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M and M EXTRA MAY 15, 2026 Why Mike (and Trump) don’t drink, why teens drink less · The M&M Experience

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to a meeting of the minds crafted from decades
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  Speaker 1: of talk show experience, an extension of the magic they've
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  Speaker 1: created together on radio in the phenomenon called M and M.
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  Speaker 1: Hot Topics in the News and Wisdom from Light. It's
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  Speaker 1: Mark Davis and Mike Gallagher. This is Eminem Extra.
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  Speaker 2: And will you look at us. We made it to
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  Speaker 2: the end of another week. We made it to the
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  Speaker 2: end of our second week of this adventure. I'm the
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  Speaker 2: M that is Mark, He's the M that is Mike.
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  Speaker 2: It's Eminem Extra. Happy Friday, Happy weekend.
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  Speaker 3: How you doing.
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  Speaker 4: It's been a week, It's been a whole long while
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  Speaker 4: here in South Carolina. I was in South Carolina yesterday
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  Speaker 4: earlier and I'm kind of just spent because I'm tired
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  Speaker 4: of all the redistricting drama.
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  Speaker 2: So I have a palate cleanser I'm going to begin.
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  Speaker 2: It is in fact, three topics in one ok that
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  Speaker 2: all relate to one thing. And it's three three, three
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  Speaker 2: topics in one yes, and being a weekend, and it
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  Speaker 2: will resonate with a lot of people heading into the
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  Speaker 2: weekend because the common thread through all three of these things.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna billboard him bam, bam, bam, thumbnail them and
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  Speaker 2: then we'll go down a little avenue with with each
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  Speaker 2: of them. And they are the very very fine and
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  Speaker 2: weekend appropriate subject of drinking. That's right, drinking on eminem Extra.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what I mean. You on your show yesterday, and
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  Speaker 2: this is funny. Everybody threw through the lens. This is
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  Speaker 2: something Mike generally does not do and something I make
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  Speaker 2: up for it for because I do in moderation, I do,
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  Speaker 2: so I'll say I'll drink it up for both of us. Kidding, kidding, kidding,
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  Speaker 2: but you you were not kidding. You were very serious
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  Speaker 2: and talking about Trump in China, you and I. This
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  Speaker 2: kind of resonated with me, but in hearing you talk
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  Speaker 2: about it, it really meant a lot. Because Trump is
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  Speaker 2: a complete teetotaler. He saw his brother have a life
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  Speaker 2: destroyed because because of that. Trump has just said I
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  Speaker 2: just don't drink, but out of deference to his hosts
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  Speaker 2: in a toast, he did, and that struck you as
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  Speaker 2: very meaningful. I want to dig into that with you
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  Speaker 2: for a second. We also so had ran Paul's drunken
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  Speaker 2: son went after a Congressman, Mike Lawler, and we got
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  Speaker 2: into a little bit of a round table of when
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  Speaker 2: somebody gets drunk, does something terrible and then seeks to
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  Speaker 2: mitigate the damage by going, we I get a drinking problem. Well,
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  Speaker 2: maybe you do, maybe you don't. And third, a survey taken.
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  Speaker 2: Did you see this?
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  Speaker 3: They asked?
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  Speaker 2: I guess they're asking eighteen year olds have you ever
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  Speaker 2: consumed alcohol fifty years ago? Ninety two percent said yes.
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  Speaker 2: In the other eight reliant ninety two percent said yes,
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  Speaker 2: and now it's less than half. So as soon as
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  Speaker 2: everybody goes, oh, that's great, less team drinking, some people
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  Speaker 2: came in and said is it so great? And I
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  Speaker 2: might have been one of those people. So there's three good,
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  Speaker 2: solid drinking subjects. Give me sixty seconds if you will,
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  Speaker 2: because you've phrased it so beautifully, the moment when Trump
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  Speaker 2: rose to make the toast and what you saw that
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  Speaker 2: really really hit you in the herd.
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  Speaker 4: Well, First of all, this is the eminem Extra podcast,
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  Speaker 4: so we're not we don't do the give me sixty seconds.
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  Speaker 4: Mark Davis rulers ten minutes. That's on the radio show.
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  Speaker 3: I'll go grab a beer while you touch.
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  Speaker 4: Remember, time constraints are out the window. So no, that's
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  Speaker 4: a great expression. You use a lot, give me sixty seconds.
