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#35 - Katori Walker · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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Speaker 1: We got a dope episode today with the homie Katori Walker.
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Speaker 1: Shout out to Katory Walker, who's been making noise man
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Speaker 1: out of Pasadena for a minute. And I feel like
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Speaker 1: this year, you know, a lot of people have taken
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Speaker 1: advantage of the pandemic in a good way and not
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Speaker 1: kind of let that. You know, there's been a lot
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Speaker 1: of people using it as an excuse as to why
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Speaker 1: they're slowing down, and Katori Walker has done quite the opposite.
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Speaker 1: He put out a project called Idols that is extremely dope.
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Speaker 1: It pretty much pays homage to all of the idols
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Speaker 1: on the musical side that he has, Kendrick fifty Cent,
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Speaker 1: Kanye West, j Cole Drake, etc. And I really enjoyed
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Speaker 1: it so much. I was like, man, I gotta have
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Speaker 1: this guy come up and just have a good conversation
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Speaker 1: because I know he's got a dope taste in hip
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Speaker 1: beginning of next week. But we just had a dope
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Speaker 1: rap conversational to talk to him about his project, his
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Speaker 1: Walker episode. It's the boutleg cap podcast Bootleg Cap Podcast.
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Speaker 1: Katory Walker's here, Ladies and Gentlemen, Pasadena's Finest, Pasadiena's fine
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Speaker 1: as Wow, that's a big title. Who else is from pasadenas? Uh?
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Speaker 1: Like I said, he got tied to Pasidiena. I don't
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Speaker 1: know if he was born there, but I know his
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Speaker 1: family's from there. Who else is in Pasadena? There's a
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Speaker 1: lot of up and coming arts of Pastena. Do you
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Speaker 1: know you know Overdose? Yeah? Yeah, I didn't know they
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Speaker 1: were from Pasadena? Yeah, yeah, So what happened to those guys?
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I know Ken Jams are doing this thing.
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Speaker 1: I interviewed them and they were hilarious. Those guys were hilarious.
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Speaker 1: Shout out to Overdose. But welcome man. You're having a
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Speaker 1: pretty crazy year. You're project idols. Would you say that
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Speaker 1: as a body of work, this has been the your
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Speaker 1: biggest body of work as far as like recognition performance,
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Speaker 1: because you had it like like like were you ranking
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Speaker 1: this one at I would say, this is my most
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Speaker 1: free body of work and this is my most like
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Speaker 1: honest body of work. This is the one like the
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Speaker 1: ones that I'm most proud of, you know, like you know,
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Speaker 1: every other body of work has done different things for me,
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Speaker 1: but this one is just like, Yo, all right, this
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Speaker 1: dude can really do his damn thing, you know. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: For people who are listening who might not have heard
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Speaker 1: of you, you put a record out called Idols, and
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Speaker 1: the concept of the album was really to pay homage
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Speaker 1: to your idols in the music industry. It's an EP.
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Speaker 1: Each record is dedicated to we got what, Kendrick, Cole, Drake, Kanye,
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Speaker 1: and then one to yourself, one to myself. Yeah, when
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Speaker 1: you were making like like it was the idea a
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Speaker 1: conscious idea when you were record it or did you
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Speaker 1: like hear the songs be like you know what this
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Speaker 1: this was like? Like like or did you do? It?
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Speaker 1: Was everything on purpose? I think half of the project
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Speaker 1: was on purpose. I think I did. I did one
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Speaker 1: song and I was actually trying to mimic Cold, like yeah,
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Speaker 1: I want to do a Cold flow in this one.
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Speaker 1: And I was a record that I didn't even make
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Speaker 1: the project actually because I had two Cold records. So
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Speaker 1: I'm like, Yo, this this is dope. And then I
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Speaker 1: did a Kendrick record. I'm like, Yo, this is dope.
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Speaker 1: You know. And then after that, I was just like, Yo,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna put this all together and make this a
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Speaker 1: body of work, you know, And like the last ones
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Speaker 1: I did was the fallback record for myself and then
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Speaker 1: the higher hopes to Kanye won because I was like
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Speaker 1: the toughest thing to do because Kanye is like a
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Speaker 1: Swiss army knife. So how do you Yeah, Kanye's he's
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Speaker 1: my favorite artist. Yeah, he's an artist for real, bro, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: more than a fan of Jesus Is King. I'm not
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Speaker 1: gonna lie, but you know, discography wise, nobody can fuck
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Speaker 1: with you. Yeah. I think I think the thing that
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Speaker 1: I got from Jesus is King is I felt that
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Speaker 1: peace listening to it. It wasn't the best lyrical album,
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Speaker 1: it wasn't the best mixed album at all, but it
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Speaker 1: felt peaceful. It was great production. There was some great
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Speaker 1: production on there. Shout out to boost the Beasts. But
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Speaker 1: but yeah, it's dope because like, not a lot of
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Speaker 1: people pay homage to fifty as much as they should.
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Speaker 1: Fifty is a pioneer, bro. Fifty is like his run
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Speaker 1: was so it was it was. I mean his run
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Speaker 1: at the top was short, right, It was two albums
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Speaker 1: long plus the g Unit album and then you know,
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Speaker 1: the Curtis came out and things kind of were left.
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Speaker 1: But you know, we're talking Get Rich or Die Trying
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Speaker 1: is like I feel like, unarguably a top five album
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Speaker 1: of all time. You could put it higher, but I
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Speaker 1: feel like if you put it any lower than five,
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Speaker 1: you're you're fucking lyon or you're a hater. But like,
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Speaker 1: definitely dope. Like to see someone pay homage to fifty
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Speaker 1: because I feel like that happens. A lot of people
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Speaker 1: pay homage this year, like a lot of people. I
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Speaker 1: think it was what three or four mini men. Oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: that was a lot. You know, you're right, it's a
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Speaker 1: good year for fifty twenty one. Savage did it, Pop
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Speaker 1: Pop Smoke did it. Yeah, and I did it. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I don't know who else did it, but yeah, so
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Speaker 1: and it was all that same record, and I was
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Speaker 1: all Get Rich of Die Trying. So yeah, he's getting
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Speaker 1: to respect he deserved. Fifty had a video game, bro,
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Speaker 1: like not a lot of right hey, and it wasn't
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Speaker 1: a bad game. It's a great game. That shit was solid.
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Speaker 1: You'd be with young Buck Lloyd Banks, spring up fools
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Speaker 1: in Iraq, Like what the fuck is going on? Fifty
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Speaker 1: fifty had a crazy run. That was the first time
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Speaker 1: I was listening to fifty when I was I think
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Speaker 1: I think that was what two thousand and two when
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Speaker 1: that came out two thousand and one, three two. I
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Speaker 1: think you're right. Two thousand and three. Prob. That was
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Speaker 1: when I first started writing my own raps because when
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Speaker 1: I was young, I used to have like my uncles
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Speaker 1: wrap myself for me. So I was listening to get
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Speaker 1: rich of I try and trying to pin out some
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Speaker 1: shit like to mimic fifty. So that's why that album
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Speaker 1: meant the world to me. And the Unit album was
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Speaker 1: fired Bag for Mercy was crazy. That was a great album.
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Speaker 1: Fifty was like I don't think he got enough credit
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Speaker 1: for his hooks. Bro oh, oh my god. That's why
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Speaker 1: when they were talking about like the Game in fifty verses,
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Speaker 1: I was like, like, Game is an a legend. I
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Speaker 1: love Game, love his music, but like his biggest songs
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Speaker 1: that he could play have fifty cent on them. Yeah
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, And it's like, how
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Speaker 1: would that work? They both wrap it together. Yeah, it's
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Speaker 1: a point for each It's like a point for each
8:04
Speaker 1: but yeah, and then the artwork. What was dope about
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Speaker 1: your artwork for your project was it just kind of
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Speaker 1: incorporated all of that on like in a very tasteful way.
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Speaker 1: Whose idea was was the artwork? So me and my
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Speaker 1: creative manager, his name is Cash, we had just been
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Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to mash everybody's like face
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Speaker 1: together and just looked at weird. So then I'm like, yo,
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Speaker 1: let's take a piece of each every each album that
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Speaker 1: we liked the most from every artist and make it
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Speaker 1: a thing. And then we just was like, okay, cool,
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Speaker 1: We're gonna take the border from Kendrick, We're gonna take
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Speaker 1: the heart from Kanye, We're gonna take the sky from Dragon,
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Speaker 1: take the crown from Cole, and we're like, what the
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Speaker 1: fuck we're gonna do for fifty I was like, y'all,
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Speaker 1: let's just sit on it. He hit me back an
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Speaker 1: hour later, like check your text, like I've seen the
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Speaker 1: bullet holes. I'm like, my god, it's done. It's done. Here.
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Speaker 1: I was sending people that album covered before it even
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Speaker 1: came out, like yo, just look, you don't even to hear,
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Speaker 1: you don't even need to hear. Just look at the
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Speaker 1: album cover bro. When I when me and Head had
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Speaker 1: linked up with you, it was like almost two years
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Speaker 1: ago you had you were coming into a situation with Capital.
9:07
Speaker 1: What's the update or the status of your situation record
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Speaker 1: label wise? We cut to eyes. I'm now independent, you know, Capital.
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Speaker 1: We had our run, you know, we did our thing,
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Speaker 1: and I think for where I wanted to go and
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Speaker 1: what I'm trying to do, we just wasn't seeing eye
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Speaker 1: to eye. And then you know, Lord rest is my
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Speaker 1: a R. I ended up passing away. So it was
9:26
Speaker 1: like that was just a thing, you know. So I'm
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Speaker 1: now independent. I want to be able to like freely move,
9:33
Speaker 1: you know, do what you want to do. Yeah. Man,
9:34
Speaker 1: I don't think you know, unless it's a bag player.
9:37
Speaker 1: I don't think labels got that much power these days.
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Speaker 1: You ain't lying, Yeah, I mean, look, but I was
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Speaker 1: just crazy because you got you're on the playlist that
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Speaker 1: you that the label would get you on anyway. Yeah, yeah, man,
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Speaker 1: I got on the playlist just off the strength. When
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Speaker 1: I first dropped, I wasn't on no playlist. And I
9:50
Speaker 1: think Carl Cherry had heard it and was like, yo,
9:53
Speaker 1: it's crazy. Yeah. I saw he was like tweeting tweeting
9:56
Speaker 1: out your lyrics and shit. Yeah, and it's like, yo,
9:58
Speaker 1: but I don't know you from nowhere, So that was
10:01
Speaker 1: just an organic thing. Was just organic, bro, because you know,
10:04
Speaker 1: he's like the gate the gatekeeper that everyone. Yeah, it
10:07
Speaker 1: was organic bro. And he had hit me like, bro,
10:09
Speaker 1: this is crazy, this is crazy, And I'm like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you tapping in with the music and speaking
10:14
Speaker 1: of the label, this is something that the label had
10:17
Speaker 1: had for a year, you know. Well, it's also kind
10:20
Speaker 1: of like reaffirms the fact that you don't need the
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Speaker 1: label because really, what else, Like that's why that's what
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Speaker 1: they're there for, right, is to try to get you
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Speaker 1: placements or you know, but dog, if you are like
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Speaker 1: outside of a bag, like you said, yeah, what else,
10:34
Speaker 1: what else do you need a label for? These days?
