Latest / Loud & Lifted / Quick Lift: How to Handle a Narcissist Boss (And Bullies, Micromanagers, and Other Toxic Managers)
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- 0:00Have you ever worked for someone who made you
- 0:01think, is this a job or am I being monitored
- 0:04like a toddler? Yeah, same. Welcome to Allowed
- 0:07and Lifted Quick Lift, the under 10 minute episode
- 0:10where we take big insights and turn them into
- 0:12small, repeatable moves you can use this week.
- 0:15I'm your host, Betsy Hamm. Today, I'm recapping
- 0:18my conversation with Linda Harvey. also known
- 0:20as the management guru on TikTok. And we're focusing
- 0:24on the kind of leadership situations that can
- 0:27drain your confidence fast. The micromanager,
- 0:30the narcissistic boss, and the workplace bully.
- 0:34This quick lift is your playbook for staying
- 0:36steady, strategic, and protected because you
- 0:39don't have to get bonus points for suffering
- 0:41quietly. Let's jump in. Takeaway number one,
- 0:54why micromanage? And there are two types. Micromanagement
- 0:58usually looks like control, but underneath it
- 1:01all, it's almost always based on fear. Linda
- 1:04broke it down like this, that there was really
- 1:06two main types of micromanagers. Number one is
- 1:09the, I don't trust you yet, micromanager. They
- 1:13hover because they're worried you're going to
- 1:15miss something, make them look bad, or create
- 1:18a mess that they'll have to clean up. This can
- 1:20show up with new leaders, especially, or maybe
- 1:23new teams, or maybe if you're new with an organization
- 1:25or after you did make a mistake. The opportunity
- 1:29here, though, is sometimes you can improve this
- 1:32dynamic by building trust through consistency
- 1:34and clarity. We'll get to that in a moment. The
- 1:37second type of micromanager is the I need to
- 1:40feel powerful. This is the one who needs control
- 1:44to feel important. They rewrite your emails.
- 1:47They nitpick everything and make you feel like
- 1:50nothing is ever quite right if they didn't do
- 1:52it themselves. And you may be crushing it. The
- 1:55reality is this type is harder to fix because
- 1:58the micromanagement is tied to ego, not performance.
- 2:02It actually has nothing to do with you. So the
- 2:04question is, is the micromanagement temporary
- 2:07and situational or is it their leadership personality?
- 2:12This distinction changes your strategy. So, what
- 2:16do you do? How can you train your boss or get
- 2:18them to change? And yes, really, you can train
- 2:21your boss in certain situations. So, the most
- 2:24useful practical move in this situation is if
- 2:28your boss is predictable, use that. Linda's example
- 2:32is gold. If your boss always calls you at 4 o
- 2:35'clock to check the progress or for a check -in,
- 2:38call them at 345 with the update first. Why this
- 2:42works. It gives them the reassurance they're
- 2:45hunting for, but it puts you in control of the
- 2:48narrative and it slowly retrains the nervous
- 2:51system so that you've got it handled. So this
- 2:54train your boss method again, this probably works
- 2:56with type one, not type two of the micromanager.
- 2:59That's a harder one to crack, but Try this for
- 3:02one week. Observe their patterns. What do they
- 3:04ask for every time? What makes them anxious?
- 3:08When do they typically check in? And then create
- 3:11an auto update rhythm. Maybe it's a quick daily
- 3:14recap. It's an end of the day bullet list. It's
- 3:16a weekly status snapshot. Pre -answer the questions
- 3:19if they always ask. Where are we in this? Did
- 3:22you get my email? What's next? Then include those
- 3:25answers in your update. before they ask. You're
- 3:29really not giving in. You're protecting your
- 3:31time and building trust strategically. Again,
- 3:34this is going to work with option or type number
- 3:36one. This may not work with type number two,
- 3:38but it's probably worth an attempt to see if
- 3:41you can change the relationship. So that's how
- 3:44we will handle a micromanager boss. Number two,
- 3:48how narcissistic leaders operate. Now, this is
- 3:51when it gets real. A narcissistic boss isn't
- 3:54just difficult. They tend to follow a pattern.
- 3:57There's no accountability. They're gaslighting
- 3:59you. You remember it one way. They said it happened
- 4:01another way. They're always controlling the narrative.
- 4:05They give you praise and tell you outshine them.
- 4:08And then suddenly it's criticism, exclusion,
- 4:11weird power moves. The hard truth Linda shared
- 4:14is you don't usually win with a narcissist by
- 4:17confronting them head on. There's too much ego,
- 4:20psychological things going on that you're honestly
- 4:22not going to fix for them. But you can win by
- 4:26staying steady, staying smart, and protecting
- 4:29yourself. So the approach that Linda shared during
- 4:31this part was to the calm detached approach,
- 4:34the gray rock plus the follow -up notes. So these
- 4:38are two tools that are simple and powerful. So
- 4:41first, the gray rock theory. This is the boring
- 4:44safe method. When a narcissist or any emotionally
- 4:48volatile leader does this, you keep your tone
- 4:51neutral. Keep your responses short. Don't over
- 4:54explain. Don't get pulled into the drama and
- 4:57don't take the bait. You become a gray rock.
