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Confronting 'That Girl' · Outspoken the Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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Speaker 1: Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, Bachelor golden
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Speaker 1: couple Georgia Love and Lee Elliott confirm their marriage is over.
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Speaker 1: Tommy Fury lands his own documentary. Georgie Stevenson is forced
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Speaker 1: to defend her conception timeline and Kourtney Kardashian hits back
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Speaker 1: at rumors she's a grandma.
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Speaker 2: But first, OG influencer.
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Speaker 1: Gretty Rose has thrown serious shade at her former bestie,
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Speaker 1: Ashy Bynes, and reignited interest in their historic friendship breakdown. Now, Sophie,
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Speaker 1: every week there seems to be an old friend taking
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Speaker 1: aim at Ashy. Yeah, it hasn't been a great start
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Speaker 1: to the year for her. She had that very public
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Speaker 1: falling out with her former podcast host, Kiara Durrow. And
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Speaker 1: following that bust up, Kiara caught up for drinks with
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Speaker 1: some of Ashy's former friends, which included Sammy Leo, Gretty Rose,
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Speaker 1: and Nat Rowland. to all swap stories about their experiences
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Speaker 1: with Ashy. And they, of course, splashed that catch up all.
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Speaker 2: Over social media to get their followers talking.
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Speaker 1: Well, there have been rumors of a rift between Ashy
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Speaker 1: and Gretty since 2022. Yeah, that's right. They used to
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Speaker 1: be permanent fixtures on each other's social channels. They even
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Speaker 1: appeared in best friend tag videos on YouTube. And they
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Speaker 1: tried to dress up like twins at one point because
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Speaker 1: everyone pointed out that they looked very similar. You know,
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Speaker 1: the friendship's gone to the next level when you're dressing
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Speaker 1: the same. They also seem to support each other a
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Speaker 1: lot in business. So they seem to collaborate on their
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Speaker 1: clothing brands together. But then suddenly in 2022, things went
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Speaker 1: really quiet between them and they stopped appearing in each
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Speaker 1: other's content. And then the dirty unfollow happened, which is
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Speaker 1: always a sign that something's gone on behind the scenes. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: the unfollow is a big thing, especially in the social
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Speaker 1: media world. That is friendship over. Well, it's almost like
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Speaker 1: putting out a PR statement saying, look, I want everyone
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Speaker 1: to know that we're not friends anymore.
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Speaker 2: I'm doing this very publicly.
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Speaker 1: Soft launching the friendship breakdown. Yeah, and- This was really
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Speaker 1: huge because Greti and Ashi had been friends for well
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Speaker 1: over seven years. They even lived together before Ashi got married.
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Speaker 1: And Greti had really built her following through Ashi's channels because,
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Speaker 1: as I said, she was a permanent fixture on her
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Speaker 1: YouTube channel. She was also a guest fitness instructor on
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Speaker 1: Ashi's booty tour. So she really did grow her profile
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Speaker 1: through befriending Ashy. And no one really knows what caused
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Speaker 1: this rift because both women haven't publicly spoken about it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, there is a lot of speculation that the
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Speaker 1: falling out was perhaps over business. It was around the
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Speaker 1: same time that a rift started developing between Ashy and
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Speaker 1: her other bestie, Sammy Leo. So they appeared to fall
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Speaker 1: out over a business decision because Ashy's brand Hideaway released
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Speaker 1: a lip balm, which Sammy deemed to be very similar
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Speaker 1: to her lip balm brand, which is called Breeze Balm.
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Speaker 1: Doesn't that just sound like an influencer problem? Like my
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Speaker 1: lip balm is so similar to yours. Well, Sammy ended
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Speaker 1: up sharing a meme which said, you know you're winning
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Speaker 1: when you're being copied. And that was after Ashley released
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Speaker 1: her hideaway lip balm.
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Speaker 2: So it was all very controversial at the time.
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Speaker 1: I think one of our most asked questions on Instagram was,
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Speaker 1: is what happened between Ashy and Sammy Leo. Everyone wants
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Speaker 1: us to do a deep dive. Maybe we'll have to
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Speaker 1: do one. Well, we might have to get in contact
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Speaker 1: with Sammy Leo and Ashy to actually find out what's
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Speaker 1: gone down because it seems all very secretive. Yeah. Well,
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Speaker 1: it really seems that this catch up between all of
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Speaker 1: Ashy's former friends has spurred the women on to take
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Speaker 1: further potshots at Ashy. So on Sunday, Greti took part
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Speaker 1: in a viral TikTok trend, which is all about confronting
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Speaker 1: that one girl. So in the video, she mimed to
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Speaker 1: Kendrick Lamar's diss track, Not Like Us, which is rumored
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Speaker 1: to be written about Drake.
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Speaker 2: God, he keeps popping up on the show, doesn't he?
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Speaker 2: And in the caption, it.
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Speaker 1: Said, I want to confront that one girl, but you know,
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Speaker 1: they will never admit they're wrong. Yeah, that girl. It
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Speaker 1: was very clear off the bat who Greti was referring to.
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Speaker 1: I mean, she only has 11,000 followers on TikTok. This
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Speaker 1: video garnered over 250,000 views because everyone was sending it on.
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Speaker 1: Her comment section lit up with people commenting that it
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Speaker 1: must be Ashi, and also her followers praising Greti and
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Speaker 1: the other women for taking a step away from Ashi.