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Speaker 1: Like you're gonna give somebody twenty percent of what you're
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Speaker 1: doing to press upload. I want to ask you, So
10:41
Speaker 1: we're going to go through the project and I want
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Speaker 1: you to tell me your favorite albums from each of
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Speaker 1: these artists. Well, obviously he's got to be giving your
10:46
Speaker 1: dad trying for fifty out. Yeah, of course that goes
10:48
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. By the way, Massacres, super swept on. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but what about I mean, you say your favorite it
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Speaker 1: was eight awaits your favorite album since she used the heart. Nah,
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Speaker 1: that's just a symbol. It makes sense. Graduation, graduation, It's like, Bro,
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Speaker 1: that was impeccable. It's a great body of work. It's like,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, like I think everybody liked to say
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Speaker 1: my beautiful, dark twisted, but that I'm a Late Registration guy,
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Speaker 1: also older, older Kanye. Yeah, I love Late Registration. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: graduation was solid, and I just I don't know, man,
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Speaker 1: I Mike, I'm Mike. I'm not as high as graduation
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Speaker 1: on graduation as everyone else. I'm not. It's a great look.
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Speaker 1: Kanye's got the best discography ever. Yeah, He's got a
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Speaker 1: great discography. I feel like Late Registration and College Dropout
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Speaker 1: were like brothers sister albums. It kind of sounded I
11:35
Speaker 1: didn't hear that much evolution in the in the body
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Speaker 1: of work. They kind of very same. Nah, Late Registration
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Speaker 1: have John Brian on the production. It was so much
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Speaker 1: more like that. I feel like they could, they could
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Speaker 1: be a deluxe album of each other. I disagree, all right,
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Speaker 1: So let's say the jump from Late Registration and Graduation.
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Speaker 1: Those are two completely things, different things late Registration. I
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Speaker 1: feel like the jump from each album is very different.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel like those two are in
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Speaker 1: the same ballpark. I feel like my Beautiful, dark, twisted
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Speaker 1: Fantasy is his best album because you really can't say
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Speaker 1: ship and then it's really up to you to say
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Speaker 1: what your favorite is. Yeah, yeah, these are two closest,
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Speaker 1: they sound sonically closest, they're the They're the closest out
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Speaker 1: of any two. Yeah. Yeah, Graduation, Yeah, Yeah, I just
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Speaker 1: got into an argument with somebody and YouTube was killing
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Speaker 1: me because I said I like Jesus more than Graduation. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Jesus Is it's an unpopular king and Jesus, oh you're
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Speaker 1: fucking crazy, very unpopular opinion, and h I love Jesus,
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Speaker 1: Jesus Is King. Go somewhere else with that. Yeah, Yay
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Speaker 1: was slept on though. Yeay was a good album because
12:46
Speaker 1: I feel like nobody really talking about mental health. That
12:47
Speaker 1: song ghost Town, Yeah, it's hard to make a better
12:50
Speaker 1: song than ghost Town. Man, that song was Crazy was
12:53
Speaker 1: a great record too, Yeah, for sure, for sure, for sure. Yeah, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Yay was slept and then Kidsy ghost was like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I feel like Kitsy Ghosts Sleeper for like one of
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Speaker 1: the best Kanye projects ever. Yeah, I've never really I know,
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Speaker 1: no line, no cap. I've never really been a Cutty
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Speaker 1: fan like that. It's crazy. I've never really been a
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Speaker 1: Cutty fan. No. I mean that's fair because I'm I'm
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Speaker 1: a I wouldn't say I'm the biggest Cuddy fan either.
13:17
Speaker 1: I like dos a is a Cuddy. It's it's it's
13:21
Speaker 1: it's like sit through a whole project to Cutty's probably
13:24
Speaker 1: harder for me. Like my favorite cutting project is when
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Speaker 1: he was like still like really rapping, Like he had
13:29
Speaker 1: a project called a Kid named Cuddy, a mixtape sponsored
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Speaker 1: by ten Deep, and then you know, the man on
13:35
Speaker 1: the moonshit is cool. People love it, Like you can't
13:39
Speaker 1: tell shit to a Kit Cutty fan because that'd be
13:42
Speaker 1: like he's the greatest ever. Yeah, I mean you've met
13:45
Speaker 1: those kinds of people, right, Yeah, bro, I mean yeah,
13:48
Speaker 1: those Kid Cutty fans are fucking crazy. But I get it,
13:52
Speaker 1: Like listen, man, this music is a beautiful subjective thing.
13:55
Speaker 1: And I love Cuddy like you know in doses, I
13:57
Speaker 1: just you know, I feel you on that. Yeah, he
13:59
Speaker 1: got his He's at his niche audience for sure, sit
14:02
Speaker 1: where he sits. But I got my taste and my flavors. Okay,
14:06
Speaker 1: what about Jake Coles, what's your favorite Cold project? All right,
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Speaker 1: so my favorite Cold project is definitely Born Center. Okay,
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Speaker 1: that's a great body of work. If not if not
14:14
Speaker 1: Born Born Centered in twenty fourteen, but those are really
14:17
Speaker 1: forests drivers kind of like the consensus. Yeah, but that's
14:20
Speaker 1: when that's when he got the respect. He that's when
14:22
Speaker 1: he got disrespect he deserved. But Boring Center came out
14:25
Speaker 1: the same day as Jesus Bro. But I what I
14:27
Speaker 1: think don't get enough credit is those truly yours EPs
14:30
Speaker 1: that he put out. Yeah, my god, those by those
14:33
Speaker 1: little projects was crazy. I think for just like nostalgic purposes.
14:39
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed. I still like love Friday Night Lights.
14:43
Speaker 1: Friday Night Lights is crazy. He was. That's I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I feel like he was just some super duper duper
14:49
Speaker 1: and the warm up was crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
14:53
Speaker 1: You know what's crazy is like with Cole like he
14:58
Speaker 1: bounced back. I was not a fan of his first
15:00
Speaker 1: the album because there was so much old ship on there,
15:02
Speaker 1: so much leaked ship, and you know what he did
15:05
Speaker 1: on that first album. Me and you were just talking
15:06
Speaker 1: about he was like purposely trying to make radio records. Yeah, diase,
15:10
Speaker 1: because you remember like he couldn't get an album out,
15:14
Speaker 1: like they kept strowing his ship out and then like
15:16
Speaker 1: you know, there was like mister nice watch and work
15:18
Speaker 1: out and all that shit. It was cool, But like
15:20
Speaker 1: you said, I think Born Tender was like the first
15:22
Speaker 1: time he just did what the fuck he wanted. Yeah,
15:24
Speaker 1: I think where he met the nuts some ship for
15:26
Speaker 1: the critics and ship for the crowd. I think that's
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Speaker 1: where he finally. Okay, this is a hard one Kendrick,
15:31
Speaker 1: because I mean he's three for three if we're talking
15:35
Speaker 1: major releases. Obviously, if you throw section eighty and there,
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Speaker 1: he was four for four. But like I mean, Kendrick's
15:40
Speaker 1: got no misses on his Uh yeah, Kendrick is hard.
15:43
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna say good kid in mass City
15:44
Speaker 1: because I felt like he literally was telling my story
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Speaker 1: bar for bar, Like I'm talking about like hitting the
15:51
Speaker 1: house and shit like that and friends getting murdered and
15:54
Speaker 1: all like literally word for word, bar for bar. I
15:56
Speaker 1: was like I was, I was hurt, like, yo, guy,
15:59
Speaker 1: why are you and somebody else tell my story like
16:01
Speaker 1: this man's telling my story, so that that resonated me
16:04
Speaker 1: with me differently. And then I liked to Pember Butterfly
16:09
Speaker 1: cosonically there it sounds like nothing I've ever heard. Yeah,
16:12
Speaker 1: if you put a gun in my head, I would say,
16:13
Speaker 1: good Combat City. But to Piper Butterflies right there too,
16:16
Speaker 1: and also to Pember Butterfly was like, it's age so well.
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Speaker 1: When it came out, it was just I feel like
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Speaker 1: it's over everyone's head. Yeah, nobody couldn't up. I don't
16:25
Speaker 1: think we were ready for that. After after second, I'm
16:27
Speaker 1: not sec after it was like, Yo, I had to
16:31
Speaker 1: listen to it a couple of times, and as I
16:33
Speaker 1: listened to it, I'm like wow, and then damn, it
16:35
Speaker 1: is just a fucking you know, just press plays hit
16:38
Speaker 1: after after Yeah, broh is great. All right, last one, Drake,
16:44
Speaker 1: that's a tough one. I will say as far Ours
16:48
Speaker 1: albums is either gonna be take Care, probably take care,
16:51
Speaker 1: take care. I want to say so far Gone because
16:54
Speaker 1: that project did a lot for me. When I first
16:56
Speaker 1: heard it, I was like, Yo, this is out of here.
16:59
Speaker 1: But uh, I say take care. If y'all listen to
17:01
Speaker 1: take care, Bro. That's hit after hit for sure. I
17:03
Speaker 1: when the hip hop head say Drake don't have a
17:05
Speaker 1: classic album, it's like, yo, bro, damn bro, that's me.
17:09
Speaker 1: I say take Care as the closest thing he has
17:12
Speaker 1: to say Care not a classic album. Well, I'm not
17:14
Speaker 1: even saying it's not a classic album because it might
17:16
Speaker 1: be a classic to me and to you. But I
17:18
Speaker 1: just don't feel like it's like a consensus classic, like
17:21
Speaker 1: you know how like you say, like good Kid, Mad City,
17:23
Speaker 1: it's like an undeniable classic take Care. People argue whether
17:28
Speaker 1: or not it's a classic, and and so I think
17:31
Speaker 1: take Care as a classic. Personally for me, it's a classic.
17:33
Speaker 1: There's a lot of albums I person I just don't
17:35
Speaker 1: think it's like a like a undeniable, consensus classic album,
17:41
Speaker 1: like you know when you say Doggy Style, Get Richard
17:43
Speaker 1: Die Trying, Like these are albums like nobody will ever
17:46
Speaker 1: say anything different. Take Care is close. But like you said,
17:50
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people who say Drake doesn't have
17:52
Speaker 1: a classic album. I think take Care as a classic.
