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Hutton & Withrow: LSU Backs Down in SEC Showdown, Western Michigan Fights Back & Defiant Dabo | Hour 1 · Hutton & Withrow Show

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  Speaker 1: We are out of the gates on Sporting State. He
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  Speaker 1: is Chad Withrow. I'm Jonathan Hutton. This is Hutton and
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  Speaker 1: Withrow at SportingState.com and on YouTube and across the social
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  Speaker 1: media platforms. Glad you're with us live each and every
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  Speaker 1: morning here at SportingState.com. Chad, big show today. John McClain,
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  Speaker 1: the man in black himself, will join us a little
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  Speaker 1: bit later in today's program, about an hour and a
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  Speaker 1: half from right now. We're here for the next two hours.
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  Speaker 1: A lot to discuss. Good morning.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning, Hutton. We've got primary complaint. We've got a
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  Speaker 2: top ten list coming from you. We did worst vibes
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  Speaker 2: in college football today. We're all about positivity on this show.
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  Speaker 2: It's about best vibes today on the show. And now,
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  Speaker 2: in lieu of Western Michigan, I feel like I want
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  Speaker 2: to find something where I can just say, you know what,
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  Speaker 2: we're not leaving. Upon further investigation, you were wrong, we
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  Speaker 2: were right, and we are prepared to sue or go
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  Speaker 2: after what is ours. Bravo, Western Michigan. Maction is back, baby.
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  Speaker 1: We're back.
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  Speaker 2: Western Michigan no longer bowing down to the Big Ten
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  Speaker 2: in Michigan. They know they were screwed. The world knows
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  Speaker 2: they were screwed. The only ones who don't believe it
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  Speaker 2: are Heather Denich and Michigan fans. Everyone else knows the truth, Hutton.
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  Speaker 2: Western Michigan won that football game. There aren't two clocks.
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  Speaker 2: There is one clock. We have people on this call
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  Speaker 2: right now with us that work in TV trucks that
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  Speaker 2: are around scoreboards and clocks all the time in an
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  Speaker 2: official capacity, they'll be the first to tell you there's
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  Speaker 2: no mystery second clock. There is one clock out there.
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  Speaker 2: Western Michigan knows it.
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  Speaker 1: We know it.
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  Speaker 2: Deep down, Michigan knows it. The Big Ten totally screwed
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  Speaker 2: the Broncos.
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  Speaker 1: And then there's the SEC, Lane Kiffin, and LSU with
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  Speaker 1: plenty to discuss on that. If Let's set up this
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  Speaker 1: discussion about both Western Michigan and Maction and the SEC
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  Speaker 1: and LSU with this story, this backstory of us. And
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  Speaker 1: if you're not a day one season ticket holder, you
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  Speaker 1: can call yourself one after knowing the story. Chad, there's
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  Speaker 1: a phrase, these guys don't want to fight. I'd like
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  Speaker 1: you to tell the backstory because you were there to
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  Speaker 1: witness this with Keith Bullock. And this will tie in
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  Speaker 1: with a question that I will ask. Do these guys
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  Speaker 1: really want to fight? And I will try to be
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  Speaker 1: Keith Bullock in this situation and determine which side wants
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  Speaker 1: to fight and which side doesn't. Why did Keith say
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  Speaker 1: that one night? So, Hutton, we love a good real-life
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  Speaker 1: story that ties into what's going on with whatever we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about, right? So I was at a very swanky
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  Speaker 1: Christmas party. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, the Honorable Brad Lampley was at this party also.
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  Speaker 2: Later after this point became our agent.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how. A good buddy of mine who
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  Speaker 1: will remain nameless. Good. Everybody's having a good time at
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  Speaker 1: the party. His name was J.T.? Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Jordan Tinkle was the young man's name.
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  Speaker 1: No, it was not JT.
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  Speaker 2: But a good buddy of mine was friends with a
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  Speaker 2: really good buddy of mine that you know very well.
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  Speaker 1: I'm good friends with him now. I'm on a group
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  Speaker 1: text with him every day. Great guy. Okay. Wonderful guy.
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  Speaker 2: They are leaving the party. I think we end up
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  Speaker 2: staying after our wives left. So, you know, the drinks
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  Speaker 2: happened and some things, you know, things.
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  Speaker 1: Were getting a little wild.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we're going to Uber home.
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  Speaker 2: So we go out to the front of this swanky
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  Speaker 2: house in Bellmead, a great neighborhood in Nashville, and we're
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  Speaker 2: waiting on our Uber. Well, there is some sort of
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  Speaker 2: dispute over whose Uber is who. And there's a couple
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  Speaker 2: waiting on an Uber.
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  Speaker 1: As if this is Vegas. It's just like Vegas. You know,
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  Speaker 1: every car looks the same. And granted, like. My buddy
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  Speaker 1: was over-served. Just hops in this Uber. The guy's like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, get out. This is for me and my
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  Speaker 1: wife or girlfriend or whoever it was. Like, we're getting
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  Speaker 1: in this Uber.
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  Speaker 2: And he just kind of sits there defiantly like I'm
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  Speaker 2: not getting out of the Uber. So this guy physically
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  Speaker 2: removes my buddy from the Uber. And in doing so,
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  Speaker 2: my buddy lunges at this guy.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we didn't know.
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  Speaker 2: At the time that this guy was an Army Ranger.
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  Speaker 2: that had served to us. Not that you should be
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  Speaker 2: starting a fight with anyone randomly anywhere you are, but
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  Speaker 2: as my buddy, who's a large man, a big, big guy,
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  Speaker 2: lunges at this guy, the Army Ranger proceeds to just
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  Speaker 2: go to town on my buddy.
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  Speaker 1: His girlfriend's trying to pull him off. I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: get in the middle of it.
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  Speaker 2: In the midst of getting in the middle of this,
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  Speaker 2: I get thrown into some shrubbery in the front of
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  Speaker 2: the house. I just kind of lose my balance, go
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  Speaker 2: in the back. I'm like, I'm not stopping this because
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  Speaker 2: at this point, it's the Army Ranger and his buddy
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  Speaker 2: versus my bigger friend, right?
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  Speaker 1: So I go inside of the nice, swanky house in Bellmead.
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  Speaker 2: And one thing I know about, because I just got
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  Speaker 2: done talking to him, was Keith Bullock is also at
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  Speaker 2: this party.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, Keith's a buddy. He's got my back.
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  Speaker 1: So I run in. I'm, Keith, Keith, Keith, come on out.
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  Speaker 1: We need help. We need help. We need help. Please
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  Speaker 1: come on out. Help my buddy.