- 5:00Not fun, not reactive, not a target. Most narcissists
- 5:04love the engagement and getting you riled up
- 5:07and getting having that fear and anxiety just
- 5:10sort of looming over your head. That's what they
- 5:12thrive on. So if you can pull back and not feed
- 5:16that, then hopefully that will at least help
- 5:18them to maybe go. pick on somebody else or do
- 5:20it to somebody else. But it's really about being
- 5:23like a gray rock, a little boring, but you're
- 5:25being safe. The second part of her suggestion
- 5:28of how to deal with the narcissistic boss is
- 5:30the follow -up notes. And this is really like
- 5:33the receipts without being petty. After conversations,
- 5:37especially confusing ones where they are probably
- 5:39talking in circles and you're not really sure
- 5:41where you stand or what next, send a quick recap
- 5:44email. And this is a great idea if you have a
- 5:47conversation with anyone that you're just not
- 5:49quite sure if you both left on the same page
- 5:51and if it's going to come back to bite you especially.
- 5:54can keep it simple. You don't have to sound overly
- 5:56professional or HR -ish about it, but you just
- 5:59want to confirm that we aligned on X. You went
- 6:03X by Thursday, you're going to do Y, and they
- 6:05will handle Z, whatever it is. But it's just
- 6:08a quick recap to assure that you are aligned.
- 6:11And this matters a lot because it reduces that
- 6:14he said, she said, and it creates clarity. And
- 6:17if the story changes later, you've got documentation.
- 6:20This is the grown up version of I'm not arguing
- 6:23with you, I'm just saving this for later. And
- 6:25again, if there's ever any kind of conversation
- 6:27where there isn't clarity at the end and you're
- 6:29not sure in the same page, just a quick bullet
- 6:31email with what you heard and what was happening
- 6:34next can go a long way. And last kind of leader
- 6:38is a workplace bully. And the way to handle this
- 6:42is, unfortunately, to document like a detective.
- 6:45Bullying isn't strong leadership. It's not just
- 6:48their style. It's a threat to psychological safety,
- 6:51and it deserves a real response plan. So step
- 6:54one is you're going to document, not feelings.
- 6:57Facts. And this is, I think, sometimes where
- 6:59people get wrong, where they want to go to HR,
- 7:02or they want to go to their boss's boss, and
- 7:03they talk about the feelings. I feel this. It
- 7:06has to be the facts, the date and time something
- 7:08happened, what was said or done. Wording matters.
- 7:11Who witnessed it? And then the impact on the
- 7:13work, if there was missed deadlines, public humiliation,
- 7:17anything along those lines. Step two is, if it's
- 7:20safe, try the conversation. Sometimes naming
- 7:22it directly can stop it, especially if the thoughtless
- 7:25behavior versus targeted abuse. But safety matters,
- 7:29so... If you can bring it up and feel that you're
- 7:31not going to be treated even more than I would
- 7:33strongly suggest it. Sometimes something that
- 7:36may make it feel like it's a bullying tactic
- 7:38to you could just be the person being completely
- 7:40oblivious of the impact that their words or their
- 7:43behaviors have on you. So when in doubt, at least
- 7:46have the conversation first. And I'd go back
- 7:48to the conversation tips that we learned from
- 7:50Sarita about how to handle difficult conversations
- 7:53from season one. So if you do that and you have
- 7:56this conversation, or maybe you decide not to,
- 7:58then you have to figure out the next step is
- 7:59if you can escalate it appropriately. HR, if
- 8:02you have it. And this is always a tough part
- 8:05too, right? How do you approach it? But going
- 8:07to HR with the facts is the best approach. And
- 8:11here's the line I want you to remember when you
- 8:13do this. If leadership protects the bully, then
- 8:15that's the culture. So go to HR, have the conversation,
- 8:19share the documentation that you've been keeping,
- 8:21but if nothing happens or... or it gets handled
- 8:24inappropriately, then you really need to take
- 8:26a look at your situation. Because at that point,
- 8:28your job becomes you needing to protect your
- 8:31confidence, protecting your career record, and
- 8:35protecting the next move that you're going to
- 8:37make. Which leads to the do I stay or do I go
- 8:41checklist. And this can be used with any three
- 8:44types of bosses. You need to ask yourself, is
- 8:46it improving or is it repeating? Am I growing
- 8:49here or am I shrinking here? Is there real accountability
- 8:53above this person? Is my health changing because
- 8:57of this job? Because no job is worth losing yourself
- 9:00or being completely stressed out because of the
- 9:02way that your relationship is with your boss.
- 9:06There's a reason why people always say most employees
- 9:08leave their boss, not their company. And I definitely
- 9:11have seen that happen throughout my career to
- 9:14any friends or even coworkers. So. These three
- 9:17bosses are incredibly difficult to deal with
- 9:19and challenging to fix, and you're not going
- 9:21to fix them. So if you're dealing with a micromanager,
- 9:24get proactive and set the rhythm. If it's a narcissist,
- 9:28detach, document, and protect your energy. And
- 9:31if it's bullying, you need the facts, the receipts,
- 9:34an escalation, and a plan. If this episode helps
- 9:37you, send to a friend who's currently rage applying
- 9:39on LinkedIn at midnight. We've all been her.
- 9:41And if you haven't yet, follow or subscribe and
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- 9:46show and build their confidence and leadership
- 9:48tools in the real world. Thanks for listening.
- 9:51Until next time, stay loud, stay lifted and protect
- 9:54your peace.