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The Death Defying Duper Mark Olmsted w/ Jamie Loftus (Re-Release) · Scam Goddess

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  Speaker 1: Sca R scam come right, goddess? Oh my god. Well,
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  Speaker 1: hi guys, welcome back to Scam Goddess. This is a
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  Speaker 1: pod dedicated to fraud and all those who practice it.
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  Speaker 1: Each week we break down famous scams and capers and
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  Speaker 1: bring on hilarious comedians to tell us about their own
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  Speaker 1: relationships with scams as well. And today I'm so honored
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  Speaker 1: to have the Jamie loftest actor, stand up, one woman performer,
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  Speaker 1: everything in front of me. Thank you so much for
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  Speaker 1: doing the show.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, I'm so excited.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I'm a big fan of Jamie. I love
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  Speaker 1: doing She has a podcast called The Bechtol Cast, which
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  Speaker 1: I guess you could plug later, but.
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  Speaker 2: We've already plus beloved guests on that show.
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  Speaker 1: So good. I love that show so much. Well, let's
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  Speaker 1: get into it, Jamie. We'll start with What's Hot in Fraud.
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  Speaker 1: So What's Hot in Fraud is a segment where we
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  Speaker 1: warn our listeners about popular scams. If you want to
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  Speaker 1: warn us or tell us about a scam that you
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  Speaker 1: have experienced in your life, please email us at Scam
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  Speaker 1: gooddesspod at gmail dot com. We'd love to share it
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  Speaker 1: on the show. All right, So We're gonna start with
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  Speaker 1: what's hot in fraud. So this is a segment where
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  Speaker 1: we regale our listeners with the hottest newest scams, you know,
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  Speaker 1: to protect them from getting scammed. We only want our
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  Speaker 1: listeners doing our scams right, and we fully support those.
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  Speaker 1: If we call you it's legitimate, it's right.
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  Speaker 2: Because we care. And you know, I think that podcasters
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  Speaker 2: really form this false sense of trust with the people
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  Speaker 2: that listen to them, and that's why podcasters said gray scammers.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but podcast podcasts are scams, yea. So enjoy. This
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  Speaker 1: scam came for me on Twitter and I'll just read
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  Speaker 1: what he wrote. Somebody called me with this phone number.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to say the phone number because I
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  Speaker 1: want that guy to keep scamming. Telling me he was
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  Speaker 1: doing some registration online and he mistakenly put my number
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  Speaker 1: on what he was registering. He said that my number
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  Speaker 1: is similar to his number, and that the password of
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  Speaker 1: what he was registering was sent to my phone. He
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  Speaker 1: was actually now appealing to me to give him a
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  Speaker 1: reset code that was actually sent to my phone so
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  Speaker 1: that he could finish his registration. I got online to
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  Speaker 1: find out more, only to discover that he was actually
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  Speaker 1: trying to reset my bank online Yahoo mail password and
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  Speaker 1: that he's a fraudster. Okay, So one, I just want
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  Speaker 1: to say, sir, why are you operating on Yahoo Male?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean that's honestly not to say he's asking
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  Speaker 2: for it by.
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  Speaker 1: Is for scam. That's a red flag.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Literally, like you use Yahoo Male when you go to
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  Speaker 1: a clothing store and they're like, we'll give you ten
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  Speaker 1: percent off if you give us an email, Like, you shouldn't.
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  Speaker 2: Still be using your first email. You gotta, you gotta.
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  Speaker 2: I still have my I have. If you ever want
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  Speaker 2: to email me and not and I won't see it,
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  Speaker 2: you should email poetry Punk eighteen at MSN dot com.
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  Speaker 2: That's where all the scams go from.
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  Speaker 1: I see that, and I raise you, Little Chica Bonita
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  Speaker 1: nine at aol dot com. Love it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you get the high school graduation year in there.
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  Speaker 1: It's a class and the litl It was all everyone
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  Speaker 1: was like lil back then, Like my cousin has an
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  Speaker 1: email that was a little Blue two thousand and seven.
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  Speaker 1: It was all about what year you were graduating and.
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  Speaker 2: Lil and what you were a little version of exactly
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  Speaker 2: he was a little version of the color blue and
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  Speaker 2: I was a little cheka Anita.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I called myself beautiful in my own email. It
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  Speaker 1: was like email me at beautiful little girl, little girl
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  Speaker 1: graduating not yet. Maybe I should like look into that.
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  Speaker 1: I want to see what kind of emails beautiful little
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  Speaker 1: girl is getting, probably not good ones.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like that is like an email you would
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  Speaker 2: guess to send a scam to.
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  Speaker 1: Also like this. This intrigued me because I guess like
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  Speaker 1: anyone calling you with like any kind of elaborate story
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  Speaker 1: about how they need information from you is always a scam.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I feel like they target people and I
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  Speaker 2: like I've I've come close to falling for it. I've
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  Speaker 2: never gone so far as to give them the info,
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  Speaker 2: but like when they sound like, hey, it would be
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  Speaker 2: really helpful if I am automatically like I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to disappoint anyone.
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  Speaker 1: So you're like an impath for scams, because there's different types.
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  Speaker 1: Because for me, I'm an incentive scammer. So if you
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  Speaker 1: call me and you're like, oh, you know, I'm about
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  Speaker 1: the why are you these this money? All I need
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  Speaker 1: is the taxes and fees, Like I'm more apt to
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  Speaker 1: do that scam than I am like can you help
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  Speaker 1: me out? Blah blah blah, Like nah, fuck you? What
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  Speaker 1: am I getting out of this?
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  Speaker 2: I fall for like the Nigerian Prince scams. I'm just like,
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  Speaker 2: I need It would be so helpful if you I'd
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  Speaker 2: be so I a stranger would be so disappointed in you.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, no, I need that stranger. I
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  Speaker 1: need this stranger to like me. Yeah see, And I guess, like,
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  Speaker 1: and it's cool to kind of figure out the different
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  Speaker 1: strategies because there are people who I think you're a
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  Speaker 1: worst scammer. If you're appealing to people's good nature, I
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  Speaker 1: think that's more fucked up.
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  Speaker 2: I bet yeah, it's more fucked up, and I bet
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  Speaker 2: less effective too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I would think so too.
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  Speaker 1: But at the same time, people like to be liked.
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  Speaker 1: This scam is probably working for him. He's definitely resetting
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  Speaker 1: mad Yahoo accounts with What do you do with that?