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  Speaker 4: Over the years, I've become very fond of the Mark
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  Speaker 4: Davis colloquialisms, you know, and that's one of them. Let
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  Speaker 4: the game come to us. I love that one. There's
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  Speaker 4: you could put a whole book together of Mark Davis
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  Speaker 4: one on ones. But you know what, you are right
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  Speaker 4: that all three of those tie together in a very
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  Speaker 4: interesting way. Because in fact, I'll start with number two
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  Speaker 4: and tie it to number one. The reason I wanted
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  Speaker 4: to exhibit some grace over Rand Paul's drunken son, and
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  Speaker 4: the story is that Rand Paul's son, who's I guess
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  Speaker 4: in his twenties, came across Congressman Mike Lawler in a
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  Speaker 4: bar somewhere, and Mike Lawler, of course, is a New
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  Speaker 4: York Republican congressman and they got into it, and the
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  Speaker 4: kid was the young man was drunk and started blaming
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  Speaker 4: he's a you people or the reason we're in Iran,
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  Speaker 4: and Lawler's like, I mean you people, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: you know the Jews, the Jews, and Lawler said, I'm
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  Speaker 4: not even Jewish. And then the guy, so I apologize
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  Speaker 4: that you're not a Jew. I thought you were a
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  Speaker 4: Jew and it was a drunken tirade. What sort of
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  Speaker 4: impacted me was his apology. He took to social media
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  Speaker 4: and he essentially said, those I was drunk, the words
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  Speaker 4: that were said do not reflect who I am, and
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  Speaker 4: I'm seeking help for my drinking problem. Now a lot
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  Speaker 4: of people roll their eyes at that, but I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to tell you, as somebody who has had people in
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  Speaker 4: my life who have been ravaged by alcoholism, I've got
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  Speaker 4: a soft spot in my heart for somebody who possibly
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  Speaker 4: is able to say I got a problem here, look
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  Speaker 4: at me. I've embarrassed I've embarrassed my family, I've embarrassed
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  Speaker 4: my dad, I've embarrassed myself. I was shameful in what
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  Speaker 4: I said to this guy, and I've got a big
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  Speaker 4: problem on my hands. And so and it goes to
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  Speaker 4: number one. And I don't say this very often. In fact,
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  Speaker 4: I think yesterday when I said it on air, it's
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  Speaker 4: the first time that I've ever publicly admitted to why
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  Speaker 4: I'm a teetotaler. And I am a teetotaler. That doesn't
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  Speaker 4: mean out of respect. If somebody's going to have a
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  Speaker 4: sip of champagne or a glass of wine. I'll take
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  Speaker 4: a sip of wine so as not to be rude
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  Speaker 4: to the host. First of all, I don't really like
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  Speaker 4: the taste of alcohol and what it does to me.
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  Speaker 4: But more importantly, I'm kind of like President Trump. I've
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  Speaker 4: seen what damage alcohol abuse can do, and I don't
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  Speaker 4: drink for that reason. You know, I've I've got a
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  Speaker 4: big problem with consumption. I do like I overindulge. I
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  Speaker 4: like a Broadway show, All go seventy seven times. If
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  Speaker 4: I like massage therapy, I go every day. I like
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  Speaker 4: Die Coch, I'll drink twelve a day, and I mean it.
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  Speaker 4: I've got so I could go very easily down a
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  Speaker 4: path of addiction, There's no doubt in my mind. And
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  Speaker 4: thank god, I've managed to avoid that my whole life.
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  Speaker 4: And I think it's largely because I stay away from
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  Speaker 4: drugs and alcohol at all times. It scares me because
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  Speaker 4: I've seen what horrible devastation it can do if it's abused.
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  Speaker 4: And that doesn't mean a moderate drinker or somebody who's responsible.
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  Speaker 4: Obviously I don't. But that's and so when Trump did that,
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  Speaker 4: that's why. And I'm glad you caught me saying that
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  Speaker 4: I did what I was moved. I was moved here,
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  Speaker 4: and you talk about it, Yeah, because it was a
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  Speaker 4: sign of respect on his part, because for him, not
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  Speaker 4: unlike me, it's a philosophical commitment that he's making to
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  Speaker 4: not drink. He's doing that probably to honor his brother,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm doing it to honor the loved ones in
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  Speaker 4: my life. I've had so many problems with it.
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  Speaker 2: And it's funny because I know there are people you
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  Speaker 2: and I probably both do this, and sometimes we're right
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  Speaker 2: and sometimes we're not. I can sense there are people listening,
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  Speaker 2: watching right now thinking something. So I'm gonna channel it
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  Speaker 2: and address it. And that is people saying my good speech.
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  Speaker 2: Understand you don't want to become an alcoholic. Maybe you've
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  Speaker 2: got a little bit of a very not an addictive personality,
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  Speaker 2: but a tendency to really go all in.
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  Speaker 4: Oh I've got an addictive.
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  Speaker 2: Personality, but it's not that you. You could probably be
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  Speaker 2: an okay social drinker. Give it a try, blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 2: And the reason you don't. It's funny you mentioned my
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  Speaker 2: catchphrases in my whatevers they are. There's one that I
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  Speaker 2: that I deploy a lot called reduced to zero, you're
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  Speaker 2: making a decision.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe you could, I mean, I don't know, maybe maybe
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  Speaker 3: you could.
