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Vibe Sesh 22 - Foreskin Freedom and the End of Identity · Vibe Sesh Podcast

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  SPEAKER_03: Thank you for inviting me, yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: Hey.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yo, what's
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  SPEAKER_03: up, brother?
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yo, thanks for having me on, man.
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  SPEAKER_03: Bro, you're video quality shit, bro.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, my God.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, so terrible, bro.
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  SPEAKER_03: You YouTuber or what, baby?
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  SPEAKER_03: Come on.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_02: I got my 5G on.
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  SPEAKER_02: I thought I was going to be able to get it done.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, man.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, shit.
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  SPEAKER_02: What 5G?
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  SPEAKER_03: You did the Chinese plan, bitch.
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  SPEAKER_03: All right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Give me... All right.
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  SPEAKER_03: All right, bro.
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  SPEAKER_03: Take your time, bro.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_03: That was fire already, bro.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_03: I'm out of control.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_00: You guys got to...
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yo, what's going on, Gavin?
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  SPEAKER_03: You're looking beautiful today with the sunlight.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_03: I like the lighting.
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  SPEAKER_03: The lighting is beautiful, bro.
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  SPEAKER_03: Bro, you got beautiful blue eyes, bro.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're going to make me blush, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for having me.
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  SPEAKER_03: Bro, you're so beautiful, bro.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's a handsome guy.
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  SPEAKER_01: A live samurai in training.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: White belt.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: White belt.
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  SPEAKER_01: Honored to be here.
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  SPEAKER_01: What can I say?
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  SPEAKER_03: Gavin, what do you think of this guy?
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  SPEAKER_03: You watch some of his stuff.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, both of you guys, you guys don't know anything about Asian culture.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think this will be very interesting.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, no, you do.
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  SPEAKER_03: Gavin does.
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  SPEAKER_03: He's perfect.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: We're going to get the contrast.
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  SPEAKER_03: A little bit.
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  SPEAKER_03: You think so?
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  SPEAKER_03: You don't know a lot about this?
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  SPEAKER_01: So my spiritual father is Asian and everything that I know is mainly from
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  SPEAKER_01: kind
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  SPEAKER_01: of this like, you know, Buddhism or like esoteric kind of teachings or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't have any idea or connection to like everyday, like,
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  SPEAKER_01: as you said,
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  SPEAKER_01: identity or what it means to be Asian,
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  SPEAKER_01: especially with Mr. Fung and all of his like cuisine knowledge.
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  SPEAKER_01: That especially is something that I would like to learn more of.
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  SPEAKER_01: Someone who wants to know more how to cook, you know?
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's start cooking.
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  SPEAKER_03: Let's cook it in all kinds of ways.
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  SPEAKER_03: What's up, Missy?
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  SPEAKER_03: Daddy Samurai.
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  SPEAKER_03: Hey, what's going on, guys?
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm on unk mode.
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  SPEAKER_03: What do we do with this guy?
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  SPEAKER_03: He's like frozen.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't know if Andrew can hear us or not, but you are frozen.
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  SPEAKER_00: How does it look?
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  SPEAKER_03: You scared the shit out of me, bro.
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  SPEAKER_03: How does it look?
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  SPEAKER_02: Bro, you were like this and you're like, yo, what's up?
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  SPEAKER_02: Am I, am I, it's, it's, it's valid.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right, so.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's valid, bro.
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  SPEAKER_02: Paravita Wi-Fi.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Paravita Wi-Fi.
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  SPEAKER_02: I wanted to take this live in the city.
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  SPEAKER_02: New York City.
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  SPEAKER_02: New York.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was, I was coming from an event.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I said, hey, I got to do a podcast.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry.
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  SPEAKER_02: I got a jet.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then I tried.
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  SPEAKER_02: I thought 5G was going to be good enough.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's not.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I'm stealing some Wi-Fi.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that's what's up.
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  SPEAKER_03: Damn!
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  SPEAKER_02: Hey, but nice to meet you guys, man.
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  SPEAKER_02: I love the vibes.
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  SPEAKER_02: And first of all,
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  SPEAKER_02: I just want to say I got a lot of friends who are sharing your videos recently in
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  SPEAKER_02: the past, like, maybe a month or two.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you're just dropping knowledge.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the whole brand of Vibe Sesh and Vibe Samurai is cool.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I'm rocking with it, man.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's cool to just connect with people on the internet that I don't even,
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  SPEAKER_02: to be honest, know that much about you.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm just like, hey, I like this guy's content, so let's just jump on and see what happens.
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  SPEAKER_03: Damn.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's what it was, bro?
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  SPEAKER_02: That's what it was?
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  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_02: Damn.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's just content to content.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sorry, what was that?
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  SPEAKER_01: No, do you identify with the whole intellectual omnivore kind of idea?
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, the
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  SPEAKER_02: intellectual omnivore.
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  SPEAKER_02: That was one of the videos for sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: You mean of people who can just talk about a lot of things?
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  SPEAKER_02: Like they're down to just... Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: I like it.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's you, bro.
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  SPEAKER_03: And you got to get absurd, too.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, you got to get absurd, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah,
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  SPEAKER_03: And here's the thing.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't have to be high to get absurd, man.
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  SPEAKER_02: We can get...
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  SPEAKER_02: I also don't want to get canceled, though, to be honest.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I still have a career...
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  SPEAKER_02: I still got a career here, so.
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  SPEAKER_03: Bro, you still worried about being canceled, bro?
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  SPEAKER_03: Come on.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, you know, for now we're good.
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  SPEAKER_03: For now we're good.
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  SPEAKER_03: For now we're good.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, you can say whatever the fuck you want.
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  SPEAKER_03: Save space?
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  SPEAKER_03: Save space, guys.
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  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_03: Save space.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right.
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  SPEAKER_02: And also in New York, like, I can just say whatever I want.
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  SPEAKER_02: No one cares out loud, you know?
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Hey, but the other thing,
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  SPEAKER_03: though, Andrew, like, This is why I really wanted to bring you up here, okay?
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  SPEAKER_03: It's very emotional, okay?
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_03: Because it's been like, my whole life I've lived with this, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: And I think you've given us a voice for us natty dicks, you know what I'm saying?
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  SPEAKER_03: When you're not circumcised and shit.
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  SPEAKER_03: And you made me feel seen, bro.
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  SPEAKER_03: Nobody talked about natty dicks like you did.
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  SPEAKER_03: Can you set it up?
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  SPEAKER_03: Tell them about where you are, that subway.
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  SPEAKER_02: That is one of the best compliments that I've received recently, is that you felt seen.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's such a funny conversation starter with people that have seen it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And like, so...
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  SPEAKER_02: I'll give you the context.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, Kareem, I've known Kareem through New York.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's the Subway Takes guy.
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  SPEAKER_02: I've known him for a couple years,
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  SPEAKER_02: and I was trying to be on Subway Takes early on,
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  SPEAKER_02: and I had a completely different take.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then I couldn't make it, and it was a scheduling issue.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then, like, a year went by, and then I was like, you know what?
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  SPEAKER_02: I got to bother Kareem again, because I got this new take.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, I tested this take.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was doing stand-up comedy at the time, and I was like, I did the bit, like, a couple times.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I was like, it's going okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was like, all right, I think this is a solid bit.
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  SPEAKER_02: So a lot of the bits you'll see on subway takes from comedians are kind of like bits
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  SPEAKER_02: that they have sometimes.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Or they're just like funny thoughts that,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know, they could be a new take, But sometimes it's like a bit or a joke.
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  SPEAKER_02: But for me, it was kind of a...
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  SPEAKER_02: It stems from a joke that I was already working on.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I was like, nah, I got to stand on this because, like, nobody's really repping.
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  SPEAKER_02: And people are uncomfortable about it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Me and my close friends, we've talked about it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Not everybody's natty.
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  SPEAKER_02: Some people are cut, but the natty guys, we always look at each other.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're like, yeah, fist pal.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_03: Bro, you defended natural penis rights, bro.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_03: You defended natural penis rights, bro.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_03: Dude, I'm telling you.
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  SPEAKER_02: You're defending the foreskin, bro.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_02: You're the defender of the foreskin, bro.
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  SPEAKER_02: All organic.
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  SPEAKER_02: All natural, no snips, no cuts, no reductions here, no folds, no pain.
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  SPEAKER_02: The only thing that we had to deal with growing up and still maybe to this day is,
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  SPEAKER_02: like,
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  SPEAKER_02: to a crowd that,
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  SPEAKER_02: to most of the American population,
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  SPEAKER_02: which is actually most of them, I felt like they never noticed.
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  SPEAKER_03: They're hiding it well because I didn't notice anything them noticed.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think to be honest,
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  SPEAKER_02: most girls,
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  SPEAKER_02: if it's like the first few times you're with them, they're not examining it.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right.
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  SPEAKER_02: So they're just like, it feels different.
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  SPEAKER_02: Or they're like, oh, this like, you know, they're touching in.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're like, hey, this is like...
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  SPEAKER_02: It's a little different.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, oh, and I point it out and they're like, oh, you're right.
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  SPEAKER_02: And they're like, oh, and I've gotten positive feedback like, oh, it's kind of fun.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's fun for
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  SPEAKER_03: us too.
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  SPEAKER_02: But why is it fun for them?
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, why is it fun?
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  SPEAKER_02: One girl said it's because it's like a sleeve pulling over your arm.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it's like a hoodie that you go over.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know how people put the hoodie on and put it off, put it on, put it off.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then you'll zip it up and then you'll zip it down.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's like you,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know, it's kind of like a, it's like a, it's like a sleeve, it's like a sheath.
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  SPEAKER_02: A sheath, you know, for your samurai sword, you know.
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  SPEAKER_02: Bro, you need your own Netflix special, bro.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'll
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  SPEAKER_02: rep it, man.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm not going to lie, I don't want to get too graphic, but I got a lot of foreskin.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because some dudes, no, no,
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  SPEAKER_02: let me tell you,
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  SPEAKER_02: I got friends and I didn't see it,
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_02: but he told me,
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  SPEAKER_02: he was like, yo, when I like, I'm erect, like it kind of like goes back down.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
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  SPEAKER_02: So it depends on how much skin you have.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, let me just tell you, I got a lot of hoodie.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, so I'm very much this guy, you know, and I'm willing to rep it.
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  SPEAKER_02: No issue with guys who are cut, no judgment, but I will say this.
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  SPEAKER_02: No judgment?
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  SPEAKER_02: He's so cool.
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  SPEAKER_03: No, I will say this, guys,
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  SPEAKER_02: that the wars that are being fought right now are between two cut groups, okay?
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_02: That's all I'm going to say.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_02: If that hits, if it hits, it hits.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_03: Dude, we got to stand up.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_03: This is the first Vibe Samurai.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know what it is?
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_02: Your life starts with violence.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm saying.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm saying.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's my theory.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: But tell everybody about the drumsticks and the hoodies.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_03: Like, will the girl pick this or this, right?
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_03: And the drumsticks.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the drumsticks.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because I was like,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: do you ever,
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  SPEAKER_02: when you're eating a chicken drumstick, do you ever tear the skin off first?
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  SPEAKER_02: You don't, right?
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_03: No, right?
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, don't be a psychopath.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_02: Or let's say a girl wants to borrow some clothes.
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  SPEAKER_02: What does she usually put on?
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  SPEAKER_02: The crew neck or the hoodie?
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  SPEAKER_02: Which one, guys?
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  SPEAKER_02: Which one?
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_02: Always the hoodie.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_02: Always the hoodie, bro.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_02: Always the hoodie.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_03: See, this is, bro, you're making me feel sad.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_03: You're making me feel good about having a hoodie, bro.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_03: No, I'm serious, bro.
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  SPEAKER_03: 51 years, and I've been ashamed of my hoodie, bro.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_03: I'm going to be honest right now.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_03: It all comes out, bro.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_03: I've been ashamed of my hoodie.
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  SPEAKER_02: But you know what's funny is that there's actually a trend in America now
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  SPEAKER_02: that there's a little bit
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: less cutting now.
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  SPEAKER_02: So more and more parents are going full natty on their kids.
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  SPEAKER_02: And because especially, I feel like as long as you It's true.
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  SPEAKER_02: You got to clean it, though.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you should always clean it, but you definitely got to clean it.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_02: No, no,
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_02: but what about the feta cheese part, bro?
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, my God.
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  SPEAKER_02: No, I had to.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_02: And here's the thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Why did all of us laugh like that immediately?
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  SPEAKER_02: When you said feta cheese, why?
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_02: You know I'm riding for the squad, but I also got to keep it 100% real.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_02: I keep it real, guys.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_02: Keep it real.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_02: That there is a thing called knob cheese, all right?
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  SPEAKER_02: And we know this.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_02: If you, you know, I think it's a British term.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_02: Apparently a lot of Brits are full natty too.
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  SPEAKER_02: But if there is,
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  SPEAKER_02: there can be knob cheese over time if you don't pull it back and wash it, you know?
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm saying nowadays you just gotta, you know, just...
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  SPEAKER_02: Some people do that.
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  SPEAKER_03: They don't pull back and wash, bro.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_03: What is that, laziness or what, bro?
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_02: Or they don't do it every day or they go weeks without it.
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  SPEAKER_02: It is a thing to think about it, but I'll tell you this.
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  SPEAKER_02: I feel like it keeps you humble.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: It keeps you humble.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_03: Keeps you honest, yeah.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_03: Bro, Andrew,
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  SPEAKER_03: so because I want to get to identity because you started...
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_03: That is my first identity, by the way.
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  SPEAKER_03: Which one?
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_02: Above Asian.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's Natty.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_02: It's Natty.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_03: Bro, you got to work that into your company.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Asian-ness.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_03: Bro, so go over your YouTube history.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_03: What I was surprised with while I was looking into your stuff,
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  SPEAKER_03: you've been... Bro, you are an OG YouTuber.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_03: Like, when did you...
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_03: You start, and you got 10 million views, 15 million views, and it was all talking about Asians.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm wondering, like, damn, 10 million Asians were watching that shit?
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_03: Or were there white people watching that shit?
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_03: You know, but they were being seen.
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  SPEAKER_03: You were one of the first creators to make Asians feel
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  SPEAKER_02: seen, guys.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you, thank you.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, I'm not the first Asian YouTuber, me and my bro.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're definitely not the first.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's definitely before us.
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  SPEAKER_02: But as far as, like, hitting...
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_02: The topic of kind of translating Asian American culture or I would say narrating it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Not necessarily making it up.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to take credit for making up any culture, but we definitely labeled it.
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  SPEAKER_02: We talked about it.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_02: We gave it its proper spotlight and we treated it like a real subculture.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_02: And I feel like...
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for acknowledging.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_02: That is what we did.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't create it.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't create Boba.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_02: We talked about Boba.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_02: What does Boba mean?
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_02: How come Boba shops are such a...
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_02: Bubble 2 shops are such a...
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_03: Explain the bubble.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_03: Explain to these white guys.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_02: No, I mean, you guys probably... You guys have had it before.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_02: Of course, right?
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_02: Boba 2.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, shit.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry, guys.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_02: I thought it was an... Dude, I haven't been in America for a while.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_02: How long have you been in Brazil?
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_02: Come on.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_02: Where are you at?
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_02: Are you in Rio?
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_02: Are you in Rio?
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_02: Florianopolis, bro.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_02: Florianopolis.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_02: You lost me, bro.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_02: I don't even know.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_02: Florianopolis.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_03: Bro, that's the secret little thing.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_03: We got to do our thing.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_03: We need to collabs, bro, in New York.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_02: So, yeah.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I think shout out to my brother that was my partner.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_02: He's still my partner, but he's in Asia right now.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_02: So it's funny.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_02: You and him share.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_02: He's a different conversation, too, to me.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_02: But I think like we always wanted to,
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_02: we always felt this urge to like So I will say like being inspired by a lot
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_02: of black comedians or black artists on how they were repping the black community
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_02: or like they were just talking about it.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_02: They were like, hey, we got these dynamics.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_02: This is what it is.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_02: You know, white people are like this.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_02: Black people are like this.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_02: Or like, you know, light skins are like this.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_02: And then black, you know, they have all these jokes and all this like depth to it.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, hey, like Asians, like I watch all these black comedians.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_02: I love them.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like,
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_02: I'm totally influenced by them,
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_02: but I'm like,
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_02: we're just like, hey, like,
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_02: we could, like,
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_02: no one's really talking about being Asian in a similar way,
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_02: like, kind of breaking it down like that.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_02: It might,
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_02: it's not the same,
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_02: by the way,
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not saying being Asian and being,
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_02: like, African American are the same, but But absolutely, we have our culture.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_02: We have our groups.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_02: We have our internal differences.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_02: We have our visual differences.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_02: We have our motherland politics.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_02: We have history.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_02: We have diaspora.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_02: We have all this stuff where it was like, hey.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_02: We have all the food.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't even mention the food.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_02: And then we have all these dynamics when we come to America.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_02: Dating, you know,
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_02: how Asian women are perceived,
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_02: how Asian men are perceived, blah, blah, blah, all this stuff.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_02: And we're like, we're aware of all this stuff.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_02: And we're just like, yo, there's so much to talk about.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_02: Why can't we talk about it?
