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Paul Blair: IRS Admits Pastors, Churches CAN Endorse Candidates · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  So I want to bring in today's guest and I want to read something before I get to Paul
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  Blair.
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  This is from the Oklahoma and the headline is, the IRS says, church leaders can endorse
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  candidates.
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  Oh, my goodness, we knew this a long time ago, right, Paul?
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  So it says an Edmund pastor ignored the criticism he received when he participated in an initiative
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  that encouraged ministers to endorse political candidates from their pulpits.
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  His critics back in the 2000s warned Paul Blair that his Liberty Baptist church would lose
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  its tax exempt status with the IRS.
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  But Blair said he broke no rule.
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  And now he's going to say, I told you so because a recent court filing in which the IRS stated
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  the houses of worship, worship churches can, can, can endorse political candidates to their
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  congregation without running the risk of losing their tax exempt status as nonprofits.
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  We knew that.
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  Let's bring in Paul Blair with Liberty Pastors, brother.
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  Thanks for your time today.
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  Good to see you.
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  How many times have you said I told you so now?
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  Well, David, I have to admit, it didn't feel good to know that everything we've been
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  saying for the last 20 years was proven to be accurate to these journalists that I've
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  had relationships with for just that long.
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  You know, 20 years ago, I think they looked at me and thought I was crazy, but I told
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  them all along that this was legal.
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  We had every right to do so.
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  And in fact, it was those same journalists that I've had relationships with in Oklahoma
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  for these two decades when the first was to call and ask for comment.
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  And I was only, I was only happy to tell them that the law had not changed.
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  The IRS finally admitted what we had said all along that, obviously, the parent attacks
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  as court justices in our early history acknowledge is the power to control and even to destroy.
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  And the state was to have no control over the church.
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  The church is to be able to speak freely and proclaim morality and truth and righteousness
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  boldly into the culture.
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  And if we were able to be taxed by the federal government and we spoke something contrary
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  to what the government was doing, then they'd be capable of destroying it.
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  So this has always been the way churches have never been subject to taxation in the United
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  States of America.
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  And it was nice that that's now public record by the IRS.
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  We'll see if many pastors are affected by it.
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  Quite frankly, I think many of these guys like to hide behind it and don't want to be controversial.
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  Yeah.
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  My sense is this is a great headline, but I don't think a lot of pastors are going to suddenly
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  start talking about, quote, political issues.
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  And Paul Blair, that is part of the problem, isn't it, that so many people pastors and
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  laypeople, Christians have been duped into believing wrongly that you can't talk about
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  quote, political issues.
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  We're talking about biblical morality.
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  For example, abortion is not a political issue.
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  And the Bible has a lot to say about life, preborn life and mother's womb, but pastors
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  and Christians have been back and away from that.
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  That's why we have plant parenthood businesses closing down and yet abortion is increasing.
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  So there's a demand and that's by people believe, it's a political issue, we can't talk
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  about it.
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  Would you care to share anything about that?
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  Well, David, statistically, there are some 335,000 churches across the United States
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  of America.
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  Now, we get the wrong idea sometimes.
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  They're not all mega churches.
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  As a matter of fact, the vast majority of churches have less than 65 adults.
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  So these aren't monstrous entities.
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  However, we have a body of Christ across the United States.
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  And when you look at the moral temperature of our country, you can recognize that we
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  haven't done a very good job.
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  And we see 70 million babies that have been murdered inside their mother's womb since 1973.
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  Right now, we see this debate, which has just come about in the last 10 years.
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  Think about it.
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  10 years ago, even Barack Obama, when he was running for re-election, or excuse me, I guess
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  15 years ago, when he was running for re-election, he made the statement that he believed in traditional
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  merits.
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  And then, of course, we see the Obergefell decision, which was unconstitutional act by the
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  Supreme Court, which hopefully will now be reversed.
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  I know Matt Stammer is on that one.
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  In 10 years, we've gone from this idea of the court illegally granting same-sex marriage
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  to now.
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  We have gender mutilation and indoctrination in our schools.
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  And we see children that are being irreversibly ruined with surgeries and hormone replacement
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  therapies.
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  And all of this is going on under our watch.
