quite torn whilst Matt is a flat no. I
24:21
Speaker 1: really don't think that you should ever ask any parent
24:24
Speaker 1: who has a child under one if they're considering having
24:26
Speaker 1: more because you are just so in the thick of
24:29
Speaker 1: things that it's really hard to answer that question. I
24:31
Speaker 1: think you need the time and perspective once the sleep
24:34
Speaker 1: deprivation has lifted to be able to work out if
24:37
Speaker 1: you want a second child. Yeah. It's funny because you
24:39
Speaker 1: and Amy keep saying that you're one and done, but
24:41
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't think you can even answer that
24:43
Speaker 1: at the moment because, you know, both of your babies
24:45
Speaker 1: are under one.
24:46
Speaker 7: Yeah.
24:46
Speaker 1: Well, for Annalise, she said that she always wanted two,
24:50
Speaker 1: but Matt already has two of his own. And she
24:54
Speaker 1: admitted that she didn't realize how hard it was going
24:56
Speaker 1: to be having both Posey and Parker with her parents
24:59
Speaker 1: living interstate. So she hasn't really had much of that
25:01
Speaker 1: family support at home. She also said that the split
25:05
Speaker 1: family dynamic would make it easier for her and Matt
25:07
Speaker 1: to just stick with Posey and Parker because she said,
25:10
Speaker 1: you've got one boy, one girl, you've got different houses
25:13
Speaker 1: already going on, different rules that's coming back and forth.
25:16
Speaker 1: And that she thinks it would be a lot easier
25:17
Speaker 1: to navigate that with just one boy and one girl.
25:20
Speaker 1: I wonder if they have looked at Tammy's situation. So
25:23
Speaker 1: she of course has two older children with Reese Hawkins
25:26
Speaker 1: and then one with Matt Poole.
25:28
Speaker 3: And I wonder if.
25:29
Speaker 1: Posey feels a little bit sad or funny about the
25:33
Speaker 1: fact that she's the kid that has to go between houses.
25:35
Speaker 1: So then if they were to have a second kid,
25:38
Speaker 1: she would again be the odd sibling out that's having
25:40
Speaker 1: to go back and forth between the house.
25:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she might feel a bit excluded.
25:44
Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
25:45
Speaker 5: Can you take a photo of me?
25:47
Speaker 6: And it's like people take the piss like, oh, yeah,
25:49
Speaker 6: of course you want a photo of yourself.
25:50
Speaker 5: You're an influencer. Like, oh, fuck me dead. And then
25:53
Speaker 5: I'm like, okay, cool.
25:54
Speaker 6: Like I would always be told get off your phone,
25:57
Speaker 6: too much time on your phone.
25:58
Speaker 5: I'm like I'm literally trying to hustle.
26:02
Speaker 6: Like content creation is filming yourself from the moment you
26:07
Speaker 6: wake up to the moment you go to sleep.
26:11
Speaker 1: Sky Wheatley has revealed she's contemplating a career change. In
26:15
Speaker 1: a 13-minute Instagram story, the OG influencer complained that no
26:19
Speaker 1: one understands the pressure of constantly sharing your life online. Kate,
26:23
Speaker 1: you took one for the team and watched this video
26:25
Speaker 1: in its entirety.
26:27
Speaker 3: What happened?
26:27
Speaker 1: Well, the crux of it was that Sky is feeling
26:30
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure to present a perfect life on
26:33
Speaker 1: social media. So it's crazy to think that she's actually
26:36
Speaker 1: been sharing her life online now for 10 years, and
26:40
Speaker 1: it's clear that it has taken a toll on her
26:42
Speaker 1: mental health and body image. Now, I think a big
26:46
Speaker 1: reason why people follow Sky is because she posts with
26:49
Speaker 1: no filter. I mean, we've spoken a lot on the
26:51
Speaker 1: podcast about how she barely edits her YouTube videos and
26:55
Speaker 1: you really don't know what you're going to get when
26:58
Speaker 1: you tune into Sky's social media, which is a part
27:01
Speaker 1: of her appeal. In saying that though, that has gotten
27:04
Speaker 1: her in a lot of trouble, particularly in the early 2020s.
27:08
Speaker 1: And it seems like Sky's confidence to post whatever she
27:11
Speaker 1: likes has now gone. So in this video, she confessed
27:14
Speaker 1: that she's second guessing her content strategy. Skye said for
27:18
Speaker 1: most of her career, she's been criticized for sharing too much.
