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Jaguars Happy Hour | Trevor Lawrence's Chemistry with WRs & Defensive Growth · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: It is Thursday, June fourth. This is Jaguars Happy Hour
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  Speaker 1: and now the newest bombshell on the latest edition of
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  Speaker 1: watch it again later. Welcome, and it is Jaguars Happy
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  Speaker 1: Hour and we've got a busy show ahead from the
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  Speaker 1: Hyundai today only at your local Hundai dealer. Here's what's
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  Speaker 1: coming up on the show today. OTAs continue the sixth
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  Speaker 1: of I Guess nine scheduled practices ten. They can have
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  Speaker 1: ten words today, so the six to one today the
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  Speaker 1: end of the week. Today, they'll have mandatory mini camp
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  Speaker 1: next week. Offensive chemistry, we'll see about quarterback wide receiver
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  Speaker 1: chemistry and how that is continuing to build here in
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  Speaker 1: this offseason. A defensive mindset after finished last year is
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  Speaker 1: the number one rushing defense in the league. How do
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  Speaker 1: they upgrade from that. We'll get into a conversation there.
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  Speaker 1: And as we said, mandatory mini camp next week. Ohtas
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  Speaker 1: continue in two weeks. That will be the final week
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  Speaker 1: of the offseason program ten to next lam Jaguars dot Com,
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars YouTube JP Shadwick with Jeff Logoman. Good afternoon, Good afternoon, JP.
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  Speaker 2: I'm kind of wondering, are we gonna have a last
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  Speaker 2: week of OTAs?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if they're on the calendar, well, I mean yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean you see it on account. I think they're
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  Speaker 1: gonna waste the work.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm reading other teams are canceling many camps and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, forty nine ers canceled their mini camp just recently.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, huh.
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  Speaker 2: You know, And so sometimes coaches like to throw the
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  Speaker 2: players bones, so to speak. And I want when the
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  Speaker 2: schedule came out and I saw that you had the
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  Speaker 2: mini camp kind of in the middle of OTAs, I said, ooh,
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  Speaker 2: something suspicious, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, typically I would not be surprised if Now
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  Speaker 1: I don't have any inside information, it just feel this
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  Speaker 1: feels like an inside info moment.
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  Speaker 2: It was very odd. It was very quirky to me
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  Speaker 2: that you had multiple OTAs after the mini camp.
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  Speaker 1: What if? Okay, what if? Just we're playing the what
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  Speaker 1: if game? Okay, what if it's a mandatory mini camp
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  Speaker 1: and then maybe the next week, Hey, salty vets, get
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  Speaker 1: out of here. Great attendance, Thanks for coming, rookies, younger guys.
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  Speaker 2: We get three more days. The rookies are not going
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  Speaker 2: to get the time off. Probably, Yeah, I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: mean that I was talking specifically about veterans.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, fine, Okay, rookies have a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Of catching up to do, and you know, there's a
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  Speaker 2: there's a fine line between doing too much and doing
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  Speaker 2: too little, I think with veterans, but with rookies. You know,
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  Speaker 2: their entire preparation leading up to the draft was essentially testing.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't football training, it was testing training. They wanted
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  Speaker 2: to get ready for the four R dash, the three
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  Speaker 2: cone drill, and all these other drills that they get
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  Speaker 2: timed on and tested on. Well where's all the effort
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  Speaker 2: and concentration when it comes to football drills.
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  Speaker 1: Well, now's the.
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  Speaker 2: Time to do that, you know, because you've got to
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  Speaker 2: get these young players acclimated to being football players again
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  Speaker 2: and not track athletes or combine performers, you know, right. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the rookies are not.
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  Speaker 1: Going to get that time off if they thought for them,
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  Speaker 1: If they're.
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  Speaker 2: Listening to the show and they think that they were
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  Speaker 2: going to get a couple of days off of OTAs,
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  Speaker 2: there's no chance the rookies are going to get time off.
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  Speaker 1: It's a ay, I remember there have been coaches around
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  Speaker 1: here like hammering every single OTA pre We're doing all
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  Speaker 1: ten this year, and I lived through that. JP. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Tom Coughlin was uh, he never wasted a day. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: he actually snuck in a few a few extra days. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we're just gonna have these practices that are prior to
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  Speaker 2: the start of training camp. They're not OTAs, they're just
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  Speaker 2: you know, their training camp days.
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  Speaker 1: Oh what we spoke this morning? You and I have
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  Speaker 1: to a group of season ticket members who are allowed
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  Speaker 1: to come in and watch the OTA practice today, and
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  Speaker 1: you said that you used to call yourselves the Jacksonville Volunteers.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, instead of the Jaguars. We did.
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  Speaker 2: We actually we joked around in nineteen ninety five that
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  Speaker 2: we called ourselves the Jacksonville Volunteers. That's pretty funny because
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  Speaker 2: it was voluntary. But with Tom cauflin, it wasn't very voluntary.
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  Speaker 2: It was required if you wanted to be here.
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  Speaker 1: Well here all right. So it's a different scenario for
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  Speaker 1: this team. Maybe it's going into year two of a regime.
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  Speaker 1: They had wild success last year thirteen wins won the division,
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  Speaker 1: didn't get as deep in the playoffs, certainly as they
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  Speaker 1: would have liked, but they feel like they have a foundation. Now. Well,
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  Speaker 1: if it's a team that's not quite at the foundation
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  Speaker 1: they want, maybe they don't cancel the OTAs and they
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  Speaker 1: go through. We're not saying that they have yet this
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  Speaker 1: year here either, right right, We're just speculating. But it's
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  Speaker 1: different scenario for different organizations. Where you are in your build.