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  So the reality is, most pastors get the idea that we're not supposed to be controversial.
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  And quite frankly, none of us enjoy controversy.
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  None of us like to be in arguments.
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  However, when there is great evil going on, someone needs to stand against an end point
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  to the truth.
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  And when you look at the history of the church, as a matter of fact, look at our Lord and
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  Savior.
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  You know, Jesus is the most controversial person that ever walked the face of the plant.
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  And quite frankly, the history of the church has been one of controversy.
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  The Apostle Paul, going through the book of Acts, everywhere he went, usually a riot
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  broke out or he wound up in prison or being chased out of town.
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  So the idea that the church is not supposed to be controversial and not supposed to take
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  on these very important but tough issues is just wrong.
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  And hopefully, now, more pastors will recognize that there is no threat from the IRS.
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  And quite frankly, if they were conned by that in the first place, that sand.
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  But at least now, there's no more excuse to where they can say, oh, we can't talk about
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  such a subject.
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  Jesus is Lord of all.
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  We're supposed to, as disciple makers, disciple our flocks in every area of life and culture
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  from a biblical perspective.
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  So that's our job.
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  There's nothing off limits.
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  It's not Jesus is the Lord of Sundays only or Sunday morning.
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  And then the rest of the life we live on our own, Jesus is Lord of all.
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  And everything that we do should reflect his character and glorify him.
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  That's right.
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  And like you said, nothing has changed with this new headline.
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  The IRS just said, yeah, pastors can endorse, but you've been doing that.
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  And I hope that more pastors will, I think it's going to take time.
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  But I want to segue briefly, we'll come back to this because it's still a big topic with
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  the IRS and that we'll talk about the Johnson Amendment.
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  I want to talk about where you are this week and you are in Williamsburg, Virginia, August
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  18 through the 21st, Liberty pastors training camp.
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  This is one of the solutions to the things we're talking about, getting pastors equipped
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  so they can go back and boldly speak the truth and equip their congregations.
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  Tell us about Liberty pastors training camps we got, Virginia, Florida, and then Michigan.
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  Go ahead, Paul.
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  Well, the reason we're in Virginia this time, David, is because of a very important issue
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  that's upcoming there.
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  And again, this is a perfect example of what we were just talking about.
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  The state of Virginia is considering an amendment to their state constitution, which would greatly
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  liberalize their rules on abortion.
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  In fact, if the Constitution of Virginia is amended, it will make Virginia a destination
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  state where people from all across the country will fly in for easy abortions at all stages.
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  The state of Florida just fought this off within this last year successfully.
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  But that's why we are in Virginia.
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  We're working with the Virginia Family Foundation to try to awaken the pastors in Virginia as
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  to just watch on the line with this upcoming election.
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  And sadly, there may have at one time been some degree of debate between whether you're
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  following Christ as a Democrat or a Republican.
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  But that's not true anymore.
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  It's not simply talking about what tax rate you pay or what level of encroachment to the
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  civil government have in one's life.
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  Now it's a situation of purely good versus purely evil.
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  I mean, there is one party that sets the party of no holds bars, no holds barred sexual
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  immorality.
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  There's one party that wants to indoctrinate our children into sexual insecurity and get
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  them to question whether God actually was correct in creating them a male or female
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  and to mutilate their bodies or take gender permanent damaging drugs that they can never
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  recover from.
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  I mean, we've got a same-sex marriage on the ballot.
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  We've got abortion all about all these things are cut and dried, crystal clear, from a biblical
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  perspective.
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  And so now there's a situation in Virginia where they've got a slight edge in their
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  or their legislature, 51 to 49 Democrats are Republican.
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  And the truth is our goal is to flip that because the Republicans have become the party
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  that reflects life and at least to some degree, sexual morality, and obviously Fox News
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  and the Republican Party is not going to leave the fight on restoring sexuality into how
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  God designed it in pureness and holiness.
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  That's going to be the body of Christ.
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  And we're going to have to step up on that one.
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  But if Virginia can flip the legislature to where it's a majority of Republican control,
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  then they will be able to stave off this amendment, which again will cost tens of thousands,
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  if not hundreds of thousands of innocent lives there in Virginia as it will become a destination
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  state for the sin of offering our children to the gods of Molek, Bail and Asterov.
