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Credlin | 5 August · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krendland Live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the show. Steve Price sitting in
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Speaker 2: again for Peter Credlin. All this week. Debates still raging
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Speaker 2: over the last Sunday's pro Palestine march that saw an
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Speaker 2: estimated ninety thousand No one really knows people hijack one
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Speaker 2: of the world's most famous icons of Sydney Arbor Bridge.
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Speaker 2: Now experts trying to tell us that the Supreme Court
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Speaker 2: ruling allowing that march in the face of police and
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Speaker 2: state government objections will not set a precedent. I'll play
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Speaker 2: for you a little of New South Wales Premier Chris
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Speaker 2: Mins on this later, but I wouldn't bet on the
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Speaker 2: no precedent argument. Here's what's coming up tonight. First up, though,
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Speaker 2: on Credlin, Andrew Clenell, Skype Political Chief on the decision
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Speaker 2: of Australia to settle on Japan to construct our navy's
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Speaker 2: ten billion dollars worth of new frigates. So what does
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Speaker 2: that mean for our defense capability? We'll talk to Andrew
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Speaker 2: about that short plus a new mystery flight A mystery
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Speaker 2: light aircraft disappearance on Bass Strait. A man and his
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Speaker 2: wife and their dog are missing. And it's not the
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Speaker 2: first time an aircraft has mysteriously vanished.
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Speaker 1: Over that body of water.
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Speaker 2: Way back in nineteen seventy eight Fred valantiche disappeared with
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Speaker 2: some claiming interference from a UFO. We'll talk to an
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Speaker 2: aviation expert about that, and we'll look at reports teenage
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Speaker 2: crime gang members are being allowed to post on social
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Speaker 2: media accounts from inside detention centers, in the back of
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Speaker 2: police paddy wagons and even from court. Veteran ex Police
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Speaker 2: detective Homicide Squad Detective Charlie Bzina weighs in on that
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Speaker 2: and the latest on the productivity report we mentioned yesterday
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Speaker 2: looking at what the rush to one hundred percent renewables
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Speaker 2: and that zero is going to cost us all. We
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Speaker 2: have had an expert in the field pull that report
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Speaker 2: apart for us. That's coming up later. First though, a
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Speaker 2: question how many is too many? When it comes to
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Speaker 2: foreign students studying in Australia at both our universities, tape
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Speaker 2: colleges and even at our high schools, an industry often
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Speaker 2: prays for its contribution to our bottom line of an
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Speaker 2: export industry. Now, Education Minister Jason Clare announced yesterday that
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Speaker 2: he will increase the student intake in twenty twenty six
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Speaker 2: by another twenty five thousand students. So what you ask, well,
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Speaker 2: that means the nation's international student intake next year twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty six will be two hundred and ninety five thousand students,
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Speaker 2: up from a cap of two hundred and seventy thousand.
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Speaker 2: Claire says, quote, international education doesn't just make us money,
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Speaker 2: it makes us friends. This is about making sure international
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Speaker 2: education grows in a way that supports students, universities and
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Speaker 2: the national interest. Two hundred and ninety five thousand fee
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Speaker 2: paying students filling the university coffers and spending their money
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Speaker 2: mainly in Melbourne that takes in most of them, and
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Speaker 2: in Sydney, plus in Canberra. Well what can be wrong
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Speaker 2: about that? You ask? Well, rents and student accommodation. For
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Speaker 2: one thing, The minister claims the universities will build their
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Speaker 2: own accommodation. Where are they going to get the trades from?
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Speaker 2: But anyone who has spent any time near one of
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Speaker 2: these institutions will know high rise apartment blocks are full
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Speaker 2: of two bedroom apartments being shared by multiple students from overseas.
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Speaker 2: Many of these kids have their parents mainly from China,
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Speaker 2: Southeast Asian countries like Malaysia and especially India. They buy
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Speaker 2: up real estate for them to live in during their studies.
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Speaker 2: It's an investment property. Well, this place is even more
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Speaker 2: pressure on housing and apartment prices and of course makes
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Speaker 2: the rental market less affordable. Strangely, it was the opposition
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Speaker 2: that opposed a labor plan to actually cap student numbers
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Speaker 2: last year at two hundred and seventy thousand, So I
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Speaker 2: guess they will be happy with nearly three hundred thousand
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Speaker 2: student numbers to be included in any discussion we now
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Speaker 2: have about migration numbers, the ability of our cities to
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Speaker 2: absorb so many people, what it does to public transport,
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Speaker 2: to the health system, and what it.
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Speaker 1: Does to housing.
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Speaker 2: I mean, no one seems to want to have this discussion.
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Speaker 2: Apparently the solution if you live in Melbourne is to
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Speaker 2: work from home to avoid impossibly choke traffic, crowded trains
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Speaker 2: and trams. Minister Claire, in announcing the boost said this
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Speaker 2: is about to make sure international education grows in a
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Speaker 2: way that supports students, universities and the national interest. You
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Speaker 2: just wonder if the Minister has spoken to local Australian
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Speaker 2: university students crowded out of lecture theaters, denied places and
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Speaker 2: forced to endure less than perfect university education in their
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Speaker 2: own country, and the man in charge of out visa system,
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Speaker 2: Tony Burke, made this optimistic claim that student visa processing
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Speaker 2: supports genuine education outcomes, a reference of course to dodgy
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Speaker 2: ed education outfits that allow students to enroll, but who
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Speaker 2: really end up writing electric scooters around our major cities
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Speaker 2: delivering takeaway food with the dream of being allowed to
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Speaker 2: live here permanently. Now, one would think, in the middle
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Speaker 2: of a housing crisis, as our cities become more and
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Speaker 2: more crowded by the day, that some sort of someone
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Speaker 2: at the top very least pause the existing number who
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Speaker 2: would be on their way here. But I guess when
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Speaker 2: you have a revenue issue with your budget, every little
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Speaker 2: bit counts. Let's head to Camber now for tonight's political
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Speaker 2: headlines with Sky News reporter Rubenspago.
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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister will meet the Palestinian Authorities leader at
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Speaker 3: the United Nations later this year after a phone call overnight.
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Speaker 3: It was the first time the pair have spoken since
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Speaker 3: November twenty twenty three. Anthony Alberesi reiterated Australia's support for
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Speaker 3: a two state solution. The government is resistant calls to
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Speaker 3: recognize a palace Inian state.
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Speaker 4: We understand the urgency, we also understand the importance of
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Speaker 4: having impact.
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Speaker 3: Anthony Alberizi is seeking a phone call with the Israeli
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister. The Foreign Minister says Australia won't tolerate foreign interference.
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Speaker 3: In the wake of Chinese spy allegations, Federal police have
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Speaker 3: charged a woman after she allegedly gathered information about a
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Speaker 3: Buddhist group for China's government.
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Speaker 4: I regularly in my engagements with my Chinese counterparts, make
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Speaker 4: very clear that we do not tolerate foreign interference.
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Speaker 3: ASIOS director General has previously stated, the organization is watching
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Speaker 3: and they have zero tolerance for these types of activities.
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Speaker 3: New modeling is suggesting sustainable ways the government could deliver
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Speaker 3: business tax cuts. These include expanding the GST council land
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Speaker 3: rates and offshore oil and gas levies. It's in a
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Speaker 3: bit to stimulate business investment. The government is downplaying expectations
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Speaker 3: of sweeping reforms.
