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#2528 - Cassie Coppersmith · The Joe Rogan Experience

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  Speaker 1: Great, how are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: Very nice to meet you.
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  Speaker 1: Nice to meet you.
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  Speaker 2: I've enjoyed your content online.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: The first I got first introduced to you by a
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  Speaker 2: video you did with is Channel's Megalithic Marvels. Yes. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and it was about ancient Chinese artifacts that don't make
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  Speaker 2: any sense. Yes, And it was so fascinating. The moment
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  Speaker 2: I thought it, I reached out to my guy. I
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  Speaker 2: was like, I got to talk to her because this
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  Speaker 2: is crazy. So please explain to people what these artifacts
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  Speaker 2: are and what's so bizarre about them.
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  Speaker 1: I first saw these artifacts in the British Museum, so
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  Speaker 1: they have an entire whole wall full of them, and
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  Speaker 1: they're they're made of nephrite jade, which is an extremely
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  Speaker 1: hard stone, and they just look they look machined, they
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  Speaker 1: look way too precise for the tools that they say
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  Speaker 1: built them. So I started doing some research. I haven't
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  Speaker 1: been to the site in China. It was built by
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  Speaker 1: the Langzhu culture, so archaeologists say. But it's a two
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  Speaker 1: different kinds of artifacts that are really famous. One is
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  Speaker 1: called a sung tube, which is a tall tube that's
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  Speaker 1: circular in the middle and square on the outside and
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  Speaker 1: extremely precise geometry. The other one of these big round
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  Speaker 1: b discs that almost look like a giant flat donut
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  Speaker 1: that are perfectly flat on top. You know, there's the
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  Speaker 1: precision versions of these, just like you see all over
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  Speaker 1: the world, and there are versions that are much cruder.
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  Speaker 1: So it almost seems like the civilization had this. My
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  Speaker 1: theory is that these were not unlike the hardstone bases
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  Speaker 1: in Egypt. So it was something that this culture either
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  Speaker 1: was gifted or found and it turned into a very
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  Speaker 1: cherished object like a grave good for them. So you
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  Speaker 1: find these tombs in Langzhou, China that have literally thousands
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  Speaker 1: of these jade artifacts in them, and it's not unlike
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  Speaker 1: the hardstone bases that you see in Egypt where you
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  Speaker 1: find those in the grapes as well.
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  Speaker 2: So what's the timeline where these pieces are attributed to?
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  Speaker 1: So these are really old. I mean, the earthworks and
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  Speaker 1: the the community around the Liangzhu culture is securely dated
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  Speaker 1: by archaeologists to like thirty four hundred BC. And then
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  Speaker 1: you know, just so it's about the same actually as
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  Speaker 1: the graves that were in Egypt with the hardstone bases.
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  Speaker 1: So it's very very old.
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  Speaker 2: And at the time of this culture, what were their
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  Speaker 2: tools like do we know?
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  Speaker 1: Well, the archaeologists say that it were that it was
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  Speaker 1: made with strings, So they would take strings with sand
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  Speaker 1: or some sort of an abrasive and they would cut
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  Speaker 1: the jade that way, and then they would they would
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  Speaker 1: use copper tools, stone hammers, those kinds of things to
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  Speaker 1: shape it.
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  Speaker 2: So the giant smile on your face, the.
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  Speaker 1: Explanation doesn't make a lot of sense. And even you know,
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  Speaker 1: the hole down the middle of the B disc is
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  Speaker 1: a perfect I mean you can see the drill marks
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  Speaker 1: on the inside of the B disc.
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  Speaker 2: We do have some images of these things.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Jamie, I have a China folder.
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  Speaker 2: Because the images on and by the way, that channel
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  Speaker 2: megalithic marvels. Derek's channel excellent really fun so great, great stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Derek is the one that got me into all this.
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  Speaker 2: Shout out to Derek. So this is how do you
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  Speaker 2: say it? How do you pronounce that B dis B
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  Speaker 2: disc by disc? And how big is this?
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  Speaker 1: So that thing's about nine inches across, perfect perfectly circular,
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  Speaker 1: perfectly flat surface on the.
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  Speaker 2: Top, like measured to what tolerance?
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  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know the answer to that, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that there have been a lot of
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  Speaker 1: deep scientific studies on the precision of these. Right, the
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  Speaker 1: archaeologists assume that this culture made them with bamboos, you know,
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  Speaker 1: bamboo and strings. Okay, So yeah, there that picture, Jamie.
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  Speaker 1: You can see the inside of the actual artifact in
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  Speaker 1: the bottom right that's drilled. Yeah, right, and the one
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  Speaker 1: on the left is an experiment. These archaeologists ran with
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  Speaker 1: a bamboo core down the middle of the jade and
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  Speaker 1: you can just you can see the difference between the two.
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  Speaker 2: How far did they get down with the bamboo express
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  Speaker 2: all the way through? They got all the way through.
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  Speaker 2: How long did that take?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to that. There was an
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  Speaker 1: archaeologist that did an experiment in the nineteen thirties and
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  Speaker 1: they used these strings with the abrasives to cut off
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  Speaker 1: a piece of jade that was the size of a basketball,
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  Speaker 1: and it took them a week to cut the cut
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  Speaker 1: the string all the way through that piece of jade.
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  Speaker 2: Hmmm. So the difference in the people that are listening,
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  Speaker 2: So there's the bamboo experiment where they drilled into something
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  Speaker 2: with a bamboo and cord and some what else was
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  Speaker 2: did they use to like sand or something?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, abrasives some sort, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And so the difference is if you look at the
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  Speaker 2: lines as it's drilling down, they're thick and they don't
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  Speaker 2: look the same if you look at the ones in
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  Speaker 2: the actual artifact, they're extremely tight. They're they're way smaller,
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  Speaker 2: and they're they're tighter to each other. And it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: make sense like you look at that like that looks
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  Speaker 2: like a machine.
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  Speaker 1: It does, And in this specific instance, it looks to
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  Speaker 1: me like the drill came from both directions, like they
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  Speaker 1: flipped it over and drilled from the top and then
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  Speaker 1: flipped it over again and drilled from the bottom, and
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  Speaker 1: that's where it met in the middle.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. So when what is like, what's out of all
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  Speaker 2: these different artifacts, what's the most puzzling one to you?
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  Speaker 1: The sung tube, which is the one on the left
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  Speaker 1: track yep, so that you know that is it's larger
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  Speaker 1: on top, smaller on the bottom, perfectly ninety degree corners.
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  Speaker 1: It's got a round tube in the middle. But the
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  Speaker 1: artifact in general is square, So it's just a very
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  Speaker 1: complex shape to create. With that level of precision, and
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  Speaker 1: nephrite jade is a very very hard stone, so it
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  Speaker 1: would have taken You know, this is a people in
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  Speaker 1: MySpace talk about the most scale of hardness, just as
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  Speaker 1: a way of saying diamonds are a ten. You know,
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  Speaker 1: different different stone levels the the hardstone discs like Di
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  Speaker 1: write that would be a six or seven. This is
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  Speaker 1: the same. It's it's that hard.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, And so is the idea. Well, I'm just assuming
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  Speaker 2: the idea is that there was a more sophisticated culture
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  Speaker 2: that existed pre dating that, and these are leftover artifacts.
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  Speaker 1: It is only my opinion that that's the case. I
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  Speaker 1: haven't seen a lot of people talk about these artifacts
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  Speaker 1: at all, Jamie. If you go back to the picture
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  Speaker 1: you had just flashed on the screen, the reason I've
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  Speaker 1: developed this theory. So this is an image on the
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  Speaker 1: side of the largest sung tube. It's called the King
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  Speaker 1: of Jade's Song. It's a fifteen pound artifact that was
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  Speaker 1: found and you can see the raised stone, so it's
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  Speaker 1: the high relief carvings that were later etched over. That
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  Speaker 1: etching is has become very famous. If you look at
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  Speaker 1: photos of the museum in liang Zhu, this image is everywhere,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that this was an image that was
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  Speaker 1: used by the Liangzhu tribe as like the image of
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  Speaker 1: the king basically, so, but I do believe that it
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  Speaker 1: was scratched over the top of an original, very very
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  Speaker 1: interesting high relief carving that you see in a lot
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  Speaker 1: of other artifacts. So I think that he basically found this.
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  Speaker 1: It looks it's something that they maybe could not recreate,
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  Speaker 1: and then they kind of stamped their kingly symbol over
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  Speaker 1: the top of it.
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  Speaker 2: So this is it's common in Egypt as well, particularly
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  Speaker 2: this theory among alternative historians, because you look at the
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  Speaker 2: complexity of some of the sarcophaguses and some of the
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  Speaker 2: different things, and then you see the writing on the outside,
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  Speaker 2: which looks like crude or the writing is not as precise,
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  Speaker 2: the cutting is not as precise. There's a lot like
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  Speaker 2: chips to it. It doesn't look like they use the
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  Speaker 2: same materials or the same utensils or tools.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, the question is if you had
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  Speaker 1: the ability, there's the King of Jade Sung, So if
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  Speaker 1: you had the ability to make an artifact in that
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  Speaker 1: kind of a shape, why would you not have also
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  Speaker 1: created the scratching over the top in that high quality version.
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  Speaker 1: So why would you create the artifact like that and
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  Speaker 1: then just scratch over the top of it? Right, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't make sense.
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  Speaker 2: It's there's always it's always been the case that history
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  Speaker 2: shows that people who are controlling a region will take
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  Speaker 2: credit for everything. They'll take credit for all the ancient
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  Speaker 2: stuff too. They'll put their name on it. They own everything. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and that's famous with pharaohs. They did it
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  Speaker 2: with everything, and this is documented. We know that they
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  Speaker 2: wrote their name on things that they didn't create.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Ramsey's the second was King Selfie. You know, he
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  Speaker 1: put his cartoosh on everything.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, which is I mean, it sounds like what a
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  Speaker 2: dictator does. It sounds like what a pharaoh would do. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it doesn't mean that they made it. And
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  Speaker 2: for us to just assume that they did, knowing that
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  Speaker 2: people in great power behave that way, it is kind
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  Speaker 2: of kind of crazy. That's our map of history. So
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  Speaker 2: how did you get down this road where you started
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  Speaker 2: looking at these objects and looking at the convention historical
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  Speaker 2: timeline saying something's wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Here specific to the Chinese artifacts?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Or were you already on that path when you
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  Speaker 2: found the Chinese artifacts.
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  Speaker 1: I've been on this path for a while and you
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  Speaker 1: know the name of my channel is Secrets and Stone.
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  Speaker 1: And the reason I named it that is because I
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  Speaker 1: believe that the stones speak to you. They will show
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  Speaker 1: you exactly what the story is.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So with these artifacts, just like the hardstone debt or
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  Speaker 1: hard stone bases, it just is out of place. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't make any sense. And especially in the British Museum,
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  Speaker 1: when you look at these with your own eyes and
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  Speaker 1: then you read the story of how they believe that
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  Speaker 1: they were made, you know, it's it just doesn't it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't add up. And so all you have to do,
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  Speaker 1: you know, in any of these places is dig one
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  Speaker 1: or two levels down and you start to start to
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  Speaker 1: see a lot of inconsistencies.
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  Speaker 2: One or two levels, so meaning that the older stuff
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  Speaker 2: is the more complex.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, or with the way that the archaelogists have interpreted
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  Speaker 1: a lot of these sites, there's a whole lot of
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  Speaker 1: assumptions that are made. You know, there's there's carbon dating
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  Speaker 1: that only goes part way down. You know, they'll dig
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  Speaker 1: part way down, they'll date it. It matches their story,
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  Speaker 1: and they write the report. They'll take inscriptions, you know,
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  Speaker 1: especially in Cambodia places like that, where a king has
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  Speaker 1: written an inscription and they'll say, yep, well that king
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  Speaker 1: wrote on this, so this must have been made at
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  Speaker 1: this time and there's really no no further investigation. So
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  Speaker 1: it's it's become a theme with my work where I'll
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  Speaker 1: go somewhere, specifically with the megalithic architecture, you can see
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  Speaker 1: exactly where the old architecture was built. Oftentimes it's the
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  Speaker 1: lowest level, and then you can see where other cultures
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  Speaker 1: have come later and built on top of it, and
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  Speaker 1: it just looks it looks like a just a copy
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  Speaker 1: of what's underneath. It's like they were really trying to
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  Speaker 1: make what they saw, but they just couldn't. And so
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  Speaker 1: once you've kind of trained your eye for that, you
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  Speaker 1: go anywhere in the world and you see it.
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  Speaker 2: How did you start looking at this stuff?
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  Speaker 1: I went to well, I went to Egypt four years
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  Speaker 1: ago and watched Ben van kirk Quick's videos, you know Ben,
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  Speaker 1: so I watched a couple of his videos on the
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  Speaker 1: way to Egypt. That was my first kind of introduction
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  Speaker 1: to this, and then it just became a bit of
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  Speaker 1: an obsession for me. I like to go to the
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  Speaker 1: sites around the world that other people don't really go to,
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  Speaker 1: So you know, I think Egypt and Peru and Turkey.
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  Speaker 1: That's it's all in good hands, right, Ben's watching over Egypt.
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  Speaker 1: We've got Brian Forrester down in Peru doing amazing work.
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  Speaker 1: The sites I go to are the sites that nobody
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  Speaker 1: else really visits. So I just got back from India
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  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. I spent a lot of
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  Speaker 1: time in Cambodia, I went to Thailand, and these are
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  Speaker 1: the sites that I think, if you're trying to make
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  Speaker 1: a case, or at least a strong enough case that
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  Speaker 1: people will consider right that there may be a different
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  Speaker 1: history than what we're being told, I think you have
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  Speaker 1: to have more than three examples. So if you can
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  Speaker 1: start to do a lot of research on these sites
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  Speaker 1: all around the world, you can have thousands of examples
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  Speaker 1: of nubs, for example, or megolithic architecture that looks very similar,
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  Speaker 1: these walls that look very similar all over the world,
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  Speaker 1: and it just makes in my mind, it makes a
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  Speaker 1: much stronger case for it than just continuing to look
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  Speaker 1: at the same sites over and over again.
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  Speaker 2: It seems to me so much more likely that the
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  Speaker 2: timeline is incorrect, then the historians are right and everyone
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  Speaker 2: else is just a conspiracy theorist weirdo. The more you
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  Speaker 2: look at it, the more questions I have. Like that
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  Speaker 2: kaylassa temple in India. Yeah, we've gone over that a
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  Speaker 2: few times. But Jamie pointed out something that they brought
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  Speaker 2: in about. Was it like an army to try to
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  Speaker 2: destroy it and they barely put a dent in the
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  Speaker 2: damn thing. Yeah, and they stayed for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: They tried to smash it up and they couldn't do
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  Speaker 2: shit to it. Yeah, And then you go, okay, well
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  Speaker 2: how did they make this? What did they? And I
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  Speaker 2: saw a really wild YouTube video the other day where
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  Speaker 2: this guy was proposing that they used lasers and that
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  Speaker 2: it was all laser carved, and that they had some
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  Speaker 2: sort of like super sophisticated laser setup back then that's
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  Speaker 2: why you're not finding all the stone.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's wait a minute, Look, I think
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  Speaker 1: that's absolutely possible.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds possible, but also so insane that we're so
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  Speaker 2: wrong about the linear timeline of human history that they
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  Speaker 2: had fucking lasers in India, Like how many thousands of
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  Speaker 2: years ago that they were using to carve an entire, massive,
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  Speaker 2: perfect temple out of rock.
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  Speaker 1: You know. I was just down at the Hois Solid Temples,
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  Speaker 1: which are in southern India, and they have these lathe
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  Speaker 1: turned pillars. The pillars are feet across, they're huge, and
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  Speaker 1: you walk up to them and you look at them closely,
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  Speaker 1: and you can see the lathe marks on them, and
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  Speaker 1: archaeologists concede that they're lathe turned, but they don't concede
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  Speaker 1: that it's machined. So they basically say, well, maybe they
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  Speaker 1: were turned on a lathe, we'll give you that, but
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  Speaker 1: that was probably human powered or animal powered. Yes, these
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  Speaker 1: are God. These are the statue or the lathe turned
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  Speaker 1: pillars in southern India. I was just looking at these
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  Speaker 1: with my own eyes a couple of weeks ago. It's
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  Speaker 1: completely unexplainable. And to think of the size of the
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  Speaker 1: machine that would be required, say you turn that pillar sideways,
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  Speaker 1: you connect it to a machine on each side and
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  Speaker 1: you start lathing. Jamie, I have a folder in my India.
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  Speaker 2: Pictures that God, it's so pretty.
