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Trail Randos & Gym Randos? · Brilliant Minds?

• Olivia: Hello everyone, welcome back to another rabbit trail, our favorite time of day and recording. I'm gonna start us off because I have a story that I've been withholding. Okay. Andrea: Do it. I cannot wait. Ugh! Olivia: So this is so fun, like we like withhold things from each other, which is not like us just to get a Andrea: I know. Olivia: live reaction from the other person. Okay. So this week, I somehow miraculously convinced my daughter to go on a hike. Great. Get on on a hike. It's a long way away. Really remote. No cell service, right? Beautiful hike. Barely any people there. We're on our way back. She's doing unbelievable. and all of a sudden I start smelling pot. And I'm like, Okay, clearly we're about to like see somebody on the trail. And at the the there's this like tiny little part of the trail that's like a couple of switchbacks. And so I'm like, Andrea: Mm mm. Olivia: my guess is we're about to like pass some people and I'm also like, why are you you know Okay, smoking pot on a hype, whatever, okay. These two guys come around the bin. They're like probably my age-ish. They're both carrying beers. in one hand, beers in one hand, Andrea: Okay. Okay. Olivia: one's shirtless, and then their vapes in their other hand. Andrea: Gosh, vapors? Okay. At least have a self-road joint and make it an event. Sorry. Olivia: it's getting it's gonna get worse. Andrea: no. Olivia: And then they see us, they're like, huh, like we just wanted to bring like some fun sodas on the hike. Like immediately Andrea: They just said that. Olivia: Yeah. You know normally you're like, like good morning, like Hi, hi, you know. That's all you say. That's I mean I I don't even hike and I know that that's one one. But literally Andrea: Yeah. It it's hiker yeah. That's what you do. Yeah. Olivia: the second they come around the corner and I have my daughter in front of me, 'cause you are like single file, right? I can't see her Andrea: Yeah. Olivia: behind me. So I have her in front. Andrea: huh. Olivia: Come around the corner and be like, we just wanted to have like some fun sodas for the hike. And I'm like, okay. As we're passing them, the guy who's shirtless, holding a beer with a vape, open carry pistol clipped right on the side of his shorts. Andrea: What? Would you think you were gonna encounter a bear? Olivia: Yeah, so I'm Andrea: With a beer? Isn't that illegal? Olivia: I wish. Andrea: Wait, I g Okay, continue. I'm so mad. Olivia: I'm mad too. I'm with my daughter. No cell service in the middle of nowhere with two guys clearly drunk vaping one without a shirt and a gun. Andrea: That's terrifying to see. Olivia: Right? So like we keep going and like a little bit later my daughter's like, Hey, can you pick me up? And I was like, Yeah and I'm thinking to myself, like, perfect because like I'd have to pick you up and run anyways. Right? Andrea: Mm, mm. Olivia: We keep going. Next we like pass some people and they're really friendly. And I'm like, Do I like warn them? Andrea: Mm. That's a great question. Olivia: Am I being like too heavy handed? Andrea: I would. I'd just be like, Hey, heads up, there's some drunk guys walking around and they're carrying. Just be be safe. And I'd move on. Olivia: I thought like I I thought about it. And I think Andrea: Mm-hmm. Olivia: the reason why I didn't is because I didn't feel like I could tell them the critical information without my daughter asking the million questions and then being really freaked out. Andrea: That's a really good point. Olivia: And I got Andrea: Yeah. Olivia: back and I told Michael and I was Andrea: Uh-huh. Olivia: like, I yeah I was like not expecting this. He's like, Well, Andrea: Yeah. Olivia: I mean it is bear season, so like maybe it's for like a bear and I was like, Okay, you wanna open carry, don't like that, that makes me really uncomfortable, fine, whatever. A bear, okay, sure. If you were honestly scared of a bear, why would you be drinking and under the like influence of substances? I mean like, better Andrea: Yeah. Yeah. Olivia: pack this in case of a bear. Like clearly you don't actually care. Andrea: Also swear Also isn't Washington a concealed carry only state? Feel like I feel like it is. We're gonna learn some gun knowledge. Olivia: Yeah, we got back to the parking lot. There were more cars there when we left. Andrea: no, it is open k you do not need a permit to openly carry a firearm. Olivia: What I was pretty sure of but I didn't know I d I didn't wanna like yeah. Andrea: well where open carry is prohibited is libraries, zoos, outdoor events, airports, local parks. So I guess technically no. Olivia: 'Cause it's an outdoor area. Andrea: Yeah. Damn, that's so that