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  Speaker 2: There's a fight going on. By the time we get
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  Speaker 2: back out there, it has settled. And everything's kind of calmer.
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  Speaker 2: My buddy's bloodied and bruised. And they're getting in their
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  Speaker 2: Uber and leaving.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Keith just pokes his head out, ready to go, but
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  Speaker 2: then walks out and looks around, surveys the situation, and says, nah, man,
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  Speaker 2: they don't want to fight. And then just walks right
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  Speaker 2: back to his cocktail and back into the party. And
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  Speaker 2: that was that. So Hutton, whenever we say they don't
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  Speaker 2: want to fight.
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  Speaker 1: They don't want to fight.
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  Speaker 2: They don't want to fight. That's in reference to the
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  Speaker 2: great Keith Bullock at that party.
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  Speaker 1: So I feel like waking up or last night, yesterday evening,
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  Speaker 1: Seeing the Attorney General take shots at Greg Sankey. You've
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  Speaker 1: got the MAC going after the Big Ten and what
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  Speaker 1: happened with Michigan. Of course, Western Michigan involved in all
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  Speaker 1: of that. LSU releasing the video saying it's the Lane
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  Speaker 1: Kiffin era, right as you have the announcement from the
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  Speaker 1: SEC that they're amending their lawsuit, which could include and
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  Speaker 1: will include a vote, where I believe they need two-thirds
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  Speaker 1: to kick LSU out of the conference. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: I'm Bullitt going, these guys really don't want to fight.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know which side doesn't want the fight.
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  Speaker 1: LSU has been praying for this. They've been wanting to fight.
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  Speaker 1: Or is it just the action of looking like that?
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  Speaker 1: And then there's the SEC. Do they really want to
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  Speaker 1: kick LSU out of the conference? Or is it just
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  Speaker 1: the action that goes with it? They don't really want
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  Speaker 1: the fight. I wonder which side is your buddy, who
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  Speaker 1: will remain... remain nameless, and which side is the former
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  Speaker 1: Army Ranger, but nobody really knows that he can kick
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  Speaker 1: everyone's ass in the building. I'm trying to figure out
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  Speaker 1: who's playing the role of faking it until you make it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I know who's playing the role of faking it.
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  Speaker 2: It's Lane Kiffin and LSU. They're the ones who relented.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they have bowed down to the authority, which
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  Speaker 2: I have said throughout they're going to have to do
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  Speaker 2: at some point. If they continue this fight, I believe
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  Speaker 2: the SEC was serious that if they decided to roster
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  Speaker 2: those two players, there was a real chance they were
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  Speaker 2: going to get voted out of the conference. There's a
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  Speaker 2: couple different things going on here, Hutton. They are trying
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  Speaker 2: to push through, and they have to be united on this,
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  Speaker 2: the ability in their bylaws to enforce them as a conference.
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  Speaker 1: Why?
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  Speaker 2: Because they don't want to be lumped into the NCAA
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  Speaker 2: on everything. They don't want to be a part of
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  Speaker 2: every lawsuit the time the NCAA gets sued. But they
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  Speaker 2: have to be united on their own rules to do
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  Speaker 2: that because we know eventually these conferences will break away.
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  Speaker 2: LSU and Lane Kiffin were undermining the SEC's ability to
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  Speaker 2: do what they know they eventually have to do, which
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  Speaker 2: is break away from the NCAA and be their own entity.
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  Speaker 2: They're going against the Protect College Sports Act, which we
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  Speaker 2: all know everybody's behind in the SEC.
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  Speaker 1: Nick Saban... himself is cutting spots that are running during
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  Speaker 1: National College football games. But Saban's also for LSU and Kiffin, though,
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  Speaker 1: at the same time. I don't think anybody's for LSU
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  Speaker 1: and Kiffin. I don't know where that's– I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: watch College Game Day.
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  Speaker 2: I know that they're always buddy-buddy with Kiffin because they know,
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  Speaker 2: but it's all about, now let's get to football, let's
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  Speaker 2: do this. I don't think anybody there is like, you
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  Speaker 2: know what, we should open the door to NFL players
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  Speaker 2: to come back in college.
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  Speaker 1: Universally, no one likes that.
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  Speaker 2: Even Kiffin himself in the beginning was like– I mean,
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  Speaker 2: his response is somebody's going to do it.
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  Speaker 1: But I guess I would say, we'll get back to Saban.
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  Speaker 1: My point on Saban is, hey, this guy doesn't want
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  Speaker 1: to fight because he's not even speaking on behalf of it,
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  Speaker 1: one side or the other. So we'll put him in
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  Speaker 1: that category. The SEC, though, Chad, why would you? To me,
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  Speaker 1: it's also benefiting LSU if they're just going to go
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  Speaker 1: independent or the Big Ten jumps in and wants them.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, because we're going to have a super conference
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  Speaker 1: in a few years anyway, right? I mean, that's the
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  Speaker 1: perception I have of this. You're ending up pairing with
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  Speaker 1: them anyway down the road. Do they really want to
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  Speaker 1: kick them out, or is this just part of the
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  Speaker 1: provision of amending a lawsuit?
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  Speaker 2: Well, they don't have to kick them out now because
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  Speaker 2: they're not going to do it. They've added their roster
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  Speaker 2: to 105, so they've excluded without making a big statement
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  Speaker 2: about it. They've withdrawn all ability to add the former
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  Speaker 2: pro players. That was the point of contention with the SEC.
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  Speaker 2: The SEC is the winner here. They won this fight.
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  Speaker 2: They threatened, they threatened, they threatened. Then the reports come
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  Speaker 2: out yesterday from Ross Dellinger and everyone else that says
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  Speaker 2: they are going to take a vote on Thursday. They're
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  Speaker 2: already suing LSU and Lane Kiffin. Now I believe that
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  Speaker 2: lawsuit will eventually be retracted or go away because LSU
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  Speaker 2: is going to do.
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  Speaker 1: What they want. But they're saying.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to vote to remove you from the conference.
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  Speaker 2: At some point, Wade Roos or whoever it is or
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  Speaker 2: somebody at LSU or somebody in the government would have
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  Speaker 2: to be the smarter one.
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  Speaker 1: And say, guys, it is not worth it.
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  Speaker 2: You just beat Clemson 51 to 10. You shouldn't have
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  Speaker 2: been going down this road to begin with. And maybe
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  Speaker 2: we backed you in the beginning, but we have to
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  Speaker 2: do what's right for the entire school. And not just
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  Speaker 2: let Lane Kiffin be petty and say, you can't tell
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  Speaker 2: me what to do. We had John Talti on and
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  Speaker 2: said the biggest part of it is Lane Kiffin does
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  Speaker 2: not like to be told no. But if he's going
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  Speaker 2: to do something, he doesn't want to be scolded by media.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't want to be scolded by anybody in the SEC.