27:21
Speaker 1: But since taking a step back recently, she's been told
27:24
Speaker 1: she's not sharing enough. Yeah, it's interesting because her pulling
27:29
Speaker 1: away from social media has really coincided with her breakup
27:33
Speaker 1: from her baby daddy, Lockie War, who she recently just
27:37
Speaker 1: announced that she has reconciled with. Over the Christmas break,
27:41
Speaker 1: she took some time off and that was for the
27:43
Speaker 1: first time in 10 years. While the criticism I don't
27:47
Speaker 1: think is fair, I can see why people have been
27:49
Speaker 1: asking for an update though. They want to know what's
27:52
Speaker 1: gone on with Skye and Lockie and why they've gotten
27:54
Speaker 1: back together.
27:55
Speaker 4: Yeah.
27:56
Speaker 1: And in terms of Skye oversharing online, reading between the lines,
28:00
Speaker 1: it sounds like it was her friends and family telling
28:02
Speaker 1: her that. So she said that she was concerned people
28:05
Speaker 1: in her life would take what she was saying the
28:08
Speaker 1: wrong way. And it was interesting because at one point
28:10
Speaker 1: she referenced the OG days with Shani and Michael because
28:13
Speaker 1: she was a part of that big friendship group. And
28:16
Speaker 1: she said something about how she was known back then
28:19
Speaker 1: as the girl who always had her camera out. And
28:21
Speaker 1: it sounds like she's got a bit of a hang.
28:23
Speaker 3: Up about that.
28:24
Speaker 1: And when you watch those vlogs, it always felt like
28:27
Speaker 1: she was kind of on the outer a bit. I
28:28
Speaker 1: wonder if she got paid out for always having a
28:30
Speaker 1: camera out and trying to shoot content with them. Or
28:33
Speaker 1: I wonder if she was accused of trying to clout
28:35
Speaker 1: chase off them as well. I know she had a
28:37
Speaker 1: profile from being on Big Brother, but at the time, Sharni,
28:41
Speaker 1: Michael and their little group were huge.
28:44
Speaker 4: Yeah.
28:44
Speaker 1: And I think more recently, the oversharing comment is probably
28:47
Speaker 1: coming from Lockie because he probably wasn't happy about everything
28:50
Speaker 1: that got publicly shared about their breakup. But it also
28:53
Speaker 1: seems like he got a bit tired of being a
28:55
Speaker 1: boyfriend of Instagram. So Skye spoke about how she stopped
28:58
Speaker 1: asking Lockie to take pictures of her when they went
29:01
Speaker 1: out to dinner together because she explained that he just
29:04
Speaker 1: wanted time off his phone and she felt like she
29:05
Speaker 1: was being annoying. But I'm guessing that was probably a
29:08
Speaker 1: trigger to their arguments. Side note, isn't it so annoying
29:11
Speaker 1: when you have made a big effort to look nice
29:13
Speaker 1: and you do forget to take a photo or you
29:16
Speaker 1: don't want to ask, oh, could you get a photo
29:19
Speaker 1: of me? Particularly if you are in this type of
29:21
Speaker 1: job like Sky is where you have to keep posting
29:24
Speaker 1: about your life. And she obviously puts in a lot
29:26
Speaker 1: of effort with her appearance and to be wearing cool
29:28
Speaker 1: outfits and amazing hair and makeup. Well, she said it's
29:31
Speaker 1: hard when you're trying to hustle and get content, but
29:34
Speaker 1: no one else gets it. I do think it's important
29:36
Speaker 1: to preface during this conversation, Sky is... usual influencer fashion
29:42
Speaker 1: put out a lot of disclaimers so she said that
29:44
Speaker 1: she's grateful for the lifestyle influencing provides her she even
29:48
Speaker 1: went as far as to say this.
29:51
Speaker 4: I'm actually exhausted i know this is so lame like
29:55
Speaker 4: full white privilege bitch in her fucking car.
29:58
Speaker 5: I'm I'm very grateful.
30:01
Speaker 6: Don't get me wrong, but I feel like no one
30:04
Speaker 6: talks about, I don't.
30:06
Speaker 2: Know if it's just me, but I feel immense pressure
30:11
Speaker 2: to be perfect and I'm fucking over it.
30:15
Speaker 5: I just feel immense pressure.
30:18
Speaker 1: Look, I know that there will be a lot of
30:19
Speaker 1: people listening, screaming at their phones, being like, shut up, Sky.
30:22
Speaker 3: That's just ridiculous. Your job is easy.
30:25
Speaker 1: And while I do agree that it is easy compared
30:28
Speaker 1: to a lot of jobs out there and it has
30:31
Speaker 1: a lot of perks, you can't deny that there is
30:34
Speaker 1: a clear toll that this sort of job takes on
30:37
Speaker 1: influences mental health and the constant 24-7 nature of it,
30:40
Speaker 1: like replying to negative comments.
30:42
Speaker 4: Yeah.