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Speaker 5: So far, all we've had is proposals for tax hikes.
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Speaker 5: It's a tax hike summit from Treasurer Jim Charmers.
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Speaker 3: Two weeks out from the government's economic roundtable. It's understood
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Speaker 3: around nine hundred submissions have rolled in.
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Speaker 2: Still on Canberra politics, and it's been a big day
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Speaker 2: for defensing Canberra with the announcement that Japan's Mitsubishi Heavy
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Speaker 2: Industries they've been chosen now to build the new Australian
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Speaker 2: Navy fleet of frigates after winning a tight contest I
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Speaker 2: think with Germany. It's a ten billion dollar contract, this
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Speaker 2: contract for these frigates. Here was Defense Minister Richard Miles
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Speaker 2: on the significance of this deal.
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Speaker 6: This is clearly the biggest defense industry agreement that will
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Speaker 6: ever have been struck between Japan and Australia. In fact,
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Speaker 6: that's really one of the biggest defense exports that Japan
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Speaker 6: has ever engaged in. And as I say, it is
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Speaker 6: a very significant moment in our biolatual relationship.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now, Sky's political editor Andrew Clanel, Great, see
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Speaker 2: you again, my friend. As you know, I'm a regular
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Speaker 2: visitor to Japan.
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Speaker 1: And if the.
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Speaker 2: Japanese say we're going to build something, guess what they'll
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Speaker 2: actually build it?
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Speaker 7: Andrew, well, we have been better off with their submarines,
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Speaker 7: at least in the short term.
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Speaker 1: I know they weren't nuclear submarines, but gee wiz.
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Speaker 7: I mean, there's still some questions about ORCUS, isn't there.
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Speaker 7: And one of the things about these contracts, these issues
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Speaker 7: is once governments change and they change their minds, or
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Speaker 7: once there's a hitch in acquisition, you look at another
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Speaker 7: decade before you get these things, and this feels like
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Speaker 7: it's a process that's just taken Well, it's taken too
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Speaker 7: long with this government, like they're four years in now
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Speaker 7: or three and a half. Just correct myself, and we're
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Speaker 7: finally at this. We've had to have a defense strategic review,
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Speaker 7: a separate frigate review, and now this decision. But at
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Speaker 7: least they're getting on with it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they are.
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Speaker 2: But I noticed some of the critics today were quick
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Speaker 2: to say, well, it's great when we do these deals,
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Speaker 2: particularly good that it's with Japan, because as I said,
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Speaker 2: they're reliable. But the critics say, oh, well, defense off
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Speaker 2: and gets involved and they you know, you get halfway
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Speaker 2: through building a frigate and they say, can we shift
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Speaker 2: the porthole on the left hand side to the right
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Speaker 2: hand side because it had suit us better, and suddenly
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Speaker 2: the whole process doubles in cost and.
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Speaker 7: In time to do well. We always expect the cost blowouts,
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Speaker 7: don't you. But it's looking like twenty thirty for these
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Speaker 7: to first the first three to be delivered from Japan.
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Speaker 1: Then they get.
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Speaker 7: Manufactured similar to the orchestra or in that respect though,
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Speaker 7: isn't it just don't invade us for the next five
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Speaker 7: or six years, Steve, that's the main thing. We're sort of, Yeah,
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Speaker 7: we're getting there slowly, We.
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Speaker 1: Are getting there slowly.
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Speaker 2: But the other good thing about this, Andrew, when you
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Speaker 2: think about the relationships between the countries, I mean, Australia
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Speaker 2: and Japan have had an extraordinary relationship given what unfolded
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Speaker 2: in World War Two. Since we all everyone watching us,
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Speaker 2: you me, we've all bought Japanese products, toyotas, Sonny televisions,
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Speaker 2: whatever they might be. But it cements that defense relationship
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Speaker 2: between Australia, India and Japan, and the US and China
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Speaker 2: would be looking at this going oh, well, here we
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Speaker 2: go again.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, there's no doubt that the current Prime Minister and
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Speaker 7: the previous Prime Minister Scott Morrison, and indeed Malcolm Turbulus.
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Speaker 7: Well had very close relations with Japanese leaders, and there's
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Speaker 7: a reason for that.
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Speaker 1: It is China.
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Speaker 7: It is that commonality of fear about China. And you
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Speaker 7: know there's people who said we should have JAWCAS, not
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Speaker 7: just Aucus.
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Speaker 1: And you mentioned the Quad meeting. They remember that as well.
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Speaker 7: So from that point of view, it does make sense
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Speaker 7: to team with them in the region. I know the
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Speaker 7: government says that wasn't a consideration, but I think it
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Speaker 7: makes more sense than going.
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Speaker 1: With the Germans.
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Speaker 7: Having said that, we've already canceled a German tank contracts,
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Speaker 7: so how were we going with them at the moment.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure we need tanks anymore. Look, I
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Speaker 2: watched with great interest your interview with Anaka Wells on
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Speaker 2: this social media band for children under the age of sixteen.
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Speaker 2: It's going to kick in in December. Already there's some
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Speaker 2: serious questions about whether this is actually going to work
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Speaker 2: or not. Here is a little bit of what she
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Speaker 2: said to you this afternoon earlier.
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Speaker 8: Under the law, the onus is on the platforms to
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Speaker 8: make sure that they have identified any social media accounts
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Speaker 8: that are held by under sixteens, and that on day
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Speaker 8: one those social media accounts are deactivated. They've also got
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Speaker 8: to take reasonable steps to make sure that no new
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Speaker 8: accounts are activated than anyone trying to get around the system.
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Speaker 8: They've taken reasonable steps to try and stop that from happening,
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Speaker 8: and to clean up errors as we go. Because anything
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Speaker 8: that's world leading, anything that we're trying to do, we're
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Speaker 8: trying a big swing. It's going to look a bit
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Speaker 8: messy on the way through that.
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Speaker 2: I want this to work, but I just can't see
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Speaker 2: how the kids are not going to get around it.
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Speaker 2: That they'll get someone over sixteen to open an account
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Speaker 2: and they'll just use that, won't they?
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Speaker 7: Or Am I being too cynical? No, I don't think
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Speaker 7: you are being cynical at all. I may know the
12:15
Speaker 7: you know, I don't know which metaphor to go with.
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Speaker 7: They put the cart before the horse, and you know
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Speaker 7: the horse has bolted or there's a horse involved somewhere
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Speaker 7: at Steve. But look, I don't have any doubt about that.
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Speaker 7: I think the age assurance technology isn't one hundred percent yet.
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Speaker 7: That causes its own issues because then people are going
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Speaker 7: to be identified as under sixteen when they're not.
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Speaker 1: If you use that and then.
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Speaker 7: They're going to be asked for digital idea or something
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Speaker 7: that's going to annoy people on the other side of
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Speaker 7: the equation. You know, do we really expect this to work?
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Speaker 7: Do we expect it to be implemented? What does it
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Speaker 7: mean for the socialize of people who are fourteen fifteen?