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  Speaker 2: Even Greg Sankey, who he said he has a pretty
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  Speaker 2: good relationship with, actually.
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  Speaker 1: But he doesn't want to be told no by anyone,
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  Speaker 1: by his own school or anyone else. Now, let me
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  Speaker 1: jump in on this. Is this about Kiffin then, or LSU,
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  Speaker 1: or is this about state government with the attorney general,
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  Speaker 1: congressman going at Sankey, calling him the guy who took
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  Speaker 1: the stand who wouldn't ask simple questions. I think this
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  Speaker 1: is also about Sankey being put on the stand for
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  Speaker 1: three hours and asked questions by judges. And you've got
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  Speaker 1: all this going on when ultimately these guys don't want
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  Speaker 1: to fight. Was it grandstanding? Is this just political maneuvering
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  Speaker 1: to make someone look like they're in power when they're
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  Speaker 1: not that kind of thing. I think it's also about
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  Speaker 1: Greg Sankey doesn't want to be embarrassed. He never is.
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  Speaker 1: Sankey's always in charge. And you know, on that day, he's,
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  Speaker 1: he's not pleading the fifth, but according to the attorney general,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to pull up the quotes. She's saying like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we got somebody who's leading the conference who
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  Speaker 1: won't answer questions about knowing the rules. No one ever
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  Speaker 1: says that about Greg Sankey, but it's not the conference
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  Speaker 1: doing it. It's not Kiffin. Of course it's, It's the government.
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  Speaker 1: I just find that part fascinating when the news came
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  Speaker 1: out and the fact that LSU or Kiffin didn't roster
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  Speaker 1: the players last weekend, but we have the amendment come
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  Speaker 1: out today for a vote on Thursday.
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  Speaker 2: Well, so let's get the chronology of this right as
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  Speaker 2: we go forward, because the lawsuit was filed as Greg
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  Speaker 2: Sankey was about to take the stand. So That was
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  Speaker 2: going to happen regardless. While he's on the stand-up. That
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  Speaker 2: was timed out to be done. All the paperwork was done.
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  Speaker 2: They were going to file regardless before any of the
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  Speaker 2: questioning that he received there. So there was nothing in
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  Speaker 2: retaliation for that other than they had already been discussing
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  Speaker 2: ousting LSU from the conference. When LSU continued to not
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  Speaker 2: make a statement saying they weren't going to do this
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  Speaker 2: or they weren't really relenting from all of that, then
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden we get the huge news yesterday
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  Speaker 2: that they are going to vote tomorrow. At this point,
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  Speaker 2: it was two days away. But on Thursday, they are
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  Speaker 2: assembling every president, and they are going to vote to
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  Speaker 2: ouster LSU. This is how serious this thing has gotten.
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  Speaker 2: At that point, that's when LSU did the smart thing
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  Speaker 2: for the first time this whole time, and they relented.
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  Speaker 2: LSU is a clear loser here. They lost this battle.
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  Speaker 2: They tried to go to war for a while with
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  Speaker 2: the SEC. Greg Sankey wins. Greg Sankey now can take
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  Speaker 2: that lawsuit out if he wants, and they can probably
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  Speaker 2: move on. Now here's the bigger loser issue for LSU
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  Speaker 2: they've got to deal with. Daquan Wright and the other
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  Speaker 2: player are going to sue them. They're already saying through
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  Speaker 2: Ryan Downton and their attorneys, we are pursuing legal action
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  Speaker 2: now because our guys and we were duped by LSU
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  Speaker 2: into believing they were going to roster us and they
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  Speaker 2: were going to continue to fight the SEC on this.
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  Speaker 2: They're not going to fight the SEC. I saw Clay
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  Speaker 2: Travis with a pretty good solution to all this. LSU
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  Speaker 2: should pay them what they promised them and make them
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  Speaker 2: graduate assistants for the season and see if that will
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  Speaker 2: appease them. They can be on the sideline, they can
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  Speaker 2: coach for the team, and they make all the money
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  Speaker 2: that they were promised. So there's no money legal issues
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  Speaker 2: going on about what they were offered and what they
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  Speaker 2: were promised and not getting it.
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  Speaker 1: That could be a solution for those players this season.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think about, you know, no one embarrasses Sankey.
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  Speaker 1: Is this also about Lane's halftime joke?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I really believe it's about them not being
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  Speaker 2: in the SEC. I think the SEC was serious about
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  Speaker 2: If they didn't do this, they continued to say this,
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  Speaker 2: and LSU didn't blink, they didn't blink, they didn't blink,
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  Speaker 2: and finally, right, I mean, it's no coincidence that, what,
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  Speaker 2: two hours after all those reports came out that they're
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  Speaker 2: about to vote on the oustering of LSU, that LSU
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  Speaker 2: then decides to go ahead and fill out their roster
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  Speaker 2: to 105.
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  Speaker 1: Well, right, but they didn't roster those players anyway. My
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  Speaker 1: point is, as soon as that news came out about
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  Speaker 1: the amendment, you have the national reporters in college football
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  Speaker 1: saying they're not going to vote them out, but this
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  Speaker 1: also includes this option that they're going to, for semantics,
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  Speaker 1: more or less, I'm paraphrasing, they're going to vote on this.
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  Speaker 1: And if I'm a member institution, I want LSU in
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  Speaker 1: the SEC. They're the number one team in the country.
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  Speaker 1: If you look around at all the talk, and we've
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  Speaker 1: been getting our asses kicked in the national championship by
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  Speaker 1: Big Ten. I think that also comes down to it.
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  Speaker 1: I want LSU in the conference.
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  Speaker 2: I want Lane Kiffin to do what the conference wants
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  Speaker 2: to do.
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  Speaker 1: That's the issue.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, brand-wise, you don't want to kick LSU or
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  Speaker 2: that team out of the conference, and you want to
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  Speaker 2: have success. You want a possible college football playoff team,
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  Speaker 2: a probable at this point college football playoff team.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and say it.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe not national champion, but they're likely to get in
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  Speaker 2: the playoff with that team that we saw on Saturday night.
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  Speaker 2: You want them in your conference, but you also can't
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  Speaker 2: have someone You can't have a rogue state defying you
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  Speaker 2: at every corner and saying and doing these things all
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  Speaker 2: on their own. And eventually at the end of this story,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's the very end of it, but
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  Speaker 2: the conclusion of this right now is make no mistake
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  Speaker 2: about it.