17:55
Speaker 1: I just don't think it's like it's not a consensus
17:59
Speaker 1: like yo, undeniable, nobody's gonna say shit to you if
18:02
Speaker 1: you say, you know, a Quimini from Outcast is a classic, Like,
18:07
Speaker 1: who's gonna say, like, you know what I'm saying, take care,
18:10
Speaker 1: there's some, there's some, you know some, there might be
18:13
Speaker 1: an argument. I had this argument with my manager the
18:16
Speaker 1: other day, and I was like, go back and play
18:18
Speaker 1: the album because I think a lot of people don't
18:20
Speaker 1: realize that all those records were on that same album right, right,
18:23
Speaker 1: right a lot of times because Drake had Drake has
18:25
Speaker 1: had a crazy run. He's still in his run, right,
18:27
Speaker 1: but at that time, he was just literally like he
18:29
Speaker 1: owned the radio, he owned all the spaces. But Kendrick, yeah, bro,
18:33
Speaker 1: like yeah, Kendrick had his own record on there. So
18:37
Speaker 1: when you go back and listen, like how many hit
18:39
Speaker 1: records he had on there that weren't like even for
18:41
Speaker 1: a radio that's just like, yo, this is just Drake.
18:44
Speaker 1: You know, I think you'll you can say that one
18:47
Speaker 1: is a classic. I don't know what whatever Crew Level
18:49
Speaker 1: was on there, right, yeah, yeah, crew Love. Yeah, you know,
18:53
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you. I think it's a classic,
18:55
Speaker 1: but I just think that it's not like, you know,
18:58
Speaker 1: I think I'm just waiting for Drake to drop a
19:02
Speaker 1: project that like, upon first listen, you're like, oh my god.
19:07
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that take Care is not that,
19:09
Speaker 1: but I just mean, like you can't say shit about
19:12
Speaker 1: Good Kid Mass City. Yeah No, Like if someone told you, like, nah,
19:16
Speaker 1: that ain't a classic, you know, like like you'd be like,
19:18
Speaker 1: you're like, shut the fuck up. But a lot of
19:21
Speaker 1: people whose opinion you would respect and hip hop might
19:25
Speaker 1: not say to take Care as a class I just
19:27
Speaker 1: mean it's a classic to me, to you subjectively, we
19:30
Speaker 1: all have our own classics, you know what I'm saying.
19:32
Speaker 1: But I just don't think Drake's got that one that
19:34
Speaker 1: like there's no argument for I think the reason why
19:37
Speaker 1: I take Care is in a classic because it's not
19:39
Speaker 1: a themed album. I think the skits on Good Kid
19:42
Speaker 1: Mass City is what makes it this classic body of work.
19:44
Speaker 1: The same thing with a Tip of a Butterfly or
19:47
Speaker 1: even Damn. But it's like it's a cohesive body of
19:49
Speaker 1: work to where you cannot deny it. And creatively it
19:52
Speaker 1: was like a lot of just risk taking. Yeah, I
19:56
Speaker 1: just think, Yeah, I don't know, man, I love Drake.
19:59
Speaker 1: Nothing was the same my favorite Drake album, But I
20:01
Speaker 1: do think take Care my book is classic. Yeah, I
20:05
Speaker 1: used to nothing was the same clouds because that's more known. Really. Yeah,
20:09
Speaker 1: the clouds is like when you see those clouds, oh
20:12
Speaker 1: the clouds on the album cover. Yeah, oh yeah that
20:14
Speaker 1: was That's not my Drake my favorite Drake project. Just
20:16
Speaker 1: a great album. Yeah, but it made sense, you know
20:18
Speaker 1: exactly what I'm talking about looking at those clouds. It
20:20
Speaker 1: makes sense. So yeah, so what what spark? Now you're independent?
20:26
Speaker 1: What's next for you? This this project is out, it's
20:28
Speaker 1: been going crazy, But what's next for you? So? I
20:31
Speaker 1: got two projects in the works. I got Ignorance Part
20:35
Speaker 1: two that I'm kind of iffy on putting out because
20:37
Speaker 1: Ignorant Part one was dedicated to my brother and I
20:39
Speaker 1: don't want to step on his toes, you know, uh,
20:42
Speaker 1: and like kind of try to recreate some energy when
20:44
Speaker 1: it was like really organic. And then I'm working on
20:47
Speaker 1: on my debut even though nobody's looking for it. I'm
20:50
Speaker 1: like literally just putting songs away. So you're like official album,
20:54
Speaker 1: like they are official, like more than seven tracks. I've
20:57
Speaker 1: never put out a eping that's more than seven tracks.
20:59
Speaker 1: I want to really have something where like it's undeniable
21:02
Speaker 1: from top to bottom. So I'm sitting on fifty sixty records,
21:06
Speaker 1: like every artist you know, sitting on a whole lot
21:08
Speaker 1: of records and just wait for the right time to
21:09
Speaker 1: put it out because I what's the right time? Though
21:12
Speaker 1: there is no right time, but like, how do you
21:14
Speaker 1: determine that. I hate when people say that I'm waiting
21:16
Speaker 1: for the right time to put something, but I don't know.
21:19
Speaker 1: It was the right to put out idols when I
21:21
Speaker 1: put it out. But a lot of people using the
21:23
Speaker 1: pandemic on why they're not putting music. I'm like, you're
21:25
Speaker 1: fucking tripping. People are at home with nothing to do
21:28
Speaker 1: and they're listening to music. Yeah. I just feel like
21:31
Speaker 1: my thing is I always want to put out a
21:32
Speaker 1: body of work that is cohesive. Every one of my
21:35
Speaker 1: body of works was themed, every single one of them.
21:37
Speaker 1: So I don't want to just put out a body
21:39
Speaker 1: of work just like oh, this is music here, you
21:40
Speaker 1: can have it. I might put out a single, but
21:43
Speaker 1: I don't want to just put out something that it's
21:44
Speaker 1: not like, Oh, I understand what you're trying to do here,
21:46
Speaker 1: because I feel like that's the biggest thing for me
21:49
Speaker 1: as an artist, Like Yo, he's telling stories with everything
21:52
Speaker 1: he does, and everybody at work meant something to him.
21:57
Speaker 1: You talked about obviously the capital deal came into play
22:03
Speaker 1: and a lot of people are trying to sign you.
22:07
Speaker 1: Can you talk about like you said you were eating
22:09
Speaker 1: dinner and someone called you. Yeah, so I was eating dinner,
22:12
Speaker 1: well Thanksgiving dinner. It was like three years ago. This
22:15
Speaker 1: is years ago. Yeah, I had dropped. This is when
22:19
Speaker 1: I had dropped a many of your time, and Top
22:20
Speaker 1: caused me and he didn't He said, all I'm gonna
22:23
Speaker 1: hit you, but I didn't think he was gonna hit
22:24
Speaker 1: me on Thanksgiving. So I'm like, who is this? He's like,
22:26
Speaker 1: this is Top. I'm like what, Like, you know what
22:28
Speaker 1: I'm saying? It was Top. So that that kind of
22:30
Speaker 1: like solidified what I was really really doing at that time.
22:33
Speaker 1: Where you already did you already make the decision to uh?
22:35
Speaker 1: I was already signed the Capital at the time, but
22:37
Speaker 1: I had already fulfilled my deal. But I still need
22:38
Speaker 1: to give him another project because I wanted to put
22:40
Speaker 1: the project out. So long story short, took the meeting
22:43
Speaker 1: with Top. He was fucking with what I was doing,
22:45
Speaker 1: but then I still had to fulfill the rest of
22:47
Speaker 1: my duties. To Capital, and I you know, I love
22:49
Speaker 1: top Dog, Like I think that's one of those labels
22:51
Speaker 1: that represent artistic in tech, what you're doing real Like, yeah,
22:54
Speaker 1: them Dreamville. I don't know what they're finna do with
22:57
Speaker 1: pg lang, but that might be a pocket. But yeah,
23:00
Speaker 1: I really love what the guys over there that top
23:02
Speaker 1: Dog is doing. And like, like I said, I ended
23:04
Speaker 1: up staying at Capitol, you know, for filling the rest
23:06
Speaker 1: of my deal. But yeah, I would love to work
23:08
Speaker 1: with top of like he understands what I'm trying to say.
23:11
Speaker 1: So the video you shot that went viral, It's there's
23:16
Speaker 1: been a lot of videos that have been similar to
23:18
Speaker 1: that video since it came out. Yeah. Yeah, I remember
23:21
Speaker 1: specifically when the Baby put out his video. What song
23:25
Speaker 1: was it? The Baby? He did it for the Rock
23:28
Speaker 1: the Rockstar remix ye ye, yep, when he did a
23:30
Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter remix Yeah, and very similar almost to
23:37
Speaker 1: the t Yeah. How did you feel when you saw that?
23:43
Speaker 1: I think now because I think the Baby was like
23:45
Speaker 1: the last person that's done it right. Well yeah, because
23:48
Speaker 1: there was some other artists similar. Yeah, but uh, long
23:53
Speaker 1: story short, the Baby did and I kind of felt like, yo,
23:57
Speaker 1: I'm here to inspire. I can't be mad. And I
24:00
Speaker 1: inspired somebody, you know. And I may not even have
24:02
Speaker 1: inspired the baby. I may have inspired his director or
24:05
Speaker 1: his team. Yeah, we were talking about that. I was like,
24:07
Speaker 1: I'm not sure the baby like saw that and was like,
24:09
Speaker 1: let's do that. It might have been a subconscious effort
24:11
Speaker 1: on his director whoever his videographer was, because it was
24:15
Speaker 1: it was like damn yeah. But then again, I put
24:17
Speaker 1: out that video back in twenty seventeen. Who's to say
24:19
Speaker 1: that his director had that in his subconscious and didn't
24:22
Speaker 1: even remember like how to exactly. Yeah, you know, so
24:25
Speaker 1: like like I said, like he was telling the story.
24:27
Speaker 1: And if if your director is getting inspired to tell
24:31
Speaker 1: a story something similar to what I did, you know,
24:33
Speaker 1: push pushing the same message. I was gonna say, like,
24:36
Speaker 1: did you any sort of communication with him or his
24:40
Speaker 1: camp at all about it? Now? I had tweeted. I
24:43
Speaker 1: was like, Yo, this looks very familiar, and I was it.
24:45
Speaker 1: That tweet kind of went up, got a bunch of
24:47
Speaker 1: like replies and retweets and shit like that. So that
24:50
Speaker 1: was it. But I didn't I didn't reach out to nobody.
24:52
Speaker 1: It ain't It's not my business, you know, what I'm saying.
24:55
Speaker 1: I got I got my bag, I got my deal
24:57
Speaker 1: off that video. So it's like, if you want to
24:59
Speaker 1: eat too, go ahead. You know, I'm still eating off
25:01
Speaker 1: that song. So it's like, yeah, when you when your
25:03
Speaker 1: videos are so like conceptually, so dope, like is it?
25:08
Speaker 1: It's like, is it hard to like out like like
25:11
Speaker 1: when you shoot videos like that that are so conceptually
25:17
Speaker 1: at a high level, Like can it be frustrating to
25:21
Speaker 1: just shoot a regular video or just like everything, Like
25:23
Speaker 1: I feel like you like you gotta I don't know,
25:26
Speaker 1: I'll do yourself, but like that shit, you know you
25:29
Speaker 1: got some crazy visuals. Bro. I think I write. I
25:32
Speaker 1: write songs visually, so I see the video first video
25:36
Speaker 1: as I'm writing while you're writing. Literally, like when I
25:39
Speaker 1: just was doing a freestyle, I have my eyes closed.
