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Star Wars in the Future · Aggressive Negotiations: A Star Wars Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Recording in progress i'm going to.
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  Speaker 2: Regret this welcome to the nerd party.
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  Speaker 3: Hi this is nick anastasio lead editor and writer on
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  Speaker 3: mall shadowlord and you're listening to aggressive negotiation.
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  Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Aggressive Negotiations. We are so excited
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  Speaker 2: to be coming with you here. We've got a great
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  Speaker 2: discussion coming up. I'm just so excited to be here. Honestly,
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  Speaker 2: I'm on the edge of my seat. And I'm with
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  Speaker 2: my good friend, my co-host, my esteemed colleague, none other
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  Speaker 2: than Jedi Master John Mills. John, you've just gotten back
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  Speaker 2: from a whirlwind vacation.
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  Speaker 3: Man, how are you feeling?
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  Speaker 4: You know, I'm feeling great. I'm feeling very refreshed because
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  Speaker 4: I went all the way over to Mon Cal. And
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  Speaker 4: I stayed in the one landmass on Mon Cal, which,
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  Speaker 4: of course, as you know, is only 10 square meters.
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  Speaker 4: So it was a very, very limited vacation, not a
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  Speaker 4: strong swimmer. So I felt like I didn't go to
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  Speaker 4: the right place. But, you know, you got to sample life.
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  Speaker 4: You got to give it a different try and everything
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  Speaker 4: like that. You know, the Quarren, very welcoming, surprisingly.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 4: Excellent. You know.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't expect that one.
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  Speaker 3: On the network. And, uh, gosh, there's just.
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  Speaker 3: We would love it.
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  Speaker 1: can't use that.
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  Speaker 4: There are even holonet ways to reach out to us
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  Speaker 4: from time to time. And in fact, Matt, we got
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  Speaker 4: some feedback from a relatively recent episode where we were
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  Speaker 4: talking about Darth Vader, a Star Wars story. And a
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  Speaker 4: listener reached out and offered that she would die on
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  Speaker 4: a hill requesting a Doctor Aphra movie. And we would
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  Speaker 4: be allowed to throw Vader in.
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  Speaker 1: She wouldn't mind.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Now, we'll double back to that one. Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Her husband said that he asks for a Jar Jar
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  Speaker 4: Binks movie. And he might have been joking, but I'm
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  Speaker 4: on board for that. You know I'm totally on board
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  Speaker 4: for a Jar Jar Binks movie. I would love to
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  Speaker 4: see Jar Jar between the trilogies. I want to know
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  Speaker 4: what happened with Jar Jar.
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  Speaker 3: That would be pretty interesting.
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  Speaker 4: And I am not satisfied with what Wendig did with
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  Speaker 4: him in the Aftermath books. I don't like it. I
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  Speaker 4: want to see him between... trilogies. I want to see
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  Speaker 4: what happened there. But she did offer 100% agree on
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  Speaker 4: a Vader movie needing to show that the struggle of
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  Speaker 4: his hate towards himself and the loss of his humanity
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  Speaker 4: was what it dealt with. So we struck a note
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  Speaker 4: with that one. But I want to come back before
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  Speaker 4: we move on to tonight's topic. Doctor Aphra movie. Do
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  Speaker 4: you think that a Doctor Aphra movie would work for
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  Speaker 4: the public in general? Or is it a more limited
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  Speaker 4: sort of thing. I think actually it might tie into
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  Speaker 4: the topic about, you know, how we choose what media
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  Speaker 4: to send these different stories out on.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. You know, I think that something like Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Afra as a comic, you know, has not had the
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  Speaker 2: strongest selling numbers in And so therefore I think to
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  Speaker 2: think about doing some sort of film with that would
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  Speaker 2: be really difficult. Now, to throw in that character on
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  Speaker 2: the side in one of the television shows that we're
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  Speaker 2: doing like in the background of The Mandalorian or something
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  Speaker 2: along that nature, you could definitely do those things. But
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  Speaker 2: I do think it would just be difficult to have
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  Speaker 2: a film devoted to a character, which– doesn't have the
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  Speaker 2: largest following. And I think, you know, when we think
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  Speaker 2: of mediums of, when we think of mediums of, you know,
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  Speaker 2: places where characters are going to shine, I'm not quite
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  Speaker 2: sure that that would be the case. And so that's really,
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  Speaker 2: from my vantage point, that's how I feel about, you know,
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  Speaker 2: just about any character. I mean, even if it's a
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  Speaker 2: character I like, you know, it's like, Are we going
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  Speaker 2: to have a film about Ben Quadraneros? Unfortunately, I don't
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  Speaker 2: think so. But I– John, I don't know. I'm really
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  Speaker 2: interested to hear your thoughts on this.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think?