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  Speaker 1: LSU relented. They lost.
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  Speaker 2: There was a stare down standoff happening between both sides
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  Speaker 2: that were getting reports out either way, through all the
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  Speaker 2: National College football people, and the last report about, we
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  Speaker 2: are voting you out on Thursday. We have everyone assembled.
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  Speaker 2: There is a meeting happening. And within a few hours
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: and late last night, LSU then decides, let's go ahead
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: and add those two walk-ons, former walk-ons to the end
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: of the roster and make it 105. Like they blinked
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: in this thing. And I think it was finally, it
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: was the first smart thing LSU has done. was they
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: blinked and they gave in to the SEC on this.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: Because those dudes aren't worth it. LSU's already great. It
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: wasn't worth it. The risk far outweighed the reward in
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: this whole situation with the former pro players.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: I would say, though, to go back to, do these
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: guys want the fight? You can stand up and be Goliath,
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: which is SEC. LSU is David compared to the Goliath.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: But long term, In five years, where's Lane Kiffin coaching?
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: In the long term, you don't want LSU out of
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: the SEC if it's just Kiffin being defined and he's
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: following the rules. I mean, it's about sending the message
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: without actually taking the action because it would make no
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: sense to make LSU independent if they're just going to
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: be Notre Dame and end up in the college football playoff,
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: one of the 20 teams that they're going to have
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: every year. We were close on having Ole Miss. They
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: end up being a part of the nucleus anyway.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: We were close to having Ole Miss-LSU be a non-conference
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: game a week from now, right?
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: If that were to happen, I was reading that would
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: officially be a non-conference game if LSU was voted out
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: of the conference at that point.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: Now, Brooks Carter also says this.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: He says he does not think the SEC will drop
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: the lawsuit against LSU because it's about enforcing their own rules.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Now they have federal legal backing, and they also have
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: LSU relenting in this. So the lawsuit will probably continue
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: against LSU and Lane Kiffin. I'll also say I don't
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: think Lane Kiffin agrees with this decision by LSU. I
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: think that LSU finally decided to turn Lane Kiffin into
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: what he is, their employee. I mean, it doesn't feel
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: like it in any of these schools when you're a
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: high-powered college football coach, right? But he does have a
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: boss at LSU, and I think the bosses, Hutton, to
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: your point, said, we're not going to get kicked out
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: of the SEC because of this one thing, with the
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: football program this one time.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: They finally agree with what I've been saying the whole time.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: It's not worth it.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: The reward is not worth the risk in this whole
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: situation for LSU. I think it's as defined as Lane
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: Kiffin is. I don't think he's the one bowing down here.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: I think he was ready to go to war and
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: make the SEC presidents prove it and actually kick them
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: out of the conference. I believe his bosses made him
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: do this.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: That's okay. But then I've watched the response from the
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: government end of this, the legal end of this, and
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: I think they're now trying to grandstand and use this
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: for either political reasons or they're like their governor that
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: doesn't want to back down and just wants to play
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: professional team owner. for what this is about. Their response
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: almost initially to all this is also interesting, where they're
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: just talking about Sankey more than they are talking about
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: the issues at LSU. Then that begs the question, I
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: love the polls and the top five, top tens, whatever
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: comes out, on who would actually, it's a good hypothetical,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: who would replace LSU in the conference. I think we
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: touched on this, the most likely answer. where Miami came up.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: You had North Carolina, Chad, as your number one. I
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: think Clay did, too. Is that right?
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: I had Notre Dame number one, but that to me
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: is always going to be the golden goose for everyone, right?
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: That's a good point. You left out the obvious one
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: on the graphic, maybe. Yeah, yeah. But Carolina would certainly
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: tie in there. Others, for sure. But, man, yeah, if
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: you replace LSU with Notre Dame, now we're, you know,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Now we're talking.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: If that was an actual possibility, yeah, that's one that
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: you take. I would take Notre Dame in a conference
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: over LSU from a brand standpoint, but there's not many
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: others that you would take over LSU.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: North Carolina is a really good brand.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: I would still want LSU, uh, in my conference for
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: the football power and prowess of that, that program.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Uh, yeah.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: And Clay had Florida state, Miami, you know, a lot
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: of the Virginia tech was one Clemson, I think, North Carolina.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: I think of the programs that feel the most SEC. Yeah.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: I think Clemson's way up there. I think Virginia Tech
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: is way up there, too. Virginia Tech is good. In
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: terms of their.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Passion for the team and the way they treat college
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: football and just being kind of the small town in Blacksburg,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: it makes a lot of sense.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: But now we don't have to think about it because
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: LSU has backed down. They've bowed down to daddy, and
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: they're going to stay in the conference. And now, again,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: it goes back to Courts versus the state governments versus
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: the conferences and college football. And then there's the MAC
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: and the rules and what happened, what didn't happen, what
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: was enforced, how it was enforced. Post-game initially with Michigan,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Western Michigan, everybody was just kind of neutral. Closer to
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: neutral than nuclear on behalf of Western Michigan. That goes
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: back to following the lie with your conference and letting
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: the bosses know. handle business behind the scenes and now publicly.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Let's get into that coming up. And much more to discuss.
• 21:10
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• 22:29
  Speaker 2: I feel like I need to retract my bet already.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: We've got to go in for the bundle later. I'm
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• 22:38
  Speaker 2: We'll get to it later. I'm going to stick by it,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: but I have been going back and forth all morning
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: on whether or not I should take away one leg
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: of my three-leg parlay.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: I was going to jump in and say, whatever your
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: initial thoughts were, stick with it because it'll end up
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: hitting now if you removed it. Now it won't hit
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: because you stuck with it, Chad. Correct. That's how we
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: view it. We're going to win either way. Western Michigan
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: will not win either way. The MAAC will not win
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: either way. But thank you to the conference and to leadership.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: And also, I felt like the leadership of Western Michigan
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: handled it really well in the real-time moments of everything
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: going down with how Michigan won the game this past weekend.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: At first, they're celebrating on the field. The players are there.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: And then they still have to give up the Hail Mary.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: which they do. That's a factor here. You have fans
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: storming the field against you because they're emotional about winning
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: the game. Imagine losing that game and the fallout not
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: being just pure fury because the president did speak at
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: the game post-game after the coach spoke. They both handled
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: it well, and they let the conference do what they're doing.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: This won't be remembered come college football playoff time because
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: the committee also released a statement about LSU saying that
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: they're not going to get involved in whatever they're doing.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: We're just going to go by the rules of selection.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: This is also not going to be remembered long-term. We
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: will remember, though, that Western Michigan won the football game.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Well, so Western Michigan has appealed to the NCAA, to
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: the College Football Playoff Committee— and to everyone.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: To get that game overturned. Right.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: That the clock had hit zero and that it was
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: done and that they won the game. Do I think
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: that the NCAA and the College Football Playoff Committee is
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: going to come back and overrule the decision and hand
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: it over to Western Michigan?