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  Speaker 2: Right yeah, And I think it's it's where you are
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  Speaker 2: in your build, It's it's how satisfied are you with
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  Speaker 2: the work that's been done. Attendance as part of that,
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  Speaker 2: and attendance has been fantastic from this football team. But
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  Speaker 2: it also I think takes into account where you are
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  Speaker 2: from a health standpoint also, I mean you have to
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  Speaker 2: take that into consideration. I think for the most part,
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  Speaker 2: this team has been pretty healthy so far in this
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  Speaker 2: OTA process, and you want to make sure that they
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  Speaker 2: stay there. So I think there's a lot of factors
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  Speaker 2: that would go into that. And then also some of
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  Speaker 2: the OTA days, you know, I remember, you know, going
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  Speaker 2: back to training camp when I was with the Jets
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  Speaker 2: at the time, and there were certain training camp days
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  Speaker 2: where we would break the monotony and go do fun things.
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  Speaker 2: You know, and you've seen teams in the past here
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  Speaker 2: in Jacksonville do similar type of things. And then not
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  Speaker 2: necessarily in training camp, but in the off season like
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  Speaker 2: paintball and go do paintball. Let's go bowld go bowling.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, which was a lot of fun, cool
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  Speaker 2: and you know, just things of that nature. And it's
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  Speaker 2: not necessarily an OTA, but it's a team building process
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  Speaker 2: and doing things like that I think are tremendous ideas.
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  Speaker 2: And if you utilize an OTA day to do that,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, the players are thrilled that
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  Speaker 2: they get to do something different for an OTA day
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  Speaker 2: other than practice. And then also it's a team building concept.
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  Speaker 2: It works tremendously.
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  Speaker 1: And Liam Cohen and the strength and conditioning staff and
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  Speaker 1: everybody have implemented this Iron Jaguar program in the off
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  Speaker 1: season program as well. They did last year. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of it's you know, in the weight room, on the field,
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  Speaker 1: they're keeping score, they have teams and captains to pick players.
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  Speaker 1: Well yesterday they did you know they were having a
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  Speaker 1: schedule just meetings most of the day. Well they said,
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  Speaker 1: they got to the team meeting at nine o'clock and
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  Speaker 1: Liam comes like, oh, we're not doing that. We're doing this.
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  Speaker 1: And they did this folding tournament out in the indoor facility,
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  Speaker 1: which is basically like bowling pins set up on a
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  Speaker 1: board and you throw a football at it from like
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  Speaker 1: twenty yards away. It's almost like corn hole, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: with bowling pins, I think it's great. And then so
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  Speaker 1: they split up teams with that from the from the
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  Speaker 1: jack wars which counted towards the Iron Jaguars, and the
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  Speaker 1: winners of that were seated in the three point shooting
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  Speaker 1: contests that came right after it. Oh so, which was
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  Speaker 1: a two part popular okay with the team, here's the
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  Speaker 1: hoop at it's it's down in the just outside the
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  Speaker 1: indoor I think somewhere they wheeled in, all right, and
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  Speaker 1: I can I can they put this out on Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: Instagram today. The highlights of it. Brian Thomas Junior had
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  Speaker 1: an epic performance in the final to win it. He's
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  Speaker 1: got some game. Was he was a high school prospect,
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  Speaker 1: like he was a high process could have gone played
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  Speaker 1: basketball or football. Yeah, and he showed why in the final.
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  Speaker 1: And tim Aluakan won yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: Imagine that, Yeah, I mean defending the belt, the title
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  Speaker 2: from last year.
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  Speaker 1: That's but that was a non OTA day. They still
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  Speaker 1: had work here in the building, but they said, you
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  Speaker 1: know what good team building day, Let's go out here.
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  Speaker 1: And they've done a lot of work.
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  Speaker 2: As I said, JP, those things I think are awesome.
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  Speaker 2: And the first experience that I ever had with that
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  Speaker 2: is to go back. I think it was nineteen ninety one,
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  Speaker 2: something like that, ninety two. Anyway, we had we got
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  Speaker 2: Ronnie Lot with the Jets, right, yeah, he's a pretty
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  Speaker 2: good player, a phenomenal player, and it was towards the
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  Speaker 2: tail end of Ronnie's career. And here we are and
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  Speaker 2: we're in this beating room and we were doing a
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  Speaker 2: practice one day, and so Pete Carroll's leading the Okay,
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  Speaker 2: Super Bowl winning head coach, Pete Carroll, this expensive coordinator
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  Speaker 2: when I was with him in New York. And he
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  Speaker 2: starts this film and he gets up in front of
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  Speaker 2: the defense and he's and he's kind of ticked off,
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  Speaker 2: and you can tell, you know he's and Pete's not
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  Speaker 2: tip one that gets ticked off very easily, so very
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  Speaker 2: easy to read. And he starts the film and he's like, look,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we've got to have some paraphrasing here, he goes,
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  Speaker 2: we got to have leadership that's strong, and we have
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  Speaker 2: to have people set the example. And I'm gonna show
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  Speaker 2: you a few examples. Well, play number one was Ronnie
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  Speaker 2: Lott and he kind of was just, you know, jogging
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  Speaker 2: on a play, and he goes, we can't have Pete pizza.
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  Speaker 2: And now I'm Pete again, we can't have this kind
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  Speaker 2: of effort. And Ronnie's sitting right beside me, okay, and
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  Speaker 2: I can see the steam coming off of Ronnie right
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  Speaker 2: and then then Pete goes on to another player, not
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  Speaker 2: giving great effort, and then he comes back to Ronnie
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  Speaker 2: again and he says, and again, here we have a
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  Speaker 2: missed assignment and it was walked through and he missed
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  Speaker 2: an assignment and walks through in here, and Ronnie's about
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  Speaker 2: to come out of the seat and I reach over
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  Speaker 2: and I grab his form and I just squeeze it,
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  Speaker 2: you know, tell him, you know, just take it. And
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  Speaker 2: then Pete goes, oh, and then Ronnie's literally saying you
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  Speaker 2: got to stop, and all of sudden, piece's wait a minute, wait,
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  Speaker 2: I got one more play to show you, And all
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  Speaker 2: of a sudden, he runs the film and up on
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  Speaker 2: the screen, pops a video and that says, let's go bowling.
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  Speaker 2: And so there's a complete ploy to get everybody, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a little bit u uh concerned and then to take
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  Speaker 2: the whole team bowl. Anyway, it took all I had
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  Speaker 2: to keep from Ronnie from wearing Pete's head out after that,
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  Speaker 2: because Ronnie didn't thought he didn't think that was funny.
