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Taking the Loss Without Losing Yourself · Pass The Rock: Real Talk

• 0:02
  SPEAKER_00: Alright, what's up, people?
• 0:03
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to PTR Pastor Rock, Real Talk, where we talk about faith, basketball, culture, obviously, Jesus, and how to integrate him into our life every day.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm Lawrence.
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  SPEAKER_00: We'll be with my boy B D aka Brian Daly.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_00: Let's get into it.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_00: Hell dub.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, what up, B?
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go, man.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, that was a smooth transition from the intro clip, bro.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, hey, I'm doing good.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_00: That just gave me a little extra boost.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, look a little bit smoother than the Los Angeles Rams last weekend.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_00: Man, here you go.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_00: Bringing up that stuff for you up again, man.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_00: See, hey, y'all, if y'all don't know, Brian's a 49ers fan, so he's just finding ways to kind of throw salt on a wound.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, go ahead and drink your water out that Yeti, man.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what you go ahead, drink that water.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_00: All right, all right, man.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_00: But man, just for so everyone, thanks for joining us today.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_00: Man, Brian and I we just love to talk, chat.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_00: This is just really, we we don't really rehearse or script it too much.
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  SPEAKER_00: We got a general plan.
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  SPEAKER_00: We just jump in.
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  SPEAKER_00: So this is just a raw, real conversation.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_00: So let me just set it off with a quick prayer and then uh yeah, let's jump into it.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_00: So, God, thanks for his time to be with you, with our listeners.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_00: Help us to just have to gain something out of this conversation that gets us closer to you, but help us understand ourselves better and really focus on what's most important in life.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_00: In Jesus' name, I pray.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_00: Amen.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_01: Amen.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_00: The NBA season's just about to start.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_00: They just had their you know their media day things.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_00: What team are you most excited for this year?
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_01: Man, okay, I'm most excited for the Los Angeles Lakers.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_01: Here's why.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_01: They're always my favorite team.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_00: Let me interrupt.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_00: Is it because they're all Caucasians or no?
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_01: My favorite player is not Caucasian on the Lakers.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_01: Go ahead.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_01: Matisse Thaibel.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm most excited about Matisse.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I got the coach Matisse for two years when he was younger.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_01: And uh man, he's a stud on defense.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_01: And then that's always been my favorite team.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm excited to see how the Lakers look.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm excited to follow the Hawks, of course, with Coach Q.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then I saw Steph just sign again with Golden State.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_01: So it'll be interesting to see how the Thunder respond.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_01: How do the Spurs respond?
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_01: Is New York going to be good again?
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, bro, we could I I better stop, but I'm excited for the season, man.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, all those things.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_01: So, how about you?
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_00: There's layers, man.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: You know what's interesting?
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_00: This whole Anthony Edwards, I love him.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_00: I love his bravado, his confidence.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_00: He he wants to win.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_00: So it seems like he's put a lot of work in the offseason.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_00: I'm really curious about this wild car with Lamelo.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_00: So, so I think that's going to be interesting, fun, but we'll see.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_00: But um, yeah, of course, 76ers, they got a dream team, what it seems like, one through five, even six, seven.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_00: So curious to see what they do.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm just pumped, man.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I want to see what Zion does too, man.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_00: Come on, brother.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_00: You lost your contract with Jordan Brand.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, it's time to kind of be who you were created to be.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_00: He he he could be something special.
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  SPEAKER_00: I still believe in it.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_01: True, true.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so are you officially in support of the 76ers?
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_00: You know what?
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, for all right.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_00: So there's history to this.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_00: My guys make fun of me because I go where LeBron goes, or I I like the team that's winning, so I go with them.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, Trump card is to those that don't know, I grew up in Japan.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm free to choose who I want because there's no home team.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so you know what, bro?
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_00: I don't have someone that I'm following uh that closely this year for the first time.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't know.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_00: Giannis in Miami, I love Giannis, but that's I liked him in Milwaukee.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I like Klay, but he's in Miami now.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_00: So Kyrie.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so yeah, I don't know.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_00: I think I'm pulling for Kyrie this year, you know?
