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Clancy Cult · David Pollack Primetime

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Speaker 1: TONIGHT, THE WAR WITH IRAN TONIGHT, THE WAR WITH IRAN
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Speaker 1: JUST EXPLODED. IRAN ATTACKED SHIPS IN THE STRAIT OF HORMOOSE
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Speaker 1: AND THE PRESIDENT ANSWERED WITH A BRAND-NEW POLICY. HE'S CALLING
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Speaker 1: TANKER FOR TANKER. WE'LL TAKE YOU INSIDE THE STRIKES AND
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Speaker 1: WE LAUNCH WEAPONIZATION WEDNESDAY TONIGHT WITH THE STORY OF A
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Speaker 1: DECORATED COMBAT VETERAN THE GOVERNMENT SENT TO FEDERAL PRISON FOR
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Speaker 1: HELPING OTHER VETERANS. JEREMY HAROLD IN HIS OWN WORDS TONIGHT.
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Speaker 1: BUT FIRST, THE JURY IN THE For the fifth day,
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Speaker 1: 12 people in Plymouth, Massachusetts, have been unable to agree
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Speaker 1: on whether the mother who strangled her three children is
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Speaker 1: criminally responsible for it. And twice now, they've told the
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Speaker 1: judge flatly that they're deadlocked, can't reach a unanimous decision.
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Speaker 1: But tonight, I don't want to talk about the trial itself.
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about what has grown outside of
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Speaker 1: the trial. and the far more dangerous question sitting underneath
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Speaker 1: this entire case. Because something disturbing has taken root around
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Speaker 1: Lindsay Clancy. We've been talking about it. For weeks, crowds
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Speaker 1: of women dressed head to toe in pink have rallied
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Speaker 1: outside that courthouse not to mourn Cora and Dawson and
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Speaker 1: baby Callan, the three children who are dead, thanks to
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Speaker 1: Lindsay Clancy, by the way, but to celebrate and support
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Speaker 1: THE WOMAN WHO KILLED THEM. YESTERDAY, IT WENT FURTHER ON TUESDAY,
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Speaker 1: A 56-YEAR-OLD WOMAN NAMED DAWN LIGHT, A CLANCY SUPPORTER, SHE
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Speaker 1: WAS ARRESTED OUTSIDE THAT COURTHOUSE AND CHARGED WITH A FELONY
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Speaker 1: AFTER POLICE CONFIRMED SHE WAS CAUGHT ON HER OWN PHONE
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Speaker 1: FILMING THE JURORS AS THEY LEFT. SHE TOLD THE OFFICERS
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Speaker 1: SHE WAS JUST THERE TO SEE CLANCY. THAT IS WHERE
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Speaker 1: THE DEVOTION TO THIS WOMAN HAS GONE. Now, my guest tonight,
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Speaker 1: Kayla Bennett, she went out and spoke to some of
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Speaker 1: these people directly in St. Petersburg, Florida. You know, the
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Speaker 1: ones rallying for Lindsey Clancy. And she asked them what
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Speaker 1: they actually believe about this case and what they told her. Well,
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Speaker 1: it's hard to hear.
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Speaker 2: Look.
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Speaker 3: Do you stand with her, yes or no?
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Speaker 1: I don't think she did it.
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Speaker 4: Yes.
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Speaker 1: We feel she's very sleep deprived. Her job as a
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Speaker 1: labor and delivery nurse working night shifts and three children
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Speaker 1: is a lot. Do you have children?
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Speaker 5: Yes.
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Speaker 1: Would you ever hurt them? Yes and no.
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Speaker 6: As a mom or as a dad, I think that.
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Speaker 1: You are not perfect.
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Speaker 3: So what are the consequences she should face for this?
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Speaker 1: Obviously, she's already in a wheelchair.
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Speaker 2: He should go to jail for negligence.
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Speaker 3: He needs to take care of his kids, and that
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Speaker 3: was his responsibility.
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Speaker 1: It would be funny if it wasn't so terrifying. They
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Speaker 1: don't want her to be accountable, essentially. It wasn't her fault.
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Speaker 1: Her punishment, she's in a wheelchair. Some woman said she
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Speaker 1: didn't even do it. How society chooses... AND I THINK
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Speaker 1: IT'S A GREAT QUESTION TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT
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Speaker 1: SHOULD HAPPEN TO LINDSEY CLANCY. IT HAS WAY MORE TO
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Speaker 1: DO THAN WITH A PARENT WHO KILLS HER CHILD. IT
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Speaker 1: TELLS YOU EVERYTHING ABOUT WHAT SOCIETY BELIEVES A CHILD'S LIFE
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Speaker 1: IS WORTH. THAT IS THE QUESTION THIS CASE IS REALLY ABOUT.
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Speaker 1: NOT WHETHER LINDSEY CLANCY KILLED HER CHILDREN. SHE DID. NO
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Speaker 1: ONE DISPUTES IT. NOT EVEN HER. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER
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Speaker 1: A MOTHER CAN END THREE SMALL LIVES AND Walk out
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Speaker 1: of that courtroom with no consequences at all. The moment
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Speaker 1: we allow a diagnosis to become some sort of a
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Speaker 1: get-out-of-jail-free card, the moment sick becomes a complete and total
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Speaker 1: defense to strangling your children, we've lost something. And I
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Speaker 1: can't even imagine where this would go next. A child's
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Speaker 1: life isn't negotiable. There's no asterisk on murder if the
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Speaker 1: victim is small enough and the community is sympathetic enough.
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Speaker 1: That's a precedent no decent society can afford to set.
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Speaker 1: The women in pink outside this courthouse are watching how
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Speaker 1: this ends. And so is every troubled mother in America
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Speaker 1: standing at that same very edge. Joining me now is
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Speaker 1: Caitlin Bennett, conservative YouTuber, co-founder of the Liberty Hangout. Thank
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Speaker 1: you so much for being here, Caitlin. I know we
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Speaker 1: make fun of those people out there saying ridiculous things,
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Speaker 1: but this is not funny at all. It's serious because,
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Speaker 1: you know, women are suffering all the time, and they
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Speaker 1: do have a really hard job. You as a mother
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Speaker 1: know it. But women don't kill their kids, not as
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Speaker 1: regularly as you would believe if you watched the TV lately.
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Speaker 1: Are we trying to normalize this? What is going on?
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I almost didn't talk about this topic
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Speaker 3: when I went out in St. Pete over the weekend
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Speaker 3: because I'm pregnant with my third. And it just feels
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Speaker 3: really close to home for me to be talking about
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Speaker 3: a mother killing her children and hearing people justify it
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Speaker 3: to my face. I almost was like, I can't talk
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Speaker 3: about this. But I decided that the first video back
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Speaker 3: since I've been pregnant and had a very rough first trimester,
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Speaker 3: I had to talk about it. I had to confront
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Speaker 3: these people and I had to say, you're insane, you're crazy,
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Speaker 3: and most of the people I talk to should be
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Speaker 3: on a watch list because they just think that it's
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Speaker 3: okay to murder children if your hormones are out of
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Speaker 3: whack or if you are experiencing a hard time postpartum.
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Speaker 3: All women do, it's not easy. but we don't kill
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Speaker 3: our kids. And I don't care if she was mentally ill,
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Speaker 3: she should be in a jail cell for the rest
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Speaker 3: of her life.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and that has to be the consequence.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you can have sympathy for her. AND SAY, OH,
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Speaker 1: THAT REALLY SUCKS. YOU KNOW, SHE ACTED UPON SOME REALLY
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Speaker 1: TERRIBLE FEELINGS. SHE KILLED HER KIDS. AND NOW SHE'S GOING
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Speaker 1: TO JAIL. AND THERE'S TWO VICTIMS HERE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE MOTHER,
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Speaker 1: IF SHE SOMEHOW IS LESS PSYCHO SOMEDAY, SHE'LL MOURN HER CHILDREN, HOPEFULLY.
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Speaker 1: BUT THE CHILDREN'S LIVES ARE OVER AS WELL. THERE IS
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Speaker 1: NO WINNERS HERE. ALL LOSERS. BUT THAT BEING SAID, THERE
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Speaker 1: NEEDS TO BE A CONSEQUENCE. BECAUSE WHAT'S STOPPING THE NEXT
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Speaker 1: I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW.
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Speaker 5: I DON'T KNOW.
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Speaker 1: I'M FEELING A LITTLE CRAZY. IT JUST CANNOT BE THE STANDARD.
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Speaker 1: WE CAN'T BE SYMPATHETIC FOR PEOPLE WHO KILL THEIR KIDS.