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  Speaker 2: But you've made a decision to reduce to zero the
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  Speaker 2: possibility of you having a drinking problem. And the way
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  Speaker 2: to do that is to simply leave it alone completely,
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  Speaker 2: because if you thought one day, you know, oh, I
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  Speaker 2: could have a beer after work, you know, I could
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  Speaker 2: knock down a bottle of wine with a bunch of friends,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and then and then maybe something does go wrong.
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  Speaker 2: By reducing to zero, you've taken ultimate control over this
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  Speaker 2: and made a decision that cannot be forded. And I
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  Speaker 2: think that is to be admired well.
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  Speaker 4: And the other expression over the years I've heard is
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  Speaker 4: remove the objection, get the objection out of the way,
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  Speaker 4: or get the obstacle out of the way. And that's
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  Speaker 4: what I've I've always wanted to do and I and
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  Speaker 4: I have and I make a commitment. And incidentally, there's
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  Speaker 4: a lot of cultural pressure to drink. I've often been
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  Speaker 4: in a kind of uncomfortable situations, particularly with work dinners
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  Speaker 4: and gatherings, where people are drinking and they got a
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  Speaker 4: bottle of wine out, or they're pouring bourbon or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I had a guy a few weeks ago
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  Speaker 4: wanted me to be a guest on a podcast, and
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  Speaker 4: I and it's a friend of a friend, and it
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  Speaker 4: was a there was a good reason that I wanted
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  Speaker 4: to do it in terms of my business relationships. I said, well, sure,
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  Speaker 4: I can do it. He said great. Good. First of all,
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  Speaker 4: he said, and I need you to give me like
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  Speaker 4: two to three hours of commitment to do my podcast.
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  Speaker 4: I fell off. I wouldn't do two to three hours
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  Speaker 4: with anybody. You tell me about it. You I love you.
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  Speaker 4: I love you that much. Two to three hours, two
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  Speaker 4: to three hours. So I very diplomatically said, well, I
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  Speaker 4: can give you twenty minutes, twenty to thirty minutes, not
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  Speaker 4: to be a jerk here, but two to three hours.
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  Speaker 4: Give me a break. He goes, okay, I can make
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  Speaker 4: that work. Now we're doing this back and forth exchange,
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  Speaker 4: and he says, now the premise of my podcast is
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  Speaker 4: that I'm going to have you drink whiskey on the podcast.
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  Speaker 4: What I know I tell me about I'm reading these
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  Speaker 4: emails like I'm having a stroke. Yes, yeah, yeah, I
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  Speaker 4: got the guy for you, buddy. Have I got a guest?
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  Speaker 4: Do you want to put Mark Davis. The two hours
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  Speaker 4: sounds pretty good. I'm having a great time of my life. No,
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  Speaker 4: I told you, And honestly, he said, the goal of
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  Speaker 4: the pot cast is to loosen you up over the
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  Speaker 4: over the time of the podcast by drinking whiskey while
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  Speaker 4: you're telling me about your favorite whiskeys. And I thought,
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  Speaker 4: and I wrote him back. I said, well, look, let
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  Speaker 4: don't have any right unless we could do a taste
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  Speaker 4: test between diet pepsi and diet coke. I'm in trouble.
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  Speaker 4: I can't do this, so I said, And I was
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  Speaker 4: trying to be diplomatic. The guy was an important guy,
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  Speaker 4: and I said, you know, frankly, I don't drink and
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  Speaker 4: I don't. Never heard from him again. That was no more.
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  Speaker 2: You know what this sounds like, and I don't. Are
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  Speaker 2: you Are you a consumer of club random with Bill Maher?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, but which is great? They pot right. Well,
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  Speaker 2: if you don't smoke a joint, you're gone. And I'm
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  Speaker 2: totally kidding about that too. He's very magnanimous. You can
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  Speaker 2: do it. But they're drinking, they're smoking, and it's funny usually,
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  Speaker 2: and I guess Bill Maher's been at this for enough
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  Speaker 2: decades that he's able to still remain coherent. He says,
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  Speaker 2: I never ever twist up before real time on HBO.
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  Speaker 2: But here in the more relaxed atmosphere of the podcast,
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  Speaker 2: something you and I now know something about. I may
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  Speaker 2: knock down a dube every once in a while. So
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  Speaker 2: his guest a few weeks ago, I don't know was
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  Speaker 2: Woody Harrelson. Don't get ahead of me, well precisely. And
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  Speaker 2: but they have a pot store together. They're in business
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  Speaker 2: together with a pot store.
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  Speaker 4: Oh you're kidding me. They own they co own a
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  Speaker 4: pot a marijuana store, a dispensary.
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  Speaker 2: Which so yes, So ten minutes in, Mike and everybody listen.
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  Speaker 2: We'll send people to other podcasts all the time. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: maybe they'll send people to us club random Bill Maher,
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  Speaker 2: Woody Harrelson. Ten to fifteen minutes in, they are just
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  Speaker 2: laughing like idiots, stumbling over each other.