25:41
Speaker 1: I literally literally visually see what I'm saying. So a
25:44
Speaker 1: lot of times it's not hard to come up with
25:45
Speaker 1: these conceptual videos. It's hard to execute them sometimes because
25:48
Speaker 1: sometimes the idea is so grand and now, being independent,
25:51
Speaker 1: you ain't got capital that spend fifty thousand on the video,
25:54
Speaker 1: you know, like you got to come out of pocket.
25:56
Speaker 1: So yeah, I literally visually write every song, every video.
26:00
Speaker 1: I don't know if a lot of people know, but like,
26:02
Speaker 1: like I directed and wrote those treatments for all of it.
26:04
Speaker 1: But he said, you shot that video you yourself? Right? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, literally,
26:09
Speaker 1: that shit's crazy on a on a camp, I just
26:12
Speaker 1: put the camera on the floor. That was kool aid
26:14
Speaker 1: and corn starch, the blood. Yeah, but I spent seven
26:18
Speaker 1: dollars on that video and that video changed my life.
26:20
Speaker 1: That's fucking crazy. Artists out there, don't make no fucking
26:23
Speaker 1: excuses about what you should be doing, because you can
26:26
Speaker 1: make this shit happen. They're cheap. I want I wanted
26:29
Speaker 1: to ask you. Obviously we're at the end of the year,
26:31
Speaker 1: what's your who's your like, what's your favorite album of
26:34
Speaker 1: the year. We're just talking about the Grammy nominations, but
26:36
Speaker 1: what's your personal top album in twenty twenty? Top album
26:38
Speaker 1: twenty twenty is definitely No Love Lost by Blast That's fair.
26:42
Speaker 1: That is that an EP? That's I don't know what
26:44
Speaker 1: that is, but it's EP. But no, we were just
26:47
Speaker 1: talking about Blasting there. Yeah yeah, yeah, so about that.
26:50
Speaker 1: And by the way, the way he shopped the videos,
26:52
Speaker 1: yeah crazy. So the Homie City James directed that and
26:56
Speaker 1: he's five. You go tapping with City James and look
26:58
Speaker 1: at his videos. My god, he's really like he's vague.
27:02
Speaker 1: Yeah man, yeah, so yeah, so yeah, all right. So
27:06
Speaker 1: if we want to say blast album is not an album,
27:08
Speaker 1: so it's called that an EP EP. He's got the
27:11
Speaker 1: Deluxe coming out, which will kind of fill it out
27:13
Speaker 1: to be down because I'm drawing a blank here. Let
27:16
Speaker 1: me see who while you're While you're looking that up,
27:18
Speaker 1: let's go through the best hip hop album nominees and
27:21
Speaker 1: who you think will win. We got Alfredo from Freddy
27:25
Speaker 1: Gibbs and Alchemist. We got Royce's album d Smoke, Black Habits,
27:31
Speaker 1: NAS's King Disease, and Jay Electronica. I think either Freddy
27:40
Speaker 1: or NAS is gonna win. They might give it Knas
27:42
Speaker 1: might be the clear winner. You know what's funny is
27:44
Speaker 1: I said the same thing. I'm like, Freddy should win,
27:45
Speaker 1: but they might just give it to NABS because Nas
27:47
Speaker 1: never had a Grammy out of respect for the culture.
27:49
Speaker 1: So I would say one of the biggest albums and
27:52
Speaker 1: hip we say that hip hop no, no, your favorite,
27:55
Speaker 1: like album of the year, I would say, because I
27:59
Speaker 1: don't really be listening, I was like that but if
28:01
Speaker 1: I'm say albums that I listen to, I would say
28:03
Speaker 1: Pop Smoke, that sh At the Stars. That was a
28:05
Speaker 1: great That's a great album for me. It's a great
28:08
Speaker 1: album that I listened to because I've been listening to
28:10
Speaker 1: like a lot of EPs and like that, like you
28:13
Speaker 1: do you funk with ke Bell? You know of course
28:16
Speaker 1: his little I think it was after Hours. Yeah, he's dope,
28:19
Speaker 1: He's dope. That was great. He's going to put a
28:20
Speaker 1: shirt on them that that guy never put a shirt
28:25
Speaker 1: on my guy. But uh yeah, so yeah, I think
28:28
Speaker 1: those those projects really are something that I listened to
28:32
Speaker 1: a lot, like on repeat, especially like I was saying,
28:34
Speaker 1: like that Blast project, I'm glad you said his name
28:36
Speaker 1: because I didn't know if it was Ion or because
28:39
Speaker 1: because it's with the X is in his name, So
28:41
Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm glad now I know how to say
28:43
Speaker 1: his name. I don't know if he's trying to do
28:45
Speaker 1: like you know, how a Blast got like the X
28:46
Speaker 1: in his Maybe that's why he's doing it, Like that
28:48
Speaker 1: X kind of looks like a K. I don't know.
28:50
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know why he did that.
28:51
Speaker 1: I had to ask him, like yo, just because I
28:53
Speaker 1: went to high school him, he went to We went
28:55
Speaker 1: the same high school. His project is dope though a
28:57
Speaker 1: lot of he look, there's like a lot of dope
28:59
Speaker 1: ship coming out of l A on the R and
29:01
Speaker 1: B side. Yeah, bro l a kind of kind of
29:03
Speaker 1: doing that damn thing. Bro real definitely, No, I agree.
29:06
Speaker 1: I think Blast is uh you know, if we're talking
29:10
Speaker 1: about just bodies of work, EPs albums, it's up there man. Yeah.
29:15
Speaker 1: And I didn't know. I was looking at the credits
29:17
Speaker 1: the other day. Bro, he's producing all that himself. Yeah,
29:19
Speaker 1: I was. He was up here for the podcast and
29:21
Speaker 1: he's like Russ. He records himself, mixes and produces and
29:25
Speaker 1: masters and like he does everything himself. Yeah it's crazy. Yeah,
29:28
Speaker 1: I record, mixed and master all my stuff, but I
29:31
Speaker 1: don't produce the beats like that making his own level,
29:34
Speaker 1: Like we start producing your ship. Well, you know the
29:35
Speaker 1: Kaaling record, the pull Up and get right with It,
29:39
Speaker 1: he produced that. Wow so that that he that's his
29:41
Speaker 1: beat over that Kaling record. Yeah, it's crazy, super crazy.
29:45
Speaker 1: Shout out to Blast man. Yeah you got music with Blast. Yeah,
29:48
Speaker 1: we gotta we got like a song we hit that.
29:51
Speaker 1: I don't know, but hit boy. Yeah, Hip Hip produced
29:53
Speaker 1: it me him and hit. It sounds like a big
29:55
Speaker 1: move man, as like a big move for the city.
29:57
Speaker 1: It hit clear, that ship hit clear that shit. So
30:01
Speaker 1: that'd be some dope shit. That'd be some dope shit.
30:02
Speaker 1: That's the record we did like a year maybe year
30:04
Speaker 1: and a half ago. Yeah, and that's before you know,
30:07
Speaker 1: Blast was Blast. Yeah, he had literally just put up
30:10
Speaker 1: off the strength, Like, yo, brother, fuck with your shit,
30:12
Speaker 1: let's work. You know what I'm saying. I ain't even
30:13
Speaker 1: tapped in with him. I'm like, bro fly, young man,
30:16
Speaker 1: do your thing. You know. I don't want to be
30:17
Speaker 1: the guy that, like, yo, remember this this record we got,
30:20
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to do that. Bro Fly,
30:21
Speaker 1: spread your wings my guy, because I'm rooting for you
30:24
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah. That pop Smoke album though. They did
30:26
Speaker 1: a great job with him, man, I thought that, you know,
30:28
Speaker 1: it's hard to pull off an album when someone's not
30:30
Speaker 1: here anymore, especially you're kind of knowing that probably a
30:33
Speaker 1: lot of those songs weren't finished. They did a masterful job. Yeah, yeah, Yeah,
30:39
Speaker 1: I wondered. I was wondering how they pulled off certain things,
30:41
Speaker 1: and I don't know how much, how much fifty. He
30:43
Speaker 1: had his hands in it, but that was it was
30:44
Speaker 1: It was dope because he had a couple of great
30:46
Speaker 1: records on there. Oh yeah, solid body of your work. Yeah,
30:50
Speaker 1: shout out to pop Smoke. So we don't have any
30:53
Speaker 1: sort of So you're you're thinking about dropping uh well,
30:56
Speaker 1: you're putting records in site for your album? Yeah, thinking
30:58
Speaker 1: about dropping a follow up EP? Yeah next year, early
31:02
Speaker 1: next year. Yeah, I'm not gonna do it this year
31:04
Speaker 1: if I'm not, if I'm me, shit, we got three
31:06
Speaker 1: weeks left. Yeah right, so yeah, so yeah, either most
31:13
Speaker 1: likely early next year January February probably another EP and
31:16
Speaker 1: then begin working towards the album. But my manager was
31:20
Speaker 1: telling them, like, bro, just keep dropping EPs, just keep
31:22
Speaker 1: dropping a little small by sized bodies of work until
31:24
Speaker 1: people are begging for an album and then just doing
31:26
Speaker 1: ye man, run up that catalog. Yeah bro, that's what Yeah, Bro,
31:29
Speaker 1: that's just you know, getting you know, my first independent
31:32
Speaker 1: Spotify check. I'm like, I'm gonna run up this catalog.
31:34
Speaker 1: Just keep going because yeah, because now now you got
31:36
Speaker 1: the you got the listeners, you got the monthly listeners
31:38
Speaker 1: that are tapped in, they'll get that release radar, you know, Yeah,
31:41
Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy that we're talking out loud about this,
31:43
Speaker 1: Like it's like something you got to think about, Like, Okay,
31:46
Speaker 1: I got people on Spotify listening, so I gotta keep
31:49
Speaker 1: on feeding them. Yeah, so it hits their algorithm and
31:52
Speaker 1: their algorithmic playlist, their daily mixes and all that shit. Yeah. Man,
31:56
Speaker 1: but it's just the world we're in, man. That's yeah,
31:58
Speaker 1: that's where we're at. And that's I realized, like you can't,
32:01
Speaker 1: especially as an independent artists. You can't wait too long.
