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How to Get More Participation W/Special Guest · United We Scan

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  Thank you. Now here are the hosts of the
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  United We Scan podcast. Welcome back everybody, Episode
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  125, how to get more participation.
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  And we have a special guest. Josh, why don't you do the
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  introductions for us of our special guest?
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  Well, our special guest tonight is none other than the man, the
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  Myth, the Legend from ADA Arbitration Zone, Corey Walton.
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  And Corey is going to be the next executive VP of the NALC.
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  And I'm I'm pulling for him even as a rural carrier.
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  Welcome aboard, Corey. Well, I appreciate that we're
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  feeling good right now. Every.
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  Time, every time Renfro opens his mouth, you ought to feel
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  good. I feel much better about our
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  odds every time he does. I mean you could talk about
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  Renfro or Lou Dreas or any of them that that are are attacking
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  you consistently. It it seems like they're coming
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  out after me for some reason, I don't know why.
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  Because you are the. Best of my.
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  Thought because you are the the voice of the the voiceless in
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  the city craft. Yeah.
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  Yeah, and I hate that Lou came out like that because I do
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  respect Lou. But, you know, and we're going
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  back and forth having a good time with each other.
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  But the last time he came out and was talking about kind of
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  glorifying his alcoholism, I said I'm not going to I'm going
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  to be done with him, that he's got a bigger demon to fight than
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  me. And so I'm not going to, I'm not
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  going to engage him any longer after that statement because I
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  that that's a whole different beast for him.
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  You know, and so as we normally do, we usually talk about how
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  our week was, we missed it the last episode and it just skipped
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  right into things. But might you start us out,
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  Corey? How has your whirlwind week
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  been? Because we know you've been all
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  over the place. Yeah, we've been going.
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  James, Henry and I, he's the one running for president.
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  We've been going to as many places as possible.
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  Generally, somebody asks us to come, we're going to try to be
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  there whether it's one person or 1000 people.
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  And so this past week, 2 weeks ago, went to Cleveland, went to
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  the zoo there, they had a big meeting there.
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  That was fantastic. Then we drove from there to
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  Detroit and had a, it was a kind of a picnic for the next
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  business agent of that region, Walt Mcgregory, and he's on the
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  CLC slate. So we had a picnic up in
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  Detroit. That was a fantastic time.
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  And then this past week we went to the Illinois State
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  Convention. We had a big time there that was
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  in Springfield, IL and had a picnic there with Branch 11.
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  That's one of the biggest branches in Illinois.
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  Chicago, and went to a meet and greet, had a great time.
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  And then of course, you know, I had the accident on the way
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  back. Somebody rear-ended me.
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  So I'm got to get me a rental tomorrow.
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  I was supposed to go to Wisconsin tomorrow and they have
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  a meeting Tuesday, so I was going to drive up there, but I
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  don't think I'm going to be able to make it now because I don't
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  have a car. So.
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  But yeah, it's been a busy week. Sounds like it.
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  And I'm sorry we couldn't meet up in Detroit.
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  Both of us apparently were very busy at the time to actually get
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  our schedules together. But yeah, we it.
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  Was a quick it was a quick trip. We went up and went specifically
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  for their their picnic and we're made.
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  We made it over to Canada. I didn't realize that Canada was
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  that close, but it's just across the bridge.
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  It's right there. You can hit it with a rock from
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  Detroit. You take a boat South of
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  Detroit, you'll actually hit Canada.
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  Yeah, we just drove over the bridge right to Canada, played
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  bingo over there and drove back over.
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  Yeah, pretty cool. Yeah.
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  How'd you like? How'd you like our state?
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  Detroit when we was in Detroit. How'd you like Michigan in
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  general? Michigan was great.
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  Detroit was fantastic. We didn't get to see a whole lot
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  of Detroit, but we just drove through Michigan, so we didn't.
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  But driving through was nice. But Detroit, yeah, I mean, it
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  was. It's a good city.
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  Oh. Yeah.
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  Do you Do you like Detroit? Depends on the part of Detroit
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  you go to. Yeah.
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  You know, they're, they're revitalizing a lot of that.
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  Ford just finished working on the old train station, the
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  Michigan Central Depot, getting that refurbished.