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: Maybe.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: And here's why, okay?
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Because the NCAA news leaked this morning, Hutton, that they're
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: sending a memo out to every single member institution and
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: every single conference saying, saying, here is the rule on
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: the clock. And it's exactly what I said on Monday.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: The clock is the clock. There are no such thing
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: as two clocks. You go by the clock in the stadium.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: You go by the clock that is synced up on
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: the broadcast that everyone sees who's watching the game because
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: it's the stadium clock. The fact that there was a
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: discrepancy in the in-house replay system for the Big Ten
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: with the game clock seen in the stadium.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: You.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Never go with that second clock if there's any discrepancy. Now,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: the NCAA and everyone could say, we just made this
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: a rule across every league that's written in, so we
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: can't do anything about something that happened before that happened.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: So the result stays. Again, what are the chances?
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: I think it's 90-10.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: They're going to uphold what happened in the game in
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Michigan 1.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: On a Hail Mary.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: But is there a 10% chance because the NCAA is
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: admitting fault here in what they're sending in this memo
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: to every member institution?
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Maybe. I also just assumed, Hutton, when Western.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Michigan and the MAAC, they were so okay with everything
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: that happened. I'm thinking, well, that's probably because they just
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: cut a check or cut a deal with the Big
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Ten to get more games against their teams and get paydays.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: And the Big Ten was probably telling them, hey, let's
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: even get you guys some more games against Michigan or
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: someone else.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: We'll make sure we do that in the future.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: We don't need you to raise hell about what happened
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: at the end of this game tonight in order to
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: do that. I thought there may be some sort of
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: secret agreement about future monetary opportunities for the MAAC in
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: regards to the Big Ten, not just in football also.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: But maybe in other sports.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: But now that I see Western Michigan a few days
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: later has come back and basically pulled the line from
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: your favorite movie, Wolf of Wall Street, and said, you
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: know what?
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: We're not leaving.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: After further review, they were up there ready with the
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: microphone to submit to Michigan and the Big Ten and said,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: upon further investigation, you're wrong, we're right, and we're going
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: to fight you. So the way I understood this, though,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: The replay officials went by a dedicated camera focused on
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: the stadium clock. And it was the broadcast clock that
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: was out of sync with the stadium. There wasn't a
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: clock separate from the one in the stadium. There was
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: a camera fixed on that clock that was being used.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Maybe we're saying the same thing.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: No, I think what they had was, it was their.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: whatever their TV system is, replay system that they have
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: in there. That was the one that they went by
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: that was off. So what they're looking at on the
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: replay was not exactly tied up and linked up.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: With the actual stadium clock. And they went without.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: So they, Western Michigan took their microphone. Do they have a,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: do they have a big enough speaker for people to
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: pay attention right now? Cause everyone is news wise. I've,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: you and I may be one of the few talking
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: about Western Michigan today with, with how quickly we move on.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: I would also add interest briefly, Chad, the NCAA and
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: their relationship with Michigan and this football program over the
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: last couple of years. And who likes who, you know,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: it's the only place so upset with Georgia or Alabama
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: or whoever they'll take it out on Tennessee is the
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: running joke, right? Like, What about when it comes to
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: the Michigan Wolverines? I wonder where the vibes are, the
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: vibe check. Because earlier, you had the worst football vibes
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: in college football. And the Wolverines, well, they made your list.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Here's Chad's worst vibe. We're going to compare it to
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: the best. You had Michigan at number four. Clemson right
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: there with you atop this list. Rutgers, you lose to UMass.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: I haven't thought about UMass since John Calipari was coaching basketball.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Wisconsin seems to be limp and dead man walking head coach.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: By the way, Wisconsin had the strongest response to this.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Wisconsin fans, when we posted this list.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: That was your point, though. They were the opposite of
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: what I– they were just like, no, we're fine. I mean,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: we lost to Notre Dame. Who cares?
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: This team's going to be just fine. They're about to
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: reel off six straight wins. Everything's going to be okay.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: They were very defensive about it, saying Wisconsin should be
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: nowhere near on this list even, much less third.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Their vibes are good, according to them. Well, I mean,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: we could point to Indiana and say they get it done.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Well, hey, you know, the rest of the Big Ten
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: is thrilled to hear that. Oh, you're fine with where
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: you are right now? Great. It's a great point. Good job, Badgers. Yeah,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: you're doing exactly what you need to be doing. Keep
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Luke Fickle forever is what their conference rivals are thinking.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: How much you guys are happy with that? And now
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: let's get to your best list. You can unveil it.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I wonder if there will be a program where there's
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: a fan base that says we're no more close to
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: this list. Oh, I feel terrible on this Wednesday. Are
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: you kidding me?