30:42
Speaker 1: I mean, this video was hard to watch. Skye was
30:44
Speaker 1: literally beside herself in it and she had to stop
30:47
Speaker 1: the camera several times because she was sobbing so much.
30:51
Speaker 1: And she ended up saying that she's been feeling really
30:53
Speaker 1: stuck and has so much going on in her head,
30:55
Speaker 1: she then said this.
30:57
Speaker 5: I think I'd rather be a fucking tradie at this point.
31:00
Speaker 6: I can get up, put my fucking muddy boots on,
31:03
Speaker 6: go to work, sand a wall, bust my ass, come home,
31:07
Speaker 6: not even look at my phone, eat a good meal,
31:10
Speaker 6: not worry about body image, what I fucking look like,
31:14
Speaker 6: what I've got to post. I don't know, I'm being
31:18
Speaker 6: really negative. I'm just having a mad life, like middle...
31:22
Speaker 6: this is a midlife crisis. This is a full blown
31:25
Speaker 6: midlife crisis. Like I get that everyone's struggling financially.
31:30
Speaker 1: It's really sad because Sky has opened up about having
31:34
Speaker 1: body dysmorphia and the job of an influencer is probably
31:38
Speaker 1: the worst job you can have if you have this
31:40
Speaker 1: condition because you're constantly looking at photos of yourself.
31:43
Speaker 3: You're constantly having to film yourself.
31:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tough because if Sky was one of your
31:46
Speaker 1: friends and she had nearly any other job but being
31:49
Speaker 1: an influencer, you'd just say, well, it's time for a change. However,
31:53
Speaker 1: it's not really possible when you are an influencer, particularly
31:56
Speaker 1: of her caliber, like she is an OG influencer. She's
31:58
Speaker 1: been doing it for 10 years. And we're at this
32:01
Speaker 1: stage now where people like Sky, a lot of the
32:04
Speaker 1: OG influencers are entering their late twenties and early thirties,
32:07
Speaker 1: and they've been sharing their life for so long now
32:10
Speaker 1: online that they're over it. You know, it's just not
32:13
Speaker 1: fun anymore. However, because they haven't had a job outside
32:16
Speaker 1: of influencing, many of them just don't have qualifications or
32:19
Speaker 1: skills to actually get jobs outside of that. I mean,
32:22
Speaker 1: A couple of days later, Sky was complaining about how
32:24
Speaker 1: fake Instagram was. And she said that she is seriously
32:27
Speaker 1: considering becoming a beauty injector, but doesn't know if she
32:30
Speaker 1: could do a registered nursing course because she just doesn't
32:33
Speaker 1: have the attention span for it. I think for a
32:35
Speaker 1: lot of influencers, not all influencers, but for a lot
32:38
Speaker 1: of them, if they then did step into a nine
32:40
Speaker 1: to five job, it would give them the perspective to realize.
32:44
Speaker 3: How good they had it.
32:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, they almost need that clarity to say, oh, actually,
32:50
Speaker 1: I have a lot of flexibility. I mean, it's like anything.
32:53
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, now being a mother, I look
32:55
Speaker 1: back at my life before and I was like, oh,
32:57
Speaker 1: my job was so easy in comparison to now having
33:01
Speaker 1: to do my job and also parent full time.
33:03
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is the rose.
33:04
Speaker 1: Colored glasses as well, because you kind of only look
33:07
Speaker 1: back and see the highlights, not the other shit that
33:09
Speaker 1: you're going through. It's funny, though, because I have noticed
33:12
Speaker 1: this trend of influencers going offline and being way happier.
33:15
Speaker 1: And a lot of them are now talking about that
33:18
Speaker 1: brick app, which I really want to get. It's basically
33:21
Speaker 1: this thing where you can physically block your phone from
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Speaker 1: whichever apps you want to be blocked from. So most
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Speaker 1: people would block social media apps. And then in order
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Speaker 1: to get back onto those apps, you have to go
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Speaker 1: and unbrick it.
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Speaker 3: So it sort of puts that barrier up.
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Speaker 1: So if you're sitting on the couch, you actually have
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Speaker 1: to physically get up and say you put the device
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Speaker 1: on your fridge. You've got to go tap the fridge
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Speaker 1: to unlock your phone. I do find it ironic that
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Speaker 1: influencers are promoting the brick only because they rely on
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Speaker 1: people being engaged with their social media posts. So If
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Speaker 1: all of your followers start breaking their phone and suddenly
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Speaker 1: they're not seeing your posts anymore, your job becomes kind
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Speaker 1: of redundant. But it's more about putting boundaries in and
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Speaker 1: being like, okay, well, I'm going to stop mindless scrolling
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Speaker 1: and I'm going to have my social media time that
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Speaker 1: I actually enjoy maybe after my dinner when I sit
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Speaker 1: down on the couch and relax. Like I think that
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Speaker 1: is actually really positive. That's what I want to do
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Speaker 1: because sometimes I find myself just picking up my phone.