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  Speaker 2: Do you think it's like the Yahoo people specifically he
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  Speaker 2: is targeting or is it? Like I guess, I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: how does he How do you get something like this
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  Speaker 2: off the ground?
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  Speaker 1: I have to admire Maybe he's like, Okay, once I
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  Speaker 1: get into your email, then I'll get like more information
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  Speaker 1: about you and then I'll use that.
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  Speaker 2: I think you just reset everything.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, right, because when you have an email, then
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  Speaker 1: you can really reset your whole life. That's the crazy
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  Speaker 1: thing is like Google is the biggest scam. My Google
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  Speaker 1: fucking crashed my Gmail because someone from BuzzFeed sent me
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  Speaker 1: a spam email and I opened it and then it
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  Speaker 1: set on a spam email to everyone in my email account,
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  Speaker 1: and they froze my account and my life fell apart,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, I've given so
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  Speaker 1: much power to Google. Like my calendar stopped working. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, where do I be? What do I do?
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  Speaker 1: Who am I? Like? Lose access to your bank? Raid? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: couldn't send any emails, couldn't tell anybody that I was
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  Speaker 1: off the grid. It was like I had a full on,
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  Speaker 1: like meltdown, like panic attack. I think if that happened
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  Speaker 1: to me, I would just start over in a new city.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah all right, I get a stick and a bandannaut
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  Speaker 1: and I pack all my belongings and I would just
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  Speaker 1: leave this fucking skipped down. You're right, You're right. I
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  Speaker 1: think that's what you have to do when your email
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  Speaker 1: shuts down. It's like, all right, I quit.
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  Speaker 2: All right, I've been canceled for some reason, and I'll
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  Speaker 2: move on.
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  Speaker 1: It's been good America, not that good, but okay, now
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  Speaker 1: I'm leaving the country. But yeah, so that's interesting to
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  Speaker 1: me that, like this is one of those like can
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  Speaker 1: you help me out? Type scams? I am very not
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  Speaker 1: likely to fall for those. You A hang up. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: although if guys, I call you and I meet your
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  Speaker 1: help like, I really care she's she means, so help
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  Speaker 1: me out and give me your Social Security number. I've
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  Speaker 1: already done it and your Yahoo password. Yes, Jamie. I
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  Speaker 1: told Jamie to do the show like she needed.
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  Speaker 2: To give me your social or she didn't like me anymore,
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, yeah, I'll do it.
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  Speaker 1: That was the only payment was my like and approval. Yep,
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  Speaker 1: I'll take it. Also, Jamie, Uh, what what is your
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  Speaker 1: relationship with scams? Have you ever been scammed? Have ever
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  Speaker 1: been involved in a scam? You don't have to talk
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  Speaker 1: about any current scams that you have going but.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, just just retired scams at this point. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: there is a scam that I sort of fell for.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know it got murky, but I for the
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  Speaker 2: past year, I've been interacting a lot with the MENSA.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I love your Messa. They're mean people.
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  Speaker 2: They're mean spirited people, so like, and it kind of
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  Speaker 2: goes without saying that a high IQ society that you
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  Speaker 2: need to pay eighty dollars to join it is a scam. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but it's also like it's so that's the one I
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  Speaker 2: just sort of I just had to saffronize with them
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  Speaker 2: because it was it just like I joined as like
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  Speaker 2: a joke for this piece I was writing and they're
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  Speaker 2: they're like, we'll pay the fee, just like go and
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  Speaker 2: see what they're like and stuff. And they were like,
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  Speaker 2: what a flex.
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  Speaker 1: She's like, I joined MENSA just to write a piece.
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  Speaker 1: They don't let you into MENSA because you pay a fee.
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  Speaker 1: You have to be a genius. I'm sitting with a genius.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's the thing is I think that even the
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  Speaker 2: testing is a scam, Like it was not a difficult test.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because you're a genius.
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  Speaker 2: No, Like I did it in my sleep.
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  Speaker 1: Why everyone can't do this?
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  Speaker 2: There was it was it was the thing that they
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  Speaker 2: were like when I was taking the test, like, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, because you have to be like arrogant enough
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  Speaker 2: to think that you could be a genius. So there's
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  Speaker 2: already like this ego point eventually, which is a.
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  Speaker 1: Big thing in scams. Confidence Like to a point of
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  Speaker 1: egomaniac is like.
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  Speaker 2: And then you won't want to admit that you're wrong
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  Speaker 2: later because you already have been telling people you're a genius.
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  Speaker 2: And but the questions on the test, like there were
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  Speaker 2: some that were there. There was like some math shit
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  Speaker 2: and some pattern shit that was like harder for me,
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  Speaker 2: but there was a whole section on just like do
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  Speaker 2: you know who this famous person is and what's their job?
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  Speaker 2: Like there was you had to you had there. Bill
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  Speaker 2: Cosby was on the test, Oh god, and I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what category he belongs in multiple of
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  Speaker 2: these categories.
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  Speaker 1: This must be an old question. Uh. But so they
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  Speaker 1: also aren't updating the test. It sounds like if Bill
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  Speaker 1: Cosby's on the test, No, it's just.
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  Speaker 2: Like they're they're just I think that they're like going
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  Speaker 2: for uh, like ego maniacs who were like, oh, I'm
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  Speaker 2: probably a genius and then just kind of taking their money.
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  Speaker 1: Yo. That's actually very smart because it's like you can
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  Speaker 1: you have to keep the society exclusive enough that people
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  Speaker 1: feel privileged. But also you got to keep that shit going,
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  Speaker 1: so somebody got to be getting in there to they
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  Speaker 1: in the genius Yeah, and then and then it goes
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  Speaker 1: from there.
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  Speaker 2: Is like once you once you like get in and
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  Speaker 2: you take the test which costs seventy five dollars, then
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  Speaker 2: you got to pay the eighty do fee to actually
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  Speaker 2: join the group, and then you got to participate in
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  Speaker 2: your local group, and then you gotta go to Phoenix
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  Speaker 2: in the summer.
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  Speaker 1: Phoenix. You never had to go to Phoenix. What the
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  Speaker 1: fuck is in Phoenix, Arizona for geniuses?
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  Speaker 2: A lot of people that were mad at me there,
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  Speaker 2: there's there is. I'm like, my biggest fear is confrontation
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  Speaker 2: to my face, and I had maybe one.