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Top five best vibes in college football. Western Michigan's number one.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: They won that football game. They're America's sweetheart right now.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: America knows they won the game. The only people arguing
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: that they did not win the game are in maize
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: and blue. They look really good. Lance Taylor looks the
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: part of a great future head football coach at a
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: power conference. Unfortunately for Western Michigan, they will lose him
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: after this year. I'm almost certain of it. But now
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: they're fighting the NCAA. They're fighting Michigan. They're fighting the
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Big Ten. I'm putting Western Michigan at the top of
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: my list in terms of best vibes. Hutton number two
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: is a guy that we know in Charles Huff and Memphis.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Coming off that win over UNLV, then they come back
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: and they beat Arkansas State. They weren't a big favorite
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: in that game, but they win pretty easily against Butch
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Jones and Arkansas State. So Memphis is number two on
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: the list for me because of the way they started
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: that season and what we're calling week zero with that
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: win at UNLV. And everything that he said about the
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: program and we're the Navy SEALs of training, we're We
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: get after it more than anyone else. We don't have
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: music at practice. We're all about ball all the time,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: and it's showing. I think you've got to feel good
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: if you're a Memphis Tigers fan right now. Hutton, one
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: that I did not expect to have after one week. Colorado,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: that number three. Prime is back, baby. He's all the
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: way back. He had the health problems. He even says
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: he was pretty checked out a year ago when they
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: weren't good his first season without his sons on the team.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: They were a miserable football team last year. I don't
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: know how they did it, but they win a game, what, 14-13,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: I think was the final score against Georgia Tech. Yes.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: A very weird ending where they finally get a drive
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: going and get it done.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Georgia Tech, they don't score an offensive touchdown. I mean,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: think about that. Colorado's defense, much maligned, really for the
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: past few years. They could run the ball.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: They shut out Georgia Tech with offensive touchdowns. The one
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Georgia Tech touchdown– was a kickoff return for TD.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: They stopped Georgia Tech from running the ball. That's kind
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: of unheard of.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: We were laughing at Colorado for how small they looked
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: in those videos they were posting. Yes. How they weren't physical.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Dion's even saying, I thought we were small. I thought
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: we weren't physical.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: So Colorado's got a few more to go. It didn't
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: allow the reporters to report on practice. One of the
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: best wins in all of college football.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: If not the bet, going to Georgia Tech on a
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Thursday night to open the season when we weren't expecting it,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: no one else was, and Colorado winning, they've got to
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: feel good.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Third best vibes. Number four, Miami.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: They beat the dog piss out of Stanford on a
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Friday night. Hutton called it with his hard rock bet.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Speaking of hard rock, not only did they beat the
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: dog piss out of Stanford... when Florida State was getting
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: the dog piss beat out of them nationally because they
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: couldn't get their damn lights turned on, leave it to
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Miami to troll them by posting, lights are working great here,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: and a shot of Hard Rock Stadium in Miami doing
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: a light show on that night on the stadium that.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Their LED lights were working perfectly.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: So Miami goes on the road, not just on the road,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: goes across the country to Stanford, destroys Andrew Luck and
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: his book club and the Stanford Cardinal, Comes back home,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: is watching their rival have a power outage, and they
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: troll them during the power outage before their rival loses.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: It's pretty good vibes. In terms of the hatred of
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: college football, we were able to do that, Hutt. Pretty
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: damn good vibes there for the Miami Hurricanes. Speaking of Hurricanes,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: how about the Golden Hurricane of Tulsa getting it done?
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Tulsa at home defeats Oklahoma State in-state rival 24-10. Yes,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: I said rival because, let's face it, they're rivals now.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Tulsa's got the upper hand on that program, which is
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: wild to think about how far Oklahoma State has fallen.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: It's why Oklahoma State made my list of top five
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: worst vibes. But Tulsa and Coach Trey Lamb, they're number
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: five on the list, best vibes in college football.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: There you have it, Hudden. We did the bad. We
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: did the good. Worst vibes, best vibes in college football.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Honorable mention, Ole Miss. They win on the last-second field.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: They get that done against one of the few big
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: conference-versus-conference and ranked-versus-ranked matchups in college football. That's one of
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: the best matchups of the weekend. And they don't have
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Kiffin doing this there. That's internally got to be Vespas. Counter-argument, though.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Ole Miss would appear on this list if LSU would
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: have looked bad and even won close in that game.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: But with LSU and Lane Kiffin winning 51-10 out of
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: the gates and being argued as the best team in America,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: that's not going to sit well with Ole Miss fans.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Because you're always going to.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Have one eye on Baton Rouge and say, whatever that
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: guy does, I'm mad. Whatever good he does in winning
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: football games, I'm going to be angry. That's the reason
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: I didn't include them in the top five. But certainly,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, you feel like you've got a football coach
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: who cares about the players. You've got a good vibe
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: going with Trinidad Chambliss. That game was a little closer
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: than I expected. On Sunday night, so I don't feel
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: great about that. But yeah, that's a big win. I
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: think Louisville is going to be a lot better in
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: the ACC than maybe we expected coming into the season.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: I agree. Final thoughts on this with Western Michigan. It's
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: a good point with best vibes. They will now host Monmouth.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: May God have mercy on your soul. It's a 27.5
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: point spread, Chad. I feel like this is a preview
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: for our Hard Rock Lock.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: I think that this is a game that we must play, Hutton.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know how we're going to play it. Do
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: we think there's a letdown with Lance Taylor's team coming
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: out this game?
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: No, this coach. They dial up 1-800-YOU-KNOW-WHAT in this game.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: This entire week will be a halftime speech that Kiffin
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: just delivered to LSU, basically. And then Colorado will have
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Weber State. That's also an interesting game we may be
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: able to play there.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Do you think you walk in if you're Lance Taylor
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: before the game against Monmouth, and no matter if it's
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: true or not, you tell your team that the NCAA
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: came back and you won that first game?
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: You're now 1-0.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Congratulations. And get everybody cheering. Now let's go out there
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: and beat Monmouth. Now that we're about to go 2-0
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: in the season.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: And then right when the game was like, just kidding.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: No one did that.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Since they don't have their phones, they wouldn't know one
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: way or the other if that was true.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: In the Kiffin voice, the voice cracking, high-pitched, do you
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: guys feel like you're 0-1-1? Yeah, we're 0-1. We're 1-0.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Let's keep the undefeated season going. Yes. Chad, let's recap
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: your best vibes.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Best vibes in college football after one week. Let's go 5-1.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Number five, Tulsa getting the win over in-state rival Oklahoma State,
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: further burying the Cowboys program that has not won an
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: FBS game since 2024, September, two years ago. Since they won,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Tulsa continues to throw dirt on the grave of Oklahoma State.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Big win for them.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: How about Miami going across the country, beating the hell
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: out of Stanford, coming back to Miami and trolling Florida
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: State in the middle of a power outage by saying
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: lights are working great here at Hard Rock Stadium and
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: flashing those lights on. Love it from the Hurricanes. Number three,
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Colorado Buffaloes. Coach Prime is back. He's healthier. He's feeling better.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: He's making fun of people who call his team small.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: He's not giving up an offensive touchdown on the road
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: at Georgia Tech. Number two, Coach Charles Huff, Memphis Tigers.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: One of the biggest wins of the college football season,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: going to UNLV, beating Dan Mullen. And that team, they
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: come back home, they beat Arkansas State. They're feeling great
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: in the Bluff City. Number one, Western Michigan Broncos. They're 1-0.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: You know it. I know it.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Everyone but Dave Portnoy knows it. And Heather Denich. They
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: rightfully won that game. Western Michigan. Number one with a
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: win in Ann Arbor against the Michigan Wolverines. Let's just
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: continue to say it, Hunt, even though it's not going
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: to be overturned.
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: Victory.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Let's just act like Michigan has one loss the remainder
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: of the season. So how do we think Michigan is
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: going to bounce back from that loss to Western Michigan
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: against Oklahoma this week at home?