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  Speaker 1: That has lots of e So what you can see
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  Speaker 1: at sites like Hampy in India is you can see
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  Speaker 1: the evidence of lathing. So it almost looks like the
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  Speaker 1: setup that they would have used to carve these kinds
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  Speaker 1: of pillars. And it's just sitting in kind of far
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  Speaker 1: flung corners of these sites. Nobody addresses what they are
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  Speaker 1: and and so the evidence is everywhere of this. It's
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  Speaker 1: just not you know, written, it's written off. It's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: that must have been an animal powered lathe, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So I do think we have strong evidence for machining
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  Speaker 1: in ancient history. And in my mind, it doesn't have
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  Speaker 1: to be machines, you know, there there could have been
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  Speaker 1: other ways that they were doing this that we don't
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  Speaker 1: even recognize.
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  Speaker 2: So what is this that we're looking at?
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  Speaker 1: So this is in this is it the museum in
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  Speaker 1: Hampy in southern India. And that to me looks like
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  Speaker 1: the left So it looks like where a pillar might
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  Speaker 1: have been placed and the machine was spinning, you know,
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  Speaker 1: some sort of a lathing machine. So I think it's
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  Speaker 1: like the you know the other side of these pillars.
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  Speaker 2: Basically like the the end plates. Yeah, exactly right, okay,
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  Speaker 2: And so these pillars, how large are they? Can you, Jamie,
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  Speaker 2: could you go to that image in the lower right
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  Speaker 2: hand corner police. That one right there, God, I can't
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  Speaker 2: get over how pretty that is.
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  Speaker 1: They're so incredible in real life too.
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  Speaker 2: How tall are they?
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  Speaker 1: Way tall? I mean I my head would probably go
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  Speaker 1: halfway up that pillar. They're twice as tall as me.
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  Speaker 2: So immensely heavy. And what kind of stone is it
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  Speaker 2: carved out of?
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  Speaker 1: This is a chloritic shist, so it's a it's called soapstone.
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  Speaker 1: It's a pretty but there are laithe turned pillars that
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  Speaker 1: are also granite in southern India. It's a soapstone, so
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  Speaker 1: when it's quarried, it's a little bit softer and then
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  Speaker 1: it hardens once it's out of the quarry.
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  Speaker 2: Has anyone done an analysis of the geometry in these things?
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  Speaker 2: Like how precise it is and how like I'm looking
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  Speaker 2: at it? If you go to that the one next
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  Speaker 2: to a police that one, yeah, that one. When I'm
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  Speaker 2: looking at the precision of that and how many different
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  Speaker 2: pieces they are, I would love to know how uniform
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  Speaker 2: those are because it looks insane. That looks so beautiful
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  Speaker 2: we're looking at how do you say that word? Kopeshwar
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  Speaker 2: Corpeshwar madv is a high site Maha dev God that's
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: pretty it's incredible.
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  Speaker 1: And you know these sites have crazy energy too. You
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: walk into them and you can tell that they were
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: made with a lot of love. These these pillars, you know,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: you can't help but touch them.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: You're allowed to touch them.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, look at that, like.
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  Speaker 2: I would love to know what the precision of that is. Yeah,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: it's really imagine if it's insanely precise. And then you
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: have to explain that too, not just stone chisels and
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: tools and stuff, but when you.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Can see in the pillars, you can see where the
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: lathes started at the bottom, and you can see where
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: it stopped at the top. It's just running and you
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: know a lot of people are like, well, turn it sideways.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Is that some sort of a sound wave? Right? Is
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: it mimicking? Is it telling us something?
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  Speaker 1: I think so?
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  Speaker 2: Can I see that again, Jamie?
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just trying to find out your question.
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  Speaker 2: Of how precise they are? Oh, here it goes. The
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: pillars in how do you say it? Swarga Mandap of
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  Speaker 2: Copeshwar Temple are lathe turned with extremely uniform, circular and
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: polygonal profiles, showing high geometric precision and tight alignment, despite
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: being carved from stone without mortar Joints says.
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  Speaker 1: It resembles machine turned.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Work resembles. Yeah, that's cute. Isn't it more likely this
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: machine turned if it's exactly. Pillars are laid out with
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: consistent spacing in the circular hall so that the open
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: oculus in the ceiling remains perfectly centered, suggesting careful radial
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: planning and load distribution. The temple uses interlocking stone and
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: gravity rather than mortar, so the precise fit of the
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: pillars into bases and beams is critical to stability and
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: is cited as an example of advanced medieval Indian stone engineering.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: One thing that's interesting when you go to these temples
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: is you can see where they have moved these pillars
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: into the temples. So the core of most of these temples,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, is the original megalithic part of these temples,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: the oldest stuff. But you can see where these pillars
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: have been moved into new temples, and so you'll see
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: these crazy precise dark stones.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Because this is a rotating pillar.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: What I think it used to rotate, It does not anymore.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I actually saw that pillar.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: When did it stop?
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know, and maybe that's just a myth. I
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: have no idea. But you can see where they moved
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: these pillars from original temples or maybe who knows, maybe
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: they found a workshop somewhere with these and they put
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: them in the center of the newer temples. So it's
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: not precise at all, very crude stonework above and below them.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: And then they have this perfect lathe pillar right in
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: the middle.
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  Speaker 2: So what is the timeline that they attribute to the
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: construction of these Oh, you.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Know, twelve hundred to fifteen hundred eighty. And why did
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: they say that, Because the kings that ruled during that
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: time period wrote inscriptions on the pillars in a lot
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: of instances, on the sides of the temples, things like that. Yeah,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: it's it's all inscriptional evidence.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: I would need more evidence, you know.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Right, Well, what's really interesting. I've done a lot of Yeah,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: I've done a lot of research in Cambodia, and they
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: they date all of their all of their temples based
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: on inscriptions. And when you actually run these inscriptions through
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: AI and you translate them, they've all been translated from
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Sanskrit to French. I then translated it from French to English.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: And when you read what the kings actually wrote, very
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: seldom do they say I King so and so built this.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: What they say is I installed a lingham, I brought
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: a you know, I brought a statue to this temple.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: And so the archaeologists make a fairly big jump between
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: what the kings actually wrote and saying, well, this king
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: must have built so in a lot of instances, they're
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: actually putting words into into their mouths.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Wow. So what is your belief in terms of the
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: timeline and the construction of these things.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: I mean in the oldest instances it I personally believe
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: that it's pre flood, so you know, more than twelve
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: thousand years ago. I think there are some that are
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: probably older. Very you know, Peru is I just got
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: back from Peru a couple of months ago. That's fully unexplainable.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: You've talked about Peru on your show many times. Egypt
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: is incredibly ancient. I actually believe that India is one
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: of the most ancient places on Earth. And they were
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: they different civilizations building there. What they built suggests that
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: it probably was. Were they in contact with each other?
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: I believe they were. You know, there's enough similarities around
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: the world that it feels like there was a communication
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: network between them. But when you look at the actual
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: building styles between take those three examples, India, Egypt, and Peru,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: they're completely different.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Egypt is very just just blocks, very few decorations, especially
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: in places like the Oscerion. It doesn't it's just it
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: almost looks it's like clinical, you know. But then you're
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: in Peru and it's playful. They're these big, pillowy blocks.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: And then you go to India and there's carvings all
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: over everything, right, And so I do believe that there
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: are certain places in this world that are substantially older.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: And I believe that for thousands of years civilizations have
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: been they're attracted to these places, and they build on
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: top of them, and they settle there, and so you
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: just see generation after generation after generation of building on
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: top of them.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Well, it makes sense when you think about Kylosa, because
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: look how perfect it is now and this is thousands
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: of years after they attribute it to being built, or
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: at least a thousand years. Yeah, and it looks like
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: there's been zero erosion. Now at a few thousand years
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: to that, it's gonna look exactly the same. And if
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: you're just generation after generation, like not knowing who built it,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: and you get a version of you know, this king
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: said he did or this guy said he did, Like
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: how at a few thousand years and it's fucking guesswork.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: And to have archaeologists shift through dirt and find an
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: inscription somewhere and go, oh, we nailed it, Like God,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: that's such a disservice to what the complexity of the
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: mystery of what we're looking at is. Like just the
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Kylasso one is. I am obsessed with that place. I've
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: watched like four or five documentaries on it and see
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: and when we went over it on the podcast the
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: other day with the CEO of Perplexity, it's like, it's
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: fucking bananas. It's so crazy, how precise and one mistake
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: and you're fucked. But yet it's all geometrically aligned. There's
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: they have no idea what they did with all the stone?
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: That's the big question that seems so cool. They removed
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: an entire cliff side mountain and you know it, it was.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: The top down, Yeah, and put it where would you
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: do it at all?
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Good question?
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: That's so much rock, that's not a little bit of rock.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: You would think there'll be some laying around. Yeah, even
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: after thousands of years, you'd have like a pile somewhere,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Like fuck it, anybody wants some free stone, it's over there.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: No one's going to take all the stone. They have
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: fucking millions and millions of tons of stone, Like that's crazy.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Would you do with it? You know what?
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: I wonder? I wonder. I do feel for archaeologists, right,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I mean they go to a site and they're like, gosh,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: maybe this feels a little older. But the only evidence
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I have are pot shirts that I can date. I
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: can dig down, and I can find cultural layers of
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: cultures that, in my opinion, lived there afterwards. They're dating
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: that and they see inscriptions, and that's the evidence that
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: they have to make their case. But I do wonder
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: how many of them are looking at these sites and saying, yeah,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: this actually doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: A lot of the young ones. I've talked to him.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: I've talked to him. I think this is the hierarchical.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: The hierarchical with the word hierarchy, the structure of academics,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: and in terms of these guys that are teaching university
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: courses and giving out PhDs and writing books, and they
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: have a vast body of work that's all about the timeline,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: all about you know, what they know, and they are
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: the gatekeepers of information. And there's a lot of ego
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: involved with academics, I'm sure you know that. And they
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: get really shitty with each other and they're vicious. They're
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: vicious when they attack each other, even if they're wrong.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Like the whole Clovis first thing was the best example
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: that the gentleman who proposed this theory that there were
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: people here older than the Clovis people was destroyed by
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: his own peers, and it took years before it was
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: proven that he was correct. And not only was he correct,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: but he was correct by like over ten thousand years.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Like now they're pushing it past twenty two thousand years
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: ago because of the footprints they found in White Sands,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: New Mexican.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Right, the peopling of the America.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Yes, so humans have been here a long, long, long time,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: and this is just indicative of this pattern that happens
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: whenever anybody comes up with any sort of an alternative
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: theory that doesn't come from the gated halls of academia,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: they're just dismissed. But academics have only been around for
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: a few hundred years. Like, we have to stop and
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: think about how crazy it is that we've put the
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: power in these people that we know are not always accurate,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: nor are they compromised, and they have ego problems, and
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: they have this structure of the people at the top
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: that are giving out grants and giving out funding and
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: giving PhDs and reading people's dissertations. It's like it's very
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: social and it's very complex, and to deviate from the
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: narrative is devastating for your career. Like if they can
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: destroy the guy who proposed that Clovis first was incorrect.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: I think guy was an academic. He was established. Imagine
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: if you're a fucking PhD student and you're like, I
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: think you guys are wrong, Well, you're fucked forever.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: You know. I used to work in corporate America and
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: there were a lot of things that I thought that
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: I absolutely never said.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: So if you think about these young archaeologists, even if
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: they see something and they think, gosh, I wish that
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I could dive into that and really explore how old
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: this is, they're going to get shut down immediately, and
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: their self preservation mechanisms are going to kick in because
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: they've got a paycheck. You know, you have to sympathize
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: with the situation.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: That they're in. Oh I do, I completely do. We've
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: all worked for shitty bosses. It's a terrible position to
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: be in. Yeah, and especially if your shitty boss is
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: in charge of the distribution of information about the history
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: of the human rance. That is crazy. That is crazy
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: to get ego involved in that. I know because when
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: you see like the attacks on guys like Graham Hancock
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: and all these people that propose that this data that
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: we should look at, that's just that, like there's a
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: bunch of data that confounds the timeline, like it fucks
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: it completely up. Yeah, when but go Beckley Teppe came
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: along and then everybody was like, Okay, we're in a
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: we have a problem. We have an eleven thousand plus
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: year old structure. For sure, it was purposely buried eleven
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: thousand plus years ago. So how old is it. It's
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: at least eleven thousand years old. That doesn't make any
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: sense because timeline of civilization it's supposed to be six
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: thousand years ago. So now we have immense stone structures
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: with three D carvings that are in concentric circles. That's
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: five thousand years older than that. Okay, these are huntering gatherers.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: They were just assholes that in their spare time from
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: killing antelopes, they decided they were going to build immense
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: structures on the top of a hill.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Well, and don't you find it interesting that the dating
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: of Go Beckley Teppe has not opened the door to
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: redating other sites around the world. So when you talk
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: about this stuff in Egypt, nobody's really open to saying,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: maybe this is ten thousand years old? Should we look again?
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: You know that story has been written, there's been a
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: period on it, and it's been put to bed.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Not only that, there's actual geological evidence. And this is
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: where Robert Schock came into play. You know, I have
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: had him on the podcast before, and I remember watching
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: that documentary on the Mysteries of the Sphinx, and he
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: proposed that there's water erosion on the outside of the
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: temple the Sphinx. And he he's taken photos of that
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: erosion and brought it to other geologists and said, what
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: do you think this is? And they said, well, that's
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: water erosion, and then he shows them where it came from.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: I don't want to have nothing to do with this.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is kidding, it's when crazy, which is crazy.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Imagine the timeline of human history is so controversial that
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: you're worried that it would ruin your career if you
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: spoke accurately about your field of expertise, which is erosion
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: and geology. Due to rainfall, thousands of years of rainfall,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: well thousands of years of rainfall means at the very
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: least the sphinx is nine years old, the very least,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: but that's probably way older than that because you have
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: to have thousands of years of rainfall from the time
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: that it was constructed constructed to make these kind of
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: deep fissures into this stone.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: And it was buried for much of its recent history,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: which means there was not erosion taking place the entire
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: time it was buried.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: The whole thing's nuts and the wind and sand erosion.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: That's an argument against that, right, because it was covered
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: in sand, and you know, if it was rain erosion
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: like they're proposing, it had to have been when there
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: was rainfall, significant rainfall in the Nile Valley and that's
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: way back nine thousand years ago, long time.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Ago, yep. And you know, I guess it just it
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: breaks my heart a little bit that this conversation gets
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: shut down because if you think about think about twenty
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: three and meters the number of people that have subscriptions
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: to websites like that because they are extremely interested in
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: where they came from, and it opens up their world
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: when they can see four generations back. It gives them,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: you know, people that belong to these subscription services will say,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: I finally have a sense of belonging. I kind of
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: feel like I know where I came from. We as
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: a humanity, imagine if we actually knew where we came from.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: I think we would feel a lot less lost.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's sad. I think it's funny. I
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: think it's just another example of just how funny people are,
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: how we're so weird, we're so full shit, and we're
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: just so filled with this desire to be correct and
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: to enforce our narrative that we do it even with
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: facts that are significantly important for the entire world. And
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: I think it's funny because it doesn't work, because it's
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: only opened the door to people like you, and people
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: like Derek and people like Graham Hancock and Ben Van
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Kirkwick and Jimmy Corsetti and all these people that Luke caverns.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: They just spend enormous amounts of time making this incredible content,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Like all the stuff that Luke has done in the Americas.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: In South America, good Lord, there's so many mysteries like
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: explain away soaks a juaman, explain away those stones. Help
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: me out, Help me out, help people with no steel
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: and no heavy machinery move these things into position. Move
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: these twenty foot tall immense stones that are cut like
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: jigsaw puzzles that looks like they were melted into place.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like a melted marshmallow is stacked on
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: top of a melted marshmallow.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: It's literally bananas.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: It makes crazy, no sense.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: And then you have the weirdness of these elongated heads
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: that they find down there, these skulls that are absolutely
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: real skulls. These are not hoaxes. They have a thirty
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: twenty to thirty percent larger brain capacity in the skull.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I have personally seen elongated skulls in four different countries, and.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: It's not the same as skulls that were manipulated to
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: be flattened. That's what's different. So what people think about this.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: There's a a very well known practice where they would
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: take boards and put them on children's heads to elongate
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: their heads. The question is why were they doing that
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: and were they trying to emulate something that existed, another
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: type of person that was here. Well, it seems like it,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: and it seems like these skulls that they find, particularly
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: in Peru, the bones are larger. It's a larger face,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: and they have a larger brain capacity, and they don't
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: have that sagital ridge sagual suture that's down the middle.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: So they're literally a different kind of skull. It's clearly
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: human or some form of human, but it has more
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: brain volume and it's built different than us. And everybody's like,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: I don't see anything. They're not like, hey, maybe there
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: was a completely different species of human that existed along
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: with just like Denisovans, just like Neanderthals, just like all
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: these new ones that they keep finding fairly recently, like
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: the one they found in China, the big headed man.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: What was it? What was that one called again, julienz
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Homo Julienne's this is like really recent, like a few
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: years ago they found this, Like, Okay, we don't have
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: the picture, guys, we just don't. We don't have the
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: full we don't have all the data. And when you
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: have these fucking big skulls and you're not even bringing
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: that up, it makes me think, like, are you afraid
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: to look at this, because then you have to admit
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: that you really didn't know this and you were walking
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: around saying you're an expert in the human timeline.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Imagine some of the capabilities of these people with that
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: much more brain volume. Could they speak telepathically? Could they
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: move stones with their minds with sound?