would freak me out. No. Olivia: Keep in mind the last time I went on a hike was When I was pregnant, so like five years ago. It's been a Andrea: Mm yeah. Olivia: long time. Andrea: And that's your reintegration? Shit. Olivia: I know, and it was like it honestly was the best day. I had the most like Andrea: Yeah. Olivia: ridiculous conversations with my daughter, like silly goofy ones and like Andrea: Mm. Olivia: like really like deep, like cute ones and the hike was beautiful and she did amazing and I was like really proud of her for doing it. And I like figured out some ways to like I think probably get her on more hikes because ice cream. and Andrea: Duh. Olivia: yeah. We ta I we I told her we talked about like what a tradition means. Andrea: Mm, okay. Olivia: And so I was like, well maybe we could have a tradition that like every time we go on a hike, we can get ice cream after. Like it's a tradition. It's our hiking tradition. She's like, Andrea: Yeah, I love it. Olivia: I really like that. And then we got home, pr that was her favorite part of the day, was going on a hike and getting ice cream. And then she's like, Andrea: Okay. Olivia: mommy, like we didn't get any ice cream for dad. And I was like, you're right. Well, it is a tradition, so if we wanna all get ice cream together, like maybe we need to go on a hike all together. She's like, yeah, we should do that. I know. But then there was a motherfucker with a gun. Andrea: I don't think that's the norm on hikes. So Olivia: No, I know, but I was like, I I'm not gonna go down like this. Like this is not this Andrea: No. Olivia: is not my story. So I'm gonna just like skip to the next chapter. Okay, thanks. Andrea: No, yeah. I that's so aggressive. Like just the whole situation. Like no shirt, beers, d weed, and n you know, just that alone would be aggressive to me. Olivia: Well okay Andrea: And then put a gun on top of that? Olivia: well okay also like keep in mind Like there's another like power differential there because there's two guys and there's me Andrea: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Olivia: and a child. Andrea: Right. Olivia: Like a woman and a small girl. Andrea: Yeah. Olivia: So even if they didn't have the gun and they were drinking Andrea: Right. Olivia: and smoking Andrea: Yeah. And Olivia: It's still unsafe for me and my child. Andrea: and what a thing to say, we just wanted special sodas on a high Didn't need any commentary on that. You could have just said good morning and kept walking. So clearly inebriated to some level. Olivia: Exactly. Like they were like very like giggly about it and I was like, Y'all are stupid. Andrea: my Lanta. Olivia: Right. I I also could have told you i Okay, again, when we got back to the parking lot, there weren't a lot of cars. I could have told you with complete confidence which car was theirs because it was the most beat-up tiny truck I've ever seen in my freaking life. And it had like a small like antler skull. thing mounted. Not to like their Andrea: This is not real. You are making this up now. Olivia: I I I w I wish I was Andrea: Where was this hike? Olivia: Ha. Andrea: In deming? Like what? Olivia: It was it was like I think the address is technically Granite Falls, which like that kind of fits the vibe, but it was off the Mountain Andrea: okay. Olivia: Loop Highway. There's like a ton of hikes off the Moon Lo moun Mountain Loop Highway. And I've like done some of them. And Andrea: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Olivia: they're really beautiful and great, and I've like I've never yeah, I've Andrea: it's gorgeous area. Yeah. Olivia: ne I've never run across anything like that before. It was like I mean I've I think I've come across once where I was hiking this is when I was like a teenager. I was with a group of friends and we were hiking this trail and there was this guy like smoking. Like clearly smoking. But like, Andrea: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Olivia: whatever. Okay, fine. Andrea: Feel like one substance, I'm good. Olivia: Yeah, one's just there's Andrea: Pick one. Olivia: there's too many substances building up in this scenario. And then the like skull antler situation mounted to your like beat up truck. Andrea: my gosh, that's so funny. Olivia: Yeah, the funniest thing is like after a little bit my daughter was like he wasn't wearing a shirt? What? Like that was the thing that stuck out to her. Which Andrea: That right. Olivia: like hilarious to me because I'm like running through all these like scenarios of like Andrea: Yeah. Olivia: Will my phone work with satellite? Like how fast can I run with my child? Like, Andrea: Mm. Olivia: how much do I like check my bat? Like, do I warn Andrea: Right. Olivia: people that I like all these things and