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Speaker 7: Maybe fair enough, definitely fair enough for twelve year olds,
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Speaker 7: eleven year olds, etc. And you know, I think easier
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Speaker 7: in terms of capturing the younger generation and parents being
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Speaker 7: able to say it's illegal to you sixteen, and even
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Speaker 7: Anika Wells admitted that's a big part of it. But
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Speaker 7: then at what time do the big tech firms find well,
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Speaker 7: she says, if they're systemically shown to be giving young
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Speaker 7: people accounts, And what a moment. I mean, it's going
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Speaker 7: to be a massive story over summer with you know
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Speaker 7: this day one concept of uncovered to day December tenth.
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Speaker 1: Bang.
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Speaker 7: You know, your fourteen year old accounts down, your fifteen
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Speaker 7: year old accounts down, everyone's accounts down, and then all
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Speaker 7: trying to get around.
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Speaker 1: It after that.
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Speaker 7: It's a huge moment and it's one of those parts
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Speaker 7: of public policy. I mean, we talk about defense frigates
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Speaker 7: and we talk about any number of things that go
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Speaker 7: over the heads of people.
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Speaker 1: This really affects people.
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Speaker 7: This is something the federal government is doing which is
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Speaker 7: going to affect hundreds of thousands of people, whether it's
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Speaker 7: parents or its kids. So I know it's something News Corp.
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Speaker 7: Champion because they were concerned about cyber bullying. They were concerned,
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Speaker 7: justifiably about the amount of time kids spend on their phones, etc.
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Speaker 7: There's a lot of bullying though, and those messaging apps
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Speaker 7: isn't there And this is the way that fourteen and
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Speaker 7: fifteen year olds connect. And I was remarking to Anika
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Speaker 7: Wells when she asked about my kids. Well, luckily for
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Speaker 7: my daughter from her point of view, she turned sixteen
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Speaker 7: about ten days after the band comes into effect. I'm
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Speaker 7: not sure if she'll be able to keep her streaks
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Speaker 7: as they call it, Steve.
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Speaker 1: But I just find it.
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Speaker 7: I think it's going to be really fascinating as a
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Speaker 7: first try in the world, but ultimately I don't think
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Speaker 7: it'll work. The main thing it will potentially do, which
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Speaker 7: could be helpful, is a signal to kids and their
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Speaker 7: parents that it's not okay to just be sitting on
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Speaker 7: Instagram when you're twelve years old.
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Speaker 2: Well, if that's if that message gets through alone, then
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Speaker 2: it's worth doing it. I mean, Anika Wells seems like
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Speaker 2: she's determined to make it happen. You know, it's a
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Speaker 2: long time ago that I was a teenager, but it
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Speaker 2: would have been like my parents saying, well until you're sixteen,
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Speaker 2: we're cutting the phone off and you can't speak to
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Speaker 2: anyone after school. You would not have been happy about that,
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Speaker 2: would you.
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Speaker 7: I think it's similar to that. I will note that
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Speaker 7: they can still talk on the messaging apps and so forth,
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Speaker 7: but it has seemed to me but you just can't
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Speaker 7: get on and your friends like to post pictures and
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Speaker 7: that sort of stuff, and yeah, that's right. You've had
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Speaker 7: this thing and it's taken away from you. That's why
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Speaker 7: I think it'll work better with the kids who were younger,
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Speaker 7: but I do. Yeah, it's been in place since about
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Speaker 7: two thousand and eight social media in Australia and widely
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Speaker 7: you so it's a long time in there trying to
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Speaker 7: do this.
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Speaker 1: And I wonder if down the track, you know.
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Speaker 7: People will have a firm view now there for it,
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Speaker 7: will they decide down the track if it interferes with
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Speaker 7: their accounts because these online companies are saying, well, you're
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Speaker 7: under sixteen when they're not. If people will change their
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Speaker 7: view on it, I think it's a really fascinating kind
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Speaker 7: of experiment that the government's involving themselves in.
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Speaker 2: Here we'll see how it unfold. It's great to catch up, Andrew.
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Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, Thanks Steve.
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Speaker 9: Change your tech.
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Speaker 2: Now to some news out of Victoria and the front
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Speaker 2: page of today's herold Son unbelievably shows that teenage defenders
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Speaker 2: are openly posting images. You see some of them here,
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Speaker 2: videos from youth jails, courtrooms and even from inside police
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Speaker 2: vans on social media. Now they're boasting about their crimes
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Speaker 2: and the rests. I mean, this is part of the problem.
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Speaker 2: Social media drives a lot of this crime. Now, the
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Speaker 2: Allen government's proposed post and post laws are under fire
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Speaker 2: from the opposition, who's so well the measures don't go
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Speaker 2: far enough to deter youth crime or protect victims. Here
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Speaker 2: to give us his take on this is the former
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Speaker 2: Homicide Squad Detective Charlie Bezina. Welcome post and boast. Can
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Speaker 2: that work?
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Speaker 10: This is all window dressing stuff, you know, while I
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Speaker 10: was two years imprisonment. Now Queensland introduced it in twenty four.
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Speaker 10: New South did it in twenty four and they've got
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Speaker 10: a two year monitory monitor to look at it and
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Speaker 10: see if it achieves nothing. What's the point of loading
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Speaker 10: up offenses on these kids, these pea brain kids have
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Speaker 10: no effect whatsoever. And secondly, what are they doing still
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Speaker 10: in possession of these fones.
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Speaker 2: Why if you pick someone up off the street and
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Speaker 2: the allegation is that they've stolen the car, don't you
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Speaker 2: the first thing you do is strip them off their phone.
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Speaker 10: And everything else because even phones carry weapons. You know,
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Speaker 10: they've been weaponars. So here they are in courts with
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Speaker 10: the phone, in the back of a event, taking phones
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Speaker 10: with phones? Now what are the police doing? And that
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Speaker 10: might be a small minority of doing it, but at
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Speaker 10: the end of the day, it's absolutely no no. You
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Speaker 10: take away anything that's in their pockets because it can
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Speaker 10: be used as a weapon.
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Speaker 2: Well, a boasting part of this is what the doing.
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Speaker 2: It's what turns these kids on. They creep into people's
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Speaker 2: houses and steel cars because they want the police helicopter
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Speaker 2: to chase them, and the police to chase them, then
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Speaker 2: they can film it, put it on TikTok and make
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Speaker 2: themselves heroes.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I understand, and being in the media. It's compounded
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Speaker 10: by the media anyway. Also, even though they're got an
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Speaker 10: exemption when they got these footage, and that's where they
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Speaker 10: get their rocks off when they download that footage and say, hey,
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Speaker 10: look at this. So to lad them up, where the
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Speaker 10: impact is, thieve, it's got to be in the courts.
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Speaker 10: That's where it's got to be because if you're lad
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Speaker 10: up with another charge, the magistrates and the judges will say, oh, well,
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Speaker 10: I'll take it into consideration, and some nonsense having maximum sentences.
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Speaker 2: How do you get a phone into a court room?
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Speaker 10: Well, obviously smuggle it in like everybody else, I suppose,
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Speaker 10: But how do you get it if you're in custody
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Speaker 10: prior to going to court. When we do have the
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Speaker 10: ones that don't get bail, so do they when the
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Speaker 10: people said, oh, they're smuggled in. So there's a problem
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Speaker 10: that it's the gatekeepers that need to be looked at.