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: We don't know what they were able to do. If
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: you just unlock an additional ten percent of your brain
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: capacity Joe Rogan's brain capacity, think what think of all
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: of the connections you would make. Think about all of
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: the things you could do that you can't do now
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: if you lanned your brain volume by thirty percent exactly
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: like the.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Cooper movie, remember yes, yeah, and he kept the same
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: size head.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Or the movie Lucy was Scarlett Johansson. That's what just
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: unlocking her full brain and suddenly she was moving things
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: with her mind. Right, So were these people able to
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: do things that regular humans couldn't, And that's why they
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: were emulated throughout history with cradle headboarding. They were the elite.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: They were maybe building some of these structures. Who knows.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: And if you are, if you are just an average
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Joe in that community, you want to look like them, right,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: you all of us do.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: It, especially the elites of the time, especially the humans
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: that you know were the kings and the pharaohs and
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: all these different people they wanted to have those heads.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Yep, there were some really interesting.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: It sounds like we're crazy people, right. If I just
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: tuned into this, it'd be like, oh great. Another one
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: was retarded Joe Rogan shows where he's talking to crazy people.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: But then you see that Jamie pull up some of
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: the images of those skulls. I know, we've shown them
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: on the.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Jamie have a folder with skulls. I can show you
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: some really interesting ones from England that are on small bodies,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: so they almost look like fairies, and they have these
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: giant skulls on these very small bodies, and it does
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: make you think that probably had something to do with
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: the mythology of fairies in England. This was at Apebury,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: which is one of the big stone circles. When you
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: walk into the museum there there are these amazing anomalous
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: elongated skulls on these very tiny little bodies.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: The other interesting thing about elongated skulls children I don't
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: think so. No, there's a woman named Maria Whitley who
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: writes all about these skulls that she found that have
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: been found all over England. That's Egypt. Yeah, there it is. Yeah,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: so this is England. This is one of the skulls.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: But this skull is very small. But if you look
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: at the shape of it, you know their ears are
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: in a different spot. They have huge eye sockets. I
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: have another photo where it's there's one still attached to
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: a small bottom.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Oh look at the size of that head.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Isn't that interesting?
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Now, this one may have been a child. I don't
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: remember specifically which of these it.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Was a kid. That kid's gonna be a football player.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: He already has a helmet.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Kids a giant head. But it doesn't look right. It
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: doesn't look right like I have babies. They don't. They
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: don't have heads that big. That's crazy. Even when a
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: baby's got a big head when they're little and they're
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: they could barely hold their head up.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: It doesn't look little bibble heads.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Another really interesting so far.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but look how far it goes behind the spine,
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: and look how.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Flat it is at the bottom in the back. I mean,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: imagine holding that head up.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the other weird thing about these elongated skulls.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: The part of the skull where it connects to the
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: spine is in a different place.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, which makes sense otherwise, you know, yeah, I guess
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: you'd probably your head would fall backwards, like.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Look at these, Look at these that don't have that
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: sagital suture. That one that's closest to us, that is crazy.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So that one's in Peru. I saw that one
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: a couple months ago. It looks completely different than the
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: skull right behind it.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Right, it's like a different kind of person.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, interestingly, in a lot of.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: One on the side, and they don't have the one
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: down the middle.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's another one that's labeled Malta, and you can
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: see the view of it from the top and you
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: can see how it looks completely different than any of
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: the other. So here's an interesting thing that I'm not
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: sure you've talked much about, Joe brain surgery. The holes
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: in the back of these skulls, it's trepanation. So it
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: was a surgery that they that they see evidence of
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: in lots and lots of ancient skulls. And the question becomes,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: so if you don't have a sagital suture and your brain,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: you know, we have the our brain will fuse right
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: as we grow.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Sorry, but look at that what it looks like. It
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: looks like these drills. Yeah, doesn't and they just drill
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: a circle around that dude's head.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: In a lot of instances, these people survived these surgeries.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: The question becomes, why were they doing it?
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Well, look at that top one scoop out some brain,
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: bro that's crazy. Maybe they were trying to relieve pressure.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Well, if your brain doesn't have all of the sutures
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: that ours does and your brain is fusing, there are
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: some theories that suggest that these people were losing their
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: connection with consciousness. So they because their brains were so big,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: they you know, a lot of telepathy and things like that.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: So if you if you cut a hole in a
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: fused skull, you still have access, right, it allows your
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: allows you, I guess, more space in your skull to
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: access what you use to access.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: So it's like relieving pressure in some way. This is
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: the idea why they're doing this trepidation. Maybe you know,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: I think you had a woman who did trepanation to herself.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I've read about her. Yeah, she still
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: she did it.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: For doing lobotomy until pretty recently like.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: What this is? Yeah, right when we knew better? Is
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: she still alive? Jamie? I think she might have passed recently.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: And her motivation for that was it not for consciousness?
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she was out there. But isn't it interesting?
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Lovely lady, lovely lady, But she was out there. Yeah,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: that lady had been on some trips. She had been
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: to other dimensions many many, many many times.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Past year ago.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so's a sweet lady too. She was so kind.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: It makes the question what was the motivation for doing
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: that in these ancient.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: She described it in very glowing terms, the experience of
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: trepidation when she did. She did it to herself. So
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: there's a photo of her, isn't it Like? Is there
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: a video for doing it? I know there's photos of
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: the actual procedure for drilling a hole in her head.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Like yoo, it must be quite a sense of relief.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Though I don't care.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Your brain's no longer locked in your skull?
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, is that really what it is? I don't
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: want to find out, but I mean I know people
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: that have had to have brain surgery because they had
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: brain bleeding. Yeah, there it is. They just drilled the whole.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: It looks like they use a stick. What the hell
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: I think she did? What is she using?
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Is she doing it to herself.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's the only way if you really want to
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: achieve one with Chakras or some ship.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: You're probably not going to get a doctor to sign
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: up for that, Jamie.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Can you find there's some images of those elongated skulls.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: There's a few really spectacular ones that we pulled up
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: the other day, and one of them is like the
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: sagile suture is completely missing, and it's it's so big
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: and you're looking at it like, Okay, this is a
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: real skull in a museum, like, help me out, help
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: me out, anatomy experts, why does it why does it
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: not have the features of a normal human skull, and
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: why is it so big? Like this seems completely insane. Yeah,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: shut it, AI, that's a that's a bunch of bullshit.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Archaeologists got an AI and bad articles.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: When I saw that one with the little kid or
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: the small thing with the big back of the dome,
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: aren't there or could that be explained by just like
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: a random anomaly?
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah for sure, Like, yeah, it depends on how many
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: there are. But go to the images of those those skulls,
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: so we could see the crazy one.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: Why Google changed and there's no longer.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: They don't like you anymore. Like the website. They hate you.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: I noticed yesterday.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: You can't. Oh yeah, that is weird sabotage because they're
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: trying to get you to use ai'n Oh, that's so gross.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Just write images. Yeah see now, now they'll show you. Okay,
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: So it's the one on the far left, upper corner.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: It's right below it. Sorry, there you go. That's it.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: That's the one.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Look at the eyes.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the whole thing is nuts. That the fact that
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: that is a real skull. It should freak everyone out
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: that no one is that this isn't in the front
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: page of the New York Times, that this isn't some
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: thing that everyone's investigating, Like this is not a physical anomaly.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: This is a completely different skull that's not a regular
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: human skull at all. The capacity is so much larger.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: You cannot explain that by headboarding. You cannot explain the
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: size of the fucking eye sockets. It's crazy. You imagine
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: looking into someone who's that one lady that has crazy
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: big eyes. She's an actress, Do you know what I'm
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: talking about, Jamie. She's really pretty. She's got big, giant eyes.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: I've seen that too, but that's but they're not that big.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: The point is like those eyes would be fucking enormous.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Like if that person was in front of you and
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: they had skin on with those eye sockets and that head,
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: you'd be like, Yo, you know, I want you to
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: meet my friend Mike. They'd be like, what the fuck?
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: That is not what it looks like that that drawing.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: That drawing is way too normal. That head's way bigger
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: than that too, by the way.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: And the eyes are nothing, nothing like it.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: They're not even in the same place, Like those eyes
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: are in a different place like tho. Those eyes there
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: is eyes are in a nutty place.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: I mean that that image on the right, the woman,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: that could be what they looked like if they were
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: cradle headboard.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Yes, and her face looks flattened. Do like the whole
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: thing looks, which is such a gross thing that they
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: did to try to emulate these people.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Imagine tying a baby up on a board and telling
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: it to stay.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Look at that skull was look at that one to
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: the left Jamie left right below that, Yeah, that one,
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: look at that one. What the hell is that with
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: the yeah, but help me out, tell me that's a person,
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: help me out. That is not just an elongated skull.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: That's crazy, that's not if that's a real photo.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: Almost a potential plaster. Even I don't know that one
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: make this stuff.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: That is true. That is true.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: People in Sasquatch organization, Well.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: That's a reputable sort. They're the best Sasquatch organization.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: Try not to judge all of those and I'm just
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: clicking the photo.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: But they have all the real information. There's a lot
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: of misinformation in the Sasquatch community.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: Oh yes, m but that is the only place that shows.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: There's gotta be the other ones. Well that that one
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: in the middle and the top and the left, yeah, right.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: There, click on that those three like that almost yeah,
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: still the same one, all the same one.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: From different angles. Well, the one in the middle looks
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: different than the one on the left.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Definitely look at the recreation below though at least his
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: eyes are big.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: He looked. Okay, that's a good one. That's a good
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: that's a good representation with those people. And those people
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: tell me that dude can't read your mind. The last
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: he comes up to you with those beads on, like,
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: I'll do whatever you say. You're like Okay, I guess
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: we're communicating with the mothership. Yeah, Like, look at the
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: size of his Please go back to that image again
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: with hair. Yeah, that's is that real?
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah? And most of the hair on these elongated skulls
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: is red.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: Oh that's so wild, that's so crazy. Go back to
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: that last image please, where you see the dude like
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: that guy. Imagine running into that guy at a Mayan temple.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: He'd be like, oh Christ, there real one hundred person Like,
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: that's a different kind of person like that seems the
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: eyes are fucking massive. That seems like a totally different
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: kind of person.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, you know, it has very different abilities than the
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: average human.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Yes, I mean if the brain is what differentiates us
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: from all the other intelligent animals on this planet, and
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: a human it looks just like a human, but different
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: has a brain that much bigger than ours.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: What is that?
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: What?
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: That's a real thing, folks. This is these We're not
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: making this up. These fucking skulls are real. That's crazy. Yep,
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: that is crazy. There was a person like that.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: The only museum I've been to in the world that
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: has any sign that indicates it may have been alien
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: is Malta. When you walk into the museum in Malta,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: it actually has a poster that talks about the lack
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: of the Sagital future, has a picture of an alien
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: on it.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Really wow.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: And they leave their skulls out. A lot of these museums,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: especially the ones in southern Peru, they've sort of tucked
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: them away. They've put them in dark cases, so it's
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: harder to take pictures of them. You can't. They're not
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: out there in the open word. It's easy to pop
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: around each side of it.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: They're probably worried about them getting stolen too. That there's
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: an issue that I've been informed about with ancient artifacts
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: that there's a whole underground market where really wealthy people
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: like want to buy like Egyptian artifacts, and there's a
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: lot of scandals involved with a lot of these people
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: that are in charge of these artifacts, where artifacts go
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: missing and people get rich, and you know, they sell
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: books that nobody buys, and all of a sudden they
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: have a mansion.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: And if you're on a government salary and you can
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: slip one of these vases away, yeah and sell it,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: you're going to make a lot more money than you're
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: going to make working for the government.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: Not just vases, but even skeletons. There's evidence of skeletons
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: going missing. Yep, skeletons they found in a sarcophagus, and
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: then all of a sudden they said, Nope, there's no skeleton.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: And then there's clearly documentation that they found a skeleton
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: that leads back decades ago. And then today they're saying, no,
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: no skeletons, like, where's the skeleton, nothing to see here, Yeah,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: and some of that. That's the weird thing is like
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: some of these these skulls that they find, if you
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: could find the entire skeleton, you'd imagine that is a
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: very big person. These are not normal sized people, like
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: whatever the structure, that's unless they have an enormous head
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: and a little tiny body. If they have a proportion
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: at head to their body, you're looking at a seven
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: to eight foot tall person. This is a huge head. Yeah.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: And there's giant lore all over the world, in every
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: ancient civilization and.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: In the fucking Bible.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: I don't believe that that's imaginary, and I don't believe
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: it's myths. I think that it's remembering.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it is too. I think there's probably
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: a different version of people that existed. And I think
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: the real problem is, well, we're dealing with the fossil record,
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: and the reality of biological life is neither you nor
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: I is very likely to leave behind a fossil. So
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: a thousand years from now, no one's going to know
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: who you were, and no one's going to know who
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: I was. And they're not gonna be able to tell
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: from our bones. You're not going to find them. They're
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: going to be absorbed by the ground. And that's a wrap.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: And in order to get a fossil, a very specific
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: set of circumstances has to take place. And so you know,
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: we're lucky that we have some skulls. We're lucky in this.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: You know, a thousand years old, two thousand years old,
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: however old they are. But you get back to ten eleven,
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: twelve thousand years ago, fifteen thousand years ago, fifty thousand
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: years ago. Good luck, nothing left. Good luck unless you're
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: finding it in the perma frost, like in Alaska. Like
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: my friend John Reeves, he has that place, the Boneyard
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: in Alaska. He's the best. That's so love. That place
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: is crazy.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Have you been no?
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: He keeps trying to get me to go out there,
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: and I will eventually, I promise, But the spot is
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: absolutely bananas. He's finding all kinds of insane things out there,
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: including animals that aren't even supposed to have existed in
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: that area. So they're rewriting the idea of like what
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: was alive, and like what animals were alive, different cats
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: and different bears, Like, we don't know that much. We're
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: basing like the thing about all we know about the dinosaurs.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: It's amazing how much work they've done. It's amazing how
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: many dinosaurs they've documented. But if you look at the
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: amount of dinosaurs that actually lived over the hundreds of
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: millions of years, hundreds of millions of years of dinosaurs
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: aroam the earth, there's a tiny, tiny, diny fraction, a
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: tiny fraction of these dinosaurs that we find that are fossilized,
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: most of them are gone forever, including who knows how
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: many species that were completely unaware of we have no
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: evidence of whatsoever. Now, think about an intelligent species that
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: probably buried their dead like we do, or maybe even
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: burn them. You know, we don't know what they did,
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: or you know, maybe they were even more enlightened. They
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: did the Tibetan Sky funeral where they let themselves get
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: eaten by vultures.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: You're not going to find anything, right, No, You're You're
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: absolutely right. It feels like people should be just maybe
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: a little bit more open to our past.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: I think people are. I think the problem is some
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: of these and I say some, it's only some of
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: these academics. There's a lot of people that are deviating
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: from that now. And again it's a lot of young people,
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: you know, like guys like Michael Button. Do you know
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: is he's great, He went school, got a degree, and
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: it was like, I think there's more to this, and
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: I think I could do a better job doing a
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: YouTube channel where I just researched these things thoroughly and
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: provide you with a very balanced perspective on how crazy
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: all this stuff is and how none of this really
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: makes sense if you use the conventional timeline. Yep.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: And people are hungry for that information.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I am. I'm obsessed.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: Thank goodness that the Internet has democratized it, so yes,
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: people like me can get on there and put a
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: video on and just see what people think.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: And you really learn a lot when you see people
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: like you get attacked, you know, and people like Jimmy
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Corsetti and all these people, like they go after people
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: so hard and they always take the same love they always.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: Takes always racism, racism exactly.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say, which is so crazy
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: because no one's attributing the Indian temples to anything under
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: than Indians, right, it's not racist, it's just saying, I'm
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: telling Indians from like a long ass time ago.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: It's the same people they to be even more proud of.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it's crazy, Like no one is saying that
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: the people in Peru, humans in Peru didn't make that stuff.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: No one's saying that, right, That's exactly what we're saying. Yep,
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: what we're saying is probably the people in Peru were
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: incredibly sophisticated before the flood. Yeah, that's probably what it was.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Egypt, it doesn't make any sense that they're shutting that
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: down to extend your timeline. If you're able to to
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: twenty thousand years ago, that's twice as much to be
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: proud of, right, right.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: But it's just the academics who have like firmly stamped
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: twenty five hundred BC BAM this is what we know,
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: and we're going to stick with it, ye despite all
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: the hard evidence, like the geol logical evidence disputing that.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: It's really weird because like, look, guys, rain does a
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: very specific thing to stone over thousands of years.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: Is hard evidence right there.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, And you don't really know when it
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: was built. You're just guessing. But this isn't really much
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: of a guess. This is actual evidence. Yeah, And for
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: them to not even consider that and to just dismiss them.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: And it's just lucky that guys like Robert Chalk had
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: tenure and lucky also that he wasn't an archaeologist, he's
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: a geologist and what are they going to fault him
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: for his methods the way he did it? What he said? No,
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: you can't really because it's pretty rock solid.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: We should be leaning on these geologists and saying, what
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: do you see and then informing our theories based on
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: what they're saying. Yeah, not the other way around.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Ben van Kirkwik has done amazing work on some of
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: the erosion that's around some of the pyramids and some
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: of the bases of some of the structures around the pyramid,
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: and that it seems like there's many levels of construction
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: and that the oldest, oldest stuff has a preposterous amount
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: of erosion, like insane amount of erosion.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, yep, I mean even in So I've spent
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of time researching Cambodia. If you look at
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: so there are eight different pyramids in the media anchor
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: Wat area, and these pyramids are massive, and when you
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: walk up to them you can see how incredibly ancient
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: they are. And the dating on these pyramids are, you know,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: nine hundred eighty to thirteen hundred eighty, so not very
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: old the official dating, but when you stare at the stones,
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: you can see the same thing you see in Egypt.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: You see just ancient weathering patterns down the sides of them.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: You can see how the whole site has been rebuilt.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: And they don't talk about it. Right, So the entire
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: history of Cambodia, nobody, nobody is open at all to
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: exploring that it might be older than eight hundred eighty.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: Let's look at some photos of ankor Watt, because it's
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: another incredibly bizarre place. And when people use the convention
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: old timeline to date it, it's not it's amazing and
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: it's beautiful, but it's not as crazy when you really
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: if you take into consideration that no one really knows
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: when it was built, and the possibility that it's actually
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: eleven thousand years old, twelve thousand year old, maybe even older,
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: it almost kind of makes sense. Have you does it
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: would look just like that? Yeah.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: And the temples are the towers inside the core of
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: Anchor Wat. In my personal opinion, the core of anchor Watt,
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: it's got three different layers. The core I think is
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: extremely old. It's got these five central towers. They look
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: almost melted. So you can see the five in the middle.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: As you move out by each layer, all of the
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: iconography in Anchor Watt changes. So in the center it's
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: all deities, it's religious symbolism. As you move out it
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: becomes war scenes and elephants in battle. Right, so you
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: can see where each successive culture has built onto the
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: outside of Anchor Wat. But the core of it, it
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: looks enormously old.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: And let's get some photos of the core of it.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: Have you ever have you ever discussed the light our
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: findings around Anchor Wat? I have not, Jamie. I have
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: some photos in my Cambodia folder.