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  And so now that area's starting to come back.
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  It's a city on revival. It's slowly coming back from the
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  depths of absolutely devastation.
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  So watching it grow back as it is, slowly, not trying to do too
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  much too fast is probably the best way to go about it.
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  So I think they're making progress.
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  I'm sure there's some Detroit people who are gonna gonna
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  chastise me for saying that, but I've been to downtown Detroit a
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  lot. I drive through Detroit.
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  I go the back roads instead of taking the freeways.
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  So I do drive through even some of the worst parts of it.
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  But there's a lot of stuff to grow in Detroit, so I think that
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  they're on their way. Well, we went from Ohio to
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  Michigan, so it was just a very quick, it's what, 2 1/2 hours
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  was all it was to go from where we were to Detroit.
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  So I didn't get to see a whole lot of Michigan, but.
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  Yeah, well, maybe sometime you'll come back and visit a
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  little bit longer. We'll definitely be back,
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  absolutely. Like I said, then the next
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  business agent for that region is going to be Walt McGregor,
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  and he's right there in the heart of it.
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  So we'll be out there again. All right.
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  Sounds good. Josh, how was your week?
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  My week was it was warm Tuesday I have my relief day and Oh my
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  God it I could barely breathe. Tuesday and warm is under
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  selling it. It was hot as shit.
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  You walked outside, it's like someone kicked you in the chest
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  and you can't catch your breath. I'm in a mattress at my route
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  and thank God for air conditioning.
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  But my heart goes out to anybody who's in ALLV that has no AC
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  because this is, this is cruel and unusual punishment, folks.
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  And, and the fact, like I was listening to Corey's podcast on
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  heat, they're telling them the city cares.
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  That is to keep it moving, beat the heat and to take only
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  authorized breaks. Shut up, I'll take as many
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  breaks as I damn well please. Your butt sitting in the in the
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  post office in air conditioning. I'm already going ready to go
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  start A little rant but my week was good.
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  Just another week of mail and yesterday my route cut went into
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  effect and now I'm picking up mail at a post office to bring
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  it back to my SNDC. Yeah, don't think about it.
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  Doesn't make much sense. But you know what, it's great
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  for me. If I get done early, I can go
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  where the post office is. There's a restaurant behind it.
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  I can go have a meal or I can go sit in the post office in the AC
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  and cool off. Bill, how was your week of what
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  not to do? Oh, God, it, it was probably,
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  like you said, warm. It was so humid.
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  One day I got the leaf blower so I could blow the humidity off
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  the door so I could come outside.
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  It was just, you know, you, you just take a breath in and you
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  feel the air going into your lungs.
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  It's like, oh, this is not healthy.
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  OK, Not at all. You know, again, you know, I'm,
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  I'm the recent retiree, but I've been handling.
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  Oh close the 32 different situations and offices and most
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  of them are because of the scanner messages in regards to
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  stationary events. It's about the heat somebody put
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  up on one of the platforms. The inside of their LLV was
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  126°. I saw where another carrier died
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  and some woman posted from her second floor balcony.
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  She goes, they're federal workers, why don't they have air
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  conditioning? Why can't we protect them?
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  I mean, here's a common citizen asking these questions and
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  rightfully so. Why?
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  Why are they going out there? Why aren't they moving?
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  The starting time's up. When is somebody going to get
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  enough balls to put a foot up somebody's ass at the plants and
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  get them to disperse the mail onto the trucks earlier so that
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  we don't have to lose one more person to these conditions?
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  I, I don't get it. You know, there's, there's a
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  whole litany of things that I went through this week we'll
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  discuss later. But the fact that you're you,
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  you turned around and pushed the Amazon Sunday start time back to
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  10 P 10 AM. Are you stupid?
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  Yes. Are you that fucking?
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  You know, I, I just, I, I shake my head.
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  I mean, you know, there are some days I wish I was back in my
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  office as a steward because I, I'd be chopping down trees
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  writing up all these grievances. But you know, like you said, you
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  got, you got your cut yesterday. Our office went through cuts on
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  only one zip code. The the other zip code hasn't
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  been cut. And, you know, there might be a
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  grievance there because of the fact that, you know, you're
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  affecting wages from one group but not the other.