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Speaker 1: Greti went as far as tagging Sammy Leo in the
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Speaker 1: comment section just to make sure she didn't miss out
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Speaker 1: on the drama, whilst Kiara Darrow, Ashi's former podcast host,
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Speaker 1: commented with three clapping hands. What a burn. This also
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Speaker 1: seemed to spur Kiara on to create her own video,
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Speaker 1: so she also mimed to the diss track whilst drinking
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Speaker 1: a glass of red wine and wrote the caption, cheers
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Speaker 1: to that. This actually led to one of Ashi's friends, Meg,
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Speaker 1: hitting out in the comment section. So she wrote to Kiara,
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Speaker 1: it's so gross to see a video designed to stir
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Speaker 1: up hate.
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Speaker 2: Social media has enough negativity. Why add to it?
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Speaker 1: If your content relies on toxic comments for engagement, maybe.
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Speaker 2: It's time for a new approach.
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Speaker 1: Kiara replied saying, feel free in a couple of years
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Speaker 1: to reach back out when you're in the same boat,
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Speaker 1: but I wish.
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Speaker 2: You the best.
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Speaker 1: Now, both women have turned off the comments on their videos.
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Speaker 1: I'm assuming for legal reasons, I would actually pay so
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Speaker 1: much money to be a fly on the wall of
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Speaker 1: a meeting between Ashi and her lawyer trying to explain
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Speaker 1: this trend. I think the trend seemed to backfire a
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Speaker 1: bit on Gretty and Kiara because there was a very
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Speaker 1: mixed reaction. Some followers love to be in on the
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Speaker 1: drama and the tea and they were Desperate for the
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Speaker 1: women to go into more details.
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Speaker 2: About their bust up with Ashi.
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Speaker 1: Whilst a lot of members in our Facebook community seem
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Speaker 1: to share the same sentiment that the women should move on.
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Speaker 1: One listener wrote, there's nothing to talk about or any
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Speaker 1: tea if they're not sharing more information. We've all seen
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Speaker 1: Ashi's true colors. It's kind of boring now. Whilst another said, sorry,
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Speaker 1: but it's childish. They are grown women. What a waste
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Speaker 1: of time and negative energy. I kind of get where
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Speaker 1: they're coming from because Even though these women might be
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Speaker 1: in the right sharing this type of content, it can
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Speaker 1: get to the point where it seems as if maybe
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Speaker 1: they're ganging up on her.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like a bit of a pile on.
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Speaker 1: In this case, I do see Ashi as being the
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Speaker 1: Goliath and the others as being the David in the
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Speaker 1: situation because, I mean, Ashi is the one with the
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Speaker 1: bigger profile, probably more money, more power in that situation.
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Speaker 1: So I feel like they think it's okay because they
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Speaker 1: feel like they're coming against someone who's bigger than them.
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Speaker 1: I find it interesting as well that the commentary is
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Speaker 1: basically saying tell us what's happened or we're not going
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Speaker 1: to be interested in support your comment. I also think
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Speaker 1: that there's a bit more sympathy going Ashi's way because
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Speaker 1: she's had a really tough time with her health over
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Speaker 1: the past year or so. She's been diagnosed with two
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Speaker 1: brain aneurysms. She's had to go through two separate surgeries.
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Speaker 1: So I think people are just thinking like, let's just
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Speaker 1: move on and get over it. We spoke last week
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Speaker 1: about the Michaela Testa drama and how a lot of
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Speaker 1: the back and forth between her and her former friend
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Speaker 1: had just muddied the water. That's what I see with
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Speaker 1: these kind of TikToks because You're not really making any
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Speaker 1: claims against her. You're sort of just stirring the pot.
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Speaker 1: It's a dog whistle, isn't it? They're trying to get
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Speaker 1: Ashley to react to it. I mean, I enjoy the
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Speaker 1: gossip and the tea, but I can see why other
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Speaker 1: people are saying, look, just move on. That's the moment
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Speaker 1: I met my husband. After months of speculation, Bachelor Golden
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Speaker 1: couple Georgia Love and Leigh Elliott have confirmed their marriage
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Speaker 1: is over. The couple, who were together for nine years,
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Speaker 1: shared identical statements on Instagram and emphasizing there was no
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Speaker 1: drama or bad blood between them. Now, so this news
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Speaker 1: didn't come as a shock to the public. No, there
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Speaker 1: have been persistent rumors for months now that their relationship
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Speaker 1: was on the rocks because Georgia and Lee hadn't been
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Speaker 1: seen in public or posted together for over four months
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Speaker 1: on socials. Another massive giveaway was that they had both
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Speaker 1: stopped wearing their wedding bands and they also didn't.
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Speaker 2: Spend Christmas together.
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Speaker 1: Now, rumors really intensified in the new year when Georgia
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Speaker 1: embarked on a solo trip to New York And she
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Speaker 1: was inundated with fans asking her where her husband Lee was. Now,
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Speaker 1: at the time, she shut down the rumors saying she
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Speaker 1: was incredibly tired of the questions and that he's simply
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Speaker 1: at home while she's there visiting a friend. She went
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Speaker 1: as far as saying, we didn't split, actually. Best to
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Speaker 1: stop speculating, least of all on my own page. If
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Speaker 1: I had anything to tell you, I would do so myself. Well,
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Speaker 1: it's quite clear that they've been trialing a separation before
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Speaker 1: making it official and And this is a massive decision
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Speaker 1: for anybody, let alone when you've met on The Bachelor
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Speaker 1: and everybody is so invested in your relationship. And we've
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Speaker 1: got to remember, they were going out for nine years.