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Speaker 2: Seems governments around the country is struggling to come to
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Speaker 2: grips with what to do about teenage youth crime crisis. Now,
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Speaker 2: I spoke on there last week about this idea that
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Speaker 2: the Victorian government has set up a machete They brought
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Speaker 2: him new machete laws. It's going to be illegal shortly
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Speaker 2: to carry one. I don't know why it's not already,
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Speaker 2: but they want to set up binds outside police stations
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Speaker 2: where people can voluntarily hand in their machetes. Have you
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Speaker 2: ever heard of anything so ridiculous in all your life?
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Speaker 10: You know, and at all. We'll get the firearms amnesty
19:29
Speaker 10: that they can handle firearms in that's one thing, But
19:31
Speaker 10: they get a fifteen year old or something, And as
19:33
Speaker 10: I said in previous media, it also creates now a defense.
19:37
Speaker 10: So we've got a couple of kids heading to a
19:39
Speaker 10: shopping center to engage with another gang, for example, they
19:43
Speaker 10: get intercepted by the police. Oh hang on, I'm just
19:45
Speaker 10: getting for a drink, but I'm heading to the police stations,
19:47
Speaker 10: handed in straight out the fence. So it's created a
19:50
Speaker 10: problem and that they'll have a stats on it how
19:54
Speaker 10: many macedes were and it will be zero. Yeah.
19:58
Speaker 2: Look, I mean they've got CCT big cameras on the beds.
20:01
Speaker 2: So this fourteen year old kid who's stolen five cars
20:05
Speaker 2: in the last month, his mother says, we're going down
20:07
Speaker 2: to the police station I know you've got a machete
20:10
Speaker 2: under your bed. We're going to hand it in. The
20:11
Speaker 2: kid goes, but if the police seemer face, they're going
20:15
Speaker 2: to run out and grab me.
20:16
Speaker 10: They won't grab you the bee. They'll be told the
20:18
Speaker 10: police one. It's like it's like the injecting rooms. There'll
20:21
Speaker 10: be an area around that doing it. But all we're
20:24
Speaker 10: going to get is the is the good citizen that
20:28
Speaker 10: might have one and his shed, that's had it for
20:29
Speaker 10: a while, cutting roots, whatever the case may be. You
20:31
Speaker 10: know what, I'll just hand that in. That's who you're
20:33
Speaker 10: going to get. And that's what it gets the good citizens.
20:36
Speaker 10: It doesn't get the criminal. The criminals are worried about
20:39
Speaker 10: handing it in and saying, oh, well, in case they
20:41
Speaker 10: get caught and two whatever the forty seven thousand dollars
20:45
Speaker 10: fine or something you reckon. The kids are worried about that.
20:47
Speaker 10: Of course they're not well.
20:48
Speaker 2: Even after Port Arthur, the shooters would make the argument
20:52
Speaker 2: to me when I was on radio that well, it's
20:54
Speaker 2: good to have a gun amnesty, but all you're getting
20:57
Speaker 2: is worn out old shotguns and guns that people think
21:01
Speaker 2: they don't want in their shed anymore. Did the crims
21:03
Speaker 2: hand in their litter evolvers or they're sawn off shotguns
21:07
Speaker 2: or whatever they were using to do bank hold ups
21:09
Speaker 2: back in the day.
21:10
Speaker 10: It's a lucrative black market for pistols and sawn off
21:14
Speaker 10: shotguns and the likes. So you're getting your heirlooms. Have
21:16
Speaker 10: been an airloom handed down by Uncle Fred, we've got
21:19
Speaker 10: handed in and I don't want it and stuff like that.
21:21
Speaker 10: Saves are going into the local river and that type
21:23
Speaker 10: of thing. So it's good in that respect.
21:25
Speaker 2: Will the machete laws work, not the handing in it
21:28
Speaker 2: the bins, but this idea that you can't go to
21:30
Speaker 2: a hardware shop and buy one and you're not allowed
21:32
Speaker 2: to carry one.
21:33
Speaker 10: Yeah, but how do we Then we've got the social
21:35
Speaker 10: when they're ordering on a load and online, and that's
21:37
Speaker 10: the other issue. Put where I find you want, they're
21:40
Speaker 10: still going to order them online and then even make
21:43
Speaker 10: the makeshift ones and it goes on from there. So
21:45
Speaker 10: at the end of the day, it's again window dressing
21:48
Speaker 10: at this government doesn't good at it. So window dressing
21:51
Speaker 10: with the machete laws, window dressing, handing in machetes and
21:53
Speaker 10: window dressing now post and boast. So when they come
21:56
Speaker 10: to the next election, I'll say this is what we've done.
21:59
Speaker 10: But they're dragging chain. But the impact on that keeps
22:02
Speaker 10: saying it. The IMPACT's got to come from the courts.
22:04
Speaker 10: That's where you start. That's the sting and the tail,
22:06
Speaker 10: not loading him up with charges.
22:08
Speaker 2: We need to fill up youth detention centers with people
22:10
Speaker 2: who have committed crimes?
22:11
Speaker 10: Correct do they how much crime do they commit to
22:13
Speaker 10: against the public when they're in locked up? Zero?
22:15
Speaker 2: And you know why that won't happen because of the
22:18
Speaker 2: particular labor party that's running the state of Victoria at
22:22
Speaker 2: the moment has been convinced itself that putting young people
22:27
Speaker 2: into incarceration is the wrong thing to do.
22:30
Speaker 10: Well, it is in respect to the hangers on, but
22:33
Speaker 10: the recivitous ones, the ones that are hardcore, you're just
22:36
Speaker 10: going to lock them up and then help the ones
22:38
Speaker 10: that are hanging on and say, you know what, you've
22:40
Speaker 10: gone with the bad crowd. We will assist you. But
22:42
Speaker 10: there's a two to three hundred remains there and all
22:45
Speaker 10: we can do is copper is the say, oh wait
22:47
Speaker 10: till your turn, aden, and that's all they can do.
22:50
Speaker 2: I am going to talk tomorrow to a young fellow
22:53
Speaker 2: who lost his hand in the tack outside of shopping center.
22:57
Speaker 2: And I'm told he's in a really bad way.
23:00
Speaker 10: And he said, the guy's out on bail. He said,
23:02
Speaker 10: he's out on bail. I'm still stuck in hospital and
23:04
Speaker 10: I'll never recover.
23:05
Speaker 2: Charlie Bizina, thanks very much, comings, I appreciate it very much.
23:08
Speaker 2: Now coming up after the break, prominent business leaders raise
23:12
Speaker 2: concerns with Labour's plans to tax unrealized capital gains.
23:16
Speaker 1: We know about that.
23:17
Speaker 2: Plus an aviation expert on search for a missing plane
23:20
Speaker 2: which disappeared over bass Strait. Welcome back, Steve Price in
23:28
Speaker 2: for Peter Kredler. Remind Andrew Botz back at the top
23:31
Speaker 2: of the hour, I'll get onto that mysterious bass Straight
23:35
Speaker 2: light plane crash. Shortly a husband, wife and their pet
23:39
Speaker 2: dog disappeared off the radar. We took to Barron Bailey
23:42
Speaker 2: about that shortly. The superannuation tax, the controversial super tax.
23:47
Speaker 2: Now we've talked a lot about this and it's back
23:49
Speaker 2: in the news again today. This is around funds with
23:52
Speaker 2: more than three million dollars in them, still causing great
23:55
Speaker 2: alarm right around the country. The biggest problems not the
23:58
Speaker 2: doubling of the tax on return earns from the fund
24:01
Speaker 2: on anything over three million from fifteen to thirty percent.