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  Speaker 3: It's it was. It was.
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  Speaker 2: It was not good, except it kind of was so
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  Speaker 2: you just it was it was crazy.
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  Speaker 4: So incidentally, can I can I say something quick about
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  Speaker 4: Bill Maher? I have got a confession to make. I
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  Speaker 4: shouldn't love the guy. I know that he despises people
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  Speaker 4: or not people, but he doesn't recognized organized religion. He's
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  Speaker 4: very anti organized religion. I remember many years ago I
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  Speaker 4: used to despise what he said about the the nine
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  Speaker 4: to eleven and the hijackers and how and kind of
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  Speaker 4: made American soldiers out to be cowards because or the
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  Speaker 4: American military because we lob bombs by missiles and all that.
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  Speaker 4: And he lost his job on ABC because of that.
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  Speaker 3: Politically incorrect, that's right show called politically incorrect.
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  Speaker 4: He was fired for being politically incorrect, right. But now
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  Speaker 4: fast forward to twenty twenty six, Mark, I'm telling you,
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  Speaker 4: I love what this guy says.
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  Speaker 2: Every test compliment I can give because there are people
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  Speaker 2: I like people Admira, and not that I need to
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  Speaker 2: go shoehorn myself onto that podcast. I'd probably stay clean
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  Speaker 2: for that one. I'd love to hang out with him
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  Speaker 2: for a couple hours because he is number one the
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  Speaker 2: old school liberal we talk about a lot, is left
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  Speaker 2: of center but not crazy. He is trump appreciative for Iran,
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  Speaker 2: for being up against jihadism, being anti woke, et cetera,
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  Speaker 2: et cetera. Even on issues of religion and politics and everything.
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  Speaker 2: He's completely tolerant of an opposing view and enjoys talking
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  Speaker 2: about those opposing views. He is everything we say we
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  Speaker 2: want from our supposed political opponents.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a big, big fan of his.
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  Speaker 4: I he checks every one of those boxes. And when
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  Speaker 4: I hear his monologues or when I hear the way
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  Speaker 4: he presents an issue. Now, look, we don't agree with
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  Speaker 4: him on everything. Obviously, there's he's got deep criticisms of
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  Speaker 4: President Trump, and I kind of hate I loved it
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  Speaker 4: when he had when he was invited to the White House,
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  Speaker 4: did he have dinner with the President and walked away
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  Speaker 4: kind of impressed? And he said, so, he said, because
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  Speaker 4: we've experienced that. I've got to experience that in being
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  Speaker 4: with President Trump one on one. He is a dynamite
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  Speaker 4: personality to hang out with. He's very engaging, he's funny,
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  Speaker 4: he's he's warm, he's inquisitive. He's everything you don't think
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  Speaker 4: he is from seeing him, you know, make fun of
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  Speaker 4: Rosie O'Donnell or whatever. There's there's something very special about
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  Speaker 4: And Bill Maher said that. But then and then they
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  Speaker 4: kind of I thought they kind of were getting along
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  Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden, now they're back of
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  Speaker 4: each other's throats again.
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  Speaker 3: Will you know whose fault that is, and let's stipulate
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  Speaker 3: that we love him.
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  Speaker 4: It's Trump.
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  Speaker 2: He said, yeah, Bill Maher was over. He was kind
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  Speaker 2: of crazy. He immediately wanted to drink. He had to
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  Speaker 2: have a drink, like right off the bat. He was
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  Speaker 2: nervous around me.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, and.
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  Speaker 2: It's almost like people got a hold of Trump and said,
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  Speaker 2: you're being way too nice to Bill Maher.
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  Speaker 3: You need you need to get caddy about him again.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe so, I guess. I mean, look, this is that
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  Speaker 4: gene that we think, or that that compassion gene that
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  Speaker 4: President Trump lacks, whether he's mocking Rob Reiner days after
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  Speaker 4: he was murdered, or or saying I'm glad Robert Mueller
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  Speaker 4: is dead, my lord. I mean, but that's just him
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  Speaker 4: at CZ. He's got this abrasive, sort of sharp elbowed
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  Speaker 4: approached to his critics. Now, look, if you if you're
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  Speaker 4: supporting a supporter of his. He I remember the first
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  Speaker 4: time I went to the White House and he was
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  Speaker 4: I was in a small group and he looked over
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  Speaker 4: at me and he kind of winked and smiled and
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  Speaker 4: gave me a thumbs up. And then one of the
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  Speaker 4: ages came over afterwards and said, President Trump loves how
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  Speaker 4: you defend him on Fox News, and he's seen you
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  Speaker 4: on TV and radio. If you're with him, he's with you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you're not going to pack your bag.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, Okay, Ran Paul's drunk son, because you had some
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  Speaker 2: very deep and important things to say about that, and
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  Speaker 2: you touched on a minute ago, and I want to
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  Speaker 2: go a little bit deeper.
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  Speaker 3: So he's in a bar.