she's like He's like not wearing a shirt. Like you could do that. Andrea: She's like, that's kinda cool. Olivia: She's like, this this guy is weird. And I'm like, you don't even know the half of it. Like you can't even you can't even comprehend all the things I'm like thinking through right now. Andrea: Right, right. Olivia: Yeah. So Andrea: I love little brains. Olivia: that was my story I had to share with you for my week. That was wild. Andrea: Wow, that was absolutely not what I thought you were saving for me today. Olivia: I know. I it's a lot to drop on you, but here we are. Andrea: That's so funny. It just like sometimes I forget that people exist like that. Olivia: I think you like want to, you know? Like I want to. Andrea: yeah. Like yeah. And it'll it'll go into your memory bank and then you probably will forget about it for a really long time and then somebody will say something about, you know, carrying a gun on the hike and you'll be like Olivia: And my Spidey senses tingle. Andrea: Bing Bong from inside out will be like, Hey, here's this one. Olivia: Yeah. Andrea: Hey, you need to remember this. Olivia: Seriously. Yeah. Andrea: Gosh. Olivia: Yeah. What do you got for me that's probably like way lighter than that story? Andrea: You know what? That derailed me so much that I don't know if I have anything. Which is crazy. Olivia: I scared you blank. Andrea: no, I remember one. I also encountered, actually, this is kind of related, surprisingly. Well, not surprisingly, because we're good at that. I had a gym encounter that was kind of along these lines. I also had the weirdest gym encounter day. Did I tell you about this? Olivia: I think you told me about one of the things you're probably gonna mention, so I'm not gonna ruin it. But Andrea: Okay, well, let me s let me start off with the whole experience. I'll give I'll give the audience the whole vibe of the day. I go to a big box gym, like a 24-hour fitness style gym. Not my favorite. I prefer little small ones, but this is what I got. There are a plethora of weirdos at this gym, as I think I've told you. like the people that were holding hands during the entire workout. That gives me so much of the ick. They were also like Laying down on the floor, they were there today. They were like laying down on the floor holding hands and doing like a hamstring stretch. And I was like, Why are you holding hands? Anyways, there's those those weirdos. Olivia: I barely even hold hands with my like spouse normally. Andrea: yeah, we don't hold hands at all. We will like do this. For those of you who are listening, I just took one finger and held the pointer finger of my other hand. That's what me and my husband will do. Olivia: Got it. Hand touching out. Okay. Andrea: Yes. Anyways, so that's one thing. And then there was a gentleman there that had the most George of the Jungle style blonde wig I have ever seen in my life. Olivia: Wig Andrea: Wig str it was so obviously a wig, like and a not a good one, because there was like a gap in the front, kinda like a you could see like the if the wind was picking up it would like flop a little bit and it was pulled back into a ponytail and it was super nappy and I was like you are rocking it, dude. Olivia: Those are the instances where my immediate thought is, Were you dared to do this? Like did you lose a bet? Andrea: I would have thought that if I hadn't have seen him multiple times. Olivia: That's it. Andrea: And different days. Yeah. So there's that guy. He also wears like gaucho pants. Do we all remember gaugeau pants? Olivia: Yeah, I don't I don't wanna remember. Andrea: Yeah, he was wearing gaucho pants. and then Olivia: I nev I never want to wear those again. I just no, we need to stop on gaujo pants for a second. I Andrea: Ha ha ha. Olivia: never want to put that style of pant on my body ever. And I could die happy if I never see that style Andrea: Right. Olivia: of pant on anyone else. Andrea: Yeah. They're coming back, unfortunately. Noted. Olivia: They're not. Andrea: I will not show up at your house in gaucho pants next time. No, I wouldn't. No, I wouldn't. I couldn't. I couldn't. I could go down a whole Olivia: No. You wouldn't anyways. I know you well enough. You would never you would never in a million years wear capto pants. Okay, anyways. So he wears Andrea: gaucho pan rabbit hole, but I'm not going to. So there was that guy. And then there Olivia: Yeah. Andrea: was a guy there. who I have a whole theory about in my head. my theory is that he is a drag queen on the weekends. and that comes from the workouts that he does. There are a lot of splits happening. there's a lot of gyrating happening. very strange leg spaghetti that I don't know how a man of that size can do. Olivia: what what do you mean but what are leg