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_02: So we started making videos.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_02: No one was talking about it, bro.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_02: Not really.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_02: Not hitting the head on the hammer so many times.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_02: And then we even had other really good YouTube friends that were earnestly like,
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_02: hey, guys, are you going to make every video about being Asian?
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_02: And then we were like... And these were other great, bigger YouTubers than us.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_02: And they were still questioning.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_02: And we were like, dude, we have like...
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_02: A billion plus people.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_02: Two billion if you count South Asians, right?
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_02: We should, but I'm just saying there's some separation there.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, no, no, no, no.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_03: We can't get you canceled.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, two billion people.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_02: We have like Up to 5,000 years of history.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_02: You don't think we got enough stuff to talk about?
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, I don't think we're gonna run out of content.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_02: And so we just kept going at it.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_02: And even if some people felt it was redundant because they saw
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_02: that we could also talk about other things.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_02: You know, we have other big...
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_02: Videos, just talking about sneakers,
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_02: doing makeovers,
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_02: talking about haircuts, talking about... Culture, Air Jordans and all that, right?
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_02: Culture, yeah, yeah.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_02: Basketball, you know, we're very culturally fluid in what we can talk about.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_02: But we chose to heavily focus on Asian stuff.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_02: And I know that some people are like, why are you always talking about being Asian?
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_02: Or maybe they just like our basketball stuff.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_02: They're like, man, you guys just keep talking about basketball.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_02: Why are you talking about being Asian?
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_02: And we're just like...
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry, like, our channel is gonna have everything.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_02: And so as the years go on and things evolve,
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_02: channels are asked essentially by the market to kind of specialize, right?
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_02: And this is why when you start content, you're a Vibe Samurai.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_02: You're talking about this.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_02: You're breaking down, like, you know, like psychology, mental health, all this stuff, right?
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_02: And you're probably not gonna go on a food tour and start doing mukbangs, right?
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_02: It wouldn't really...
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, some people might watch it online.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_02: You can, but I wouldn't recommend it.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_03: You wouldn't recommend it, bro?
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_03: I wouldn't recommend it.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_02: You can do different stuff on live,
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_02: and this is very personable,
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_02: but if you were just trying to grow your channel to the maximum,
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_02: you keep it on one topic so that people know what they can expect, right?
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_02: The Food Network is all about food.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_02: The TV channels, right?
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_02: So as time went on, I think...
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_02: The market kind of said, like, hey, everybody's specializing in stuff.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_02: There's full-on basketball channels.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_02: There's full-on sneaker channels.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_02: There's full-on political channels.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_02: And there's still not that many full-on Asian channels.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_02: And we were like, yo, we know how to talk about Asian shit.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_02: We're still going to go at it and like,
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_02: this is a topic that we feel comfortable making another like 500 videos about
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_02: because it's obviously personal to me.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_02: It means something to me and my friends and my culture.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_02: And honestly, it is actually still a relevant identity.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_02: And it's going to be for many years to come.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, even the whole thing between America and China is going to be an ongoing tug
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_02: of war contest and like friend of new thing.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_02: For decades, honestly.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_02: It won't get solved even, I don't even know in our lifetime.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_02: I think they're just gonna be kind of these frenemy rivals for a long time,
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_03: you know?
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, but you don't think like us as Asian Americans,
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_03: because I see this, I don't have kids, but I have a nephew and niece.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_03: And so I see it right in the next generation, like they've lost a lot of the Asianness, right?
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_03: So like what we experienced might just be a transition period.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_03: Because to be honest,
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_03: like even for me,
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_03: I used to be more Asian centric,
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_03: but as I got older, And understanding the world better.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm kind of more Buddhist.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_03: What is identity?
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I'm saying?
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of it's like let go.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_02: Not to sum it up, but that's one of the aspects of Buddhism.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_02: Unattachment.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_02: You study Buddhism, right?
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_03: You think there's a transition period right here?
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_03: In my opinion,
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_03: the truth
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_02: is as Asia rises up with power and Asia gets more powerful,
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_02: the Asian culture keeps getting refreshed.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_02: Because there's more and more immigrants coming over.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_02: And there's also more and more content and culture from there.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_02: And more and more people going back and forth.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_02: Now, simultaneously, both countries are becoming a little bit more like each other.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_02: I think obviously Asia,
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_02: you could say, obviously got more Western influence earlier on and quicker.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_02: But by all means,
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_02: I'm in New York City and I see literal Chinese fast food chains popping up all
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_02: over New York.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_02: Oof.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_02: They're not even luxury in China.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_02: They're literally fast food in China and they're coming to New York.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm saying,
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_02: and that's just like a small little example,
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_02: you know, and there's more and more Mandarin classes.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_02: My little nephews in the Bay Area are growing up more Chinese than I was.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_02: And they're not even full Chinese, right?
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_02: They're mixed.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_02: But they're going to immersion school.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_02: And so half of their day is literally in Mandarin.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm just like, dude, that's more like Chinese.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_02: Because I grew up trying to assimilate,
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_02: my parents did speak enough English where it's like we didn't have to speak
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_02: the language at home.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_02: So in a weird way, there's certain like...
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_02: Depending on who you are, I think it's going to get refreshed.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't think there's anything wrong fully with Asian kids becoming more Americanized.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's funny because as Asian Americans,
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_02: a lot of the,
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to say complaining,
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_02: but a lot of the rhetoric was like,
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_02: when are Asians going to be treated just like any other Americans, right?
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_02: But then we're getting there a little bit closer now.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_02: In the past 20 years, we've seen changes in that.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_02: And then you start to realize you're like, well, feed it like any other American.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_02: Does that mean they're erasing our identity?
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_02: That now everybody's seen as the exact same, right?
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_02: I think you want to be equal but not seen as the same.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_02: And I think it's just a tricky space and it's a tricky thing to explain to people who...
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe wanna think about things very black and white.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_02: Like are you gonna be American or are you this yellow Asian shit
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_02: where you're like always repping Asian stuff and you're just an Asian living
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_02: in America?
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_02: There's no nuance, right?
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_02: And in their defense, it is a more complex thing.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_02: I understand.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_02: And it kind of takes people, for Americans to have traveled a little bit and seen these things.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_02: I don't always want to be here And everybody's face in America being like,
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_02: yo, it's all about Asian power, Asian power.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, we don't need to say that.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_02: That was when we were kids.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_02: We had to have Asian pride.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_02: Do you remember that time?
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_02: Asian pride.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, where are you from real quick?
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_02: Just so I get a little background.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_02: Gavin.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, me?
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_02: No, Bruno.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_02: Me, Vibe?
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_02: What is your name?
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Vibe.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_02: I'll probably use Vibe.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_02: Don't even tell me your government.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_02: Where are you from, though?
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_02: Like, where did you grow up?
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_02: I grew up in New York, bro.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_02: In Flushing, Queens.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_02: I'm from Florida, Queens.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_02: So do you remember, I don't know if you remember this time about, like, Asian pride.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I think, I don't know if you're older than me, but...
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_02: I am.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, probably.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_02: But not, like, by 20 years.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_02: I'm 51.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_02: I'm 51.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, 20 years.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_02: All right, so... Dang.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_02: Dang.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_02: All right, you're good for 51, bro.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, really?
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_03: Damn, that's a compliment.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_02: Damn.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_02: So anyways, like, yeah, I mean,
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_02: I just think the whole attitude,
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_02: I think,
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_02: a lot of Asian Americans are evolving in their message and,
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_02: growing up,
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_02: to put it plainly,
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_02: it's kind of like you're growing up here and you kind of decide,
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_02: oh, am I going to be more white or black?
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_02: Or FOB.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_02: FOB Asian, right?
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_02: Fresh off the boat, Asian, right?
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_02: It's either like you're FOB,
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_02: you're gonna sink into anime,
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_02: CPOP, K-pop, J-pop at the time, you know, Gundam Wing, Pokemon, blah, blah, blah.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_02: You're gonna live in this world,
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_02: and you're gonna be on your Game Boy with big-ass
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_03: glasses, or...
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_02: Or you're gonna lean into, like, white American-ness, right?
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_02: Like, all American, which wasn't the wrong answer at the time.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of people were.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_02: Or you're gonna lean more into minority culture, which was led by Black people, you know?
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_02: And that was, like,
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_02: I was kind of, like,
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_02: in between,
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_02: those two kind of mish-mashing, you know, taking from here and, like, my influences.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, oh, love rap, basketball, sneakers, you know?
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_02: But obviously, all the girls that I liked in school were white.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_02: You know?
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm like...
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_02: Dude, do I put all my Abercrombie and Fitch and pop the collar?
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_03: How has that changed, the dating between, you know, at that time and now?
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_03: At that time and now, it must be very different.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_03: It's definitely different.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_03: It's definitely different.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't say it's like...
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_02: Flipped, like, 180.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_02: It's not flipped the script.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_02: You know,
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_02: I still think they,
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_02: but I think,
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_02: yeah, like, with the younger generation, man, they're a lot more open to it.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_02: Like, dude,
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_02: when you meet a girl who,
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_02: like, she's non-Asian and she's learned some Mandarin, you're like, So much closer.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_02: Or if she's really into
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_02: K-pop, if they're really into K-pop, K-dramas, you know what I mean?
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_02: Like that whole thing.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_02: But this is what I'm saying.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_02: But that's not guaranteed.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to say it's... You know, nothing is...
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_02: But I'll say this,
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_02: that a lot more of your like,
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_02: I guess,
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_02: top tier,
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_02: like good looking,
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_02: stylish Asian guys when they're dating around,
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_02: they have a lot wider pool than they used to.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_02: So it's definitely the playing field has definitely evened a little bit.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_02: I would still say a lot of.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it just depends on where you're at, to be honest, man.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_02: That's all I can say.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, exactly.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_03: Bro, isn't it crazy?
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_03: This is really amazing to have seen this evolution, right?
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_03: Like, you know, like the impact K-pop and K-drama had, right?
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I remember, bro, in the 90s, I was in Flushing and my parents were watching Korean TV.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_03: There's two Korean channels.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_03: And so I would walk by And then there would be like boy bands and they were terrible.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, this is so corny.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_03: I can't even watch this shit.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_03: And then at some point there was some government official got on the news and said,
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_03: you know what, we're going to invest in our media.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_03: And we want to export our culture.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_03: It was an explicit initiative of the government to export their culture,
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_03: invested billions, and then boom, K-pop, K-drunk.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_03: And what I'm saying is, like,
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_03: so much of this stuff So
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_03: if you show more Asians and more Asians are not just
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_03: a nerdy math guy or skinny dude, small penis dude, you know what I'm saying?
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_03: It changes things.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_03: And I remember talking to my friends about this at the time when we used to say,
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_03: nothing's going to change this unless you change the culture, media, culture.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_03: What do you think about all that?
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_02: But it's amazing how it changed.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's been huge.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_02: But what I will say is it's always, it's a multifactorial equation, man.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's like the media is definitely,
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_02: definitely,
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_02: definitely has changed and has helped because what people see,
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_02: people are influenced by media.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_02: They're like,
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_02: once a girl can imagine you as a love lead in a romance movie, then it helps a lot.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_02: Like, just that imagery helps, you know what I mean?
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm not to say,
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_02: like, oh, it's so easy, like, you know, to put down on whatever, how women think.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_02: But men, we all think this way, too.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm just saying, like,
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_02: when you start to see Asians in K-dramas and as loving people and
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_02: as handsome people, as love people, as, like, You know, they make love, whatever.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_02: They make love.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, people needed to see that.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_02: People needed to see an Asian guy just smash.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_02: Like, even under the sheets, they just needed to see
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_03: that.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_02: Because they just needed to know that we even used them.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_02: So...
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_02: So, but it's always, what I think is even more influential, and this is my take, is in person.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_02: So when things align where people,
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_02: Asians get cooler,
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_02: they get more bold, more confident, more stylish, more out there, more, you know,
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_02: I think the statistics that Asians are even getting taller as the years go on too.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of our grandparents, they didn't eat a lot of meat.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_02: So we don't know how tall they're actually supposed to be.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_02: They could be supposed to be an inch or two taller.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm saying now Asians are essentially more putting their mind to this.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_02: And I think the Asian guys got cooler and everything got better.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_02: So the media made us a cooler and the Asian guys still,
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_02: because at the end of the day, listen,
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_02: if all the Asian dudes are nerdy and I'm sorry to say,
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_02: but very fobby in an unappealing way,
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_02: first of all,
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_02: there's cool fobs, but there's like the unappealing, you know, dorky fobs.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_02: Like if all the Asian guys are like that and the media paints us as cool,
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_02: it still doesn't really have the impact.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's not like they're like, oh, this guy, Okay, yeah, I still love Asians.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's not going to work that way.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_02: It has to match up close enough.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_02: So, like,
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_02: when they watch a K-drama,
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_02: C-drama,
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_02: or Jeremy Lin, right,
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_02: where it breaks the consciousness of the mass population,
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_02: where they're like, hey,
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_02: look at this Asian guy, like,
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_02: kind of doing,
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_02: they're athletic,
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_02: they're speaking English,
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_02: they're kind of cool,
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_02: they're not looking, like, look at this guy, like, tearing it up, you know?
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_02: So those things,
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_02: everything,
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_02: comes together and I think it was like it's totally uh it's it's due to
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_02: the era it's due to the concerted efforts of you know South Korea and even all
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_02: the other Asian countries but South Korea
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_02: for sure I'm not I'm not gonna lie they deliberately deliberately went for it and
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_02: so this is funny there's this funny quote um uh uh man somebody left this on my
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_02: So it goes... Oh, it made me laugh.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_02: It goes, Japanese made the West love Asian culture.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_02: Korea made the West love Asian man.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_02: And China... China is...
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_02: It's just always going to rival the West.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_02: And I
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_02: was like, I was like, oh, shit.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_02: Like China's just never going to get westernized because it's too big.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's too big of a, it's too much of its own monster.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, let's see.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_03: Let's take a question here.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_03: Why people come here to talk about Asian identity complaining about it being about Asians?
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_03: What?
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_03: Does anyone make it?
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_03: Does this make sense?
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe some people talking smack in the comments.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think people just hate him.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_03: Bro, this guy is one of our omnivore guys.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_03: You know that?
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_03: That's Tobias, isn't it?
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's Tobias.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_02: What's the question?
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know, bro.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know if he's being a troll or what.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: It's slightly high.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: You can unpin that.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah, unpin that.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, I'm curious.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: Go ahead, Cisco.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: What is, like...
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_00: Well, what's the beef between the Asians?
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_00: Is there any beef going on?
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'm curious.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, God.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, hey, hey, Andrew, it's there.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_02: That's pretty funny.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_02: This guy is super juiced
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_02: on all my material right now.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_01: I do my step work, man.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_02: You were splurging my content right before this.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_02: Beef today in America between, I would say on a large scale, not really that much right now.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously the motherland stuff can fuel some beefs if like people are very tapped
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_02: into that, but most of like American born Asians I think the beefs are over.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_02: But in the past,
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_02: for sure,
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_02: when everybody is even as an immigrant,
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_02: or young teenage kids or immigrants,
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_02: they're going to they're going to just rep
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_02: for their own squad versus like this larger Asian identity, you know?
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_02: So I think.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously,
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_02: coming from World War II, like,
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_02: you could say, oh,
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_02: a lot of, like,
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_02: Koreans or not all Chinese,
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_02: but a segment of Chinese,
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_02: maybe half Chinese, were, like, against Japanese people for a while.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you would still meet some Chinese whose parents or grandparents were like,
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_02: I will not buy a Japanese car.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_02: I will not buy a Honda or Kia.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_02: All right?
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_02: And then as far as...
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_02: And then obviously the China-Taiwan thing,
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_02: but that was more of a thing when maybe 15 years ago,
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_02: 10 years,
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_02: like more than 10 plus years ago,
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_02: it was more of a, oh, I'm Taiwanese, I'm not Chinese, dude.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_02: And then now I think everybody kind of chilled out.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that there's just so much mixing.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_02: So I think that beef is kind of like over, but it's kind of funny.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_02: I'll tease my Taiwanese friends.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I'll be like, oh, you know, about it.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_02: But I actually have a joke about it, too.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_02: But, and then there's...
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_03: I want to hear it.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_03: That was no joke, bro.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_03: Come on, we need more jokes.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, let's liven up the room.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_03: People are complaining right now.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_03: They're like, I'm bored.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_02: So this is true story.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_02: It's true story.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_02: I'm walking through Chinatown after I ate food,
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_02: and I got some leftovers,
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_02: and I see a homeless guy, and I'm like, hey, bro, are you hungry?
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_02: You want some food?
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_02: And he, like, looks at me, he's like,
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_02: What's in it?
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, it's food.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_02: Do you want, are you hungry?
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_02: He goes, is it Chinese?
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_02: He literally says that.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, yo, what?
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, we're in Chinatown, bro.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_02: And then I was like, actually, it's, well, technically, I went to a Taiwanese restaurant.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_02: And then he goes, oh, that ain't Chinese yet.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_03: He said, that ain't Chinese?
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's mostly a true story.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, so...
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_02: But about, like, Southeast Asians, like, there's not really a beef.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_02: I think some people like to feel stuff, like,
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_02: the really super woke, like, crowd likes to say, like, oh, there's, like, this...