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  Speaker 1: Hundred confrontations to my face and.
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  Speaker 2: I'm cured now and I'll never be upset about anything again.
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  Speaker 2: But it was just like the like level of what
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  Speaker 2: were they mad at you about? They were mad at
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  Speaker 2: me because I made fun of them in.
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  Speaker 1: My piece and they all read it because they read.
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  Speaker 2: They were all they all read it, and then they
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  Speaker 2: posted in this secret Facebook group and it was just
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  Speaker 2: like all these insults and all these like I had
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  Speaker 2: never posted in this group, but they were just like
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  Speaker 2: a stupid like she's I hate her eyebrows. That was
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  Speaker 2: there was some such good eyebrows, thank you so much.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I just I was shocked at the low,
• 10:54
  Speaker 2: the low, like Spencer's gift level humor bar, you guys
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  Speaker 2: are genius?
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  Speaker 1: Can you insult me on like an intellectual level?
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  Speaker 2: So challenge me?
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  Speaker 1: Give me an insult. I give you a word problem,
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  Speaker 1: that's an insult?
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  Speaker 2: Right, And then but then and then there was like
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  Speaker 2: a very weird death threat and I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this is serious, like what's going on? And then it
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  Speaker 2: just it just like went spiraled up from there. But
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  Speaker 2: the but just on a base level, like a high
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  Speaker 2: IQ society where you have to already be like I'm
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  Speaker 2: special to get in. It's so easy to take money
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  Speaker 2: from people who believe that they're.
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  Speaker 1: Better than everyone, because that's a different type of scam.
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  Speaker 1: That's the ego. So you're getting the reward of feeling
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  Speaker 1: better than someone. That's like the whole premise of the
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: Firefest was like that got beautiful rich models. You have
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  Speaker 1: to have so much money to go here.
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  Speaker 2: And once and once you're in, like you'll keep paying
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  Speaker 2: to keep appearances up, which.
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  Speaker 1: Is like for all the other snooty intellectuals exactly because
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  Speaker 1: you want to match everyone.
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  Speaker 2: And it's it's weird because I mean that group is
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  Speaker 2: it was, It's like more it was more diverse in
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  Speaker 2: like class background. It is like majority of white people,
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  Speaker 2: but they're there, but it's people from all classes. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, they're they're like scamming some like low income families.
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  Speaker 1: They did well on a test.
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  Speaker 2: They're like, no, come to Phoenix, buy this Deadpool shirt.
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  Speaker 2: We mad Like I got the dead Pool shirt.
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  Speaker 1: That sounds good.
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  Speaker 2: It says brain Pool on it.
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  Speaker 1: Lazy Wow. It's just Deadpool with a big ass head.
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  Speaker 2: It says Brainpool.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look, you got a flex on a hoe,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? You got to show people
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  Speaker 1: that you got that big ass right.
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  Speaker 2: I go out there, I wear my brain Pool shirt
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  Speaker 2: and people line up.
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  Speaker 1: Were there kids in the society?
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  Speaker 2: There are kids, which is which is another thing about
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  Speaker 2: it that freaks me out because it's like, can you
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  Speaker 2: imagine a worst thing to do to a kid than
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  Speaker 2: tell them they're better than everyone?
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  Speaker 1: Like, oh, I loved it. There personally fueled me as
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  Speaker 1: a child was better than everyone. I never did mensa,
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  Speaker 1: but I was a kid like aspiring actor.
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  Speaker 2: I always like, you know, like when you go into
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  Speaker 2: a mall when you're little and you're like, maybe today's
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  Speaker 2: the day, and it's just like, is there some perverse
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  Speaker 2: like that's a scam? Is like wandering the mall and
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  Speaker 2: then just approaching hot kids and being like, do you
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  Speaker 2: want to be a star? Like that could be anyone.
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  Speaker 1: That was the biggest scam of the nineties.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It was like people discovering people at water fountains.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, we were all so exciting.
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  Speaker 1: It was so hot at the water fountain, just sipping
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  Speaker 1: that water, so so.
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  Speaker 2: Slow performing walking in and out of Claire's. It's just
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  Speaker 2: like somebody notice me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the mall's a place for scams and for creeps.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. True.
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  Speaker 1: My friend got inducted into a cult from being at
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  Speaker 1: the mall. No, yeah, they were at the mall and
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  Speaker 1: they got her.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. That's honestly at a mall, I'll fall for almost anything.
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  Speaker 2: I've done the Dead Sea salt Face scrubs.
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  Speaker 1: If you've ever bought something from a mall Kiosk, you've
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  Speaker 1: participated in a scam. Like those stores that are literally
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  Speaker 1: like a moving.
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  Speaker 2: Cart, Like I like the belts that you can program
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  Speaker 2: to say whatever you.
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  Speaker 1: Want big in the nineties. Yes, you get that. You
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  Speaker 1: wear it to the Bezu cake, give it up number
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  Speaker 1: one fan scam God. All right, well we're gonna move
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  Speaker 1: into our biggest segment here and my favorite. This is
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  Speaker 1: actually really dope because Jamie sent me this story and
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  Speaker 1: then I went on a super deep dive about it.