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Speaker 1: They've been married for four. This is a really sad story. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it would be so tough navigating it all in the
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Speaker 1: public eye because once the genie is out of the bottle,
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Speaker 1: it's very hard to put it back in. So ultimately,
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Speaker 1: I think that they wanted to give their relationship the
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Speaker 1: space and the time and to make sure maybe to
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Speaker 1: see if spending time apart was the right decision for them? Well,
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Speaker 1: on Friday night, they pulled the pin, as you said,
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Speaker 1: and they announced their split with identical statements on their
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Speaker 1: Instagram stories. So George's statement read, after nine wonderful years together,
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Speaker 1: including four as husband and wife, Lee and I have
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Speaker 1: made the incredibly difficult decision to lovingly part ways. Our
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Speaker 1: relationship has been so special and we will always cherish
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Speaker 1: the memories, love and laughter we've shared. There is no drama,
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Speaker 1: no bad blood. Just two people who have grown in
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Speaker 1: different directions while still holding deep respect and care for
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Speaker 1: each other. We remain friends and thank you for giving
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Speaker 1: us privacy as we navigate the next stage. Although I
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Speaker 1: knew this was coming, I couldn't help but feel so sad.
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Speaker 1: They were one of The Bachelor's biggest success stories and
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Speaker 1: they seemed like a really genuine couple. They seemed to
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Speaker 1: complement each other really well. And for me, it feels
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Speaker 1: like their wedding was only yesterday because I remember they
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Speaker 1: were supposed to have this European destination wedding, but it
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Speaker 1: got cancelled due to COVID. So they had a beautiful
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Speaker 1: wedding in Hobart where Georgia used to work as a journo. Well,
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Speaker 1: their wedding anniversary is actually coming up. So it's on Wednesday.
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Speaker 1: So I suspect this is why they've made this announcement
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Speaker 1: because there would have been a lot of speculation about, well,
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Speaker 1: why haven't they posted something about their anniversary? I did
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Speaker 1: find the wording of the statement very interesting. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's clear that they've spent a lot of time agonising
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Speaker 1: about over getting the wording perfect and making sure it's
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Speaker 1: clear to the public that this is simply a case
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Speaker 1: of them growing apart and there's no other parties involved.
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Speaker 1: But I thought it was weird how they said that
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Speaker 1: they lovingly are parting ways. Because if you end your relationship,
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Speaker 1: it's generally because you've fallen out of love with someone.
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Speaker 2: I feel like they were trying to put a bit
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Speaker 2: too much mayo and sell it too much.
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Speaker 1: I think that's a lot of people to believe that
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Speaker 1: maybe one of them wanted children and the other one didn't,
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Speaker 1: and they might still have been in love, but some
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Speaker 1: people just can't get past if one wants them and
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Speaker 1: the other one doesn't. I mean, I'd hate to speculate
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Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, I saw that commentary and it made
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Speaker 1: me feel really uncomfortable because that might not be the
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Speaker 1: case at all. But I think When a couple like
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Speaker 1: that breaks up and, you know, they've made it clear
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Speaker 1: that they're still very much friends and love and respect
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Speaker 1: each other, I think people do jump to that conclusion.
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Speaker 1: For me, I thought it maybe came down to the
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Speaker 1: fact that they do live very different lives in the
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Speaker 1: sense of, you know, for Georgia, she works in breakfast
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Speaker 1: radio and she's a newsreader on there. She would be
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Speaker 1: getting up so early in the morning. It's a very
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Speaker 1: demanding job. I know when I worked in breakfast radio
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Speaker 1: just for a few months, I was an awful person
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Speaker 1: to be around because I was so sleep-deprived. If you're
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Speaker 1: getting up at 3am every morning, how are you then
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Speaker 1: having the quality time to spend with your partner? Well,
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Speaker 1: it can put a lot of pressure on your relationship. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: because Lee, he runs a large scale plumbing company. So
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Speaker 1: he's obviously very busy with his work as well. So
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Speaker 1: maybe they have grown apart. I thought it was clever
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Speaker 1: for them to say that there's no bad blood. And
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Speaker 1: no drama, because I think a lot of people would
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Speaker 1: have then jumped to the next conclusion that maybe one
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Speaker 1: of them cheated. I mean, they're both very good looking people.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's lots of offers in their DMs. I
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Speaker 1: think the reason why people are so upset about this
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Speaker 1: and why people like Lee and Georgia so much is
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Speaker 1: despite meeting on a show like The Bachelor, they have
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Speaker 1: a very down to earth vibe. And I think that
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Speaker 1: people almost think it's kind of like they're friends that
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Speaker 1: have just had this shock breakup. Like they were the
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Speaker 1: people that you would least expect to break up. And
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Speaker 1: that's why it's been met with such sadness. I do
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Speaker 1: believe that they will actually remain friends though, because I
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Speaker 1: remember Georgia seemed to be friends with a couple of
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Speaker 1: the guys that she dated.
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Speaker 2: Off the batch.
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Speaker 1: I know it's not quite the same as a marriage,
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Speaker 1: but I feel like They've both got those personalities where
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Speaker 1: they do want the best for one another. I think
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Speaker 1: it's different once you've been married for nine years compared
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Speaker 1: to going on a few dates.