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_02: Like East Asians are racist towards like the Southeast Asians
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_02: because they're tanner skin,
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_02: and they're not exactly the same,
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_02: even though there's obviously a lot of mixing over time,
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_02: but they're not,
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_02: they come from different parts of Asia and it's the East Asians are the rich Asians
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_02: and they have all the Asian power.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_02: And then like,
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_02: and I'm just like, dude, like I grew up with all Southeast Asian friends in Seattle.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_02: So that was never an issue.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_02: And I think they're just trying to make it more of an issue than it is
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_02: because one thing I'll say is like,
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_02: you cannot just,
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_02: I use this word import Western dynamics of black versus white
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_02: and literally transfer them to Asia.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_02: And it does not still work.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_02: Like literally the exchange does not work
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_02: when you take like what is considered racism or all these things that happened
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_02: in America.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_02: And you try to apply it to Asian dynamics in Asia, it does not work.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_00: It does not match up.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_02: Like Chinese,
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_02: when they went to Southeast Asia,
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_02: a lot of Chinese over the last hundreds of years,
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_02: the Chinese diaspora, right,
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_02: mostly Southern Chinese,
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_02: Fujian and Guangdong, they went to all the parts of Southeast Asia.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_02: As merchants, they didn't like there was no slavery.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_02: There was no like super abuse.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_02: They were just setting up shop, you know, and then they become part of a fabric.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_02: And then,
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_02: and yes,
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_02: in some of those countries, the upper class looks a little bit more Chinese.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_02: That is true.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_02: That comes from the merchant class, comes from the people who went there.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_02: But there wasn't like this.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um, system of oppression kind of like there was in America,
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_02: not even close to what it was in America,
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_02: where you have slavery, Jim Crow, all that stuff.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, guys, like, this is a completely different dynamic.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_02: So like,
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_02: when people say that, like,
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_02: and I had this argument,
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to go into this too,
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_02: but I have a lot to say about this because I feel strongly,
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, I don't, you cannot do that.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_02: You cannot just bring, like, The colorism in America and bring it to Southeast Asia.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, in East Asia, they like fair skin.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_02: But it's mostly because you weren't out in the sun.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like a completely different reason than like in America, you know, or in other parts.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_02: And then there's also this part where like I was arguing with a friend.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_02: And people just say this off the cuff.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_02: They're not, you know, they're not diving into it as deep.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_02: But I was like, oh, I'm going to dive into it because you said it.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_02: They were like joking.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_02: They're like, yeah, you know, everybody's racist.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_02: But like Asians are the most racist.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like...
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_02: What do you mean?
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, no, no, no.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_02: We're going to have this conversation now that I'm here.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, no, no, no.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, I'm going to drill you on this because I was like, what do you mean by that?
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_02: And they're like, oh, you know, agents are like, oh, they're kind of racist towards each other.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, okay, so what happens?
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_02: What are we doing?
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_02: That's so...
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, first of all, Japan was racist at a time.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they were, bro.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_02: They treated the Korean badly, bro.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_02: They treated very badly, bro.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, they messed up the Chinese, too, but we just have more people, so... Love to the Japanese.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_02: Love to the Japanese.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but now,
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_02: yeah, I mean, you are samurai, so you're appropriating their most lauded warriors.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_02: So there you go.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just like,
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_02: what I'm saying is like,
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_02: you can't like,
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_02: I was like,
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_02: you can't just say that because if you say that amongst,
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_02: to non-Asians,
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_02: what does that look,
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_02: that looks like you're almost selling us out, but it's like not even true.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_02: It's not even based in any truth.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, what's so racist?
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, well,
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_02: my grandma said this thing about like, like,
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_02: they're like,
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_02: old people, immigrants in America say this thing and they'll say these offhand.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, that's prejudice.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_02: Everybody's prejudice.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, racist?
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_02: If you're going to say the most racist, are we oppressing people?
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_02: Are we setting anything up?
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_02: Are we stopping?
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_02: In fact, we got all these shops that people come towards.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_02: Now, there's interactions within those shops that on an individual basis can be racist.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_02: Koreans, shout out.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_03: We're the worst, baby.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_02: No, but at the same time,
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_02: you guys are also in there, and there's a lot of community building, too.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_02: But there's people always going to point out the downside interactions.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_02: Of course, we get it.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_02: Listen, different people interacting with each other.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_02: Of course, there's going to be some bad stuff.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_02: By and large, I would say it mostly works, at least as an economy, right?
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, guys, we're not stopping people from doing it.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_02: We have no power over anybody.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_02: We're not using our power against anybody.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_02: Even in Asia,
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_02: like in China,
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_02: there's like, A huge population of Africans, and they're letting Africans through.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, Guangzhou has a whole place called Chocolate City.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_02: There's like,
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_02: it's like,
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, guys,
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_02: there's like, I'm like, what is, you cannot point to anything concrete and tell me.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_02: There's nothing concrete that you can say that would validate that Asians are more racist.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_02: Everybody has prejudice, okay?
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_02: And of course,
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_02: old immigrants,
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_02: when they come to this country and they see just a bunch of faces on the news,
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_02: and that's a particular color that's on the news, and of course they'll say stuff.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_02: Like, my parents didn't, but I obviously know a lot of parents who have said stuff.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_02: But really, what did they do about it?
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_02: They didn't do anything.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_02: It's just stuff they're saying within the house.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_02: So I think a lot of people are like,
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_02: oh, these prejudiced things that people have said, it means they're terribly racist.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, yo, your grandma's not terribly racist.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_02: That's a good point, man.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_02: Like, probably not.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_02: They're just like, they're just old and they just say shit.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_02: They're just like,
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_03: oh, scary.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like, but you bring in a nice one and it's fun.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_02: But
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_03: then like,
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_03: as Koreans,
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_03: we would say about the Chinese,
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_03: you know, you guys are like, you know, like kind of like dirtier.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_03: Dirtier.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_03: And what else?
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_03: That's fucked up.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_03: Cheaper.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_03: Cheaper.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_03: That's not racist.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_02: Well, we can say that words can be prejudiced and kind of racist,
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_02: but what does it really manifest?
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_02: Koreans weren't waging war against us.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_03: For me, racist means you shouldn't exist.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_03: You shouldn't exist.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_03: Our race is the best or whatever, right?
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_03: That to me is racist.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and you can even think that your race...
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_02: Or your culture is cooler than other people.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_02: And you still treat other people with basic level of respect.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_02: And as long as you're treating everybody with respect,
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_02: but you go home and talk shit about them, That's not, that's pretty fucking normal.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_02: You know, like,
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_02: of course,
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure, like,
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_02: you wouldn't want to tell and pass down those thoughts to your kids,
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_02: you know, because those are just based on your experiences.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_02: Listen, if you have a bunch of bad experiences with this group of people and
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_02: that makes up half of the experiences you have with those people and so half
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_02: of your interactions are,
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_02: like, negative, then, of course, you're going to feel that way.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_02: But that doesn't mean your kids are going to feel that way.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like,
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_02: as long as You're not really stopping people,
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_02: not hurting people, not going up to them in public.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_02: You're still living amongst the people and treating them with basic respect.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_02: When we talk about racism back then in America,
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_02: obviously, Black people were not getting respect.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_02: They were not treated equally.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_02: They were not treated with a basic level of respect.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, yeah.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_02: You know,
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_02: that was that time,
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_02: and then now,
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like,
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_02: you're trying to apply that to Asians,
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_02: like, just because the East Asians are lighter, you know what I'm saying?
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, guys,
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_02: this is,
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_02: and I'm not to say, like,
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_02: all Southeast Asians do this,
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_02: but I just feel like that there's that conversation where I'm just like, guys, like,
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_02: we really got to peel this back,
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_02: you know, like, no pun intended to what we were talking about earlier.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_02: We got to peel it back.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_03: We got to pull it back.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_02: Followed it back.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_03: But Andrew, I don't know what your
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_02: followers are thinking right now.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_03: They're like, who is this guy?
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_03: I've already lost 10,000 followers, bro.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_03: It's okay, bro.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_03: You're like 500K.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_03: It's okay.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_03: You'll get them back.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, bro,
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_03: but Cisco, Cisco,
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_03: now that we Asians have risen up and we're getting more powerful and we got through
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_03: that shit, now the white people have their turn.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_03: And Cisco feels like as a young man,
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_03: he's like, you know, you know, he's getting, he's getting too much.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_00: Asian, does that count?
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I don't know.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_02: No, how old are you, bro?
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_00: How old are you?
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_02: I'm 25.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_02: 25, so you're Gen Z.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_02: So, so I guess like,
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_02: do you get a sense that you're like, oh, is being, are you white, like white, white?
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_02: Or are you like Portuguese?
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_02: Portuguese.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_02: Portuguese, white passing.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_02: Like a white Latino, I guess.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_03: White Latino.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_03: I like that, bro.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not, I didn't make that up.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_03: Bro, that's a good term, white Latino, bro.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_03: You gotta use it.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_03: Dude, what are you talking about?
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_02: On the census in America, it literally asks you, are you Hispanic?
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_02: Are you non-white Hispanic?
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, okay, what's going on?
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_02: The census has it.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_02: They know.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_02: They know.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_02: Do you feel like being a young white guy is not as cool?
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_02: Or do you ever feel like that pressure that minority,
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_02: like everybody's saying, oh, white means this, white means that.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_02: Do you get that sense?
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_02: Or your white friends?
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_00: I guess there's a collective grouping up against whites.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_00: And then there was this kind of like,
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_00: you can't say this, you can't say that, you cannot do this.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_00: And then it kind of created, in the social hierarchy, you just had more power culturally.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_00: And we just had to shut up.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_02: So that was kind of interesting.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, I think...
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_02: I think if there was any, like...
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_02: I think that there was...
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_02: It happened already.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_02: I think the time that everybody was kind of like, hey, white guy, shut up.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not saying that time was good, but I mean that getting past that time is good.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_02: Now that I think we're a little bit past and people are like, yo, chill out.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_02: Everybody's cool.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_02: Did some people, not even all white guys, need to get a certain message?
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_02: I think so.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_02: I think that was...
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_02: I think it was...
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_02: It maybe shouldn't have been that way, but, you know, again, like, change is hard, right?
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_02: We don't always know how progress happens.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_02: And I think now we peel it back.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_02: And I was never, you know, leading that charge.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_02: No, I'm good.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_02: And then I was never, like,
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_02: super big on,
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_02: like, that kind of verbiage and making, like, people feel bad like that.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_02: But I think some people needed to get checked a little bit.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_02: And so I like that things have cooled down.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_02: And I think it's in a much better space than it was like three,
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_02: four or five years ago, you know, when I would be honest, I started to feel bad.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, damn, like, this guy's nice.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_02: Like, he didn't need to do that.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_03: Like, why are we, you know, and unfortunately, you think the culture is shifting?
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well, I think it's a pendulum that swung.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_02: And I think like, It was very, very far.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, wokeism is coming from the decline, it feels a little bit.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well, I think it cooled off.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_02: And I think people,
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_02: it's like a bubble,
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_02: like one of those things that's like, it heats up and then it kind of contracted.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_02: Back to kind of what should be more of a normal side.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_02: Now, it might go back down and up.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_02: As we can see,
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_02: during those past five,
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_02: six years, it actually pushed some guys to go far the other way, right?
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_02: And that was not necessarily helpful or healthy, you know?
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_02: So that's what I feel bad for, you know?
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_02: So that's what I mean.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_02: I don't really think, like, if I was in charge of it...
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_02: Damn, if I had all the power, it wouldn't have
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_03: been done like
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_02: that, right?
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_02: But of course, that's not how things work out.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_02: It's messy.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_02: It's messy.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_02: It's messy.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_02: It's messy.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_02: It's messy.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_03: Feel better, Cisco?
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_03: Feel better, Cisco?
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_03: Things are turning.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_02: I feel good.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_02: Dude, if Asian girls want to date you,
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_03: I don't care.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, do it.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_03: Hit him up.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_03: Hit him up.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_03: Can you hit him up?
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_03: He's a beautiful boy.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_02: He's going places, bro.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not matchmaking, by the way.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not giving any connects.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_02: But if they like you, they like you.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_02: Where it's like, yeah, I mean,
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_02: I think that I think the playing field just needed to feel like it was getting
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_02: a little bit more level and people are a little bit better off now.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I remember in New York, like, I was in New York.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_02: I haven't lived here for 15, for 12 years straight, but I visited first like 12, 10 years ago.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_02: I've always visited New York and like I used to get a lot more like tension from white dudes.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_02: Like I remember I was on a date with this Asian girl who I would say had that look
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_02: that would appeal to white guys,
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_02: which is I'm not going to describe it,
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_02: but you guys just kind of know what I'm saying.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I know.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_02: At least vibe, you know what I'm saying.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_02: So I was like at a bar and it's like a small speakeasy and I'm sitting there
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_02: and we're like, you know, we're getting into it.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_02: We're just like laughing and enjoying each other.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_02: And I go over the shoulder like this.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_02: Taller white dude next to me kind of keeps looking over and maybe checking out
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_02: the girl and how much fun we're having.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_02: And he's kind of like, I don't know, I'm not getting great vibes from him, you know?
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_02: It happened for like a few minutes, like multiple times.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_02: He looks back and then like we...
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_02: Damn.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_02: Like almost like he was like, like shit, like what?
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_02: With them or whatever, like, you know, like almost like he was jealous.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_02: And I was just like, dude, chill.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_02: Like you probably get...
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_02: Plenty of play.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like, calm.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_02: Get out of my face, bro, you know?
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_02: And then we went outside,
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_02: and me and the girl went outside,
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_02: and we were, like,
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_02: just kind of kissing on the sidewalk because I like PDA,
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_02: and I like to... Maybe that's my Latino side.
• 50:23
  Damn, bro!
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, baby!
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_03: I learned that.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_02: I learned that.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_02: Where do you usually hear the Latino sign from, bro?
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's definitely from L.A.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_02: when I saw all the Central Americans rolling on the grass together,
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_02: just loving each other.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_02: Like, dude,
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_02: there's nothing greater than, like,
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_02: Central Americans after work getting off,
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_02: and then they're like, they just fucking love each other so much.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_02: Like, it just makes me so happy.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_02: Like, they're on the train, and they're just like, What is up with that, bro?
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_02: What is up with that?
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_02: They really love each other that hard?
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_02: No, they just love each other.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_02: They're like, yeah, like Maria.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_02: They're like, oh, Jose.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_02: And they're just like, it's like inspiring to see kind of actually.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_02: I love to see it.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_02: But anyways,
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_02: so long story short,
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_02: every time we used to come to New York,
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_02: we used to get into it with like, White dudes, essentially.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_02: Like,
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_02: the only street fight I've ever been in was of these tall white dudes from Canada,
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_02: I think.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_02: And they were talking shit and, you know, everybody's drunk.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, there's no girls in the groups, of course.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_02: It's just a bunch of dude energy.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_02: And so it's just like that stuff has not happened in like I haven't even felt close
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_02: to that in like six, seven years, you know?
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_02: And so I think like either those people moved out of New York or they calmed down
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_02: or maybe the whole Asian hate thing kind of like let people know like,
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_02: yo, man, like why is everybody fucking picking on Asians?
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_02: You know, like we ain't doing anything wrong.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_03: So I think that there's always like these
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_02: Unfortunately, sometimes change comes from tragedy.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_02: And there was some tragic stuff that happened during that time.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_02: But at least the silver lining is that I did think there was a shift.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there was Asian girls who literally told me to my face that I was
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_02: the first Asian guy they went out with.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_02: Me too, bro.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_02: Me too.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_02: And they had not done it.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_02: And something changed in them after... Bro,
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_03: once you go Asian, you don't go Caucasian.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_03: Once you go Asian, you don't go Caucasian.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_03: I actually don't even know if that's true.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not even sure.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_03: It's true, bro.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_03: It's totally true, bro.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_03: At least with the guys, I think.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, maybe, you know, maybe you keep them.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe your retention rate's high.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm saying, like...
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_02: Like sometimes those big events, right?
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_02: It's a paradigm shift for people in their mind where they're like,
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_02: oh, like, we're getting like attacked.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_02: Like basically anytime you feel like your people are getting attacked,
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_02: that is when unity is going to happen.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't unify forever,
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_02: but there will be a burst and a kind of like a fever of unity happening.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_02: You think so?
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it did.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_02: It did.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_02: Now, I'm not saying it kept like that, but there was like, you know, like everybody felt it.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_02: Like 9-11.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_02: Like 9-11, you remember the vibe?
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_02: No, to be honest, like, yeah, it's crazy to like even compare it to that.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, now that I think about it, that was...
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_02: It was kind of like, you know, when everybody was like, oh, are they going to intern us again?
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, no, they're not.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_02: Fuck that.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_02: But there was even the fact that people were like worried about that.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_02: Some people were like, oh, I'm going to move to Asia.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_02: Or like, oh, they're attacking.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, you know, so.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_02: I remember that.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_02: So these types of moments and sometimes media makes it bigger than it is.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_02: But sometimes it really is significant,
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_02: and it's a time for people to Come together and unite and for community reasons.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_02: And out of that,
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_02: there was definitely some chicks who literally went on a date
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_02: because I think they like,
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if they felt bad that they hadn't gone on with the Asian dude,
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_02: but they were like, it just made them think about being Asian more.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_02: You'd be surprised.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of people, men and women, by the way, have not thought about their identity.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_02: Like even in New York,
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_02: they get here and they're like,
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_02: and I'm like asking them my,
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_02: you know, just basic identity, but oh yeah, like where's your family from?