32:03
Speaker 1: You cannot wait too long. Too long, but you also
32:06
Speaker 1: can't overdo it, you know. So I'm like, okay, cool,
32:08
Speaker 1: I don't know who said it, Like you should kind
32:11
Speaker 1: of try to be on a three to four month
32:13
Speaker 1: when you independent, if you're doing EPs, three to four
32:14
Speaker 1: month radius to where it's like drop something with a
32:17
Speaker 1: couple of months, d drop something, because if you keep
32:18
Speaker 1: smacking people over the head every thirty days, they're gonna
32:21
Speaker 1: start listening. That's too much unless you're doing singles, yeah,
32:23
Speaker 1: but before projects definitely. I don't know if I'm like
32:26
Speaker 1: a single artist at this point, just like like I
32:30
Speaker 1: like bodies of work towards like, oh I see what
32:31
Speaker 1: he trying to do not for sure, Yeah, yeah, I
32:33
Speaker 1: mean I get it and doing the EP thing smart, Yeah,
32:36
Speaker 1: I like, I actually like it that way. I feel
32:37
Speaker 1: like giving people's bite sized amounts of content, it's it's
32:41
Speaker 1: the way to go. I don't I get I see
32:43
Speaker 1: an album with nineteen songs on it get scared, like
32:46
Speaker 1: that's too much. Yeah, man, it's too much for me.
32:49
Speaker 1: It's a lot. There's no bros. There's like three people
32:52
Speaker 1: in the game that I will listen to their whole album. Well,
32:55
Speaker 1: I mean, especially if it's nineteen songs. Yeah, I think
32:58
Speaker 1: Dot can drop a he could drop a forty song
33:01
Speaker 1: album and I'm in whatever Kendrick wants to just whatever, Like, yeah,
33:07
Speaker 1: I think that and Cold do you think of Drake
33:08
Speaker 1: Dropp a forty song album? You listen to all of it?
33:10
Speaker 1: I didn't listen to all the Scorpion answer your question. So,
33:13
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I might have listened to all
33:15
Speaker 1: of it, but it was like in pieces because it
33:17
Speaker 1: was like a technically a double double album double was
33:19
Speaker 1: half all. I like the R and B side to
33:21
Speaker 1: be honest a lot on the Scorpion, but now like Drake,
33:26
Speaker 1: it took me a while, Like if Kendrick drops a
33:28
Speaker 1: forty song album, I'm gonna smoke some weeds, sit in
33:31
Speaker 1: my man cave fucking and just zone out for two hours.
33:35
Speaker 1: Two hours, yeah, and just be like, Yo, there's no
33:38
Speaker 1: way Kendrick's gonna drop a forty song album and it
33:41
Speaker 1: not be a masterpiece. Drake drop a forty song album,
33:44
Speaker 1: You're like, well, you know that Chris Brown did? That?
33:48
Speaker 1: Was it last year? Christ thirty six? Albums thirty six?
33:51
Speaker 1: It was some crazy some of the Red Moon or
33:53
Speaker 1: something like that? Was man. I was like, Yo, damn Breezy,
33:58
Speaker 1: I'll fuck with you, bro, But I'm I mean, I
34:01
Speaker 1: got ship to do, I got life to live. The
34:05
Speaker 1: songs I need to hear will make their way to me. Yeah, Bro,
34:09
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like I was just talking
34:10
Speaker 1: about that. That Chris Brown record is one of my
34:12
Speaker 1: favorite records right now though him a young thug. Oh yeah,
34:15
Speaker 1: I listened to that record every day. Again, that's a
34:17
Speaker 1: radio record I don't typically Yeah, crazy, great beautiful song.
34:22
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, bro, So shout to Chris Brown, man, Yeah. Many.
34:26
Speaker 1: Let me ask you something is Chris Brown? Is he
34:31
Speaker 1: the most talented artist we've ever seen? I think he
34:33
Speaker 1: would be I think unfortunately that incident with him Rihanna. No, No,
34:37
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about is he
34:39
Speaker 1: the most talented artist. I'm saying yes. I feel like
34:41
Speaker 1: he would be god level had he not done some
34:43
Speaker 1: stuff in his adolescence. I think he's god level. You
34:46
Speaker 1: think he is. I don't think he gets to shine
34:47
Speaker 1: and he deserves. But I'm not talking about the shine
34:49
Speaker 1: or the record. I'm talking about talent. Yeah, god level. Yeah.
34:55
Speaker 1: I've been extremely critical of Chris Brown and his personal
34:57
Speaker 1: decisions outside of the Rihanna thing. Yeah, but Jesus Christ's
35:03
Speaker 1: he's out of this world. I'm like, how do you
35:04
Speaker 1: still are you making fifty song projects? Bro? He's an
35:08
Speaker 1: alien man and he can dance. He can paint a
35:11
Speaker 1: mural on a Ferrari Yeah, he can sing a jump
35:14
Speaker 1: shot yeah, solid on the Celebrity Basketball game. Yeah he was.
35:19
Speaker 1: He was really mixing people. He could act. Yeah. Yeah.
35:23
Speaker 1: I think about like I said, I hope we give
35:26
Speaker 1: that man his roses, bro, because he's really a great
35:29
Speaker 1: yeah man, And I'm being very critical, but I'm like, yo, like,
35:32
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's been another more talented human
35:34
Speaker 1: being that we've seen in the public eye besides Chris Brown.
35:37
Speaker 1: Now you might argue that there's people who's made better music,
35:39
Speaker 1: but just pure talent. Chris Brown has got people. Chris
35:43
Speaker 1: Brown makes phenomenal music. Who's really making better music than
35:46
Speaker 1: Christ Down? I mean, you know, I think if I
35:48
Speaker 1: mean not anymore, I was gonna say Kanye, but not anymore,
35:52
Speaker 1: But Jesus Jesus King is it could turn. I don't
35:56
Speaker 1: know all this fucking that non No song Kanye Drop
35:59
Speaker 1: is the worst fucking Kanye song he's ever released besides
36:02
Speaker 1: the The Scoop shit. But that was he was trolling
36:06
Speaker 1: and that beat was fire on the poop the Scoop shit.
36:08
Speaker 1: That beat was crazy what I wanted to I really
36:10
Speaker 1: would have loved to have heard what Drake did on
36:12
Speaker 1: that because that was Drake's beat. Yeah, that's what Drake
36:15
Speaker 1: was saying, like Kanye gave it to him, did that
36:16
Speaker 1: shit on top of it. But yeah, I just hope
36:19
Speaker 1: Kanye pulls his head out the ground and just starts
36:21
Speaker 1: getting back. I don't know, man, I don't know how
36:23
Speaker 1: if he can be as a greade of an artist
36:24
Speaker 1: as we would want him to be while he's like
36:27
Speaker 1: a hardcore Christian. I think I know one of the
36:31
Speaker 1: producers that's over there, Damn Joints, and he's like, really
36:34
Speaker 1: out of this Them Joints produced the Not on Us. Yeah,
36:36
Speaker 1: great beat, Yeah bro. So I know that because I've
36:39
Speaker 1: written records with him and he's produced a couple records
36:42
Speaker 1: for me. He's artistic integrity. So I'm pretty sure if
36:44
Speaker 1: he's rubbing shoulders with Kanye, I'm pretty sure in the
36:48
Speaker 1: next project. I have faith in this next body of while.
36:50
Speaker 1: So I just feel like people are just like, I'm
36:52
Speaker 1: just happy to be in the room with Kanye. Let
36:54
Speaker 1: him do whatever bullshit he wants to do, and we're
36:56
Speaker 1: just here for it because he's yay and we grew
36:58
Speaker 1: up loving him. And yeah, he's my favorite artist ever. Yeah,
37:02
Speaker 1: like number one. I mean he's not my favorite MC ever,
37:05
Speaker 1: But like artists wise, I don't feel like anyone's ever
37:07
Speaker 1: made better music and hip hop than Kanye West. Yeah. Artistry, yeah,
37:10
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think nobody. Yeah, I think if
37:14
Speaker 1: I think, if Kendrick gives us something completely different on
37:17
Speaker 1: his next project, this is what I always say to people, right,
37:21
Speaker 1: So everyone puts Biggie in there, and I put Biggie
37:26
Speaker 1: in my top ten. Bigg's one of my favorite rappers ever.
37:30
Speaker 1: But Biggie is consistently putting people's top five, top three,
37:34
Speaker 1: top two, whatever off of two albums two Right two classics,
37:39
Speaker 1: Life After Death, Ready to Die, incredible bodies of work,
37:43
Speaker 1: undisputable classic albums. But Kendrick he's dropped. I mean, I
37:51
Speaker 1: can can consider section eighty at classic. But if we
37:53
Speaker 1: with discard section eighty because some people it wasn't a mixtape.
37:56
Speaker 1: You couldn't download it for free, you had to buy
37:57
Speaker 1: it on iTunes. But if you just take his three
38:01
Speaker 1: albums that came out through Interscope untitled A side, like,
38:06
Speaker 1: you gotta put Kendrick, He's like four or five all
38:09
Speaker 1: time in my book, man, Like, I don't see how
38:11
Speaker 1: you could, like, like when you drop music that's on
38:16
Speaker 1: that level three times in a row, four times in
38:19
Speaker 1: a row to me, you know, because I think section
38:20
Speaker 1: eighty's amazing, Like, bro, what are we talking about? I
38:24
Speaker 1: think it's just because he's young and he's here right now.
38:27
Speaker 1: That's what it is. That's what it is. And Michael's thinking, oh,
38:29
Speaker 1: maybe it's recency bias. Like no, Kendrick is fucking that dude, Bro,
38:36
Speaker 1: and nobody wants to smoke with Kadot Who would? Who would?
38:40
Speaker 1: Who would do that? This man has been throwing subliminal
38:42
Speaker 1: shots at Drake and Bro. Who wants smoke with Kendrick?
38:47
Speaker 1: Nobody will say his name because they will get destroyed.
38:52
Speaker 1: Like the Control Verse was such a moment man shout
38:54
Speaker 1: out to Kendrick man top five all time top Yeah.
38:59
Speaker 1: I think I think people want to deny that because,
39:01
Speaker 1: like I said, because he's here and a lot of
39:03
Speaker 1: times people, you know, you pass away and you just
39:06
Speaker 1: become this super idol. Lord forbid. If Kendrick passed away,
39:11
Speaker 1: everyone would be like, Yo, he's top three all time,
39:14
Speaker 1: you know, and it's whacked that that's the type of
39:16
Speaker 1: shit that has to happen. Yeah, I think Kendrick is
39:19
Speaker 1: on another level because and I think that's the difference
39:21
Speaker 1: between Cole and Kendrick is Kendrick knows how to make
39:24
Speaker 1: hit records and keep him conscious. Like dam was all
39:26
Speaker 1: hit records, Bro, and they're all conscious records. You can't
39:30
Speaker 1: really me being a conscious artist. I know the difficulty
39:33
Speaker 1: of having some shit that not, but it's like I'm
39:35
Speaker 1: really telling you something, you know that's that's really difficult,
39:39
Speaker 1: you know. So I think if if we want to
39:42
Speaker 1: have that conversation, the top five, come on, Man, I
39:44
Speaker 1: don't know who, Like, I don't know who. You can
39:46
Speaker 1: find four other like who? Yeah, I feel like there's like,
39:50
Speaker 1: you know, probably a six or seven rapper arrange that
39:53
Speaker 1: you could kind of rearrange into, like who's the top five? Ever?
39:55
Speaker 1: But like, I feel like Kendrick's in that conversation. It's close.
39:58
Speaker 1: I want to ask you a question because I'll always
40:00
Speaker 1: ask people this question and nobody can ever answer it.