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Speaker 3: On The Bachelor.
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Speaker 1: I think things change once people then finally move.
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Speaker 2: On and find someone else.
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Speaker 3: The secret's out there now.
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Speaker 1: Molly May's ex-fiancé Tommy Fury has revealed he's getting a
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Speaker 1: documentary of his own. The boxer made the announcement on
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Speaker 1: BBC's social channels promising an insight into his life inside
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Speaker 1: and outside the ring. Now, so this announcement comes just
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Speaker 1: weeks after part one of Molly's documentary Behind It All
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Speaker 1: dropped on Amazon Prime.
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Speaker 2: I am so excited.
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Speaker 1: Evidently, it seems like I may be the only person
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Speaker 1: who is excited about this announcement after reading Tommy Fury's
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Speaker 1: comment section. But the documentary is called Tommy, The Good,
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Speaker 1: The Bad, The Fury, which.
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Speaker 2: That makes me excited.
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Speaker 1: And it is expected to drop in between part one
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Speaker 1: and part two of Molly's doco. Now, the series is
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Speaker 1: being produced by the same production company which produced Tommy's brother,
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Speaker 1: Tyson Fury's recent show, which was called At Home With
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Speaker 1: The Furies. And just like Molly, Tommy has had camera
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Speaker 1: crews following him for months now. Now, the BBC have
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Speaker 1: described the documentary as a candid access all areas series.
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Speaker 1: And in their press release, the BBC said, just a
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Speaker 1: year ago, Tommy Fury seemed to have it all. Victory
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Speaker 1: over his biggest adversary, Jake Paul. a love with Molly
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Speaker 1: Mae and a beautiful baby daughter, Bambi. But in his
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Speaker 1: last fight, he damaged his hand and unable to train,
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Speaker 1: his life spun out of control.
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Speaker 2: Sounds very dramatic.
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Speaker 1: It does sound dramatic. Why do I think that so
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Speaker 1: much of this is just going to be him in
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Speaker 1: the ring and it's going to be boring though? They
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Speaker 1: have been teasing that it's going to concentrate also on
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Speaker 1: his personal life, but I think that they're going to
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Speaker 1: want to make This is a documentary not just for
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Speaker 1: women but also for men who will find the fighting side.
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Speaker 2: Of it interesting.
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Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot of pressure on the success of
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Speaker 1: this documentary because Molly's has just been such a knockout
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Speaker 1: for Pride. Yeah, but Molly also received some criticism for
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Speaker 1: it sort of being too overly produced and not serious enough. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but it rated so well. Interesting it's on the BBC. Yeah, well,
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Speaker 1: Tommy actually made the announcement on BBC socials. It looked
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Speaker 1: like he had just filmed sort of a piece to
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Speaker 1: camera Here's what he said about it.
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Speaker 3: The secret's out there now. Me and the BBC have
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Speaker 3: been working closely on something very special. The cameras have
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Speaker 3: been following me for a few months now. Inside the ring,
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Speaker 3: outside the ring, all accesses of my life. And I
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Speaker 3: can't wait for you all to see it. It's coming
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Speaker 3: later on in the year. It's going to be on
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Speaker 3: BBC3 and BBC iPlayer. Take it easy, guys, and keep
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Speaker 3: the mice peeled.
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Speaker 1: I had to watch it a few times because it
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Speaker 1: almost looked like AI. Yeah, there was something that wasn't
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Speaker 1: quite right about it. He almost looked too filtered or something.
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Speaker 2: Maybe he'd accidentally put a filter on. Who knows?
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Speaker 1: Now, Tommy followed up saying, a lot of people see
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Speaker 1: me in the ring. They see me on social media,
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Speaker 1: but they don't see me, the person behind all of that.
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Speaker 1: I'm excited for everyone to finally be able to see
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Speaker 1: what goes on behind the scenes and how the big
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Speaker 1: fights are made, all the ups and downs, as well
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Speaker 1: as a glimpse into my private life. Well, it's pretty
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Speaker 1: clear that Molly won't feature in this because Tommy has
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Speaker 1: not featured in Molly's Amazon Prime series at all. I'm
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Speaker 1: assuming as well that because Molly has this documentary with Amazon,
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Speaker 1: she can't just be popping up on the BBC. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I don't think we're going to be seeing her in
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Speaker 1: it at all. And it does make sense, particularly if
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Speaker 1: they have separate deals. I'm sure there's contracts in place
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Speaker 1: that they have to align with that particular streaming service.
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Speaker 1: I want to know if it was filmed at the
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Speaker 1: exact same time as part one, and will this also
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Speaker 1: be coming out as a part one, part two?
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well, it is safe to say that not everyone is
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Speaker 1: excited about this documentary. The comments section under this BBC
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Speaker 1: post were absolutely brutal. One user wrote, I'll be busy
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Speaker 1: watching paint dry, sorry, which received over 6,000 likes. Whilst
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Speaker 1: another said, I just feel like they're milking us. In fact,
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Speaker 1: I did not see one positive comment from anyone expressing
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Speaker 1: that they were looking forward to watching this. Well, I'm
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Speaker 1: not surprised because there was so much talk around Molly's
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Speaker 1: documentary that the whole thing was a big publicity stunt
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Speaker 1: between them. I mean, they both seem to be gaining
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Speaker 1: a lot out of this breakup. There's a thing that
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Speaker 1: has been this commentary that this announcement just proves that
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Speaker 1: the breakup was a huge publicity stunt. But I actually
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Speaker 1: think it does the opposite because to me, this documentary
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Speaker 1: is all about giving Tommy a much needed redemption arc
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Speaker 1: before he he and Molly officially get back together. We
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Speaker 1: all know that it's heading in that direction after their
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Speaker 1: New Year's Eve kiss. But wouldn't that prove the theory
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Speaker 1: that this is a huge publicity stunt and that they
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Speaker 1: were always going to break up and then get back together? No,
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Speaker 1: because why would you put your family through all of it?