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, which side?
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_02: And they're just like,
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_02: I've never,
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just like, I've never been, I never really thought about it that way, you know?
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, wow, is that a, is it a privilege?
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_02: This is a question.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, this is, I saw this at a, I was at a book talk, which I don't go to very often.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_02: But they were like,
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_02: isn't it a privilege to, To be able to talk about your different identities?
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_02: Or is it a privilege to not have to think about them?
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_03: Bro, that is fire right there, bro.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_03: That is fire.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_03: But this is what I'm talking about.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_03: That's my evolution, bro.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_03: I care.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_03: I'm Asian American.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_03: I'm Korean American.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_03: And I used to really be vocal about that.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_03: Whenever, even when I was traveling.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_03: No, I'm not American.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_03: I'm Korean American, right?
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_03: And then just over time, I just was American.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_03: And then now I don't even fully identify with American, you know?
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_03: And I think part of it is like this lot of work with meditation and Buddhist ideas, right?
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_03: So let's do something here, Andrew.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_03: Andrew, I got a little Buddhist test for you.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah, cool.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, let's see.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_03: Let's see how you answer this.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_02: By the way, I grew up Christian.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_02: I grew up in a Christian church.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_02: I still like a lot of the values, but let's get into some Buddhist talk.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_02: Why did you qualify that, bro?
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_02: You're a little scared?
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_02: No, I just wanted to say.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_03: You're getting nervous, bro?
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_03: No, I had to rep the team.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_03: I had to rep the team.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_03: Question number one.
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_03: Were you Chinese before your parents and culture named that category?
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't feel very Chinese for the first, like, 15 years of my life.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't feel too Chinese, to be honest.
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_01: It was a little bit of an awakening later.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I think my brother... Bro, what happened?
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_02: You grew up in a Chinese family.
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_02: What do you mean?
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but my family is...
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, they speak English, Cantonese, Mandarin.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_02: So I was the third child.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_02: I'm the youngest child.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_02: My brother and my sister actually grew up speaking Cantonese at a very, very young age.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_02: That was actually my sister's first language.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_02: But they ended up just kind of focusing on English.
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_02: And by the time I popped out,
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_02: I think they just...
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_02: Long story short,
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_02: it's possible that they thought for a moment that I had a speech impediment
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_02: when I was younger.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_02: So they were like, oh, shit, let's just focus on English.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_02: So I just got English and they speak English too.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm speaking English mostly with them, but like they're also speaking Chinese to each other.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_02: And then so, but I'm just doing my thing.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like I'm not really thinking about,
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_02: I knew it,
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_02: but like I wasn't,
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_02: I guess I knew I was Asian because a lot of my other friends were like Viet,
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_02: Filipino.
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_02: But you didn't identify with it.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_02: You didn't identify with it.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_02: No, I did.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_02: No, we were all like Asian.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_02: You know what it is?
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_02: I identified as Asian American earlier than I did Chinese.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_02: And obviously, I still am both.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_02: I'm still pan-Asian.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_02: I grew up with different influences.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_02: I always joke I'm the most Viet person of my family because I love eating pho the most.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_03: I could eat Viet food.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_02: Viet cuisine, I could eat that as much, if not more than Chinese, to be honest.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_02: Chinese
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_02: Soft food is fire.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_03: It's so good.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_02: And it feels fresh and healthy anyways.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_02: So...
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah,
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_02: I just felt like I think I was like Pan-Asian,
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_02: you know, before I thought really about being Chinese and what it meant.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_02: And shout out to my brother for a lot of that because he was a little bit more Chinese.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_02: Like he studied abroad in Shanghai.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_02: He went on more trips on his own accord for educational reasons.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_02: So him being in Asia right now is actually a full circle.
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_02: But I guess I was always a little bit more like that.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_02: Trying to unlock America.
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_03: What did you learn from your brother at that time in terms of being,
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_03: like, he must have said he traveled, he sees something, right?
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_03: And he sees his younger brother.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_03: And he's like, you got to be more Chinese, bro.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_03: But why?
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_03: Like, why?
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I think he wasn't, I think he knew why I didn't, we talk about it later.
• 58:53
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like,
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't see any real, like, upside of leaning into being Chinese at the time.
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_02: So I had a Chinese-American church, Christian church I was going to.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_02: But Christian church was kind of boring, you know?
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_02: And then we didn't live near the Chinatown,
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_02: but every time I went to the Chinatown, I'd be with my dad or my family or whatever.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_02: So it's not like I was really forced to speak Chinese.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_02: Or it's not that I would unlock any secret...
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_02: Or extra VIP card, you know, at that time.
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_02: And I think what is slightly different between being Chinese and Korean
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_02: at this time is that I think the Koreans love seeing another Korean to the point
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_02: where they're like, oh...
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_02: Then they bring over more banchan and more dishes.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_02: And then,
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_02: they're like,
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_02: I've even had that interaction being non-Korean,
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_02: but they thought I was Korean, right?
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_02: So I was like,
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_02: so I knew,
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_02: so, but Chinese are not always like that unless it's a very, small community.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_02: And also Chinese is more diverse because we have different types of Chinese in China, right?
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_02: So they're not fully united in the sense of like, Oh, oh, you're Chinese.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, wow.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_02: Another Chinese family.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, so I didn't feel like I really had an incentive.
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_02: It's all about incentives and motivation in life, right?
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_02: But your friends were
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_03: white or what?
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_03: Your friends were white?
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_03: No, they were mixed.
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_02: There were a lot of Asians,
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_02: Southeast Asians, like a Vietnamese Filipino, and then some white and some black.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_02: So it was very mixed, you know?
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, wow.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_02: And the Chinese kids that I knew growing up at that time were not my vibe.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I think they're all great people.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_02: They're all nice people, but they're not like, they weren't like trying to be cool like us.
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_02: That's my experience.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_02: We're leaning into,
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_02: especially,
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_02: particularly like black urban pop culture at that time,
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_02: you know, and that is something that, you know, I'm still...
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_02: Influenced by to this day and I'm still a fan of, but that was what we were leaning towards.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_02: And if the other Chinese kids weren't, then I'm hanging out with whatever kids were.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_02: So I think that's kind of like, I just felt very American.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_02: My brother was that too, but he also had this like, Duty to feel to be more Chinese.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_02: And maybe it's because he's the oldest son.
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_02: And maybe it's because he had heard certain things or information or stories about
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_02: the family early on.
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_02: One thing I would say that I wish my parents did, they could have done more.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_02: One, they could have taught me more Chinese growing up.
• 1:01:29
  SPEAKER_02: But two, they could have told me a little bit more About the background and our story earlier.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that I'm not saying I would have flipped right away,
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_02: but I think I would have been a little bit more interested.
• 1:01:39
  SPEAKER_02: Just a little bit more.
• 1:01:40
  SPEAKER_02: You know, because it's all about interest, motivations, and incentives.
• 1:01:43
  SPEAKER_03: Guys, listen.
• 1:01:44
  SPEAKER_02: To the non-Asian guys in the chat.
• 1:01:48
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, I always use this example, right?
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_02: Because there's all these non-Asian dudes that learn Chinese or Korean, right?
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, Yeah, guys,
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_02: if every time I opened my mouth and spoke a language,
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_02: everybody would clap and be like, oh!
• 1:02:06
  SPEAKER_02: Shit, I'd probably learn that language too.
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_02: If every time I spoke Spanish, people would be like, all the Latinos would be out.
• 1:02:19
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, I'm getting fluent real quick, you know?
• 1:02:22
  SPEAKER_02: It's so true, bro.
• 1:02:23
  SPEAKER_02: Because the interactions, it's incentive and motivation.
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_02: Every time you open your mouth, it's like a good time.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not saying you get treated like a king necessarily,
• 1:02:34
  SPEAKER_02: but it's a fun time every time you speak.
• 1:02:37
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, that is a little extra motivation to learn that language.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_03: But that's such a flip though, Andrew.
• 1:02:42
  SPEAKER_03: Like, when did you start becoming super Asian, let's go.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_03: But you know what's funny?
• 1:02:49
  SPEAKER_02: I don't even think I'm that traditionally Asian.
• 1:02:53
  SPEAKER_02: I want to talk about it.
• 1:02:54
  SPEAKER_02: I want to be almost a tool or a mouthpiece or This narrator or this kind
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_02: of third outside perspective where I'm not fully traditionally Chinese.
• 1:03:08
  SPEAKER_02: So I got checked on some of my Chinese stuff.
• 1:03:11
  SPEAKER_02: David would check me on my Chinese pronunciation and be like,
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_02: yo, you can't just say it like that.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_02: You got to try to say it right.
• 1:03:17
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, you're right, bro.
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_02: I can't just...
• 1:03:21
  SPEAKER_02: Kind of take for granted.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_02: Like I got to take it seriously, you know?
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, interesting.
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah,
• 1:03:27
  SPEAKER_02: that's some of the stuff that happened internally,
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_02: but ultimately like having a passion for always wanting to talk about it
• 1:03:33
  SPEAKER_02: and always wanting to break it down.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_02: And again,
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_02: like David,
• 1:03:38
  SPEAKER_02: like as far as Asian America,
• 1:03:40
  SPEAKER_02: I think I, like that was what I was, More passionate about at that time.
• 1:03:47
  SPEAKER_02: And then I get older and I'm like,
• 1:03:48
  SPEAKER_02: oh, and I learn more about being Chinese and all the other Asians, of course.
• 1:03:52
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm just like, oh, it's really damn, we do got a lot going on.
• 1:03:55
  SPEAKER_02: And there is a good reason why we need to wrap and be maybe part of a bridge
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_02: of understanding,
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_02: you know, because if I as a very ABC, I call myself very ABC, right?
• 1:04:06
  SPEAKER_02: American born Chinese.
• 1:04:08
  SPEAKER_02: And amongst Chinese,
• 1:04:09
  SPEAKER_02: if you're talking to like a FOB or an immigrant, an international student, right?
• 1:04:12
  SPEAKER_02: You'd be like, oh, I'm ABC.
• 1:04:13
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I say.
• 1:04:14
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, I'll speak some Chinese.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, not great, but I try.
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_02: It's decent.
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, oh, well, it's because I'm ABC.
• 1:04:21
  SPEAKER_02: That's why.
• 1:04:21
  SPEAKER_02: And they're like, oh, OK, you're ABC.
• 1:04:23
  SPEAKER_02: So it's kind of a way of identifying being like, hey, I'm ABC.
• 1:04:27
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm not going to tell you, oh, I'm fully on your squad.
• 1:04:31
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm like, I'm on both squads.
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I'm cool with both.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I want you to know, you know, type of thing.
• 1:04:38
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm sure within the Korean community,
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_02: it's a similar thing where it's like you don't feel fully Korean, right?
• 1:04:45
  SPEAKER_02: But you're not like, you don't want to just put it aside, right?
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_02: You know?
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_02: And you want to be like, can you speak Korean?
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_03: That was terrible.
• 1:04:54
  SPEAKER_03: It's just like that.
• 1:04:55
  SPEAKER_03: Even if I say ABC, they'll be so ashamed of my Korean at this point.
• 1:04:59
  SPEAKER_03: But you can communicate.
• 1:05:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_02: Like if you meet another Korean in Brazil, you guys can talk.
• 1:05:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:05:07
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_03: It's a little rusty.
• 1:05:12
  SPEAKER_02: It's a little rusty.
• 1:05:15
  SPEAKER_02: So, but yeah, like,
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_02: so I feel like now at this stage being like a bridge,
• 1:05:22
  SPEAKER_02: On like the ABC side, reaching out.
• 1:05:24
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's kind of what I'm good for.
• 1:05:28
  SPEAKER_02: I think I can do it.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_02: And hopefully I've helped a little bit in that way.
• 1:05:34
  SPEAKER_02: And so those are kind of the different missions that we think about.
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_02: And now my brother's in Asia.
• 1:05:39
  SPEAKER_02: So he just went, he was like, yo, I'm going back, circling back.
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_02: Where is he?
• 1:05:43
  SPEAKER_03: He's in China or Bangkok, I heard?
• 1:05:45
  SPEAKER_02: So he moved to Bangkok first.
• 1:05:47
  SPEAKER_02: And then he moved to Ho Chi Minh.
• 1:05:50
  SPEAKER_02: And he's making more frequent trips back to China now that he's so close.
• 1:05:54
  SPEAKER_02: So it's funny.
• 1:05:55
  SPEAKER_02: I always say, hey, man, you didn't go to the motherland.
• 1:05:58
  SPEAKER_02: You went a little bit below.
• 1:05:59
  SPEAKER_02: Now you're making your way back up.
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 1:06:05
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, Andrew, you're like all about the culture, right?
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_03: Like, so at this stage in 2026,
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_03: like rank it for me,
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_03: who's the coolest, like white,
• 1:06:14
  SPEAKER_02: Latino, black, Asian, where are we?
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_03: Where are the Asians in terms of like coolness and like,
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_03: you know, like, tell me you're the culture guy.
• 1:06:23
  SPEAKER_03: I want to know.
• 1:06:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_03: Where are we, bro?
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_02: I think.
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so are we ranking like everybody's top 20% or something?
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_02: Because I can't rank the whole thing as too many people.
• 1:06:36
  SPEAKER_03: However you want to take it, however you want to take it.
• 1:06:39
  SPEAKER_03: You want me to rank them?
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to rank them.
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_02: Like in terms of different factions?
• 1:06:45
  SPEAKER_02: I got to see who's around me.
• 1:06:50
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, Koreans, Korean, Koreans.
• 1:06:54
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just kidding.
• 1:06:56
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I wanted to hear.
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_02: Korea number one.
• 1:07:00
  SPEAKER_02: I think of the Asians, I mean,
• 1:07:05
  SPEAKER_02: I'll say like Japanese have not failed to fully lose their crown as the best Asians,
• 1:07:13
  SPEAKER_02: but they're dwindling in numbers.
• 1:07:16
  SPEAKER_02: And I feel like... That's a problem.
• 1:07:18
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like most people are going to say the coolest, swaggiest Asians are going to be Koreans.
• 1:07:27
  SPEAKER_02: I think Japanese still are the most interesting Asians.
• 1:07:31
  SPEAKER_02: You think so?
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_02: And I think Chinese are actually considered some of the nicest Asians as far as,
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_02: definitely as far as being boyfriends.
• 1:07:40
  SPEAKER_02: So I've heard a lot.
• 1:07:42
  SPEAKER_02: I've heard a lot that Chinese boyfriends are the best.
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_02: And I think Chinese are also considered very smart,
• 1:07:49
  SPEAKER_02: but still climbing up there as far as coolness because,
• 1:07:53
  SPEAKER_02: you know, Chinese got cool a little bit later.
• 1:07:57
  SPEAKER_02: But Filipinos in America have always been cool Asians.
• 1:08:01
  SPEAKER_02: Like, they were the coolest Asians for me growing up, you know, before the whole...
• 1:08:06
  SPEAKER_02: Before the K-wave and stuff.
• 1:08:08
  SPEAKER_02: And in certain ways, I still think Filipinos are still pretty cool.
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_02: They got the best crossovers in basketball and stuff like that.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_02: I think Viets are rising.
• 1:08:21
  SPEAKER_03: I think everybody else is rising.
• 1:08:23
  SPEAKER_03: But what about compared to white people?
• 1:08:27
  SPEAKER_03: Are we cooler than white people?
• 1:08:28
  SPEAKER_03: As a group, as an Asian group, are we cooler than white people?
• 1:08:31
  SPEAKER_02: As a group...
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_03: We're still in last place.
• 1:08:37
  SPEAKER_03: Is that what you're telling me?
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_03: Personally?
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_03: Spanish?
• 1:08:39
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, no.
• 1:08:41
  SPEAKER_02: But we're talking about in an American media standard.
• 1:08:46
  SPEAKER_02: Not my standard.
• 1:08:47
  SPEAKER_02: Is it my standard?
• 1:08:49
  SPEAKER_02: American media standard, the global standard.
• 1:08:52
  SPEAKER_02: It's still these guys.
• 1:08:59
  SPEAKER_03: White looking.
• 1:09:02
  SPEAKER_02: But then I think...
• 1:09:03
  SPEAKER_02: And I still think, yeah, I think Black people are really cool.
• 1:09:06
  SPEAKER_02: And then I think Asians and Latinos are really kind of, I think they're head to head now.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's,
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's, no,
• 1:09:17
  SPEAKER_02: and what I mean by that is that,
• 1:09:20
  SPEAKER_02: you know, you've seen footage of a BTS concert in Latin America.
• 1:09:25
  SPEAKER_02: It is some of the biggest concerts.
• 1:09:29
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 1:09:29
  SPEAKER_02: So it's not just to say that BTS represents all Asian culture.
• 1:09:32
  SPEAKER_02: Of course, we know that.
• 1:09:33
  SPEAKER_02: But it's like,
• 1:09:35
  SPEAKER_02: I think that on a global scale,
• 1:09:38
  SPEAKER_02: I think Asia and Latinos are seen as,
• 1:09:42
  SPEAKER_02: if not, some people would put Asians ahead because of the economics.