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  Speaker 1: But this is a story about Mark Luke, Mark Luke,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Mark or Luke Olmsted. That's the question. That's the question,
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  Speaker 1: Mark or Luke or both. So this is a story
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  Speaker 1: that happens during the AIDS epidemic in the eighties, before
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  Speaker 1: we had like good medication and you could actually live
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: for a very long time, you know, and have a
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: full life with HIV. And this is about a man
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  Speaker 1: who says he says that because he was diagnosed with
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: HIV that he started doing scams because he didn't think
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  Speaker 1: he was going to live very long. However, when I
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  Speaker 1: took a deep dive into these scams, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: oh no, honey, you was a scammer. He was set
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  Speaker 1: for the long career scamm Yeah. Yes, So Luke and
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  Speaker 1: Mark are two brothers. So Luke was two years older
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  Speaker 1: than Mark, and he was like industrial and athletic. He
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  Speaker 1: was an eagle scout and like a good person. And
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  Speaker 1: Mark was you know, rumoredly very funny and quick witted
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  Speaker 1: and charming, but like kind of a fuck up, which
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  Speaker 1: is the real makers of a scammer, Like a scammer,
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  Speaker 1: a charismatic fuck up, charismatic as shit Like scammers, you
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  Speaker 1: love them, they embolden you, you feel special around them.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: They're fucking insane and I love it so Luke, like,
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: just to get really into it. They were both actually
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: gay and Luke ended up being diagnosed with HIV at
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: the same time as Mark, because it was an epidemic
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: in the eighties. It was insane. I actually had one
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: of my uncles passed away from HIV and got it
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: in the eighties and like, thank god now for modern medicine,
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: and this is not as big of an issue, like
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: you know what I.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: Mean, Like it's not like a death sentence.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: It's not a death sentence anymore. Yeah, it's still a
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: big issue, but it's not a death sentence. And so
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: but at the time it was and Mark capitalized on this.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: Mark was like scamming as if he was going to
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: die young.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: Literally, Yeah, is that a song is That's like I
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: think I just referenced a Kesha song.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: That's like ten years old.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: Brush your cheese with a bottle of Jack Mark Mark
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Luke so to just cut to the chase Luke passes away,
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: and you know it's always the good ones, like he
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: was sweet and lovely and everyone seemed like a really
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: good guy at least how they tell these stories. And
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Mark was a shady fuck up and of course he
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: lives forever. That's how it goes. I have one aunt
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: alive from being a child, one great aunt, and she
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: was the most fucking evil person and she has outlived
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: everyone lives forever.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Evil really just I don't know what it does too,
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: it really does.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: It keeps you alit.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: We were I had an evil grandma and we were
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: just like, it's never gonna happen. She's never gonna die.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: She'll bury us.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: She's gonna bury you all. It's like John McCain's mom.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: John's mom must have done some real fucked.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Up shit in her life, because that bit it reminds
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: me of like Resputing from Anastasia. Make a deal with
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: the devil and then all of a sudden you can
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: like be dead.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: But also alive. Right, Yeah, she's literally Melissandra from Game
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: of He's just so fucking old and petty and not
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: going anywhere. And I stand at some point, I'm gonna
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: have to start being evil because I would like to
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: live that long as well. I think around fifty, I'm
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: gonna have to just start being a real fucked up.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, we're gonna have to like renegotiate our morals entirely.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, so that we can live longer. So
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Mark continues living. But Luke and Mark had been living
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: together since they've been diagnosed in San Diego. So when
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Luke passes away, you know, Mark's like devastated. But then
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Luke's disability checks start coming in the mail, and Mark
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: was responsible for filing his death certificate, which when the
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: checks started coming, Mark was like, maybe I wait on
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: his certificate. Maybe I wait on that, you know, and
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: it's like, okay, he's grieving movies just And Luke was
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: a physician, so his his like disability checks were.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Checks, and his I mean his because wasn't he like
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: researching HIV A. It's like he was looking for cures.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Mark is fucked up, man. His brother was literally an
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: angel trying to trying to save everyone, and Mark was like,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: well let's see disability check.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Yes, Mark was no scruples, so uh he continues to
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: cash these checks for forever and then Marks like, hmmm,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: well the.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: Fucking cash these checks? Then what about a dry license?
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: Which I don't think is the next natural step here?
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: No, he takes so many like huge risks like early into.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: This, so Luke, And this is also the eighties, so
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: the technology is not that great. Isn't this like when
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Ghosts came out and everybody who's had computers with green
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: letters on them.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, then they need like twenty minutes to
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: turn on. Right, you could like not communicate something to
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: someone and get it away and they wouldn't find out
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: for a year. Yeah kind of thing.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Literally, So this is like the era of like ghost
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: era computers and like nobody's checking that green fought that hard.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: We don't got tired. It hurts your eyes, it truly does.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: I want to check up for scams on that green font.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: So a envelope arrived, so it seems like everything kind
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: of started as opportunistic. It was like, oh, these checks
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: are still arriving. I'm gonna cash these checks. Oh, this
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: envelope says that you have to renew your driver's license,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: so I'm all renew as you. So what I didn't
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: understand was is that Mark showed up to the DMB
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: and took Luke's driver's license photo. Yep, And then now
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Mark's face is on Luke's driver's license.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: It's so hard for me to like put myself in
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: a headspace where this works.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: I guess it's because it's the eighties, because I'm like,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: I guess they didn't have photos on the computer. So
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: if you were just like, I need to renew my
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: driver's license, they were like, great, I have like the certificate,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: like the birth certificate or yeah, or security card which
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: don't have photos on them, which is also weird.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess your birth certificate it'd just be
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: you as a baby, so that doesn't count.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Right, holding it up like is this youth could be
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: it's just like me coming out with the photo black baby.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: It's me, Yes, So I guess you could just go
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: take other people's driver's license photos. In the eighties, What
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: a time for scam?
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Why are more people doing that?