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  Speaker 2: What do you think would work for a character like this?
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  Speaker 4: You know, as I think about Aphra, I agree with you.
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  Speaker 4: Aphra's appeal is limited. The people who are fans of
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  Speaker 4: Aphra love Aphra. I'm not a particular fan of Aphra.
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  Speaker 4: I read the early stages of her book. I read
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  Speaker 4: when she was introduced in the Vader stuff. It's an
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  Speaker 4: interesting character, but it's not one that really lands for
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  Speaker 4: me the same way that it does for other fans.
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  Speaker 4: But sometimes things translate to screen in a better fashion
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  Speaker 4: than they do in comics. There's a little more development time.
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  Speaker 4: There's a little more time for the character to be
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  Speaker 4: matured as it were, you know, that there's a different
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  Speaker 4: expression in the media. But I think that what it
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  Speaker 4: really makes me think of is we're sitting here, we're
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  Speaker 4: talking about the Dr. Aphra. And I really think that
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  Speaker 4: the great underwhelming side of the era of streaming entertainment.
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  Speaker 1: Is that.
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  Speaker 4: We got a flood of content that But it wasn't
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  Speaker 4: a flood in the way that we thought it would be. Like,
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  Speaker 4: when I go to Netflix, I see a lot of
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  Speaker 4: reality TV, which is exactly what killed broadcast TV. You know,
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  Speaker 4: you got the Wonka competition show. You've got all of
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  Speaker 4: these different things where it's like, there's this like reality vibe.
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  Speaker 4: Peacock has the Love Island stuff going on.
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  Speaker 1: And so.
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  Speaker 4: That's disorienting for me because I thought we were going
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  Speaker 4: to be entering this golden age of high quality content
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  Speaker 4: that would be just churned out, like the first four
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  Speaker 4: seasons of Stranger Things and The Mandalorian were going to
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  Speaker 4: dominate the landscape. And I think instead, what we're finding
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  Speaker 4: is it seems to be harder than ever for every
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  Speaker 4: franchise to strike the right chord. It's like they're a
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  Speaker 4: victim of the options that they have for what to do.
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  Speaker 4: So An Afro movie? I could see an Afro movie
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  Speaker 4: on streaming easy. But in my brain, that's because in theory,
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  Speaker 4: streaming is a faster turnaround time, but it doesn't seem
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  Speaker 4: to have worked that way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is– it's really interesting that this
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  Speaker 2: question was asked there because one of the things that
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  Speaker 2: I was thinking about today, I was having a conversation
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  Speaker 2: with one of my coworkers who I podcast with over
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  Speaker 2: on the 602 Club. And we were discussing the idea of,
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  Speaker 2: you know, TV, streaming, films, and franchises, and how all
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  Speaker 2: that works, right? And really specifically, we were talking about
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  Speaker 2: the new Lantern show for the DCU. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the fact that they are utilizing, from the start of
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  Speaker 2: their franchise film series, And television. The first things that
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  Speaker 2: came out were Superman and then Creature Commandos came out.
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  Speaker 2: And they've done Peacemaker Season 2 and then Supergirl and
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  Speaker 2: now Lanterns. So they've been going back and forth with
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  Speaker 2: different mediums to bring this franchise to life. And it
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  Speaker 2: made me start to think about Star Wars and the
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  Speaker 2: fact that obviously Star Wars began– As a film-only.
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  Speaker 3: Franchise, right?
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  Speaker 2: And then George Lucas was the one who brought us
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  Speaker 2: The Clone Wars. That was his idea. He also had
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  Speaker 2: had the idea of doing the television show, The Underworld Show.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like TV was always in his mind.
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  Speaker 4: Well, and to jump in there as well, remember we
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  Speaker 4: had the cartoon series, Droids and Ewoks, and we had
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  Speaker 4: those Ewok TV movies that were aired on ABC.
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  Speaker 1: Back in the 80s.
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  Speaker 4: Your mileage may vary with all of those sorts of things.
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  Speaker 4: But just to support your point, from the earliest possible days,
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  Speaker 4: they toyed around with television, even with the holiday special.
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  Speaker 4: Lucas was toying around with TV as an option. So
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  Speaker 4: just supporting your point on that one.