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Speaker 1: THIS CAN'T BE WHERE WE'RE GOING AS A NATION. IN
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Speaker 1: STATES LIKE MASSACHUSETTS WHO ALLOW ABORTION UP TO BIRTH, IF
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Speaker 1: THIS CASE GOES THE WAY IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING,
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Speaker 1: THEY'RE GOING TO ALLOW ABORTION UP UNTIL WHAT, 18?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I might be a little more aggressive in this.
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Speaker 3: It might be my pregnancy hormones, but I genuinely, I
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Speaker 3: don't have any sympathy for her. Whatever was going on
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Speaker 3: with her before this happened, my sympathy for her ended
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Speaker 3: when she took those bands and strangled the first child.
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Speaker 1: And so whatever she was going through before.
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Speaker 3: She did that, I genuinely do not care.
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Speaker 1: I don't care.
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Speaker 3: I can't even express how much I don't care because
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Speaker 3: the sympathy ends when she takes the life of her
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Speaker 3: own children.
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Speaker 5: And she.
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Speaker 3: reached out for help. She wouldn't stick on a plan
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Speaker 3: with her doctor. She jumped around from medicine to medicine.
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Speaker 3: It almost looks as if she was trying to keep
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Speaker 3: her paper trail of how saying these medicines weren't working
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Speaker 3: and she wanted a different medicine and she had to.
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Speaker 2: Go to all these doctors.
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Speaker 3: That's quite convenient. But the only time she heard a
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Speaker 3: voice telling her to kill her children was that 18
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Speaker 3: minute period and she.
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Speaker 1: Never heard it before.
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Speaker 3: She's never heard it after. Like how convenient is that?
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Speaker 3: And so I don't care. I think she should be
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Speaker 3: put into solitary confinement in her wheelchair and a diaper
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Speaker 3: and given like maybe a grilled cheese once a day.
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Speaker 3: That's what she deserves.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it is the most horrific story when
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Speaker 1: you start hearing the facts of the case and you
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Speaker 1: see the pictures of those babies and it's like, I'm
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Speaker 1: a dad. I could never in a million years imagine
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Speaker 1: harming one of my own children or even imagining for
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Speaker 1: a second my wife harming one of our own children.
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Speaker 1: This just doesn't happen. And it wouldn't even be it
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Speaker 1: wouldn't even be a discussion if we didn't live in
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Speaker 1: such a twisted time where the left. And I do
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Speaker 1: believe those women standing up there in pink. I have
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Speaker 1: to believe they're leftists because we live in this time
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Speaker 1: where it's almost like they want to celebrate women. the
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Speaker 1: death of children. Now, look, you walked around with those
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Speaker 1: ladies in St.
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Speaker 5: Pete.
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Speaker 1: You've talked to them before about all kinds of things.
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Speaker 1: But what do you think is going through their heads?
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Speaker 1: Are they crazy or are they just so indoctrinated by
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Speaker 1: evil leftist propaganda that they just don't think for themselves anymore?
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Speaker 3: Well, I think I have a different opinion, actually, when
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Speaker 3: it comes to the political atmosphere around this. I don't
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Speaker 3: genuinely think that it's a right versus left issue. I
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Speaker 3: think it's a woman issue because there are even women
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Speaker 3: on the conservative side in my comment section and my DMs.
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Speaker 3: I see them in my friends' comment section saying, like,
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Speaker 3: I'm going to unfollow you. I can't believe how many
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Speaker 3: conservatives are falling for this. I genuinely think this is
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Speaker 3: a woman problem. And I have always loosely supported repealing
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Speaker 3: the 19th Amendment. And that's not me trying to be
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Speaker 3: based or me being edgy. I've always loosely supported it
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Speaker 3: for election reasons and politics. just, you know, political advantages
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Speaker 3: for Republicans. This solidifies that I genuinely do not think
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Speaker 3: women in this country should bear the responsibility of choosing
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Speaker 3: politicians or policies or laws in their communities. They cannot
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Speaker 3: be trusted right now. I think we need to take
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Speaker 3: that away from them, give them some time to work
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Speaker 3: on themselves, and then we'll see if they can earn
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Speaker 3: that privilege back because they do not deserve it.
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Speaker 1: Listen, I'm going to let you say that as a guy.
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Speaker 1: I'm just going to sit here and say, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: that sounds great. Caitlin Bennett.
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Speaker 3: Well, David, let me ask you a question real quick.
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Speaker 7: Please.
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Speaker 3: What if someone hurt your kids and then you. got
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Speaker 3: blamed for it on TikTok and then all these strangers
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Speaker 3: started saying that you were the one that hurt your kids?
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Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 3: How crazy would that be? I.
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Speaker 1: I can't even engage in an exercise where I imagine
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Speaker 1: something like that because it's just so horrific. And, yeah, no,
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Speaker 1: it's all insane. This whole thing, this whole media attention
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Speaker 1: on this case and the way it's being covered is
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Speaker 1: just so insane and is just such a symptom of
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Speaker 1: the broken times we live in. And it's just heartbreaking.
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Speaker 1: I agree with you. I have no sympathy for this lady.
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Speaker 1: I try to say I'm sympathetic because I don't want
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Speaker 1: women mad at me. But, hey, I'm using you. You
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Speaker 1: said it's okay to hate her. I hate her.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can have my woman card.
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Speaker 1: Yes, thank you for your woman card. I appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: Caitlin says it's okay, everybody. Women, don't send me angry emails.
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Speaker 1: Caitlin Bennett, thank you so much for being here as always.
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Speaker 1: Great work. Thanks, David. And congratulations on the new baby.
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Speaker 7: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: Still ahead tonight, the House is back and it just
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Speaker 1: averted a government shutdown weeks early. Oversight Chairman James Comer
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Speaker 1: joins me on what's next and what his committee is
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Speaker 1: digging into. Then the Iran war escalates fast. Iran hits
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Speaker 1: The House of Representatives came back to Washington on Monday
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Speaker 1: after a five-week summer recess, and this Republican-led Congress immediately
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Speaker 1: got back to work yesterday, weeks ahead of the deadline.
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Speaker 1: The House passed a bill to keep the federal government
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Speaker 1: open and funded, and it did it without the usual
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Speaker 1: Democrat-led shutdown circus. Republicans were smart to act fast, and
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Speaker 1: I think they probably caught the Democrats sleeping on this one.
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Speaker 1: In fact, there was no drama at all. The vote
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Speaker 1: was 370 to 48, a blowout, with members of both
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Speaker 1: parties on board. That doesn't happen very often. The bill
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Speaker 1: holds government funding steady straight through December 11th, which pushes
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Speaker 1: the entire spending fight safely past the November elections, which
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Speaker 1: we need. And because the Senate had already passed the
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Speaker 1: very same measure back in August, this thing now heads
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Speaker 1: straight to the president's desk where he's expected to sign it. Now,
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Speaker 1: keeping the lights on was the easy part. The hard
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Speaker 1: part is still ahead. The clock is merciless. The House
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Speaker 1: is in town for only a handful of days this
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Speaker 1: week and then gone until the middle of the month.
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Speaker 1: which leaves them just about three weeks in session before
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Speaker 1: Election Day to handle everything else on the table, the
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Speaker 1: full-year budget, where the House has passed three of its
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Speaker 1: 12 spending bills, and the Senate has passed, well, you
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Speaker 1: know what's happening in the Senate, zero, nada, nothing done. Plus,
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Speaker 1: we have surveillance powers up for renewal, the rules for
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Speaker 1: digital currency, election security, all of it. But funding the government,
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Speaker 1: that's only half of what this House does. The other
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Speaker 1: half is holding the government accountable. No committee does more
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Speaker 1: of that than the Oversight Committee, the one they call
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Speaker 1: the committee that never sleeps. And just this week, while
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Speaker 1: everyone was watching the funding fight, that committee was hauling
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Speaker 1: in witnesses on birth tourism, where the racket that you've
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Speaker 1: seen where foreigners fly here, they have a baby and
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Speaker 1: walk away with an American citizenship. IT'S NOT JUST THE
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Speaker 1: BIDEN ADMINISTRATION. IT WAS TRACKING DOWN HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF
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Speaker 1: MIGRANT CHILDREN AND THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION SIMPLY LOST. LOST. AND
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Speaker 1: THE MAN WHO RUNS THIS COMMITTEE AT THE CENTER OF
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Speaker 1: NEARLY EVERY ONE OF THOSE INVESTIGATIONS JOINS ME NOW WITH
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Speaker 1: A REACTION IS CHAIRMAN JAMES Congressman, welcome to the show.