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: God, that's amazing.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: They didn't know that this is a limited time scam.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: They didn't know technology was gonna improve and you weren't
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: gonna be able to do it. The Gateway computer comes out,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: this is over wrap, yo, Bill Gate's probably brewing made
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: scams as much as we're like, oh, we love the computer,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: and shit, I bet there's a lot of people out
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: there who were like, bitch.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: I bet. It's almost like when a job becomes defunct,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: because it's like been replaced by something automated. You have
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: to retrain. So scammers like couldn't do the DMV scams anymore,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: but they could start Internet scams. They just had to
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: recalibrate their breath.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah they did. And good scammers they rise to the occasion.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Oh good scammers never die, No, and not at all.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: You got to keep evolving, you know. It's a great
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: every great business place. Really inspiring when you think about it.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Truly as I love scammers, I love them so much.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: So at this point, he now has his brother's driver's
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: license with his face on it, and he's cashing these
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: disability checks. Now Mark is a creative so weird turn
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: he actually gets a screenwriting gig.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: This is crazy, which is like, okay, it doesn't it
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: involve like Whoopie Goal.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Yes. So Woopie went on record and said that she
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: did not endorse this movie, but I think she had
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: known about the screenplay because she was asked about it
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: a few times. I was like, yeah, I did hear
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: about it, but I wasn't involved in the project. But
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: the way that Mark was selling it was that he
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: had a screenwriting gig and he was working with two colleagues,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: and this was all abroad too, and that Whoopy Goldberg
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: claimed that she wanted to be a part of it. Okay,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: but then his two colleagues die of eights. Yes, oh
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: I forgot that. So like this is still true. It is,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: but not for Mark.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Not for Mark.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: No. Mark. Honestly, I was like, is this scam too
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: sad for the show? But Mark is so shady that
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: I was like, no, it's a fascinating scam. Yeah.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: I mean he takes full advantage.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: He's seeking full advantage of an epidem Yeah, it's the worst.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Everyone else is like having concerts and selling T shirts.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: His brother really trying to cure HIV AIDS, and he.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Was like, I see an opportunity.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Mark's all right, let's see if I can read a
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Whoopie Goldberg vehicle. That'll there, and it seems like too
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: he's like a failed writer.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah that yeah, absolutely yikes. So he has the ID, right,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: he's got the disability checks. What comes next credit cards.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: So he starts getting credit cards in Luke's name and
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: he's running up these bills. And he had over forty
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars in credit card debt on just one card alone.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: So now these credit card companies are calling like, hey, Luke, Lukemark,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: we need our coins. So when one rep from a
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: credit card company phoned and asked for Luke, his mind
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: raced and then Mark was like, oh fuck, I am Luke.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: I just gotta say I'm Luke.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, Greig great.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: So he does it and he says, mister Ohms said,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: we've heard of your brother's death. So what he did
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: was is Mark had a bunch of credit card debt
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: and he decided instead of killing Luke, to kill himself, right,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: So he sit in a death certificate for himself.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: And he's like exact a knife, like forging the kim.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: He also went to Office Max, which Office.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Max eighties probabler of chaos.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Enabler of scamps and got a stamp that said CEE
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: c on it okay, And he was using that on
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: his fake death certificates to say certified copy because that's
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: basically the exact same stamp that they would use. Now
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: if anybody had cared to zoom in a way, would
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: have saw that. It also said Corona Krueger's, which was
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: a childhood little league baseball team. Oh my god. So
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: he was using this Corona Krueger stamp to like certified
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: documents and death certificates, which I thought was lit because stamps,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: like in the late eighties early nineties, like people had
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: stamps of their signatures. My mom had a stamp of
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: her signature that I I would use to sign off
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: on detention documents that I got because I know I
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: went to detention all the time for just being late.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: I would have like I had I think I had
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: when I was twelve, my sixth grade year, I had
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: thirty six detentions, and every time you got five detentions,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: you got a Friday night, which was like a Friday
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: night was a three What a punishment to teacher, Yeah,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: just for being late, a three hour detention on Friday
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: nights and so then I would have to do those
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: because my detentions had added up too much.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: That's like one thing where anytime I've been punished for
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: being late, like as a kid, it's like it has
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: never made me more on time.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: At no adults, I continued to be late. I'm late for.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Almost everything still, like it's it doesn't help no.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Why you know, being late is a big scam because
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: people who are late or tardy end up paying more
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: over their lifetime than people who are prompt. So things
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: like late fees, things like express Like I went to
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: the airport and had to buy a fast pass through
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: the airport because a fifteen dollars Jet Blue fast pass. Well,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: they do it like Disneyland. They do it like Disneyland.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just had to expedite a passport because I
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: forgot ye and they pay.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: They charge you for that so much. Anytime you don't plan,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: anytime you're late, that's a big scam that people are
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: profiting off. And I want to stop, but also I can't.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: I kind of refuse.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you know what, I'll get another job so
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: I can continue to be late right to everything.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: This is just my I drive for Lyft, so I
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: can be late. I just drive for lift on the
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: weekends just to be late to think oh yeah. Oh.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: And also, I'll never buy another fast pass in the
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: airport because now I just know I can say I
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: have it because no one checks. Oh wow? Is that
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: just for Jet Blue? Is that for it? So for
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: everyone else it could be like priority membership. So if
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: you're first flying first class, or you have priority boarding,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: or if you're like one of those sparkled Diamond, silver,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Sapphire blue jet guess you know what I mean.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: It's just like you just need the confidence to enter.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: I want to go into one of those lounges someday,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: you know, those like they have like the United Lounge.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Now they check that ship, they checked that shit. Damn.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: I know because I've tried to just like breathe just
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: to get in.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah damn, I won't try some day.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: I try to breeze in when I actually have the past, too,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: because I want to see how easy it is, exactly
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: because I'm like, now I have insurance, but I also
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: want to see if I can just do this whenever.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: So yeah, now I'll always say that I have priority boarding.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: No one checks. Okay, no one checks also tip for
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: people going to LAX if it's ever crowded and there's
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: like really big lines. I've learned as a scammer to
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: always look for like what eighty A compliant or like
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: handicap accessible things exist, not to get in the way
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: of someone who actually needs them. But if they're empty,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: I've found that you can get everywhere much faster.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Oh that makes a lot of sense.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: So everyone was waiting in the line for an escalator,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I just took the elevator and skipped everybody. It's such
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: a simple scam, so good, but yeah, completely sidetracked. But yes.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: So Mark killed himself and then used the stamp to
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: certify his own death certificate because he had too much
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: credit card debt. So they called Luke, who is actually Mark,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: and we're like, hey, we heard about your brother's death.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: And the thing is is it needs a raised and
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: colored seal on this death certificate and it doesn't have that.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: So then Mark literally starts bannicking because he's like, I
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: made this shit up, Like the jig is up, They're
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: gonna catch me. All Mark did was tell the guy
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: tell the woman on the phone that he was really
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: sad about his brother's.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Death, and he did the empathy and she just stopped
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: asking questions. Wow, that would.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Have been me.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: I would have fallen for that, so I would have Yeah.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Shit right, it works right. So under Luke's name his death,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: his debt has now reached like fifty thousand dollars.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Because he's like doing and he's like partying and like