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Speaker 1: I think that it was clear that his excessive drinking
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Speaker 1: and partying was getting out into the public. Molly and
16:36
Speaker 1: her team couldn't manage it anymore. They couldn't stop this
16:39
Speaker 1: avalanche of rumours that all these girls are bringing out there.
16:43
Speaker 1: I genuinely think that Molly's only option at that time
16:46
Speaker 1: was to legitimately break up with him.
16:48
Speaker 2: Because- Oh, I agree.
16:49
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no way you would go through all
16:52
Speaker 1: of this as a stage breakup.
16:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
16:54
Speaker 1: And no one would want that scrutiny on their young family.
16:58
Speaker 1: And also, Tommy has absolutely copped it on social media.
17:01
Speaker 1: His image is down the toilet. Everyone has been horrific
17:05
Speaker 1: to him. And they've got enough money. They're not going
17:07
Speaker 1: to just blow their lives up so that they can
17:10
Speaker 1: sell a clothing line that would have sold out anyway
17:12
Speaker 1: and get these documentaries. These documentary offers would have been
17:15
Speaker 1: on the table the second that Tyson Fury's documentary did
17:18
Speaker 1: so well. And for Molly, she has been hell bent
17:21
Speaker 1: on building this picture perfect relationship online. And her relationship
17:26
Speaker 1: is always going to be tarnished because of this breakup.
17:29
Speaker 1: Do you think that this documentary is going to have
17:31
Speaker 1: as many TikTok moments or memeable moments that Molly's did?
17:35
Speaker 1: I definitely think it has the potential to be memeable
17:38
Speaker 1: because I think that Molly's followers will be holding on
17:40
Speaker 1: to every little thing he says about Molly and their
17:43
Speaker 1: relationship going forward. Well, also the fact that it's been
17:46
Speaker 1: made by the same people who made At Home With
17:48
Speaker 1: The Furies. I mean, that is one show that really
17:50
Speaker 1: went off on TikTok. Yeah, I feel like they're going
17:52
Speaker 1: to try and make this documentary really serious. And I
17:55
Speaker 1: think that the BBC has the ability to turn him
17:58
Speaker 1: from the villain into the hero, which I think Molly
18:01
Speaker 1: and her team are hoping for. Because they're probably going
18:04
Speaker 1: to go into the massive impacts that this hand injury
18:07
Speaker 1: has had on his mental health and how it led
18:09
Speaker 1: to his alcohol addiction and how it's all spiraled. And
18:13
Speaker 1: I think that they're going to really demonstrate the emotional
18:16
Speaker 1: impact that all of this trolling has also had on Tommy,
18:18
Speaker 1: which is going to lead people to feel really bad
18:21
Speaker 1: and tug at the heartstrings. And ultimately, I think that
18:24
Speaker 1: this is going to drop before part two of Molly's
18:26
Speaker 1: doco so that the public is geared up to see
18:29
Speaker 1: them back together. So he's going to be portrayed in
18:31
Speaker 1: this great light and everyone's gonna be like yay thank
18:33
Speaker 1: god they're back together he just had this hurdle in
18:35
Speaker 1: his life that was difficult well look i'm here for
18:38
Speaker 1: this fairy tale i'm here for this rekindling of molly
18:41
Speaker 1: and tommy and as you said having it played on
18:43
Speaker 1: the bbc is going to add that more serious element
18:46
Speaker 1: to the story i mean how do we watch it
18:47
Speaker 1: here i don't even know what the bbc streaming service
18:50
Speaker 1: is i'm sure someone will pick it up maybe abc
18:52
Speaker 1: iview or something like that we'll have to figure it
18:54
Speaker 1: out because i am really keen to watch this i
18:56
Speaker 1: think i've got more chances of persuading my husband to
18:58
Speaker 1: watch this with the boxing scenes maybe I can't eat this,
19:03
Speaker 1: but how exciting is it to smell it? Kourtney Kardashian
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Speaker 1: has shut down claims her 15-year-old son, Mason Disick, fathered
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Speaker 1: a secret child in 2024, labelling the rumours as fake.
19:16
Speaker 1: The 45-year-old hit out on Instagram, calling on the media
19:19
Speaker 1: to leave her children alone. Amy, I have seen this
19:23
Speaker 1: popping up all over my TikTok and mainstream media have
19:26
Speaker 1: also picked up on this story. How did this all begin?
19:30
Speaker 1: So the rumors began spreading because an Instagram account claiming
19:33
Speaker 1: to be Mason popped up and revealed the baby news.