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: Try to dance the line of looking at these before
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: I switch over to your stuff.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: God, Look how beautiful that is. Look how the trees
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: roots are growed all around it.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: Cambodia is one of the most special places.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: On this earth. Imagine what that was like during its prime.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: Oh that's the Bayon Temple, the temple with two hundred
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: and eighteen faces. Wow, enormous faces.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: So are those is that?
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: Like? Those are clearly different stones brought in.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're individual stones.
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: To compare it to the other stuff we've seen where it's.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, very different, Yeah, very different kind of construction. Yeah, spectacular,
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: but maybe makes more sense than like Kylossa.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: In twenty twelve. That's a great photo, Jamie. In twenty
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: twelve they did alid our survey in Cambodia and what
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: they discovered in Cambodia completely shocked the world. So you
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: can see Anchor Watt in this photo is right in
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: the middle of that giant moat. There were huge mound
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: fields all around Anchor Wat, inside this moat and outside
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: of Anchorwat. And then if you go south of it,
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: you can see these giant spiral embankments. If you just
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: zoom out a tiny bit Jamie. Do you see those
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: spirals in the bottom left side of the screen. Those
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: are from one side to the other. They're a mile long. Yeah.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: So these are the geometric features at Anchor.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: Wat, and these are hidden from the Naked era.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, they're under the jungle canopy. Nobody knew that these
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: were there until twenty twelve when the light hoar results
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: came out. Holy shit, there are mound fields that are
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: a mile This particular moundfield is a mile long. It's
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: a ten by ten mound field. And these mounds are enormous.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: They're like thirty feet across and there's no explanation at
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: all for what these are.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: And they didn't even know they existed.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: They didn't even know they existed. So this is anchor
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: Wat from the air, very very interesting. That western beret
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: where you see, that's a man made it's the largest
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: hand cut reservoir on Earth. It's eight kilometers long and
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: two kilometers wide. So you can see the old Siam
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: Reep International Airport just south of it. That's the size
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: of this thing. It is enormous. The official archaeological story
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: of these berets is that they were a hand dug
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: and that they were used to water rice. There's one
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: on the left side that's the Western Beret. There's an
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: equally large one on the east side, so there are
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: two of them that are eight kilometers long on each
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: side two kilometers wide. Just an enormous volume of dirt
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: would have had to have been removed to create these,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: and there's no discussion at all about what they were for,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: how they were made. They're just attributed to different kings
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: based on inscriptions found in the corners of these sites.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: So if you want to talk about mysteries, in my
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: humble opinion, Cambodia is one of the most mysterious places
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: on Earth.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: What are they? How old do they think? This reservoir
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: is uh.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: Like nine hundred eighty so not old at all, and
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: there's no explanation for how it was done. Just to
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: excavate the Western Beret is the equivalent of fifty three
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: Giza size pyramids of dirt moved out of it. So
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: this is it today. You can see there's a temple
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: in the middle of.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: It that's so big, that's so crazy that they supposedly
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: dug that out by hand.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: You can see this from space. NASA's taking photos of it.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: Before.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: There's no explanation for what they were doing there.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: What is the images of the pyramids up in the corner,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: that's the fifty.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the equivalent. So one hundred and thirty eight
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: million cubic meters of dirt to dig that out.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: How deep is it?
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: It's you know, five or ten meters deep. And I
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: believe that they you know, they dug out the inside
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: and then they built these large walls, you know, retaining
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: walls on the outside. So I don't think that there's
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: huge piles of dirt somewhere. I think that's you know,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: it was just deepened and then they built the walls
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: around them to retain them. But there's a lot of
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: really interesting, complex things going on with these berets.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: This reminds me of I had perplexity dig up something
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: on the Kylie Osset Temple.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, here I was.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: It was just going into like is the ability of
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: what do you know how many people they thought made it?
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: I guess I'll ask you that first. Do you know
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: how they the conventional method? They said two hundred and
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: fifty people made it over five and a half years.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: The problem with that is it started they'd like to
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: hire those dudes. It started to tell me like that's
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: kind of like okay, but then it started getting like,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: actually the hardest part with this is going to be
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: removing all of that rock, like where not They couldn't
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: that didn't say like where is it? But it just
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: just going into the math. This is all the perplexity
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: did it's all this math on.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: This is kylossa.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the amount of stone that can be removed.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: Every day and it just would have taken it is
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: even just the two hundred and fifty people is a
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: fourth of the potential the number they tried to destroy
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: it with for three years, and it has the same tools.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: I guess they just had some sort of metal that
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: says five and a half.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: They tried to destroy it for three years and quit.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: Really frustrating three years.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: A thousand guys try to destroy it for three years.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: You imagine that. That is crazy.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: One hundred and it's just exaggerated. You know, they couldn't
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: do anything.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: That's really crazy.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: You know, mad that king was, He's like, just destroy it.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: Imagine what a dick he must have been. Oh yeah,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: I want to destroy that. It's the problem with kings.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: It's the problem with kings.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: Good lord, that's wild.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, the Cambodia is incredibly mysterious and nobody talks
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: about Cambodia Jackson Coffee. Sure, thank you.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: So how did you get involved in Cambodia? How'd you
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: it was the first thing that you looked at.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: I went there for the first time three years ago.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: It was a quick stopover. We were getting ready to
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: hike the Sundong Cave in Vietnam, you know.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: The largest cave in the world sixty minutes.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So we had that trip planned and I said, well,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: Cambodi's right next door. Maybe we should just pop over
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: there for a week. So we did, and you know,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: walking on these sites, it's the same thing I was
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: talking about earlier.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: You.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: I like to hire local guides just to hear what's
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: the story that they are telling you? What is the
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: official history and the story that they told me, just
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: it doesn't match what you see with your own eyes.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: So they say that the earliest civilizations they are built
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: in brick, and then they built with stone. Over time,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: they developed the ability to build with stone. But all
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: of the brick is on top of the stone. It's
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: on top of these massive pyramids right, So it doesn't
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense that the oldest stuff is at
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: the top. So I started sort of questioning the history
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: of Cambodia. I got into these light our results, which
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: are really fascinating. I mean, they discovered entire unknown cities
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: in Cambodia with light ar so on top of the
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: Kolan Mountains, which is the plateau where they quarry all
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: of the stone for Anchor Watt, all the sandstone, there
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: was an entire massive city on top of that plateau
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: that they had no idea was there. There were pyramids,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: there were two thousand acre reservoirs, there were mound fields,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: there were you know, massive causeways, and it was all
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: just hidden under the trees the jungle. So it's you know,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: in twenty twelve, sort of the cat was out of
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: the bag in Cambodia. And what's interesting is that it
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: should have made international headlines. You know, these spiral embankments
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: that are a mile long on the south side of
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: Anchor Wat. Nobody knows what they are. Nobody has a
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: good explanation for what they are. Archaeologists say, you know,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: maybe it was a garden feature, maybe it was fishing,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: And in my mind, You don't build mile long earthen
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: embankments in a shape of a perfect spiral unless you
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: have a very specific reason for doing that.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: What do you think that reason was.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I you know, I'm starting to put
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: together a theory about I think it all had to
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: do with water. They were channeling water down from the
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: Coolon Mountains, which is about fifty miles away from Anchor Watt.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: They were channeling water down, building sixteen kilometer diversion channels,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: taking the water way out of the way, running them
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: through mound fields into these giant reservoirs. All of these
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: reservoirs have pyramids connected to them, and it's one system
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: after another of reservoirs with temples in the middle, pyramids
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: connected to the outside. It feels like a massive industrial undertaking.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: And I've gone back and forth. Does it have to
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: do with energy? Possibly? I personally think it had something
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: to do with how they were treating the water, like
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: if they could, if they could get it structured, maybe right,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: so that it was better for plants, better for people,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: better for animals, better for consciousness. There was a massive
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: undertaking happening there that that just isn't addressed at all
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: by oarchaeologists. Nobody's tying together these different systems and saying, gosh,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: that was a monumental undertaking. I wonder what they were
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: doing that for. It's all just rice farming, is the
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: official story.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: Can you show me that? Let light our image again?
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: I'm looking for more. Keep running into just the scientific
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: papers about it.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: They have the light our images that have walked away.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they've done a bunch of studies on this, and
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: there's some cool photos, but I'm trying to find.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: Like, you know, can you go back to the ones
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: that we're just looking at though that she provided, because
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: I want to see the patterns? Yes, yeah, that okay?
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: That perfect? Like so those features are weird, It's really weird.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: They're huge. They're a mile long and half a mile wide,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: like that yellow square, and that's symmetrical, and they're perfectly symmetrical.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: And this isn't the only place in Cambodia that has these,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: and so.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: We're probably looking at an intensely sophisticated civilization.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: Yes absolutely. I mean the moat you see dug in
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: the middle of that structure that was built during the
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: Khmer period, which is the civilization that all of this
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: is being attributed to they're the ones that dug that
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: through the middle. So I don't even think they knew
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: that this was here.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: It was just completely covered.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they just dug right through the middle of it.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: And so this is probably really really old and people
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: have lived in that same place. Like, how crazy that looks.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: That's almost crazy.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: Every inch of ancient Cambodia is engineered. There's a site
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: called Cocare. It's about two hundred miles northeast of Anchor Wat.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: They discovered a seven kilometer long man made dam that
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: created a two thousand acre reservoir.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: Look at that.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they they didn't know that this was there.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: I was on a tour with Derrek Olson last November
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: and we actually took the tour group out to the
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: corner of Anchor Watt and walked those mounds. And what's
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: interesting is when you're out there, you actually can't tell
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: that the mounds are there until you're kind of on
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: top of them, and then you look around and you're like, wow,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: I'm feet above the rest of the landscape. And then
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: you kind of keep walking because these things are thirty
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: feet across, So you keep walking and then suddenly you're
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: at the bottom of the landscape. So I don't think
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: that they knew it was there.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: Wow, it's so big that without light art, you're really
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: not going to get an understanding.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: So that picture. Yeah, so there's a good example of
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: the jungle canopy being kind of stripped away. This is
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: what it looks like from the air.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: Without light, So there's no way you would know.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: Wow, entire cities, seven kilometer long dams, huge reservoirs. They
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: didn't know about any of this until lighter came out.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: That's incredible.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: How the trees are just growing back and.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: That's so dope. Look how awesome those roots are.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: That's the Laura Croft temple. It's oh really yeah she
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: filmed Laura Croft was filmed at this temple for.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: Real, for you They actually let her film there that movie. Yeah, wow,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: pretty dope.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, tourist love it.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: That tree just overcoming the buildings. Amazing.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: They have their hands full in Cambodia with preserving these
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: temples because the jungle's actively tearing it down.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like the jungles trying to consume it
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: with that tree. Absolutely like eventually it will eventually if
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: more trees grow like that, it'll break down all the
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: stone underneath that.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: The structures I believe are older, like the Pyramids, they're
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: a little bit more impermeable to these kinds of things.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: The newer temples, like the one you see on the screen,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: they just get ripped down.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: It's it's a little bit inferior construction. So it's newer. Obviously,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: I think the Khmer actually built those, and so those
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: just get ripped down immediately by trees. But the really
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: old stuff that the pyramids, if you see photos when
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: they excavated it in like the nineteen twenties, they were
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: fully intact.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: You were talking about the center of it, that it's different,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: that it looks older. Is there any clear images of
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: like what that looks.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: Like if you of the Pyramids or of Ankorwatt.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: Ankerwat the center.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: I don't think I have photos in that folder, but
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: you can if.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: You because you were talking about the difference between the artiography.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you search the just the central towers of
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: anchor Wat, you're probably going to find images of that.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: The central it's so it's three layers that get higher
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: and higher as you get toward the middle of anchor
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: Wat and in the middle of it, it's very it's
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: just it's carvings that just blow your mind. And they're
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: all they're all spiritual in nature, which is something you
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: see all over the world. So in India where I
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: just was, it was the same thing. The older structures
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: it's spiritual imagery, and then as you move out to
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: the newer structures, it's all war scenes. You know, you
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: can see the de evolution of human consciousness.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: So these are from the center of ankor Wat. It's deities,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: you know, it's it's beautiful three D carvings. You can
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: stick gum wrappers through these, so they're they're fully enclosed.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: You can stick a gum wrapper behind these stones.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: Whoa god, it's so pretty.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: It's so beautiful.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: And this is all this So that's so interesting that
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: the people that probably built it first had no interest
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: in war, no interest in war at least had a
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: very enlightened perspective.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: It does support, you know, the idea of I know
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: you've talked about the Yuga cycles on this show, but
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: the idea of the of human consciousness having reached its
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: peak twelve thousand years ago and has just been slowly
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: devolving ever since. You can see that in the imagery
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: in some of these temples plain as day. So yeah,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of images of you know, war scenes
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: on the outer like all of the outer layers of
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: anchor watt, but in the middle it's totally different. Same
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: in India.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: Now, does anybody have an idea, like, does anybody have
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: a compelling theory as to when these were made that
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: like is backed by any kind of evidence or no?
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: No, I mean you can look at carbon dating and
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: you can poke holes in the carbon dating all day long,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: so they'll carbon date wood samples. You know, these are
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: made of stone. You can't date stone. There's there's reconstructions
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: that have happened on all these sites that are brick,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: and then there's going to be there's wood doorways that
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: are put in and they've carbon dated the wood, and
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: the wood in a lot of instances is coming back
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: older than the accepted date of the temple construction in general,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: which is a little bit problematic. So like there's a
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: pyramid called Bokong, which is the oldest accepted pyramid in
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: Cambodia that one's dated to like eight hundred AD. The
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: wood samples in the repaired sections of Bokong are from
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: the six hundreds and they say, well, that's generally the same,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: you know, And so you have to ask yourself if
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: they were reconstructing and rebuilding these sites, say they were
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: doing that during the Khmer times. They were using bricks
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: and they were using wood to repair these sites. They
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: were doing that in six hundred AD. So how old
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: is the pyramid itself that they you know, they came
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: there and they repaired the pyramid. How old is that
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: core structure?