24:04
Speaker 2: I mean, people are not happy about that, but the
24:06
Speaker 2: idea that you can be forced to pay tax on
24:09
Speaker 2: something you've not sold.
24:11
Speaker 1: Now.
24:11
Speaker 2: Prominent business leaders including Lindsay Fox and lesser known transport
24:16
Speaker 2: company owners Kim Lindsay and Neil Mansell, they've taken a
24:20
Speaker 2: swing at Jim Charmers today saying they hit on unrealized
24:23
Speaker 2: capital gains within superannuation accounts will drive Australians to restructure
24:28
Speaker 2: their retirement savings or liquidate their assets early. Of course,
24:32
Speaker 2: that's what's going to happen today. The Opposition's Tim Wilson
24:35
Speaker 2: hit out at the upcoming Charmers roundtable. He called it
24:38
Speaker 2: a tax summit and union dominated.
24:42
Speaker 5: So far, all we've had is proposals for tax hikes.
24:45
Speaker 5: It's a tax hike summit from Treasurer Jim Charmers. Initially
24:51
Speaker 5: it was a productivity one, it's now ended up being
24:53
Speaker 5: a tax hikes summit. The unions are very clearly outlined
24:56
Speaker 5: their agenda.
24:59
Speaker 1: Here to take us through.
25:00
Speaker 2: Economist David Pearl David good to catch up with you
25:03
Speaker 2: again the government is standing its ground on this unrealized
25:07
Speaker 2: benefits tax, but they seem to be sort of, you know,
25:11
Speaker 2: almost thinking they might have to drop that part of it.
25:15
Speaker 11: Will they thanks having me on, Steve, I think they might.
25:21
Speaker 11: It's significant that the government hasn't scheduled introduction to Parliament
25:28
Speaker 11: yet and as I've said on your program before, I
25:30
Speaker 11: don't think Anthony Albanezi's sold on this. So we could
25:35
Speaker 11: yet see a withdrawal of this tax proposal, which I
25:38
Speaker 11: do think would be devastating blow to Jim Chalmer's credibility.
25:44
Speaker 2: Well, we saw on the page one of the Australian today.
25:46
Speaker 2: I mean Lindsay Fox is a big name around Australia.
25:49
Speaker 2: The other two transport operators are big but not as
25:53
Speaker 2: well known. But they're right that people will simply go
25:56
Speaker 2: to their financial advisors, and anyone with three million dollars
26:00
Speaker 2: in a self managed super fund, as you know David,
26:03
Speaker 2: would have a financial advisor they trust and restructure what
26:07
Speaker 2: they're doing.
26:10
Speaker 10: They will.
26:11
Speaker 11: And this is the problem with capital taxation that if
26:14
Speaker 11: you apply capital tax to a very thin base, which
26:18
Speaker 11: is what the government's doing with this paper profits tax,
26:22
Speaker 11: there's enormous scope for people to restructure their affairs. After all,
26:25
Speaker 11: if you invest in your own home that you occupy,
26:28
Speaker 11: your don't pay any capital gains.
26:33
Speaker 2: So you know what happens if the critics are right
26:36
Speaker 2: and widespread assets sell offs or fund restructuring happens. I
26:39
Speaker 2: mean the amount of money that is going to be
26:42
Speaker 2: taken in. And the excuse for this is the budget's
26:45
Speaker 2: in bad shape and we need to increase the tax revenue. Well,
26:49
Speaker 2: it's going to be minuscule the amount of money, isn't it.
26:54
Speaker 11: Well, even if there's look, there will be restructuring. Steve,
26:57
Speaker 11: you're right, But even if treasury totally unrealistic assumption is
27:02
Speaker 11: complied with, it's only set to raise forty billion over
27:05
Speaker 11: ten years. I know that sounds like a lot of money,
27:08
Speaker 11: but this financial year the Commonwealth will spend three quarters
27:12
Speaker 11: of a trillion dollars, so it's a drop in the ocean.
27:15
Speaker 11: As I've said before, I think the game plan behind
27:18
Speaker 11: this tax is to establish a beachhead or a precedent
27:22
Speaker 11: so that once it's legislator Jim Chalmers can say, well,
27:25
Speaker 11: let's look at people with share investments over a million
27:29
Speaker 11: dollars or investments in residential property over a million or
27:33
Speaker 11: two million dollars. They're well off, aren't they. They could
27:36
Speaker 11: pay pay per profits tax as well. I think it's
27:38
Speaker 11: really a beachhead. It's not about fixing the deficit. The
27:43
Speaker 11: main mechanism to fix the deficit, as you know, is
27:45
Speaker 11: bracket creep that we all pay every year.
27:50
Speaker 2: So I mean you worked as an assistant secretary and Treasury.
27:54
Speaker 2: I mean there's obviously someone or a group within Treasury
28:00
Speaker 2: I suspect have decided to do exactly what you just said,
28:05
Speaker 2: to use it as a way in to this for
28:09
Speaker 2: form of taxation, and they've probably done numbers which we
28:13
Speaker 2: may never see, on how it would spread out and
28:16
Speaker 2: how much it would add to the bottom line of
28:18
Speaker 2: Jim Chalmer's budget.
28:19
Speaker 11: So what you suspect, Well, the old school Treasury that
28:24
Speaker 11: I joined twenty twenty five years ago was not addicted
28:28
Speaker 11: to tax Unfortunately, Treasury has now become an offshoot of
28:32
Speaker 11: the Australian Taxation Office and it's also full of people
28:36
Speaker 11: who are riching to raise taxes on investors. In fact,
28:41
Speaker 11: Jenny Wilkins in the Treasury Secretary will no doubt be
28:43
Speaker 11: making that case when she speaks at the Reform summit
28:47
Speaker 11: next week. So yes, there would be people in Treasury
28:49
Speaker 11: who believe that we should be taxing investors far more
28:53
Speaker 11: than we are. Treasury puts out a tax expensure statement
28:57
Speaker 11: every year which has no credibility whatsoever, but purports to
29:01
Speaker 11: make that point, and that's always seized upon by the
29:03
Speaker 11: class warriors and the Labor Party in the Gratin Institute.
29:08
Speaker 2: Do you agree then with Tim Wilson that this is
29:10
Speaker 2: going to turn into a tax summit, this round table.
29:14
Speaker 11: Well, as soon as the round table was announced, let's
29:17
Speaker 11: go back to Anthony Alberzi, he said this was a
29:20
Speaker 11: productivity round table. Jim Charmers days later reframed it as
29:26
Speaker 11: one on budget sustainability, and Steve and you and your
29:29
Speaker 11: listeners know budget sustainability is Canberra speak for higher taxes
29:33
Speaker 11: on working people. I don't think Ted O'Brien, the opposition
29:38
Speaker 11: Treasury Spokesmerson, should be at this summit. It's a trap
29:42
Speaker 11: for him. He either goes along with a consensus to
29:44
Speaker 11: raise taxes on middle class people or he stands aside
29:47
Speaker 11: from it. And Jim Chalmers and Anthony Alberizi can accuse
29:50
Speaker 11: the opposition of being obstructive. In fact, I have another proposal,
29:54
Speaker 11: and that is that this event be televised so that
29:57
Speaker 11: average Australian taxpayers can when the invited speakers are offering
30:03
Speaker 11: up their hard earned cash for budget savings. I think
30:07
Speaker 11: that would be a wonderful transparency exercise and I would
30:10
Speaker 11: really flush out the agenda in this summer.