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Let's just speak it into existence. They're Central Florida. They're
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: the champion. They're the national champs. Yeah. Scott Frost would
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: approve of this. I wonder how Dabo would respond to
• 38:01
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• 38:06
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• 39:25
  Speaker 2: big Ole Miss guy, says, can confirm. Vibes are shaky
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: with Ole Miss right now. because of how great LSU
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: looked in that opening game. So there you have it.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Another good reason they're not in that top 10. They
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: do not like watching Lane Kiffin succeed to the level
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: he did on Saturday night. And that Ole Miss home
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: game could look a little bit different in the eyes
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: of Rebel fans when they saw what LSU looked like
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: against Clemson.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Chad, we've got primary complaint coming up in about 15 minutes. First, though,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: defiant Dabo. A familiar tone from yesterday's presser, huh? Let's
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: do a little study here, shall we? Yeah, we shall.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: A study in time, a study in evolution, a study
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: in change, or a lack thereof, okay? Yesterday, we revisited
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: a moment with Tyler and Spartanburg calling the Dabo Sweeney
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: coaches show Back in 2023, when Clemson at that time
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: was 4-4, and he goes all in on Dabo Sweeney.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: He's talking about, why are we paying you the money?
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: I'm a fan of religion. I'm a man of faith.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: He's going into.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Every possible New Testament book to pull how angry he
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: is at Dabo for being 4-4. At the time, it
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: sounded ridiculous because... Dabo Sweeney had won so much leading
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: up to then. It's gotten shakier from that point on.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: But we're going to give you a little example of
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: the change or the lack thereof in Dabo Sweeney because
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: the biggest knock on Dabo is that he is unwilling
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: to adapt. In the words of Brad Pitt in Moneyball,
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: adapt or die.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: And he is unwilling to adapt. So here is Dabo Sweeney.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: We're going to start with his response to Tyler and
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: Spartanburg getting called out on his coach's show. Listen to
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Dabo back in 2023.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Do you regret anything about your off-season roster construction right now?
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: Chapel, you come with all these questions. I'll tell you,
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: you're the gotcha guy. No, I don't. I don't, man.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: I regret being 0-1-1 right now. I regret that.
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: But, no, we're– can you ask me that at the
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: end of the season?
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: You know, the season isn't over. We've got one game.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: We've got 11-1.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Sure we will.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: What if we go 11-1? You promised me you'd ask
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: me that then? Okay, good.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: I'll answer it.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: All right?
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: But I'm not answering questions like that, you know, Chapel.
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: I know that's your role and that's in this environment,
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: you know, to be the guy that wants to create
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: all the controversy and ask the controversial questions.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: If that's who you are, that's fine. I get it.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: But I'll answer that. We played one game. One game.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: All right? Did you play football? They give you 12 games,
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: and at the end of the year, you count them up.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: All right?
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: And, you know, that's when those type of questions are
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: fair to me. You know, not after one game. Two,
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: maybe the best team in the country. Maybe the best
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: team in the country.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: All right?
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Maybe.
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: Other people have good teams and coaches and things like that, too.
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: So I give them credit. We got 11 more games.
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: to go battle.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: And we'll count them up.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Count them up.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: You can ask me whatever question you want.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Chad, that was certainly not Tyler and Spartanburg, but that
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: was the question from Chappell. Two questions. First, I wonder
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: if Chappell's now banned from getting a credential by the
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: University of Clemson based on that question that was just
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: out of line, apparently, according to their head coach, which
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: is a very fair question. And number two, whatever he says,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: let's count them up west. So he wants to ask
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: the question if they go 11-1, do you regret what
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: you did in the offseason, which is also really funny.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: But that's certainly a great tone.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: I love the, oh, yeah, you're the guy. You're the
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: guy who stirs it up, and that's what you're here
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: to do. I call him by, you're the gotcha guy.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: You're the gotcha guy.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: The reality is when you're bad, every question's a gotcha question.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Like there's no.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Whatever you ask sounds like a gotcha question because there's
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: not much.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Of an explanation.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: But when you ask, hey, what do you think about
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: your roster management over the offseason? When you look at
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: that first game, a 51-10 loss, how do you feel
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: about it? It is going to come across as a
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: gotcha question. So, guys, do we have the 2023? That
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: was yesterday. That was Dabo Sweeney yesterday in 2026. Now
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: when you hear him in 2023 respond to Tyler and Spartanburg,
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: you're the judge, the audience out there. You tell us
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: if you hear some similarities in his style.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: What's this guy's name?
• 44:02
  Speaker 6: Tyler.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: Hey, Tyler.
• 44:03
  Speaker 6: I've listened to enough of you, Tyler. You can have
• 44:07
  Speaker 6: all your opinions that you want. I don't know how
• 44:10
  Speaker 6: old you are.
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: Don't really care. But let me tell you something.
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: We won 11 games last year, and you're part of
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: the problem, to be honest with you, because that is
• 44:20
  Speaker 6: part of the problem. It's people like you that all
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: you do is the appreciation– The expectation is greater than
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: the appreciation.
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: And that's the problem.
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: And so, you know, we've won 12 10-plus win seasons
• 44:35
  Speaker 6: in a row. That's happened three times in 150 years.
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: So if you want to know why.
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: Clemson ain't sniffed a national championship for 35 years.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: We've won two in seven years.
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: And there's only two other teams that can say that,
• 44:48
  Speaker 6: Georgia and Alabama.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: Okay?
• 44:51
  Speaker 6: Is this a bad year? Yeah, and it's my responsibility.
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: Take 100% responsibility for it. But all this bull crap
• 44:59
  Speaker 6: you're thinking, all these narratives you read, listen, man, you
• 45:02
  Speaker 6: can have your opinion all you want, and you can.
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: Apply for the job, and good luck to you. I
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: love that. But to answer your question, we're second in
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: draft picks.
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: We've graduated 98% of our guys.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: We're second in wins.
• 45:17
  Speaker 6: If you want to know why, again, I'm telling you,
• 45:20
  Speaker 6: we're not perfect. There's a lot of teams that, you know,
• 45:22
  Speaker 6: Frank Howard never had a bad year. Coach Ford never
• 45:24
  Speaker 6: had a bad year. Coach K never had a bad
• 45:28
  Speaker 6: year in basketball. People have a bad year. But part
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: of the problem is the appreciation. I used to tell
• 45:38
  Speaker 6: people all the time, I'd say, what's the difference in Clemson?
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: Let me tell you, at some places there's an expectation,
• 45:43
  Speaker 6: but at Clemson there's an appreciation. What's happened at Clemson
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: is we've won so.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: Much It used to be the fun's in the winning.
• 45:55
  Speaker 6: Now, even when you win, people like you complain and
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: criticize the coaches and question everything.
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: People like you.
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: When I hired Tony Elliott to be the offensive coordinator
• 46:09
  Speaker 6: who never called a play in his life, I'm sure
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: you were critical then.