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and to assume that it's the same age is crazy.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: And it's a bit of a circular argument because they
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: they date a temple based on an inscription, and then
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: they look at other temples that don't have inscriptions and
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: they say, well, this one looks a lot like this one,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: so they placed it in the same time period. So
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: just becomes this big circular logic of all of it
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: fits the story neatly, you know, based on one inscription.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: That seems so silly. Yeah, really, it just doesn't make sense.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: It seems much more likely that there's a giant mystery. Yes, yeah,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: and especially when you look at the difference in the
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: artwork and the way it looks. We show me Jamie.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: They say that this one took three hundred thousand workers
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: approximately thirty years, and they never finished anchor what yeah, yeah,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: and this has they also started it all around eleven
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: six eleven sixteen CE.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: So I was.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: I was recently in India a couple of weeks ago,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: and I saw something there that was the most impressive
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: thing I've seen with my own two net two eyes.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: It's called the Bahu Bali Statue. I have photos in
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: the India folder. It's a thousand tons, so it's as
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: big as the biggest destroyed structures or the biggest destroyed
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: statues in Egypt. But it's still standing. It's in India.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: It's on top of a mountain. It's made of granite.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: That's a person whoa at the bottom of it.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: Holy shit, it's.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: Made of white granite. There's you know, the jury's out
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: on whether it was moved there, built somewhere else and
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: moved there, or whether this was built at the top
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: of the hill from living stone. But in my mind,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: this thing is clearly machined. It's absolutely perfect. Those ears
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: are five and a half feet long.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: Whoa look at the lips and the fingernails and everything.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: How crazy the precision is.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: It's perfect. Look at the head. So these are all
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: photos I took while I was there. It stands. You know,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: it's sixty feet tall, it's a thousand tons, so it's
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: the largest standing statue on earth from ancient times.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: And where's the stone supposedly coming from?
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, the story is, and I actually think
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: I believe it. The whole mountain is granite, and so
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: in order for this thing. So that's just it poking
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: out above the temple that's built around it. That's mad,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: it's insane that you know. The story is that basically
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: it was all leaves on his arm, that they built
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: it out of living stone, that it's still connected to
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: the mountain, and it kind of looks like that when
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: you walk around it. You can see this rough stone
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: at the bottom, but it looks very different than the
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: stone from the mountain itself. So this is a white granite, yes,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: so you can see how it almost looks like living stone.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: And I can't imagine how you could have erected that,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: moved it to the top of this mountain. So I
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: personally believe that it was. It was found. You know,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: it was built there and it was connected.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: A large stone that was there and they just went
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: in and chiseled the statue out of it. Yep.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: It represents Babu Bali, which was the it's a jane
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: statue and Babu Bali was a man who achieved enlightenment
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: by standing still for a full year. So the anton
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: cobra hills at the bottom and then the vines grew
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: up around him. Oh so he is the picture of enlightenment.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: So just just look at that image. It How was
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: that built? I sat in front of this thing for
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: two hours, just entranced by it. And the beautiful thing
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: about this the temples in India is they are all
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: living temples, so they're actively being taken care of by
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: the community. They're active places of worship. They're not often
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: the jungle breaking down. They're being taken care of. And
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: you know, this looks like it was carved yesterday.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: And what timeline is this attributed to.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: About nine eighty a d. And why do they think
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: that because of those very unsophisticated inscriptions at the base
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: Can I see those inscriptions? Yeah? Right there. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: not so sophisticated. They look really shitty.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: So they carved those around the base and they said,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: I built this.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: Look how clunky those inscriptions are.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: This paragraph here on this thing I showed you about
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: anger watt mm hmm. Shines a little light onto that. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: it's just like I'll let you read it.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: Buildings and temples by the Khmer kings was a means
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: of legitimizing their claim to political office and also to
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: lay claim to the protection and powers of the gods.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: Hindu temples are not a place of religious congregation. Instead,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: they're homes of the God. In order for a king
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: delay claim to his political office, he had to prove
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: that the gods did not support his predecessors or his enemies.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: To this end, the king had to build the grandest
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: temple palace for the gods, one that proved to be
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: more lavish than any previous temples. In doing so, the
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: king could make his make visible his ability to harness
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: the energy and resources to construct the temple, and assert
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: that his temple was the only place that a god
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: would consider residing in on earth.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: Interestingly, in Cambodia, all of the pyramids were the first
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: structures claimed by the kings. So the first king built
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: the first pyramid, the second king built the second pyramid.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: So what I think they were doing is they were
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: going into this landscape and they were finding these incredibly
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: sophisticated pyramids, and just like that paragraph suggests, they said, Wow,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: this is the coolest thing I can find around and
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: they wrote their name on it, you know. And then
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: once all the pyramids were taken, then they started claiming
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: the berets. They started claiming the really nice temples, Like
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: there's a temple called Bantier Sray, which is a red
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: sandstone temple. It's beautiful. It's one of the coolest places
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: I've ever been, you know. They they claimed all of
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: these places first, so all of the coolest stuff in
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: Cambodia is the oldest. And then once everything was claimed,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: then they started building new ones like that Bayond temple
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: that you saw with the faces and the smaller stones.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: So that's what I think happened in Cambodia.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: Jamie, can you go back once again to that giant
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: statue and the inscriptions on it. Those inscriptions are weird
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: because it's so shitty. Yeah, like, look, how bad the
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: lines are how squiggly they are and broken.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: Up, and there's another photo in there of the rest
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: of the inscriptions, they're even worse. I mean, these are
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: actually very nice compared to the.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: Ones that are, but not when you consider the grandness
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: of the actual statue itself. The statue is so spectacular.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look how they wrote it, just up
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: any space that they could find. They wrote their name there.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: But it looks entirely different than the rest of the statue.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: Right, it looks super clunky, Yeah, like it really does.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: It's a stark contrast.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: The toe on this statue is three feet long. The
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: ear is larger than most humans.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: That's so crazy, like looking at it.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: So it's so isn't it incredible?
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: Imagine the time that it would take to make something
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: like this with chisels.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, and there was nothing else made like.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: It, not only that, Like, what are we talking about
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: in terms of metallurgy back then.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, hammers and chisels.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well did they even have iron? Yeah, they had iron,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: So they had iron chisels And this is again was
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: it nine hundred.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: Nine hundred eighty.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: God?
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: And it's almost perfectly.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: Symmetrical, And you think it looks machined, I do.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: It looks very similar to the Egyptian statues. I have
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: some side by side photos in the folder.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: Focus on the neck, Jamie, go back to the neck,
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: because one of the things that was crazy about when
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: you saw the image of the neck, like look at
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: the lines. I know, like, what is that?
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: There's line similar lines like that on the large statues
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: in Cambodia, and there's similar lines like that on the
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: large statues in Egypt.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: Longer remindsment Mount rush Didn't we make that by hand
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: or No?
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think they used dynamite.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: I'm just scared, like that's the only thing I might
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: I can think of.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: No, that's true. Mount Rushmore's is immense and this.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: Is white granted, so this is an extremely hard stone.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: What was Mount Rushmore mayne?
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: I don't have to look. I just just thinking of it.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: It's like we made that a thousand years later.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: That is true. That is true. But we did that
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: with machines. They have machines back then. Yeah, I mean
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: they had jackhammers.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: They had all kinds of stuff back then when these
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: were civilizations that were at war. But somehow they found
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: the time to carve this.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: I just I'm wondering what those lines in the neck
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: are supposed to represent. The statue is so beautiful, isn't
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: it amazing? God, it's so incredible.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: Maybe they were going to make something and stopped.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dope, that would be if that was in your backyard,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: I'd never get anything.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: You can see this thing from fifty miles away. It's
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: up on top of a mountain and it's at the
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: peak of the mountains. So from fifty miles in each
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: direction you can see this massive statue just staring serenely.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: So if you it's u Gomuch Schwarre Bali Bali Statue
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: of No. So there's a couple of different ones. This
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: one's the best one. That's the third picture to the right,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: one in the middle.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a drone photo of it one.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: I was at. It is crazy.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: It's crazy, and it's the largest ancient standing statue in
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: the world and very few people talk about this thing.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: I've never even heard of it until today.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: Wow. So that was probably just a big ass rock
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: that was there and they chipped away everything to make that.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's two there's two options. One, maybe it
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: was a big rock. But look how much would have
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: had to have been reduced. And look at the stones
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: to the right. You can see how different they look
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: than the statue itself.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: Do you think it's possible that stone was moved there.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: I think it's possible it was moved there, not with
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: any technology we recognize today, but I think it's absolutely possible.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: It would have had to have been taken to the
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: top of this mountain, which is like six hundred and
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: fifty feet high, and stood up. But even if it wasn't,
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: Even if it was, and even if it was a
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: standalone boulder like the ones you see below it, that's
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: still an extraordinary feat to carve that thing in almost
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: perfect symmetry in a way that looks very very machined.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: That's bananas.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So you climb the mountain, it's like six hundred
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: and fifty steps. You have to do it barefoot because
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: it's an active temple. On the way down it got
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: real hot.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: Oh you can wear socks.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: You can wear socks, but it's slippery.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, you gotta wear them grippy socks.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: I didn't think of that.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like for pilates. Yeah, Wow, it's.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: It's an amazing place, and it's still the beautiful thing
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: about it is it's still just revered as a holy site.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: So people the Jans take pilgrimages there every twelve years.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: They have these major ceremonies where they they pour milk
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: and honey and things like that over the top of it.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: They build a big scaffolding so they'll climb up to
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: its head and pour pour these libations over the top
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: of it. And it's just being continuously worshiped. And when
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: you sit up there to get a little bit spiritual
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: for you, you feel different. You feel like you're being healed.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: Like we had a plane to catch and I didn't
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: want to leave. We sat in front of that. It
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: was my brother and I and we sat in front
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: of it for as many hours as we could before
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: we had to go catch our plane.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, what was going on back then? That's this
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: is the real big question, like what was the height
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: of sophisticated civilization ten twelve thousand years ago? What was
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: it really like? And how much information did we lose
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: because of the flood.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. What's interesting is if you look at Jane mythology,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: so they talk about these great half cycles that are
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: in calculate number of years. And they're they're called turf
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: and karas, so they're like the kings. The they're not kings,
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: they're like the enlightened ones of the period. The first
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: turf and Kara was Bababali was the son of that
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: enlightened being. He was described as being over a mile tall,
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: fully enlightened.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: He was described as millions of years old. And these
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: are their myths that go back to an incalculable amount
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: of time, and that's just in this half cycle, so
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: that they just described these major cycles of time. And
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: the images that they're building at the top of these
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: mountains are of these enlightened beings that are part of
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: these like ancient myths.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: Geez. You know when you go into their ancient scriptures
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: and you read about things like veimanas, like the flying crafts,
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: and you know, and we were talking the other day
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: about how they had some sort of a description that
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: seems to sound like a nuclear bomb and you had
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: to use it for very specific reasons and you had
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: to get authority to use it.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: And yeah, even do you know what a shiva lingam is?
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: In my Cambodia folder, there's some photos of it. So
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: in most of the Indian temples there's a shiva lingum
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: that's usually described as a you know, it's a male
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: component inside a female component, So it's meant to represent
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: both sides of the polarities. And they're at the entrance
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: of most of these temples, and they're small, they're maybe
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: like two or three feet long. But in Cambodia there
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: are giant shiva lingams. There are ones that are you know,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: probably almost twenty feet long, and you can you can
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: see those sites like Coquaine. You can see them at
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: the top of Panambac Mountain, which is right by one
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: of the big berets. In India, the hivaalingums are even bigger.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: If you go to the ancient texts and they talk
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: about these things, they describe them as infinite pillars of
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: light and fire. So are these sheavellingham these giant sheavalingams,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: Actually they're not. I don't believe that they're what we
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: say they are today. I think that they were extremely powerful,
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: maybe a weapon, I don't think so, maybe an energy device.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: But if you look at modern day's stone work and
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: then you tie it into the old myths, you know
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: that's when it becomes really really interesting to me.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: So that shavellingam that the man is standing on in
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: the top right photo that's at Hampy in India. These
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: are always surrounded by water. They're always in roofless shrines. This,
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: you know, very megalithic temples. The one in the bottom
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: right that's not Ai. That's a real photo of these
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: shiva lingams. That one's forty feet high, originally in a
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: roofless temple by large bodies of water. Were these actually?
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: I mean I think that these were all something very
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: different than what we're being told today, which is just
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: you know, a spiritual carving.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: So you think this has something to do with energy,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: and that's why they're surrounded by water.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean in the ancient text they're described as
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: an infinite pillar of light and fire. That's what a
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: normal sievelingum looks like that you see all over the.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: Temples right, which is just like a beautiful fountain, A.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: Very small version of these monumental ones that you can
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: find in Cambodia and India.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: That's very phallic looking.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: Yep. Yes, yeah, so go back to the big ones.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: An infinite source of pillar, pillar of fire, and light.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: That's what they're described as. Yes, what the hell is that? Like?
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: What what were they doing with these things? They always
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: face north, they're always in a roofless temple, always have
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: major water features next to them.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: Is how they made power?
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: Maybe implying electricity or something some kind of power.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: The myths suggest that there was something going on there.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: Well, this is the question that I always have when
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: you know, we when we think about technology, we always
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: think about in the context of what we understand currently,
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: and if you think of human beings, the way we've
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: progressed to get to where we are now is through
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: internal combustion engines and transistors and all these different technologies
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: that we're available that we have right now. There could
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: have been completely different direction that they went in and
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: achieved similar or more spectacular sophistication in this different direction. Yes,
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: And the idea that this is the only way to
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: go it's kind of crazy.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't have to be mechanical, especially.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: When this is a fairly sick society in terms of
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: our value system and you know what we you know,
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: we're mass yes, objectively.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: Yes, mentally, physically, we're as sick as we've ever been
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: it's the only reason our lifespan is increasing is because
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: we've overcome it with technology.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: Right, we're as sick as we've ever been, as unhappy
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: as we've ever been. I think that's part of the
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: reason that the powers that be don't want us talking
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: about golden ages.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: So, if you can convince civilization that, if you can
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: convince today's society that we are the best we've ever been,
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: life is as good as it's ever been, that's much
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: more palatable than we are as sick as we've ever been.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: We're as unhappy as we can.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: I think the people are actively trying to enforce that
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: narrative because of that, or do you think they're just
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: reinforcing their own current beliefs.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: I think a little of both.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: I don't think they know. I think there's a lot
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: of these people that are these that are conventional archaeologists,
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: conventional timeline proponents. I don't think they really study it all.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: I don't think they do. I think they try to
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: discredit some things, and they do it very disingenuously, Like
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: some of the people that have gone after Graham Hancock.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: The things they say are really kind of crazy. But
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: I think they're doing it because they're trying to reinforce
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: their own closely held beliefs and this gatekeeping of information
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: being the person that's the expert. There's appeal to expertise
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: in an area where you have very little data. It's like,
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: you really can't be an expert in something that you
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: you know, especially like timelines of stone, Like how how
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: do you know? You don't really know? Right, you don't know, Okay,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: so let's go from there.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: We don't know, that's an okay thing to say, or
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: I'm open to the possibilities.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: I don't think they're trying to promote it because they
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: think that we want to establish that, you know, human
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: beings today are sick, and let's not pay attention to
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: an enlightened golden age when people were different and they
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: were concentrating much more in the spiritual aspects of human life,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: and they had deities that were spectacular, and they had
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: technology that was above and beyond. I think I think
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: they're just not willing to entertain it, you know, I
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: think and again, I think that's like what they say
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: about science, and science moves on and progresses one funeral
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: at a time. Yeah, I think that's the case with
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: archaeology as well. I think there's a lot of these
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: people that just they have to go away, and then
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: the new people coming up. A lot of them are
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: watching YouTube, you know, a lot of them are reading
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: these papers. A lot of them are looking at the
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: work of Flibo BEYONDI that's underneath the pyramids, and they're going, hey,
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: explain that, because you really can't, you know, and they're
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: trying to dismiss it so hard. But that technology is
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: like if you are trust the science, like you got
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: to trust the science, and that technology has proven that.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: Not only that, they use that technology to accurately get
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: the dimensions of things like that particle collider that's one
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: point two kilometers into a mountain. So if they have
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: that and they can use that in a known specific structure,
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: they know the dimensions of it, and then they get
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: a reading that's the exact dimensions that specific structure. It's
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: because the technology works, right, but they don't want to
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: even entertain it because it's too crazy. Like if what
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: he's saying about what's underneath the pyramids is correct, the
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: whole timeline's gone, everything's gone. It's like, okay, yep, we
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: don't shit, you know.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: He just basically announced that he discovered a second sphinx.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: And if you if you look at the layout of
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: the Giza plateau, it actually makes sense that a second
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: sphinx would be there. The structures under the pyramid are
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: very difficult to prove out because you have to dig
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: or excavate under the pyramid.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: To do that.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: The second sphinx is, if it's there, is simply buried
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: by a pile of sand, So that would be a
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: very easy thing to dig out and to prove Yes,
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: Felipa BEYONDI is his technology is showing something that's actually there.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: What does the second sphinx look like in the images?