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Speaker 3: I'm like, what am I even doing? I'm not even
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Speaker 3: interested in looking at anything. It's like, it's just a habit.
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Speaker 3: It is a habit.
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Speaker 1: And I mean, it's ironic that I saw this on TikTok,
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Speaker 1: but a marketer was saying that There is currently a
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Speaker 1: decline in how much time people are spending online. And essentially,
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Speaker 1: it's not going to be cool to be online chronically
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Speaker 1: like we are. Time offline is going to be seen
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Speaker 1: as this luxury commodity. And it's all to do with
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Speaker 1: the fact that the online world is just so saturated now.
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Speaker 1: It was interesting because he said since COVID, the number
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Speaker 1: of influencers has multiplied by eight and it's just not sustainable.
34:44
Speaker 1: And we don't really care about these people anymore. Now,
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Speaker 1: getting back to Sky, the timing of her crash out
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Speaker 1: in the car was quite interesting because it coincided with
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Speaker 1: the birth of her niece. In fact, Sky filmed the
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Speaker 1: video after she visited her sister Kayla in hospital. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and off the back of this video, Sky has been
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Speaker 1: accused of spoiling her sister's baby news. It's believed she
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Speaker 1: shared the news of the baby before Kayla as well
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Speaker 1: as the name of So for those interested, the baby's
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Speaker 1: name is Sailor Rose and Sky revealed that Sailor would
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Speaker 1: have been the name she chose if her sons were girls.
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Speaker 1: I saw Amber from Influencer Update speaking about this in
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Speaker 1: her Friday Night Live and someone wrote in saying that
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Speaker 1: Sky's sister Kayla actually went live on TikTok during the labor.
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Speaker 1: So I think that she was spilling a lot of
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Speaker 1: the details on her own TikTok live. She must have
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Speaker 1: quite a following on there.
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Speaker 3: So I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I think Sky must've thought, oh, well that information's already
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Speaker 1: out there. In saying that though, I wouldn't be thrilled
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Speaker 1: if you had this massive following and you went and
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Speaker 1: spoiled my baby news before I even got a chance
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Speaker 1: to post it officially. Like there's just this unsaid thing
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Speaker 1: that you wait until, like it's like a wedding. You
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Speaker 1: don't post before the bride. With the birth of a child,
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Speaker 1: you don't post before the parents. Just to wrap things up,
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Speaker 1: Sky has returned to social media and she is posting
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Speaker 1: quite regularly now. She did confirmed that she might go
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Speaker 1: quite rogue this year, which, I mean, I think she
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Speaker 1: goes rogue every year. I was quite relieved when I
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Speaker 1: saw her stories on Saturday night because originally when I
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Speaker 1: saw the crash ad, I was like, oh, God, is
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Speaker 1: this it for Sky on social media? But she was
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Speaker 1: back to her best. She was sitting in bed talking
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Speaker 1: to the camera very freely. She actually hilariously dropped the tea, apparently,
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Speaker 1: on why she and Lockie broke up.
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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.
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Speaker 5: See it again in the night. When this man sneezes.
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Speaker 7: That's why we broke up if you want to know
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Speaker 7: the tea that's why like.
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Speaker 6: It's it's the sneezing i was like look buddy i
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Speaker 6: actually just can't anymore the farting and the sneezing.
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Speaker 1: Now obviously she's taking the piss out of it but
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Speaker 1: i think anyone that is married or in a long-term
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Speaker 1: relationship with a male can understand how annoying their sneezing
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Speaker 1: is why is it.
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Speaker 3: So loud My partner doesn't really sneeze loudly. Really? I
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Speaker 3: thought it was just a thing, but not sneezing.
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Speaker 1: Well, she did say that the farting was also annoying,
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Speaker 1: but I thought it was this thing that all men
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Speaker 1: sneeze really loudly. I've seen it on TikTok. And it's like,
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Speaker 1: it's funny because our dog, Sunny, you could tell her
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Speaker 1: to get out of the room. You can tell her
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Speaker 1: to do anything and she won't do it. But as
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Speaker 1: soon as Rhys sneezes, she bolts.
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Speaker 3: Out of the room. Like she's so frightened of it.
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Speaker 3: I can sneeze.
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Speaker 1: She doesn't care at all. But there is something about
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Speaker 1: the tone of his sneeze and other men's sneezes that
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Speaker 1: she doesn't like. Well, on that note, I think that
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Speaker 1: is all we have time for today. Thank you so
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