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  There's no equitable situation there that other people can be
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  40 sevens or 40 eights while you're being cut to 40 threes
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  and such. And on doing the cuts, they
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  created AK route and an H route. Oh, let's see.
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  Hold it. Yeah, they created two more
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  routes for people they don't have and also are still 4
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  vehicles short, but we'll talk more about that later.
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  Because yeah, when I tell you all this, that this is going to
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  just make you sit there and shake your head and wonder about
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  the viability of the United States Postal Service under its
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  current management. I've enjoyed all the interaction
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  this week. Got the grandson on Tuesday into
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  Wednesday and I'm not personally going to start a venture of
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  going after this lady who is, you know, on podcast there.
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  I think Mr. Johnson put it up in regards to the future of the
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  post office. I, I, I'm making that my new
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  mission in life because this is ridiculous, folks.
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  The way this service, the United States Postal Service is being
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  led and managed and coerced by management.
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  It's performing unsafe work conditions, toxic work
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  environments, and I'm sick and tired of it.
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  So I, I'm going to make that my mission to go after these people
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  because this is, this can't go on.
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  You know, we, we know people who work in offices where they don't
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  even have enough people to cover the routes and they're beating
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  them up on the MOU. Oh, you have to help.
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  No, you don't. Oh, you have to take a piece?
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  No, you don't. And in this weather, ladies and
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  gentlemen, tell them to kiss your ass.
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  If you volunteer, that's on you. If you don't walk out.
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  Enough of this horseshit. OK, I'm done.
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  My mini rant from there. I Let me tell you, ladies and
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  gentlemen, I am so pissed at the quality of management, the lack
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  of direction the United States Postal Service is is currently
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  in. And then you're going to bring
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  in from some somebody as APMG who is a competitor who's been
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  in entitled positions of the board and never really service
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  the industries he's been in. And he's going to turn us around
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  just like the joy with his experience with was it XPO?
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  I I don't think so. And you know, just just just for
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  the record, raise the price of stamps again.
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  You're not killing first class mail enough.
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  Raise the price of stamps again, you morons.
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  All right, James, go ahead, take the floor.
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  Well after that. Wow, you make my problem seem so
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  tiny. So on Monday I went in and it
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  was a heavy Monday as usual. I had three extra trays of DPS
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  compared to my normal, my average and I.
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  Because of the weather situation, the heat and
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  possibility of rain in the afternoon, I crisscross my mail.
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  Each address goes a different direction in my tray as I put
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  the pulled down mail from my case which is in 1/2 tray next
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  to it into that mail and then put it all into a half tray so
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  it doesn't tip over and fly it all over the place inside the
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  LOV. Plus I put a half tray upside
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  down with a mail strap on it that holds one of my battery
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  powered fans that uses one of my tools battery power fans so it
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  blows air through from the window across the truck keeping
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  it about 10° cooler in there. Well the postmaster decides to
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  come over and berate me for the process of how I pull down and
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  crisscross my mail. I was almost done.
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  I was on the last set of boxes, the last section St. that I had
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  left of my route and he tells me what are you still doing in here
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  and why are you doing it that way?
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  It's taking too long. You need to take your DPS and
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  everything and take it out to the street.
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  No, I said this makes it more efficient for me on the street
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  so I don't care what it does. You're taking it out of the
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  street. Now.
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  I turn around and I said do you want to take this in private?
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  No, I just want you to take that out to the street and get out of
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  this office now. I said OK I need APS Form 8191
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  when I get back. Then I proceeded to take
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  everything to the street. Came back at 4:00 PM on a 4040K
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  route which is 8 hours a day. I started 8:00 AM and I go.
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  So do I have to take DPS to the street tomorrow?
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  No OK that's what I thought. I still need that 8191 because
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  I'm filing a failure to comply with a previous grievance
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  settlement where you berate somebody on the workroom floor
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  is a hostile work environment. I've previously grieved this
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  twice before, so this will be the third time.
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  So now we're going for escalator remedy, which is what you're
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  supposed to do after they failed to comply with a previous
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  grievance. Would you agree with that,
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  Corey? Yes.