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  Speaker 2: He goes up to Congressman Mike Lawler because you Jews,
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  Speaker 2: and he said, I'm not Jewish.
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  Speaker 3: Oops.
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  Speaker 2: So, and you properly described the grace we should show
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  Speaker 2: and the strong moral and psychological rationale that you have
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  Speaker 2: for being so open to anybody who says I have
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  Speaker 2: a drinking problem.
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  Speaker 3: I am too.
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  Speaker 2: There is a cynicism in me born of seeing way
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  Speaker 2: too many liars and way too many weasels that knows
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  Speaker 2: and recognizes that of a hundred peoples who have done
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  Speaker 2: something terrible while drunk, if a whole hundred of them say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this is horrible, I'm so sorry, I'm going to go
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  Speaker 2: get help from my drinking problem, some percentage of them
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  Speaker 2: are totally lying. Well, the problem they have is this
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  Speaker 2: particular case. Maybe young mister Paul has a Jew hating problem,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't really have a drinking problem except that night, and
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  Speaker 2: what it did is reveal his deep seated anti Semitism.
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  Speaker 2: And this was nothing but a gutlass cya. Well, I
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  Speaker 2: consider that I would never say that I don't know it,
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  Speaker 2: but I can't dismiss the possibility.
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  Speaker 3: I get it.
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: I mean to me, it strikes to the core of
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: the issue of the power of an apology and the
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: nature of an apology. We often wonder when somebody apologizes,
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: are you apologizing because you got caught or are you
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: apologizing because you're truly sorry. I'll never forget the apology
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: that I had to issue, and I wanted to issue
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: over something that was deeply personal to me because my
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: big mouth got me in trouble. Years ago. I used
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: to do a weekly hit on my radio show with
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: Chris Wallace from Fox News, and by the way, thank
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: the Lord, that was before the Trump era, because you know,
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: Chris went all anti Trump, and it would have been
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: that would have been brutal to have him on the
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: show every Friday. But but honestly not unlike the dynamic
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: you and I have together with being on your show
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: every day at seven thirty five and now doing the
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: M and M Extra podcast. Chris and I had the
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: same kind of chemistry and we had fun together, and
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: it was a side of Chris Wallace that people didn't
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: usually see. He kind of let his hair down and
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: he would and he would poke fun at me, and
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: he always made fun of my weight. He always teased
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: me about being being being heavy. In fact, he joked
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: about he saw somewhere that I was on the Talker's
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: magazine heavy hundred lists. He said, see, I'll bet you were.
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: I bet you were on the heavy Oh yeah, that's
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: the what he did to me all the time. So
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: one day, and that was the day. One day we
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: were talking about that and that came up the heavy
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: hundred list. And I don't know why the heck I
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: thought to say this, and I'll regret it to my
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: dying day, but I said, well, speaking of heavy, did
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: you see Kelly clarkson last night on TV? And she
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: had some big TV appearance on she'd come back after
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: having a baby or whatever, and she was on I
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: think American Idol or whatever show she was on, and
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: she was very heavy. She was huge. I mean, she
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: put on a ton of weight. Because and of course
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: you had a baby, you know, and women have weight
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: issues and everything like a dummy. So and he made
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: a crack about I had said earlier that I had
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: ordered a Domino's pizza the night before. I said, but
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: the good news is, yes, I did eat the whole pizza,
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: but I ordered a thin crust, so it wasn't so
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: fattening for me. Well, he said, when I said, did
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: you see Kelly Clarkson, Then he made the comment, yeah,
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: maybe she should have stuck to the thin crust instead
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: of the thick crust. Well, Joe Kunch, Well, I'll never
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: forgive this guy. Joe Kanya used to write for Mediaite.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: Joe Kancha is one of these guys, and I'm sure
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: he's a nice man, but he's everywhere. He's on Fox
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: News and Sean Hannit. He's always trying to prop him up.