30:15
Speaker 2: My bosses at Sky News love you, David. They would
30:17
Speaker 2: love to be able to get a camera in there,
30:19
Speaker 2: don't you worry, And I'll tell you what it raded socks.
30:22
Speaker 11: Off, absolutely, I think so. I'm no expert on TV,
30:27
Speaker 11: but I suspect it would.
30:30
Speaker 2: Well, you're an expert on economics. David Pearlow is good
30:32
Speaker 2: to catch up with you. Thank you very much. I
30:34
Speaker 2: mentioned this search continuing in bass Strait for a husband
30:37
Speaker 2: and a wife along with their pet dog. They've disappeared.
30:40
Speaker 2: They run a light plane flight that was from Tasmania
30:43
Speaker 2: to a small town in New South Wales now TASMANI
30:46
Speaker 2: Police have now identified the couple, with the permission of
30:50
Speaker 2: their family, as Gregory Vaughan, who's aged seventy two, and
30:54
Speaker 2: his partner Kim Warner, aged sixty six. The couple failed
30:58
Speaker 2: to make required tech with authorities during the flight. Let's
31:02
Speaker 2: catch up with aviation expert Captain Byron Bailey. Good to
31:06
Speaker 2: see you again, Byron. Despite being new to the aircraft,
31:10
Speaker 2: this pilot did not activate the plane's emergency beacon and
31:15
Speaker 2: search efforts are ongoing with no confirmation, no sightings. Bas
31:19
Speaker 2: strait's a big bit of water. What do you think's
31:22
Speaker 2: probably happened to here?
31:24
Speaker 9: Well, I'm bit confused.
31:26
Speaker 12: You mentioned that Melbourne had him on radar, but I
31:30
Speaker 12: would have thought a light aircraft like this probably wouldn't
31:33
Speaker 12: have had a transponder, so I don't know Melbourne would
31:37
Speaker 12: have had him on radar. You're supposed to make a
31:40
Speaker 12: departure call from any airfelt within five miles when you
31:43
Speaker 12: first apart, and this gentleman apparently was quite experienced. He
31:49
Speaker 12: would have known legally you can't go more than fifty
31:52
Speaker 12: miles from an airfield without a flight plan, so you
31:55
Speaker 12: would have had a flight plan to go across Bass straight.
31:58
Speaker 12: He would have made a departure call within a couple
32:02
Speaker 12: of minutes of getting airborne, but he never made that call.
32:05
Speaker 12: I was flying down south today and I asked Melbourne
32:09
Speaker 12: air Traffic Control, can you make radio contact with Melbourne
32:13
Speaker 12: on the ground devnport and they said yes you can,
32:16
Speaker 12: which probably means Georgetown, where this aircraft took off from,
32:21
Speaker 12: would be able to make radio contract contact before they
32:25
Speaker 12: get airborne. But even so they should call within a
32:28
Speaker 12: couple of minutes of getting airborne and make their departure
32:31
Speaker 12: call and then they make en route position reports. I'm
32:35
Speaker 12: just sort of very sad about this. But why would
32:38
Speaker 12: you fly a single engine aeroplane across Bass Straight in winter?
32:44
Speaker 12: It's something I wouldn't do, And.
32:48
Speaker 1: There's a picture had to do that you wouldn't do it.
32:51
Speaker 12: Not in a single engine aeroplane. No, But that's a
32:55
Speaker 12: nice looking aeroplane. It looks like a beautiful home built.
32:58
Speaker 12: There's probably quite a high performs. But if he's only
33:01
Speaker 12: had the airplane three months, we don't know how often
33:04
Speaker 12: he's flown that particular aeroplane.
33:06
Speaker 9: So yeah, there's an awful lot of questions.
33:09
Speaker 12: But if if you say they possibly had a primary
33:14
Speaker 12: radio contact or even a secondary if he did have
33:17
Speaker 12: a transponder, they would have a fairly good idea of
33:20
Speaker 12: where he last disappeared. So they've been searching all the
33:24
Speaker 12: way across Baths Straight, and I don't think he got
33:27
Speaker 12: very far at all, so very sad. And the water
33:32
Speaker 12: temperature down there and the sea state it's not looking
33:36
Speaker 12: very good at all.
33:39
Speaker 2: So flight tracking communication system they are mandatory for all
33:43
Speaker 2: private aircraft, aren't they if they're flying over open water.
33:46
Speaker 9: They are.
33:46
Speaker 12: But it also depends upon the sophistication the airplane. I mean,
33:52
Speaker 12: you know, instom flying aircraft, eye airplight equipped aircraft. They
33:59
Speaker 12: have all the mod cons like airliners do, where they
34:03
Speaker 12: have transponders and radar and.
34:04
Speaker 9: All this stuff.
34:05
Speaker 12: But the very light aircraft and this looks like a
34:08
Speaker 12: home built they can have very minimum equipment and they're
34:13
Speaker 12: not really designed for long cross countries. You know, it's
34:18
Speaker 12: mo a fun aeroplane. There's a lot we don't know,
34:22
Speaker 12: but I would say it's very sad they didn't have
34:25
Speaker 12: a dinghy. And also the only thing they had was
34:30
Speaker 12: an personal locator beacon which you have to switch on anyway,
34:35
Speaker 12: So who knows could have been engine failure. Although enginees
34:40
Speaker 12: very reliable these days, and Gentlemen was in his seventies.
34:44
Speaker 12: It's very difficult to actually give a serious opinion other
34:48
Speaker 12: than the fact that it's very sad.
34:52
Speaker 1: Just for you go.
34:53
Speaker 2: I talked to you last after that Air India crash,
34:56
Speaker 2: investigators still working to determine the cause. I think there's
34:59
Speaker 2: been a lot of speculation around what might have happened.
35:03
Speaker 2: Will we get a final idea from here? Ind you're
35:06
Speaker 2: about exactly what caused that crash?
35:09
Speaker 9: Not for a long time.
35:10
Speaker 12: This report that they put out had a few details
35:15
Speaker 12: that were correct, like the the takeoff speed and everything else.
35:19
Speaker 12: But to say that three seconds after lift off the
35:23
Speaker 12: fuel switches transition to off, what excuse me? The mechanically
35:28
Speaker 12: locked in position. It's got a three pilot action to
35:33
Speaker 12: lift it up, move it over gate, and to off.
35:36
Speaker 12: It had to have been turned off by pilots. And
35:40
Speaker 12: since the co pilot's busy flying the airplane two hands
35:44
Speaker 12: on the yoke, he wouldn't have three seconds after lift
35:47
Speaker 12: off where you're so widely busy, he wouldn't have looked
35:49
Speaker 12: down and got number one injured off number two.
35:53
Speaker 9: It was the perfect time.
35:54
Speaker 12: At three seconds where you wouldn't be able to thrip
35:57
Speaker 12: back on the runway without going off the end and crashing.
36:02
Speaker 12: Or you know, if you waited fifteen seconds before you
36:06
Speaker 12: did it, you might get engine one small up enough
36:10
Speaker 12: that he could have climbed away, So a lot of
36:13
Speaker 12: me and my colleagues we think it's a deliberate pilot action.