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  Speaker 1: It's year team for Ronnie a lot in the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: He's already been a first team All Pro eight times
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  Speaker 1: and won four Super Bowls, and he's not giving great
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  Speaker 1: effort all of a sudden.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it was a walk through, but I mean
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  Speaker 2: it was. It was a total set up in Ronnie.
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  Speaker 2: It was hot and again I mean it. He literally
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  Speaker 2: wanted to rip Pete Carroll's head off, and I had
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  Speaker 2: to calm him down. I mean because we had like
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  Speaker 2: a bus and we all go to the bus and
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  Speaker 2: I was like, Ronnie, you got to calm down, man,
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  Speaker 2: that's bs.
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  Speaker 1: You can't do that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, it's okay, Ronnie. So anyway, it was a
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  Speaker 2: great team building experience. Once we got Ronnie, we don't
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  Speaker 2: do that to run Pete should have found another guy
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  Speaker 2: to do that it.
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  Speaker 1: Was Ronnie a lot on your bowling team that I
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  Speaker 1: didn't have.
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  Speaker 2: No, he was not on my team. He was he
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  Speaker 2: had his own team. I don't remember who won, but
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  Speaker 2: it was it was a lot of fun. It beat
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  Speaker 2: it beat having a meeting at training camp at night.
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  Speaker 2: You know, those are the fun kind of things that
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  Speaker 2: you can do. You know that you build team camaraderie,
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  Speaker 2: you get to know guys you maybe didn't know, And
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  Speaker 2: that's exactly what the Iron Jaguar is. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 2: that's the perfect thing to have. And I know that
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  Speaker 2: there's other programs that do it. I think there's an
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  Speaker 2: Iron Buckeye that they do Ohio State. Sure other programs
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  Speaker 2: have had that, but I mean, it doesn't matter where
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  Speaker 2: the origins of it is at. It's just that it's
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  Speaker 2: a great concept for the Jaguars to have throughout the
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  Speaker 2: off season conditioning and strength training program.
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  Speaker 1: And the OTA point mixes it up a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Teach guys engaged.
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  Speaker 2: When every day can be kind of the greatest motivator
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  Speaker 2: that there is in sports competition, and so Iron Jaguar
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  Speaker 2: is You're you're getting guys to compete. And I think
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  Speaker 2: through the process of this Iron Jaguar. You also learn
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  Speaker 2: a lot about some guys. You know, how competitive are they?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: I mean so, I mean when you're trying to end up,
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  Speaker 2: you know, hanging a season on some guys performances to
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  Speaker 2: get to know a little bit more about them in
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  Speaker 2: that competitive setting. If you can find out the true competitors,
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  Speaker 2: and you see that through that vehicle, that tool, all
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  Speaker 2: the better.
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  Speaker 1: Let's come back. We'll hear from Brian Thomas Jr. Talking
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  Speaker 1: about this offensive chemistry as it continues to grow here
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  Speaker 1: in the off season program. And yeah, big year ahead
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  Speaker 1: for bt JO, big year for him. Yeah, we'll hear
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  Speaker 1: from him coming up in just a little bit. Also
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  Speaker 1: on the defensive side, Trayvon Walker is healthy in the
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  Speaker 1: big fella and yeah, that's right, And we.
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  Speaker 2: Had a conversation with him a couple of days ago.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, we'll dig into that coming up a little bit
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  Speaker 1: later as well. On ten ten x l AM, Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: dot Com and Jaguars YouTube. Glad you're with us on
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hour.
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  Speaker 3: It's coming out here trying to be the best that
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  Speaker 3: I can be, putting my best foot for each and
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  Speaker 3: there he gave. Just continue to stay motivated. Don't let
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  Speaker 3: anything in the way of anything in the way of
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  Speaker 3: the don't let the downs get the way of that.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever you got going on in life, what there's outside
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  Speaker 3: of football and football, just don't let don't let that
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  Speaker 3: stop your control, you of your mindset, the way you
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  Speaker 3: think about beings. So yeah, I would say, yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: wake up motivating the other day, I'll try not to
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  Speaker 3: let anything get in the way of that.
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  Speaker 1: Brian Thomas Junior, Jaguars wide receiver and welcome back. It
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  Speaker 1: is Jaguars Happy Hour from the Hundai Studios ten toon XLAM,
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars dot Com, Jaguars YouTube JP Shadwick with Jeff Logoman
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  Speaker 1: And obviously last year we saw Brian Thomas Junior was
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  Speaker 1: some early season struggles in breaking route, stuck it out
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  Speaker 1: of balls, drops, just having some issues in this new offense.
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  Speaker 1: Injuries and yeah, fighting through some stuff. But as the
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  Speaker 1: season went on, continue to play, continue to be part
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  Speaker 1: of this team. They continue to believe in him. They
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  Speaker 1: adjusted mid seasons some of the ways they were utilizing
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  Speaker 1: him in the passing game outside the numbers, deeper down
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  Speaker 1: the field. His effort was there in the run game
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  Speaker 1: when they needed him too. And obviously was I think
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  Speaker 1: a big piece of this team down the stretch in
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  Speaker 1: a big way. Now the trick is moving it forward
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  Speaker 1: offensively with Brian Thomas Junior, and this time of year
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  Speaker 1: is big to continue to try to build that chemistry
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  Speaker 1: with a quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and look, I think it was pretty apparent that
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  Speaker 2: there was not a ton of chemistry with Trevor Lawrence
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  Speaker 2: last year with Brian Thomas Junior, whereas you know, his
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  Speaker 2: rookie year, there was chemistry that seemed to be there
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  Speaker 2: because that's the only thing that was existing in the
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  Speaker 2: Jaguars offense.
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  Speaker 1: And then this past year Brian got hurt. He had drops.