spaghetties? Andrea: I couldn't even describe it to you. Somehow his legs Olivia: Guys. Andrea: were all somewhat in a knot. They looked like spaghetti. There's one leg on top of another leg with the other leg on the that came back around. And on this particular day, he was wearing a baseball hat that was also that was also a disco ball. And then to top it all off, I head over to cool down on the turf area where there's like a jungle gym. And all of a sudden I walk up and there's like a a thing leaning against one of the poles, and this guy comes up and he slaps it. And I was like, Duck. Just slaps this thing down on the ground. It slams on the ground. I was like, okay, I'm gonna stay away from you. And then he I realized that he's wearing flip-flops, and I was like, that's odd. You know, the gym policy is that you have closed toed shoes, but all right, you do you boo. And with with not even socks with flip-flops. The raw dogging s flip-flops, like normal person, sort of. And then I noticed that he's got a massive beer can. And I'm talking old school Budweiser tall boy. Big boy. And he's just sucking down a Budweiser. He also is probably about my height and is not white. And he's got a shirt with an American flag with a whole bunch of guns on it. and it says in in God we trust on it. And then he jumps up and starts doing the craziest monkey bar swings I have ever seen. In bare feet. With his dogs all out, drinking a beer. Olivia: But he had to put the beer down to do the monkey bars, right? Andrea: He did one set without it and one set in the other hand. It this was insane. Like everything like what? Olivia: This is like the memes that I see every once in a while of like what happens at Planet Fitness. Andrea: One hundred percent do I feel like I live in those memes half the time. Olivia: 'Cause honestly, if I saw the guy who's like probably a drag queen on the weekends, that's the first person I'm talking to. Andrea: yeah. I've been very tempted to talk to that man 'cause he intrigues me. He does weird me out Olivia: Yeah. Andrea: with the weird leg noodles, but Olivia: Yeah, even the fact that you can't describe it to me, that confuses me. Andrea: Yeah. I'll try to I'll try to do a stalker pick next time. Olivia: The discle bowl hat. Now that I can do that. I like that. Andrea: I might actually have a picture of that. Olivia: I wanna see it. Andrea: I'll I'll dig for it and I'll I'll find it for you. Olivia: Okay. Maybe. Andrea: But the like the beer and the flip flops and the t shirt I and the hitting of the mat down on the ground, I was like, do I seriously considered, kind of like you did with the guys on the trail, I seriously considered going up to the front desk and being like, hey, somebody is in here with their dogs out, drinking a beer. is that allowed? But I didn't want to be a tattletale 'cause I'm freaked out by some of the people at the gym. So Olivia: Yeah, I mean it almost feels like i in this scenario it almost feels like he came into the gym to blow off steam and the person at the front desk like didn't wanna have to like hold the line. Andrea: Yeah, that was kind of the vibe that I got. Was like he may have just like steamrolled in and they noticed but like got the vibe and they were like, nah. Olivia: Also, can we play out this idea of like, okay, you've had a rough day, you're stressed, you're frustrated, you're like, Okay, how can I like let off some steam, cool down, like get my mind off of it? And you're like, fucking monkey bars. Andrea: Ha ha ha ha. Not where I thought you were going, but that is so funny of a thing to point out. Cause it it didn't look right. It looked wrong. Like like people do the monkey bars there all Olivia: Yes, yes. Andrea: the time. But like this scenario, I was like, what's happening? Olivia: Yeah. Andrea: Ha ha ha. Olivia: Cause clearly he's like rage working out. And I'm not trying to say like we haven't Andrea: Mm-hmm. Olivia: been there before. Like I you know, I've had a like rage run before. Like I've worked out like kind of like in a rage, whatever. Like fine. Andrea: totally. Yeah. Olivia: But how you're gonna let it out is monkey bars? Andrea: Yeah. He also mind you, I'm not tall. He's the same height as me, so he had to climb Olivia: No, I know. Andrea: up to get there. Olivia: I mean that's was he trying to just like lengthen himself? Like is that what he's trying to do? Andrea: I don't know. The more I think about it too, I feel like he also hung upside down at one point, like on his knees. So maybe. He's like, let me get my blood flowing so I feel more drunk. I I don't know. Like Olivia: Yeah, more blood to my brain which still won't help. Andrea: Yeah. Olivia: Nothing up there, dude. Andrea: Choices. Choices. Olivia: Yeah, this is why I don't like going to the gym. I