40:03
Speaker 1: Or let's just say Kendrick, Cole and Drake are at
40:06
Speaker 1: the top of the game. Who's in that space to
40:08
Speaker 1: even be close to it? That's not bound level. It's
40:11
Speaker 1: like a long three mile gap in between that. Who
40:15
Speaker 1: is even a mout up in that gap? You know?
40:18
Speaker 1: What's interesting is I don't think we put Kanye in
40:23
Speaker 1: that conversation because I don't think people think I think
40:27
Speaker 1: Kanye has to be the fourth guy there, just consistency
40:31
Speaker 1: over the last twelve, fifteen years whatever. But I also
40:34
Speaker 1: don't think Kanye like lyrically is on that level. But yeah,
40:40
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, the first name that comes to
40:42
Speaker 1: mind and I would be like a Big Sean maybe
40:45
Speaker 1: or like yeah, but but it's afar, it's far. If
40:51
Speaker 1: Kendrick Cole and Drake are tense, what would Big Sean
40:54
Speaker 1: be a six? No disrespect right right? Right, Well, that's
40:56
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like you seven, eight and nine that
40:59
Speaker 1: you know it's it would have to yeah, Like I'm
41:02
Speaker 1: just trying to think. So I'm thinking Big Sean is
41:05
Speaker 1: kind of that next tier and then like, yeah, I
41:10
Speaker 1: don't know, man, who else is not just just overall greatness.
41:18
Speaker 1: That's that's right now, that's relevant right now. Of course
41:20
Speaker 1: you can throw Dre I mean not Dre Jay in there,
41:23
Speaker 1: jay Z in there, but he's already he's already past
41:26
Speaker 1: the generation. Yeah, I'm thinking right now, And and I
41:29
Speaker 1: think you would have you would have to put Kanye
41:32
Speaker 1: in that top tier. But like, I don't think relevance
41:35
Speaker 1: as an artist at the moment is not what we're
41:37
Speaker 1: looking at ya for at the moment. I think we're
41:39
Speaker 1: looking at him for things he's done already. Yeah, So
41:42
Speaker 1: I would just say that those are the three and
41:46
Speaker 1: I'm not sure where you know, if we're talking like impact,
41:52
Speaker 1: commercial success, artistic integrity, Like yeah, those those are the
41:56
Speaker 1: three and and and and anything below that is very
42:00
Speaker 1: far away, very very very very It's a gigantic gap. Yeah,
42:05
Speaker 1: I mean there's independent artists that are super like I think,
42:08
Speaker 1: you know, I think Freddy Gibbs has had a great
42:11
Speaker 1: run recently, you know, I think you can look at Yeah,
42:16
Speaker 1: but like we're talking Cole Kendrick Drake for ten years.
42:20
Speaker 1: I mean, Good Community was twenty twelve. Yeah, Born Center
42:24
Speaker 1: was twenty twelve, I think, yeah, it was, it was.
42:26
Speaker 1: It was twenty thirteen. It came out the same day
42:28
Speaker 1: as Jesus. Yeah, and Take Take Care was what twenty eleven,
42:33
Speaker 1: twenty twelve? Yeah, yeah, you're right, those are the three.
42:37
Speaker 1: I don't know who else you would say, Man, there's
42:39
Speaker 1: people who've had their pockets and their runs, but like
42:41
Speaker 1: not a decade, bro a decade of consistently being the
42:45
Speaker 1: fucking guys turning on the radio. And it's like, especially Drake,
42:52
Speaker 1: what Drake doesn't play fair, don't I just like, dude,
42:56
Speaker 1: he's so like Drake's no one's ever been able to
43:01
Speaker 1: make songs that are like like he's the biggest hip
43:06
Speaker 1: maker ever. Like it's just not fair, Like Drake can
43:11
Speaker 1: literally do anything, and it's just it's it's number one,
43:14
Speaker 1: or it's it's it's like, it's just really not fair.
43:18
Speaker 1: I think that we've never seen anything like that ever
43:20
Speaker 1: in hip hop. Like what Drake's doing, we've never seen.
43:23
Speaker 1: You could say, well, Wayne had a couple of year
43:25
Speaker 1: run where he was like no, no, no, no, no, no,
43:27
Speaker 1: what Drake's doing, nobody's ever done. You know. It's crazy, though,
43:31
Speaker 1: If I tell you name your top five rappers, people
43:33
Speaker 1: don't even put Drake in the I'm not a big
43:35
Speaker 1: Drake though, because why don't we respect that? Man? My
43:38
Speaker 1: manager told me he was like those references man kind
43:42
Speaker 1: of killed it for me. Man. When I heard the
43:44
Speaker 1: Running through the sixth, I was like, oh, oh, people,
43:48
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get in that discussion. But no, no no,
43:49
Speaker 1: But and the thing is is for me, that's why
43:53
Speaker 1: he can't be in in that discussion. But he could
43:55
Speaker 1: be in the biggest artist of all time discussion. He
43:58
Speaker 1: could be in the biggest hip Like I don't put
44:00
Speaker 1: Kanye in the greatest MC discussion. Yeah, but it's one
44:04
Speaker 1: of the biggest artists. But but yeah, because I know
44:06
Speaker 1: that Kanye openly has people write him for him. Yeah,
44:09
Speaker 1: you know, like Ryan Fest wrote Jesus Walks. I didn't
44:12
Speaker 1: know that. Yeah, Ryan Fest wrote that song. Wow. So
44:15
Speaker 1: you know that doesn't take away from Drake. Like I
44:17
Speaker 1: told you, Kanye is my favorite artist, but I can't
44:19
Speaker 1: put him in that conversation, just like I can't put
44:21
Speaker 1: Drake in that conversation. But Drake don't play fair man.
44:24
Speaker 1: You think Drake got somebody writing his bars? I don't know.
44:27
Speaker 1: I think I mean, you go listen to that he
44:29
Speaker 1: rapped rewrapped all them Quentin Miller bars. Those were verses.
44:31
Speaker 1: But that's not even our favorite Drake project. But do
44:33
Speaker 1: you think he got another secret person? You know a
44:35
Speaker 1: lot of people like that if you're reading this tool, Yeah,
44:39
Speaker 1: people really like that project. Yeah, because that was like him,
44:42
Speaker 1: that was like his rapping ass rapping project. And the
44:44
Speaker 1: fact that that was his rapping ass rapping project and
44:47
Speaker 1: there was what two references I believe there's just not
44:50
Speaker 1: that least three three. Yeah, So that's why I'm like,
44:54
Speaker 1: I don't care, because he makes enjoyable music and he
44:56
Speaker 1: also delivers them because if you listen to the Quentin
44:58
Speaker 1: Miller versions of those songs, they sound as and then
45:00
Speaker 1: Drake gets on him and you're like, oh shit, yeah, Drake,
45:03
Speaker 1: don't play fair, man, it's unfair. No one's ever done
45:06
Speaker 1: what he's he's doing. I'm not sure anyone will ever
45:09
Speaker 1: do what he's doing. Yeah, it's like Drake the Weekend,
45:15
Speaker 1: Bruno Mars. Yeah, like like when we're just talking about
45:20
Speaker 1: commercial success, who the fuck is touching Drake? Bro, he
45:24
Speaker 1: could do another ten years like with his eyes closed. Yeah, Bro,
45:28
Speaker 1: it's it's it's ridiculous. He could do yeah, bro. And
45:31
Speaker 1: I'm a critical Drake fan, like I'm I think that
45:34
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things he hasn't done that I
45:36
Speaker 1: would like to see him do. I would like to
45:38
Speaker 1: see him make a concept project. All right, So look,
45:41
Speaker 1: this is what I'm about to say. Earlier, So I
45:44
Speaker 1: was on a you tapped it on Clubhouse man. I
45:47
Speaker 1: was on there, Man, I got it, bro, but I
45:49
Speaker 1: just like, I don't got time for that. Yeah that shit,
45:51
Speaker 1: take your time, but it's good, like if you're driving
45:53
Speaker 1: or some shit. But like, so, long story short, I
45:55
Speaker 1: was having a conversation and they were saying that Drake
45:58
Speaker 1: isn't one of the best lyricists ever, right, And I
46:01
Speaker 1: was saying, if we like to be wold By like
46:04
Speaker 1: super duper triple on tandras and all the other stuff. Right,
46:08
Speaker 1: But if you can say something so simple that a
46:11
Speaker 1: baby can understand it, a teenager can understand it, and
46:14
Speaker 1: a grandmother can understand it, does that make not make
46:16
Speaker 1: you one of the best lyricists because it's so easily
46:20
Speaker 1: easy to digest. Sometimes Kendrick will say some shit that
46:23
Speaker 1: if you're not a rap head, you have no idea
46:25
Speaker 1: what he's talking about. Same thing with Cole. But if
46:28
Speaker 1: Draken simplifies so much to what every single person can
46:30
Speaker 1: understand it, but it's still the dopest line ever, does
46:33
Speaker 1: that not make him one of the greatest lyricists ever?
46:36
Speaker 1: I think if he's writing those bars, if he's writing them,
46:41
Speaker 1: and yeah, I think Drake is an elite MC yeah, yeah,
46:45
Speaker 1: I just don't know what is he writing? What is
46:49
Speaker 1: he not? I don't know. So the question that I
46:52
Speaker 1: don't know would you be heard? Would you be would
46:54
Speaker 1: you hear lets you say some something came out like
46:56
Speaker 1: cold wasn't rightdow Ship? Would you be hurt? Of course?
46:59
Speaker 1: Of course I'd be like, what like if someone told
47:03
Speaker 1: me Kendrick didn't write his ship or there was I would.
47:05
Speaker 1: I would be heartbroken, That's what That's what Head had
47:07
Speaker 1: asked me, Like, Yo, what if you found out Pockin
47:08
Speaker 1: Biggie had ghostwriters? How would you feel about yourself? I'm like, Dad,
47:12
Speaker 1: I don't know what I would do. I mean, I
47:15
Speaker 1: think that there's a lot of our our I think
47:19
Speaker 1: that there's some substantial situational evidence that Wayne has had
47:24
Speaker 1: some help with some of his bars. I think when
47:27
Speaker 1: this is my own bias, but I think when Drake
47:30
Speaker 1: first came out, I think Drake was helping Wayne with
47:32
Speaker 1: some bars, because there was very similar when Drake had
47:35
Speaker 1: ly the Kid. Yeah, we know that, but that wasn't
47:37
Speaker 1: long cool man. We know that though, because you remember
47:41
Speaker 1: there was such a jump. Yeah, because like Wayne was
47:44
Speaker 1: like block is hot five hundred degrees and then all
47:48
Speaker 1: of a sudden just he was rapping, rapping, and he
47:51
Speaker 1: was always solid, Like I always thought he was the
47:55
Speaker 1: best dude in the Hot Boys as far as like
47:57
Speaker 1: who I like to hear rap? But you know, obviously
47:59
Speaker 1: Droven Out probably made the best music in that era.