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: doing drugs and all this exactly.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: So he started working at a magazine and then decided
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: to quit and collect unemployment. Okay, so he is now.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: He's working at the magazine under his own name, yes,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: as if he's not dead.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, yes, no, he's working at the magazine under Luke's name.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Oh yes, he's full on how it started a career
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: as Luke. No, and he gets confused, Like as much
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: as we're confused as I'm telling this story, and I'm
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: sure our listeners are confused, Mark Luke is gonna get
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: very confused. Well, this is why I started with like
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Mark Luke, Luke Mark. So he kills Luke right next,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: So first he kills himself, then he kills Luke because
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: now he has too much debt under Luke's name. So
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: now they're both days, yes, okay, So then he goes
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: to the DMV and says he loves the DMV. Everyone
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: hates the DMV, but he loves the He goes there, No,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: actually no, not the DMV. He goes to the Social
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Security Office as Luke after he's killed Mark and Luke okay,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: and he goes there and he says, hey, I need
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: to apply for benefits because the difference. Don remember, like
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: he quit his magazine job and was gaining disability, but
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: his disability is not as much as his brother's because
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: his brother was a doctor, right, and a hero right
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: and a good person, a good person. So he goes
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: to Social Security office and he says, hey, I'm sick again.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: I really need to get social security again. And the
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: guy the Social Security office says, Luke almos said died,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: and he goes but I'm right here though it gives
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: him a huge smile, and he was ready with this
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: story that he had been working for doctors beyond borders
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: in Africa and lost his passport, like he had a
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: whole story ready. But what actually happened was the guy
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: at the Social Security office goes, these things happen and
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: then puts him on disability. These things happened I just
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: the eighties is such a good time for scams. It's
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: so weird.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Like I think now, like thirty years from now, what
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: are people gonna say, we should have been scamming and
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: we're not capitalizing on the opportunity.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, there's definitely got to be some stuff.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: There's got to be stuff that we should be that
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: just future people will know better than us.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Right. Also, some of this, I'm like, no one is
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: most people aren't working at government jobs because it's their passion.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: So I'm sure if you catch somebody who's like not petty,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: that's the only thing that the government jobs have going
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: for them, is like they hire petty people. I feel
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: like they must be in the interview, like, Hey, so, Brenda,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: I see that you've worked in a few other administration
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: positions and like, uh, how likely are you to keep
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: someone's car there from a scale of one to day
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: there have you ever worked at government? No, it is such.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: I worked in the Comptroller's office for a couple of
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: summers in college, and it is it is full of
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: either very petty people who will like beat a non
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: issue into the ground, or people like Mark Luke encounters
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: that are just like if you say, so.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck. Yeah, So those are the
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: two types of people work there. So he got lucky.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: He didn't get the petty person. He got the person
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: who's like, ah, yeah, people be dying, but they don't
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: be dead anyway. Where do I need to stance? Here?
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: You go? Wow?
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: So he gets away with it again.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, he gets away again, probably cause he's also so charming.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: So now Luke is alive, but Mark is still dead.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, got it? Yes, Luke is back alive. He's back,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: but Mark is still dead. Okay, but actually Mark is alive.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Marc is the one doing this just to keep everybody
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: on the same canonically he's dead rat run.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: So Mark also, throughout this time period has been making
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: pretty good money off these scams, and he's living it up.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: You know, he's buying drugs, he's bartying, he's having a
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: good ass time. He also has pretty good health, considering
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: he's not really on any like drugs right now for
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: his actual condition, but he's in really good health. And
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: then he realizes like a fuck amount of money again,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Lucas back in debt, right, so he decided to take
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: out a life insurance bid I guess against his policy,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: which basically means like you can say that you're gonna
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: die soon and someone will buy your life insurance policy
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: from you at a discounted rate. So he had one
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars life insurance policy and he basically was
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: trying to sell it to another acquisition company that would
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: give him fifty eight thousand dollars for his one hundred
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars life insurance. So basically, they turn a profit
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: on you wanting to use your money while your life life.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Oh it's so dark, but I mean it's a whole business. Yeah.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: And so he tries to do this and the company's like,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: you're too healthy. Ooh right, and he tells them, oh,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: I have HIV. Like you know, this is a death
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: sentence in the eighties. Like he's using the death sentence
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: to get money, and they're like, you're too healthy. So
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: he stops taking So now at this point he is
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: on antibarral medication. Yeah, he stops taking it and drives
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: his T cell countdown so that he can get this money.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: The mental gymnastics of this is like so alarming, insane.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So he does this and then he gets fifty
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: eight thousand dollars. Then guess what, Mark Luke's back in
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: good health baby, all of a sudden.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, forgot, here's my medication.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: I'm living forever. So I'm sure whoever bought that policy
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: from him like lost their job because he just did
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: not die. They're not getting any money from him. He
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: just got fifty eight thousand dollars for nothing.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Nothing. Wow.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: So in August in two thousand and three, the FBI
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: rushed into Mark's apartment and found narcotics. So this is like, Mark,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: whilst doing scams, also decided to part time be a
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: meth dealer.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Right, I forgot the whole meth dealer product.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: I can't even bring it in like like, I can't
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: even explain it. I just have to be like. He
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: also was.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Good time to bring it up.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: And he had a methaden. He was making a lot
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: of good money. He lead you around here right like yeah,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: West Hollywood. Yeah, so he was making in West Hollywood.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Great place to be selling meth. He sells itself. You
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: don't have to try at all. So he has a methdin.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: He has like lots of people hanging out there and
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: people are in and out. He's just you know, carefree
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: meth dealer scammer. One of his meth dealer regulars snitches
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: on him to the FBI. Right, so, in August two
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: thousand and three, the FBI rushes into Mark's apartment and
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: found narcotics. Five weeks later, in court, Mark's public defender
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: made HIV the center of his case, basically saying like,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: he has this horrible disease. It is a death sentence.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: That's why he started selling meth, because he just, you know,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: what else was he supposed to do? And obviously there's
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: an outpour of sympathy for this. Right, so he ends
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: up getting a two thousand dollars restitution fine, twenty two
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: hundred dollars restitution fine, and three hundred hours of community service.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: And the article calls it a white boy special. Yes, yes,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: you gotta hear you, a little scamp. He was dealing
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: meth for years. He was sad, Jamie, he was sad.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: And then they're they're like, he got a death sentence
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: twenty years ago.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Never mind that he's still laughed, never mind that it's
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: two thousand and three and he had it. He got
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: in ivy in the nineteen eighty.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: This is it is so hard to like contextualize this
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: person in my head. You're like, yeah, I mean he
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: is he is grieving. Like the first couple of years,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: you're like, he's maybe grieving. It's maybe there's some dissociation
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: going on, but we're like twenty years deep at this point, you're.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Like, no, you shouldn't, sir.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: You've re killed your own brother like three or four times.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: It's sir, are you are not sad? You aren't a scammer.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: You are king a red.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Style at this point, So wheespecial.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when he got out immediately he so before he
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: went to jail, I can't even like tell this story
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: in an accurate way. Before he went to jail and
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: he was selling all this math. He was on Craigslist
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: and he was like, I should get a real job.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Oh I forgot why this heart?