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  Speaker 2: The swagger that he had had his rookie year didn't
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  Speaker 2: really show itself very much at all, which was not
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  Speaker 2: really sure why that was. But that was the one
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  Speaker 2: thing about Brian I think that really made him really
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  Speaker 2: be who he was his rookie year was that that swagger,
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  Speaker 2: that confidence that we showed or he showed on game
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  Speaker 2: day that he went.
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  Speaker 1: Like, wow, where did this guy come from? Edge ultimate
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  Speaker 1: competitor and not like chirpy all the time, but when
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  Speaker 1: it mattered, like he got you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, was talking earlier about competition makes people great. I
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  Speaker 2: mean when the competition got level got high against certain guys,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm talking top end defensive backs, Brian Thomas Junior
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  Speaker 2: was they're kind of in the guy's face talking a
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  Speaker 2: little smack, had a little swagger. I didn't feel like
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  Speaker 2: that that was present that much last year. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: the reality is is that the trade for Jacoby Myers
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  Speaker 2: I think was happened partly because of the performance of
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  Speaker 2: Brian Thomas Junior.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you were having a.
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  Speaker 2: Tremendous amount of drops from Brian Parker had some drops,
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  Speaker 2: Travis got hurt, Travis got hurt, and then the free
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  Speaker 2: agent they acquired from Washington wide receiver also had some
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  Speaker 2: so you had you had multiple guys that were having
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  Speaker 2: drops and the James Gladstone. Okay, let's be the master
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  Speaker 2: of the obvious here, which is actually in simplicity sometimes
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  Speaker 2: is brilliant, and that if you have a football team
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  Speaker 2: that has a problem with then bring a guy in
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  Speaker 2: who's one of the best in the league catching the football.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I think that Brian is now he's challenged
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  Speaker 2: to raise his level of play to earn the targets
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  Speaker 2: because there's some players that are around him that have
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  Speaker 2: earned their targets. Last year, Jacoby earned them, Parker Washington
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  Speaker 2: certainly earned them. Travis Hunter was earning a lot of
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  Speaker 2: attention before the injury to his knee. So I think
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: it's going to be interesting to watch how it all
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: plays out this year when everybody is wanting the ball
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: and hopefully everybody.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Is on top of their game. Diomi Brown was the name,
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: thank you trying to think of from Washington, of course
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: not around here anymore. Another part of that is to
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Kobe Myers is actually here in this offseason program. Obviously
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: traded here in the middle of the season, was thrown
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: into the fire, performed very well. This has been kind
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: of fun to watch those two pitch it around the
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: yard out.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: Here watching watching Jacoby Myers practice, I mean total pro,
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: total pro.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: He made a catch.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: I think it was in Monday session that there was
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: a collective gasp on the field because it was.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Like, wow, what a catch.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: It was one of those ones that's like way out
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: in front and and it's just like inspector gadget, you know,
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: the arms extended out and somehow he literally caught it
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: clean and but it was on.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: The tips of his fingers.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: It was like, Wow, that's the why, that's the reason
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: why they got him, that's the reason why he is
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: the player that he is. And then he made another
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: catch in the end zone that was tremendous. I mean,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: he's I love his work ethic and and you you
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: got a really good room there now. I mean I'm
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: talking a really good room. Parker Washington, high character guy,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: high performing guy, Jacoby high character, high performing Brian Thomas Junior,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: got a.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Ton of talent.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Got to get him back to that form from a
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: couple of years ago, Travis Hunter. I mean, and then
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not even adding in the tight end group,
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: you know with Brenton Strange, who, by the way, today had.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: A great day. Yeah.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm supposed to talk about that
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: or not, but he how great was it? He's you know,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: I'm excited about again. I'm excited about him just because
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: I love the player that he is, but also with
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: the addition of the other tight ends, I think it's
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: going to be it's gonna make his his production level
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: and impact even going up. Yeah, and that's exactly what
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: they had missing when he wasn't out there that three
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: or four weeks where he missed, where he was banged up.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: It's like, well, wait a minute, we don't have enough
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: tight ends to really kind of take over that role.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: So they had to bring in extra lineman and run
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: the ball. And that gives up what you're gonna do.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Well it it makes it.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: It kind of declares what your intentions are when you've
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: got an offensive lineman on the field versus a blocking
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: tight end or a blocking slash receiving tight end. That's
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: one of the reasons why you look at George Kittle
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: and Travis Kelcey and Kelsey more in his heyday, in
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: his prime, him and Kittle are as good at blockers
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: as there is, you know. And the reason that they
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: had such value is that you had to respect that
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: blocking ability when they were on the field, which made
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: the defense kind of in a bit of a cun undrum. Okay,
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: do we treat him as a receiver and go a
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: little lighter on the field, or do we treat him
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: as a blocker and go a little heavier. Well, you're
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: at a disadvantage if you go a little bit heavier,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: because Kelsey and Kittle can get down the field. Well,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: you're also at a disadvantage if you decide to go
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: the other way, because.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: They're good blockers.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: And that's the true value of tight ends is the
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: ability of them to do both to impact the running
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: game and the passing game. The tight ends that are
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: one dimensional, like Evan Ingram, didn't impact the defensive game
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: planned all that much because they were treated everyone was
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: treated specifically as a wide receiver.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: He would line up that wide sometimes too out. Nobody
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: ever treated him as a tight end. Now I mean.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: William Balker, but he wasn't a you know, he wasn't
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: going to block anybody off the line of scrimmage when
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: he lined up tight type the formation.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: About the Steelers, speaking of the tight ends that signed
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: a four year, forty two million dollar extension for Darnell
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Washington sixty seven to sixty five ish, maybe bigger than that.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: He's about fifteen pounds from being a tackle, so they
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: use them a lot. That's what they list to that.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: He's not to sixty he hasn't been to sixty five
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: since Georgia.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: He has the ability he's not gonna get he's too
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: eighty rs by the way. Yeah, but that's the dual
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: threat ability of that. He's got position. He's not. I mean,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: he's he's more.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: When he's on the field, you're playing heavy. You're really
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: not in one of those decisions like my gosh, he
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: can slip out there. We play heavy? Do we play
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: light when he's on the field, you we're gonna play him.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: All I know is that if he's running with the
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: football with a full head of steam and you're a