48:01
Speaker 1: But there was a big jump man his pen game.
48:05
Speaker 1: He took a fucking leap on Carter one and those
48:08
Speaker 1: squad of mixtapes and all that shit. So yeah, I
48:11
Speaker 1: don't know. I also know people who have been in
48:13
Speaker 1: the studio with Wayne and they're like, he's an alien.
48:15
Speaker 1: He goes in and it's all off the top of
48:16
Speaker 1: his head and it's you know, I'm not I'm a
48:21
Speaker 1: little Wayne fan, but I'm very you know critical. Well,
48:24
Speaker 1: you know people people really put Wayne in Like, if
48:26
Speaker 1: you put Wayne in your top five, I just can't
48:28
Speaker 1: take you serious. Really, I just can't do it, man,
48:30
Speaker 1: my god, I can't do with god. I don't know
48:33
Speaker 1: if Wayne would be top five, but if he definitely
48:35
Speaker 1: in the top seven, come on now, I can't do it.
48:38
Speaker 1: Wayne also had like an eight year run. Well he
48:40
Speaker 1: didn't have a year run. What was it like two thousand?
48:43
Speaker 1: Think about so really think about think about his run. Right, So,
48:49
Speaker 1: I believe Carter one was five. I was still in
48:52
Speaker 1: high school. I was gonna best buy when Carter one
48:54
Speaker 1: came out four oh five. I think it was oh five.
48:58
Speaker 1: I know Carter two was seven or eight, right, and
49:01
Speaker 1: then No. Eight was Carter three. So Carter three came
49:04
Speaker 1: out in eight. I know that for sure. Okay, because
49:07
Speaker 1: that was the first year I ever got arrested. Four
49:11
Speaker 1: was Carter one? Yeah, so that was my junior year
49:13
Speaker 1: in high school? Man, when was Carter two? Was that
49:16
Speaker 1: six o seven five? Wow? Okay my freshman year? Well
49:23
Speaker 1: so think about this, right, Carter one and Carter two.
49:27
Speaker 1: Carter two is my favorite Wayne album. But Carter one
49:29
Speaker 1: and Carter two, Wayne wasn't the biggest fucking guy, Like
49:36
Speaker 1: he wasn't like the guy yet those were albums where
49:39
Speaker 1: people are like, oh shit. Then Carter two came out.
49:41
Speaker 1: He started calling himself the best rapper alive. Right, He
49:43
Speaker 1: had a song on there called exactly And even then,
49:46
Speaker 1: like if you think about Carter two, like what was
49:50
Speaker 1: the hit record, like the undeniable hit record, It wasn't
49:53
Speaker 1: go DJ, wasn't like a super smash and was that
49:55
Speaker 1: was go DJ? Carter one? Yeah, Carter one, So go
49:58
Speaker 1: DJ was Carter one. That record was dope and it
50:01
Speaker 1: got radio play. But like his commercial foot like I
50:06
Speaker 1: think after Carter two he started that feature run in
50:09
Speaker 1: that Drought, the Drought series and all that shit, dedication,
50:12
Speaker 1: dedication shit, and then Carter three was like the cherry
50:16
Speaker 1: on top bro and during that whole run he was
50:18
Speaker 1: just on everybody. Shit. So I would argue to say
50:21
Speaker 1: that Wayne's run as the guy probably started in like
50:26
Speaker 1: seven Carter three dropped, that was the peak, and then
50:29
Speaker 1: by like twenty ten it was Drake's world. Yeah, so
50:33
Speaker 1: you say he had a three year run as the guy,
50:36
Speaker 1: bro as the guy, I don't know. Maybe because I'm
50:38
Speaker 1: a rapper, rapper bro. When he was putting out the
50:40
Speaker 1: Dedication one and that's what two thousand and six, like,
50:44
Speaker 1: come on, now you know what's crazy? I was like,
50:46
Speaker 1: that was a run all my favorite all my favorite
50:48
Speaker 1: Wayne shit is shit isn't even on, like it's all
50:50
Speaker 1: it's on that pif Yeah, bro that yeah Wayne. But
50:56
Speaker 1: I just don't like, no, no, no no, like if you're
50:58
Speaker 1: counting like Carter one all the way. So I just
51:00
Speaker 1: think that after Carter three he dropped No Ceilings, which
51:03
Speaker 1: to me was the last great lyrical little Wayne. Yeah,
51:06
Speaker 1: because I wasn't a fan of Carter four. It had
51:08
Speaker 1: some hits on it. Yeah. By the way, motherfuckers in
51:11
Speaker 1: the comments hate me because I just had J Mills
51:12
Speaker 1: up here and I was shitting on the Carter four.
51:15
Speaker 1: Was not a fan of the Carter four. Huge drop
51:17
Speaker 1: off to me, major, right, And then he did I'm
51:20
Speaker 1: not a human being revolver. He just had a lot
51:23
Speaker 1: of stuff that just wasn't He went to the rock
51:26
Speaker 1: world and it just wasn't like the level of like
51:29
Speaker 1: when even the tapes he dropped after that were just
51:31
Speaker 1: kind of whatever. It was like like no ceilings three
51:33
Speaker 1: just came out and it's like I haven't heard it yet.
51:36
Speaker 1: I mean, it's cool, there's some shit on there. Yeah,
51:39
Speaker 1: but all right, let's just say this. So then the
51:41
Speaker 1: Trump endorsement, you got to knock it out the top ten.
51:45
Speaker 1: But you know why he did it. He did it
51:46
Speaker 1: to get the parted and for these federal charges you got.
51:49
Speaker 1: You gotta know that that's coming. Because he's got those
51:52
Speaker 1: gun charges that they just brought up on him. He
51:53
Speaker 1: might go to prison. I didn't know that. When I
51:56
Speaker 1: saw that, I was like, oh, the Trump thing makes sense.
51:58
Speaker 1: Trump's gonna part of Little Wayne. I put a thousand dollars.
52:01
Speaker 1: Trump has to part in Lil Wayne. There's no way
52:04
Speaker 1: Little Wayne took a picture with his ass. We're in
52:05
Speaker 1: that goofy ass sweater and Trump don't give him a
52:08
Speaker 1: fucking party. How many parties do the president get as
52:10
Speaker 1: many as he wants? It's unlimited. God damn, he getting
52:13
Speaker 1: a party. But look, I'm gonna say this. You're saying that,
52:16
Speaker 1: and I'm not mad at him. If he gets the part,
52:17
Speaker 1: if he gets to parton, it's all good. I get it. Bro,
52:19
Speaker 1: you want to do fifteen years of prisoner, go take
52:21
Speaker 1: a picture with the fucking you know, biggest skysucker in
52:24
Speaker 1: the world. I mean, look, I get it. Hey to
52:27
Speaker 1: each their own, but look, this is what I'm about
52:29
Speaker 1: to say. For you to say that Wayne Runn may
52:31
Speaker 1: not have been that long, but when it comes to
52:33
Speaker 1: influence in today's world, sen is the biggest. Come on,
52:37
Speaker 1: So why is he not in what are we just
52:39
Speaker 1: basing of If he's one of the greatest lyricists we've
52:41
Speaker 1: ever heard, some of his punchlines is out of this world? Right? No? No,
52:45
Speaker 1: I mean I don't know if he's one of the
52:46
Speaker 1: greatest lyricists. Oh my god, he's just a top twenty lyricist.
52:50
Speaker 1: Oh top twenty. Like would you put as a lyricist
52:54
Speaker 1: you said lyricist? Yeah, but he's not a storyteller. He's
52:57
Speaker 1: not gonna give you a story but you But if're
52:59
Speaker 1: talking about saying lyrics sing dope ship, than there I mean,
53:01
Speaker 1: we don't want to dive in that hole because I'll
53:03
Speaker 1: start the name and names that you'll get mad about.
53:05
Speaker 1: So Rayce the five nine is a better lyricistan Little
53:08
Speaker 1: Wayne bro So how this Braddy gives a better lyricists?
53:11
Speaker 1: Little Wayne? Killer Mike's a better lyricist a little Wayne.
53:16
Speaker 1: You said lyricists, You said Loupe Fiasco better lyricist than
53:22
Speaker 1: little is one of the greatest lyricists ever. But he
53:24
Speaker 1: just don't get the like Lil Wayne is not even
53:27
Speaker 1: like sniffing that level of lyricism. So do you think
53:30
Speaker 1: do you think Drake is a better lyricist of those
53:32
Speaker 1: than your name? Because Wayne, do you think when it
53:35
Speaker 1: comes to rapping and punch lines triple on tandras, who's
53:39
Speaker 1: really touching him other than Jay? When it comes to
53:41
Speaker 1: races to five nine? Yeah, loop A Fiasco, Yeah, Killer
53:46
Speaker 1: Mike Uh. I mean, but they're not on that eminem eminem. Yeah,
53:52
Speaker 1: He's is a man of words. Andre three thousand, Andre
53:56
Speaker 1: three thousand. I mean, I could keep going, but I
53:59
Speaker 1: don't don't. I'm not I've never tapped into Royce. I've
54:02
Speaker 1: never tapped into Killer Mike, Jay Electronica, never tapped into
54:06
Speaker 1: Ja Electronica, Jay Electronica, col Rap come on no at
54:11
Speaker 1: all projects because I heard that project. I skimmed through it. Well.
54:15
Speaker 1: That project did not deserve no. I don't disagree with you. Listen.
54:19
Speaker 1: I don't have no disrespect to them. I don't know
54:21
Speaker 1: they washed that man on that record. I don't listen.
54:24
Speaker 1: I don't know Jay Electronica. I have no dog in
54:26
Speaker 1: the Jay Electronica fight. He should not have gotten nominated.
54:30
Speaker 1: There's a there's a some others that probably shouldn't have
54:32
Speaker 1: gotten nominated. But you know some homies of mine that
54:35
Speaker 1: got nominated. I'm happy for. Yeah, what album do you
54:38
Speaker 1: feel like should have got on there? I feel like
54:40
Speaker 1: Roddy rich and Little Baby Little Baby, Bro. Little Baby
54:42
Speaker 1: has had one of the greatest years. Roddy Richard Little Baby. Yeah.
54:45
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so I forgot about right his album came out.
54:50
Speaker 1: But I say a Little Baby is the best album
54:51
Speaker 1: of this year. Then I like Little Baby Baby. I
54:53
Speaker 1: don't album better than crazy about Little Baby is. If
54:56
Speaker 1: you're like a hardcore hip hop head, you can still
54:59
Speaker 1: listen to his album and it's like this ship is fire, bro,
55:02
Speaker 1: He's really talking about some shit. Yeah, Little baby crazy.
55:04
Speaker 1: Now I'm a huge fan of I didn't know bro
55:06
Speaker 1: it was that young. He's like twenty five years old.
55:09
Speaker 1: I think he's younger than that. Twenty five. Yeah they did.
55:11
Speaker 1: They just did the thirty on the thirties twenty five.