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: He took us to two national championships.
• 46:16
  Speaker 6: People like you who just love to destroy people with
• 46:22
  Speaker 6: your comments.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: I'm sure you've never made any bad decisions.
• 46:26
  Speaker 6: I'm sure you've lived a perfect life. I'm sure you've
• 46:30
  Speaker 6: led a bunch of people. I'm sure you do your job.
• 46:34
  Speaker 6: So to answer your question, I started as the lowest
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: paid coach in this freaking business. And I'm where I
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: am because I've worked my ass off. every single day.
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: And I ain't going to let some smart ass kid
• 46:48
  Speaker 6: get on this phone.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: And create this stuff. So if you got a problem
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: with that, I don't care. All right.
• 46:55
  Speaker 6: I work for, for the board of trustees, the president
• 46:57
  Speaker 6: and the AD. And if they're tired of me leading
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: this program, all they gotta do is let me know.
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: I'll go somewhere else where there is an appreciation.
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: All right. It's not just winning. It's how you win.
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: And we are in a, this is a tough year,
• 47:10
  Speaker 6: but we've had 12, 12, 10 plus win seasons in
• 47:13
  Speaker 6: a row.
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: 12.
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: We lost to Tennessee last year. They won 11 games
• 47:17
  Speaker 6: for the first time in like 20 years.
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: We've had eight, 11.
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: Win seasons in whatever, 11 years or whatever. We've won
• 47:24
  Speaker 6: two national championships. Clemson went 35 years.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 47:28
  Speaker 6: Probably since before you were born your whole freaking life.
• 47:32
  Speaker 6: And we've won two in seven years and we earned
• 47:36
  Speaker 6: it and we beat the best of.
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: The best to do it. The best of the best. 12,
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: 10 plus wins. So if you want to know why,
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: that's why. Am I perfect? No, I'm far from it.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: I am. And I am a man of faith.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: All right. I'm 53 years old and there ain't one
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: thing in my life.
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: Now I have, I have been a part of failure
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: many times, but there ain't one thing in my life
• 48:02
  Speaker 6: that I've ever failed at.
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: Tyler, never. All right. Ever. I wanted to get an education.
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: I got two degrees.
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: I wanted to be the first college graduate in my family.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: I did it.
• 48:15
  Speaker 6: I wanted to go play football in Alabama. I earned
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: a scholarship, lettered three years, worked my ass off, won
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: a national championship.
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: I wanted to get into coaching. I worked my way
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: to being a head coach.
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: And when I got this job, and I'm sure you
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: didn't want me to get this job, and 15 years
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: later I'm still here, and I'd say the results are
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: what they are, and I stand on them. So you
• 48:40
  Speaker 6: don't ever have to call back. I wanted to get married.
• 48:46
  Speaker 6: I've been married for going on 30 years. I wanted
• 48:48
  Speaker 6: to be a father. I've raised three great sons. If
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  Speaker 6: you don't like how I run the program, don't be
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  Speaker 6: a fan.
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  Speaker 4: I don't care. But I'm the head coach, and I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to do what I believe is right for the
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  Speaker 4: long term of this program.
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  Speaker 6: What's best for the players, and what I think is
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  Speaker 6: best for the moment. If you've got a problem with that,
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  Speaker 6: that's fine. But I'm not going to sit here and
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  Speaker 6: let you call. I don't give a crap how much
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  Speaker 6: money I make. You ain't going to talk to me
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  Speaker 6: like I'm 12 years old.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to talk to you like you're 12.
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  Speaker 3: Amen.
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  Speaker 4: I like it. I like it.
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  Speaker 1: Billy? I love that so much, man. I love the
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  Speaker 1: host of the show. Amen. I like it.
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  Speaker 4: Way to go.
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  Speaker 1: I can see that you're fired up about this, Davo.
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  Speaker 1: The entire point of Tyler and Sparkberg's call was since 2018,
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: there's been a difference in arrogance. And then he responds
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: with that five-minute statement.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Let me show you how arrogant I am in this response.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to sit you down and treat you like
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: a child. Don't talk to me like I'm 12, but
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: I'm going to talk to you like you're 12, and
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: you're going to get no response. If you don't like it,
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: don't be a fan. Incredible stuff from Dabo. And what
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: we saw in the first video from yesterday, the guy
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  Speaker 2: hasn't changed. And I don't think there's any expectation that
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  Speaker 2: he's ever going to change, and I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: that's going to work in college football the way it
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: did before.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it will somewhere else.
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  Speaker 2: It does feel like the shine has completely worn off
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  Speaker 2: at Clemson though now, Hutton. I'd also say they owe
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: him $ 60 million if they fire him.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: They're not in the SEC or the Big Ten. Do
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  Speaker 2: they even have the money being in the ACC to
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  Speaker 2: do something like that if you're Clemson?
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  Speaker 1: I doubt it.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to hinder your ability to hire the next coach.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to hinder your ability to pay NIL to
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: players to.
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  Speaker 1: Come to Clemson at that point.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: So I think they're in a tough spot, I really think,
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  Speaker 2: because of his accomplishments there, which have been plenty. for
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  Speaker 2: Dabo Sweeney that he's going to need to walk away
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: on his own for Clemson to get a new coach.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: And the accomplishments actually continue. He's pointed out, like, we
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: had all these draft picks and whatever. They had nine
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: draft picks this year in the top five rounds. That
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: set a new record in the NFL. So it's not
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: like they don't have talent. And he called the reporter Chappell.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: My prayer would be that that dude's first name is
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  Speaker 1: Tyler Chappell from Spartanburg. That would be awesome. That would
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  Speaker 1: be fantastic. uh, define Dabo. He will never change.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the way, the way he called the guy,
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  Speaker 2: the report of the gotcha guy and everything, the way
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: that talking down to them, it's just, and also Brooks
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: brought this up in the YouTube chat, which is great.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: By the way, hit us up on YouTube. You can
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: listen to us on podcast too.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: We got a partnership now with I heart podcast, wherever
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: you get podcasts, you can listen to us. We're, we
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: got other announcements coming to about other places where you can,
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: you can watch on X, you can watch on Facebook.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: We got other announcements coming soon.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: Um, The coach asking, did you play football, is the
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: ultimate little boy argument.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: You know you're going to get 100% backing from your
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: fan base when you do that. And it's just.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: An under-the-table way of basically challenging the manhood of the
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: reporter asking a question anytime that happens. And Dabo knows
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: exactly what he's doing.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: It's what Ryan Clark did live on air, right? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then he got fired. Yes, he did. Chad, another
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: thing that will never change, Defiant Davo, and then there's
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