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  Exactly. But the rest of the week it was
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  quiet. Never talked to me after that
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  because I filed that grievance that day, called my my the
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  district assistant district Rep. See, I emailed it to her that
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  night. She's going to handle it for me
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  and it should be done within the next couple of weeks.
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  But other than that, it was a normal week the rest of the week
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  except I celebrated my birthday on Friday or no Thursday.
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  Thursday my, my, I'm getting old man.
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  I'm getting old. Forgetting stuff.
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  It's on Thursday and Saturday was my parents 50th anniversary
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  and so we celebrated that today. I went up there and they renewed
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  their vows at church and then we went out to brunch together and
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  spent some time together with my parents and then came back here
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  to do the podcast. So that's been my week so far.
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  Not as interesting as Bill's week has been.
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  Apparently Bill takes the cake on this one, although Corey is
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  running close second with running all over like a chicken
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  with his head cut off. And getting in a car wreck.
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  And getting in a car wreck and speaking.
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  Of Josh, you have hold it, he said.
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  He got rear-ended. I didn't hear anything about a
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  car involved there. I'm.
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  A smart car? Oh.
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  Oh, your car, OK. But well, yeah, you got to,
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  yeah, you got to clarify when you say you get rear-ended
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  because, I mean, that happened to the post office all the time.
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  Yeah, now that was me coming back from a trip.
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  OK, sorry, it must be the Crown Royal it.
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  Is speaking Speaking of car accidents, Josh, you had a one
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  to talk about yourself, didn't you?
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  Yes, I'd like to take a privilege.
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  A friend of mine, a fellow carrier, was driving to work
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  yesterday and she was rear-ended at 30 to 35 mph and she she's
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  OK. She had to go to the hospital
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  for MRICTS of her back, neck and her head.
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  I spoke to her today and what do you think management was doing
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  while she was in the hospital? No prizes.
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  Forget. Yep, so that we goof on
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  management for being idiots. But this is serious.
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  Y'all wear that seat belt. Don't do what you do in the
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  Metris. What I've heard about where you
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  click it in and you're sitting ahead of it because quote, it
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  makes me faster on the street. I don't want you becoming a part
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  of the windshield or part of the dash if you get rear-ended.
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  We have a dangerous enough job as it is.
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  And I understand they can check us with the telematics on the
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  mattresses and the promasters for our city brothers and
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  sisters, but we need to be wearing that seat belt only in
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  limited circumstances, can you not?
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  Be fully buckled in. And even then, that's in an LLV
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  where you could disconnect the shoulder belt from the lap belt.
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  I mean, I understand that for some of the folks that are
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  shorter, especially, that seat belt will dig in.
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  Well, it's better than a seat belt dig in.
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  Then you hurt yourself or God forbid, worse, and then we have
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  another carrier fatality in the line of duty.
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  Well, let let me let me kick in here with I, I want to
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  congratulate James for standing up to his management team there
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  in regards to his direct order. And this is what happens.
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  He stood up and guess what? The bully backed off.
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  That's an important lesson for everybody listening to learn.
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  When you stand up to a bully, they usually back off,
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  especially when they know they're wrong.
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  But again, you know, in talking about the LL VS and everything,
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  I can recall the safety inspectors catching us out of
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  Westchester. We're not wearing our shoulder
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  harness and there is a 500 foot rule in regards to the the
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  shoulder strap. And the fact of the matter is if
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  they didn't allow us to do that, why would they design the seat
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  belt like that in the 1st place? And the safety inspector was
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  dumbfounded because he didn't have an answer.
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  Of course I turned around, being the asshole that I am.
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  And I says, and why are you out here?
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  You know, you're, you're right. Don't sit on the seat belt.
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  Make sure it's around your lap. Short, fat, old, ugly, whatever
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  seat belt grabbing your waist and preventing you from going to
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  the windshield is a lot better than the phone call that'll be
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  made to your family. I always tell you that you're
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  the most important delivery of the day.
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  Get home to your loved ones and this is a re edification of that
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  message. Wear the damn seat belt.
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  It's not worth the extra 3 to 6 seconds to take it off and put
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  it back on. Back to you, James.
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  I completely agree with you guys.
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  You know, we, we don't, we don't want to sound like management
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  where we're just chastising carriers for now wearing your
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  seat belt. We know mistakes happen.