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: safety low, you have better go low and have helps
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: go low. I don't know about all that. That's tough, yeah,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: and interested too. Just to wrap up this offensive conversation
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: that the wide receiver. We mentioned Parker Washington a couple
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: of times. It's getting close to contract time for him
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: as well. Parker, do you think he's proved enough? Does
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: does he want to prove more? I mean that money
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: is going to get higher and higher the better production
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: goes out there.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Look, I don't think there's any question you want to
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: have something done with him. And there's also I don't
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: think there's no question about the desire or wanting to
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: get something done with Brenton Strange as well. Both guys
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: are on the radar for getting deals done. The reality
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: is is that you know there's a negotiation process, and
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: you know, the team would like to be and on
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: one side of the of the peak, okay, and the
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: player would like to be on the other side. And somehow,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: some way you have to find a way to meet
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: in the middle. And then that takes time. Yeah, you know,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: and Parker Washington has had one year of tremendous production.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: So you know, the team is saying, wats one year.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: You know, Parker's agent is saying, well, wait till he
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: gets more reps in the future, you know, so you
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: want to get him paid on potential a little bit more,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: or potential productivity at the level that he was out
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: at the end of the year.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Well, let's hear it from the horse's mouth. Parker Washington
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: was asked about this not long ago and his mentality
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: going into a contract year in twenty twenty six.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: Just staying detailed, staying intentional with how I attack each day.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's the mindset, you know. I mean, it
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: didn't start off with me having all these opportunities, so
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: I had to find a way to continue to get
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: better knowing that I probably wasn't going to get the opportunities.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: So just with that, I mean, I just feel like
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: it's just a cherry on top. Now, I just get
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: the more opportunities to go out there and be who
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: I want to beat, be who I know I can be,
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: and just have fun with him.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: He's a sixth round pick. It's the fourth year in
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: his rookie contract. Final year?
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: What round pick was he sixth tremendous pick overall tremendous pick.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: And uh, here here's the thing with him. His production
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: last year was lights out. But I mean, let's not
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: forget he's kind of that dual guy.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: He's also a returner, a really good returner. Might be
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: the best punt returner in the league. Yeah, he what
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: took three to the house? One was brought to accounted. Yeah,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: so where's what's the value of that? And their long
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: ones too. It's not like he's you know, there's like
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: ninety six yard punt.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: He's he's really good.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: He's really good, and so I you know, I you know, look,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: James Gladstone and Liam and Tony BISSELLI would love to
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: have a deal with Parker Washington, Brenton Strange, but there's
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: a process that it goes takes to go and uh
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: and I have confidence that it will get done. When
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: you talk about cornerstone players with rosters, the ones that
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: you draft and the ones that develop right in front
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: of your eyes. And when you're talking about Jaguar DNA
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: guys Brenton Strange, Parker Washington or right there at the
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: top of the list, those are guys that you want
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: to have as cornerstone going forward.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Speaking of cornerstones, we'll come back in a moment and
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: hear from Trayvon Walker another cornerstone like literal stone like
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: kid time.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, hands of stone, head of stone. He will hurt
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: you as if a stone, big giant one told well.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Hear about his grip and a hand that was busted
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: up throughout last season. When we come back, attention next
• 24:44
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• 24:48
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• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: I'm a defensive linem so I'm always using my hand,
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: So obviously it's a can kind of put me at
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: a disadvantage to where I'm not able to strike on
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: hands slipping out the block and not being able to
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: grab a control. But that's the main thing. I need
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: my hands to control the blocks, whether it's in the
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: run or the pass or like I say, I'm going
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: to contention the other side there every day.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Trayvon Walker, Jaguars defensive end earlier this week, welcome back.
• 25:15
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• 25:40
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• 25:43
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• 25:48
  Speaker 1: By the way, they got a lot of work to
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: do to get that stadium ready, Yes, they do. They've
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: got some time. I know they they got a plan.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: They have a plan. They have a plan.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: We'll execute the plan, and I'm sure there's gonna be
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: work and work the plan. It's gonna be a little
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: bit of anxiety. I bet that's gonna exist with that plan.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: That's just part of It'll be growing pains, yeah right,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: it'll be read, it'll be fine. Yeah, it'll be fine.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: It'll be just fine for Trayvon Walker as well, who
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: is healthy and out there this offseason program. You know,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: last year thirty eight tackles, three and a half sacks,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: eight tackles for lost, thirteen quarterback hits, all with a
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: bad knee and a bad hand that he had wrapped
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: up like a Gordida most of the season. Like, and
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: he's still he still is out there fighting through this stuff.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: And he just talked about his grip and how difficult
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: that can be.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: He like he was like the Monty Python guy, only
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: a flesh wound.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: So he fought through this stuff. But at some point
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: you do have to grip. And how difficult do you
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: ever break your hand when you played or no, no,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: but fingers okay, which impacts your ability. But I mean
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: his was that risk hand area. And look, Travon's he's
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: a power player. You know, he's a bully. I mean,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: that's his game is strength and power and the only
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: way that strength and power exists is through your hands,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: in your wrist. And so that part of the game
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: left them. So I don't know if it was a
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: good thing or not. It wasn't because he couldn't be
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: quite as productive as what he was before. But sometimes
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: I think you also are forced to do other things
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: and to learn to do other things because of it,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: and so I hope he looked at that as a
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: learning process and a growth process. But he's a power player.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: He needs his hands, he needs his wrists. The knee
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: injury that he had, I mean, a lot of guys
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: would have taken more time to be able to get
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: back to the field, And that's one of the reasons
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: why Trayvon is a cornerstone player. Availability is always at
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: the top of the list when it comes to value
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: of a player, and he is a player that has
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: always been available.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: He is a player that's as well rounded as you're
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: gonna find. He's not a one trick pony. He can
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: stop the run as good.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: As anybody in the National Football League.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: And the one thing I think that we'll see more
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: of going forward, I think is you'll see him having