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_00: So we'll see.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_01: Sweet.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm officially off the the 76er bandwagon.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_01: If they lose every game, I'll be all right.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'll be happy.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_00: They got they got a lot of firepower, and I don't like how they did my boy Paul George, too.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_00: So there's a little bit I want Paul George to get his redemption.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_01: So Amen.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_00: All right, so bro, let's uh jump into it.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um full transparency.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_00: I gotta take my son to a soccer game.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_00: So let's go, man.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_00: Christian spiritual integration with sports.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_00: What do you do when you fail?
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_00: For example, like you missed the game, winner.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, it's on you, you lost it.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_00: You turn over the ball, that was a critical possession, you strike out.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_00: I was a baseball player.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um, or you're the pitcher, you give up the winning hit, and you miss through the ball.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_00: You get cut from a team, especially when you're high school, man.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_00: That hurts.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_00: You lose the championship.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, Brian, can you teach us and tell us what does faith look like the morning after?
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_01: Man, uh, so I love that question.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, we fail.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you remember the Jordan commercial.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_01: I fail, fail over and over.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_01: So because of that, I succeed.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I can think of a lot of times I failed.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_01: Bro, I think the the lowest time that I have ever been in sport from a personal failure is uh I was trying out for an AU team.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_01: This is right as AU teams were starting to get big.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_01: It was in Seattle, and um, I made it to the final tryout, and it was between me and this other guy.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I was in like eighth grade or ninth grade, and so you know, physically, like I didn't really start developing until junior year or high school.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_01: And uh so I was I was I was fortunate to be in the end of the tryout, but it was one of those teams that was paid for, travel paid for.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_01: You're going to Vegas, Chicago, LA, and man, I wanted to be on that team so bad.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_01: And so it was me and this other kid were going against each other, and they they you could tell, like the coaches couldn't tell.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_01: So we went for like an extra 45 minutes and we got matched up a bunch, and he was like he was more explosive, better ball handler.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_01: And so um, I I knew, like I knew at the end of it I was gonna get cut.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_01: And my dad, I remember my dad was there, we brought it in.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_01: I got cut, didn't make the team.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_01: I walked out, and uh I just started bawling, crying, man.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_01: And um, and so my dad, I think what was cool is my dad didn't give any excuses.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_01: So he didn't say like you should have made the team.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, he let me like hit my low point, tears, snot, you know, all that.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and then he he let me like struggle, and then I went home, and after I'd say a day, um, I quit baseball and I was like, I'm going all basketball and I'm I'm out for blood.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like I'm coming back with a vengeance, bro.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_01: So um I think I needed I needed to own it, no excuses.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_01: It was it was on me, and then I needed to sit in that so that it produced something, you know, it produced some hunger in me.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I remember like I was young, but I can remember like yesterday, the next game, it was like a week later.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_01: We played a team, I did not let their point guard get across half court for the first two minutes of the game.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I remember six six zero, three steals, three layups.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_01: They call a timeout, and I was like, Yeah, this is my new mind state, man.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm hungry.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_01: So I'd say that one right there.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_00: No, I appreciate that.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_00: You went to super sizing, as you know, Dragon Ball fans talk about.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: So hey, so um two things you said there.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_00: I love what you your dad let you feel what you need to feel.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't comfort you, minimize excuses, blame somebody.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: He just gave you that space, experience what you need to say, feel, and it sounds like you let that pain produce something inside of you, and it springboarded into like it it reshaped your thinking, reshaped who you are.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: So you're telling me, Brian, that failure can be used for good.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_01: I think if if especially if we don't if we allow ourselves to feel like if we bask in it for a minute, you know, if we bask in exactly what happened, we messed up, we were not good enough, we made that mistake, then I think it can lead to it can produce uh a hunger to change.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's so good, man.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, that's a great nugget.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, yeah, learn what you need to learn from failure.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_00: So say if man, I have a hard time.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_00: I for me, I can be somewhat of a perfectionist.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_00: I want to make sure I dot every I across every T that I'm excellent, that I do what the coach says or my manager says, I want to be excellent.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes it's hard when I fail or do something wrong, I really beat myself up, and then I can start feeling like a loser or whatever.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_00: I maybe take it too far.
• 9:02
  unknown: Yeah.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_00: For those that are like me and those that are listening, yeah, can you teach us, okay, how do we integrate faith in those moments where either we take it too far a failure, or we take too light of it, where we just avoid it, like you know what, forget, coach, or I'm gonna go out and party because I wanna not really deal with this and feel this.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_00: Coach how to handle that pain in the right way.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it does so it's it's really easy for me to make the connection of faith, right?