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  Speaker 2: And so I think that's the interesting thing. The question
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  Speaker 2: that I was thinking about for you, though, as we
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  Speaker 2: look forward, we know we have... more Maul coming up.
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  Speaker 2: We know we have more Ahsoka. You know, season two
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  Speaker 2: comes out next year. We know that we've got Starfighter
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  Speaker 2: that's coming out. And the rumor is, look, it's still
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  Speaker 2: a rumor, folks. Until it actually comes from Lucasfilm, we
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  Speaker 2: don't know who's directing, episode 10, if it's even really
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  Speaker 2: happening again. Until it comes from Dave Filoni's mouth, it's
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  Speaker 2: not really happening. And so my question to you is this.
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  Speaker 2: Should we have– a franchise that utilizes television still as
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  Speaker 2: much as we utilize film. Because right now, we've been
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  Speaker 2: very skewed towards television for Star Wars. So do we
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  Speaker 2: need to go back to it being a more film-based franchise?
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  Speaker 3: Or, you know, is it okay for us to be.
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  Speaker 1: Has.
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  Speaker 2: Star Wars set a template where it's, you know... We're
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  Speaker 2: all right with there being television.
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  Speaker 4: I will answer the way that maybe some people don't
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  Speaker 4: want to hear. But if you want your expanded universe
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  Speaker 4: stuff that you enjoyed with your books in the 90s
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  Speaker 4: and early 2000s, streaming is the way to go. But
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  Speaker 4: what Lucasfilm has to do is they have to relax
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  Speaker 4: just a little bit about the canon nature of things
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  Speaker 4: and how well it ties together and start approaching it
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  Speaker 4: with a Tales of approach. You know, we've had Tales
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  Speaker 4: of the Jedi, Tales of the Underworld, and Tales of
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  Speaker 4: the Empire, and they were wonderful animated series. I think
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  Speaker 4: you can do short burst, 15 minute live action stuff,
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  Speaker 4: Tales of the Bounty Hunters, Tales of whatever. And they
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  Speaker 4: don't even need to be three episode arcs. You can
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  Speaker 4: do just, there's a 15 minute Boba Fett episode.
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  Speaker 1: Here you go.
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  Speaker 2: Boom.
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  Speaker 1: There's a 15 minute, um, Imperial officer on the Death Star. Boom.
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  Speaker 1: There you go.
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  Speaker 4: You just throw these little short ones out there and
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  Speaker 4: it will occupy the space that belonged to what kept
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  Speaker 4: the fans sated between the movies. Because we had almost
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  Speaker 4: 20 years between movies.
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  Speaker 1: And we were.
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  Speaker 4: Fine with it because they threw red meat to the
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  Speaker 4: fan base and we ate it and we were happy
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  Speaker 4: with it. So I think streaming is where you please
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  Speaker 4: the hardcore fan base. And then the movies are where
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  Speaker 4: you make the play for the larger audience. So I
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  Speaker 4: think it does need to be a two-pronged approach. But
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  Speaker 4: I think they need to embrace the idea that instead
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  Speaker 4: of doing large arc Mandalorian type of things, they're doing
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  Speaker 4: short burst little shorts where they're just throwing them out there.
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  Speaker 4: And they're just throwing that short form stuff out there.
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  Speaker 4: I think that Lucas saw that coming himself. I always
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  Speaker 4: go back to the Tartakovsky Clone Wars, where it was
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  Speaker 4: three minute episodes of stuff like that. I think you
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  Speaker 4: could easily lean into that. And I think that's the
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  Speaker 4: space that streaming could dominate and Star Wars could differentiate
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  Speaker 4: itself because the hardcore fans like us, oh, look, it's
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  Speaker 4: been a month. Here's a new 30 minute one shot episode, boom, done.