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: the flexibility to kick down inside a little bit more,
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: just because he's got that size. I was talking to
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: him the other day and I was like, you look,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: big man, what do you weigh him? He's like two
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: eighty three to eighty two something like that. He's just
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: a big man. He's big, and he's strong and he's powerful.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: He's not fat at all. There's no fat on him
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: at all, no fat on him at all, you know.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: And I love him. I think he's uh he's one
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: of those guys that.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: When you go to a street fight and it's gonna
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: get you're gonna get black and blue, and you're gonna
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: get dirty and you're gonna have to grind. He's the
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: guy that you want on your team all the time.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: There's nothing pretty about him. He's toughness. He's complete toughness.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Why they resigned him and extended him and did everything
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: with him because he's kind of the sets the tone
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: in a lot of ways for this details.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: And I think the one thing that I think they're
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: challenging him to do, and I think it's good because
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: that's what coach you should do, is challenge guys to
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: reach a new level. Trayvon's one of those guys because
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: I mean he doesn't talk a lot, right, I mean he's.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Not like Josh.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Josh talks a lot, right, Oh, yes, talks a lot, yes,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: But I think that there's and the guys that talk
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: a lot sometimes I think it's great to have guys
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: like that. But when you have guys that are that
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: have the work ethic and the respect and the commitment
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: like a Trayvon, when he does speak, people will listen,
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: that's right. And so I think developing him in the
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: leadership category and and encouraging him to be more of
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: a leader, which it takes time to get comfort in
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: doing that because I mean, Trayvon's around Josh, right, and
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Josh is the older guy, and so you kind of
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: defer to the older guy to let him be the leader.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Well on a football team, Okay, now that Trayvon's getting older,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: he can also be a voice of leadership, and so
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: I think that's an area that they want to challenge
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: him at. And that's a good thing because when he
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: does speak, he will be a tremendous leader.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Right, And he is speak, Yes, he does his job well,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: and then when yeah, when it matters and he feels
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: like he has something to say, he will say it now.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: And that's to go. But you have to be, like
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: you said, we always talk about you have to have
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: the game to back that up too well, and you
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: have to have the game to back it up first
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: before you are viewed as a leader and people will
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: listen and look leadership.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: When I talk about leadership, I'm not talking about him
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: just leading the defensive line room, okay, or lead in
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: the defense. I'm talking about him helping lead the team,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: because there are guys that can do that, you know.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: For example, going back to Ronnie Lott, Ronnie Lott was
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: the leader of a football team, you know. I mean
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: he could lead the whole team.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: And I think.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Trayvon has the he can have that impact once he
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: gets comfortable in those shoes.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: I just hope Trayvon doesn't cut his finger off like
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Ronni Lot did in a game. That'd be bad. You know.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: I asked Ronnie about that and I said, you know,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: I said, and he told me the story. They said
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: that if he if he kept the finger and okay,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: So for people that don't know, the San Francisco forty
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: nine is wearing a playoff run and he heard his
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: finger got a smash between a couple helmets. Doctors told him, look,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: we got to cast it, we got to surgically fix it,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: but you're going to be out for a while. Ronnie said,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: that's not an option. How can I be ready to
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: play this week, and they said, if we amputated and
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: he could cut off like the top knuckles, the last knuckle,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: he said, cut it off. And I said, so, would
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: you do it again? He said, nah, No, wouldn't do
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: it again, no heat.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Of the moment. Nope.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: You know, but you know, you're young, and you're like,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: you know, it's about ball and you want to play.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: And a lot of people don't know that about Ronnie Lott.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, you talk about one of the ultimate warriors
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: in football. I mean one of the legends of the game.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Ronnie Lott was right at the.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Top defensively for the Jaguars. Obviously last year finished number
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: one in the league against the run. It was the
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: priority for everything and it set up everything else, all
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: the takeaways, which they were really good at. A lot
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: of that comes when you earn the right to take
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: the football away and rush the passer. It's because you've
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: stopped the run. Where do they go from here defensively
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: or they you know, you don't just like roll the
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: ball out and all of a sudden you're the number
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: one run defensive No. No, I mean I think the
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: run game starts.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: And when I was talking to Treyvon The other day,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Josh I was talking to Josh heinz Allen as well
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: as Devon Hamilton and the ability to stop the run
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: arts with Devon Hamilton, and you know, I got to
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: give him a lot of credit because you know, you
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: go back a couple of years ago and you really
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: thought that his game was on the upside and and
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: he was, you know, ascending, and then he had that
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: this mystery back injury that nobody really knew about, which
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: you know, the people in the building knew that he
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: had this infection in his back or something that impacted
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: him in a huge way, and he lost a lot
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: of his strength and power and.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Twitch and it was a spinal epidural abscess, which his
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: final compression. And that's when we were in Detroit practicing
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: against the Lions and these symptoms popped up or like
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: what is going on here?
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: And thankfully the doctors they kind of diagnosed it fairly quickly,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: which a lot of those can go completely undiagnosed and
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: can cause major problems. But it took him time to
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: get back, you know, and like to walk again. Yeah,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: just I mean, and not talking necessarily about football. Took
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: him a while to get back to just like being functional. Well,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: then it took him even more time to get back
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: to being the football player that he returned to being,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: because before that back injury, we were like, this guy
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: is really good. And then he came back and you're like,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, if he's got it. He
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: just didn't seem like the same player. And then last year, Wow,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: I mean back to the Devon Hamilton of old, and
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: the run game starts with him.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Him and Foyer. Sure, yeah, I mean behind him.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Who wouldn't want to play behind guy like Devon Hamilton
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: swallowing two offensive linemen.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: And he's a big man forty Keep going, you think
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: it's bigger than that.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, I know it's bigger than that. Okay, I know
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: it's bigger than that. He's three forty plus.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Guarantee you who won't make a bet?
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: I'll take three. Who was the Packers? No, Gilbert Brown?
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Gilbert Brown, he was from here to here?