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_01: Is when we sin, we mess up, which I don't know if I'm getting ahead of you, but um, I I think that I mean it reminds me of um godly sorrow, 2 Corinthians 7.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: You know, um if if we are upset, if we are upset and sorrowful that we sin against God and we let that sink in, it can produce an eagerness to clear ourselves, you know, an indignation towards uh past behavior and sin.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's the same thing with sport, but I think one of the differences in faith and sport is gonna be in sport, it's like, well, you could quit, you know, you could quit.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to play.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you could quit the team.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_01: I think in faith, it's more I want to remember who I am.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_01: You know, if I'm I'm God's son, I've I'm committed to following Jesus.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: And so no matter what, when I take an L, I'm gonna remember who God says I am, and I'm going to be resilient in that.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I I don't want to skip any steps, you know.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: L, I mean to confess, if if there's times I have not allowed myself to be at the foot of the cross in sorrow, I usually don't change or repent.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and so I can't skip that I'm guilty.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um because if if I don't have that, it's like there's no room for grace.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_01: If I'm like, I'm good, I don't need it, I'm good, I'm good.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, oh, do you even need mercy and grace?
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so I think in faith, it's I want to remember who God says I am, and um, and that will allow me to respond and be resilient.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_00: I love that, man.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_00: You just helped crystallize something for me that if there's something that I'm not understanding, whether it's in my game that I play, the sport that I play, or even in my personal life, that means I need to take some more time to sit in it and find some truth.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_00: So, hey, I'm not understanding why coaches always get on me about running back on defense when I feel like I'm getting back on defense.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_00: Well, maybe you need to sit in that, understand it.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe there's something you're not understanding of how it's costing your team or costing whatever.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_00: So same thing with me.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, why am I losing my temper or why am I feeling letting these insecurities affect me so much?
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_00: Well, there's something that I need to take to the foot of the cross that I'm missing.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_00: So hence I need to feel I'm missing not just emotional feeling, but under something understanding something on the soul level.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a good way to put it.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it reminds me, uh, what you're saying reminds me of uh I worked the chains for the high school football game.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, no way, yeah.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_01: So I've been doing that.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_01: I'm learning football.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_01: I see how the coaches coach, like I'm listening and communications key and stuff.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_01: But that principle you're talking about, um, they were in a game and the offensive line was like struggling, right?
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: So they kept saying, We're good, we're good, we're good.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_01: And the coach was like, We're not good.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like we're bad right now.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_01: We can be good, but let's not say we're good.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_01: You know, there's something to be gained, there's something to be learned.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's a the part you're hitting on.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_01: There's some there's a nugget in there to grab hold of, you know.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and real quick, man, I'm just curious.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_00: We didn't, I didn't prep you on this question, but being the line guy, is there a temptation like, oh, I'm gonna just you know, hey, when it when it's fourth out for them?
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, let me make sure it's tight.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_01: Let me make sure.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_01: When it's fourth out for us, I'm like, all right, good.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's right there.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's right there.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_00: That's hilarious.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_00: No matter what role you're in, you're gonna feel something.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_00: But going back to your story, yeah, you're right.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_00: Like, um, yeah, honest assessment.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_00: Hence, we need coaches, we need someone to help us to see the truth, you know, see where we're really at.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_00: So um, can we end on with another question just based off of that and save what we wrote down here for next time?
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_00: So, just like a coach is so important to help you see the truth.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_00: All right, we're making assumptions here.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's a good coach, someone who cares about you, who knows the game.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_00: So, um, and then spiritually, the same thing.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_00: We need someone in our life to help us see the truth about who we are and where we're really at.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_00: Can you talk to us about the dangers, Brian, of if you don't have someone that's maybe you know, always got like in the NBA or really successful guys, always got guys gassing them up.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you the man, you the best, you ain't gotta listen to him.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_00: Whatever.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_00: What are the dangers of having of not having someone tell you the truth about who you really are and where you're really at?
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: I think I feel it from both angles.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I want to be that guy for other people, and I want that guy in my life, you know.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_01: So um, I think the danger, it's like if if the blind lead the blind, they both end up in a pit.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and so um there's this this window, it's called, I think it's called Johari's window.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_01: But it uh I'll put it in the show notes, but it it has this one window where it's this is what people see and what I see, and then it's this is what people see, but I don't see.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: And then one of the windows is this is what people don't see and I don't see.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's a blind spot, right?