used to go to the gym in college and I I did not like Andrea: This Ugh Olivia: it. Andrea: This gym is bananas. I mean I think it was like in the first couple of months of going there, I saw the same person get arrested in the gym twice. Olivia: Is your gym in Tacoma? Andrea: Nope. Olivia: Like what Andrea: West Valley Phoenix apparently, which is supposed to be retirement central. I don't know where all these people are coming from. Olivia: It's all their like g bum grandkids that live in their like houses or something. Andrea: Yeah, their casitas. Yeah. Like this guy, the guy that got arrested the first time, they kind of just like arrested him at the door. And the second time, they were like, it was the craziest thing to watch. Cause I was like biking, and the cops come in. I I think that they had come in while he was in the locker room because they then like hide. Like they were legitimately like crouching behind the counter. They were like, One guy was around the corner in the movie theater. like it was so weird. And this guy just like starts walking around and they kind of just like are eyeballing him. And then like I don't know what happened to the guy, the cop that was in the movie theater or whatever, but he goes into the movie theater and then I don't see anything or hear anything, and then all of a sudden they come carrying out, like carrying him out by arms, like in handcuffs out of the movie theater. That's like, what the fuck is happening? Olivia: Okay, let's play out this next scenario. Andrea: Ha ha ha. Olivia: You're dodging the cops. And you are so predictable that Andrea: Yes. Olivia: they figure out that you go to the gym. So you and they arrest you there. Somehow Andrea: Mm-hmm. Olivia: you're released, whatever the circumstances. You're Andrea: Yeah. Olivia: dodging the cops again. And your go-to is I gotta hit that gym. When that's where they caught you first? Andrea: Right? Olivia: You des you deserve. You deserve to be caught for that. Andrea: Yeah, I don't know. I I don't know. I've I've seen this guy wandering in the streets also. So he like hangs out in the area. I I'm like, I wanna know so badly what this whole situation is. Olivia: I just I the curiosity killer. Andrea: I know. It's so bad. I like I have this thing. I think I may have told you this before, where like in order to get through being at the gym sometimes, I make up theories and stories about everyone, which is how I came up with the drag queen one. But I feel like I'm probably closer to hitting in the nail on the head with that one. I'm working on it. I'm figuring it out. but I like come up with whole storylines about these people. Like, you know, where do they get their BBLs done? You know You know what this girl does for a living. Like I have it all. Olivia: I remember the story I remember that story you told me about like the couple where like the girl was like had like the worst squat form and the guy kept putting on more and more and more weight and you're literally like she's going Andrea: Yeah. Olivia: to break her freaking back and you like s Andrea: Yeah, I run into them everywhere now. I ran into them at food truck festivals, I ran into them on the fourth of July, I ran into them at the grocery store. I'm like Olivia: Man, they really took you correcting or form personally. Andrea: Yeah, they really did. He still gives me nasty looks. She d is kind of ambivalent, but Yeah. It's also really funny because I can tell who just by looking at someone in the gym, I can also tell who are students of the school my husband teaches at. Olivia: Is it really the community that small that you can like recognize them? Andrea: Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes they recognize me bef because they like see my husband's pictures and stuff. So they recognize me and I don't know them. And then LJ will come home and be like, So my student saw you at the gym today. And I was like, That's weird. Why can't they just come up to me and say something? And it apparently they've told him on a few occasions that I look really intimidating and they don't want to approach me at the gym. Okay. Like I don't think I'm an intimidating looking person, but maybe at the gym. Olivia: Probably just ser I mean most people are serious. Like Andrea: Well Olivia: well okay. Fair. You don't even have to say anything. Fair. I'm saying like Andrea: Ha ha. Olivia: generally when I picture a gym, I picture like Andrea: Right. Olivia: everyone has their headphones in, everyone's like Andrea: Mm-hmm. Olivia: kind of like clocked in, serious, like don't wanna talk with anyone, wanna do their thing, be done kind of vibe. Andrea: Yeah. Yeah. At a good gym. Olivia: Yeah, you're you're I don't even know I don't even know how to describe that, Jim. I there I Andrea: Yeah, I will say it is something that I have begun to start looking forward to because it's giving me content for my brain and and like stories about living here. because everything else is so Olivia: No, that's fair. Andrea: bland and boring that it's like, okay, I can at least go to the gym and get a good weird story out of it. There's also this old lady that has a vendetta against me at the gym because she has to put her yoga mat in the exact same spot every single time. And she puts it down at the beginning of her workout and doesn't use it until the very end of her workout. So she reserves her spot. And like if I just happen to be in that spot, she will put her yoga mat down like on top of my stuff. Yeah. Or even if I'm like slightly like to the side, she'll like put her stuff touch like it's touching my stuff. I'm like, Really? What is wrong with you? Olivia: Mm. Reminds me of somebody I don't like in the choir I'm in. Andrea: No. Olivia: She's such a pill too. She like has her seat. And like the whole first year, like the might call her my choir mom. My choir Andrea: Mm. Olivia: mom would always want me to be like stand by her. Which meant that like I was sitting in this other person's seat. And she like, But this has like always been my seat. And I've been in this choir for since, you know, we were in the old building. And I'm like, I don't know what that means. She said, Well, like, for over thirty years I'm like, okay. Like, I I don't know what to tell you. This is a a chair you could, I don't know, pick up just about anywhere. I don't think there's any importance here. There were multiple times where she would like move my stuff. Andrea: Is that the tism, do you think? Or is it something else? Olivia: I don't know, but it's annoying as shit. Andrea: Ha ha ha. Olivia: Especially within a religious context. I'm like, is is this how you wanna live? Andrea: I f didn't even think about that context. Olivia: Like, is this how you want to live? So then what I started doing is I Andrea: Yeah. Olivia: started showing up extra early and just sitting there. Like, you're not gonna move me. Like you're not gonna move me. Andrea: Good for you. You are also such a pill, but I love it. Olivia: Yeah. Absolutely I am. In the face Andrea: Yeah. Olivia: of aggression, a hundred percent. I will like create myself like a stone. Like just like I will not move. Try. You're like 90 years old. And only alive because Andrea: He Olivia: of bitterness. There is no way you can physically move me. Also, she has the worst, like, B O ever. Andrea: No Olivia: Bothers me so much. Andrea: man. Olivia: And then she'll like make comments about there's these like younger girls that are in the choir and they'll like cause they're teenagers, they like have Andrea: Mm-hmm. Olivia: style and like wear different things. And Andrea: Yeah. Olivia: she'll like make comments to me that are like outwardly like very negative about what they're wearing, but like loud enough where like anyone could hear, but like she's saying them to Andrea: Right. Olivia: me. She'll be like, like look at that. Like, can you believe that? Like she's wearing like that is so like ridiculous. And I'll be like Like I at first I just like wouldn't engage and now I'm just like, Andrea: Mm-hmm. Olivia: Yeah, it seems like she chose to wear clothes today. Wild. Andrea: Nice. You should just say, Thank goodness she's at least wearing clothes. Olivia: I mean, to the point where I the next time she made a comment about what somebody was wearing, I was like you know, I don't care to judge people on what they wear unless you would like me to start and I just like looked at Andrea: Mm Olivia: her up and down. And then she stopped making negative Andrea: That's good. Olivia: comments about people and what they were. See, I'm making people actually more religious, person by person. Andrea: You're making people more neurodivergent, more religious. All right, cult leader over Olivia: yeah. Andrea: here. Olivia: I was just like, listen, your chair? I don't think it's actually your chair. I don't think they brought these metal chairs from the building 30 years ago. I don't think it's Andrea: Right. Right. Olivia: your chair. These are all the same chairs. You're talking about a spot. Andrea: My favorite reaction to things like that is like, does it have your name on it? And then like looking for it. I don't see that. So Olivia: I mean I'm a lot closer to being like sorry, I've just I seemed a misplaced where I cared. Andrea: so good. she might not pick up on that though. Olivia: Mm, I'd make sure she would. Andrea: I love this. Olivia: I get why people are intimidated by me. I've gotten that feedback a lot. I get it. Andrea: Ha ha I oddly get that feedback from a lot of people that I'm intimidating. But