• 1:09:47
  SPEAKER_02: And the kind of like manufacturing and the invention and even TSMC's importance,
• 1:09:52
  SPEAKER_02: like Asia's kind of seen now as like the future or a huge part of the future,
• 1:09:59
  SPEAKER_03: you know?
• 1:10:00
  SPEAKER_02: And not to say that Latin America's not,
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_02: but it's just like because what they produce is not as trending right now as far
• 1:10:08
  SPEAKER_02: as like the technology of AI and all this stuff, right?
• 1:10:10
  SPEAKER_02: So essentially you're going to need Asia for AI, right?
• 1:10:13
  SPEAKER_02: That's just, that is it.
• 1:10:17
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah,
• 1:10:19
  SPEAKER_02: so I guess I'd say like on a coolness,
• 1:10:23
  SPEAKER_02: swag level, I still think it goes maybe even black ahead of white.
• 1:10:28
  SPEAKER_02: You know, black people are kind of a cool black person.
• 1:10:30
  SPEAKER_02: It's like kind of the coolest person in the world.
• 1:10:33
  SPEAKER_02: Like MJ, Kobe,
• 1:10:35
  SPEAKER_02: we all know this,
• 1:10:35
  SPEAKER_02: you know, like those are global, like, you know, Michael Jackson, right?
• 1:10:41
  SPEAKER_02: So, so yeah, as far as coolness, Just pure coolness.
• 1:10:49
  SPEAKER_02: I do think that it's a little closer with the Asians and the whites
• 1:10:53
  SPEAKER_02: than it was previous generations.
• 1:10:55
  SPEAKER_02: I really think so.
• 1:10:56
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's close because the whites...
• 1:11:02
  SPEAKER_02: The whites have had, the whites had a lot of bad, had a lot of bad PR the past 10 years.
• 1:11:09
  SPEAKER_02: That's one way
• 1:11:10
  SPEAKER_03: to put it.
• 1:11:11
  SPEAKER_03: And Asians had good PR.
• 1:11:13
  SPEAKER_02: So, so that's how I describe it.
• 1:11:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:11:20
  SPEAKER_02: Devin, what do you got for us?
• 1:11:21
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, oh, oh, oh.
• 1:11:23
  SPEAKER_02: And the Eastern teachings like yoga, Buddhism got way more popular.
• 1:11:27
  SPEAKER_02: And all that meditation shit is from the East.
• 1:11:31
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not saying it's from East Asians necessarily.
• 1:11:33
  SPEAKER_02: It's from India, you know.
• 1:11:34
  SPEAKER_03: But why don't the Asian Americans do this shit?
• 1:11:37
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I don't see a lot of woo-woo, like me, kind of guy thinking about consciousness.
• 1:11:41
  SPEAKER_03: There are.
• 1:11:42
  SPEAKER_03: There are.
• 1:11:43
  SPEAKER_02: I think there's a growing number.
• 1:11:44
  SPEAKER_02: My friend is a really big, he's really big on it.
• 1:11:47
  SPEAKER_02: And I see that it's growing because I think that it's funny.
• 1:11:51
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of Asian Americans that are very Americanized,
• 1:11:55
  SPEAKER_02: a decent portion of them did grow up going to some church for some amount of time,
• 1:12:01
  SPEAKER_02: some Christian church.
• 1:12:03
  SPEAKER_02: But, you know,
• 1:12:04
  SPEAKER_02: and if when you kind of take a step back or you distance yourself from a religion,
• 1:12:09
  SPEAKER_02: I think at the end of the day,
• 1:12:10
  SPEAKER_02: people are still going to be looking for something spiritual,
• 1:12:12
  SPEAKER_02: something,
• 1:12:13
  SPEAKER_02: whether it's internal,
• 1:12:14
  SPEAKER_02: whether it's supernatural,
• 1:12:15
  SPEAKER_02: something,
• 1:12:15
  SPEAKER_02: you know, however woo-woo you want to get, which I'm like woo-woo level very low.
• 1:12:19
  SPEAKER_02: But like I do, I do like some of that.
• 1:12:23
  SPEAKER_02: I do like and I value it.
• 1:12:25
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that, you know, meditation is important.
• 1:12:28
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's cool.
• 1:12:29
  SPEAKER_02: Breath work is great, blah, blah, blah, that stuff.
• 1:12:34
  SPEAKER_02: But so, so I think that, I still think people still reach for something spiritual.
• 1:12:40
  SPEAKER_02: Now, whether it's Abrahamic religions or it's Buddhism or if it's...
• 1:12:46
  SPEAKER_02: So what's your belief?
• 1:12:48
  SPEAKER_03: What do you believe?
• 1:12:48
  SPEAKER_03: What's your framework of the world in terms of... Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:51
  SPEAKER_02: No, I mean, I would say I'm still...
• 1:12:55
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like a progressive...
• 1:12:57
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to say agnostic Christian, but I'm like, I would say progressive Christian.
• 1:13:00
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's the easiest...
• 1:13:02
  SPEAKER_03: Agnostic?
• 1:13:03
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, progressive Christian.
• 1:13:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:13:06
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's the, without using too many words,
• 1:13:08
  SPEAKER_02: you know, I still believe, but I have still tons of questions.
• 1:13:14
  SPEAKER_02: I still have some faith there,
• 1:13:16
  SPEAKER_02: but I don't think it's like,
• 1:13:18
  SPEAKER_02: I don't believe,
• 1:13:21
  SPEAKER_02: it's hard for me to take seriously everything the way that That the way that
• 1:13:29
  SPEAKER_02: the conservative people want to interpret things, you know what I mean?
• 1:13:33
  SPEAKER_02: And I think the book is meant to be interpreted over time.
• 1:13:39
  SPEAKER_02: And if you believe in God, then God knew that.
• 1:13:41
  SPEAKER_02: You can't write everything about gun laws and the Bible and all this advanced stuff
• 1:13:47
  SPEAKER_02: that we apportion.
• 1:13:48
  SPEAKER_02: They didn't talk about abortion, really.
• 1:13:51
  SPEAKER_02: It's not very explicitly addressed.
• 1:13:54
  SPEAKER_02: I think a lot of it's still up for interpretation and I just believe that God is just.
• 1:14:01
  SPEAKER_02: And so that's the overarching belief.
• 1:14:05
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah,
• 1:14:06
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 1:14:06
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not going to be on the corner like preaching and,
• 1:14:09
  SPEAKER_02: you know, I don't go to church every Sunday.
• 1:14:10
  SPEAKER_02: But I do notice when I do go to church, it kind of feels good or when I talk about it.
• 1:14:14
  SPEAKER_02: And that's why I was kind of excited.
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_02: I was looking forward to this talk because I knew we were going to get to some stuff like this.
• 1:14:19
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, I don't really get to share this stuff a lot.
• 1:14:22
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, beautiful.
• 1:14:23
  SPEAKER_02: Because sometimes it's a little bit like intimidating.
• 1:14:26
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you're like, I don't want to start bringing up religion on the channel.
• 1:14:32
  SPEAKER_03: Hi, baby.
• 1:14:37
  SPEAKER_02: So... Yeah, but this is stuff I've definitely thought about.
• 1:14:41
  SPEAKER_02: I've even had recent conversations about it.
• 1:14:44
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not saying anything controversial here.
• 1:14:45
  SPEAKER_02: This is just my belief, you know?
• 1:14:47
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like, I think a lot of those principles are good.
• 1:14:49
  SPEAKER_02: Now, with that,
• 1:14:51
  SPEAKER_02: everybody's going to say,
• 1:14:52
  SPEAKER_02: oh, Abrahamic religion has caused a lot of trouble, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:14:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, listen, if we judge things on how many people died at the hand of that...
• 1:14:59
  SPEAKER_02: Religion,
• 1:15:00
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 1:15:00
  SPEAKER_02: by the hand of man,
• 1:15:02
  SPEAKER_02: by man using religion as an excuse,
• 1:15:05
  SPEAKER_02: then of course,
• 1:15:05
  SPEAKER_02: you know, there's a destruction that's in the histories of all the religions of Judaism,
• 1:15:11
  SPEAKER_02: Islam,
• 1:15:12
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 1:15:14
  SPEAKER_02: and Christianity,
• 1:15:14
  SPEAKER_02: you know, but I don't judge it based off like things that happen to them.
• 1:15:20
  SPEAKER_02: 1,000 years ago.
• 1:15:22
  SPEAKER_02: I'd rather base it off my life,
• 1:15:23
  SPEAKER_02: modern society,
• 1:15:25
  SPEAKER_02: how it fits in a modern society,
• 1:15:26
  SPEAKER_02: what it does for me, what I've seen it do in other people's lives.
• 1:15:31
  SPEAKER_02: And so with that said,
• 1:15:32
  SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't say I've gotten into Buddhism,
• 1:15:36
  SPEAKER_02: but I've definitely looked more into it because I have
• 1:15:39
  SPEAKER_02: a good friend who's very pro-Buddhist teachings.
• 1:15:44
  SPEAKER_02: He's not even like...
• 1:15:47
  SPEAKER_02: Supernatural Buddhism, you know, which there's different levels.
• 1:15:50
  SPEAKER_03: I want to learn that too, bro.
• 1:15:53
  SPEAKER_02: What about the... Levitating?
• 1:15:56
  SPEAKER_02: Levitating?
• 1:15:58
  SPEAKER_02: Didn't he stare at a rock and look through it?
• 1:16:01
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 1:16:03
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, no.
• 1:16:04
  SPEAKER_01: All the teachings are super practical.
• 1:16:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's awesome.
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:16:07
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:16:07
  SPEAKER_02: So that's good.
• 1:16:08
  SPEAKER_02: So that's why I think...
• 1:16:10
  SPEAKER_02: So that's why I think...
• 1:16:11
  SPEAKER_02: I think, and this is my hot take, although America...
• 1:16:17
  SPEAKER_02: Has became successful under Christian values, which I think it should still keep in some way.
• 1:16:25
  SPEAKER_02: I think the country could use a little bit more Buddhist teachings.
• 1:16:29
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's great.
• 1:16:30
  SPEAKER_02: I think more of this, you know, Eastern teachings are becoming a lot more prevalent.
• 1:16:35
  SPEAKER_02: Listen, if Navy SEALs are doing it,
• 1:16:37
  SPEAKER_02: if they're doing breathwork and meditation,
• 1:16:39
  SPEAKER_02: if UFC fighters are doing all these great American Western warriors,
• 1:16:44
  SPEAKER_02: the most brutal people on Earth, the strongest men.
• 1:16:48
  SPEAKER_02: You know, are doing these type of things that come from the East.
• 1:16:52
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, then, you know, great.
• 1:16:54
  SPEAKER_02: It looks like it could be time for a blend.
• 1:16:57
  SPEAKER_02: So I want to ask you, you guys all kind of study it, right?
• 1:17:00
  SPEAKER_02: Or on some level, right?
• 1:17:01
  SPEAKER_02: So what are some
• 1:17:04
  SPEAKER_02: Buddhist teachings that you think Could be implemented in America
• 1:17:10
  SPEAKER_02: on a large scale.
• 1:17:11
  SPEAKER_02: Let's just say, you can just say state by state or you'll be on a country level.
• 1:17:15
  SPEAKER_02: Let's say you're president, right?
• 1:17:17
  SPEAKER_02: And you got executive orders that, you know,
• 1:17:24
  SPEAKER_01: Mindfulness is just like pay attention to how the bottoms of your feet feel real quick.
• 1:17:28
  SPEAKER_01: And then like can you trace that feeling up to your knee?
• 1:17:49
  SPEAKER_01: How does it feel to breathe in and out?
• 1:17:52
  SPEAKER_01: Just the very finite feelings of what it means to be here and now really alleviates
• 1:18:00
  SPEAKER_01: the anxiety from being anxious of what's about to happen or the fear
• 1:18:06
  SPEAKER_01: of what happened.
• 1:18:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I think being in the moment is what it's about
• 1:18:12
  SPEAKER_01: because it doesn't leave How Vibe Samurai says it sometimes is there's like a gap in
• 1:18:19
  SPEAKER_01: between thoughts.
• 1:18:21
  SPEAKER_01: And that gap is where freedom truly lies.
• 1:18:23
  SPEAKER_01: So how can you take a moment to be mindful to be exactly where you are?
• 1:18:30
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like people go through their entire life without ever having a breath
• 1:18:34
  SPEAKER_01: of understanding what they're doing or why they're doing it.
• 1:18:37
  SPEAKER_01: They just kind of go are in the motions.
• 1:18:40
  SPEAKER_01: So I feel like this is also where a lot of suffering and a lot of mistakes happen.
• 1:18:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I feel like there would be a lot of healing,
• 1:18:47
  SPEAKER_01: especially in relationships and identity and all of this stuff
• 1:18:50
  SPEAKER_01: that we've been talking about.
• 1:18:51
  SPEAKER_01: If people could just take a breath and understand where we are.
• 1:18:56
  SPEAKER_02: Mindfulness.
• 1:18:58
  SPEAKER_02: So let's just say in schools kids start practicing mindfulness at a younger age.
• 1:19:06
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe let's just give it an arbitrary age.
• 1:19:08
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just saying.
• 1:19:10
  SPEAKER_02: Let's implement it.
• 1:19:12
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, in like the – so like I have like a Taoist teacher that was based in New York.
• 1:19:21
  SPEAKER_01: He's a beautiful man.
• 1:19:23
  SPEAKER_01: And he even – like the first thing he taught me was something
• 1:19:25
  SPEAKER_01: that he said he teaches children, which is like a simple walking meditation.
• 1:19:30
  SPEAKER_01: And all it is is like every time you pick up your foot,
• 1:19:33
  SPEAKER_01: you breathe in, and every time you place your foot, you breathe out.
• 1:19:37
  SPEAKER_01: And just the action of coordinating your breath with your movement forces you to be
• 1:19:43
  SPEAKER_01: in the moment.
• 1:19:44
  SPEAKER_01: So that's where I would start.
• 1:19:45
  SPEAKER_01: I would start in physical therapy or PE classes.
• 1:19:48
  SPEAKER_01: I would start every session with a walking meditation.
• 1:19:52
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 1:19:52
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:19:53
  SPEAKER_03: I like it.
• 1:19:53
  SPEAKER_03: I like it.
• 1:19:54
  SPEAKER_03: But Andrew, he's right.
• 1:19:57
  SPEAKER_03: I agree.
• 1:19:59
  SPEAKER_03: With him, like he's talking about mindfulness.
• 1:20:01
  SPEAKER_03: I'm talking about like meditation in general.
• 1:20:03
  SPEAKER_03: Mindfulness is a type of meditation, right?
• 1:20:06
  SPEAKER_03: And what he was talking about was there's this great phrase, right?
• 1:20:12
  SPEAKER_03: We learned that it's not Victor.
• 1:20:13
  SPEAKER_03: You know, Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning?
• 1:20:16
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 1:20:17
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:20:18
  SPEAKER_03: So this guy, anyway, so he's the guy, long story.
• 1:20:21
  SPEAKER_03: I won't even tell you his story, but he said something really amazing.
• 1:20:24
  SPEAKER_03: He said, Because most people are running automatically, right?
• 1:20:28
  SPEAKER_03: Like it's just conditioning and every day they're doing the same thing.
• 1:20:32
  SPEAKER_03: And so between stimulus and response, right?
• 1:20:36
  SPEAKER_03: Stimulus, you know, like you make me mad.
• 1:20:39
  SPEAKER_03: I'm going to say, fuck you.
• 1:20:41
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 1:20:41
  SPEAKER_03: You say to me, Bruno, fuck you.
• 1:20:43
  SPEAKER_03: You do something bad to me.
• 1:20:44
  SPEAKER_03: And I say, fuck you.
• 1:20:45
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:20:46
  SPEAKER_03: That's stimulus.
• 1:20:47
  SPEAKER_03: You stimulate it and there's a reaction.
• 1:20:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes.
• 1:20:50
  SPEAKER_03: So what he's saying is between stimulus and reaction, there is a gap.
• 1:20:57
  SPEAKER_03: All right?
• 1:20:58
  SPEAKER_02: There is a gap.
• 1:20:59
  SPEAKER_02: There's a gap.
• 1:21:00
  SPEAKER_02: You do something to me, there's a moment.
• 1:21:04
  SPEAKER_02: There's a moment and in that moment is your freedom to choose.
• 1:21:12
  SPEAKER_03: And in that freedom is where your growth lies.
• 1:21:16
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 1:21:17
  SPEAKER_03: Think about it.
• 1:21:17
  SPEAKER_03: Because every time you're in that gap,
• 1:21:19
  SPEAKER_03: bro, every time you're in that fucking gap, bro, that's where your choice is.
• 1:21:24
  SPEAKER_03: So no matter what situation you're in, let's say you're being tortured.
• 1:21:29
  SPEAKER_03: Let's say you're being tortured.
• 1:21:30
  SPEAKER_03: They took away all your freedoms.
• 1:21:32
  SPEAKER_03: But guess what?
• 1:21:33
  SPEAKER_03: There's one remaining freedom.
• 1:21:35
  SPEAKER_03: You get to choose how you view that torture.
• 1:21:38
  SPEAKER_03: How you react.
• 1:21:40
  SPEAKER_03: That's advanced.