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Speaker 1: Busy week. The House has done its job. I keep
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Speaker 1: saying this over and over again because in this midterm election,
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Speaker 1: we have to keep the House. It's the most important
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Speaker 1: thing we do because everything else rides on that keeping
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Speaker 1: the Republican majority in the House. And I'm going to
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Speaker 1: say it every day. You guys are doing an amazing
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Speaker 1: job passing everything to the Senate you need to do.
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Speaker 1: Now you've avoided another shutdown fight. How was your first
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Speaker 1: week back?
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Speaker 9: This was a good week in the House. We actually
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Speaker 9: got a lot accomplished. It was helpful that the Senate
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Speaker 9: finally passed a bill in the continuing resolution, so we
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Speaker 9: passed it. Sometimes people complain about continuing resolutions, but they
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Speaker 9: hold spending flat, and that's good.
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Speaker 5: I would love to cut spending. We need to cut spending.
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Speaker 9: But if the Democrats are in the majority, they're going
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Speaker 9: to significantly increase spending, and the debt's going to continue
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Speaker 9: to skyrocket at an even faster pace.
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Speaker 5: So that's one reason to keep the Republicans in the majority.
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Speaker 9: The second reason— is that on my committee, we're focused
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Speaker 9: on waste, fraud, abuse, and mismanagement in the federal government.
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Speaker 9: We're working closely with J.D. Vance's Task Force on Fraud.
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Speaker 9: We're working closely with our new Attorney General, Todd Blanch,
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Speaker 9: who has really cranked it up a bunch of notches
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Speaker 9: as far as going after people and holding them accountable
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Speaker 9: for committing fraud. So I think we're really making progress
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Speaker 9: on First of all, getting people kicked off the government
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Speaker 9: payrolls who have been fraudulently billing Medicare, Medicaid.
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Speaker 5: SNAP, all the different social programs.
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Speaker 9: But secondly, finally, with the new attorney general, holding people accountable,
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Speaker 9: getting people prosecuted.
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Speaker 5: And J.D.
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Speaker 9: Vance is doing a great job of that in Minnesota, California,
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Speaker 9: and now in Ohio.
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Speaker 5: So hopefully we can continue to spread that. But if the.
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Speaker 9: Democrats gain control of the House, they're going to drop
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Speaker 9: every investigation into welfare fraud. And just focus everything on
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Speaker 9: going after Donald Trump and impeaching him a third, fourth, fifth,
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Speaker 9: sixth time.
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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you brought up the fraud because it's
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Speaker 1: so insane to me how much fraud the vice president
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Speaker 1: and your committee has uncovered. And the Democrats seem to
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Speaker 1: want to do everything they can to protect those fraud systems.
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Speaker 1: You would think in a state that's hurting for money,
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Speaker 1: you find fraud, and then the government says, we're going
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Speaker 1: to help get rid of this fraud. You'd think they'd
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Speaker 1: be like, thank you, thank you. The money's going to
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Speaker 1: go to the people who need it. But instead, these
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Speaker 1: blue states are fighting any help whatsoever. They want to
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Speaker 1: protect the fraud. And you're exactly right. If Democrats win,
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Speaker 1: this fraud goes away, or at least investigations go away,
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Speaker 1: Tell me about how important it is that we root
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Speaker 1: out this fraud and what it actually means to the
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Speaker 1: American people who so seldomly hear how important it is
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Speaker 1: for this money to go for the people who deserve it.
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Speaker 9: Well, People on Medicare, they pay all their life to
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Speaker 9: receive Medicare when they turn 65. There are people on
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Speaker 9: Medicaid who are poor and have to have some type
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Speaker 9: of government assistance. The more fraud that happens, the harder
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Speaker 9: it's going to be to provide the services that the
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Speaker 9: senior citizens who have done everything.
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Speaker 5: Right, worked hard, and paid into Medicare are going to get.
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Speaker 9: It's going to be harder to provide services for the
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Speaker 9: people who are truly poor and truly needy. We've got
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Speaker 9: fraud taking a significant bite out of Medicare, Medicaid, and
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Speaker 9: our food programs that go to the children and things
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Speaker 9: like that. That money, there's only a certain size of
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Speaker 9: the pie. There's a big slice of that pie going
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Speaker 9: to fraud. If we can eliminate the fraud, there's going
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Speaker 9: to be more money for our hospitals.
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Speaker 5: To provide Medicare and Medicaid services.
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Speaker 9: Funded services to the sick, if that's cut because of
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Speaker 9: too much spending, then that's going to affect everybody. And
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Speaker 9: it's terrible for our senior citizens. The Democrats don't care
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Speaker 9: about fraud. Anytime we uncover fraud, you know what the
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Speaker 9: first thing they say is?
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Speaker 1: Oh, they're cruel.
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Speaker 5: They're going to cut off somebody. Or the second thing
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Speaker 5: they say, oh, it's racist.
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Speaker 7: It's racist.
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Speaker 5: And they just play those cards.
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Speaker 9: The Kentucky Democrat Party's harassing me every second because they say, oh,
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Speaker 9: he's trying to hurt our Medicaid benefits and our welfare benefits.
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Speaker 5: We're trying to eliminate fraud.
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Speaker 9: And by the way, if you're receiving benefits and you
18:27
Speaker 9: look like me, you're somebody that can get up and
18:29
Speaker 9: go to work. then you don't deserve to get welfare benefit.
18:33
Speaker 9: That's what we're trying to eliminate. We're trying to get
18:35
Speaker 9: able-bodied men off the welfare rolls and into the workforce.
18:39
Speaker 9: We're trying to eliminate all the fraudsters, many of whom
18:42
Speaker 9: are foreign, who came across here during Biden's open border.
18:47
Speaker 9: We're trying to eliminate it and then trying to get
18:50
Speaker 9: them to prison if they don't flee the country and
18:53
Speaker 9: go back to where they came from. So we're making
18:55
Speaker 9: a lot of progress, and that's something that doesn't get
18:58
Speaker 9: much press. But I think that it's a given if
19:03
Speaker 9: the Democrats win, they're not going to go after fraud.
19:05
Speaker 5: They're just going to go after Trump.
19:06
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. That is the only thing they're interested
19:09
Speaker 1: in stopping. And speaking of stopping Trump, I mean, it
19:12
Speaker 1: might seem like a year ago because the recess came
19:15
Speaker 1: and went. Fauci's testifying in the Senate, pleading the fifth,
19:19
Speaker 1: not answering questions. Accountability needs to happen there. And plus,
19:23
Speaker 1: there's still some people that served under both Obama and
19:27
Speaker 1: Biden that were doing everything they can to weaponize the
19:30
Speaker 1: government to get Trump out. What is your, what's on
19:33
Speaker 1: the committee's agenda to kind of hold people accountable? Because
19:36
Speaker 1: that's what we keep hearing out there heading into the midterms. Like,
19:38
Speaker 1: we were promised that we'd hold these folks accountable and
19:41
Speaker 1: nobody's gone to jail. What good news can we give
19:43
Speaker 1: to them?
19:45
Speaker 9: Well, if I could put people in jail, I'd have
19:47
Speaker 9: a lot of people in jail and Fauci would.
19:48
Speaker 7: Be the first one.
19:49
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, we do the investigations, we do criminal referrals.
19:52
Speaker 9: We've done very successful, very accurate investigations on Dr.
19:58
Speaker 7: Fauci.
19:58
Speaker 5: We proved he lied.
20:00
Speaker 9: Rand Paul tried to get him in a year after
20:02
Speaker 9: our hearing with Dr. Fauci to ask him follow-up questions
20:06
Speaker 9: since his diary emerged. And he pled the fifth. But
20:10
Speaker 9: there's already criminal referrals. We issued criminal referrals well over
20:14
Speaker 9: a year ago to the Department of Justice. They haven't
20:16
Speaker 9: done anything with them. Same with the Biden family, the
20:18
Speaker 9: entire family. The Department of Justice hasn't done anything with them.
20:22
Speaker 9: So there's honestly been a lot of frustration with us,
20:27
Speaker 9: with we on the Oversight Committee, with certain members of
20:30
Speaker 9: the Judiciary Committee, that the Department of Justice hasn't prosecuted
20:34
Speaker 9: the people that we've successfully investigated in Congress. Todd Blanch,
20:39
Speaker 9: I think, is going to change things. He's already ramped
20:43
Speaker 9: up the fraud. They prosecuted a lot of people in Minnesota.