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, So he was gonna get a real job,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: but he got arrested. Like so he had an interview
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: set up to go to this Craigslist job and then
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: he got arrested by the FBI. So he was in
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: jail for a little bit before they released him with
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: restitution and three hundred hours of community service. Yeah. So
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: when he gets out of jail. He finds the same
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: job on Craigslist and he goes in to apply for
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: the job. So like, hey, hey guys, yeah, sorry, I
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: didn't show up for the first interview. I was in jail,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: a little meth thing, nowhere about it.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: I was sad.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Community service gonna be fine. So he goes back and
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: he gets this job. Yeah, so he ends up starting
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: to sell meth agains. I wish I could like tell
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: this in a way that like builds up to him,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: but no, he just starts selling meth agus.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: It's like, well, he's really not gonna learn this lesson.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: So I guess he tried to, you know, do a
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: legitimate job when he got out of the little job.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: So it was like a print, like a like a
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: marketing job for a magazine. Oh okay, yeah, which apparently
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: he was good at. Yeah, scams are great at marketing. Yeah,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: we're gonna brands, we're gonna hooking people, like, we're real
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: good at it. So he's doing that for a little bit.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: It's not given him enough money. He goes back to
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: selling meth this time. The FBI raids again, yes, and
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: they find his passport, his six passports, and they go
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: in his wallet because they open the door and they're like,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Mark Olmstead, you're under arrest. And he's like, I'm not Mark,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: I'm Luke. I'm not Mark, I'm Luke. I'm Luke. I'm Mark,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I'm Luke.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: I'm Mark.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: I'm making hello. The FBI goes into his wallet and
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: finds several IDs for Mark and for Luke. No, all
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: the DMV scams catch up. Why you got him in
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: the same wallet. You need a mock wallet. He literally
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: had his like basically a box and just said crime
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: on it. And they're like, I guess we should open
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: this one. And they find, you know method he's selling ye,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: And they find six passports, damn certificates, and Mark and
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Luke's d m V identifications. Okay, sorry, why were you
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: keeping them together?
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: All? Yeah, you get various pla answerughout your house, so
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: he know's where you hid things?
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: What are you doing?
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Speaking from experience.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: So he goes to jail, but really for only like
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: a short amount of time again a few years.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: He can't get caught.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: No, this time the judge was like, okay, we do
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: have to send you to jail. Mark. I know you're sad,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: but like you gotta go to jail a little bit.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: He's like, okay, tarn it. So he goes to jail.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: He gets out of prison. He only really served less
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: than a year.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: He's just like there for a semester.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Honestly, he's harmless, you know what I mean. He's so
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: a little mad. He does some fake identities.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: He's probably gonna kill his brother and sell nothing again.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: But what are we gonna do? He's so nice? You
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: know he did you hear?
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Whi pee? Goldberg was almost in one of those.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: So he gets out of jail and he says that
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: he had survivor's guilt and that he thanks God for
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: being in prison because he needed to feel a little pemished,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: just a little, just a little now a little. So
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: he gets out and now his latest business opportunity has
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: been screenwriting for oligarchs. He goes back into the screenwriting stuff. Wait,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: what is screenwriting for ola Garks? That sounds so dark.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: So he has a bunch of Russian film investors and
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: that want to produce American films, so he's helping them
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: do so with all of his experience that he has
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: from not producing anything ever.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, mediocrity rains cool.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: And he's also working on a prison memoir called Ink
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: from the Pin from.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Less than a Year in Prison That is a scammon itself.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: He went to prison for less than a year and
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: now he's writing oz I. Oh no, I love the
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: title Ink from the Pin because like the pen, the penitentiary.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Oh WOWK, but this is writing from the likes. That's sexy.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: I want to read Ink from the Pen. Uh oprah,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: please put it on your.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Has fallen for scammer?
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah a billion little Yeah.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: James Fry is thriving out here.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: He wrote four books.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he continued, and then he's like, all right, these
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: ones are fiction, but they're sorry.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Guys, you got me.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: I won't say I live this one, but still really
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: compelling narratives. Damn wow. I honestly would read Ink from
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: the Pen the same way I would read like that
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Mary and Williamson book. Yeah.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: I want to know.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I am curious what you thought you went through.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Curious what you're making up that you thought you went
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: through for true and for fake.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: You're insulting people who are actually surfing time for far
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: lesser crimes. But yeah, sure, Mark, tell us you only
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: did a million billion crimes.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: You're the worst. Your only redeemable quality, I guess is
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: that you were ill faded in a time where you know,
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: horrible does he was wreaking havoc on our community and
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: our world. So but that's not even redeeming.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: It's so it's like such a like I don't want
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: to like discount like I'm sure he was in deep grief.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine like everyone around you dying from the
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: same disease and feeling like your death is inevitable. But
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: then it's also like what kind of person then capitalizes
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: on that, like and and takes advantage of.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: This hor thing full advantage, like not just by like
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: doing you know, the social security fraud and the disability fraud,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: but also by being in court and being like, hey,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna die, so I made a.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Meth din yeah, like and just like taking advantage of
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: like everyone's like sympathy, yeah, empathy, and just just being like, yeah,
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: I'm dealing myths because aids And then everyone's like, oh,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: like no one wants to be the person to be like.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: What does that mean? But also I'm glad that something
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: positive came out of such a horrible time. I I
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: he did get to.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure that his brother is somewhere being
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: very disappointed.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: In him, and he is.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: He's like, he's like sober now and writing these sit
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: So that's good.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: It's a good store.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: I don't even know. It's like, this is the kind
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: of scam where it's like, who is Besides like the
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: emotional drama to his family and the.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Meth he was dealing the people and the meth he
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: was dealing is then as a bad myth, is a
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: bad drug.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: And the insult to everyone who was was alive during
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: the AIDS epidemic.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Besides that, who did he really hurt?
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: He took money from the government and from insurance companies,
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: And I like that part of the game.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Fuck the government and fuck insurance company exactly, Like that's fun.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: But then it's like, but he also hurt a lot
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: of people. Damn.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: That's a complicated one. It is as emotionally fraut Mark Luke,
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: Mark Luke, which whichever you're identifying by these days, Poor
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: Luke Luke literally only tried to do good and like
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: loved his brother and brother who.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: We got the short end of the stick Yikes.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, man, I'm gonna give my brother permission to do
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: that to me.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. If yeah, when I die, like, please bring me
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: back to life again and again, then just keep killing
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: me over and over.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Don't worry. I think it's funny.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Make I think it's so funny wherever I am.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: But only take money from the government and insurance agencies.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Don't hurt, don't hurt regular people.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all we want. Yeah, and scammer of the week.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: I actually want to highlight a business oh that I
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: really love. After the Rapture PetCare dot com. That's the
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: longest website title in history.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: What is it?