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: He just had a conference in Italy, and his translated
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: version of his talk at this conference just came out,
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: I think yesterday or the day before, and he shows
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: these all of these scans that he's done from space,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: and he kind of puts them together and shows the
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: shape of the structure that I'm seeing under the ground
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: looks a whole lot like the existing sphinx. And he
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: actually used AI and ran probabilities against his scans, and
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: so he went to groc and Google Gemini and all
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: of the different AIS and effectively said, if you look
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: at my data, what do you think the odds are
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: of a sphinx being under the sand? And AI came
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: back in almost every instance higher than eighty percent probability
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: that it is a sphinx based on the data that
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: he's showing. Wow, that would be incredible.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: That seems easy.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: And like I said, all you have to do is
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: so when they excavated the tombs that are right next
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: to where BEYONDI believes the Sphynx is, they took all
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: of the sand from those and piled it directly on
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: top of the sphinx, not knowing it was there. And
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: so you just need to move this sand out of
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: the way and dig down and you can prove what
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: he's whether it's there or not.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: Having people disputed that though, like aren't there some photos
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: where that mound didn't exist from like the nineteen thirties.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's when they excavated those tombs, they took
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: that sand and they piled it there. So initially, when
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: BEYONDI talked about this, like on Matt Bell's podcast, when
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: he announced this, people came out immediately and said what
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: he thinks he's seeing is actually a modern pile of soil.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: But what he's showing is below that in his scants.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: So I think it's a big opportunity for the people
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: in Egypt to go out, do a little dig down,
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: see what's there, and you can prove you know, yes,
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: So the dream stella, all of these, a lot of
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: these different traditions talk about two sphinxes and the geometry
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: from the air, you can see where he believes he
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: found the sphinx. Geometrically, it looks very similar to where
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: the first sphinx was found in relation to the different pyramids. WHOA,
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so you know, I think it.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: Goes back to that just talking about it, I know.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: But they say it's false. Well, I love how theyse
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: say that viral claims of second buried Sphinx at Giza
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: are false. Archaeologists say, well, how do you know if
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: you didn't dig? Yeah, how do you know? And again
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: also the sphinx was buried. This is like what's really important,
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: Like when Napoleon found it, it was burnt buried, right,
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: so that was what what year was that? I don't
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: know what year's Napoleon seventeen's seventeen hundreds. Then I could
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: see the head though, right, Yeah, that's it just that.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so if the entire sphinx, Yeah, if the entire
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: Sphinx is varied, I guess my point is it's it's
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: very hard to prove his claims of what's under the pyramids,
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: because that's a.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: Look, there's a picture of that's a real excavation and color.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: So I mean you could easily see giving a different
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: geographic layout, you know, different top graphical layout that if
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: the whole body could be covered. Well, if you're in
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: a different place and the sand comes in a different
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: way and it piles up even higher.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: It's on the west side of the Giza Plateau, the
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: current Sphinx is on the east side, and then you
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: have the two pyramids in the middle.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: So it is possible sand could have just covered that
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: over thousands and thousands.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: Of absolutely, and it would be easy to prove that
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: it's there, or that it's not, or that it's not
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: or that beyond he's full of shit, or maybe he's
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: not right.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: He might not be well. They have also found chambers
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: inside the Sphinx that they know are real, so chambers
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: that that are proven that they know exist. This technology
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: also shows.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: Them, and in beyond these new scans, he also shows
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: cavities inside that sphinx really what he believes are Okay,
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: So it's really exciting and I think, you know, if
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: you think about where this field is going in the
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: next five or ten years, and think about the opportunities
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: with AI and all of this technology. Look what was
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: uncovered in Cambodia with light R. Look what's happening in
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: Egypt with scans from space. If you take AI and
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: you start to compile you know, I used to work
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: for a mining company, and mining companies use light AR,
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: or forestry companies or environmental companies, they all scan the
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: earth right with light R. If you could use AI
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: to compile all of the scans all over the world,
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: imagine what you could start to identify that nobody's identified
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: before as ancient structures. I think you could fundamentally change
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: this discussion the next five years just using AI and
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: different kinds of technology that we've never been able to
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: do in human history. We can we can translate untranslatable texts.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen that. I've seen what's really fascinating when
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: they do these scans of scrolls from POMPEII have you seen.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: That the vesuvious projects amazing, Like.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: They're completely wrapped and they're covered with ash like and
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: the like. They're super delicate, but they've been able to
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: use scans to actually read the text on those scrolls.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: It's amazing, incredible, and there's an incredible amount of ancient
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: texts that have been untranslated. What is hidden in there, right,
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: you know, not just the languages that we don't know
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: how to translate, like wronga Wrongo script in Easter Island,
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: but translatable script that nobody's paid attention to, the thousands
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: of Sanskrit writings. What's hidden in there, right, you know.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: So I think it's a really exciting time to do
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: this work, and I personally believe in the next ten
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: years they're going to be extraordinary discoveries that I think
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: it's going to be very hard to argue that we
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: need to at least re examine our history.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, without a doubt, I think that's already the case.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: I think there's thanks to people like you and thanks
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: to people that are making these videos where you could
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: see this just it's just so puzzling. I mean, it
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: doesn't make the timeline doesn't make any sense. It also
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense in terms of like a linear
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: timeline of technology. It's like what were they using? How
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: did they move this stuff? And why why? Yeah?
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: Why why were they building these things? Why were they
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: building them where they were building them?
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: You know, if you think of the earth like a
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: human body, were these sites built on the acupuncture points
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: of earth? They were built in highly energetic places. When
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: you go to these sites, you feel different. People describe
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: spontaneous healings. I have different dreams when I visit these
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: ancient sites. You know, I do a lot of meditations,
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: and when you meditate on top of a pyramid in Cambodia,
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: you drop in immediately, you know, So you are as
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: a human you're resonating with these sites in a way
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: that you don't when you're not at them. And so
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: I believe personally that they were building these sites in
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: these places for a reason.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: Well, it makes sense. And the idea that different places
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: don't have different energy is just one of those things
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: that people like to say that we've got a clear
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: understanding of what energy is. And you know what it's
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: different about these different places is just different geologies. Just
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: there's nothing special.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's nothing.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: But we don't really know that. There's so many things
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: that we can't measure, and we definitely don't understand why
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: certain places have a different effect on human beings. I
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: mean just wilderness has a different effect on human beings.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: It's you know, like forest bathing, it's a real thing,
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: like hugging trees actually is good for you, Like grounding
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: walking barefoot on ground is actually good for you. And
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: we don't truly understand why. And there's something that in
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: some way that we're connected to the earth that we
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: don't quite understand. Yep.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: Right after I left my corporate life, I did a
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: basically like a wilderness quest, so picture like a Native
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: American vision quest, where I spent four days on the
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: side of a mountain with no food, no tent, nothing,
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: just a journal and myself for four days with no food.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: Why did you do it?
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: Was?
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 3: It was.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: Because I needed to heal from the corporate life that
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: I had lived. I needed to recover any.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: Batter jobs out batter jobs that it's better to have
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: no food and be sitting on a mountain for four
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: days to get your head straight.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: What I'll say about that experience is I think that
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: humans don't let themselves get completely silent any longer. So
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: what you're saying about nature healing, you you know, over
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: the course of three days, your body gets very we
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: and the voices get a lot quieter, and suddenly, really
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: the only thing you hear is your soul or God
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: or whatever word you have for it. And you watch
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: the stars pass at night, and you're sitting there all day,
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: and it's it was one of the most special experiences
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: I've ever had.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: Did you bring water? What did you do?
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: You have basically like you have three leaders of water
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: per day that you hike into this area and you
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: just sit with the water and that's it. The last
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: night of it was really cool because what you're supposed
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: to do, it's it's it's meant to be a healing
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: and kind of rebirth.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: So the last night you set up rocks in a
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: circle and you at sunset, you enter the middle of
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: the circle and you're you're keeping an all night vigil.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: So you're watching, you literally watch the constellations move all
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: night and you're supposed to try. I succeeded, but barely
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: to stay awake until the sun comes up. And so
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: the idea is that you're entering as one person and
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: you're leaving the next morning as another person. And so
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: that the Native Americans with their vision quests, they're doing
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: it right. I think that we have completely lost our
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: connection and ability to tune into ourselves and to tune
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: into the earth. And you know, quests like that are
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: really amazing.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: Wow, And it's being blunted every day by phones and TVs.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: Five gs and just flipping through TikTok. You know, it's
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: it's different than sitting with yourself in complete silence.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: We're a complete polar opposite to corporate life.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, thank god, corporate life has its place.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: But yeah, well it has its place. I'm on an iPhone.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: Somebody's got to make.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: A laptop totally. And people need to make a living, right.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, It's just there's other ways, not for everybody. I mean,
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: we need people to not get it so that they
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: keep working so we have stuff, yep, exactly, or.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: You know, at least to spend a portion of their
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: life doing that.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: And then but when you think about ancient civilizations and
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: how much time they spent in ritual and how important
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: these things were to them, and how they had this
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: very strange connection like a lot of these ancient structures,
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: particularly the Aztec structures and Egyptian structures, they mirror the constellations,
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: and so they had an understanding of their place in
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: this universe. They knew how to make these temples so
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: that the pillars the summer solstice, that some would part
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: through the middle of the pillars and light these corridors
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: like that. That's incredible sophistication, that's incredible planning. This understanding
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: of when the sun's coming up exactly. Yeah, the specific
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: time of the year was the longest day of the year,
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: to the knowledge that the sun's moving in the sky,
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: but it'll be back on this day, and this is
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: where it's got to be, So this is where we
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: have to build.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: And they encoded that in stone and they didn't miss.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: They didn't get it off by half a foot or
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: six inches. No, it's like right there, sun in the center,
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: right up the middle, Like, how did you do that? Yeah,
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: how did you do that? You did that while you
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: were hunter gathering, Like what are you talking about? Bananas?
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: In the spring equinox, the sun rises exactly over the
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: center tower of anchor watt perfect. They knew, they knew
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: exactly what was happening, and they built their structures around it,
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: which gets back to the y right, like, yes, how
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: did they build this? It's mind blowing? But why did
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: they build it? Why did they build it the way
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: that they did? Why did they build it where they did?
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: Isn't that incredible?
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: That is bananas?
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: Look at all the people just straight oh, straight up
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: the east side.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: What are the odds? I mean, that's pretty pretty small
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: that you would nail it like that.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: You definitely get fired if you if you were off
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: a little bit.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: That is crazy. It's so crazy, it's so creation.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: Since we're really in tune right now.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: What was it like? I mean, how much time do
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: you spend thinking about what society must have been like?
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: Then?
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: A lot?
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: Almost every day.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: I wonder what humans are like if we're not on
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: this path that we're on, you know, with propaganda and
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: gas lighting and technology and being inundated with just nonsense
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: all the time and wrapped up in materialism and brands
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 2: and bullshit and popularity.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: I think we're in touch with each other. I think
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: we're in touch with the earth. I think we have
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: a deep relationship with God. It's all of the things
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: that people are still searching for today, we just feel
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: fully disconnected from it. And I think that's why these
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: ancient sites are so appealing to people, you know, why
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: people travel all over the world to see them. It
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: creates a sense of wonder and awe in us that
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: very few other things do.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm really fascinated by the Mayan civilization
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: and the timeline of them, because that's another one that's
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: really weird. Yeah, Like, the Mayan structures are so strange.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: That's the only place that have been The only ancient
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: place I've been is chichen Itza, And when you're walking around,
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: you just go, what were these people like? Like, what
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: was it like living here?
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: Were you there when you could still climate?
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, yeah, yeah we went in the nineties. Yeah, no,
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: maybe early two thousands, yeah, early two thousands, and uh,
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 2: it was stunning. It's weird. It feels weird.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of ancient stuff in Mexico. Yeah, the
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: ole Mech things are really mysterious. The Mayan structures, they're
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: myths there, you know, it's it's old in southern Mexico.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: Well, how about the Aztec stuff where they didn't even
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: make those temples? That's what I didn't know. I didn't
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 2: know that until fairly recently.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's no different than the Kamara in Cambodia.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but at least they said it. Yeah, they said
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 2: these are the place where the gods were born. That's
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: how they described it. So we attribute those temples to
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: the Aztecs, but they were like, nope, they were already here. Okay,
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: well but.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: Then who the Incas say the same thing in Peru.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: We didn't build these. These were already here, but we
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: don't listen to them, like you guys don't know what
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: you're talking about. People wrote myths, those are just stories.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: One of the things we talked about the other day
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: was that there's a bunch of different cultures that have
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 2: a timeline of the kings where they ruled for thousands
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: and thousands of years, Like one king ruled for thousands
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: of years, and then you have the flood and then
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 2: you have the ages of these people drops off pretty
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: radically and then becomes a normal age like human beings.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: And we look at that and we go, oh, that, well,
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: that's just myth back then until it's history and it's
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: the same texts like in this same depictions of these
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: kings where they have accepted dates. You know the five
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: thousand year ago, four thousand year ago kings, Well yeah,
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: that guy was real. Yeah, but these other ones that
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: lived for thirty six hundred years, No, that's not real.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: Same with the Jans, like I was talking about earlier,
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: there are twenty four truth and karas. All twenty four
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: have lived, according to the Jains, but archaeology has only
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: recognized the last two of them because those are the
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: only you know, the timelines and their life spans. That
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: kind of fits. But when you talk about the way
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: back days, that's just myth.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: What do they say their timelines were?
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: Oh that, I mean millions of years and the you know,
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: the first tarth and Kara was over a mile tall.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, you know.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: So that it's just but it's consistent across the world.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: The Jans talk about it, the Hindus, the Egyptians, the Sumerians,
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: all the Bible, all of them talk about very long lifespans,
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: giant statures.
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: Is it is it coincidence that all of our ancient
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: myths talk about the same things or might it have
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: been true?
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, then there's the Book of Enoch, which is
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: Anna Paulina Luna turned me onto that. She's like, you
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 2: got to read that, and I've read it twice now
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: I'm like, this is the most bizarre depiction of a
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: human story. The Watchers came down and mate it with
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: the daughters of men and created the Nephilim, who were
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: giants who destroyed and consumed everything and were wiped out
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: by the flood.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: What and the accepted biblical texts barely hinted that they
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: still talk about it, but the extra biblical canon talk
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: the stories are much more like the Book of Enoch. Yea,
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: you know, there's a reason I think that those were
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: excluded from the Bible.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 2: Well, they were excluded by rabbis, I know, because they
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: didn't jive with the Torah, which is hilarious. Like you
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: you get to discover they all were in the same
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: out caves and cumron. Like the version of the Book
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 2: of Enoch was in the same as the Book of Isaiah.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: They were all in the same scrolls. Yeah, I was
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: just like, what how do you guys leave this out?
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: Like you imagine if they taught that at church on Sunday,
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: he'd be like, what are you saying?
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, David and Goliath the watchers. I think
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: it's interesting that you can totally accept that David and
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: Goliath is a real story. And Goliath was a giant
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: in the Bible.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah right, How was he supposed to be there? Couldn't
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: you be like a really big guy from Iceland?
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: I think he was described they described the way that
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: the Hebrews described it is that they made them feel
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: like grasshoppers, The giants, the Nuphalom made them feel. You know,
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: they were like we are as if we are grasshoppers.
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: So I think that they were meant to be very,
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: very large.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: It would be really nice if they found a big
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: foot somewhere.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: Oh my, I love bigfoot.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: Not a big foot, not the Adam mean, like a
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: giant foot, like a stove exactly. Yeah, David and Goliath.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: So who's supposed to be ten feet tall? Often calculators
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: roughly nine to ten feet tall. The thing about that
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: is like, you know, people are full shit and they
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: can make up a story. The guy was so big,
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: he was ten feet tall, But meanwhile he could have
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: been like the mountain from Game of Thrones.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: Totally like a real person and a half feet Any
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: of our basketball players today.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: Who says he was six and a half feet tall.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 2: Scholars the dead Sea scurolls so six cubits and a span,
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 2: often calculators roughly nine to ten feet tall. In the
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: ancient Hebrew text Greek and dead Sea squirrels texts say
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: four cubits and a span, So that's only six and
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: a half to seven and a half feet tall, depending
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: on how the cubit was defined. So that makes sense.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: So who knows nine to ten is pretty big?
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, nine tens big, But if the dead Sea squirrels
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: are correct, then it's only six and a half feet.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 2: So he's a basketball player. Yeah, you know, that's not
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: even a really tall one. Yeah, you know, there's who's
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 2: the biggest basketball player? Now? How tall are they?
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 3: There's a kid that's like fourteen, that's almost eight what
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 3: he's going to make it to the NBA or anything, But.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 2: Just oh my god, that's so crazy. That's so big.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: So you got to imagine, But you got to imagine
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 2: with technology. So they're working right now in life extension technology,
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 2: and they've already figured out a way to reverse the
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: age of skin cells, and they're on their path to
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: being able to stop human aging and maybe potentially even
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: reverse it if that technology becomes implemented.
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 3: Twenty years old though he's actually playing basketball.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: But jeez, so he's bigger than Goliath by a lot.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: Goliathe talks about him right, story about it. He got
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: his ass cake by a basketball player. But if you
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: can imagine this technology being implemented in the future and
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 2: then being refined and then getting to a point where
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 2: they really have it to you know, like like we
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: have with so many medical interventions that we have today,
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: you could get to a point where someone could live
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: to one thousand years or several thousand years. And if
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 2: you're the king, of course you're gonna want that technology,
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 2: and you're also going to be very protected, so you're
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 2: you have to worry about dying in other ways unless
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: somebody usurps you. Yeah, so you can like the Sumerian
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 2: Kings list and some of these, like the zep Teppy lists,
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: you look at that and you go, what are they saying?