20:47
Speaker 9: And I don't think a lot of people realize that.
20:48
Speaker 9: They say nobody's going to jail. There are a lot
20:50
Speaker 9: of people in jail in Minnesota right now. There are
20:52
Speaker 9: fixing to be a lot of people go to jail
20:53
Speaker 9: in California and Ohio for Medicaid fraud. And that's because J.D.
20:57
Speaker 9: Vance is doing his task force, too. So we're just
21:01
Speaker 9: now starting to see— the fruits of our labor. And
21:05
Speaker 9: hopefully we can continue to see that. I know Comey's
21:08
Speaker 9: in court, Eric Swalwell's in court. These are deep state
21:12
Speaker 9: actors that have been involved in a lot of mischief
21:14
Speaker 9: and have weaponized the federal government.
21:16
Speaker 5: So hopefully we're gonna see.
21:18
Speaker 9: More And I think that there's—I've been told there's going
21:23
Speaker 9: to be some January 6th news soon. So hopefully we're
21:28
Speaker 9: at the point we're going to see it. I'm hoping
21:30
Speaker 9: and pleading with the Department of Justice that this happens
21:32
Speaker 9: before the November elections, because I think that's one reason
21:35
Speaker 9: a lot of Republicans aren't as excited about this election
21:38
Speaker 9: year as Democrats, because they haven't seen people be prosecuted
21:42
Speaker 9: that they know have violated the law.
21:45
Speaker 5: So hopefully that's about to change.
21:47
Speaker 1: Chairman, I agree with you completely. I mean, we got
21:49
Speaker 1: to eliminate some of these frustrations. And I think there's
21:51
Speaker 1: fear involved, too, because if we don't keep the House
21:54
Speaker 1: this November, you know, those people who we hoped would
21:58
Speaker 1: be in jail for the weaponization, we're giving them back
22:00
Speaker 1: the keys and we're giving them back the powers of investigation.
22:04
Speaker 1: And we can't have that happen, which is why we
22:07
Speaker 1: need to act fast. And hopefully the new attorney general
22:09
Speaker 1: will do that. Chairman, thank you so much for all
22:11
Speaker 1: the hard work you're doing up there in Washington. And
22:13
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me on the show.
22:15
Speaker 5: Thanks for having me.
22:16
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Speaker 1: Iran appears to be, I don't know, it's called sad
24:12
Speaker 1: that nobody's paying attention to the Strait of Hormuz anymore.
24:15
Speaker 1: And like a child desperate for attention, they decided to
24:18
Speaker 1: start attacking commercial tankers again. TANKER WAS HIT BY THREE
24:21
Speaker 1: PROJECTILES ON MONDAY, AND PRESIDENT TRUMP ANSWERED THEM WITH A
24:25
Speaker 1: BRAND-NEW POLICY. ONE OF HIS OWN OFFICIALS HAVE A NAME
24:28
Speaker 1: FOR IT. THEY CALL IT TANKER FOR TANKER. HERE'S WHAT
24:30
Speaker 1: THAT MEANS. FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THIS ENTIRE WAR,
24:33
Speaker 1: AMERICAN FORCES STRUCK IRAN'S OWN TANKERS IN DIRECT RETALIATION FOR
24:37
Speaker 1: IRAN ATTACKING OURS, OUR ALLIES. OVERNIGHT, U.S. DRONES FOUND TWO
24:42
Speaker 1: IRANIAN GOVERNMENT TANKERS ANCHORED OFF THE IRANIAN COAST AND PUT
24:46
Speaker 1: MISSILES STRAIGHT INTO THEIR ENGINE ROOMS. We're just the beginning.
24:52
Speaker 1: All told, American forces hit roughly 100 targets across southern Iran.
24:56
Speaker 1: The Revolutionary Guard's radar installations, its air defenses, its mine
25:00
Speaker 1: laying operations, its anti-ship missile launchers. The entire apparatus Iran
25:05
Speaker 1: has been using to strangle that straight. One U.S. official
25:09
Speaker 1: summed up Iran's night in a single sentence. Well, they
25:12
Speaker 1: got nothing today. AROUND THE WORLD. AROUND THE WORLD. AROUND
25:16
Speaker 1: THE WORLD. AROUND THE WORLD. AROUND THE WORLD. AROUND THE WORLD.
25:19
Speaker 1: AROUND THE WORLD. AROUND THE WORLD. AROUND THE WORLD. AROUND
25:22
Speaker 1: THE WORLD. AROUND THE WORLD. AROUND THE WORLD. AROUND THE WORLD.
25:25
Speaker 1: AROUND THE WORLD. AROUND THE WORLD. AROUND THE WORLD. AROUND
25:28
Speaker 1: THE WORLD. AROUND THE WORLD. AROUND THE WORLD. AROUND THE WORLD.
25:31
Speaker 1: AROUND THE WORLD. AROUND THE WORLD. AROUND THE WORLD. AROUND
25:34
Speaker 1: THE WORLD. AROUND THE WORLD. AROUND THE WORLD. AROUND THE WORLD.
25:35
Speaker 1: AROUND THE WORLD. AROUND THE WORLD. AROUND THE WORLD. AROUND
25:38
Speaker 1: THE WORLD. AROUND THE WORLD. There were no American casualties
25:45
Speaker 1: at all. So the regime is claiming a massacre. Our allies,
25:49
Speaker 1: our own officials say Iran missed. Until the Pentagon confirms otherwise,
25:55
Speaker 1: that IRGC body count is propaganda, and we're going to
25:58
Speaker 1: treat it as propaganda. But I'm sure some American influencers
26:01
Speaker 1: will have no problem carrying that propaganda forward on social media.
26:05
Speaker 1: But let's look at the actual scoreboard. Iran can't keep
26:08
Speaker 1: the oil from flowing. This week, 17 million barrels moved
26:11
Speaker 1: through that strait in a single day, the most since
26:13
Speaker 1: the war began. And Iran can't keep its leverage because
26:16
Speaker 1: the president's treasury secretary just put the entire world on notice.
26:20
Speaker 1: Here he is.
26:22
Speaker 10: Today, at President Trump's direction, the United States Treasury has
26:27
Speaker 10: begun Operation Economic Outcast, an unprecedented campaign against the Islamic
26:33
Speaker 10: Republic of Iran and its enablers.
26:37
Speaker 1: Any bank, any company, anywhere on Earth that keeps propping
26:40
Speaker 1: up this regime gets locked out of the American dollar,
26:43
Speaker 1: the lifeblood of the global economy. Now, Iran, they can't
26:46
Speaker 1: even attack a ship without watching two of its own
26:49
Speaker 1: go up in flames in return. U.S. gas prices are falling.
26:53
Speaker 1: We made a historical deal with Venezuela. And it won't
26:55
Speaker 1: be long now before nobody even remembers where the Strait
26:58
Speaker 1: of Hormuz is on a map anymore, if it's even
27:00
Speaker 1: named that anymore, to break down where this goes from here,
27:04
Speaker 1: on the water, the markets. IT'S NOT JUST THE U.S.,
27:06
Speaker 1: IT'S THE UNITED STATES, IT'S THE UNITED STATES, WHEREVER IT GOES.
27:08
Speaker 1: STEFANO RITTENDALE, CHIEF INTELLIGENCE OFFICER AT ATTORIUS, WELCOME BACK TO
27:11
Speaker 1: DAVID POLIT, PRIME TIME. I KNOW PEOPLE ARE GETTING TIRED
27:14
Speaker 1: OF THIS WAR. A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT IT OVER.
27:15
Speaker 1: THE REASON PEOPLE WANT IT OVER MOSTLY IS BECAUSE OF
27:17
Speaker 1: GAS PRICES. GAS PRICES SEEM TO BE DROPPING IN SPITE
27:20
Speaker 1: OF THIS NEW WAVE OF ATTACKS. IT SEEMS IRAN, AND
27:23
Speaker 1: MAYBE I'M SETTING THIS UP WRONG, BUT IT SEEMS IRAN
27:25
Speaker 1: WAS LIKE, HEY, I DON'T LIKE THE WAY THIS IS GOING.
27:28
Speaker 1: THEY STARTED TRYING TO LAY MINES AGAIN IN THIS STRAIGHT.
27:30
Speaker 1: THE UNITED STATES SAYS, NO, It just seems Iran wants
27:36
Speaker 1: to make gas prices expensive. They think that's leverage going
27:39
Speaker 1: into the midterms. And I don't think I don't think
27:41
Speaker 1: it's going to be as effective as it once was.