19:37
Speaker 1: So the account called Mason DDSH uploaded a question and
19:41
Speaker 1: answer box and answered a series of questions relating to
19:45
Speaker 1: this supposed secret child. So one user wrote in asking,
19:49
Speaker 1: did you have a baby and the account responded yeah
19:52
Speaker 1: i did another asked for a picture of piper now
19:56
Speaker 1: that is the rumored child's name and the account shared
19:58
Speaker 1: what looked to me like an ai image of a
20:01
Speaker 1: child another person asked who is piper to which the
20:05
Speaker 1: account responded, a failed protection. These screenshots started being shared
20:10
Speaker 1: all over TikTok and a lot of creators started sharing
20:12
Speaker 1: reaction videos. And many people were shocked at the prospect
20:16
Speaker 1: that Kourtney Kardashian could be a grandma at just 45.
20:20
Speaker 1: I remember it was such a shock when she got
20:22
Speaker 1: pregnant with Mason because she and her sister Khloe had
20:25
Speaker 1: just launched Kourtney and Khloe Take Miami. And it was
20:28
Speaker 1: meant to be about them being single and meeting new
20:30
Speaker 1: people after she had split from Scott. But of course,
20:33
Speaker 1: she and Scott ended up having Mason together. Yeah, well,
20:35
Speaker 1: it sort of ruined a few of their storylines, didn't it?
20:38
Speaker 1: It's crazy to think if they had TikTok then. I
20:40
Speaker 1: just can't believe that Mason is 15 years old because
20:44
Speaker 1: I feel like we've been seeing all these old paparazzi
20:47
Speaker 1: images of him as a child, like just in kids' clothes.
20:51
Speaker 2: And I was like, this is bullshit.
20:53
Speaker 1: There is absolutely no way that he could have fathered
20:55
Speaker 1: this child. But then there were some mainstream media publications
20:59
Speaker 1: who started sharing pictures of him looking much older and
21:02
Speaker 1: I thought, Maybe it's a possibility. Yeah.
21:04
Speaker 2: And something that seemed.
21:05
Speaker 1: To fan this rumour even more was that Kris Jenner
21:08
Speaker 1: allegedly gifted a gingerbread house to the Barkers over Christmas
21:13
Speaker 1: with the name Piper on it.
21:14
Speaker 2: And this has become a Christmas.
21:16
Speaker 1: Tradition for the Kardashians. She gives these elaborate gingerbread houses
21:20
Speaker 1: and people are convinced that she personalised one with Piper.
21:23
Speaker 1: I want to see the screenshots. Yeah, well, the rumours
21:26
Speaker 1: also coincided with Scott Disick opening up about Mason on
21:30
Speaker 1: Khloe Kardashian's podcast. He told Khloe, Mason started to really
21:33
Speaker 1: like girls and obviously girls like him. I just said,
21:37
Speaker 1: you can do whatever you want. Just don't lie and
21:39
Speaker 1: don't manipulate any girls. So if a girl tells you
21:42
Speaker 1: she wants to maybe do something with you and like
21:44
Speaker 1: hook up or whatever, if she knows that you're not
21:47
Speaker 1: in a relationship with her, don't tell her you were
21:49
Speaker 1: just going to get something out of her. I think
21:51
Speaker 1: a lot of people read into that commentary from Scott because,
21:55
Speaker 1: I mean, Scott was such a ladies man on Keeping
21:57
Speaker 1: Up With The Kardashians. He was often caught out cheating
22:00
Speaker 1: on Kourtney. And I think people think, well, gosh, is
22:03
Speaker 1: Mason a little Scott now? Like is he mimicking his
22:05
Speaker 1: dad's behavior? I thought the Kardashians would kind of not
22:09
Speaker 1: be enjoying this rumor, but a lot of people have
22:12
Speaker 1: been saying that they aren't in the zeitgeist anymore. No
22:16
Speaker 1: one really cares about them. They're not big news. Like
22:18
Speaker 1: apparently the searches for Kim Kardashian are drastically down at
22:22
Speaker 1: the moment. Their new show doesn't seem to be going well.
22:25
Speaker 1: No one really.
22:25
Speaker 2: Cares about it.
22:26
Speaker 1: But I was like, Maybe this is true and maybe
22:29
Speaker 1: this is a way for them to get attention and
22:31
Speaker 1: it's going to be a future storyline. There have been
22:33
Speaker 1: some pretty wild rumors floating around. And one of those
22:35
Speaker 1: is that the Kardashian family have leaked this story about
22:38
Speaker 1: Mason in order to divert attention away from Travis Barker's daughter, Alabama.
22:44
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know much about herself, but
22:45
Speaker 1: there's been so much on TikTok and also so much
22:48
Speaker 1: in the press about this feud that Alabama is having
22:51
Speaker 1: with a rapper called Bad Barbie. I mean, it's getting
22:53
Speaker 1: very nasty. So The latest is that Bad Barbie has
22:57
Speaker 1: accused Alabama of getting pregnant to rapper Tyga, which is
23:01
Speaker 1: super awkward when you know the connection with the Kardashian family. Yeah,
23:04
Speaker 1: because Kylie Jenner dated Tyga when she was just 17
23:08
Speaker 1: years old. And then Tyga also shares a baby with
23:12
Speaker 1: Rob Kardashian's baby mama, Blac Chyna. So I mean, it
23:17
Speaker 1: kind of would make sense, though. He seems to like
23:19
Speaker 1: the family, wants to be.
23:20
Speaker 2: Part of it.