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  We're human. Humans make mistakes.
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  That's how most of them get into management.
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  But we have to make sure we are taking care of ourselves because
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  there is nobody else out there actively looking out for us than
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  ourselves. Safety needs to be first,
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  second, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 78910 all the way down the line.
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  It should always be safety on your mind.
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  And I say micro said it best safety third.
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  If it's first, you forget about it.
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  If it's second, you forget about it.
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  But that third one you always remember safety third.
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  And if you guys don't know what I'm talking about, look up Mike
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  Rose safety third on YouTube, because your safety is only your
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  responsibility. Management can preach safety
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  till the cows come home. The only reason they're doing
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  that is for legal liability. They could say, oh, I talked to
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  that carrier about that. So I'm absolved of any risk on
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  this, but it's 100% you all. It is now that we've talked a
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  little bit like management and push probably push some people's
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  off of this podcast. Now we're going to get in the
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  meat potatoes of this episode. The appalling number of people
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  that responded to our tentative agreement.
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  The city carriers had an enormous turn out of votes for
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  their tentative agreement. Now I understand people didn't
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  get their ballots in time to get it back to to the PO Box by the
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  13th at noon. And some people sent their
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  ballots out. They got returned to them.
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  Some people never got their ballots, but they have that low
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  of a voter turn out When the city carrier showed us that they
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  can get a no vote and push it through even though later on
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  they got screwed over by their president shows that
• 25:09
  participation is important and that's why we have Corey here.
• 25:13
  Corey, I want you to tell us what is the one thing that city
• 25:19
  carriers do the best compared to rural carriers when it comes to
• 25:23
  union participation? I would say that the thing that
• 25:26
  we had going for us, unlike contracts in the past is social
• 25:31
  media. You know, we were all over
• 25:33
  social media Zooms, we were all over that.
• 25:37
  We were doing them all over the place.
• 25:39
  Different organization. I don't know if you'd ever build
• 25:42
  a fighting NLC, but they were constantly on Zooms.
• 25:46
  We were doing them here. So podcast, we had several, but
• 25:51
  we were just all over. It's about education, letting
• 25:53
  the carriers know that, hey, what they're proposing you at
• 25:58
  the end of the day, what are you worth?
• 26:01
  And so if you're worth the 1.3%, then you vote for that.
• 26:05
  And we were trying to tell people we're we're worth much
• 26:08
  more than that as a carrier craft, as a real carrier craft,
• 26:13
  we're worth much more than that. And so that was kind of the
• 26:16
  messages that, hey, if you're going to say that 1.3 is what
• 26:22
  we've always gotten, that's what you will always get.
• 26:27
  At some point, you have to bust through that.
• 26:29
  And that's kind of the message we were kind of relaying to the
• 26:32
  city letter carriers that at some point you're going to have
• 26:36
  to say, that's not, that's not what we're worth.
• 26:39
  You constantly said that, you know, they have us in the soup
• 26:42
  line. At some point we had to step out
• 26:45
  of the line and say, hey, we want steak.
• 26:48
  And that's what that's what we were saying.
• 26:50
  But it was social media. We were everywhere.
• 26:53
  Every week we were doing something.
• 26:56
  It seemed like I was on a Zoom call all the time.
• 26:59
  And it's about education. You got to educate the work room
• 27:02
  floor. Now the business agents
• 27:05
  unfortunately were for the TA, the majority of them they they
• 27:10
  were for obviously the, the establishment.
• 27:13
  And that's what you'll be going against the establishment.
• 27:16
  I know that y'all have a group that are trying to bust through
• 27:19
  that and saying hey, we can have so much better at least fight
• 27:23
  for us. And that's kind of our message.
• 27:26
  We want somebody to fight. And so is the city letter
• 27:29
  carrier who took up that flag and said you know what, we'll do
• 27:32
  it for ourselves. We'll fight.
• 27:33
  And that's where you saw the results of the TA was.
• 27:36
  It was a resounding, we're not going to stand in that line any
• 27:40
  longer. We're going to fight for steak.
• 27:42
  And that's what the city letter carrier said.
• 27:44
  Now, like you said, we voted it down, but our president still
• 27:47
  pushed it through on us through that arbitration is, if you want
• 27:51
  to call it that, that stipulated award on that mediation.