27:43
Speaker 1: Am I setting this up wrong or am I seeing
27:44
Speaker 1: it the right way? Stefano, you're the expert. You tell me.
27:47
Speaker 11: Well, first, David, thank you so much for having me. Look, obviously,
27:50
Speaker 11: the Iranian calculus and decision making process and all this
27:53
Speaker 11: is to cause economic pain globally into the United States
27:57
Speaker 11: specifically as to as in a way to influence the U.S.
28:00
Speaker 7: Administration.
28:01
Speaker 11: This is also from a nonpolitical and a political perspective,
28:03
Speaker 11: and they might be looking at the midterms as a
28:06
Speaker 11: key benchmark to see how much they can put pressure.
28:09
Speaker 11: I would just say, regardless of which political party wins
28:12
Speaker 11: in the United States, and that's up to the American
28:13
Speaker 11: people for whatever reason they decide to vote. The new
28:17
Speaker 11: Congress doesn't come in into January, and clearly the president
28:20
Speaker 11: still is the commander-in-chief, and he still has a lot
28:22
Speaker 11: of influence and say. And the instability, this idea that
28:26
Speaker 11: even if there's a Democratic Congress, that they're just going
28:27
Speaker 11: to willy-nilly allow Iran to have an absolute control of
28:30
Speaker 11: the Straits of Hormuz or violate one of the core
28:32
Speaker 11: principles of international law. which is the free flow of
28:36
Speaker 11: goods across international waters, is absurd. I think Iran is
28:39
Speaker 11: trying to look at this as the only leverage they have.
28:41
Speaker 11: They're trying to maximize it. But as you alluded to
28:43
Speaker 11: and pointed out, the longer this drags out, the less
28:46
Speaker 11: influence they're actually having in the Straits of Hormuz and
28:49
Speaker 11: more and more of their capabilities degraded while the economic
28:51
Speaker 11: costs in Iran continues to increase, if not drastically worsen
28:56
Speaker 11: by the day.
28:57
Speaker 1: So how long does this go for at this point?
29:00
Speaker 1: I mean— How long can they survive? I mean, I
29:03
Speaker 1: know China is probably resupplying and China is probably meddling
29:07
Speaker 1: behind the scenes because, well, their energy pipeline is starting
29:10
Speaker 1: to narrow now that Venezuela has this deal with the
29:12
Speaker 1: United States. How long do you think this goes?
29:16
Speaker 11: Well, I mean, it's interesting because the Chinese government has
29:19
Speaker 11: actually released statements saying, look, Iran, we're not going to
29:21
Speaker 11: tolerate this issue of the Strait of Hormuz being closed
29:24
Speaker 11: indefinitely or your actions there. They've actually released a statement saying, look,
29:28
Speaker 11: we want you to fix not only your issues with
29:30
Speaker 11: the United States, but also Saudi Arabia. China is also
29:34
Speaker 11: kind of a very bad predicament in this situation because
29:37
Speaker 11: they understand and realize they're also affected by the global economy.
29:40
Speaker 11: And if their price of oil goes up, it infects
29:42
Speaker 11: them as well. And look, China also has other areas
29:45
Speaker 11: where they can buy oil. You know, just because we
29:47
Speaker 11: have this deal with Venezuela, a lot of these oils
29:50
Speaker 11: are brought in the market. You can even have that
29:51
Speaker 11: situation there. Obviously, the United States has much more influence.
29:54
Speaker 11: But I think Iran, if you're asking the question of
29:57
Speaker 11: how long they can last, I mean, that's one of
29:59
Speaker 11: the hardest questions to answer if you're an intelligence analyst.
30:02
Speaker 11: And it's basically saying, what's the will to fight? And
30:05
Speaker 11: I can tell you, David, from my experience, that is
30:08
Speaker 11: the hardest thing to assess. I mean, I think the
30:10
Speaker 11: perfect example I would say, David, I mean, if we
30:12
Speaker 11: go all the way back to 2010 in the Arab Spring,
30:15
Speaker 11: At the turn of the decade, nobody would have believed
30:18
Speaker 11: that a fruit vendor burning himself alive would have fundamentally
30:22
Speaker 11: transformed the Middle East. It was never in anybody's calculus,
30:25
Speaker 11: and yet that's what's happened. And that's the situation that
30:27
Speaker 11: Iran has. They're in a very precarious situation. Obviously, their
30:31
Speaker 11: soldiers and law enforcement personnel are getting paid. I think
30:33
Speaker 11: the administration, the Trump administration, is trying to amplify that
30:36
Speaker 11: and worsen that situation because they want the Iranian will
30:39
Speaker 11: to fight, at least at the bottom, mid, and at best,
30:42
Speaker 11: upper levels, to crack and fold. and fall into the
30:45
Speaker 11: United States. But if you're going to ask me how
30:46
Speaker 11: long they last, it depends the will to fight and
30:49
Speaker 11: the ability of the repressive machine to continue to hold Iran.
30:52
Speaker 11: Right now, they do show they have a strong hold,
30:55
Speaker 11: but it's not indefinite.
30:56
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but and then at the G20 today, though,
30:58
Speaker 1: they tried to vote on a resolution. that would keep
31:01
Speaker 1: the Strait up. This is basically a free passage through
31:03
Speaker 1: the Strait. China was the only one not to vote
31:06
Speaker 1: for it. They vetoed it. So I think they are
31:08
Speaker 1: playing games with, to some extent, trying to assert themselves because,
31:13
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm interested to get your take on this.
31:15
Speaker 1: If you look at where we were before President Trump
31:17
Speaker 1: took office, it seemed China was growing more powerful and
31:20
Speaker 1: Iran was doing whatever they wanted to do. It seems
31:24
Speaker 1: that the world is sort of shifting, especially if you
31:26
Speaker 1: look at South America and this historic deal. with Venezuela.
31:29
Speaker 1: It seems the world is shifting west again, and the
31:31
Speaker 1: influence is shifting west. Are you feeling that same way?
31:34
Speaker 11: You know, I think one of the key issues, right,
31:36
Speaker 11: when you bring up, look, China obviously played double games.
31:38
Speaker 11: This vote in the G20 that you rightfully highlighted, I
31:41
Speaker 11: think it's still a way to give Iran some leeway
31:44
Speaker 11: to show that they're not completely isolated. It's also important
31:46
Speaker 11: to note that the Shanghai Cooperation Organization meeting happened, which
31:49
Speaker 11: is kind of the lesser equivalent of NATO in the
31:52
Speaker 11: Central Asia with China and Russia, with Iran trying to
31:55
Speaker 11: become a member. So obviously, they still play a role
31:58
Speaker 11: to support Iran, but their patience is not unlimited with Iran.
32:01
Speaker 11: And they also have to balance that with the relationship
32:03
Speaker 11: with Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, key allies
32:05
Speaker 11: of the United States. To your broader questions like China's
32:08
Speaker 11: role in relations and presence, we can analyze this from
32:12
Speaker 11: a military perspective, but I think it's also important to
32:13
Speaker 11: analyze this from an economic perspective, because China is doubling
32:17
Speaker 11: and tripling down on a manufacturing export-based economy that is
32:20
Speaker 11: causing a lot of tensions with countries around the world
32:23
Speaker 11: where it competes with their own. I think the United
32:25
Speaker 11: States has better posture to handle this. And we've done
32:28
Speaker 11: this not only since the first Trump administration, but the
32:30
Speaker 11: Biden administration, and again with the second Trump administration, to
32:33
Speaker 11: try to prevent China from saturating us with so much
32:36
Speaker 11: cheap goods and other services. Europe is actually facing the
32:40
Speaker 11: brunt of this. And we're also seeing Europe saying, look,
32:42
Speaker 11: our patience is not unlimited with China. And I would
32:45
Speaker 11: agree that internationally, although the United States might be consumed
32:48
Speaker 11: with Iran and our military forces there, we still have
32:51
Speaker 11: a lot of diplomatic reach and economic reach to influence.
32:54
Speaker 11: And we're seeing a lot of countries, specifically in South America,
32:57
Speaker 11: saying we'd rather be with the United States than with Beijing.
32:59
Speaker 1: Now, Stefano Ritondale, that's why I love having you on.
33:02
Speaker 1: You're so smart. I appreciate you bringing all this information
33:05
Speaker 1: to the audience, and I look forward to having you
33:06
Speaker 1: on again real soon.
33:08
Speaker 7: Thank you so much, David.
33:08
Speaker 11: It was great being here again.
33:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. We launch a brand new segment that
33:15
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33:23
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Speaker 1: You've heard the term weaponization. You've heard the stories. You've
34:31
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34:34
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34:38
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34:41
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34:44
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34:47
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34:52
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34:56
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34:58
Speaker 1: crime of journalism. And that's exactly why we refuse to
35:03
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35:05
Speaker 1: So every Wednesday on this program from tonight forward, I'm
35:08
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35:13
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35:16
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35:19
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35:23
Speaker 1: very first one, I want to tell you about a
35:25
Speaker 1: soldier NAMED JEREMY HAROLD. JEREMY, HE GAVE THE BETTER PART
35:30
Speaker 1: OF A DECADE TO THE UNITED STATES ARMY FIGHTING THIS
35:33
Speaker 1: COUNTRY'S WAR ON TERROR IN IRAQ. HE CAME HOME LIKE
35:37
Speaker 1: WAY TOO MANY OF OUR WARRIORS DID, CARRYING WOUNDS THAT
35:40
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35:43
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35:47
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35:50
Speaker 1: HOLD DOWN A NORMAL TRADITIONAL JOB. He turned his pain
35:56
Speaker 1: into purpose, and in 2019, he founded a nonprofit organization
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Speaker 1: called Veterans Club, dedicated to pulling other veterans and other
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Speaker 1: first responders back from the edge. Suicide prevention, addiction recovery, brotherhood.
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Speaker 1: And for that, well, the federal government sent him to prison.
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Speaker 1: In August of last year, a jury convicted Jeremy Harrell
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Speaker 1: of stealing government benefits, the very disability payments the VA
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Speaker 1: itself had granted him, $ 128, 000 of them, The prosecutor's theory
36:26
Speaker 1: went like this. They said, because Jeremy worked 40, 50,
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Speaker 1: 60 hours a week maybe building a non-for-profit, managing the money,
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Speaker 1: rallying its 6,000 volunteers, sitting for interviews, he had proven
36:40
Speaker 1: he was capable of holding a job. And so he
36:42
Speaker 1: was never really entitled to those checks he received. He
36:46
Speaker 1: faced up to 10 years. He served six months in
36:48
Speaker 1: federal prison. But look at what that jury weighed against him, Jeremy.
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Speaker 1: Never took a paycheck from Veterans Club, not one dollar.
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Speaker 1: He built the entire thing as an unpaid volunteer. And
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Speaker 1: his argument from the very first day has been this.
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Speaker 1: Unemployability is about your ability to hold down a paying job.
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Speaker 1: The unpaid work he poured into saving other veterans was
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Speaker 1: never an occupation. It was his therapy. It was, in
37:12
Speaker 1: his own words, how he kept himself alive while he
37:15
Speaker 1: was keeping them alive. And it was not just Jeremy
37:18
Speaker 1: saying so. Across four years in question, more than 50
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Speaker 1: separate providers at the VA reviewed his case and agreed
37:24
Speaker 1: his rating was correct. The first one to disagree was
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Speaker 1: a psychologist brought in to examine him at the specific
37:30
Speaker 1: request of the federal agents already building the case against him. So,
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Speaker 1: did Jeremy Harrell do anything wrong? Juries thought so. Jeremy says, no,
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Speaker 1: he's innocent, and he earned those benefits in the mountains
37:43
Speaker 1: of Iraq, and that his government... HE'S A CRIMINAL. HE'S
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Speaker 1: A CRIMINAL. HE'S A CRIMINAL. HE'S A CRIMINAL. HE'S A CRIMINAL.
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Speaker 1: HE'S A CRIMINAL. HE'S A CRIMINAL. HE'S A CRIMINAL. HE'S
37:52
Speaker 1: A CRIMINAL. HE'S A CRIMINAL. HE'S A CRIMINAL. HE'S A CRIMINAL.
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Speaker 1: HE'S A CRIMINAL. HE'S A CRIMINAL. HE'S A CRIMINAL. HE'S
37:58
Speaker 1: A CRIMINAL. HE'S A CRIMINAL. HE'S A CRIMINAL. HE'S A CRIMINAL.
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Speaker 1: HE'S A CRIMINAL. HE'S A CRIMINAL. HE'S A CRIMINAL. HE'S
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Speaker 1: A CRIMINAL. HE'S A CRIMINAL. HE'S A CRIMINAL. HE'S A CRIMINAL.
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Speaker 1: HE'S A CRIMINAL. HE'S A CRIMINAL. SUPPORTERS HAVE AN ANSWER,
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Speaker 1: AND IT'S A COLD ONE, BECAUSE JEREMY HERRELL WASN'T ANONYMOUS.
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Speaker 1: HE HAD A PLATFORM. HE WAS A PUBLIC FACE FOR VETERANS,
38:23
Speaker 1: AND THAT, THEY ARGUE, IS PRECISELY WHY THEY MADE HIM
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Speaker 1: A TARGET AND A WARNING SHOT TO EVERY OTHER VETERAN
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Speaker 1: IN AMERICA WHO MIGHT DARE SAY STAY USEFUL WHILE COLLECTING
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Speaker 1: THE DISABILITY CHECK THEY EARNED. JEREMY HERRELL HAS SERVED HIS SENTENCE.
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Speaker 1: HE'S ALSO SERVED HIS COUNTRY. It's a free man and
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Speaker 1: a convicted felon asking the president of the United States
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Speaker 1: for a full pardon. Jeremy joins me now for the
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Speaker 1: first Weaponization Wednesday. Jeremy, welcome to the show.
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Speaker 7: Thank you, David. Thanks for having me. I'm glad to
38:56
Speaker 7: be here.
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Speaker 1: It's an honor. Tell me, look. People are going to
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Speaker 1: look at this segment. They're going to say, well, he
39:02
Speaker 1: was taking benefits. He had this organization. The money didn't
39:06
Speaker 1: belong to him. That money was fraud. It should have
39:09
Speaker 1: went to another veteran that wasn't able to work. That's
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Speaker 1: what the government said. That's what the jury agreed to.
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Speaker 1: What do you say to them?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I say that there's a lot more ambiguity in
39:21
Speaker 6: this case than that. Number one, in 2010, the VA
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Speaker 6: determined that I was permanently and totally disabled. Now, I
39:30
Speaker 6: don't know, David, what you think when you hear the
39:32
Speaker 6: words permanent and total, but for me, it means forever.
39:35
Speaker 6: They said that there would be no future exams and
39:38
Speaker 6: basically told me to try to live my life the
39:40
Speaker 6: best that I could.
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Speaker 7: And so, I was actually very depressed.
39:44
Speaker 6: About that rating initially, and it took me almost a
39:48
Speaker 6: decade before I had figured out a way to rectify
39:52
Speaker 6: the way that I was feeling and a way that
39:54
Speaker 6: I could give back to my country, right? This was
39:57
Speaker 6: never the plan for me. I'd much rather be healthy
39:59
Speaker 6: and be able to go out and perform the way
40:02
Speaker 6: that many others can, but that just wasn't in the
40:04
Speaker 6: cards for me.
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Speaker 7: And so the response that I would have.
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Speaker 6: To that is, What changed between 2010 and 2023 when
40:14
Speaker 6: that indictment came? The only thing that changed was the
40:19
Speaker 6: amount of positive change that I was creating. The systemic
40:24
Speaker 6: failures of the VA and the Biden administration, whether it
40:28
Speaker 6: pertains to national security or whether it pertains to VA benefits,
40:32
Speaker 6: I was very loud about those, very vocal. Additionally, I
40:35
Speaker 6: did not stop operating the nonprofit during COVID-19.
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Speaker 7: We were able to do it and do it effectively
40:41
Speaker 7: and safely.
40:41
Speaker 6: I'm happy to report that no one got ill from
40:44
Speaker 6: attending any one of our events. But the last thing
40:47
Speaker 6: that we needed to do was for veterans to be
40:50
Speaker 6: isolated when they already do that enough.
40:52
Speaker 7: And that's a killer in our community.
40:54
Speaker 6: But what's really interesting about this, David, is in August
40:57
Speaker 6: of 2021, I heavily criticized what I call the most
41:02
Speaker 6: botched military operation in history when Biden had us leave Afghanistan.
41:09
Speaker 7: I criticized that heavily. It went viral. Two months later,
41:12
Speaker 7: in October, the investigation started.
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Speaker 6: And then once that investigation started, it never stopped. The
41:18
Speaker 6: initial claim wasn't even about disability. The initial claim was
41:23
Speaker 6: about that people thought maybe I was profiting from my nonprofit,
41:27
Speaker 6: but that wasn't the case.