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  I want to emphasize the fact that so people don't understand what happens.
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  These pastors and their wives can attend these training camps, their hotels are paid for.
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  They just need to get down there and you've got Virginia, you've got Florida, and you've
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  got Michigan, and you always have these in strategic states and locations where something
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  important is coming up in election or you have them in swing states like you have.
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  And friends, this is so important, please get your pastor this information.
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  The website is LibertyPastorsU.com, that's LibertyPastorsU.com.
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  Paul, there's so much history.
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  We're going to have to take a brief pause here in a minute, but when we come back, I think
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  I'd like you to share a little bit of the history on the black rule of regiment.
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  People forget how influential pastors have been in America and that we might not have
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  in America the way we know it now, if it weren't for pastors.
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  So we'll be right back with Paul Blair on World View Matters.
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  Paul, let's talk about, there's so many things I wanted to ask you, and this is going
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  by way too fast with you, before we get to some history, and that's very important to
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  talk about, would you feel comfortable sharing your health battle?
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  What happened to you when you were in DC earlier this year?
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  This is amazing.
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  You texted me when I sent you an email or I texted you and you were in the hospital,
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  and the next Sunday you're back in the pulpit, no cloma.
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  Would you please explain what happened?
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  Well my wife will attest to my stubbornness and refuse to stop.
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  We happened to me in Washington, DC, we were attending the Council for National Policy
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  meetings, which we are members of, and it was on a Saturday morning, and we were getting
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  ready to head to the airport, and I'd been up for a couple hours, was in a good mood,
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  felt good, we packed them, we're literally 10 minutes away from walking out the door.
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  And just suddenly, over the course of about 15 seconds, I went from feeling perfectly fine
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  to where I could not breathe, and the left side in my left lung just hurt with excruciating
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  pain.
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  As much pain as I have ever dealt with, and of course being next athlete, having gone through
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  a lot of surgeries, and having a lot of health issues from football, I can deal with pain,
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  but this was excruciating.
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  And to make a long story short, we wound up spending a week at Fairfax Hospital and some
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  of the best care superior doctors, I mean, truly there was a Romans 828 moment, I see
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  why it happened there.
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  And they wound up diagnosing it as a double pneumonia with pleuricy in my left lung, and
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  they wound up draining over three liters, you know what a two liter bottle of poplux
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  light, they drained three liters of bloody fluid off of my left lung.
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  So it was a very painful week.
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  This problem comes from my throat cancer that I had six years ago where I have a tendency
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  of getting pneumonia, but at the time I thought I was having a heart attack, and quite frankly
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  that's one of the things that puzzles the doctor, because pneumonia generally comes on slowly,
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  and you can kind of feel it creeping up on you.
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  This was just absolutely sudden.
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  As a matter of fact, Cindy and I had worked out in the gym at the hotel the day before,
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  and I had done 30 minutes of the elliptical, I was having no problems with my breathing.
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  But if anything, at that moment when I was in the ambulance, by the way, I've had two
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  ambulance rides this year, the only two ambulance rides in my life have been now at the age
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  of 62, so I guess the warranty has expired and things are followed apart now.
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  But if there's one thing that was at peace, I mean, I was working so hard to try to breathe,
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  and I was just so tired that I was ready to stop trying, because my lungs just weren't
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  functioning, and I was desperately trying to breathe in air.
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  And with each breath, I was trying to relay something to my wife.
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  I was trying to tell her what to do and where to go, and where we had everything and who
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  to call, and make sure and tell her how much I loved her, and to make sure and tell her
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  how much I loved my children, and I wouldn't recommend anybody that's watching this.
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  Take time and write out a letter of everything that you need to tell your spouse and your
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  kids, whether it be personally and emotionally, whether it be about the Lord, your walk
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  with the Lord, I encourage you to do that, because it'll be a blessing to your kids.
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  But also, you know, when the bills are paying, where your money is in the banks and stock
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  market, everything that you might want to tell them, make sure and write it down so that
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  you're not trying to desperately get that out before you breathe your last breath.
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  But the wonderful thing, David, is I literally thought I was going to die, because I just
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  was so tired of trying to breathe, and I just couldn't, I was exhausted.