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: He was great when and for people this is Radio two,
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: they're probably going, what's here to hear about? Okay, so
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: you're standing still? Okay, he can go about six to
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: eight seven feet to the left, maybe six to seven
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: feet to the right anywhere and there, Okay, he was
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: really good. Anywhere outside of there not so good. Okay,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Devon Hamilton can go outside.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Of that area. Devon Hamilton's listed six four three thirty
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: five listed just saying yeah. Gilbert Brown was six two
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: three forty and he's probably about three seventy a biscuit.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Short, and I think of I think so the two
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: guys that were in Baltimore, Sirrah Goosa, who's the other guy?
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Sarah Goosa was we'll switch to the goose was
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: come on, a massive guy. But who was the other guy?
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: He was annoying if you had to, like, I mean,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: you talk about two of the largest human beings ever.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: But that was one of that great Ravens defense. What
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: was his name, I'll look it up. I can't remember.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: But those guys are nasty deal with. You couldn't move them.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: The linebackers, I mean, uh, ray Lewis lewis running around
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: happy as a clam because nobody could get up to.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Him because they're worried about the Goose. And Sam Adams Adam,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: thank you. I mean, it's like crazy and the Jags
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: put it in. Jimmy Smith put up like two hundred
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: and something yards that day on them.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Well look, I mean, look who's got the Super Bowl that? Okay, Okay,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: one game, we got two hundred yards receiving in one game.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Well guess what the Ravens were super Bowl chances?
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: True.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Oh. By the way, speaking of Jimmy Smith, he's going
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: to be inducted into the Black College Football Hall of
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Fame this weekend in Atlanta. Very cool, Jimmy Jackson State. Congrats.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Seeing Jimmy around here the last week or two, kind
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: of hanging around some which is good to see. We're
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: back in a moment. We're gonna talk to the computer logs.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: This week's topic category wide receiver production in twenty twenty five.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, a certain receiver, all right, is this related to
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Brian Thomas Junior?
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Maybe because earlier Brian, Okay, I got an idea. Well,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: there's a few receivers on the team. You probably have
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: had a lot of ideas. Could be eleven you might
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: actually guess it. The actual question, Well, no, the let's
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: just come back and ask the computer what they think
• 37:41
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  Speaker 1: since the schedule is out there, and it's time to
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: talk to the Computer. Microsoft co pilot Jeff Logoman's favorite feature.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Each and every week we ask it a question, it
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: spits out an answer, the question, what were Parker Washington's
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: stats in twenty twenty five? It seems like an easy
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: one this week. Didn't want to really make the computer
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: smoke today. Parker Washington's twenty twenty five season with the
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Jaguars was statistically his best today fifty eight receptions, eight
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: hundred and forty seven yards, five touchdowns in the regular season.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Check out Microsoft co Pilot. It'll answer what you ask
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: to know.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Like with Parker, if you broke his production down. First,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: let's say the first eight games versus the last eight games.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: And I know there's seventeen games. Okay, math yea, I
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: was told it would be no math today.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: But yes, I'm just curious to see.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: I'll do it right now, right here, because the production
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: in the first half of the season, I mean there
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: was a little bit of a kind of a learning curve,
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: you know, to where his performance really took off at
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: the end of last season.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at it right now. You want to go
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: game by game, we can go through it. Yeah, yeah,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: I'll do it right now. So the last eight games,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: I'll give you the first Like to your point, first
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: half is up to London, right, Okay, I mean his
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: high watermark was seventy six yards. That was Week two, yep,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: against Cincinnati, five catches, seventy six. Everything else is like
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: fifty two and less, right, I mean fifty two yards
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: against the Rams, twenty nine Seattle, two catches, sixteen against
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: the Chiefs, nothing against San Fran nothing against Carolina, right,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: like just nothing, right, eleven targets against Houston four catches.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: You know, he had a couple of drops in that game. Yeah,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: so struggling, right, Yep, comes back after the bye eight
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: for ninety against Vegas, three for thirty three Houston, two
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: for twenty Chargers and then here we go five for
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: seventy one Arizona touchdown, one for twenty six. Tennessee was
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: inactive against Indy. Finished the year fifty three yards one
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: forty five at Denver, one fifteen at Indy eighty seven
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: and a touchdown against Tennessee. I mean that's a strong month,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: last three weeks of the season for him.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: And so we were talking earlier about, you know, how
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: do you get the contracts done with a guy like
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Parker Washington and Brenton Strange. You know is in you know,
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: if you're doing your job as an agent, you're focusing
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: in on the latter part of those numbers. Here's what
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: my client can be when he's given the opportunity. Whereas
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: the team is going, hey, look we appreciate that, but
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: you know, here's the season as a whole, and here's
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: where we believe that, you know, his level needs to
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: be at and it's not that they disagree. They both
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: believe that he's a great player and that the productivity
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: is going to continue to ascend. But you know, it
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: takes a little time to kind of get to that,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: you know, to get to that understanding.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, the best thing. And now I'm not an agent,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: but from Parker's perspective, he runs out there the first
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: half of the season, lights it up. There's all the
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: evidence that they would need in their opinion, I would think, well.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: And then that would give him more fuel to his
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: argument of getting paid a higher amount of money, whether.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: It's here somewhere else too. If he goes free, then
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: look out, he'd be one of the big names coming out.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he would. He would be. But you hope
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: that it doesn't get to that point. I agree.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: But at the same token, I mean, I think as
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: an organization, you've got to be able to have a
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: little discipline, and you also have to be willing to
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: say that you know, well, we want to, but we
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: can't do that, you know. I mean, just like Devin
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Lloyd this past year. I mean, in a perfect world,
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: you'd love to be able to keep Devin Lloyd, But
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: did it make financial sense for where you were as
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: a team to pay him that number.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Did he have that kind of value to you?