• 27:54
  He still got what he wanted, but I'd say that was what it was.
• 27:58
  It's just social media. It's it's unlike anything that
• 28:01
  we've had in the past. You have a podcast now that you
• 28:06
  didn't have in the past Zooms that basically those all started
• 28:12
  during COVID, the the popularity of Zoom.
• 28:15
  And so, yeah, I would say that it was social media is what
• 28:19
  changed it. Now we just don't, we don't have
• 28:25
  the participation in our local meetings, our state meeting,
• 28:30
  heck even in our national meetings and things like that,
• 28:34
  like is, yeah, do do your business agents go to these
• 28:38
  offices and talk with carriers and things like that?
• 28:40
  Do they actually actively recruit these carriers to be
• 28:44
  involved? Very little, very little.
• 28:47
  And that's that's the reason you're saying kind of this
• 28:52
  movement that people are talking about anywhere you go.
• 28:55
  I know when we're in Cleveland, you're having people driving a
• 28:57
  couple hours away, you know, to come see us saying it's a
• 29:01
  phenomenon what's happening with the city letter care craft.
• 29:06
  And I agree with that. It's a, it's a movement and it's
• 29:09
  because the city letter care has decided that our agent, the NALC
• 29:14
  has failed US, kind of like y'all's agent has failed y'all.
• 29:18
  And so we took it upon ourselves.
• 29:20
  You're not going to see business agents going out and recruiting
• 29:24
  anybody because they understand the movement.
• 29:28
  They're pro renfro and that's going to get them removed from
• 29:31
  their positions as well. Anybody in the establishment is
• 29:34
  going to be removed from their position next year.
• 29:37
  And so, yeah, it's business agents are lazy.
• 29:42
  You got branch presidents that support business agents.
• 29:46
  They're lazy. And it's just, you know it.
• 29:49
  It's long overdue for the city letter carrier to take back over
• 29:53
  this crap, but that's what we'll do next year.
• 29:57
  It, it sounds comparable with the NRLCA in regards to our NSS
• 30:03
  as well as, you know, some of our state officers, you know
• 30:07
  that they toe the line and, and they turn around.
• 30:12
  Every time I hear this, it just makes me gag.
• 30:14
  Is that, well, we want to mirror what the national office is
• 30:17
  doing. Why you have your own
• 30:20
  independent voice. Speak it, say it.
• 30:25
  You know you're not tied into them and let's just try.
• 30:30
  Yeah, the last thing I want to do is mirror my National.
• 30:33
  They're they're pathetic. And so I want somebody fighting
• 30:37
  for me. I don't want you to mirror them.
• 30:39
  That's the reason we're in trouble.
• 30:41
  It's because of National. My parents, you know, are both
• 30:44
  retired rural carriers. And I remember my dad year, this
• 30:49
  is in the late 80s, I was a rural carrier in Franklin.
• 30:53
  And that's the same station he was in.
• 30:56
  And I remember the postmaster's name is Alec Bond was his name.
• 30:59
  But anyway, my dad was begging their union to join the NALC and
• 31:08
  he's saying our union is failing us.
• 31:10
  You know, we've got to join a bigger union, get better.
• 31:14
  Now, I wouldn't encourage y'all to do that because we're, we're,
• 31:18
  we're terrible and we have just poor leadership, man.
• 31:21
  And until we get this thing turned around, man, I wouldn't
• 31:25
  tell us to recruit anybody. But yeah I would love at some
• 31:28
  point, I don't know how y'all feel about that, but us to
• 31:31
  combine with the Royal carriers union and make it 1 big union
• 31:35
  and and get this thing right but probably never have a fault.
• 31:41
  Corey when, when when your contract came out, the TA came
• 31:45
  out, I was out on the lawn across from RSD and C with a
• 31:49
  sign yo city carriers vote no. You deserve better.
• 31:54
  And you know, these guys are going by beeping and everything
• 31:57
  and they, they tried to get a message to me that I wasn't
• 32:00
  allowed to be there. And I sent a text message back
• 32:03
  to the carrier saying tell them I'm not on postal property
• 32:06
  because I was across the street. But.