like I don't see it. I mean, at the gym I could probably see it a little bit 'cause I lift pretty heavy and maybe that's why people like associated that with that. But like I've been told at these pilot parties that I am intimidating. I've been like, I don't understand. Olivia: I don't think you're intimidating I mean, I don't think I am. I it's funny. I've gotten the feedback that I'm intimidating a lot. And then anytime I tell somebody that I've gotten feedback that I'm intimidating, they're like, You, I don't think you're intimidating at all. Give me a complex, why don't you? I like Andrea: Right. Olivia: get all this feedback that I am and then I'm like, I get this feedback that I am and everyone's like, You No, you're not. I don't think you are at all. I'm Andrea: Yeah. Olivia: like, What is it? Andrea: I also think like the people that know me know me as such an unserious person that like Olivia: Great. Andrea: struggles to understand jokes sometimes. And so when people tell me that like I look intimidating, I'm like, when? But but maybe I have that facade in certain circumstances. I don't know. Like Olivia: I mean, I feel like I get intimidating because I can be like very direct, like to the point of like Andrea: Right. Olivia: blunt or like abrupt or like Andrea: Mm-hmm. Olivia: this is my favorite thing to do is lit mistest a social scenario by like being really like quick witted or saying a dark joke or like I don't know, like poking fun at somebody, you know, whatever. Andrea: Mm. Yeah. Yeah, totally. Olivia: Because if people can like are on board with that, think it's funny, like vibe with it then like good. But then if people are off Andrea: Yeah. Olivia: put by it I'm like, okay, then like we're good. Like a done. And I think people see that as like intimidating because they just like say whate like whatever it is or yeah, I don't know. Andrea: Right. Right. Yeah. Such an interesting cut like thing to think about how people perceive us. Olivia: Yeah. Yeah. I Andrea: Yeah. I don't I don't necessarily care how any how somebody perceives me and I've worked really hard to get to that point. I'm not gonna lie. It's taken a lot of inner work to get there, but I I can't imagine going backwards now because it feels really good to not care. But it is funny sometimes to think about like, I wonder how somebody's perceiving the fact that I'm wearing this weird Barbie meme t shirt to the gym and look like a badass. What do you think? What's the story you're making up about me? Olivia: Yeah. I would say the same thing. I feel like now that I'm in my thirties, I don't know, there seemed to be more of a like I I guess I would just say like natural shift to being like Andrea: Mm. Olivia: less affected by other people's opinions that was just organic. Andrea: Yeah. Olivia: Which is cool. Like, great. Andrea: Yeah. Olivia: I don't need more of that, so overall win. Andrea: I definitely I definitely am seeing like more and more of that happen for me too. Like as I get better at it and as I get older in particular, it's like I just don't care. Olivia: Yeah. Yeah. And like I think too with like my daughter, I I there's a lot of things that I've just like let go of that I like don't care about. Like I don't care if somebody like sees me dancing with her out in public or like wearing something ridiculous so that we can match or like me singing a song because I'm being silly or like I just like don't care. Andrea: Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah, totally. Olivia: Yeah, whatever. I love that. Whew, Andrea: I love it. Olivia: wow. We as usual ran the gamut. I mean, your Andrea: Mm. Olivia: gym's weird. I'll still try hiking. Andrea: Yeah. Olivia: And let us know down Andrea: Give it a shot. Olivia: in the yeah, let us know down in the comments if we're intimidating. we really need to Andrea: Ha Olivia: have this we really need to have this settled Andrea: Huh. Olivia: for the both of us to move on. please, yeah, we Andrea: I'll put a poll in the comments. Olivia: need we definitely need the votes to come in, so please please consider. Seriously consider. Andrea: Yeah. I love it. Olivia: well thank you all for joining in and following along. we will catch you all in our next episode, but until then we hope you have a good one. See ya. Bye. Andrea: Awesome, bye. Olivia: This podcast is for entertainment, informational, educational purposes only. Although the hosts are licensed therapists, this podcast is not a substitute for professional mental health services. Listening to this podcast does not create a therapist-client relationship. Andrea: If you are experiencing mental health concerns, please seek help from a qualified mental health professional in your area. 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