• 1:21:42
  SPEAKER_03: That's advanced, right, Gavin?
• 1:21:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's advanced, bro.
• 1:21:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's good, it's good, it's good, it's good.
• 1:21:47
  SPEAKER_03: But you see what I'm saying?
• 1:21:48
  SPEAKER_03: So then what happens is over time,
• 1:21:51
  SPEAKER_03: as you get better and better, you're trying to widen that gap.
• 1:21:55
  SPEAKER_00: That's the practice part.
• 1:21:56
  SPEAKER_00: That's the practice part.
• 1:21:57
  SPEAKER_03: Widening that gap and living in that gap as much as possible in your life.
• 1:22:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like milliseconds and you want to increase it to seconds.
• 1:22:06
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so that's really good.
• 1:22:08
  SPEAKER_02: Think of a practical exercise that you could teach kids or old people in America.
• 1:22:14
  SPEAKER_03: But bro, this is happening.
• 1:22:16
  SPEAKER_03: This is happening.
• 1:22:16
  SPEAKER_03: This is happening.
• 1:22:17
  SPEAKER_03: There are programs.
• 1:22:19
  SPEAKER_03: There's people talking about mindfulness training for kids.
• 1:22:23
  SPEAKER_02: I have a friend in New York who actually is a meditation teacher,
• 1:22:28
  SPEAKER_02: and he actually is using it in schools.
• 1:22:31
  SPEAKER_02: So I sometimes talk with him about it.
• 1:22:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so... Yeah, I mean, he might be another cool person to chat with.
• 1:22:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:22:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:22:41
  SPEAKER_03: So...
• 1:22:42
  SPEAKER_01: I can give you a very simple one right now if you're interested.
• 1:22:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, go for it.
• 1:22:46
  SPEAKER_01: Let's do it.
• 1:22:48
  SPEAKER_01: So if you can, can you place your phone so you have your hands free?
• 1:22:52
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:22:56
  SPEAKER_01: Place one hand on your belly and one hand on your chest.
• 1:23:03
  SPEAKER_01: Breathe in and see how the breath goes from your belly to your chest.
• 1:23:12
  SPEAKER_01: Breathe out what happens.
• 1:23:32
  SPEAKER_01: That's the practice.
• 1:23:36
  SPEAKER_01: See how simple?
• 1:23:37
  SPEAKER_01: See where it put you?
• 1:23:38
  SPEAKER_01: It made it so silent so quick.
• 1:23:42
  SPEAKER_01: Because notice what I did at the end.
• 1:23:44
  SPEAKER_01: I left space for curiosity.
• 1:23:47
  SPEAKER_03: Like what is going on, right?
• 1:23:49
  SPEAKER_03: What am I feeling?
• 1:23:51
  SPEAKER_03: What am I feeling?
• 1:23:53
  SPEAKER_03: You're in that moment, right?
• 1:23:55
  SPEAKER_03: You're in the end.
• 1:23:56
  SPEAKER_03: It's through your body.
• 1:23:57
  SPEAKER_03: You're breathing in and out.
• 1:23:58
  SPEAKER_03: The air is down, bro.
• 1:24:01
  SPEAKER_01: So this is a gift from me to you.
• 1:24:03
  SPEAKER_01: This is a direct thing.
• 1:24:05
  SPEAKER_01: This is a direct practice from one of my teachings.
• 1:24:09
  SPEAKER_02: Dope.
• 1:24:10
  SPEAKER_02: I like it.
• 1:24:12
  SPEAKER_02: I hope you
• 1:24:13
  SPEAKER_01: use it.
• 1:24:13
  SPEAKER_02: It's beautiful, isn't it?
• 1:24:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's awesome, yeah.
• 1:24:16
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's even just the physical kind of signals you tell yourself
• 1:24:20
  SPEAKER_02: because it's not something you usually do.
• 1:24:22
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like, hey, let's just breathe right now and just do that.
• 1:24:26
  SPEAKER_02: It's great.
• 1:24:27
  SPEAKER_02: See, stuff like that.
• 1:24:28
  SPEAKER_02: Who would have thought it's just breathing?
• 1:24:29
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 1:24:29
  SPEAKER_02: It's just...
• 1:24:35
  SPEAKER_01: So that's the beautiful part of mindfulness.
• 1:24:37
  SPEAKER_01: Mundane things become extraordinary.
• 1:24:40
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly, bro.
• 1:24:41
  SPEAKER_03: You're just in the moment.
• 1:24:43
  SPEAKER_03: Bro, there's this guy who died of cancer a long time ago.
• 1:24:47
  SPEAKER_03: He was on the David Letterman show.
• 1:24:49
  SPEAKER_03: I'll never forget.
• 1:24:49
  SPEAKER_03: We had a video about this.
• 1:24:51
  SPEAKER_03: David Letterman said they were close friends, this rock star.
• 1:24:55
  SPEAKER_03: And the rock star was dying of cancer, so it was gonna be his last interview.
• 1:24:59
  SPEAKER_03: And they were close,
• 1:25:00
  SPEAKER_03: so David Letterman asked him,
• 1:25:02
  SPEAKER_03: hey man,
• 1:25:03
  SPEAKER_03: you're gonna die,
• 1:25:04
  SPEAKER_03: obviously,
• 1:25:05
  SPEAKER_03: and so what can you tell the world about what you learned during this period,
• 1:25:10
  SPEAKER_03: knowing you're going to die?
• 1:25:12
  SPEAKER_03: And he said, just eat a sandwich.
• 1:25:16
  SPEAKER_03: All he wants to do is eat a sandwich, bro.
• 1:25:20
  SPEAKER_03: Eat a sandwich, you know, just eat that fucking, like really eat that fucking sandwich.
• 1:25:25
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:25:26
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, eat a sandwich and really eat that sandwich.
• 1:25:29
  SPEAKER_03: That's what we're talking about, this mindfulness.
• 1:25:31
  SPEAKER_03: But you get there, bro.
• 1:25:32
  SPEAKER_03: You really get there.
• 1:25:34
  SPEAKER_03: And it's so peaceful in that because you're non-reactive.
• 1:25:37
  SPEAKER_03: You have time to think.
• 1:25:38
  SPEAKER_03: You have time to not...
• 1:25:40
  SPEAKER_02: This is why the practice part is so important to me because in my experience,
• 1:25:43
  SPEAKER_02: yes, getting there, fucking beautiful.
• 1:25:44
  SPEAKER_01: How difficult?
• 1:25:55
  SPEAKER_01: Is it to stay there, dude?
• 1:25:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like I can be there like for a moment or two,
• 1:25:59
  SPEAKER_01: but then I come back to this reality and then I have like fucking my chores and
• 1:26:03
  SPEAKER_01: then these obligations societally, my job.
• 1:26:07
  SPEAKER_01: And then there's so many things that bring you down.
• 1:26:10
  SPEAKER_01: So it's important to have like a,
• 1:26:13
  SPEAKER_01: like I love a sitting practice or just like a formal kind of practice.
• 1:26:17
  SPEAKER_01: And then there's a post practice where throughout the day,
• 1:26:20
  SPEAKER_01: you just kind of remind yourself of where you got in that day.
• 1:26:25
  SPEAKER_02: That's awesome.
• 1:26:26
  SPEAKER_01: This is where I talk about practical.
• 1:26:29
  SPEAKER_01: Do like 20 minutes a day of a genuine like,
• 1:26:35
  SPEAKER_01: you know, transmission kind of practice changes your life.
• 1:26:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:26:40
  SPEAKER_01: Can't even describe it.
• 1:26:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:26:42
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's been good ever since,
• 1:26:44
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 1:26:44
  SPEAKER_02: this whole journey of even,
• 1:26:46
  SPEAKER_02: I think martial arts, getting back into martial arts was part of it for me too.
• 1:26:52
  SPEAKER_03: You're getting buggy choked by everybody, huh?
• 1:26:57
  SPEAKER_01: Can I give you like maybe a secret of mine?
• 1:27:02
  SPEAKER_01: When I sit down to do Buddha practice, I say I invite Jesus to be with me.
• 1:27:12
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's interesting.
• 1:27:15
  SPEAKER_01: Because you were a Christian too, right, Kevin?
• 1:27:17
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, yeah.
• 1:27:18
  SPEAKER_01: I invite Jesus to be with me because the interesting thing about Buddhas or
• 1:27:23
  SPEAKER_01: the Buddhists that I've met, they all recognize Jesus as Godhead Buddha.
• 1:27:29
  SPEAKER_01: That's what they say.
• 1:27:30
  SPEAKER_02: As Godhead Buddha, okay.
• 1:27:33
  SPEAKER_02: Godhead Buddha.
• 1:27:35
  SPEAKER_02: What?
• 1:27:36
  SPEAKER_02: So you're saying Jesus was Buddha?
• 1:27:38
  SPEAKER_01: No, Jesus.
• 1:27:38
  SPEAKER_01: So this is the way I see it.
• 1:27:43
  SPEAKER_01: So Buddha means awakened man.
• 1:27:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's a man who just awoke up halfway through his life.
• 1:27:49
  SPEAKER_01: I believe Jesus being the son of God was born awake.
• 1:27:55
  SPEAKER_01: He didn't have to go through the conditioning process to unconditioned for liberation.
• 1:28:00
  SPEAKER_01: He was already fucking there when he came out the womb.
• 1:28:04
  SPEAKER_01: And so like,
• 1:28:06
  SPEAKER_01: and then,
• 1:28:06
  SPEAKER_01: you know, we have no idea where Jesus was for the first 30 years of his life.
• 1:28:10
  SPEAKER_01: He just popped up and was like, here, check out this fucking wisdom.
• 1:28:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to change the world.
• 1:28:14
  SPEAKER_01: You're forgiven, bro.
• 1:28:16
  SPEAKER_01: You're forgiven.
• 1:28:18
  SPEAKER_01: You're forgiven, bro.
• 1:28:19
  SPEAKER_01: That's the line.
• 1:28:20
  SPEAKER_01: You're forgiven, bro.
• 1:28:22
  SPEAKER_01: Damn.
• 1:28:23
  SPEAKER_03: Bro, you are forgiven.
• 1:28:24
  SPEAKER_01: Forgiveness is the truest love, bro.
• 1:28:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:28:28
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 1:28:29
  SPEAKER_01: So even though the practices themselves are practical and atheistic,
• 1:28:33
  SPEAKER_01: this is where the spirituality comes in,
• 1:28:36
  SPEAKER_01: where I think Jesus is my main squeeze, to be honest with you.
• 1:28:41
  SPEAKER_01: So I always invite him to be like, yo.
• 1:28:44
  SPEAKER_01: You gotta be right next to me.
• 1:28:46
  SPEAKER_01: He is the rock, bro.
• 1:28:47
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, Buddhism's just a side chick, by the way.
• 1:28:51
  SPEAKER_03: No, don't be calling Buddhism a side chick, bro.
• 1:28:54
  SPEAKER_03: Come on, bro.
• 1:28:55
  SPEAKER_02: Side chick plays a very important role, let's be honest.
• 1:28:59
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to play that role, bro.
• 1:29:02
  SPEAKER_01: We're talking about how black and white Western iconography is.
• 1:29:08
  SPEAKER_01: I think that there is definitely room for nuance.
• 1:29:13
  SPEAKER_01: And this is what I mainly learned from my Taoist teachers.
• 1:29:17
  SPEAKER_01: From my understanding, he...
• 1:29:20
  SPEAKER_01: He follows the Dao in that he's kind of created his own culture
• 1:29:24
  SPEAKER_01: by cherry picking what works from every other culture.
• 1:29:27
  SPEAKER_01: And you see Bruce Lee do this in like mixed martial arts.
• 1:29:30
  SPEAKER_01: Bruce Lee was the first person to be mixed martial arts because he did the same thing.
• 1:29:35
  SPEAKER_01: And the UFC.
• 1:29:36
  SPEAKER_01: The UFC.
• 1:29:36
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like you go...
• 1:29:40
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, technically...
• 1:29:42
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I want to say that Bruce Lee was the first UFC fighter because he was
• 1:29:45
  SPEAKER_01: the first mixed martial arts fighter.
• 1:29:47
  SPEAKER_01: He was the first one to break discipline.
• 1:29:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that there is incredible wisdom in the breaking down of tradition.
• 1:29:55
  SPEAKER_01: I think that truth, every true holy man was like destabilizers.
• 1:30:02
  SPEAKER_01: A rebel, yeah.
• 1:30:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, Jesus was a rebel.
• 1:30:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:30:05
  SPEAKER_01: You know, there's that story of him like having a friend of the...
• 1:30:11
  SPEAKER_01: Fuck, the words are leaving me.
• 1:30:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he was
• 1:30:14
  SPEAKER_02: still on the table.
• 1:30:14
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, he wilded out.
• 1:30:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:30:17
  SPEAKER_02: He lost it.
• 1:30:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he was mad.
• 1:30:23
  SPEAKER_02: He was mad at the corrupt authority.
• 1:30:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he hates it, yeah.
• 1:30:28
  SPEAKER_01: But then he gave that crazy speech of like, I have come not to bring peace but a sword.
• 1:30:32
  SPEAKER_01: I will divide like sons from his fathers and daughters from their mothers
• 1:30:37
  SPEAKER_01: to follow me or something like that, you know, from Matthew.
• 1:30:43
  SPEAKER_01: Which I think about that a lot because like truth.
• 1:30:48
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know,
• 1:30:49
  SPEAKER_01: here's a fun other,
• 1:30:51
  SPEAKER_01: another fun anecdotal story that I heard somewhere where let's say the God and
• 1:30:56
  SPEAKER_01: the devil were walking down the street and God points to the ground and says,
• 1:31:00
  SPEAKER_01: hey, look, there's truth right there.
• 1:31:03
  SPEAKER_01: And then the devil picks up the truth and says, here, let me organize that for you.
• 1:31:09
  SPEAKER_01: Let me put it in material for you.
• 1:31:11
  SPEAKER_01: So God being the formless, the devil being the form.
• 1:31:17
  SPEAKER_01: They coincide because one can't be without the other because we can't get to divinity.
• 1:31:22
  SPEAKER_01: We can't get to the formless without form because of our incarnation, because of our humanism.
• 1:31:27
  SPEAKER_02: Right, right, right.
• 1:31:28
  SPEAKER_02: Because we're humans.
• 1:31:30
  SPEAKER_02: Damn.
• 1:31:32
  SPEAKER_02: Hey Gavin, what do you think?
• 1:31:39
  SPEAKER_03: Let me ask you something because you're so wise.
• 1:31:41
  SPEAKER_03: So we've been talking about Asian-ness, right?
• 1:31:43
  SPEAKER_03: Like, and this is all because we're both Asian Americans.
• 1:31:47
  SPEAKER_03: What do you think of the conversation so far?
• 1:31:49
  SPEAKER_03: Because also now that we're talking about Buddhism, right?
• 1:31:52
  SPEAKER_03: Let's talk about identities, right?
• 1:31:54
  SPEAKER_03: Because in Buddhism, it's about stripping all your identities, including being Asian, right?
• 1:32:01
  SPEAKER_03: That's an identity.
• 1:32:02
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 1:32:03
  SPEAKER_03: And so I wanted to talk about that.
• 1:32:05
  SPEAKER_03: And how do you feel in light of what we're talking about,
• 1:32:09
  SPEAKER_03: about being Asian-American and all that?
• 1:32:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, go ahead.
• 1:32:12
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:32:12
  SPEAKER_01: So what where my mind goes to is earlier, Andrew,
• 1:32:17
  SPEAKER_01: you were saying that someone told you that they've never had to think
• 1:32:21
  SPEAKER_01: about their identity before.
• 1:32:23
  SPEAKER_02: And you never was an issue posed.
• 1:32:26
  SPEAKER_01: It was never an issue.
• 1:32:27
  SPEAKER_01: And the question you pose is like, which which side is like Is it better to be privileged?
• 1:32:35
  SPEAKER_02: Can you remind me of how you said that?
• 1:32:38
  SPEAKER_02: Is it privileged to not have to think about your identity for
• 1:32:42
  SPEAKER_01: your identity?
• 1:32:45
  SPEAKER_02: Or is it more privileged or also privileged to be able to have
• 1:32:52
  SPEAKER_02: and exercise multiple sides of your identities?
• 1:32:57
  SPEAKER_01: So this is, yeah, absolutely.
• 1:32:59
  SPEAKER_01: And okay,
• 1:32:59
  SPEAKER_01: so maybe like here I will admit my own privilege because I am one who has never,
• 1:33:08
  SPEAKER_01: not, I've mainly have avoided, maybe there's a big avoidance and here's why.
• 1:33:15
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody likes the guy who's being proud of being white.
• 1:33:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:33:20
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody likes the guy who's proud of being white, you know?
• 1:33:23
  SPEAKER_01: And like, I understand it's fucking hateful.
• 1:33:26
  SPEAKER_01: But it oftentimes is very hateful.
• 1:33:29
  SPEAKER_01: So it's very interesting to me to hear you guys talk with passion and pride from where you come.
• 1:33:37
  SPEAKER_01: So I ask you this.
• 1:33:40
  SPEAKER_01: What use is it for me as a cisgendered straight white male to even contemplate my own identity?
• 1:33:49
  SPEAKER_02: What use is it
• 1:33:50
  SPEAKER_02: for me to contemplate?