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: You need to have your own show, and like give
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: him his own show for crying out loud. He's on
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: the weekend show and he wrote for Media and then
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: he writes over for the New York Post. He's one
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: of those guys that bounces around and God bless him,
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: but you know he's ubiquitous. Well, he was writing for
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: Mediaite and he must have been listening that day, and
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: he writes a column, how Mike Gallagher and Chris Wallace
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: fat shamed Kelly Clarkson on Mike Gallagher's show, We fat
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: us two guys that and he really was critical of
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: both of us, which is so ironic considering, you know,
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: there's supposed to be this you know, conservative, you know,
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: common sense guy and called us out and said we
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: were fat shamers. Well, his column at Mediaite went thoroughly
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: through the roof viral. Before you know it, I'm getting
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: calls from People, Magazine, TMZ, Perez Hilton, everybody is covering
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: the way I fat shamed along with Chris Wallace Kelly Clarkson. Now,
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: the reason it devastated me is because I knew, considering
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: the mountain of coverage it got, that it was going
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: to get back to her, and the thought that my
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: words could hurt this beautiful, extraordinarily talented young woman.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Big person, salt of the earth person.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: It just gutted me. And it just killed me because
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: and I really I was on the couch just the
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: whole weekend. I'll never forget. It was a Friday that
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: this all hit the fan, and I called and it
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: turned a little behind the curtain stuff here. Chris and
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: I at the time shared the same agent, and I
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: called our mutual agent and said, I got to apologize.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: I said this, and Chris didn't want to apologize. He said, Mike,
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: if you apologize, it'll open the floodgates. And I said,
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: I don't think it opens the floodgates. I think it
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: acknowledges that we shouldn't have said what we said, and
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: you could debate and you and you could debate the
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: merits of what we said. I mean, all I literally
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: said was wow, she got big. That was literally my quote,
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: and his quote was, well, maybe she should have gotten
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: the thin crust or whatever that was it. We didn't
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: like call her fatty or go into this.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Whole thing ten minutes on it.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: No, it was a throwaway, and that stupid Joe Kansha
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: decided to write a column out of it, and and
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: so I said I got to apologize, and there was
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: a lot of pushback. Finally I said, sorry, I'm doing it,
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: and I took I got out my laptop and I
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: wrote an apology that again wasn't because I got caught.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: It was because it got back to her and I
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: knew it, and I just hated the thought that any
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: of my words could have hurt her. Now people told us, look,
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: she's gotten way worse criticism, and she laughed it off,
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: and she's had a very successful career and she's done
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: just fine. And she took the way off after the
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: baby and all that. But the point of that is,
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: here was the lesson I learned. I was getting hate
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: mail from Switzerland. I mean, I was getting bombarded. Oh, Mark,
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: you should have seen it. It was awful. I mean,
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: I couldn't believe. I've never been in that kind I've
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: never had that kind of literally worldwide scrutiny in my life.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: And I exactly was this. How many years ago I've
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: blocked it out.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: I don't know how many.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: It's a good bit.
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: He's over a decade. I mean, maybe fifteen years ago.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: I don't remember when it was, but I will tell
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: you that I put a statement together, I wrote it,
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: and they were mad at me and all. And by
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: the way, Chris wound up apologizing too, I think, much
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: to his chagrin. And ps weeks or months after that,
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: they pulled the plug on the Chris and Mike's segment.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: Never again was Chris going to come on my show?
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: Do you think that was why it was? Because of that?
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: Of course it was. And it was actually stated to
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: me that that the executives at Fox thought that I
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: got him in trouble and they didn't want to put
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: him on my show anymore. And I didn't get him
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: in trouble. But anyway, but here's point. I wrote this
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: statement out look, and I even said, for a fatty
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: like me, or for a tubby guy like me, to
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: cast any aspersions on any man, woman, or child's physical
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: appearance is ridiculous. I am so ashamed. I'm so sorry.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: I didn't do one of those qualified apologies, like if
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: you were offended, I said, I am sorry, I am sharply. Well,
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: you know what happened. You know what happened. All the
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: criticism I was getting it stopped in there immediately. It
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: was like a spigot got turned off. It's like people
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: were like, oh, wow, okay, the guy apologized and he
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: owned it, and it was the right thing to do.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: And the and incidentally, the consequence was that it didn't
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: not contrary to Chris's worries, it didn't open the floodgates.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: It closed the floodgates. It stopped it. So there is
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: a lesson there.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is simply super okay. Drinking Friday continues Chapter
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: three survey, which suddenly became eating Friday. It's all it's
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: consumption Friday. So here is the survey. Dennis Prager, our
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: God bless our friend Dennis Prayer, you know what, who
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: is able to talk and does posts on his Facebook.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: And people thought he was either going to die or
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: never talk again.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: And he is, by the way, and by the way,
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: feel the benefit of Still, of course, for people who
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: don't know, let me just quickly interject people are not
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: quite aware necessarily if his condition. But Dennis, of course
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: suffered a fall in his home in California in November
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: of twenty twenty five, four twenty five, no five, oh yeah,
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: yeah yeah yeah almost here, yeah, almost a year. Well,
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: and is now I think it's public. He's he's a quadriplegic.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: So I think that's the right terms that he's paralyzed
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: from the I think the chest down. And but like
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: you're back to I didn't want to rip you, but
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: back to you. He's still he's writing, he's talking, he's
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: he's living life still, so go ahead.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: And it's it is so great and so inspiring.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: And it's not the kind of thing where you have
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: like stamina for three hour talk show, but you can
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: sure do some Facebook and you can sure do some segments,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: and God blessed Ennis. He wrote, I didn't get an
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: entire book called Think a Second Time. The premise was,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: if something just occurs to you in a reaction, okay,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: give it a minute, let it marin it, and then
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: put it under the microscope a little further. So here's
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: an exercise in that survey was, hey, you're eighteen, have
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: you ever had me alcohol fifty years ago?