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: So sometimes you got to be able to say, hey, look,
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: we love you, but we just can't keep you at
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: that number. And change is constant in the National Football League,
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: And if you don't embrace change and you aren't ready
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: to accept the change and to be ready to do
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: something different, you're not going to be a consistent competitor.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: If you have personnel that can backfill that position, it
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: certainly helps to they have confidence in benrel Miller right now.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, look, here's the thing that I will
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: say about that whole position, right, Okay, I don't think
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: that it's necessarily that you have confidence that somebody else
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: can just step right in and play as well. You
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: may end up saying to yourself, look, we may not
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: get a guy that replaces Devin production there, right, but
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: as a team, we need to find that production maybe
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: with some of the guys that are playing in his spot,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: and maybe not just one guy, but multiple guys in
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: different type of roles. Maybe one guy is better on
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: first down and you're rotating guys through who knows. But
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: then also you want an increase of level of productivity
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: elsewhere to maybe make up.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: For some of those numbers, because how many turnovers if
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: was he responsible five picks and like five picks, and
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: how many linebackers in the league have five picks? So
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: that's the trick to you can't count on that every years.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: How many years did he have five picks before that? None?
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: He had two in his whole career before that exactly,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: So like that that was kind of almost it felt
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: like a little bit of a one off hope. It
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: wasn't right for him because he's a great guy, great player,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: great guy had a great year, not taking it away
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: from him, but to have five interceptions and here's the
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: crazy year after year, JP is tough step for a
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: corner to do that. Past coverage might be in well,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: might be the weakest part of his game. It definitely is.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're getting past ten yards down the field.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: He's a liability. He was not.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: He was not And and a lot of people say,
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: how could you say that he had five picks?
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were in front of him.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Well, a lot of that also is due to scheme
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: and also being in the right place, right time. But
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: as far as like the ability to play in space,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: that was not Devin's strong suit. That's why you saw
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: them game plan to where he was going forward a
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: lot as a blitzer. Okay, the ninety nine yard interception.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Why did Patrick Mahomes never even think for a minute
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: that Devin Lloyd will be there because they were sending
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: him on all those blitzes going forward. So he's like, well,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: he's coming, Okay, Lloyd's coming, So I'm good, and he.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Throws it in there.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Well, surprise, surprise, great call by the defensive coordinator.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Film study by Devin the.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: Rest to read the eyes and be in the right spot.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, but you know, look, there's other players that
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: were better and are better than Devin and playing in space. Now,
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: I'm not ready to say or I'm not ready to
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: anoint Ventro Miller's that guy.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: He was the co starter early last year.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Look, I think and the reality is, I think there's
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: going to be other guys that will be vying for
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: that playing time as well, from Branson Combs to our
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: draft pick last year Notre Dame Kaiser McLeod's more of
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: an outside sam edge rusher type, and then also the
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: draft pick this year. All right, competition, we'll see, we'll
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: see we'll see where it comes from.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Never hurts.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: It makes the people as best as they can possibly be. Now,
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: you know the one thing that I will tell you
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: about Devin Lloyd, He's got a fan of me. I thought,
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: one of the best people. And when you talk about
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: the DNA that you want to have is Jaguar DNA
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: and all that high quality character guy, I mean the
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: guy that you'd want to marry your daughter kind of guy.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Awesome.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: And give his parents credit because they did an amazing
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: job raising him. Hard work, dedicated, committed, dependable, made himself available.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: There's nothing bad that you can say about Devin Lloyd
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: the person.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Nothing. We'll see them in the preseason Week two preseason
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Carolina Carolina. Yeah practice, I saw he was being interviewed,
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: you know, for the Carolina Panthers. And so I will
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: always remain a fan of Devin Lloyd just because I
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: believe in the person that he is. Coming up next
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: week mandatory mini camp Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Wednesday, open to
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: the public. Not sure how many, if there are any
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: seats available. Check out Jaguars dot com for the latest there.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: But we'll see out here on Wednesday morning. If you've
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: registered and get a response already, come on in. It's
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: gonna be fun should be you know, similar field to
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: the OTA practices. It's just kind of the same thing.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: It's just they have to be here those three days, mandatory, mandatory.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: If not, then you get a little bit lighter pocketbook.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: But I mean, everybody's been here. It's you know, there's
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: no issue here. There's some issues around the league where
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: guys are not at the voluntary or OTAs or whatever.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: But it's not an issue. It's voluntary. Well, I mean,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: I know it's not an issue, right, it's voluntary, you know.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, uh, it's funny. Thing is it's not
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: an issue. Right.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: And let's let's talk about one of the greatest trades
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: in league history with Miles Garrett, who did not attend
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: to sing a lota yet for the Cleveland Brown then
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: they got traded.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: For obviously versus going back three draft picks, including a
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: first rounder. I mean, that is that's steep. He also,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: you know, set the record for sacks last year. I
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: can turn in his career.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: He is the greatest defensive athlete that I have ever
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: watched college film on.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Ever. Ye, he's a little skinnier back then too didn't matter.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: The guy could bend like nobody I've ever seen, and
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: to this day he still bends like nobody. When I
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: say Ben, he can that that bend will cut the
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: corners around. And the athleticism and the power that he has.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: His sack numbers are incomprehensible. When you look at his
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: sack rate. He is walk in Hall of Famer right.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Now, chasing a championship now in l A.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: What did less need have to what's his motto? Ben
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: tho F then picks? Well, he just said f then picks.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: And I mean, I love Jared Verse. I think he's
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: a really good football player. He's no Miles Garrett. He's
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: not a mouseter.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Aaron Donald's talking about coming back out. He should. He
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: can still play. If Aaron Donald played another year or
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: two or came back, Aaron Donald would be an elite player.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: The question is is what has he been doing for
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: the last year and a half or whatever. Probably just
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: lifting a little lighter weights. That was his hobby, right,
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: I don't yeah, I don't know if he would ever
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: flighter weights.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: He's all of those guys that's probably still lifting two
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: hundred pound dumbbells. You know that's I'm not joking. There's
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: very few people on this planet that can lift two
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: hundred pound dumbbells. Okay, I didn't even know they made
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: two hundred pound do I didn't either. I know they
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: have one hundred pound dumbell I remember you touching those either.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: I think they have him down in the jars two
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: hundreds they might.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Who's here?
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: So there was a couple guys with the forty nine
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: ers that used to work out with two hundred pound dumbells.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Not many people can Jeff Logoman Probably no chance, No chance,
• 49:54
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• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Prent Reaver, and thanks to you for watching Chigain listening.
• 50:00
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• 50:03
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