• 1:33:52
  SPEAKER_02: So here's, that's a good question.
• 1:33:55
  SPEAKER_02: And you know what's funny is like,
• 1:33:57
  SPEAKER_02: even when I was in grade school, like,
• 1:33:58
  SPEAKER_02: or I was in high school and there was like this,
• 1:34:01
  SPEAKER_02: there was literally this white kid who I grew up with and he wasn't a bad,
• 1:34:04
  SPEAKER_02: like, we're all cool, played sports together.
• 1:34:07
  SPEAKER_02: But he was always questioning, how come we can't say white power?
• 1:34:10
  SPEAKER_02: How come we can't say white power or white pride?
• 1:34:12
  SPEAKER_02: And I just knew the historical context.
• 1:34:15
  SPEAKER_02: But honestly,
• 1:34:17
  SPEAKER_02: because he wasn't a horrible person himself,
• 1:34:20
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't really have a great explanation.
• 1:34:22
  SPEAKER_02: And then he ended up literally getting white power tatted on his belly.
• 1:34:31
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, that's crazy.
• 1:34:32
  SPEAKER_02: Now, maybe lowkey, I think his parents were kind of racist, but like... Sure.
• 1:34:37
  SPEAKER_02: Or prejudiced in the household or whatever.
• 1:34:39
  SPEAKER_02: But like, he was okay.
• 1:34:41
  SPEAKER_02: Like, he was okay.
• 1:34:42
  SPEAKER_02: He wasn't my best friend, but he was okay.
• 1:34:43
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 1:34:44
  SPEAKER_02: And then when he did that, a lot of like the Asian and minority kids, we were like, yo.
• 1:34:50
  SPEAKER_02: We were like, we know something's weird with doing that.
• 1:34:53
  SPEAKER_02: And we like, couldn't fully explain it.
• 1:34:55
  SPEAKER_02: And we were just like, what?
• 1:34:58
  SPEAKER_02: This is...
• 1:34:59
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, so what I want to say is that it's a complex question.
• 1:35:04
  SPEAKER_02: And I thought it was funny when you were like, oh, yeah, I'm a white guy.
• 1:35:08
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, like saying white pride has always been toxic
• 1:35:15
  SPEAKER_02: and bad.
• 1:35:16
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like,
• 1:35:17
  SPEAKER_02: you know, like,
• 1:35:18
  SPEAKER_02: it's really funny because I think I think when Everybody thought it was really bad.
• 1:35:25
  SPEAKER_02: It was obviously there's a historical context, right?
• 1:35:27
  SPEAKER_02: Like with the white power, that white power, that's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:35:32
  SPEAKER_02: So obviously, right,
• 1:35:35
  SPEAKER_02: anything that is a reference or like takes from something horrible in history has
• 1:35:42
  SPEAKER_02: a bad connotation.
• 1:35:44
  SPEAKER_02: Like, dude, The Nazis took the swastika.
• 1:35:47
  SPEAKER_02: The swastika obviously is not a bad symbol.
• 1:35:50
  SPEAKER_02: Now it's a bad symbol.
• 1:35:51
  SPEAKER_02: You turn it a little bit.
• 1:35:55
  SPEAKER_02: So what I mean is in 2026,
• 1:35:57
  SPEAKER_02: if we're really going to have a conversation about it,
• 1:35:59
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like,
• 1:36:01
  SPEAKER_02: you can be proud of being white,
• 1:36:04
  SPEAKER_02: If you know what being white is, and if that doesn't block out other people.
• 1:36:09
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I'm not trying to say you can't be an Asian shit.
• 1:36:13
  SPEAKER_02: Dude, you might speak Mandarin better than me.
• 1:36:15
  SPEAKER_02: There's tons of white people who speak better Mandarin than me.
• 1:36:18
  SPEAKER_02: That doesn't mean they've lived their life as a Chinese person.
• 1:36:21
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't mean they'll really know what it's like.
• 1:36:22
  SPEAKER_02: But aside from that, they can move to China.
• 1:36:25
  SPEAKER_02: They can speak Chinese.
• 1:36:26
  SPEAKER_02: I have to just accept, like, I'm not going to be the most Chinese person on earth.
• 1:36:30
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm literally not.
• 1:36:32
  SPEAKER_02: What if a Korean person is raised in China?
• 1:36:35
  SPEAKER_02: Well, fuck, they're just more Chinese than me.
• 1:36:38
  SPEAKER_03: Whatever.
• 1:36:39
  SPEAKER_02: Really, we're going to look at the blood?
• 1:36:41
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, the blood.
• 1:36:42
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 1:36:44
  SPEAKER_02: You're not... You won't be of the Han people.
• 1:36:50
  SPEAKER_02: But it's not like...
• 1:36:52
  SPEAKER_02: So what I mean is I think if you were to say, hey, I'm proud of European culture.
• 1:36:58
  SPEAKER_02: And I think I've watched enough of the...
• 1:37:02
  SPEAKER_02: We lost you, brother.
• 1:37:03
  SPEAKER_02: No, bro, we lost you.
• 1:37:04
  SPEAKER_01: You turned off your mic, I think.
• 1:37:07
  SPEAKER_02: Back, I'm back, I'm back.
• 1:37:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we hear you.
• 1:37:09
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so, like,
• 1:37:10
  SPEAKER_02: I've watched enough of, like,
• 1:37:12
  SPEAKER_02: I've kind of had these conversations where I'm like,
• 1:37:13
  SPEAKER_02: I don't, like,
• 1:37:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's just the phrasing that's a little bit off because it has a historical context.
• 1:37:18
  SPEAKER_02: But, like, I think you can be proud of being of European.
• 1:37:22
  SPEAKER_02: But you have to be specific of what it is, you know?
• 1:37:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I can point to the things.
• 1:37:25
  SPEAKER_02: That's why.
• 1:37:26
  SPEAKER_02: You know, or people can point.
• 1:37:27
  SPEAKER_02: Or, like, Caribbean people can be like, oh, I like Caribbean culture.
• 1:37:30
  SPEAKER_02: It's like the islands, you know, whatever.
• 1:37:32
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, cool.
• 1:37:34
  SPEAKER_02: So I guess, like,
• 1:37:35
  SPEAKER_02: you know, and I think that actually people actually have a lot to be proud about.
• 1:37:40
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's just that when they used to scream that,
• 1:37:43
  SPEAKER_02: it was like, Because they were about to go lynch some black people.
• 1:37:47
  SPEAKER_02: That's right.
• 1:37:49
  SPEAKER_02: So that's why we have to like change.
• 1:37:51
  SPEAKER_02: We got to do like a re, you know, repurpose.
• 1:37:54
  SPEAKER_01: But this is where I'm stuck because I'm not proud of European culture, dude.
• 1:38:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like our food sucks.
• 1:38:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like McDonald's.
• 1:38:02
  SPEAKER_01: Dude.
• 1:38:04
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even exactly know what American food is.
• 1:38:06
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you want me to convince you?
• 1:38:08
  SPEAKER_02: You want me to convince you that you're...
• 1:38:13
  SPEAKER_02: The world speaks the language.
• 1:38:15
  SPEAKER_03: It's the best language for the world
• 1:38:17
  SPEAKER_02: to learn, honestly.
• 1:38:18
  SPEAKER_01: It really is.
• 1:38:19
  SPEAKER_02: Super interchangeable.
• 1:38:20
  SPEAKER_02: You can incorporate all these different words.
• 1:38:22
  SPEAKER_02: The alphabet system is great.
• 1:38:25
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just saying objectively, I think it's a pretty good language.
• 1:38:29
  SPEAKER_01: And this is maybe where most of my ignorance and privilege will shine because, well,
• 1:38:35
  SPEAKER_01: like I've been conditioned to not speak up, you know, especially when I grew up.
• 1:38:40
  SPEAKER_01: I was 16 in 2016 whenever that first presidential election happened.
• 1:38:45
  SPEAKER_01: I was living in Washington, D.C. in my most formative years.
• 1:38:49
  SPEAKER_01: I was never like that.
• 1:38:52
  SPEAKER_01: Being in the political storm as a kid at that time,
• 1:38:56
  SPEAKER_01: I think really influenced my ability and confidence to even speak
• 1:39:01
  SPEAKER_01: about most politics.
• 1:39:03
  SPEAKER_01: God forbid identity politics because Like,
• 1:39:06
  SPEAKER_01: where the fuck do I stand in if nobody, like, you know?
• 1:39:11
  SPEAKER_02: No, I understand, yeah.
• 1:39:12
  SPEAKER_01: Given the historical, like, tainty.
• 1:39:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:39:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you, I mean, it's interesting that you guys grew up at a time,
• 1:39:18
  SPEAKER_02: I'm assuming you're similar age, right?
• 1:39:21
  SPEAKER_02: 26, 25.
• 1:39:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm 26, yeah.
• 1:39:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so you, yeah, you know what?
• 1:39:24
  SPEAKER_02: That's an interesting perspective of you growing up at a time where
• 1:39:28
  SPEAKER_02: the identity politics were so heated.
• 1:39:31
  SPEAKER_02: You didn't even get a chance to get a word in.
• 1:39:33
  SPEAKER_02: You were just sitting on the sidelines being like, Can I talk?
• 1:39:36
  SPEAKER_02: Should I even say anything?
• 1:39:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:39:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, we lost you again.
• 1:39:43
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
• 1:39:43
  SPEAKER_02: And then it's like, you're like on the sidelines being like, what should I do?
• 1:39:48
  SPEAKER_02: Like, is this still my country?
• 1:39:50
  SPEAKER_02: Or am I still the dominant guy?
• 1:39:53
  SPEAKER_02: And that's okay to have those thoughts.
• 1:39:57
  SPEAKER_02: And what I mean is to wrap this up,
• 1:39:58
  SPEAKER_02: I guess if you want language,
• 1:39:59
  SPEAKER_02: like functionally something, a takeaway is like, you know, I don't know.
• 1:40:05
  SPEAKER_02: I don't need to say yellow power, Asian power.
• 1:40:07
  SPEAKER_02: If I say that, it's almost like a half joke, you know, in tongue in cheek.
• 1:40:12
  SPEAKER_02: But I think like...
• 1:40:13
  SPEAKER_02: To be proud of... Dude, so many white dudes died for America to be this great.
• 1:40:22
  SPEAKER_02: Like, are we just gonna overlook that?
• 1:40:24
  SPEAKER_03: Come on, guys.
• 1:40:24
  SPEAKER_03: Are we gonna overlook that?
• 1:40:26
  SPEAKER_03: Today is white tonight.
• 1:40:33
  SPEAKER_02: But it's also the reason why,
• 1:40:34
  SPEAKER_02: and we all know the reason why it's not cool for you to stand up on your soapbox
• 1:40:39
  SPEAKER_02: and say that is because it's like redundant because we're already like,
• 1:40:42
  SPEAKER_02: well, you're already like tall white guy because you just chill out.
• 1:40:46
  SPEAKER_02: Let the agent say that.
• 1:40:48
  SPEAKER_02: I can say that about the white people.
• 1:40:53
  SPEAKER_02: Let me show acknowledgement and keep it real.
• 1:41:00
  SPEAKER_02: And yes, burgers are great, to be honest.
• 1:41:02
  SPEAKER_02: We don't have to overlook.
• 1:41:03
  SPEAKER_02: Burgers are top tier.
• 1:41:04
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, true.
• 1:41:06
  SPEAKER_02: It's true.
• 1:41:10
  SPEAKER_02: What?
• 1:41:10
  SPEAKER_02: We're just going to overlook rotisserie chicken?
• 1:41:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like, come on.
• 1:41:13
  SPEAKER_02: Hot dogs.
• 1:41:15
  SPEAKER_02: These are top tier.
• 1:41:17
  SPEAKER_02: Hot dogs.
• 1:41:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, sure.
• 1:41:18
  SPEAKER_02: Sausages.
• 1:41:19
  SPEAKER_01: I'll pass on the quizies.
• 1:41:21
  SPEAKER_02: Tex-Mex, we're just going to pass over.
• 1:41:27
  SPEAKER_01: I lived in Texas for a while, so barbecue, Tex-Mex, all that.
• 1:41:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well,
• 1:41:33
  SPEAKER_02: barbecue,
• 1:41:34
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's just because so much of American culture overlooks, like,
• 1:41:38
  SPEAKER_02: if we're going to attribute it to white people,
• 1:41:40
  SPEAKER_02: we got to also attribute it to,
• 1:41:41
  SPEAKER_02: like, kind of shout out to the Native Americans, you know, for the barbecue.
• 1:41:44
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 1:41:45
  SPEAKER_02: This is my biggest quarrel with American culture.
• 1:41:48
  SPEAKER_02: Because it can always keep... You're right that...
• 1:41:52
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry to cut you off, but what I think you're about to say is like, this is your...
• 1:41:56
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry, go.
• 1:41:56
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, you just go and I'll respond.
• 1:41:59
  SPEAKER_01: No, are you... No, no, dude.
• 1:42:01
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry.
• 1:42:02
  SPEAKER_02: No, no.
• 1:42:03
  SPEAKER_02: This doesn't count as a white guy interrupting me.
• 1:42:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's okay.
• 1:42:04
  SPEAKER_02: Go, go, go, go, go.
• 1:42:06
  SPEAKER_02: Go, go, go, go, go, go, dude.
• 1:42:08
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, no,
• 1:42:09
  SPEAKER_01: but this is my biggest pearl is that like all of white culture is just stolen
• 1:42:13
  SPEAKER_01: from other people's cool shit.
• 1:42:15
  SPEAKER_01: But at the same time, right?
• 1:42:17
  SPEAKER_01: Or is that an ignorant perspective?
• 1:42:18
  SPEAKER_01: Tell me.
• 1:42:19
  SPEAKER_02: I think you're not giving enough credit and I don't think you have to stand here
• 1:42:23
  SPEAKER_02: and convince people because we're all speaking English, dude.
• 1:42:27
  SPEAKER_02: Who the fuck came up with fucking sidewalks?
• 1:42:29
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 1:42:30
  SPEAKER_02: I'm pretty sure it was like a...
• 1:42:32
  SPEAKER_02: In Britain, in London, they had sidewalks, you know what I mean?
• 1:42:35
  SPEAKER_02: Or cars.
• 1:42:37
  SPEAKER_02: Now, Japanese may have made more efficient cars,
• 1:42:40
  SPEAKER_02: but literally, y'all invented, you guys invented cars.
• 1:42:45
  SPEAKER_02: So, like, I don't know.
• 1:42:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's all these things, like, I think, like, are you talking about Europeans right now?
• 1:42:51
  SPEAKER_02: European, people of European ancestry.
• 1:42:54
  SPEAKER_01: Well, see, like, that's so far removed from my own identity.
• 1:42:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't even consider Europe,
• 1:43:00
  SPEAKER_01: like, as a part of myself, even though technically speaking,
• 1:43:04
  SPEAKER_02: you know.
• 1:43:05
  SPEAKER_02: Let's take a more modern rock and roll.
• 1:43:08
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:43:10
  SPEAKER_01: Even still stolen by black blues.
• 1:43:13
  SPEAKER_02: Stolen, inspired by, you know, it's...
• 1:43:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, is there one thing you like?
• 1:43:25
  SPEAKER_02: All right, let me just say, let me, all right, so I got to go.
• 1:43:30
  SPEAKER_02: So we, this has been very fun, but I'm not trying to convince you of anything.
• 1:43:38
  SPEAKER_02: If you feel like that you like other cultures more or you find...
• 1:43:42
  SPEAKER_02: The great thing about America and the great thing about identity
• 1:43:44
  SPEAKER_02: and globalization is that we all get to pick and choose, okay?
• 1:43:48
  SPEAKER_02: There are Japanese people in Japan that are dressed,
• 1:43:51
  SPEAKER_02: living like Chicano, like, you know, with hydraulics and like essays.
• 1:43:56
  SPEAKER_02: Like, what's up, boo?
• 1:43:57
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and then there's all this globalization of culture.
• 1:44:01
  SPEAKER_02: And like, if you like Buddhism...
• 1:44:05
  SPEAKER_02: Asian culture, Asian food, you like Asian girls, whatever.
• 1:44:08
  SPEAKER_02: Like, that's great.
• 1:44:09
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you can, you know, in a healthy way, you can, that's fine.
• 1:44:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you don't have to stay white without telling you to be white.
• 1:44:16
  SPEAKER_02: You know,
• 1:44:16
  SPEAKER_02: just like if I want to start a barbecue shop or make burgers or,
• 1:44:21
  SPEAKER_02: you know, have kids with a Ukrainian person.
• 1:44:25
  SPEAKER_03: Bro, this is real.
• 1:44:26
  SPEAKER_03: This is where we want to get.
• 1:44:27
  SPEAKER_03: This is where we want to get.
• 1:44:28
  SPEAKER_03: We want to get to a world where these identities are fluid, man.
• 1:44:33
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:44:33
  SPEAKER_03: We can't be grasping to anything.
• 1:44:35
  SPEAKER_03: I'm Asian.
• 1:44:36
  SPEAKER_03: I'm Latino.
• 1:44:37
  SPEAKER_03: Bro, hold it loosely.
• 1:44:39
  SPEAKER_03: It is your history.