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  Speaker 4: And it's just, it's a tale of something that happened
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  Speaker 4: in the cantina, right? Or we have a series where
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  Speaker 4: it's like once a month, we get something about all
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  Speaker 4: of the different guys in the cantina. Or we tell
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  Speaker 4: the story of how Genu Coin got set up over
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  Speaker 4: on Shakari or Shakari, sorry. You know what I'm saying? Like,
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  Speaker 4: I think that's the play. And then the movies become
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  Speaker 4: the big, you know, like you don't need to have
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  Speaker 4: watched any of this stuff. It is strictly, that's the
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  Speaker 4: big play stuff. That's the stuff for bringing in the
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  Speaker 4: people who aren't watching it. And you bring in the
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  Speaker 4: fans with that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: I think as I was thinking about this question and
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  Speaker 2: that I would ask you it, you know, I think
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  Speaker 2: through my brain was running just like, okay, what's worked
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  Speaker 2: and what hasn't? And I think it's very clear that
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  Speaker 2: the Mandalorian series was one that worked. It expanded the
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  Speaker 2: universe in a way that you would want, expanded the
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  Speaker 2: character palette, the things we could do. And it was
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  Speaker 2: very clear too, as you're watching the first few seasons
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  Speaker 2: of that, right, that they have a plan In the
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  Speaker 2: way in which these shows were meant to play together, right?
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  Speaker 2: And I think that the biggest question for me isn't necessarily,
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  Speaker 2: you know, should.
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  Speaker 3: It be television?
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  Speaker 2: Should it be animation? Should it be this or that
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  Speaker 2: or whatever? I think, to me, the best question for
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  Speaker 2: Star Wars is always going to be, is this show
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  Speaker 2: building the overall whole of... the franchise or is the
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  Speaker 2: movie building the overall whole of the franchise in a
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  Speaker 2: way that makes it feel, quote unquote, necessary for it
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  Speaker 2: to exist? Right. And I think that's one of the
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  Speaker 2: best questions that you can can ask. Now, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I think the hard part about that is that maybe,
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  Speaker 2: you know, that makes you a little bit too hard
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  Speaker 2: on things, because I think the question then could become,
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  Speaker 2: does the Mandalorian and Grogu really need to exist as
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  Speaker 2: a film?
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  Speaker 3: And everything.
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  Speaker 2: And you could really have to have, you know, some
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  Speaker 2: intense conversations about whether that's the case. You know, I
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  Speaker 2: think that question when you ask it towards some of
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  Speaker 2: the shows that have been made, you know, and you're like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if this really probably needed to exist.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe we should have, you know, so to me, it's
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  Speaker 2: more about, because the way, you know, Star Wars works
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  Speaker 2: is that most of even the shorts form stuff right
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  Speaker 2: like when i think of the stuff in the tales
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  Speaker 2: of series that have worked the best it feels like
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  Speaker 2: these wonderful pivotal stories for characters that we love that
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  Speaker 2: then transform the way that i watch everything else right
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  Speaker 2: you think of like the dooku stuff right or the
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  Speaker 2: ahsoka stuff or you know uh you know that's that's
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  Speaker 2: the kind of thing that that I guess, approach this
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  Speaker 2: with more so than, you know, should it be television
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  Speaker 2: or whatever? The first question to me is, what's the
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  Speaker 2: why for this?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'll throw a challenge flag on that, specifically
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  Speaker 4: because of Skeleton Crew. Skeleton Crew, by all measure, in theory,
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  Speaker 4: it ties together with the I Got High Republic stuff.
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  Speaker 4: But It didn't need to, and most people didn't read
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  Speaker 4: those books, so they didn't know.
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  Speaker 3: How that would have tied together.
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  Speaker 2: I mentioned that this, I think, creates difficult questions for us, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I think, though, that for whatever it is, I
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  Speaker 2: personally believe this to be the question that needs to
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  Speaker 2: be asked first and foremost in anything that we're going
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  Speaker 2: to make Star Wars before we just shoot our– money
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  Speaker 2: at something and hope it works.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but the thing is, I think that with the
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  Speaker 4: blue box technology that you have now, you could stand
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  Speaker 4: something up super quick and people would be fine with it.
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  Speaker 4: I think that the content monster must be fed And
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  Speaker 4: I think that the stuff like Skeleton Crew, sometimes when
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  Speaker 4: things reach too far, you get something like, forgive me
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  Speaker 4: for saying this, Kenobi, where there's a lot that I
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  Speaker 4: love about it, but it overstays its welcome is essentially
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  Speaker 4: the problem with that series.
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  Speaker 1: It overshoots the mark.
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  Speaker 4: If you go short form and you treat it like,
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  Speaker 4: The old EU stuff where it's like, you know, it's
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  Speaker 4: not vital that you know this, but you want your
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  Speaker 4: Star Wars hit.
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  Speaker 1: Here you go.