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Speaker 7: They did a forensic audit that I was never aware of.
41:31
Speaker 7: And keep in mind, I had never.
41:33
Speaker 6: Had any inkling of knowledge that I was even under investigation.
41:37
Speaker 6: But they did the forensic audit, realized that I had
41:39
Speaker 6: taken nothing from this organization, not even mileage for my
41:43
Speaker 6: own personal vehicle. And when that didn't work, they didn't
41:46
Speaker 6: simply close the case and go on and do their
41:49
Speaker 6: job and aggravate a different veteran. They decided to find
41:54
Speaker 6: a new theory. So they kept trying to go down
41:57
Speaker 6: these rabbit holes, try to find some sort of probable
41:59
Speaker 6: cause in order to bring me down. And that was
42:02
Speaker 6: the point. And then, you know, they started investigating. They
42:05
Speaker 6: started asking questions again. Why didn't the investigator ever ask me?
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Speaker 7: What I was doing? Why would he bypass the suspect,
42:15
Speaker 7: so to speak?
42:16
Speaker 6: Well, it's because he knew that I had answers for
42:19
Speaker 6: everything that they were suspecting me of doing wrong and
42:23
Speaker 6: couldn't sit in front of a grand jury morally and.
42:26
Speaker 7: Tell a lie, even though they did anyway.
42:29
Speaker 6: And so at the end of the grand jury indictment,
42:32
Speaker 6: The grand jury had 15 questions. When my lawyer told
42:36
Speaker 6: me this, he says, even on a bad case, there
42:39
Speaker 6: might be one or two questions, something confusing that come
42:42
Speaker 6: up during the testimony.
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Speaker 7: They had 15.
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Speaker 1: Why?
42:45
Speaker 6: Because this never should have been prosecuted. This never should
42:48
Speaker 6: have been a criminal case. At the height of this,
42:53
Speaker 6: it would have been an administrative process. 99.9% of the
42:57
Speaker 6: time when the VA feels like that you're improving, what
43:02
Speaker 6: they do is they give you exams and then propose
43:05
Speaker 6: to reduce your rating.
43:08
Speaker 7: Well, they decided not to do that with me. They
43:10
Speaker 7: decided to make this a criminal proceeding.
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Speaker 6: And again, I think this problem isn't even about disability.
43:16
Speaker 6: I think this problem, based on what we've learned through
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Speaker 6: discovery and what we've learned over the course of time,
43:21
Speaker 6: talking to many, many very intelligent and highly prominent attorneys
43:25
Speaker 6: across this country, is the problem wasn't disability. The problem
43:28
Speaker 6: was is that Folks wanted me, were urging me to
43:32
Speaker 6: run for a Republican Senate seat in Kentucky. They were
43:36
Speaker 6: wanting me to get into politics. And that's a very
43:41
Speaker 6: scary thing for a state that is governed by a
43:45
Speaker 6: Democratic governor.
43:46
Speaker 7: And so I think you put all.
43:49
Speaker 6: These things together, and it's very easy to see that
43:54
Speaker 6: this was more than just about any kind of benefit fraud.
43:57
Speaker 6: I mean, You know, look, why didn't they come after
43:59
Speaker 6: me between 2010 and 2023? I started this organization with
44:06
Speaker 6: other veterans in 2019. It was only when I was
44:10
Speaker 6: the loudest, it was only when I was being called
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Speaker 6: in as a subject matter expert, when legislators were listening,
44:16
Speaker 6: when folks like you were calling asking for my opinion
44:20
Speaker 6: on different things within the veteran.
44:22
Speaker 7: Community that it become a problem.
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Speaker 6: And so that's the biggest question is. And then once
44:28
Speaker 6: they thought that I was doing something wrong, why did
44:31
Speaker 6: why did he wait two years to do something about it?
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 7: Why wouldn't he want to stop the quote unquote fraud immediately?
44:38
Speaker 8: Right.
44:38
Speaker 6: If it was about rescue in the United States. So, yeah.
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Speaker 1: So if I'm understanding this correctly. They you had this organization.
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Speaker 1: You started this organization back in 2010. You went and served.
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Speaker 1: You came back. You were given 100 percent disability rating.
44:53
Speaker 1: They're saying basically you're disabled and we're going to give
44:56
Speaker 1: you this money since you serve this country and you
44:57
Speaker 1: became disabled while serving this country. And there are work
45:01
Speaker 1: restrictions on receiving that disability payment. So you didn't, and
45:05
Speaker 1: you couldn't work if you wanted to because of a
45:06
Speaker 1: TBI and other battle-related injuries. And so to make yourself useful,
45:12
Speaker 1: what did they expect you to do? Sit in a
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Speaker 1: recliner for the rest of your life and drink sweet
45:16
Speaker 1: tea and yell at the television? So you go and
45:18
Speaker 1: you gather veterans together to try to do some good.
45:21
Speaker 1: And then they tried to go after you for doing
45:24
Speaker 1: some criminal things. And when they realized there was no
45:26
Speaker 1: there there, they decided that because they viewed you as
45:31
Speaker 1: being less disabled as they rated you, that in itself
45:36
Speaker 1: was a crime. They were going to send you to
45:37
Speaker 1: jail for up to 10 years. You end up serving
45:39
Speaker 1: six months in jail because you received the benefits that
45:44
Speaker 1: they gave you and because you weren't basically a vegetable
45:47
Speaker 1: receiving those benefits. I'm understanding this correctly?
45:50
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, you're spot on target. You know, here's
45:52
Speaker 7: the deal. These aren't wages. I didn't steal money from
45:55
Speaker 7: Chase Bank, right?
45:57
Speaker 6: These are benefits that I earned due to the sacrifice
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Speaker 6: of my mind and body. And they told me when
46:02
Speaker 6: I raised my right hand and swore an oath to
46:04
Speaker 6: defend this country that that you have to be really
46:07
Speaker 6: healthy to join the military. And they say, if you
46:10
Speaker 6: go and do this for us and you come back
46:11
Speaker 6: and you're not as healthy, we're going to take care
46:13
Speaker 6: of you. And all I was doing is expecting them
46:16
Speaker 6: to uphold their end of the bargain because I certainly
46:19
Speaker 6: had done that. I served honorably, had no issues in
46:21
Speaker 6: the military. And as far as criminal activity, I had
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Speaker 6: one speeding ticket on my record from 2008 This is
46:29
Speaker 6: just asinine. And it was just more about trying to
46:31
Speaker 6: silence me, trying to get me out of the picture
46:34
Speaker 6: because I was able to infiltrate rooms that they didn't want.
46:39
Speaker 7: Me to be in.
46:40
Speaker 6: And I was able to get the attention of people
46:42
Speaker 6: they didn't want.
46:43
Speaker 7: To have the attention.
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Speaker 6: And so, you know, this is what it looks like
46:47
Speaker 6: when the government is afraid.
46:48
Speaker 7: This is what it looks like.
46:50
Speaker 6: When when you're when you're too loud and when you're
46:53
Speaker 6: making sense, I was still in campaign points from a
46:56
Speaker 6: lot of folks who were running for office around the country.
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Speaker 8: Right.
46:59
Speaker 6: You know, they want to use these campaign campaign points
47:02
Speaker 6: to keep getting reelected. And with a little bit of
47:05
Speaker 6: money and a lot of effort, we were we were
47:07
Speaker 6: taking care of those campaign.
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Speaker 1: I mean, they could have they could have just reassessed
47:11
Speaker 1: your disability rating, which, by the way, nobody nobody gets
47:13
Speaker 1: better from traumatic brain injury to the point where they're
47:16
Speaker 1: disabled from it. They could have reevaluated your benefits if
47:19
Speaker 1: they wanted to. They could have suggested you were being overpaid.
47:22
Speaker 1: There's a million different, like you mentioned, administrative ways they
47:26
Speaker 1: could have went about this. It's not like you weren't
47:27
Speaker 1: entitled to those benefits. You went and you served and
47:29
Speaker 1: you were injured. It's not like you pretended to have
47:32
Speaker 1: a back injury and they caught you cutting your grass.
47:34
Speaker 1: You went and fought. You were injured in battle. And
47:37
Speaker 1: then you came back and you kept doing things to
47:39
Speaker 1: benefit the community. And for that, they put you in jail.
47:42
Speaker 1: It's a crazy case. I hope everybody goes. and looks
47:45
Speaker 1: up the facts of your case and lobbies for a
47:48
Speaker 1: pardon for you, my friend. Jeremy, thank you for your service.
47:51
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on the show. And good luck
47:53
Speaker 1: to you, my friend.