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  I mean, it was worse than running windsprints or anything else than they put us to a football.
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  I was just so tired from trying to draw the next breath that I was done.
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  I just couldn't work out the energy and do it.
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  And the wonderful thing about that, there's a bright side, is that I was at perfect peace.
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  You know, when you go through a minute like that, and time is very slow at that point.
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  And everything is very vivid.
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  And you know, after trying to communicate with my wife and convey my love and my wishes
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  to her, you know, they thought, cross as your mind was, well, am I ready?
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  Is there anything?
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  And it's like, yeah, I'm ready.
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  I know Jesus is my Lord and Savior, and I was at perfect peace.
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  And the things I was thinking about was my grand babies, which is one thing I just treasure
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  and my kids and my wife.
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  So, you know, that was a pretty interesting experience.
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  We spent a painful, real good hospital.
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  And so that's the story.
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  Well, I was shocked, well, maybe not too shocked to see you back in the pulpit the following Sunday already.
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  I was going, you're kidding because I was texting Val back and forth.
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  But Paul, we're thankful that the Lord has not done with you yet.
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  There's more territory to be retaken.
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  So let's talk about where we were in America now in the early days, late 1700s,
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  and with the black robe regiment and pastors, because we've forgotten a lot of the history.
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  And they certainly don't teach that in the government schools anymore.
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  So could you please condense that for us?
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  Well, remember these guys that were part of the great awakening.
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  It was their fathers and grandfathers that had come out of the tail end of the dark ages
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  and came into the Reformation.
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  So tyranny was fresh on their mind.
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  And what we don't understand, because we've never had to face it,
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  is before a tyrant can gain control over your body,
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  he must first gain control over your mind.
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  Otherwise, you're going to fight him over everything.
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  So in every case of tyranny, whenever a tyrant rises to power,
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  the first thing they do is they want to take over education.
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  Because somebody may not never be able to convince me to do wrong,
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  or convince me about the proct called climate change.
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  For an example, or man-made climate change,
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  something that we're facing in our day and age.
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  You know, good luck with that.
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  I've done the research. I know better.
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  But heavens, I mean, I'll die off in 10 years and they won't have to worry about me.
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  But if they can get control of the education,
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  then they can train my children to believe whatever they want to do.
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  So in every tyranny, they go after the kids first.
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  And then the next thing is they go after the control of information,
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  the free flow of information.
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  You know, you're sitting there in your studio.
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  I'm sitting here in Orlando today.
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  I have no firsthand experience of anything that's going on anywhere in the country
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  outside of our condominium, because I'm not a firsthand observer.
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  So both you and studio and me here are going to have to trust some new source
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  as to be truthful and to present us the facts.
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  And whatever they present to us, and in the way they present them to us,
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  we'll change our response.
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  We might be angry and ready to run out of here with piss forks,
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  or we might be in good moods.
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  Oh, well, that's wonderful news.
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  So the media, a free media is critical in any tyrannical society.
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  And then here's the last piece.
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  Our founding fathers understood the civil liberty and religious liberty go hand in hand.
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  Who, he who controls the church will control the people.
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  That was the problem in the dark ages.
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  They didn't want people reading the Bible for themselves.
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  They went in a fear hill and fear God and be subject to them.
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  Plus, if you're controlling the morality factor,
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  then nothing the state does is wrong,
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  because the state church is saying that whatever the state's doing has to be right.
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  Those were the factors that affected our founding fathers.
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  And one of the things that we hear about, you know,
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  tax ace without representation,
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  that certainly was a part of the Declaration of Independence.
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  But the final straw was what was called the Declaratory Act.
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  When the king of England rolled back the tea tax,
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  a roll back some of the stamp taxes and some of the other taxes,
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  but issued this Declaratory Act,
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  which basically made him sovereign over everything, including religion.
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  And John Willispoon, our excuse me, George Winfield,
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  one of the leading lights of the first reign awakening,
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  wrote a letter to the pastors in North America
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  warning them of what was to come.
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  And what was to come was the reestablishment of the Church of England
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  over the 13 colonies.
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  So that was religious freedom that was getting ready to be lost.