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: Like why why was this guy six thousand years old?
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 2: How did he rule the country for thirty thousand years?
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: That sounds insane, But it doesn't sound insane if they
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 2: master biological aging, which is not impossible it's not impossible.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: Not only is it not impossible, they're actively working on
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: technology that's going to allow that to happen in our lifetime.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: You think it's going to happen in our life? Yeah, yeah,
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: the human quest for immortality.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't think that's gonna happen. But I think
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: you're going to extend life. You're going to extend biological
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 2: life in a signific get madder, and maybe for the
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 2: sake of looking at things through rose colored glasses, maybe
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 2: that's a good thing. Because one of the things about
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 2: humans is we barely have enough time to figure out
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 2: how much of life is bullshit while you're wrapped up
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 2: in it. And then if you have responsibilities, you get married,
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: you have a family, you have a mortgage, you have
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 2: a bunch of there's no time to recognize how fruitless
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: a lot of your thinking and behavior, and how stupid
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 2: a lot of the things that people concentrate on. But
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 2: as you get older and older, you get better at it.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 2: I'm way better at it now than I was twenty
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: years ago, way better, way better at life. I would
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 2: imagine them to be better still twenty years from now,
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 2: unless I'm decrepit. So twenty years from now, I could
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: be all worn out and like, you know, my back
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: hurts are get off my lawn. You know, you get stupid.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 2: Not in my backyard, right, you get goofy. You get
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 2: goofy because you get old and sad and you know
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 2: you're not healthy anymore. But if you were eighty years
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 2: old and healthy, like a healthy thirty years.
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: Old, you're why is at that point?
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Well then you have immense amount of life experience totally.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: And then if you live on under one hundred years
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 2: on top of that, you Oh my god, I was
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 2: so stupid when I was eighty. Back when I was eighty,
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: I thought I had it nailed. But now that I'm
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty, now I see.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: The question is if your life span is expected to
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: be two hundred years, then do you work until you're
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty? So does it just expand the
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: stages that we're all going through now and you just
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 1: work longer?
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: Well, it depends on what work is. So if work
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 2: is your love, why not? Right totally? If? Yeah, it
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: really depends on what work is. So if it's hard labor,
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 2: that doesn't sound fun. I don't want to be an
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: eight hundred year old roofer. It seems like, jeez, my
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: hands are ver.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: So you're going to live to twelve hundred years, You've
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: still got a long retirement.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: Well, I think retirement's out the window if you can
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: stay healthy, because the whole idea of retirement is like,
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 2: why are we retiring. We're retiring because we hate our jobs. Okay,
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 2: well maybe if you loved your job, you wouldn't want
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 2: to retire totally. You know, George Carlin died on the road,
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 2: died in a hotel room. I think in Las Vegas.
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: You know, you hear lots of stories of people working
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: their entire careers, retiring and then promptly dying. Oh yeah,
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 1: within six months. They have a heart attack and they die,
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 1: and they had all these big plans and they just
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: never see them through.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they just feel like the end is near and
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 2: that the creeping doom, the existential angst in the back
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 2: of your head is probably contributing to a lot of
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 2: your decay. Yeah, because you've kind of like checked out.
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: You know, that happens a lot with spouses. You know,
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 2: the husband dies and the wife dies shortly thereafter. My grandparents,
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 2: my grandmother died and my grandfather died within a year.
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, that's what happens when the woman dies first.
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so much harder for the man to live
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 1: without her, is it.
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 1: I think so.
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 2: Why is that?
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you think of all the old widows,
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 1: you know, the women live. My grandpa died fifteen years ago,
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 1: and my grandma's ninety three. She's still living. She's still going.
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 2: That's interesting.
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 1: So she knew how to cook for herself and clean
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 1: and things like that. But had it been reversed, I'm
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 1: not sure that he would have lived that long.
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 2: Maybe. So it depends on the relationship. I've seen a
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 2: lot of relationships with older couples where the woman becomes
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 2: like the caretaker. Yeah. I think dudes get dumb or
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 2: quicker when they get older.
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 1: No comment, it is.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 2: Worn out by the time they hit eighty. You know
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 2: a lot of times the wife tells them things like okay,
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 2: you got you're right, you're right, and then they just
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: like fall into that role where the wife is in
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 2: charge of everything.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 1: Have you seen the stats of the expected lifespan of
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 1: a man that's married versus not married, No, Jamie, I
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: don't know. These off the top of my head, but
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 1: they've done studies that talk about basically the lifespan extension
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: that happens with men when they have a woman in
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: their life.
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 2: Is it longer?
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, Well then when there's no woman, then it's
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 2: filled with cocaine and hookers. So that exactly it takes years.
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 1: Off your life and lots of burgers and beer. You know,
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: you're not eating a salad, right.
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 2: It's Loneliness is worse than cigarettes smoking. They found that totally. Yeah,
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 2: Loneliness is like one of the worst things that can
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 2: happen to people. And it you know, really the term
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 2: spirituality is it's kind of tainted in a lot of
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 2: ways because there's a lot of goofy people that use that,
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 2: like I'm not religious, but I'm spiritual. It's the term unfortunately,
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 2: has like a stink to it. Yeah, but there is
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 2: a connection that we have to each other that's not
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 2: as simple as we would like to think, like we
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 2: need each other. We need each other in very profound ways,
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 2: and it's it's actually important for our survival. Yeah, and
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 2: that's why the worst thing they could do to you
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: in prison is put you in solitary confinement.
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 1: We are a pack annimal.
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we're supposed to be connected to each other,
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 2: and it's not a preference thing. That's why when someone
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 2: says like I'm alone or I'm like okay, well either
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 2: you're the only one that's like that, or your full shit,
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 2: or you like you want to pretend you're mysterious, you
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 2: like to be alone. Like we attribute strength to that, like, oh,
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 2: he doesn't need anybody.
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: It's so hard now to build your tribe. You no
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 1: longer live where your grandparents and your parents lived. You
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 1: are out there on your own. You're spending hours on
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: your phone. You have a community that you feel like
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 1: is a community, but it's not. You don't have you
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: don't have a tribe anymore.
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then people find their own tribes and usually
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 2: they're political. Yeah yeah, they get ideological or religious. You know,
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 2: you want to fit in yeah yeah, yeah, and that's
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 2: what we do. I mean, that's why when you see
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: so many people that are religious devotees, like why are
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 2: they willing to do that? Why they wanting to wear
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 2: those clothes, why they willing to act that way? Well,
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 2: it's because everyone's doing it, and you want to be
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 2: a part of it, and there's like some good feeling
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: of community to where everyone's kneeling at the same time
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 2: and saying the same things. There's something to that that
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 2: like's very profound totally with human beings, and if it's
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 2: directed in the wrong way, it could be incredibly destructive.
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 2: But it's directed in the right way, if it's real
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 2: ceremony and real worship and real openness to the cosmos
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 2: and to God and to spirituality, like real true understanding,
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 2: real connection with the universe, then it's probably a lot
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 2: better than the way we're doing it.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: I think that's why the psychedelics are coming back in
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 1: such a huge way. It's people accessing that part of
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 1: themselves that have been shut down their whole lives.
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up, because I think
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 2: that's the missing element and I think that's what probably
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 2: was very prevalent in the ancient times. And this is
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 2: the work of Brian murrh Rescue. I'm sure do you
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 2: know about his stuff the Immortality Key?
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, yes, I did so.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 2: He I actually got super fortunate that my family and
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 2: I were in Greece when he was going to be
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 2: in Greece, and so I got a tour of Ilyssus
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 2: with him. He took me there and he showed me
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 2: all the different places, and it feels so strange. It
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 2: feels so strange, like you're standing in the place where
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 2: these people had these it wascinian mystery ceremonies and it
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 2: just feels weird. Like my family got a little weirded
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 2: out because I was like holding on to it.
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: I was like standing good.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely good, like a connection. It
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 2: felt fucking strange, like I was holding on I was.
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 2: I had my hand on this wall, and my daughter
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 2: was like, okay, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine. I'm
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 2: just I don't want to talk right now. I just
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 2: want to like sit here and try to soak this in.
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 2: Like his daddy upset, like no, no, no, no, no,
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 2: is that because your dad's just like holding a rock.
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 1: It's a little destabilizing for a child.
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 2: I know, Like, Okay, they thought it was cool too,
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 2: but you know, it's hard when you're thirteen or twelve.
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 2: It's hard to like go, oh my god, what a
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 2: special place. They're like, yeah, old old stuff. What are
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 2: we eating?
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 1: Rocks?
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 2: Cool? Yeah, Like we took him to the museum in Athens,
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 2: and one of my daughters loves the museum. The other
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 2: ones couldn't be bothered. She's like a board by it all.
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 2: But I was like, this is crazy, Like these people
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 2: lived two thousand years ago and they made this stuff,
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 2: like Johann Nuts. This is like how did they do this?
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 2: Like what were they doing? Like what was this society?
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 2: Like this is to be able to just see the
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 2: work of people that they've left behind and just imagine
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 2: the amount of time has taken place, and then you
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 2: put yourself back into that timeline and we just assume
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 2: that this way that we are, this is how people are,
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 2: because this is how people are today. It's so hard
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 2: to put your mind into what it's like and what
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 2: it must have been like to live back then.
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 1: If you go to places earlier this year, I went
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: to Easter Island and Peru, and both of them are
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 1: described as the navels of the world, you know, so
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: they have these these origin myths in both of these places.
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 1: And when you're in these places, you have different dreams.
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 1: You sleep really well, you feel just good, you feel
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 1: like you're on peptides, you know, you just feel you're like, oh,
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 1: my gosh, I feel so healthy, I feel healed. And
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 1: so the land itself where they built a lot of
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 1: these ancient places, is powerful, you know. I don't think
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 1: it's a coincidence that we see the Moai and Easter
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 1: Island built around this absolutely incredible place, or Cusco, which
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 1: is such a beautiful place that you see these stone walls.
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 1: I think that they built there because of the energy
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 1: that was there already.
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 2: What do you think was before that? And like what
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: is this timeline? How far does it go back? Like
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 2: what is the origin of sophisticated civilization? Like what is
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 2: the year? When does it all start happening?
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 1: I wonder sometimes if the purpose of building structures like
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 1: that is so people like you ask those questions. That's
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: the whole point is to is to blow our minds
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 1: and get us to think about consciousness and the history
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 1: of our species. The fact that we're sitting there having
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 1: this conversation is because of the stones that were built
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: who knows how long ago, And maybe that was the point.
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 2: It certainly could have been a part of the point,
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 2: because what we're doing today when we talk about our
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 2: society being sick and superficial and silly, all of our structures.
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: Are temporary and they're ugly.
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 2: Well, some of them are cool looking. I think some
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 2: of are cool. Some of them, yeah they're cool. They're
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 2: certainly not anch or wat cool. Yeah, you know they're cool.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 2: But the point is, like they're all essentially temporary. A
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 2: thousand years from now, none of them will exist. They
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 2: will all be absorbed by the Earth. And that's hard
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 2: for people to understand. If you're walking through Manhattan like
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 2: this will always be Nope, Nope, nope, they won't. It won't.
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 2: If everybody's just left and you came back five thousand
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 2: years from now, they wouldn't be shit here. Yeah. So
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 2: then it leads me to this question the timeline that
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 2: we're looking at. If you're looking at pre flood timeline,
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 2: you know, eleven and twelve thousand years ago, things arehisticated.
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's way longer than that, because if you have
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 2: one hundred thousand years of super sophisticated civilization, what does
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 2: that look like? What do people look like then? And
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 2: this is one of the things that people are proposing
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 2: when they look at anatomically modern human beings, So anatomically
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 2: modern human beings and then not these peru skulls. But whatever,
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 2: just you and I are, they've pushed that back now
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 2: to one million years. So okay, why did it take
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 2: so long before people just like you and I figured
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 2: out agriculture, figured out civilization, figured out cities.
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 1: What were we doing now?
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 2: What was going on? And is it possible that it's
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 2: just when you go back that far, you don't find anything.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 2: You don't find anything that seems more likely to me.
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 2: And when you look at the immense erosion that Ben
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 2: van Kirkwick has pointed out to the really the older
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 2: stones in Egypt where you can clearly see they've built
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 2: on top of them on the outside. I mean, you
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 2: see this intense erosion, like this is tens of thousands
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 2: of years of erosion. Well, what if it's one hundred thousand,
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 2: what the fuck is left? What if it's two hundred thousand.
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 1: What's left from one hundred thousand years ago? Maybe some stones,
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 1: myths and spiritual traditions or ten thousand years ago. That's
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 1: the only thing that makes it through cataclysms, the human stories,
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 1: spiritual traditions, and these megalithic stones.
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 2: And a real cataclysm. If you're talking about the destruction
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 2: of civilization, itself. How many of those people even know
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 2: the stories? How many live? How many scholars survive the apocalypse?
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 2: How many? I mean, we know that seventy thousand years
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 2: ago the Toba volcano, the supervolcano wipe people out down
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 2: to the point with less than one hundred thousand people
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 2: on Earth, just seventy thousand years ago, right, one hundred
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 2: thousand people.
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 1: We have been on the brink so many times.
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine, like one Eagles football game, right, take
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 2: that crowd, that's the entire population of Earth now right,
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 2: one packed ut game. That's everybody on Earth, and now
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 2: we have to branch and go to China and go
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 2: to Africa and go everywhere. That's all the people on Earth.
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: That just shows how amazing and resilient we are.
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and also fragile, you know. And also it really
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 2: it really shines a light on the preposterous nature of
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 2: the conventional timeline. It really does, because it's like, look, guys,
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 2: there's so much evidence that there's holes in the story.
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 2: At what point in time do you stop and say,
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 2: a lot of these people did great work, and they
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 2: made these conclusions based on the understanding that they had
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 2: at the time, But as time has gone on, there's
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 2: come a point where we have to reevaluate this. And
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 2: if you don't reevaluate it, you can lose all the
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 2: respect of the people that are paying attention, because there's
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 2: too many people that are looking at this and saying, Hey,
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 2: no one's discounting or discrediting your work. No one's saying
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 2: you're a bad person, you know, no one's saying you're
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 2: an idiot. It's like, this is what we knew back then.
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 2: But to say that this is all we know and
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 2: any new information, as profound as it might be, like
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 2: one point two kilometer structures underneath the Great Pyramids, like
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that you're an idiot. It just means
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 2: that this is an ongoing thing. It's not done. Yep,
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 2: we haven't figured it out yet, and we're not going
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 2: to for a long ass time. This is a long trek.
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 2: And as light are improves, and as the radio tomography
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 2: and all these different things that they come up with,
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 2: and then imagine the advance is ten twenty thirty years
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 2: from now in their ability to look like, look at
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 2: Sub Saharan Africa. Very little expedition has been done there
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 2: and they're like, what.
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 1: Let's light our sub Saharan Africa.
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 2: There's whales there.
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 1: I've seen the whales. Whales, yeah, okay, so we're incredible.
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 2: What the fuck you find whales in the desert? Okay?
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 2: What else is out there? Is there a city under
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 2: all that shit?
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 3: What is that?
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 2: Like? What what is in there?
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 1: You know what's funny though, You can reveal cities under
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 1: the jungle and nobody talks about it, right, you know
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 1: they they just did that in Cambodia, and it's not
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 1: headline news around the world that their entire cities being
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 1: found in the Amazon jungle or in Cambodia. It just
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 1: is one quick headline and then everybody ignores it.
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 2: Well, it's good for us because it gives us great
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 2: podcast content, like it's the only way people can find
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 2: out about it. And again, it's science. The light ar
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 2: scans of the Amazon are spectacular, incredible, and you look
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 2: at it and you go, oh my god, there was
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 2: probably millions of people living here. This is not like
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 2: a bunch of tribal people that are shooting bows and
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 2: arrows all the time.
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 1: They are engineering the rainforest. Ah ah.
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 2: And it's just the fact that more people aren't talking
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 2: about this is a little stunning to me, but I
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 2: just think they don't get informed. And then they also assume,
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 2: you know, you see some YouTube headline that's got big
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 2: fancy font and you know people are older than we think,
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 2: Like I'll go on, I went to Cambridge, fuck off.
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 1: And you have a lot of AI stuff out there
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 1: that's just complete bogus. Yeah, so you know, it's hard
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 1: to know what.
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 2: The truth is, sure, And then there's a lot of
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 2: weird stuff like the Sage Wall in Montana. I've watched
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 2: some videos on that. I'm not convinced. I think that
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 2: might be a weird geological formation. Yeah, but it doesn't
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 2: look like it. Parts of it really look like it
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 2: stack stones.