23:20
Speaker 1: Well, Alabama and Tiger have both denied these rumours. I mean,
23:23
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty wild to think that someone like
23:26
Speaker 1: Kris Jenner, the grandmother of Mason, would come out and
23:29
Speaker 1: be like, wait a sec, we're going to just throw
23:31
Speaker 1: Mason under the bus and make up this fake rumour
23:33
Speaker 1: that he's got a secret child. I really don't think
23:35
Speaker 1: that Kris Jenner would sell her grandson out like that.
23:37
Speaker 1: I think that they'd be trying to avoid any pregnancy rumours.
23:41
Speaker 1: And it's pretty clear that this rumor has really affected
23:43
Speaker 1: Kourtney Kardashian and her family because she addressed the rumors
23:47
Speaker 1: on Monday and wrote on Instagram, I rarely address rumors
23:50
Speaker 1: or conspiracies regarding myself or my family, but this is
23:53
Speaker 1: about my child and it feels wrong to let anyone
23:56
Speaker 1: think for a second that these lies are remotely true.
23:59
Speaker 1: They are not. Mason does not have a child. These
24:02
Speaker 1: accounts that pretend to be him are definitely not.
24:05
Speaker 2: They are fake.
24:06
Speaker 1: My son really values his privacy and I'm asking all
24:09
Speaker 1: media to please be respectful. He is a kid with
24:12
Speaker 1: feelings and a beautiful life ahead of him. Please stop
24:14
Speaker 1: spreading false narratives and spinning lies. And to all the
24:17
Speaker 1: other people making videos about my kids, who by the
24:20
Speaker 1: way are minors, please stop and leave them alone. This
24:23
Speaker 1: whole debacle reminds me a lot of the Kate Middleton
24:26
Speaker 1: saga on TikTok, where all those videos started spreading and
24:29
Speaker 1: then everyone started buying into them. I think another reason
24:31
Speaker 1: why so many people were quick to believe these rumours
24:34
Speaker 1: is because Mason has been known to go rogue on
24:37
Speaker 1: Instagram before, because back in 2020, he made up an
24:41
Speaker 1: Instagram live and started answering fan questions. And one of
24:45
Speaker 1: the questions he answered was, was his auntie Kylie back
24:47
Speaker 1: with Travis Scott? And he said, no, they're not back together.
24:51
Speaker 1: It does disturb me though, that these type of rumors
24:54
Speaker 1: can spread like wildfire on TikTok and people just start
24:57
Speaker 1: to believe them as fact. I mean, The fact that
25:00
Speaker 1: a lot of mainstream media were printing these accusations as well. Yeah,
25:04
Speaker 1: purely because someone's jumped on TikTok and said, oh yeah,
25:07
Speaker 1: this must be true. Yeah, like someone set up a
25:09
Speaker 1: fake account for a 15-year-old. Where is the proof? I
25:12
Speaker 1: think it says a lot about journalism ethics as well,
25:14
Speaker 1: because this is a minor at the end of the day.
25:16
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if it's a celebrity's child or not.
25:19
Speaker 1: They're posting untrue allegations as if fact. Well, a lot
25:23
Speaker 1: of people have said, oh, they think it's ridiculous that
25:25
Speaker 1: Kourtney's come out asking for privacy when she plasters her children.
25:29
Speaker 1: on her social media channel and also.
25:31
Speaker 2: On a TV show.
25:31
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say she plasters them all over social media.
25:34
Speaker 1: I think sharing a photo of your child isn't plastering.
25:36
Speaker 2: Them over there.
25:37
Speaker 1: Well, they mean that their whole lives have been on TV,
25:39
Speaker 1: on the Kardashians. Yeah, but it doesn't mean that people
25:41
Speaker 1: can make up vicious rumours about your 15-year-old fathering a child. Yeah.
25:47
Speaker 2: I have this theory with pregnancy.
25:51
Speaker 1: After a lengthy fertility journey, Georgie Stevenson has revealed she's
25:54
Speaker 1: pregnant with her second child. While most followers were elated
25:58
Speaker 1: by the exciting news, the entrepreneur was forced to defend
26:01
Speaker 1: her conception timeline. Now, Soph, before we get into it,
26:04
Speaker 1: can you tell us more about Georgie's fertility journey? Yeah,
26:07
Speaker 1: she's always been very open with her followers about her
26:10
Speaker 1: struggles to conceive. And before she gave birth to her daughter, Ivy,
26:15
Speaker 1: Georgie was actually told that she was infertile due to
26:18
Speaker 1: thyroid complications, but she ended up falling pregnant after eight
26:22
Speaker 1: months of trying to conceive. Now, very sadly, she did
26:25
Speaker 1: suffer a miscarriage, but then went on to have IV
26:28
Speaker 1: in late 2021 after going through IUI. Yeah, and at
26:32
Speaker 1: the end of last year, Georgie also revealed that she
26:34
Speaker 1: and her husband, Tim, had been trying for a baby
26:37
Speaker 1: since the beginning of the year, but were having trouble.
26:40
Speaker 1: In a candid reel, she shared a compilation of diary
26:42
Speaker 1: entries she'd filmed throughout the year, where she spoke about
26:45
Speaker 1: the toll the journey was taking on her mental health.
26:48
Speaker 1: In the caption of the reel, Georgie confessed she was
26:51
Speaker 1: feeling exhausted and defeated. Super disappointing. I also feel, you
26:56
Speaker 1: can see the bruise there, I also feel like quite sick.