55:14
Speaker 1: I think he's twenty five. Yeah, they just did the
55:15
Speaker 1: Forest thirty on the thirty. No, listen, I think Wayne
55:18
Speaker 1: is dope. I just twenty six. He's twenty six. Wow.
55:23
Speaker 1: I thought he was younger than that. I thought he
55:25
Speaker 1: was like twenty two or something. Oh oh, today's birthday,
55:30
Speaker 1: Happy birthday, a little baby yo. So yeah, man, Wayne
55:33
Speaker 1: is fire. But I just think we put so much.
55:36
Speaker 1: He influences different influence. There's I mean, okay, where do
55:41
Speaker 1: you put Tupac in your top as far as influence,
55:44
Speaker 1: He's like number one or two one Yeah, because I'm
55:47
Speaker 1: from the West. No, No No, but like overall, Tupac influenced everybody.
55:50
Speaker 1: Everybody like Tupac is. Probably he's the most influential rapper
55:54
Speaker 1: I think. Ever, Yeah, it's like him. Yay ho Wayne.
55:58
Speaker 1: I feel like where hip hop is and low key
56:02
Speaker 1: future where hip hop is. If you got to give
56:06
Speaker 1: Drake a lot of credit as far as influence like see,
56:09
Speaker 1: I think nobody was singing Drake was influenced by Ita
56:12
Speaker 1: Wates and Heartbreaks, but he was, he was, He didn't
56:15
Speaker 1: say will Yeah, yeah he did. But as far as
56:19
Speaker 1: making a whole career out of rapping and singing, no
56:21
Speaker 1: rappers like hip hop is now typically art. It's like
56:24
Speaker 1: basically it'sodic in R and B. Sure Drake's up there too,
56:28
Speaker 1: nobody was really doing that. That's how Fitty end of
56:31
Speaker 1: Jar rules career. Like Bro, you singing on records, that's
56:33
Speaker 1: what we're doing. Yeah, I think it's Pac. I think
56:35
Speaker 1: Wayne is up there and influence Wayne lyrics, poc storytelling.
56:42
Speaker 1: I want to visualize your lyrics pop well, I don't
56:45
Speaker 1: feel like Pac was gonna give you like crazy crazy bar.
56:47
Speaker 1: He's just gonna make you feel it emotionally. I think Tupac.
56:51
Speaker 1: I would listen to Tupac ten times out of ten
56:53
Speaker 1: over Lil Wayne. Now, do I think Lil Wayne is
56:57
Speaker 1: probably technically a better lyricist like talking about data, Yeah, probably,
57:02
Speaker 1: But Tupac, like you said earlier about Drake, Chupac can
57:05
Speaker 1: say some shit so simple and it just like hits you. Yeah,
57:09
Speaker 1: And that's a fucking talent in itself. It's the emotion
57:11
Speaker 1: in Tupac's voice that that made sense. Yeah what Yeah,
57:15
Speaker 1: but I well, we ain't told about we said Tupac
57:18
Speaker 1: and Wayne. But hold on, I gotta send We got
57:22
Speaker 1: Pete Rock Collen in on zoom, hold on the time
57:24
Speaker 1: of that twol forty five. Okay, we got twenty minutes.
57:28
Speaker 1: Give me a sick Sorry guys, mid podcast text rapping up.
57:37
Speaker 1: So yeah, shout out to Wayne. I'm a Wayne fan.
57:39
Speaker 1: I enjoyed the Wayne. I I like, I enjoy the Wayne.
57:42
Speaker 1: I enjoy But man, man, these young kids, Bro. I
57:45
Speaker 1: had some guy in here tell me that. Bro, there's
57:47
Speaker 1: this kid named Veno, this rapper who I'm working with,
57:51
Speaker 1: and he's twenty three, and with a straight face, he
57:54
Speaker 1: told me no one's had a better ten years in
57:56
Speaker 1: hip hop history than Lil Wayne from ninety eight to eight.
57:59
Speaker 1: And I said from ninety eight, Like what did you
58:03
Speaker 1: just say? I wanted to smack him and kick him
58:06
Speaker 1: out of jay Z. He wasn't think about JAYZ, bro
58:09
Speaker 1: or DMX or fifty or like during that span. Like
58:13
Speaker 1: what Anyway, I don't think anyone's ever had a bigger
58:17
Speaker 1: two or three year running fifty. Yeah, fifty was the
58:20
Speaker 1: biggest motherfucker on the planet. It's fifty. I think the
58:24
Speaker 1: two biggest rappers ever at their peak was Snoop and
58:26
Speaker 1: fifty Like Doggie style Snoop. He's on the cover of
58:30
Speaker 1: Fuck's Peak. Bro, he was. Bro. Now I'm talking about it.
58:34
Speaker 1: I'm talking bro, nah, bro god level. It was a
58:37
Speaker 1: point where Wayne anything that Wayne touched. But I think
58:40
Speaker 1: seven oh Wayne, like he's in that top five run
58:44
Speaker 1: with his peak? How high he got? Bro? You know
58:46
Speaker 1: Wayne's up there his period of time where he was
58:48
Speaker 1: like the biggest, didn't he When was the last time?
58:51
Speaker 1: I know? We in a different ERAa now, But Wayne
58:52
Speaker 1: didn't do like one point three million in a week
58:55
Speaker 1: when he dropped Carter three, Like, come on, now, that's
58:58
Speaker 1: a run bro. You yeah, yeah, I don't think. I think.
59:04
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think Marshall mallers up. He did
59:07
Speaker 1: in the age too well. To be honest, I mean,
59:09
Speaker 1: it's no, no, no no, yeah, But I just think peak
59:12
Speaker 1: is it's Snoop and it's it's fifty. Yeah what fifty
59:16
Speaker 1: sons first week? I don't remember that. Sure you ever
59:19
Speaker 1: remember somebody coming out of the debut album with more
59:21
Speaker 1: anticipation than fifty. Yeah, that shit was crazy. I wonder
59:25
Speaker 1: how the fun did it happen like that because it
59:26
Speaker 1: wasn't like he was doing a crazy feature run. It
59:28
Speaker 1: wasn't like in the Club was that ship, it was
59:31
Speaker 1: a it was it was like, I can't remember a
59:35
Speaker 1: bigger song than in the Club. I remember having that
59:37
Speaker 1: shit on a Casele mixtape on my disc man in
59:40
Speaker 1: high school and me and my friends would just listen
59:41
Speaker 1: to in the Club with all the drops and shoutouts
59:44
Speaker 1: over and over. I feel like I'm gonna say this
59:46
Speaker 1: and this might be crazy. Bro. I feel like as
59:49
Speaker 1: big as The Box was, if we were in the
59:51
Speaker 1: selling record time, I feel like it would have did
59:53
Speaker 1: those type of numbers. Bro. Definitely, the Box was one
59:56
Speaker 1: of the craziest records I've heard. I agree wholeheartedly. Literally,
1:00:00
Speaker 1: my car, Bro, I call that ship right away. When
1:00:02
Speaker 1: I was I was in Hawaii listening to the album
1:00:03
Speaker 1: and they were like, yoyo, we should be playing uh.
1:00:05
Speaker 1: I forget which record that they wanted to play at
1:00:07
Speaker 1: the station because it had a feature on it had
1:00:10
Speaker 1: uh you talking about the one with h the dude
1:00:12
Speaker 1: from the kid from New York. Hey Buggy on it record.
1:00:14
Speaker 1: There was a record on there and they were like,
1:00:16
Speaker 1: no, no no, we're gonna go. This one's got the big
1:00:17
Speaker 1: feature until the label picks it. I'm like, bro, the
1:00:19
Speaker 1: boxes the box like track two, yeah, track two right,
1:00:23
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I heard that. I was like, oh
1:00:25
Speaker 1: my god. I showed it to everybody. I think Roddy
1:00:27
Speaker 1: Rich and Post Malone have the best melodies in the
1:00:30
Speaker 1: history of music. I hate to say that because people
1:00:33
Speaker 1: are gonna hate kill me in the comments, but bro,
1:00:35
Speaker 1: the way Roddy Rich can skate in a verse melodically,
1:00:39
Speaker 1: the pockets he hits on his melodies, it's fucking crazy,
1:00:43
Speaker 1: at least in the in the last like ten years.
1:00:45
Speaker 1: I don't know about the history of There's Michael Jackson,
1:00:46
Speaker 1: there's Quincy Jones, here was fucking you know, Lionel Ritchie
1:00:49
Speaker 1: and shit. But god, did Drake hits some crazy pockets? No, no, Drake.
1:00:52
Speaker 1: But I just think Drake and Post like they're like,
1:00:55
Speaker 1: melody game is so unfair. I'd be like, it's impossible
1:01:00
Speaker 1: for Roddy Rich to not make a song that is
1:01:01
Speaker 1: easy to listen to. Yeah, Like, I've never heard of
1:01:04
Speaker 1: Roddy record that. I'm like, man, turn that shit off. Yeah,
1:01:08
Speaker 1: it's like all his record like post Malone's the same way. Like,
1:01:11
Speaker 1: even if you're not a post Malone fan, all his music,
1:01:13
Speaker 1: you got to get ros here. Oh my god, bro,
1:01:16
Speaker 1: it's crazy. He's one of those artists that literally just
1:01:19
Speaker 1: makes his after hits, that's all he does. And then
1:01:21
Speaker 1: Roddy's gonna be the same way. Yeah. I'm excited to
1:01:23
Speaker 1: see what Roddy does next because I got a feeling
1:01:26
Speaker 1: it's coming soon. We'll see. Been a year since the
1:01:29
Speaker 1: album dropped. Yeah, it came out last December. I was
1:01:32
Speaker 1: in Hawaii. It was just it came out the same
1:01:34
Speaker 1: the same week they Juice World died. Wow. Yeah, it's crazy.
1:01:38
Speaker 1: I remember I was in Hawaii for the first time,
1:01:40
Speaker 1: riding around convertible listening to Roddy's album and found that
1:01:42
Speaker 1: Juice World died. I was like, fuck yeah, shout out
1:01:45
Speaker 1: to uh to Roddy Rich though, But yo, man, your
1:01:48
Speaker 1: project Idols is out, ye go follow. We actually got
1:01:52
Speaker 1: a freestyle dropping with him too that will come out
1:01:54
Speaker 1: a few days after this comes out. So being a
1:01:56
Speaker 1: lookout for that and being a look out for a
1:01:58
Speaker 1: lot of stuff with you, you can stay in the
1:02:00
Speaker 1: him for a while. Yeah. Man, that's the way. I'm
1:02:02
Speaker 1: good on bread, So there you go. Yeah that's bro. Yeah,
1:02:06
Speaker 1: I'm good on bread, so I don't need to do
1:02:09
Speaker 1: no crazy deal. And like I said, it's it's it's
1:02:11
Speaker 1: labels that I would want to work with. Drop some
1:02:12
Speaker 1: fucking merch man. Yeah, you're gonna talk. You gonta run
1:02:15
Speaker 1: that merch up, Bud. Yeah, I'm gonna rush some sh
1:02:17
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