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  Speaker 4: Here's a new thing, kid. Let me throw you some
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  Speaker 4: red meat at you. That doesn't need to exist. I
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  Speaker 4: didn't need, you know, and I know I lean on
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  Speaker 4: this all the time, but like it's sort of the
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  Speaker 4: difference between something like, say, you know, the Crystal Star
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  Speaker 4: and the book by Luceno, Death Star.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Do either of those need to exist? No.
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  Speaker 4: Do either of them really extend anything? No, but they
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  Speaker 4: scratched an itch at the time.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: No, well, and I think what you're saying and what
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying, I think you can rectify that in the
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  Speaker 2: sense that that does then– if it's not something that
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  Speaker 2: necessarily needs to exist– for the overall saga, but it
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  Speaker 2: is a fun story to be told. I think that
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  Speaker 2: then that begins to answer the question, okay, where is
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  Speaker 2: it being held? Right. Are we, are we putting this
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  Speaker 2: on Disney plus, are we doing this as an animated series,
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  Speaker 2: not to denigrate.
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  Speaker 3: Animated series whatsoever. That's not what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just saying it was like, that kind of tells you,
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  Speaker 2: does it need to be a part of a tales
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  Speaker 2: of type of thing? You know, I think those are
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: the type of places where this, this helps you understand, okay,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: what the medium should be. Because I, Hardly agree. believe
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: that George Lucas was right, that Star Wars could exist
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: on television, uh, in animated form as well as on film. Um,
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: and that it all be just as valid and it
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: all just be Star Wars. Right. Uh, I think that, um,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: The biggest question has to become, though, when I think
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: of this is like, man, we I think that Star
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Wars does need to get back to being a little
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: bit more big screen focused, because I think that's where
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Star Wars to me really shines now again. I don't
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: want anybody to hear me denigrating anything that's been seen
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: on the small screen because some of my absolute favorite
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Star Wars of all time is the animated stuff, right?
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: From the Clone Wars, from the.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Bad Batch, some of the Tales of stories that we've gotten.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, Rebels, right? That last season of Rebels. It's
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: just like– so that's not what I'm saying, but I
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: do think that it would behoove Star Wars– To really
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: focus on finding its big screen footing again. And I
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: only think that that could help then the things that
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: you see on.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: The small screen as well.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: And I don't think that Star Wars necessarily has the
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: kind of problem that you get with.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Like Marvel and DC and these other things where they're
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: trying to do all of these different areas because Star
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Wars also can easily jump around time periods with different
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: things in a way that those can't. Right. Because, you know,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: they're always in the mode of like trying to tell
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: that continuous story of whatever phase they're in, you know.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Star Wars doesn't have that issue. I think that's one
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: of the benefits you have in Star Wars.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I... See, I just.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: I think that because the book.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Area is dying. I'm sorry.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: It's very true.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: It really is.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: I think that the opportunity here is there are fans
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: who want it.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: So.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: Let's move away from the reading aspect as much as
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: it kills me to say so, because I read constantly.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: I love books. I will always love books. I will
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: always read until the day I die. But let's embrace
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: the stuff of the now, which is let's throw.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, it.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: Really is a thing where I think what you need
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: to do is that the dividing line you need to
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: draw is that streaming is the era of the expanded
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: universe stuff, which my wife never read. She had no
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: idea it ever existed, but when the prequels came out,
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: she was excited. The star Wars movie came out. So
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: I think that's, that's the line that you, you, you,
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: that's the tight rope that you walk with that. So,
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: you know, that, that's what I would offer. And I
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: think that, That's a way to keep the brand fresh
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: and new. And also, look, man, it's uncomfortable to me
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: how difficult it is for every single entity to figure
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: out how to do television again.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: We used to be able to do this, guys. We
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: used to be able to do 24 episodes a year.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: Cheers.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Cheers.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: One of the funniest shows in the history of television.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Did 24 episodes a year. Knocked them out.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: Bangers.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Just nonstop.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: I think we can get back there. I think that's
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: what we got to get to in order for it
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: to work.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Well, and I agree with you there.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think, you know, look, these shows in general, especially,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: you know, have to get back to being able to
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: create them more quickly.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: And not have five years between each season. I mean,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: the fact that we've had this many years between season
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: one and two of Ahsoka is just kind of nuts. Right.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: And so, look, I hope that it's great and I'm
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: sure it will be, you know, and really what it
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: just means. I hope that the production value of it looks,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: you know, bonkers.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: But, you know, and. In some ways, I get it.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Back when we were doing Game of Thrones season six