47:54
Speaker 7: Thank you. I appreciate it.
47:56
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Speaker 1: He never took a single snap in the NFL. Not one.
49:55
Speaker 1: At least, not in the real one. But for four
49:58
Speaker 1: straight years, a 35-year-old man named Dajon Love... managed to
50:02
Speaker 1: convince two dozen women in this past week, roughly half
50:06
Speaker 1: the Internet, that he was a wide receiver for the
50:09
Speaker 1: San Francisco 49ers. I have to hand it to him.
50:12
Speaker 1: The man committed to the bit, according to federal prosecutors, Love,
50:17
Speaker 1: built an entire fake NFL life on Instagram. He posted
50:21
Speaker 1: photos of himself training. He wore 49ers gear everywhere he went.
50:26
Speaker 1: He took a picture of a real player, covered up
50:28
Speaker 1: the jersey number with a football, and passed it off
50:31
Speaker 1: as himself on the practice field. When the Niners went
50:34
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl, he reposted the real players' behind-the-scenes
50:38
Speaker 1: videos as though he had filmed them. He even staged
50:41
Speaker 1: a fake contract signing for the cameras, and in detail,
50:44
Speaker 1: so perfect you almost have to respect it. One of
50:47
Speaker 1: the fake names he used to pull all of this
50:50
Speaker 1: off was Jordan Love, which happens to be the actual
50:53
Speaker 1: name of a real NFL quarterback. There was one tiny
50:58
Speaker 1: flaw in the master plan. Love was constantly photographed walking
51:01
Speaker 1: around town with his football helmet. If you know anything
51:05
Speaker 1: about the NFL, it's the one thing real players never
51:07
Speaker 1: actually do. As one sports writer put it, that probably
51:11
Speaker 1: should have been the giveaway. As ridiculous and funny as
51:14
Speaker 1: this story is, there was also real victims. Prosecutors say Love,
51:17
Speaker 1: along with an 18-year-old accomplice posing as a financial advisor,
51:23
Speaker 1: used his whole 49er fantasy to defraud 26 women out
51:27
Speaker 1: of roughly $ 1. 3 million. Seriously, it's real money from real
51:31
Speaker 1: people who thought they'd met a good man. I don't
51:34
Speaker 1: know how. He was arrested last week at the Boise airport.
51:37
Speaker 1: He's now charged with wire fraud. But the internet being
51:40
Speaker 1: the internet, and he's already handed down the verdict after
51:44
Speaker 1: his mugshot dropped love, trading the red and gold for
51:48
Speaker 1: an orange jumpsuit, the roasting began, and it was merciless.
51:52
Speaker 1: The Cleveland Guardians photoshopped him into their baseball uniform. The
51:55
Speaker 1: John is locked in. Pittsburgh Steeler posted an AI photo
52:00
Speaker 1: of the two of them in the locker room. Even
52:02
Speaker 1: the 49ers' own receivers coach got in on it, posting
52:06
Speaker 1: a fake shot of himself coaching the guy. EVERY TEAM
52:09
Speaker 1: IN SPORTS LINED UP TO PUT DEJON LOVE IN THEIR GEAR,
52:14
Speaker 1: WHICH IN THE END IS THE CLOSEST THIS MAN WILL
52:16
Speaker 1: EVER COME TO ACTUALLY MAKING A ROSTER. Welcome back to
52:24
Speaker 1: David Pollak Prime Time. Key, what a crazy story. This
52:29
Speaker 1: guy puts on 49ers gear, goes and runs around, does
52:33
Speaker 1: all these videos, convinces people that he's in the NFL,
52:36
Speaker 1: gets all these people to give him money, which is
52:38
Speaker 1: the craziest part. And now he's going to be potentially
52:42
Speaker 1: going to jail for wire fraud. How crazy is this story?
52:47
Speaker 2: Well, it's crazy from his end because he did it.
52:50
Speaker 2: But it's even crazier from the women's end because if
52:53
Speaker 2: he's an NFL player, why does he need your money?
52:56
Speaker 7: Yeah.
52:58
Speaker 2: That's what I need to know.
52:59
Speaker 1: That's an excellent point.
53:01
Speaker 2: So they maxed out loans, maxed out credit cards, gave
53:04
Speaker 2: this man all of their money for investments. And do
53:07
Speaker 2: you know that when they started to ask questions or
53:10
Speaker 2: when they ran out of money, he blocked them?
53:13
Speaker 8: Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 5: So that would be living.
53:16
Speaker 1: So this is like it's like the equivalent of like
53:20
Speaker 1: the Nigerian print scam NFL edition.
53:23
Speaker 2: Right.
53:23
Speaker 1: Basically, it's like, hey, I'm in the NFL. I have
53:27
Speaker 1: lots of money, but I need your money in order to,
53:30
Speaker 1: I guess, give you money. How do you fall for this?
53:34
Speaker 1: What's wrong with women? You're a woman. Tell me what
53:36
Speaker 1: is wrong with women.
53:38
Speaker 2: No, because I'm a little bit different. You can't pee
53:40
Speaker 2: on me and tell me it's raining. It's impossible. I'm
53:43
Speaker 2: going to ask a bunch of questions before I give
53:45
Speaker 2: you a dime, okay? He even had some girl in
53:50
Speaker 2: on the scam, so she would call them.
53:53
Speaker 5: They would be on a three-way.
53:54
Speaker 2: Call, Zoom call or whatever, and she would explain to
53:57
Speaker 2: them what their money was going towards and they fell
54:01
Speaker 2: for a hook, line and sinker. I just don't understand it.
54:03
Speaker 2: Number one, why would an NFL player be on.
54:06
Speaker 5: A dating app?
54:07
Speaker 2: He can walk outside and get any woman he wants literally.
54:11
Speaker 2: So he met you. I don't have the answers for it.
54:15
Speaker 5: Okay.
54:15
Speaker 2: But all I know is I want him to teach
54:17
Speaker 2: me his ways. OK, I would like to be a salesperson.
54:21
Speaker 2: And with ways like this, oh, I could sell houses
54:24
Speaker 2: and real estate from now until forever. That's what I need.
54:28
Speaker 2: I need his plan.
54:29
Speaker 1: Well, Key, I think it ends badly if you use
54:31
Speaker 1: his ways. The wire fraud thing is not going to
54:34
Speaker 1: work out too well. I don't want the illegal part.
54:36
Speaker 2: I don't want the illegal part. I just need his savvy.
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Speaker 2: I need to figure out.
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Speaker 1: What he's saying. Well, he's got hustle in him, and
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Speaker 1: that's for sure. They said that it should have been
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Speaker 1: the tell that he was carrying around his helmet with
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Speaker 1: him because he would carry his helmet around, and then
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Speaker 1: he would be on the beach here. I think it
54:53
Speaker 1: was here in San Diego. He had his helmet on
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Speaker 1: the beach. He was running around, playing football. It's basically
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Speaker 1: one of the funniest things ever.
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Speaker 2: David, I had no idea this man was carrying around
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Speaker 2: a helmet.
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Speaker 1: Tell me you're lying. No, I'm not lying. He was
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Speaker 1: carrying around a helmet. And then he would record himself
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Speaker 1: doing drills on the beach in his 49ers helmet. The
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Speaker 1: story is crazy. On a day of such heavy news,
55:16
Speaker 1: starting at the top of the show with this Lindsay
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Speaker 1: Clancy nonsense, we thought it would be fun to laugh
55:19
Speaker 1: about something. And it's not funny that there's victims. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it is not funny that there's victims. But, man, people
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Speaker 1: are crazy. That's all.
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Speaker 2: I'm what's funny is that these women are ready to
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Speaker 2: go back to the handmaid's tale. They were fighting against it.
55:32
Speaker 2: Now they're fighting to get into it. So I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I don't have answers as a woman and an American woman.
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Speaker 2: I do not claim these women.
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Speaker 1: OK, I guess this is just one of the great mysteries.
55:45
Speaker 1: And we'll have to just wonder, guys, do better. And women,
55:49
Speaker 1: you should do better, too.
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Speaker 10: Please.
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Speaker 1: Keith, thank you so much for being here as always.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, David.
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Speaker 5: It was a pleasure.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: That is our show for tonight. Make sure to join
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Speaker 1: us tomorrow. We're still going to be looking at this
56:01
Speaker 1: Lindsay Glancy case and find out what in effect is
56:03
Speaker 1: going on and what's going to happen next. We also
56:06
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56:16
Speaker 1: you tomorrow, same time, same place. And until then, stay classy, America.
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