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_01: So I want someone that can not only see my blind spots, but will talk to me about them.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I mean, right now that person's my wife, so after after my sermons, she gives me feedback, and so I have uh to confess I have a uh tendency in my sermon.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_01: I with the tone of my voice, I end the sermon with one line, and the crowd starts to clap, and then I do one more line.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's like every Sunday, bro.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: It'll be like conclusion, and people are like, and I'm like, bah they're like, you just ended it.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Katie's like, you always end it twice.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, so I think that's the skill, right?
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: Is will the person see that window of going, oh, that's a blind spot?
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_01: I see that, and I'm willing to share that with my brother or sister.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_00: Now I appreciate that, man.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you won't grow.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_00: There's blind spots you see, so there's some things you won't you'll never even catch yourself, even the most self-aware person, there's things you cannot catch yourself.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: It makes me think about Tom Brady, one of the greatest quarterbacks, right?
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_00: You watch so much film, but you still needed a Bill Belichick or someone else, you know, your wide receivers to tell you, hey man, I need blah blah blah blah blah or when I do this, yeah, because you can't see everything, it's impossible.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, yeah.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: So how important is to have someone in your life to help you see.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I love that.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_00: Help you see your failures, but then also give you space to feel your failures because that failure can produce in you something to help you be the best version of yourself, and that's yeah, bro, really exciting.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, bro.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: I think too, as athletes, for athletes out there, we we welcome that from film, we welcome that from coaches, hopefully, probably even teammates.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: So, do we welcome that with the same spirit from our brothers in the faith and our sisters in the faith?
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: Because if all I'm doing is oh, I want to be a good player, so I'll welcome that feedback.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_01: But when it comes to my faith, no one can tell me what to do, only God can judge me.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm missing out on so much more potential, so much more opportunity to be used by God because of my pride to not take coaching from someone that knows my life.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, Leo might be running right into the game, but you touched on something that's super important.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: So, Brian, you're a minister, you're actually getting another master's in sports and faith integration.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, for those who just jump in for the first time, Brian's a missionary.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: He left a dream job.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_00: I won't remind you because you told me not to keep bringing it up.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_00: He left some really opulent situations to move to boot.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: I got to sound a little more technical, you know.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: He left some great situations to give it up to, start a church in Pullman, which has been even a greater blessing.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: But where am I going with that?
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm just saying Brian's been in ministry over 10 uh a decade as a missionary.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so are you so you reference the scripture that only God can judge me?
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I see people with that tatted on them.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: I've studied the Bible people that say that.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: I reach out to people that say that.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: Are you telling me that that is not completely true or healthy here on earth?
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, God can judge us for heaven or hell, but while we're living on earth, if that's what you believe in, that's not healthy, and nor is that biblically accurate.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: I agree.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: And maybe we could start the next one off with the scripture about making a righteous judgment.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_01: You know, there's certain judgments that we're called to make, uh, and then there's really one we're not called to make.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so that would be great uh next time to start with that.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: Let's do that because you made a good point.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: If as an athlete I'm willing to watch film and have someone critique everything I do, hey, up screens, you need to go this way.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, why don't you run back?
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_00: The angle that you and we want that feedback, and then we go to a strength and condition coach, they give us feedback.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, your core is blah, blah, blah.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, you're you know, you don't accelerate.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_00: But why don't we do that?
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_00: Why don't we welcome that spiritually?
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, bro.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: So true.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, if we want to be real too, and you and I can relate to this stuff, you know, we're not above any of this, but it's yeah, who's gonna um who's gonna be willing to take coaching?
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like, hey, you shouldn't curse.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_01: Will we take that?
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, hey, you shouldn't sleep with your girl before you're married.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_01: You know, will that be received?
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, you shouldn't cheat on that test.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, you shouldn't, you know, all those things when it comes to when it comes to playing, oh yeah, give it to me.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: But oh, someone's questioning that.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, you should read your Bible more.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like, who are you, you know?
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, we gotta have the same spirit to be coached, you know, same spirit to be open to being our best for God.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, hey, so next week, tune in, guys.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_00: This is gonna, I feel like it's gonna be a good talk.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: Judgment next week.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: Judgment, yeah.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: We can play too much.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, good luck to Leo.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_00: Good luck to Leo, man.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: Love you, bro.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_00: Love you too.