• 1:44:39
  SPEAKER_03: It is your culture.
• 1:44:41
  SPEAKER_03: But let's let everybody be who they want to be.
• 1:44:43
  SPEAKER_03: And that's part of it.
• 1:44:45
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:44:46
  SPEAKER_02: If the last five years has taught us anything, you can be whatever you identify as, okay?
• 1:44:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 1:44:54
  SPEAKER_02: So go for it.
• 1:44:55
  SPEAKER_02: That's actually good, bro.
• 1:44:56
  SPEAKER_02: But just do it.
• 1:44:58
  SPEAKER_03: I'm a leftist.
• 1:45:00
  SPEAKER_02: But do it thoughtfully.
• 1:45:04
  SPEAKER_02: Do it mindfully, right?
• 1:45:05
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 1:45:07
  SPEAKER_02: You don't have to become.
• 1:45:08
  SPEAKER_02: You cannot become a Chinese ABC, even if you love ABC culture.
• 1:45:14
  SPEAKER_02: But you don't have to be.
• 1:45:16
  SPEAKER_02: You can just appreciate it.
• 1:45:17
  SPEAKER_02: Andrew, what's up?
• 1:45:18
  SPEAKER_02: Let's wrap it up.
• 1:45:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:45:22
  SPEAKER_03: One more question.
• 1:45:23
  SPEAKER_03: Bro, bro.
• 1:45:24
  SPEAKER_03: Let's do it.
• 1:45:24
  SPEAKER_03: Because this is very important.
• 1:45:26
  SPEAKER_03: This is called the eternal loop question we ask all our special guests.
• 1:45:29
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, my God.
• 1:45:31
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:45:31
  SPEAKER_02: This sounds so complicated.
• 1:45:32
  SPEAKER_02: All right, let's do it.
• 1:45:33
  SPEAKER_02: No, bro.
• 1:45:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's very easy.
• 1:45:36
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, no.
• 1:45:36
  SPEAKER_03: Your answer is going to be very enlightening.
• 1:45:38
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:45:38
  SPEAKER_03: The eternal loop question is if you can relive one moment or experience
• 1:45:43
  SPEAKER_03: on loop forever, eternally.
• 1:45:45
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:45:46
  SPEAKER_03: And you're going to be happy with this institution.
• 1:45:49
  SPEAKER_03: You're not going to get tired of it.
• 1:45:50
  SPEAKER_03: You're not going to even know you're in this loop because you are so,
• 1:45:54
  SPEAKER_03: you know, you're loving it so much.
• 1:45:56
  SPEAKER_03: So what would that moment or experience be?
• 1:45:59
  SPEAKER_03: Think about it for real.
• 1:46:11
  SPEAKER_02: All right, so I got, like, two answers.
• 1:46:15
  SPEAKER_02: One is a little more self-focused.
• 1:46:20
  SPEAKER_02: But I think they're both very equal in the sense of, like,
• 1:46:24
  SPEAKER_02: when I think about just a moment recently,
• 1:46:27
  SPEAKER_02: I'll just think of, like, in the past five, 10 years.
• 1:46:31
  SPEAKER_02: I was at this basketball charity game where I hit this game-winning shot.
• 1:46:40
  SPEAKER_02: Over this guy.
• 1:46:42
  SPEAKER_02: It's like a crazy Kobe shot, like a pump fake pivot.
• 1:46:46
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, reach it.
• 1:46:47
  SPEAKER_02: I just get it in.
• 1:46:49
  SPEAKER_02: And it was so fun in that moment.
• 1:46:50
  SPEAKER_02: And that was,
• 1:46:53
  SPEAKER_02: it's like moments like that or like scoring a touchdown
• 1:46:56
  SPEAKER_02: that it's almost like you're, you feel like a superstar for like 20 seconds.
• 1:47:03
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you turn into an NBA player.
• 1:47:06
  SPEAKER_02: Like I just hit like a game five like buzzer beater,
• 1:47:10
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 1:47:11
  SPEAKER_02: or game seven buzzer beater to win the series, you know, like a Kawhi Leonard shot.
• 1:47:15
  SPEAKER_02: You guys are familiar with that.
• 1:47:17
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like, so that's cool.
• 1:47:18
  SPEAKER_02: And that's like on a kind of like euphoric dopamine, you know.
• 1:47:24
  SPEAKER_02: And then I feel like there's the serotonin answer where it's like,
• 1:47:28
  SPEAKER_02: I think just like,
• 1:47:30
  SPEAKER_02: you know, I like,
• 1:47:31
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 1:47:31
  SPEAKER_02: I've been meaning to spend more time with my parents and I don't think I'm short
• 1:47:35
  SPEAKER_02: on time with them.
• 1:47:36
  SPEAKER_02: I see them quite often,
• 1:47:37
  SPEAKER_02: but like,
• 1:47:38
  SPEAKER_02: just like seeing them healthy and just giving them both hugs
• 1:47:41
  SPEAKER_02: and seeing like my sister's family, like,
• 1:47:46
  SPEAKER_02: and the nephews growing up, like that's when I go back and see all of them together.
• 1:47:50
  SPEAKER_02: There's like a...
• 1:47:51
  SPEAKER_02: There's like a moment of it's not as like celebratory as like hitting
• 1:47:55
  SPEAKER_02: the game winner for myself or my own glory, of course.
• 1:47:57
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:47:58
  SPEAKER_02: But it's also like, dang, like my family is still here.
• 1:48:01
  SPEAKER_02: They're still healthy.
• 1:48:02
  SPEAKER_02: You know, not there's still like my parents still, I think, love each other.
• 1:48:07
  SPEAKER_02: You know, they're still together.
• 1:48:09
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm I'm very fortunate for a pretty solid relationship.
• 1:48:15
  SPEAKER_02: Family structure at least.
• 1:48:18
  SPEAKER_02: Because I talk to a lot of friends.
• 1:48:20
  SPEAKER_02: Talk to a lot of friends.
• 1:48:20
  SPEAKER_02: And we know, like, by now, a lot of our friends, their parents have been divorced.
• 1:48:25
  SPEAKER_02: They've passed on.
• 1:48:26
  SPEAKER_02: Or they always argued with their father.
• 1:48:28
  SPEAKER_02: They still argue.
• 1:48:29
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I got a good friend who, like, constantly argues with his dad.
• 1:48:33
  SPEAKER_02: And his dad has cancer.
• 1:48:34
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm just like, dude.
• 1:48:35
  SPEAKER_02: And he's just like...
• 1:48:36
  SPEAKER_02: and he's like it's been that way so but
• 1:48:38
  SPEAKER_02: so maybe maybe it keeps things lively too listen I don't know you know
• 1:48:42
  SPEAKER_02: but I'm also just like
• 1:48:43
  SPEAKER_02: from my perspective I'm like damn I wish I wish you could communicate differently
• 1:48:48
  SPEAKER_02: believe in you but then like you know it's also not my place like you guys have
• 1:48:51
  SPEAKER_02: a whole history together that I'm not aware of you know
• 1:48:54
  SPEAKER_02: so I'm like all right you know so uh bro
• 1:48:57
  SPEAKER_03: but they usually turn Eternal loop,
• 1:48:58
  SPEAKER_03: two of them, amazing.
• 1:48:59
  SPEAKER_03: But let me ask you this,
• 1:49:00
  SPEAKER_03: in these two eternal loops,
• 1:49:01
  SPEAKER_03: it says a lot about like you're super present in these moments, right?
• 1:49:05
  SPEAKER_03: That's one of the things, right?
• 1:49:07
  SPEAKER_03: You're really, really present at that game-winning shot or when you're with your parents.
• 1:49:11
  SPEAKER_03: Bro, but like in any of this, so that is kind of like where you feel most alive as a human.
• 1:49:18
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:49:19
  SPEAKER_03: That's what it identifies.
• 1:49:21
  SPEAKER_03: Everybody has the...
• 1:49:22
  SPEAKER_03: Interesting answer, bro.
• 1:49:24
  SPEAKER_03: Every answer is interesting.
• 1:49:25
  SPEAKER_03: What they choose, right?
• 1:49:27
  SPEAKER_03: But what I'm saying here,
• 1:49:28
  SPEAKER_03: going back to finalizing the whole Asian identity thing,
• 1:49:33
  SPEAKER_03: in those two moments, is there an Asian Andrew or no?
• 1:49:39
  SPEAKER_03: Are you even thinking about identity or your Asian-ness?
• 1:49:43
  SPEAKER_03: Is that important at all?
• 1:49:45
  SPEAKER_03: Is that your essence?
• 1:49:46
  SPEAKER_03: Is that where you feel most alive?
• 1:49:48
  SPEAKER_02: In those moments?
• 1:49:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:49:51
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, It's involving Asian people.
• 1:49:56
  SPEAKER_03: No, but that's not what it's about.
• 1:49:59
  SPEAKER_03: It's not what it's about.
• 1:50:00
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's not.
• 1:50:01
  SPEAKER_02: It's not about it, man.
• 1:50:01
  SPEAKER_03: That's where we got to get the world to, bro.
• 1:50:04
  SPEAKER_03: Bro, like, appreciate everybody's background, experiences, history, food, culture.
• 1:50:09
  SPEAKER_02: That's it.
• 1:50:10
  SPEAKER_02: You convinced me.
• 1:50:10
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not talking about being Asian anymore, man.
• 1:50:13
  SPEAKER_02: I'm past.
• 1:50:15
  SPEAKER_02: I'm done.
• 1:50:15
  SPEAKER_03: No, bro.
• 1:50:16
  SPEAKER_03: Fuck.
• 1:50:17
  SPEAKER_03: Identity does not exist.
• 1:50:18
  SPEAKER_02: We are all much more than it.
• 1:50:20
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 1:50:21
  SPEAKER_02: Fuck it, bro.
• 1:50:27
  SPEAKER_02: No, sometimes, sometimes you got to say that.
• 1:50:31
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes you got to say that.
• 1:50:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you're right.
• 1:50:34
  SPEAKER_02: You can't live in this thing for, it's too, it's even me.
• 1:50:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I let it go.
• 1:50:39
  SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah,
• 1:50:40
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just like,
• 1:50:40
  SPEAKER_02: no, I'm just like, you know, I don't want to always think like, oh, I can't do it.
• 1:50:44
  SPEAKER_02: I can't do that.
• 1:50:45
  SPEAKER_02: And people see me this way.
• 1:50:45
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, and also just things are changing.
• 1:50:47
  SPEAKER_02: Things are much better than they were.
• 1:50:49
  SPEAKER_02: And just the world is changing.
• 1:50:50
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, cool.
• 1:50:51
  SPEAKER_02: Bro, I know you have
• 1:50:53
  SPEAKER_03: to go, bro.
• 1:50:54
  SPEAKER_03: This was unbelievable.
• 1:50:55
  Our best.
• 1:50:56
  SPEAKER_03: It was a really good time.
• 1:50:58
  SPEAKER_02: It was a really good time.
• 1:50:59
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you so much.
• 1:51:00
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you, buddy.
• 1:51:01
  SPEAKER_03: Peace.
• 1:51:01
  SPEAKER_02: All right, Cisco and Gavin.
• 1:51:03
  SPEAKER_01: How are you doing, guys?
• 1:51:21
  SPEAKER_03: Pretty good, boss.
• 1:51:22
  SPEAKER_00: Pretty good.
• 1:51:23
  SPEAKER_00: Gavin dropping the sauce at the end.
• 1:51:27
  SPEAKER_03: You stay stealth mode.
• 1:51:29
  SPEAKER_01: You stay stealth mode.
• 1:51:33
  SPEAKER_01: I felt like, oh man, I don't know.
• 1:51:35
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't feel like I had a lot to say at the beginning.
• 1:51:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like, as I said,
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  SPEAKER_01: it was kind of hard for me to relate a little bit because I've never felt pride
• 1:51:43
  SPEAKER_01: about being white.
• 1:51:45
  SPEAKER_03: Isn't that interesting though, right?
• 1:51:47
  SPEAKER_03: Like you guys don't feel bad because you're not supposed to.
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  SPEAKER_00: I feel like the mob mentality of that,
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  SPEAKER_00: you need to unlearn it because man,
• 1:51:57
  SPEAKER_00: like all you can think is self-negative and like,
• 1:52:02
  SPEAKER_00: if everyone else can say they have pride,
• 1:52:04
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 1:52:05
  SPEAKER_00: and if you're doing it or not,
• 1:52:06
  SPEAKER_00: I, you know, I'm not going to hurt anybody kind of way.
• 1:52:10
  SPEAKER_00: Isn't that incredible?
• 1:52:11
  SPEAKER_00: The mental control.
• 1:52:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, bro.
• 1:52:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's so incredible, bro.
• 1:52:16
  SPEAKER_00: But what, you know, so man, I would say, hey, don't dunk on it too much.
• 1:52:21
  SPEAKER_00: Because like, I mean, with narratives, you can always make it sound bad.
• 1:52:26
  SPEAKER_00: But you can always like, okay, all that has happened.
• 1:52:30
  SPEAKER_01: But that's what you said.
• 1:52:31
  SPEAKER_01: With the narratives, you can always make it sound bad.
• 1:52:34
  SPEAKER_01: And I feel like,
• 1:52:35
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't mean to be such a doomer,
• 1:52:36
  SPEAKER_01: but I feel like that's kind of where I was trying to push it to.
• 1:52:39
  SPEAKER_01: Because no matter where you identify with, there's always a wall that you hit.
• 1:52:43
  SPEAKER_01: And then you always hit that suffering of, oh,
• 1:52:46
  SPEAKER_01: this compared to that,
• 1:52:47
  SPEAKER_01: or this, I'm this, or that, or the thing that we've been talking about.
• 1:52:53
  SPEAKER_01: I kind of was trying to get it to the point that Bruno was making that he came home
• 1:52:57
  SPEAKER_01: with, was like, I don't identify with being white, man.
• 1:53:03
  SPEAKER_01: And then I was going to put it to maybe the flow state.
• 1:53:08
  SPEAKER_01: Whenever you enter the flow state, you kind of identify with the action as opposed to an idea.
• 1:53:14
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly, bro.
• 1:53:15
  SPEAKER_03: All that shit disappears, bro.
• 1:53:17
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 1:53:19
  SPEAKER_01: And what does that
• 1:53:20
  SPEAKER_03: place feel like?
• 1:53:21
  SPEAKER_03: Amazing.
• 1:53:21
  SPEAKER_03: It's peace.
• 1:53:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's more true than all of these stories that are playing in our heads.
• 1:53:30
  SPEAKER_01: And because all of the stories that are playing in our heads are most of
• 1:53:33
  SPEAKER_01: the time Doomer thoughts, man.
• 1:53:35
  SPEAKER_01: So I was trying to be like,
• 1:53:38
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't really mean to dog on Americans that bad,
• 1:53:41
  SPEAKER_01: but I was just trying to be maybe like an advocate.
• 1:53:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you were leading it towards like,
• 1:53:47
  SPEAKER_00: you know, we're all a consciousness behind whatever skin we do have.
• 1:53:53
  SPEAKER_00: I guess I look at it too from like a freedom of speech aspect
• 1:53:57
  SPEAKER_00: because like you basically just limited what I could say.
• 1:54:02
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm in a nation where I could technically say anything,
• 1:54:06
  SPEAKER_00: even heinous,
• 1:54:07
  SPEAKER_00: even evil,
• 1:54:08
  SPEAKER_00: like I am still allowed to say something,
• 1:54:12
  SPEAKER_00: but There's this control that happened where I couldn't even have an opinion
• 1:54:18
  SPEAKER_00: because my ancestors oppressed people.
• 1:54:21
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I didn't do that.
• 1:54:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, bro.
• 1:54:25
  SPEAKER_03: Bro, what did you guys think of the eternal loop connection?
• 1:54:28
  SPEAKER_03: And then like a bang with the identity thing.
• 1:54:30
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, is the Asian there?
• 1:54:32
  SPEAKER_01: That was pretty good.
• 1:54:33
  SPEAKER_01: You brought it to presence.
• 1:54:37
  SPEAKER_01: Cut it right to the bone.
• 1:54:41
  SPEAKER_03: Bro, guys, this was amazing.
• 1:54:42
  SPEAKER_03: Gavin, thank you so much for showing up too, man.
• 1:54:45
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for having me.
• 1:54:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm glad that I was able to contribute a little bit to the end.
• 1:54:52
  SPEAKER_01: Unbelievable.
• 1:54:53
  SPEAKER_01: Me and you are just
• 1:54:54
  SPEAKER_01: watching as two white boys.
• 1:54:57
  SPEAKER_00: We're having all this fun.
• 1:54:58
  SPEAKER_03: Next time, scream out white pride, dude.
• 1:55:02
  SPEAKER_03: Next time, scream out white pride.
• 1:55:04
  SPEAKER_03: It's all recorded.
• 1:55:05
  SPEAKER_03: It's okay, bro.
• 1:55:07
  SPEAKER_03: Bro.
• 1:55:10
  SPEAKER_03: I'm going to close up the room, guys, all right?
• 1:55:12
  SPEAKER_03: But it was awesome, man.
• 1:55:14
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you, guys.
• 1:55:15
  SPEAKER_03: Amazing.
• 1:55:16
  SPEAKER_03: Peace.
• 1:55:17
  SPEAKER_03: Peace.