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Http ww dot After the Rapture PetCare dot com. Okay,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: I'm ready slash backslash. So listen, dear fellow Christians. As
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: the Apostle Paul described in Thessalonians that's quoted above, at
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: some point in future, Jesus will come in the air
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: and catch up the church from the earth and then
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: return to Heaven with said church. This is known as
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: the rapture, and it will be glorious. But what if
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: our pets, who will take care of our pets when
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: we are gone? That ain't going to have a dog's apparently. No,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: this is on the assumption that pets aren't included in
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: the rapture. Yes, okay, which I don't know if there's
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: any evidence to this conclusion. Every I've ever had is
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: more worthy of being a part of the rapture than
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: me the most human beings. Absolutely.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Well, the after the Rapture pet care story starts because
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: the idea came from seeing someone else as a joke.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: An atheist created a site in England that said that
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: she would take care of Christian owned pets after the
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Rapture and ask for seven pounds as a donation. She
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: promoted it as a joke and as it virally made
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: the rounds amongst non believers who enjoy making fun of
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: us Christians. My husband saw it. He's an internet geek,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: and he told me about it. Admittedly it did seem funny.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: A couple of weeks later, Carol came back and suggested
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: that we start the Rapture pet care store together. Carol
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: a real Christian name. Yeah, she said that she had
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: asked several so it goes from first person to then
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: like second person, like, wasn't this I story? I'm just
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: gonna make all these She's eyes because I was very confused,
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: and then it goes back to okay, oh my god.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: So she tells like a bunch of Christian friends about
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: this service, saying that if you pay, I will ensure
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: at the time of the rapture your pets get taken
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: care of. Now here's where I'm confused. So did she
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: not include her? Is she not gonna have it? It?
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: She just admitted she was a scammer. She was just like, listen,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: there's no way I'm going to Hell, and Gasoline draws. Okay,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: I've been sending it since the beginning.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: It's like I'm going to Hell and I'm taking your
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: pets with.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Like, where are you gonna be at? Is she not
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: say she doesn't? Oh my god. That's really what's confusing
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: about it. Okay, so, oh god. So while they're planning
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: the system, they thought about stories of pet rescues in
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. Imagine how many more pets
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: would have been saved if there have been a database
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: of pets and volunteers activated immediately. This is something we
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: could do for Christian on pets, but only Christians.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, not Heathen pets.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: No, Okay. I also imagine like your owner a heathen.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: So now you gotta be a heathen by proxy.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: I gotta like get my dog baptized or something.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good to go, right, So they created a
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: database that is stored on multiple secure servers with multilocation
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: online and offline password protected backups. While I don't intend
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: to be here when the rapture comes, we are building
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: a network of non Christians whoever agreed to rescue and
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: care for our members' bets if we all disappear. So, oh,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: she isn't planning to be here when the rapture comes, but.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: She's she's just setting up a Google doc of people
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: who could maybe take care of these dogs if they
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: weren't Christians.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Mark Luke is definitely gonna be taking care of some
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: of these songs. Mark Luke, Mark looking in on this. Yeah,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: this is a good way.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: You don't got to sell meth. There's a better way.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: It's participating in this scam.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. So they have a monthly fee to
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: upkeep how much? Oh my god, It does not say
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: I want to know how much the.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: So wait, so she's just saying, like, we're gonna put
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: your pets named down so that a non Christian person
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: will later show up after all, after we're all in heaven.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, okay, And to watch your dog, to watch your
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: dog for you.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: That is a very generous hurt. I wonder is there
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: any way of telling how popular this service is or
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: it's like over I think.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: People are using it. I'm trying to get on the
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: site right now. Wow, this is really this is a
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: very creative. This is like a sub sub sub scam.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: I like a niche scam. I do too, Like we're
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: really taking care of like religion, register your pets, Christian
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: pet owners who believe that the rapture is coming soon?
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Also how soon? What if your pet dies and you've
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: been paying this rapture?
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: Is sure? Why any refund?
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there's not. So that's so payment. We have
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: never taken payments for our service, is what they say.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: We state that it is a ten dollars fee to
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: weed out jokers who would submit fake pets thinking they
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: are funny. That is, I mean, this is a free service,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: but it costs ten dollars. There's it's free, but also
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: put your credit card information in merch shop. You got
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: merdo merge. Oh my god. After the Rapture pet Care
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: has you can get photos of your dog. What's okay?
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: When you get raption, you ain't taking the shirt witches.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is so oh oh no, it's for the
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: volunteers after the Rapture pet Care volunteer pet So that's for.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: For the sinners.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: Wow, there's even merch for the sinners.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: That's more inclusive than I said. If you're going to hell,
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: you might as well go impeggably dressed, get you. I
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: don't like that. There's pictures of souls.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Being sucked up into heaven.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: That is disturbing. Okay, so guys, it's pictures of souls
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: being sucked up into heaven. And then it's like cats
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: and dogs watching from the window married passively. By the way,
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: I look like that dog look bad like for real. No, so,
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: y'all just go go to heaven out, y'all gonna leave
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: me down here and with no kibbles noo bits.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: He's living with a family of atheists. They got fucking
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: Bill maher on in the background.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Now he's gotta live with Bill maher watchers. Oh God,
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: not fair. That's hell on Earth. That's not fair. Oh,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: after the Rapture pekir. I come with a ten dollar free,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: free donation.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: That's mandatory, and then you'll live in there, Google doc forever,
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: whatever that's password protected on and offline.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: I mean literally anything there's like, oh oh my god,
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: it's fine, amazing having you, Jamie, keep for having us.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Where can people find you?
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: You can find my podcast is the Bechdel Cast. Host
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: it with Caitlin Durante. Uh and we bring a guest on.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Lacey's been on twice and we love review movies from
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: a feminist perspective. And you can find me on Twitter
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: at Jamie loftus help and Instagram at Jamie christ Ruperstar.
• 53:25
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• 53:28
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• 53:40
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