27:01
Speaker 1: My doctor said like never in his career has this
27:04
Speaker 1: happened to a patient and he just feels so devastated
27:08
Speaker 1: for us. Now Georgie actually wasn't going to share that
27:19
Speaker 1: reel until she fell pregnant and but thought, well, it's
27:22
Speaker 1: going to help other people going through a similar thing.
27:24
Speaker 2: I'll be vulnerable and I will share it whilst I'm
27:26
Speaker 2: going through the journey.
27:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that was a really good decision
27:29
Speaker 1: by Georgie because it would have helped so many people
27:31
Speaker 1: feel less alone. Now, if we fast forward three months,
27:35
Speaker 1: Georgie announced the exciting news that she is pregnant with
27:38
Speaker 1: her second child. The couple shared a gorgeous photo shoot
27:41
Speaker 1: and also a video showing their reactions to the positive
27:44
Speaker 1: pregnancy test. I was so happy for them when this
27:47
Speaker 1: post popped up. It was a really special moment, particularly
27:49
Speaker 1: knowing just what they'd been through and how special it
27:52
Speaker 1: was for them. And while most of Georgie's followers were
27:56
Speaker 1: ecstatic for her, one follower wrote, wait, so when you
27:59
Speaker 1: posted in December crying in your car that you weren't pregnant,
28:02
Speaker 1: you actually were pregnant? Whilst others chimed in saying she
28:06
Speaker 1: must have been lying. Oh my God. I just don't
28:09
Speaker 1: know what would bring you to write something like that
28:11
Speaker 1: on somebody's pregnancy announcement. And I was really happy because
28:14
Speaker 1: Georgie came online and she shut down the allegations straight away.
28:18
Speaker 1: So she shared a screenshot of the comment to her
28:20
Speaker 1: Instagram story and wrote, also to those trying to catch
28:24
Speaker 1: me out for posting out infertility journey and accusing me
28:27
Speaker 1: of lying or whatever, guys, please start being obsessed with
28:30
Speaker 1: your own life, not mine. But in all seriousness, here
28:33
Speaker 1: are the receipts because you seem really worried about it.
28:36
Speaker 1: So she went on to share the receipts, which were
28:38
Speaker 1: screenshots of the dates the content was taken. And it
28:41
Speaker 1: turns out that the reel she shared about her fertility
28:44
Speaker 1: journey was uploaded on the 3rd of December. Well, she
28:47
Speaker 1: took the pregnancy test on the 11th of December. So
28:50
Speaker 1: she went on to write, like, I get it. What
28:52
Speaker 1: a crazy miracle that I finally posted about our infertility
28:56
Speaker 1: after 12 months, then got pregnant that month. Talk about
29:00
Speaker 1: the energy of divine timing, surrender and detachment. I also
29:04
Speaker 1: understand that may be triggering if you're going through your
29:06
Speaker 1: own stuff. But surely you can just be happy for
29:09
Speaker 1: a family finally getting their miracle baby. She then wanted
29:12
Speaker 1: to say that she understands that people are curious and
29:15
Speaker 1: she will share more on her podcast and YouTube about
29:17
Speaker 1: their journey and offered people to DM her if they
29:20
Speaker 1: had any questions. It is really sad because often when
29:23
Speaker 1: influencers put up their pregnancy announcements, a lot of people
29:26
Speaker 1: do get triggered who are going through these fertility journeys.
29:30
Speaker 1: And You can see why people lash out. But in
29:33
Speaker 1: this instance, it just seems really unfair because all of
29:36
Speaker 1: her followers knew she had struggled previously to conceive.
29:38
Speaker 2: It seems like a bit of miscommunication. aggression in some instances.
29:41
Speaker 1: And I just think that we really need to encourage
29:45
Speaker 1: people to speak openly about their fertility struggles. And it's
29:48
Speaker 1: really concerning to me that people are attacking a woman
29:52
Speaker 1: over being vulnerable about her fertility journey. Like trying to
29:55
Speaker 1: catch her out as well. Yeah. Like why are we
29:57
Speaker 1: trying to catch someone out? I mean, She was vulnerable
29:59
Speaker 1: enough to open up about it and on numerous occasions
30:02
Speaker 1: and share about her miscarriage and share about her struggles.
30:06
Speaker 1: And then we say, oh, hold on a second. You
30:08
Speaker 1: were lying to us the whole time. Even if she
30:10
Speaker 1: did post when she knew that she was pregnant, which
30:13
Speaker 1: isn't the case, who fucking cares? Well, it's also like,
30:16
Speaker 1: can we just give her the benefit of the doubt? Because,
30:19
Speaker 1: I mean, the accusation seems to be that she's using this,
30:22
Speaker 1: you know, her infertility struggles. to get views or likes.
30:25
Speaker 1: Georgie Stevenson doesn't need to do that. That's not really
30:28
Speaker 1: what her content's about anymore. Her content is more about
30:31
Speaker 1: business and also about her courses and that kind of thing.
30:36
Speaker 1: She doesn't need that content to do well. I just
30:39
Speaker 1: think people need to stop being dickheads online.
30:41
Speaker 2: There should just be a no dickhead.
30:43
Speaker 1: Rule in the comment section, which I suppose there probably
30:45
Speaker 1: wouldn't be much engagement online anymore. But I think that
30:48
Speaker 1: is all we have time for today. Thank you so
30:50
Speaker 1: much for joining us. This episode was recorded on the
30:52
Speaker 1: traditional land of the Kaurna people of.
30:54
Speaker 2: The Adelaide Plains. We pay respect to elders past and present.