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: Ninety two percent said yeah.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: I'll be said hell yeah now less than fifty percent.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: So the first blush thought, it is what everybody had
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: on social media is look great, less drinking among the kids,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: less drinking among the kids, that's good. I had two
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: contrarian thoughts about that. Number One, they're probably too stoned
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: to find the liquor store. And I don't mean to
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: be too glib about that. So it's not that they
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: are free of intoxicas, it's just that they're finding different ones.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: But here was the other one.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: And in view of what you've just shared about the
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: personal choices that you've made, I am particularly interested in
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: your thought about this. People said, Okay, so the reason
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: the kids are not drinking so much anymore is because
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: they've traded one unhealthy thing for another. That what kids
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: used to do is they used to leave the house.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: They used to interact with friends, They used to have hobbies,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: they used to drive, They used to have social moments
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: that enable them to rise and fall, and date and
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: be accepted and rejected, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: And it made them strong, and it made them mature,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: and it was, on balance a good thing. Today's kids,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: you may have, more than half of them, have never
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: touched a drop of alcohol. They've also never seen an
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: ounce of sunlight. They've never left the sickly glow of screens.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: So I literally asked folks on the show this week,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: what would you rather have? Would you rather have a
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: mentally healthy, functional, socially mature interacting with a kid who
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: might have had a couple of beers in their senior year,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: or a teetotaling kid who can't even achieve eye contact
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: because all you do is is spend time in a
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: twitch stream.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: I don't buy that. I'm no, that's it's not a
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: binary choice. Why is it binary? It doesn't have to
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: be binary. I my my, My answer would be, I
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: think today's young generation is healthier than they than they
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: used to be. I think kids are mindful about the
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: effects of alcohol, cigarettes. I think kids are kids love
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: at the gym. Teenagers, you know, are going five days
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: a week to the gym. They're doing you know, they're
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: doing all kinds of protein shakes, and they're they're just
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: living a healthier lifestyle physically than kids fifty years ago.
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: It's a whole different ballgame now. Now kids are very
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: self conscious about their you know, you know, their their
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: their diet and their their exercise regimen and all of that.
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: So that's probably.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, it's a pause, yes, But I mean maybe they're
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: eating kale, you know, instead of the doritos that were
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: a staple for me. Uh But I and again, we're
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: we're just neck deep and stereotype and every generation is
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: a panalply of all kinds of different shapes and sizes,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: and what you've described absolutely exists. You really think physically healthier.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: I just think of them wasting away in the sickly
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: glow of of of minecraft, and they're not getting out,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: and they're not exercising, and they're not you know, and
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: and that's and physical health is one thing. Emotionally healthy, hell,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: no generation ripple. But anyway, but that that's gone.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: No, No, but you're yeah, and you are so right
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: about about the obsession, the social media poison and the
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: and and the all of that crap. I mean, there's
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: there's no doubt about that. No, But I again, and look,
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: you're probably closer to a younger age group than I am,
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: with your kids and and your family and all that.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: You know, my kids are all grown and gone, and
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: I don't. I don't have a lot of interaction with
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: with with younger kids now anymore. So I maybe I'm
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: out of touch, but just based on what I and
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: the way I engage with you know, material that talks
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: about what kids are doing, I think they're just healthier
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: than they used to be. But look, that could be
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: dead wrong. I don't know.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Maybe you've also but you also made a superb point,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: and that is I'm sitting there saying, which would you
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: rather have? Either this over here where the kid might
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: have had a beer, but he's really really socially healthy,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: or this kid that does nothing but play Minecraft. In
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: the middle there is dare we dream the possibility of
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: a kid who is socially active, functional in three dimensions,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: and who also chooses not to drink so.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: And also a kid who and a kid who's spiritual.