36:18
Speaker 9: And he at the end.
36:20
Speaker 12: So we don't really know what they said because the
36:24
Speaker 12: report is just saying, you know, one pilot said this
36:27
Speaker 12: the other.
36:28
Speaker 9: But now I think that's not the case.
36:30
Speaker 12: I think the co pilot probably yelled at the captain
36:34
Speaker 12: after eight seconds when.
36:35
Speaker 9: He saw what was going on and Jines falling down.
36:38
Speaker 9: Why did you do that? That's my.
36:41
Speaker 12: Feeling, and the captain to cover up the fact, said
36:44
Speaker 12: I didn't do that and turn the switches on, but
36:47
Speaker 12: that was too late. And why pilots when they commit
36:51
Speaker 12: suicide like he made three seventy if it's proved suicide,
36:56
Speaker 12: the family doesn't get the payout. When I was with
36:59
Speaker 12: Emirates to a triple seven captain in a crash, my
37:03
Speaker 12: family got a million dollars. You were straight off. But
37:05
Speaker 12: if I committed suicide, they would have got nothing. So
37:09
Speaker 12: there's a motive behind trying to hide the fact. And
37:13
Speaker 12: one other thing, Can I mention the shambles that was
37:16
Speaker 12: air traffic control this morning in Sydney?
37:20
Speaker 1: Yeah?
37:21
Speaker 12: Sure, yeah, I was sort of trying to take off
37:24
Speaker 12: at a private aeroplane with the rich owner out of Bankstown,
37:28
Speaker 12: and we ended up with eight aircraft in front of
37:30
Speaker 12: us and half a dozen behind us, and sitting on
37:34
Speaker 12: the ground at the holding point waiting for an hour.
37:36
Speaker 12: All the time Sydney has got airliners coming in holding
37:41
Speaker 12: for nineteen minutes in diverting to Brisbane or Melbourne. You
37:45
Speaker 12: imagine being a pastor coming all the way from Dubai
37:49
Speaker 12: in an a three eighty fifteen hours, holding for an hour.
37:53
Speaker 9: Captain says, can't land, and.
37:55
Speaker 12: Off we go to Brisbane. Why have not Sydney got
37:59
Speaker 12: what Melbourne and Perth and all the major airports overworld.
38:05
Speaker 12: Three instrument landing system which means you can land in fold.
38:09
Speaker 12: It requires zero feeds, zero visibility for the aeroplane to
38:13
Speaker 12: land itself. We've all done it. It's very easy. But
38:16
Speaker 12: Sydney is such a back border and it causes a
38:20
Speaker 12: massive confusion and cost.
38:22
Speaker 9: A very good point you make.
38:25
Speaker 2: It's a very good point you make. Captain Baliol is
38:28
Speaker 2: good to talk to you, Thank you very much. Now
38:30
Speaker 2: coming up after the break, we'll dig into the details
38:32
Speaker 2: of that Productivity Commission report on Energy Transition plus New
38:36
Speaker 2: South Wales reviews the legal implications of that Sydney harbor
38:40
Speaker 2: Bridge protest.
38:46
Speaker 10: Welcome back Toleeve Price with you.
38:47
Speaker 2: We'll have another look at that Productivity Commission report we
38:49
Speaker 2: mentioned last night into energy transition. It makes all sorts
38:53
Speaker 2: of claims about renewables being the cheapest source. But what
38:57
Speaker 2: exactly is buried in this report, I mean need to
39:00
Speaker 2: get into the detail now. Most tellingly, the report concedes
39:03
Speaker 2: Australia faces quote significant climate related risks. Yeah, well tell
39:09
Speaker 2: us something we didn't actually know here to pull it apart.
39:12
Speaker 2: Joining us tonight from Paris research fellow at the Institute
39:15
Speaker 2: of Public Affairs, Keen Hussey. Great to see you, Kean.
39:20
Speaker 2: You're the master at tearing these things apart. You've had
39:23
Speaker 2: twenty four hours to look at it. What'd you find?
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Speaker 13: Yeah, thanks for having me, Steve. I think that line
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Speaker 13: that you just referred to the PC has conceded Australia
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Speaker 13: faces significant climate related risks regardless of future emissions reductions.
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Speaker 13: What they're saying there is that it doesn't matter if
39:42
Speaker 13: Australia's emissions go up, down, or sideways. It won't have
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Speaker 13: any impact on any of the climate change that we're
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Speaker 13: told is going on. So any rational analyst would read
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Speaker 13: that sentence and then throw out the rest of the
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Speaker 13: report and say, why should Australians be spending billions of
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Speaker 13: Australians have never really given their consent to this, They've
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Speaker 13: never actually provided government with a mandate on net zero,
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Speaker 13: seeing as it's bipartisan consensus. Why should we be spending
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Speaker 13: all this money? Why should we be throwing our living
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Speaker 13: standards down the drain? Why should we be destroying our industry,
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Speaker 13: destroying our manufacturing capability? Why should we be arming not
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Speaker 13: only our self reliance, our economic self reliance, but also
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Speaker 13: our national security in pursuit of and at zero target
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Speaker 13: that isn't going to have any impact on the weather.
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Speaker 13: The PC has conceded that. So I think that that's
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Speaker 13: the most important sentence that's found in this report, and
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Speaker 13: everything else thereafter is kind of confusing. Why the Productivity
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Speaker 13: Commission is essentially saying, how can we most efficiently do
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Speaker 13: something that we shouldn't be doing?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I can't understand how, you know, politically, the
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Speaker 2: crispones of this world think the report is some endorsement
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Speaker 2: or what they're doing. And when the other line that
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Speaker 2: worried me in it and I've only skim read it,
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Speaker 2: not like you. The line about heavy handed government intervention
41:05
Speaker 2: is going to have to happen to force the uptake
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Speaker 2: of renewables, Well, what that means is that, you know,
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Speaker 2: more government money, more taxpayers money, more subsidies, all of
41:16
Speaker 2: the money that we're already tossing in, there's going to
41:19
Speaker 2: have to be more money thrown in their care.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, that's exactly right, and we know this. The experience
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Speaker 13: all around the world has shown this so clearly. It
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Speaker 13: only net zero can only be striven towards. I'm not
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Speaker 13: sure it can actually be achieved, but these emissions reductions
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Speaker 13: can only be achieved really by heavy handed government intervention.
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Speaker 13: That can only be achieved by using subsidies, by subsidies
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Speaker 13: for renewable energy and then banning outright banning the use
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Speaker 13: of fossil fuels. There's a lot of talk about this,
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Speaker 13: and obviously in that zero has been has been the
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Speaker 13: big policy issue around the world, particularly over the last
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Speaker 13: five or six. But if you look at if you
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Speaker 13: look at what's going on in the real world, you
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Speaker 13: look at the data, there is no energy transition. We're
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Speaker 13: still in Australia in particular, we're still reliant on fossil
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Speaker 13: fuels for ninety percent of our energy consumption. So for
42:12
Speaker 13: each unit of solar and wind energy that we consume,
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Speaker 13: we use twenty units of fossil fuel energy that's oil
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Speaker 13: and oil, gas and coal. So this transition just isn't happening.
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Speaker 13: And it doesn't matter what Chris Bohen or anyone else says.
