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Influencer Advantage Founder James Gray on Where Creator Marketing Is Heading · Influencer Advantage

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  Speaker 1: So imagine like handing a teenager a million dollars to
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  Speaker 1: make a 15 second video.
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  Speaker 2: Right. And having absolutely no clue if it actually sold
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  Speaker 2: a single product.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. I mean, for years, that was basically the reality
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  Speaker 1: of influencer marketing. It felt like this this high school
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  Speaker 1: popularity contest. Right. Brands just blindly chasing likes and, you know,
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  Speaker 1: view counts.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. But diving into our sources today, specifically that interview
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  Speaker 2: with James Gray, the founder of Influencer Advantage. It's clear
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  Speaker 2: the whole rulebook has been completely rewritten.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, totally. Because now it's all about cold, hard math.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking actual sales, customer acquisition cost.
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  Speaker 2: Meaning exactly how many dollars it takes to win one
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  Speaker 2: single buyer.
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  Speaker 1: Right. That and return on ad spend. Because, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if we're shifting from a popularity contest to a strict
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  Speaker 1: math equation, the very first variable we have to solve is, well,
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  Speaker 1: who brands are actually hiring in the first place?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And Gray's advice on where to begin here kind
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  Speaker 2: of flips the old script. You really have to start
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  Speaker 2: with your customer profile.
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  Speaker 1: Not the creator's follower count. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Not the follower count. Because a creator with a smaller
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  Speaker 2: audience that perfectly matches a brand's target demographic, that produces
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  Speaker 2: significantly stronger results than, say, a mega influencer with millions
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  Speaker 2: of random disconnected followers.
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  Speaker 1: OK, wait, I got to push back on that for
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  Speaker 1: a second.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: Because isn't a massive billboard in Times Square inherently better
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  Speaker 1: than like a small flyer in a niche neighborhood coffee shop?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if you want to sell products, shouldn't you
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  Speaker 1: just buy the biggest megaphone possible?
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  Speaker 2: You'd think so. But if we look at the actual
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  Speaker 2: mechanism of how people buy things, that Times Square billboard
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  Speaker 2: is really just passive visibility.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, OK.
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  Speaker 2: The niche coffee shop flyer, though, especially if it's handed
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  Speaker 2: to you by the barista you see every single morning,
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  Speaker 2: that comes with trust.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
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  Speaker 2: People spend their free time watching creators they already know
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  Speaker 2: and feel connected to. So when a trusted creator does
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  Speaker 2: a natural product demonstration, viewers actually pay attention.
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  Speaker 1: Because it doesn't feel like a standard interruptive ad.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. That established trust is what actually drives the action,
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  Speaker 2: not just the raw number of eyeballs.
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  Speaker 1: So if a brand pays a premium for this highly
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  Speaker 1: trusted niche creator, Posting one single video and just walking
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  Speaker 1: away seems like a massive waste of money. Oh, absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: It's a huge waste.
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  Speaker 1: So how are the smart brands treating this content?
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  Speaker 2: Well, they're relying heavily on testing instead of just, you know,
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  Speaker 2: basic assumptions. Because every audience responds differently. You have to
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  Speaker 2: test different opening hooks, maybe different product demos, different calls
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  Speaker 2: to action.
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  Speaker 1: It's less like throwing a single dart at a dartboard
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  Speaker 1: and hoping for a bullseye and more like using that
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  Speaker 1: initial creator video As a mold, like you're squeezing every
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  Speaker 1: drop of juice out of that lemon instead of buying
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  Speaker 1: a new one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Those small tests tell you which creative ideas
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  Speaker 2: actually deserve your money. And successful creator content shouldn't just
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  Speaker 2: die on a social media feed after 24 hours.
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  Speaker 1: You pour it into Facebook ads, you pour it into
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  Speaker 1: email headers, you embed it on your landing pages.
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  Speaker 2: Right. You are casting multiple assets from one original prototype.
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  Speaker 2: You let that high-performing content evolve. create value across every
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  Speaker 2: single stage of the customer journey.
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  Speaker 1: Which I guess is why they say one-off transactional campaigns
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  Speaker 1: usually fail now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's why long-term collaborations are basically taking over.
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  Speaker 1: Because long-term partnerships build audience familiarity, right? Yeah. But how
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  Speaker 1: does that actually affect the bottom line for the brand?
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  Speaker 2: It fundamentally changes the math on your ad spend. When
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  Speaker 2: you take that trusted creator's video and run it as
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  Speaker 2: an ad to people who already watched it once, you're
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  Speaker 2: targeting warm leads.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow. So it costs a fraction of the price
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  Speaker 1: to convert someone on their third or fourth view compared
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  Speaker 1: to a totally cold first time viewer.
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  Speaker 2: Precisely. That's the mechanism driving the customer acquisition costs down
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  Speaker 2: over time. And honestly, this is also why doing your
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  Speaker 2: due diligence is so crucial right now.
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  Speaker 1: Like what businesses are doing when they search for reviews
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  Speaker 1: on agencies like Influencer Advantage.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly that. They aren't just shopping for a quick vendor anymore.
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  Speaker 2: They are looking for a long term partner who actually
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  Speaker 2: delivers on communication, creative strategy, and measurable performance over the
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  Speaker 2: long haul.
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  Speaker 1: So if you're managing a brand or launching a product
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  Speaker 1: right now, the takeaway for you is pretty clear. Your
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  Speaker 1: job doesn't end when the creator posts the video. Not
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  Speaker 1: at all.
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  Speaker 2: That's actually just day one of your marketing sprint.
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  Speaker 1: Right. You aren't just buying a video. You are buying
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  Speaker 1: a digital sales asset that works around the clock.
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  Speaker 2: Assuming you learn from the performance data and make informed decisions, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That is exactly how you turn a creator partnership into
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  Speaker 2: a reliable sales channel.
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  Speaker 1: It really is wild to see this transition, you know,
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  Speaker 1: from chasing superficial engagement to building these hardcore data-driven partnerships.
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  Speaker 2: It's a completely different industry now.
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  Speaker 1: It really is. But it leaves me with one really
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  Speaker 1: big question for you to think about. If creators are
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  Speaker 1: essentially becoming these long-term, highly optimized, outsourced marketing departments for
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  Speaker 1: e-commerce brands. Yeah. How long until the most effective creators
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  Speaker 1: stop accepting flat fees and start demanding actual equity in
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  Speaker 1: the companies they are building?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that is a fascinating thought. Right.
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  Speaker 1: It really makes you wonder if that old high school
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  Speaker 1: popularity contest is about to turn into a hostile corporate takeover.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely something to think about until next time.