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: and seven, each one of those episodes was legitimately the
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: same scale as a film, right? And that's not a joke.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: And so it made sense as to why those seasons
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: would take longer. But let's be honest. That's not what
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Star Wars is doing, right? They're not doing that on
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: that scale. And so I think that we just need
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: to figure out– and this is what I'd say, the
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: biggest part of this, and especially with Star Wars right now.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: I think that now that you have firm footing with
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: who's in charge– And that everything that's going to come
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: out after Starfighter and Ahsoka Season.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: 2 is.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: What Dave has in mind. I think that's just going
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: to be interesting to see what the plan is going forward.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: And I think that he probably– as much as anyone
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: could ha would have the best idea of what needs
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: to be in what medium to help it shine because
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: he's now worked in all of the mediums, right? Uh,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: he's worked, uh, on television with, uh, the Mandalorian shows, uh,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: and the rest of the shows that they've done. He's
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: worked obviously in animation and he's helped, uh, you know,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: with filming, you know, he's been behind the scenes with
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: the last Jedi. He's been behind the scenes, uh, on set, uh,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: filming things on the Mandalorian Grogu. So the man who
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: really has an understanding of, of what kind of goes
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: into all of these different mediums. And I think that'll help,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Then moving forward where we can hopefully have a good
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: plan that will actually happen and I think that's just
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: the other thing that we come down to. It's like
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: almost in Star Wars. It's not so much like what's
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: it going to be on. It's just like are we
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: going to announce things and is it going to actually happen?
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: And so hopefully we just end up with a run
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: here where that's what we start to get because I
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: think that's the other thing too is that so many of.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: These franchises– and it's not just Star Wars.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: But a lot of them have struggled with just actually
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: getting things made because they're so focused on creating franchises
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: and building them that they're not actually just thinking of
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: each movie in general. And I think that's the thing
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: where it's like, man. Maybe we just need to start
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: making sure that we actually get things made and that
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: they're good stuff so that people want to keep coming
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: back in the first place. Right.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: I go back to the people who were not big
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: on The Mandalorian and Grogu. One of the responses I
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: had to everybody was at least they announced it and
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: it happened. Yeah. So that's a huge step for the
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: Star Wars franchise in the modern era is we got
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: back to the old school, which was they announced a
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: movie and I saw it.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: Look, Ma, a movie in theaters.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Exactly. I made a poster and it actually happened.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: And I can tell you that that is an amazing thing.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: But another amazing thing is that people can reach out
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: to you, Matt, online and argue with you about where
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: they see the future of Star Wars content. So where
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: can they find you online to harass you as much
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: as I enjoy doing so?
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, you can find me online at MattRushing02. That's
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: my name all over social media. You can try and
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: harass me and think you're right, but you can't.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: Probably won't be if you're anything like John.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: You can also find me all over this network with
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: not just this show, but I've got Owl Post talking
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: about every single chapter of the Harry Potter series. And
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: over in the TFM network doing the 602 Club talking
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: about all of the.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: Franchises we love.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Plus a lot of great Star Trek talk with my
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: good friend Chris Jones. And we just finished Strange New
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: World Season 4. We're diving into 60th Anniversary Rewatch of
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: the original series.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: And all of our other rewatchers.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Are continuing with Deep Space Nine and Enterprise and Voyager.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: So check us out over there.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: But, John, maybe people have some thoughts about what types
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: of movies or shows they'd like to see like that
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: listener did.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: Where would they find you?
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: Well, gosh, you would find me as Kessel Junkie online
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: and you can also find me, you know, as Kessel Junkie.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: over on KesselJunkie.com on a blog that I maintain sporadically,
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: sometimes in fits and starts. But, you know, I have
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: fun with it. And you can find me here on
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: the network co-hosting a show with Tristan Riddell and Darren
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: Moser called House Lights. We have a lot of fun
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: with that. We finally got around to talking about one
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: of my favorite directors, John Carpenter. a guy who, as
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: much as George Lucas, probably formed my artistic tastes.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Take that how you will.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: And you can, of course, find me over on Goodreads
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: and Letterboxd, where I talk about books and movies. And
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: I love talking about books and movies, so.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: But Matt, I'm going to be honest with you that
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: right now, the thing that is most on my mind
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: is that the latest episode of John Rules the Galaxy,
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: is on Back at the Temple. So will you join me, please,
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: and close these negotiations?
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Is that a show?
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: These negotiations are closed.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: It's a show in my mind.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: Darn it.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Join the revolution.
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: Join the nerd party.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: It does.