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Speaker 13: The reality is this is an incredibly expensive job destroying prosperity,
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Speaker 13: harming and productivity, inhibiting virtue signal.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Ken, you're of course in France, which is
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Speaker 2: powered by nuclear energy. Good on you, mate, Thanks for
42:46
Speaker 2: jumping online for us. We'll talk again soon. We'll keep
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Speaker 2: an eye on that report now after the break. Concerns
42:51
Speaker 2: we may see copycat podcast protests, I should say, following
42:55
Speaker 2: the massive pro Palestinian marches over the Sydney Harbor Bridge
42:59
Speaker 2: plus the other government's work from home plan actually drive
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Speaker 2: businesses out of the state, you bet it will. Welcome back,
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Speaker 2: Panel Time One Nation National executive member Lee Hanson joins
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Speaker 2: us and author at the Spectator Peter Credit and regular
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Speaker 2: Terry Barnes.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to you both.
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Speaker 2: I want to go back to the bridge protests in
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Speaker 2: Sydney on the weekend, and particularly the assessment now of
43:26
Speaker 2: what the legal implications might be and what those implications
43:30
Speaker 2: might be in terms of setting up the bridge to
43:32
Speaker 2: be used in by activist over and over and over again.
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Speaker 2: I thought Greg Craven's analysis of this in The Australian
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Speaker 2: this morning was absolutely outstanding. He's worn the Supreme Court
43:43
Speaker 2: decision to approve the march essentially gave authority to organizers
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Speaker 2: like that bloke, Josh Lee's Lee. You'd be silly to
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Speaker 2: not think that, given how the bridge, because it's so iconic,
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Speaker 2: the images went around the world, that someone else is
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Speaker 2: not going to bob up and want to do it again.
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Speaker 14: Hi, Steve, Absolutely, of course they are. This has created
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Speaker 14: a precedent that is going to be used time and
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Speaker 14: time again for other groups who want to advocate or protest,
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Speaker 14: and it never should have been allowed in the first place.
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Speaker 14: I appreciate free speech, I appreciate there are better locations
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Speaker 14: for these activities to occur, not on our iconic bridge.
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Speaker 14: As you say, that has been streamed across the world.
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Speaker 14: It was the wrong decision to start for and watch out,
44:38
Speaker 14: we put ourselves in a very bad situation for precedent
44:41
Speaker 14: moving forward.
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Speaker 2: Terry, I'm sure you read Professor Craven's assessment. He described
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Speaker 2: the court ruling as quote one of the craziest legal
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Speaker 2: achievements that I've seen in my life. And Greg Craven
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Speaker 2: is very very astute when he looks at these things.
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Speaker 2: When I heard that the Supreme Court on Saturday had
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Speaker 2: made that decision, I was gobsmacked. You've got the police
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Speaker 2: and the state government wanting to stop a march across
45:06
Speaker 2: the bridge because it was going to shut down all
45:08
Speaker 2: of Sydney, and then when ninety thousand odd people turn up,
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Speaker 2: it turns into a dangerous activity. Police had to text
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Speaker 2: everybody on the bridge to say go back the other
45:17
Speaker 2: way because they were worried about crab crush. It was craziness.
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Speaker 1: Oh, it was extraordinary.
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Speaker 15: If you look at what Justice Belinda Riggs actually said
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Speaker 15: on Saturday, it was more activist than the activists, and
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Speaker 15: she basically said that this Josh Lees said that there
45:33
Speaker 15: was this real humanitarian crisis in Gaza, so therefore it
45:37
Speaker 15: must be so, so therefore the march you go ahead.
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Speaker 15: I mean, in terms of the law, I'll stay out
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Speaker 15: of that.
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Speaker 1: I'm not a lawyer.
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Speaker 15: In terms of the public interest, in the public policy.
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Speaker 15: It's an absolute disaster. It's just an open invitation for
45:49
Speaker 15: any rabble rouser to actually claim the right to take
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Speaker 15: over the bridge and disrupt and cause chaos in capital cities,
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Speaker 15: not just in Sydney but around Australia.
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Speaker 2: Lee, for my sins, I live in the great socialist
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Speaker 2: state of Victoria. Jacinda Allen came out at the Labor
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Speaker 2: Party conference on Saturday she wants to give employees the
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Speaker 2: right to work from home, so actually legislate two days
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Speaker 2: a week.
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Speaker 9: Now.
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Speaker 2: Assessments today that companies small, medium and large are going
46:21
Speaker 2: to say, well, to hell with that. I'll take my
46:24
Speaker 2: business to South Australia. I'll go to Queensland, I'll go
46:27
Speaker 2: to New South Wales. I mean, how is it a
46:30
Speaker 2: politician's right to tell a boss of a company, no
46:34
Speaker 2: matter how small or large, that they have to let
46:37
Speaker 2: people work from home two days a week.
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Speaker 14: Absolutely, and they have no business whatsoever telling any business
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Speaker 14: or organization how they should manage their staff and their workforce.
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Speaker 14: You know, I've worked in HR and I know after
46:52
Speaker 14: the COVID period where we had to learn to work
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Speaker 14: from home, and it was a situation where we had
46:57
Speaker 14: to adapt. But I also saw the negative impacts of this,
47:00
Speaker 14: the negative impacts on cultural workforce and an environment. And
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Speaker 14: the fact is that you simply cannot do every job
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Speaker 14: working from home. It is a case by case situation.
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Speaker 14: And what she has done, or what the government is doing,
47:15
Speaker 14: is forcing businesses into a corner and not giving them
47:19
Speaker 14: the choice to run their business how they see fit,
47:21
Speaker 14: depending on their customer and consumer base, their clientele, and
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Speaker 14: what the job actually entails. So are you going to
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Speaker 14: tell me and how you're going to distinguish? Can a
47:30
Speaker 14: nurse work from home? Can a police officer work from home?
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Speaker 14: You know, where's the line drawn in the sand? Let
47:35
Speaker 14: the businesses choose how to run their workforce and keep
47:39
Speaker 14: your finger out of it.
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Speaker 2: We all said, Terry, not of surprise at all that
47:45
Speaker 2: Sender Allen made that comment. She's got her eyes on
47:48
Speaker 2: next November's election, hasn't she.
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Speaker 15: Well, that's right, and certainly I don't think my wife
47:54
Speaker 15: would like me to have a right to work from
47:56
Speaker 15: home two days a week. She'd be sick of the
47:58
Speaker 15: sight of me. But certainly, look, I think Ja Cinder Allen,
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Speaker 15: if this is her submission to the Productivity Commission or
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Speaker 15: Productivity roundtable.
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Speaker 10: God help us.
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Speaker 15: But look, I think it's straight politics, Steve. I mean,
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Speaker 15: what she is wanting to do and what she has
48:12
Speaker 15: said actually is that she wants to pick a fight.
48:14
Speaker 15: She wants to pick a fight with employers so she
48:16
Speaker 15: can show the unions. I suppose that that she is
48:19
Speaker 15: actually in their corner. But she's also I think trying
48:22
Speaker 15: to divert and distract from her political trouble.
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Speaker 9: And really is.
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Speaker 15: Pol from Victoria.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's right, it's absolutely that'll happen. It happened under
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Speaker 2: John Kin, it happened under Joan Kerner, so why would
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Speaker 2: be be surprised. I mean, it's just another nonsense from her.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for you too, and I'll see
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Speaker 2: you tomorrow night. Andrew bolts up next.