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  And remember, why the pilgrims came here to begin with?
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  Why the Puritans came here to begin with?
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  You know, much of it was religious liberty.
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  The freedom to worship God without being under the boot
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  of the Anglican Church.
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  That's right.
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  So understand, that was the threat and the pastors got it.
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  They knew where this was headed.
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  This was heading towards absolute tyranny
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  rather than the freedom that they had enjoyed
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  in these 13 British colonies.
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  And it was the writings of the pastors
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  that motivated and educated our founding fathers.
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  Matter of fact, the very first meeting
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  of the first Continental Congress in Philadelphia,
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  when 56 men from across the colonies met for the first time,
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  you know, John Adams, Sam Adams, George Washington, Patrick Henry,
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  John Zayn, these heroes of Americana.
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  First time they'd ever met face-to-face
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  was in Carpenter's Old Philadelphia
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  and they began Congress with a two-hour prayer meeting
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  and Bible study because they begged God for deliverance.
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  They begged God for direction.
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  And of course, the famous first shot heard round the world
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  after Paul Revere's ride was in a churchyard in Lexington.
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  And the militia of Lexington, the 77 men
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  that faced off against some 700 British redcoats
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  and the first shots fired for independence,
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  was led by the pastor of the church
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  in Lexington, Jonas Clark, and his deacon,
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  who was a retired captain from the Indian Wars
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  amending John Parker.
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  So literally every part of America
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  and the reason we are exceptional or have been exceptional
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  is to the degree that we were built on a fear and love of God
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  and trying to do things God's way.
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  Obviously, anytime man's involved, we're gonna make mistakes
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  and America has made it, shared mistakes,
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  but generally, after a few decades, we will correct.
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  That's where the pulpit comes in, we will of course correct.
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  And we have seen that dance over the last 250 years.
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  And David, this is a great year.
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  We must remember that phrase in the Declaration of Independence
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  that stayed in the reason that we are free,
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  the laws of nature and nature's God.
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  America does not determine what right and wrong is
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  by a vote of the people.
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  America was built on the laws of nature and nature's God,
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  which was a legal term in the 1750s that meant the holy minor.
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  America was established on God's principles of what truth is
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  and what right and wrong is.
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  So we absolutely are a Judeo-Christian country.
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  What's the definition of family?
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  Well, the Bible says, one man, one woman raised her children
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  and nurtured them in the issue of the law.
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  Do you have a right to private property?
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  Absolutely.
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  Do we should be having a press of government and taxation?
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  Absolutely not.
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  Whose responsibility is to raise the children?
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  Moms and dads raised their children.
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  What about sexuality?
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  Sex and dirty word?
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  Nope.
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  God created it as a gift to be held in holiness between a husband
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  and his wife, only period.
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  We have an absolute biblical foundation in the world of you
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  and our country doesn't work unless we remember that
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  and return to that.
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  And this year we celebrate the 250th.
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  It's all about trying to remind people what that truth is.
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  Amen, brother.
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  And you're doing a great job with Liberty Pastors.
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  Obviously, you think there's hope.
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  You think there's still time.
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  Otherwise, you wouldn't be doing what you're doing.
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  I seem to see less than a minute left in the program today
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  but I seem to see a shift at least spiritually.
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  More, even the younger generation,
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  more interested in spiritual things.
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  We see it in the government and in media.
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  We see it just slightly.
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  But there's so much work to be done.
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  Paul, thank you.
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  I want to give the website again, Liberty Pastors.
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  You, the letter u.com.
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  We appreciate you putting on these camps.
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  Enjoy your weekend in Virginia.
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  And Lord willing, we'll do this again.
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  Thank you for all you do.
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  And thank you for your voice out there.
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  God bless your brother.
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  Thank you, David.
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  So, friends, again, please get this information
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  to your pastor LibertyPastors u.com.
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  They go to these events.
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  There are three, four days.
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  You get in a really nice hotel.
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  Your meals are paid for for both you and your wife.
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  You just got to get down there and you get great training.
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  Biblical worldview.
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  And it will help you be bold and equip your congregations
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  if you're a pastor.
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  Thanks, friends, for watching, listening,
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  sharing the podcast.
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  God bless you.
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  And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.