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 1: I think that. You know, during the Ice Age in
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 1: North America, it was an extremely harsh time with walls
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 1: of ice. Right, so if the Younger Dry has happened
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 1: the way that I believe it happened, North America would
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 1: have been just almost wiped clean. You know. If so,
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 1: if there were ancient structures here, they probably didn't survive
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 1: the way that they did in Egypt and other places
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 3: Certainly not under the glaciers I just found, which you
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 3: find I see the middle of the desert here. Yeah,
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 3: I'm going to zoom in. Desert, desert, desert, desert, desert
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 3: right right until whoa an ancient fortress?
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 1: How old is it? Draw how they say it is?
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 3: No one knows what it is?
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 1: What?
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah they don't they assuming that maybe uh.
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 3: As a hiding place for Jews when they're being persecuted
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 3: and taken out of there. But according to this no explanation,
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 3: it's just in the middle of the desert.
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa, just in them.
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 3: Look at the dunes.
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 2: Imagine if it didn't just blowing up, imagine deciding to
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 2: build there nowhere?
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 1: Why did they build one?
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 3: Else is around it? And you know what's hiding underneath
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 3: next to it?
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 2: God, what did it look like when it was first built?
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 2: And what is it made out of? Sand stone? What
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 2: is it made?
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 1: It said sand and clay, which means it's probably it
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 1: probably is newer.
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just hiding under the desert and then in the
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 3: middle of nowhere, and no one, I've never heard of
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 3: it being brought up on here by anybody.
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 1: One big sandstorm and that thing's gone right buried.
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 2: Look at all the sand. Well, the crazy thing is
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 2: think that that sand was all jungle, and before that
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 2: it was ocean. I know, it's it's so insane.
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 1: Seeing the whales in the middle of the desert is
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 1: a surreal experience.
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 2: Surreal. Have you seen him in person? Yeah? Oh yeah,
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 2: what is that?
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 2: How close they let you get?
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, you just walk right up to them. There's just
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 1: like little rocks on the ground outlining the skeletons. Yeah. Wow,
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 1: but it's you know, when we were driving out there,
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 1: they were they had securities concerns, so we had a
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 1: security car in front of ours than ours and one
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 1: behind us.
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 2: Look how bonker's that is.
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like dragons. It's just otherworldly.
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 2: It's so neat. That's so crazy.
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 1: It's a long drive though, it's like a whole day.
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 2: Well, the dragons thing is a weird one because this
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 2: is one of the things that the view made fun
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 2: of me of said he believed in dragons, was saying that,
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 2: so I played I changed all of the headings of
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 2: my social media account dragon believer because that's so funny.
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 1: But you and millions of other people around the world,
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 1: and almost every ancient civilization believed in dragons.
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 2: It's very odd. It's very odd. That they all have
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 2: this story of these ancient serpents, but also they were
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 2: really bad at their depictions of actual things. And one
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 2: of the things that I pointed out to Jamie was
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 2: when I visited Italy a few years ago, I went
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 2: to this really old church and they had this stone
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 2: mosaic artwork that was of Noah And was it Noah
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 2: in the Whale? No Jonah Joan and the Whale. I
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 2: think that's what it was. But this whale does not
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 2: look like a whale. It looks really weird. It's this
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 2: really weird looking thing that's supposed to represent a whale.
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 2: Why because they never saw a whale, So like they're
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 2: they're making their own version.
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 1: Of what w stories.
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, see if you find that. I know it's
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 2: on my Instagram, super old. I think it was probably
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 2: ten years ago. But whatever the fuck that is? Like, Okay,
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 2: that's how they that's it?
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 1: Like, look at that thing in that dope that doesn't
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 1: look like a whale right at all? Right, but looks
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 1: like a griffin.
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like some kind of a monster that
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 2: was in the ocean. So this is like their version
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 2: of describing what a whale looks like. Right, So when
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 2: they're describing dragons, like what are they really describing? Do
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 2: they actually fly? Or are we talking about like crocodiles,
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 2: Like what are we talking about? Are we talking about
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 2: like some sort of extinct dinosaurs that survived and then
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 2: you know they only made it for a few thousand
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 2: years because there's things that we know existed during the
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 2: human timeline that they just don't exist anymore. They went extinct,
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 2: you know, giants, loths, for instance. There's a bunch of
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 2: North American animals sixty five percent in fact, of all
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 2: North American megafauna didn't make it after the younger dries impact.
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 2: So what is the serpent? What is the dragon? Like?
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 2: Why is why did China have one? Why does Japan
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 2: have one? Why does Eastern European have one? Why does
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 2: so many ancient cultures talk about this one specific thing
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 2: and the Bible references it like thirty four times.
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 1: What's interesting, though, is in most of the ancient civilizations,
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 1: the serpents or the dragons are meant to be guardian figures, right,
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 1: so they were presented in a positive light, they weren't evil.
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 1: But in the Bible the serpent is actually the trickster
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 1: you know, so it's one of the only traditions in
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 1: the ancient world where the serpent is. It suggested that
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 1: the serpent is evil in Eve in that depiction, you know,
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 1: he tricked Eve. Yeah, but in front of all of
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 1: the temples in Cambodia there are giant naga, which is
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 1: like the seven or nine headed snakes, and they guard
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 1: the liminal space between the outside world and the temples,
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 1: so that that's their purpose right there. When you see
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 1: a naga, it means you're entering, you're entering a temple,
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 1: you're entering the zone of the gods. So it was
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 1: always positive except for in ancient Christianity.
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 3: The King James version is the version that says the dragon,
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 3: but it's probably a translation.
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 2: Issue maybe interesting so sea monster serpent translated in many
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 2: modern versions has jackal, sea creature or monster, depending on
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 2: the context, but dragon often renders Hebrew terms like tanin
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 2: which is a sea monster, a serpent?
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 1: Interesting, fire breathing reptiles.
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 2: But it's just like, what were they like, why were
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 2: there so many versions of this? Was that a real thing?
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 2: And is it a real thing? From eleven thousand years ago?
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 2: Is it realing from twenty thousand years ago, fifty thousand
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 2: years ago, and again when it comes to the fossil record,
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 2: like how much evidence would there be of that thing existing? Right,
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 2: they didn't even find dinosaurs until like what seventeen hundreds
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 2: or something, right, Yeah, whenever it was. And then there's
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 2: a lot of people that think dinosaurs are fake, which
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 2: is fun.
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 1: There's all sorts of rabbit holes you can go down,
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 1: a lot fun.
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 2: Well, they have a point in that a lot of
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 2: what you go to see in the museum is not
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 2: an actual dinosaur skeleton. It's a recreation totally. Yeah, because
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 2: the actual skeletons are probably somewhere else. That is a fact.
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 2: And then it's also the fact that they take like
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 2: portions of it and then they recreate what's missing and
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 2: then create a skeleton.
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 1: Make a lot of assumptions.
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of assumptions. Yeah, Well, this is
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 2: why in the Science Museum in Bozeman, Montana. We talked
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 2: about this before. I went there with my kids once,
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 2: and they have a raptor and on one side of
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 2: the raptor, it's what we think of like from Jurassic Park,
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 2: that it had like scaly skin like a lizard and
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 2: the other side it's covered in feathers burt, which is yeah,
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 2: this is the alternative perspects.
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 3: Is gus the most complete uh dinosaurized t rex skeleton?
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 3: Sixty one percent complete and it is for sale right now?
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 2: Oh how much does that cost?
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 3: Do you want to guess?
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah? No more more you're taking it's did they're going
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 2: up eighty million?
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's the I think they expected is
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 3: somewhere in the sixty five to eighty million range.
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 2: Whoa, And it's sixty percent complete, sixty one percent, so
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 2: that means you're getting thirty nine percent bullshit when you
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 2: buy it.
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 3: I think they've just left some of it out.
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 2: I don't Oh, they filled it in all, okay, so
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 2: that's what's left. That's actually what's so there's some stuff
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 2: missing done little arms he does they're right there. See
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 2: there's some okay, some some stuff, some ribs and shit.
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 2: That looks pretty I don't know, it looks pretty complete.
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 2: That looks pretty complete. That's sick. There was a house
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 2: that I looked at that was for sale in Malibu once,
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 2: and in the house they it came with a dinosaur.
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 2: If you paid an extra million dollars, you get to
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 2: keep the dinosaur.
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 1: Really.
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they had a raptor skeleton.
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 1: That seems expensive.
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 2: It was a little high, a little high, well, the
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 2: house was a little high. It was. It's probably with
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 2: fifty bucks now, nobody wants to live there.
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of times about what it would
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 1: feel like to be hunted from the sky, right, the pterodactyls. Yeah,
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 1: sometimes you'll be hiking in the desert and you'll see,
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 1: you know, a hawk will fly over you and you'll
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 1: get that shadow. Yeah, and just imagine if it's just
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 1: this massive hunter just coming for you. Nothing you can do.
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 2: Right When did those die off too?
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 3: Gus has some bite marks on his ribs.
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 2: WHOA, that's crazy. I wonder if that's post mortem fossilized
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 2: bite marks.
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that could have been somebody scavenging him.
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it could have been. So Trinity is so the
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 2: So it's valued between twenty million and thirty million, the
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 2: highest presale estimate ever placed on dinosaur at auction.
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 3: I think there's always some higher bids than that, though.
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 2: Currently I bet there's a lot of dorks out there
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 2: with a lot of money. I want that shit in
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 2: the house next week.
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 1: People love to touch history.
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Elon's probably gonna have that shit at SpaceX.
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 1: Oh do you want to touch some history?
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, okay, I brought you a little show and tell.
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, exciting.
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 1: So I grew up in western Nebraska on a giant
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 1: corn farm. This is called a Jimmy Allen point. This
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 1: is ninety five hundred years old. Whoa, it's a spear point.
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 1: So it was being chipped basically when go Beckley Teppy
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 1: was at the height of its building. Wow, eighty five
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 1: hundred to ninety five hundred years old. My grandpa had
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 1: a load of rock delivered to his house and that
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 1: was in it. So they would dredge this this river
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 1: rock from the rivers the Platte River and deliver it
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 1: to your house. And he found that in his yard.
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 1: Holy shit, isn't that an incredible experience to touch it.
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 2: That's amazing. I don't know how old this one is,
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 2: but this is from here.
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 1: Oh yes, that's a pretty good one.
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 2: This is actually better.
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 1: This one's really That one's substantially older than this. Yeah,
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 1: I bet this is two thousand years old. That one's
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 1: almost ten.
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna show you something else. It's just a
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 1: part of one, but this is part of a fulsome
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 1: point which is twelve thousand, seven hundred years old, so
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 1: that was definitely created to hunt something that's extinct. Now
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 1: you can see the flute up the middle and the
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 1: look at the work on the sides of it.
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's crazy.
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 1: It's the most incredible stone work. And see that over
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 1: time it went from Clovis to Folsom and then down
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 1: the line two points like this, and it just you know,
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 1: became Yeah, so those this would have looked like that
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 1: if it was full. Wow, you're seeing the central flute
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 1: on this one. But both of these were found out.
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 2: On my farm. That's pretty amazing. Yeah.
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 1: I saw you talking to Taylor Sheridan about arrowheads and
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 1: I thought to myself, I wonder if Joe would like
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 1: to hold a ninety five hundred ye old spear point.
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 2: Well I did love it. Thank you, Thank you for
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 2: letting me hold that. That's pretty dope. It's pretty incredible
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 2: too when you think about the history of North America,
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 2: that when Europe and China and all these other parts
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 2: of the world had developed sophisticated civilizations and machines and
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 2: all these different things, and these people were living a
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 2: very nomadic hunter gatherer life like essentially in the Stone
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 2: Age all the way up to the sixteen seventeen hundreds until.
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  Speaker 1: Except for some of the mounds. So some of the
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 1: mound structures like in Louisiana, I think those are about
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 1: nine thousand years old, I believe. And those are massive
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  Speaker 1: platforms right like earthworks that are almost at least unexplainable
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  Speaker 1: for why they would have built them. And that was
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  Speaker 1: pretty old blood. I don't think any of them have
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  Speaker 1: been dated to pre flood.
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  Speaker 2: So this is post flood. Whoever was here? So if
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 2: people lived here, So the White Sands, New Mexico footprints.
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  Speaker 1: Are all pre flood, that's twenty three thousand.
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  Speaker 2: Ye one. Thing's interesting those people are barefoot, right, So
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 2: the question is like, what was sophisticated civilization like in
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  Speaker 2: North America then, because it seems like North America in particular,
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  Speaker 2: because of the fact that up until eleven thousand years
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  Speaker 2: ago was covered in ice, most of North America was
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  Speaker 2: covered in like a mile high of ice. It's so
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 2: hard for us to think Chicago gone. Can you imagine
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 2: Yea gone, Montana gone, Yeah, everything's gone, Colorado gone. Yeah,
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 2: everything's completely covered in a mile of ice, and then
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 2: eleven thousand years ago, it all goes away real quick,
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 2: and then you have the Great Lakes, Yeah, which is
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 2: so strange. And then if you look at Randall Carlson
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  Speaker 2: has done an amazing job of like sort of illuminating
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 2: like what kind of a mass of water it would
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 2: have sent rushing through the entire country at the time
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 2: that these things were almost instantaneously melted. Like how insane
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 2: that must have been if huge asteroidal impacts slammed into
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 2: these ice caps.
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  Speaker 3: Two miles of ice looks like next to a city.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's so crazy. That everything that we
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 2: see when you drive through Kansas and Nebraska and Iowa,
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 2: all that was under all that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, my husband's from North Idaho, and you can see
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 1: the all of the ancient remains of these lakes, you know,
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 1: these ice dams that burst, yeah, just float over the landscape.
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 1: And I think Randall Carlson is especially gifted in describing
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 1: these events making it real for us.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he's obsessed and he spent so much. When I
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 2: met him, I met him in Georgia. I did a
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  Speaker 2: show in Atlanta, and I met him like two thousand
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 2: and five, or something like that, and he was explaining
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 2: it to me back then, and I had never heard
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 2: that before. I was like, what that was my first
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 2: introduction to the younger drives impact theory. And that's when
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 2: it started putting all the pieces together. Okay, well that's
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 2: what ended civilization. That's the and that and now that
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 2: we know that that's a real event because of course samples,
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 2: because you know they've been find they find layers of iridium,
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 2: which is very common in space, very rare on Earth,
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 2: and these micro diamonds that appear when you have impacts
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 2: the Black matt They know that it happened. So some
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 2: big events happened. I think they think eight hundred years ago,
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 2: and then I think again, like ten thousand years ago.
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 2: They think it happened more than once. Yeah, what kind
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 2: of makes sense that it took so long for civilization
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 2: to re emerge.
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And the question is did that civilization that was
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 1: alive at the time know that it was coming right
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 1: and what did they do to prepare right or could
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 1: they be And did they know that probably the only
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 1: thing that was going to be left after that is stone?
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 1: So what is encoded in that stone for us to
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 1: read today?
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the weirdness of things like Egypt when you
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 2: look at the pyramids and the dimensions and how the
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 2: dimensions align with the you know, the dimensions of the
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 2: Earth and the distances to the moon, and yeah, it's all.
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 2: The whole thing's very weird. It's very weird.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like coincidence. No, it seems like they
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 1: knew exactly what they were doing. And what is the
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 1: you know, the one language that's going to survive. Geometry, math, right,
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 1: astrologysal stones are the things that are going to survive.
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 1: I have myths right, so that it's messages being passed
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 1: down to us today and now people are looking and
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 1: paying attention and just it's it's a complete obsession for me.
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know how anybody thinks of anything else besides
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 1: ancient history once I get amazing, Yeah, I mean too amazing.
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  Speaker 2: It's certainly a puzzle. And if it wasn't for people
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 2: like you and other people that are doing similar things,
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 2: most people would be very blissfully unaware of how nuts
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 2: the actual physical history of the Earth is.
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep. And you know, until recently, a lot of this.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, people couldn't travel around the world. They
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 1: couldn't they couldn't read scripts that weren't in their language.
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 1: Archaeologists were exploring sites and their papers were going to
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 1: the universities, and so we didn't have the opportunity to
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 1: see these global patterns the way that we do now
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 1: to link I see the same thing in Egypt that
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 1: I see in India, Like this thousand ton statue is
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 1: in India and it's also in Egypt. What about these walls,
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 1: They're the same. I don't think it was as easy
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 1: to do that back in the day. You know, even
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 1: the people that were deep into the research in Egypt
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 1: and the eighteen hundreds, they weren't traveling to Peru. So
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 1: we are at a very unique time in history where
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 1: we can look across all of it, especially in the
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 1: next ten years when we're leveraging AI and other technologies
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 1: from space based scanning or whatever. I think it's going
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 1: to fundamentally change the way that we view the history
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 1: of the world.
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  Speaker 2: I think so too, And so thank you, thank you
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 2: for being here, thank you for your channel, and thank
• 2:33:41
  Speaker 2: you for all your interest in this because it's absolutely fascinating.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for having me on.
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  Speaker 2: This was so fun. My pleasure. Let's do it again, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: we'd love that, all right, Thank you, bye everybody.