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: You know, this is why the death of Charlie Kirk,
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: the assassination of Charlie, was so profoundly destructive for our
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: country because I think Charlie, I know, he was bringing
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: a whole lot of young people to God. He was
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: bringing a whole lot of people to the Lord. One
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: of the things that Charlie when you look back at
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: his life and his legacy, all the appearances I did
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: with him over the years, and the time I spend,
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: and the things I watched him do on social media
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: or on the internet, he never appeared publicly without professing
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: his love for Jesus Christ, our Savior. He never did
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: an appearance without citing the Bible. I mean that kid
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: could cite Scripture better than any Baptist preacher on a
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: Sunday morning. He knew how to do it. He knew
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: his Bible. He was so such a strong young man
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: of faith that he and Erica literally observed the Sabbath
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: in this way. They they on Saturdays. They when when
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: Jews would observe the Sabbath, he turned the phone off.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: It went, it was it was powered down, no interaction,
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: no electronic communication for the entire literal definition of the Sabbath.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: That's how strong his faith was, and he just in
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: losing him. I fear we've lost a lot of young
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: people to the clutches of progressivism, where an other if
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: they would have just been able to continued to gosh,
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: it still breaks my heart. I can't I still can't
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: believe he's gone.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: And I'm still gonna I'm still gonna stick with and
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: we're coming out. It's kind of funny. We're coming up
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: on the twenty fifth anniversary of nine to eleven, but
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: the day before that will be the first anniversary of
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: the loss of Charlie Kirk. And I will still believe
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: that this doesn't have to be binary either either or.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: But I believe that the message of Jesus that Charlie
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: brought might have terrified more people than the conservatism he brought.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: There are a lot of people bring conservatism. He was one
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: of the most effective purveyors of the gospel, and that
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: it riled up the devil in a lot of people.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: In remaining minutes, it's kind of an in the greatest compliment.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: I got nothing on the clock. I have no idea
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: there's a show I'm watching there there. We have a
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: lot of common themes so far in these opening days,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: opening weeks of eminem ex Ra. There's some things that
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: we tend to pop back onto. And there is a
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: show that I've Lisa and I just loved and on
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: two successive episodes there were two things that have been
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: a huge deal for you and me. One of them
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: is Ai. The show is As with the wonderful Jean
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Smart and Hannah Einbinder, who is Lorraine Newman's daughter, remember
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: from SNL for Maverage last Outcast, and she is an
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: aging comedian and and but still trying to stay relevant.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: She's enormously rich and lives in Vegas, but her struggles
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: to remain relevant in the business.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: It's it's just it's called HACKS.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: I think it's HBO anyway, Uh this year, I guess
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: we're in whatever season we're in.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: They uh.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Deborah receives a Jeene Spart receives an overture from a
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: tech billionaire to to do she she's been banned from
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: performing for something she refused for she took a stance
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: on her number one ranked late night talk show, stuck
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: up for somebody got fired, blah blah blah. So she
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: can't make any income, so here was a chance for
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: her to make some money by being a part of
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: a comedy AI, a thing called I think they called
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: it quick Scribble. Whereas like Debra, we want to take
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: your sense of humor and kind of download every bit
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: you've ever done, every routine you've ever done, and load
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: it into the AI and then make it available to
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: people who want to be a little bit funnier in
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: their wedding toast, a little bit more clever in their
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: speaking engagement that they're doing at the local Kawanas club.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Follow me so far and she and she thought, wow, okay,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: all right, this is kind of cool. And I'm watching
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: this and I'm thinking is there a downside to this?
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: And ava writer friend Hannah Einbinder revolted against this and said,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: this is not good. This is absolutely not good, because,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: first of all, It leaves your world, it leaves your control.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: You never know, are we going to make somebody funny
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: at the Skinheads convention or something like that. And then
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: so there's level number one of relevance of what we
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: were talking about. Level number two is he finally he
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: told her she was about to make the deal with him,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: and he said, Debora, you're just going to love this,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: and you're really gonna love it when you use it
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: for your own material. And she said, I'm never gonna
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: do that. I'm I'm a I'm a performer, I'm a writer,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: I'm a creator. Set You're totally gonna do it. Everybody
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: is you say you won't, but you totally will. And
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: she said, no, you don't understand. But for comedy, for art,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: for anything, it's something that can do something, even if
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: it's admittedly does it well. It removes the experience of
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: trying and failing and learning and failing again and learning
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: and trying and failing and learning.
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: And it's also not her exactly right.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: So she ultimately tears up the entire deal. And I
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: thought it was a magnificent lesson in the whole AI thing.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: The other part I can tell in thirty seconds in
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: the episode before that, Ava gets hit by a driverless cab.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: I love.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: She's walking along, She's on her phone acrossing a street
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: in Vegas and a white car hits her and she goes.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: She gets ready to give the driver the old what
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: for driverless driving list? That's funny, It totally is.
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  Speaker 4: It goes well.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: First of all, let me officially thank you for ruining
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: one of my favorite series hacks, because I haven't gotten
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: up to those episodes yet, so you just blew it
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  Speaker 4: for me.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: It's a spoiler alert.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: And let me do a preview of tonight Dutton Ranch apparently.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: Oh and that's going to be Beth Dutton. Everybody needs
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: Beth Dutton in their life. I love her. Rip and
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: Beth are back and Daily Polu and Kelly Riley that
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: means and that miserable publication Daily Beast even loves it.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: So that's that's saying something they say.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: You know, you know who else is in that thing,
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Ed Harris and Annette Benning.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: I know. Yeah.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Wait, and this is what Taylor Sheridan universe, which is Yellowstone.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: There you go, the Great of Tulsa King, the eighteen
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: eighty three the nineteen twenty three. Just everything this guy does, so.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: That that's what I'll be doing this weekend. I'll be
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: watching Hacks and I'll be I'll be cursing your name
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: because I'll see in the episode you told me about.
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: I'll be watching Ranch, and I'll getting ready for our
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: Monday Eminem podcast. Eminem, have a great weekend, my friend.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: Take care everybody, See you soon.