• 32:09
  The the, the, the fact of the matter is that when you know
• 32:11
  your, your national president puts in writing that we want
• 32:17
  substantial wage increases. We want to eliminate Table 2.
• 32:22
  And then then after two years, almost two years of, of
• 32:26
  negotiating, it gets voted down. It comes back, goes the, you
• 32:32
  know, to the arbitrator and after two years of negotiating,
• 32:36
  the arbitrator settles in 48 hours.
• 32:40
  How much do consideration do you think he gave that?
• 32:44
  Yeah, it was. It was stipulated.
• 32:47
  If you know anything about arbitration, that was a
• 32:50
  stipulated warning. Basically the arbitrator wrote
• 32:52
  in, in his opinion. We talked in numerous episodes
• 32:55
  about the arbitrator's decision, what he wrote, and he was kind
• 32:59
  of snitching on both parties in his writing because he said in
• 33:04
  the two days of mediation, which means it never made it to
• 33:07
  arbitration. Mediation and arbitration are
• 33:09
  two different things. And so, yeah.
• 33:12
  And so when he wrote that, and I don't know if y'all heard, but
• 33:16
  they had kind of ACLP committee of presidents and that's where
• 33:21
  all the presidents can go and and kind of a rap session.
• 33:25
  And somebody challenged Renfro on that, talking about
• 33:28
  mediation, and he said the arbitrator lied in the decision.
• 33:31
  So that shows you that just how fucked up my president is, is to
• 33:38
  dude has no ethics, no morals. He's completely pathetic.
• 33:44
  And so, yeah, we're in trouble with this cat.
• 33:47
  But yeah, you're exactly right. 700 days you're going to sit
• 33:52
  there, make all these promises, substantial starting wage
• 33:57
  increases for Ccas. If he would have done that, he
• 34:01
  probably would have been in OK shape just with that because our
• 34:04
  Ccas are crapped on, you know, they make, they make less than
• 34:08
  fast food workers make and he promised them that.
• 34:13
  Then he says, you know, we're going to have an all career
• 34:15
  workforce or it's a non starter. He made those promises.
• 34:19
  This is going to be historic. He was making those promises.
• 34:22
  So he kind of had that carrot out in front of us, leaving us
• 34:25
  alone and we kind of blindly followed.
• 34:27
  And then they hit us with it. And you realize now this Ambit's
• 34:31
  been lying this entire time. None of these things happened
• 34:35
  for 700 days. You did this.
• 34:36
  Like you say, you go to this mediation and in two days the
• 34:41
  arbitrator allegedly gets all this information, all this data,
• 34:44
  all these positions and it's on a weekend and then he comes out
• 34:48
  with this decision. So yeah, we got screwed over by
• 34:51
  our own party. But yeah, that's that's the
• 34:55
  reason he's going to lose and he'll be either go back to
• 34:58
  deliver mail or going to management either 1 so.
• 35:03
  Yeah, that's what we call a quinky dink.
• 35:07
  Yeah. I I have to correct you though,
• 35:10
  Bill Renfro's was historic whereas Mastin's was
• 35:15
  significant. Well, the Renfro promised yes,
• 35:20
  substantial wage too. Yeah, substantial wage increases
• 35:24
  for my CCA's. They got less than a dollar, so
• 35:27
  they weren't even worth a cup of coffee at McDonald's, is what
• 35:30
  you told them. For all that they do and they
• 35:32
  get, you know, I started back in the early 90s as a city letter
• 35:36
  carrier. And if any of y'all remember,
• 35:39
  back then it was just all mail. We had no packages we could
• 35:43
  deliver out of Jeeps. Remember that you could just,
• 35:45
  you could take. Yeah, you could put 10 trays of
• 35:49
  flats in those Jeep. Hit three up front, you'd get 3
• 35:54
  in the bottom, then one on each side and then stack two in the
• 35:57
  middle. Remember how you used to
• 35:58
  maneuver all those flats? Well, now we don't have any
• 36:01
  flats, but we get all parcels. You can never deliver out of a
• 36:05
  Jeep today. And so, yeah, that that was the
• 36:11
  difference back then. And, and so Ccas today have it
• 36:18
  much worse than we did. Even though you have GPS back
• 36:21
  then, you remember you used to have to write on a piece of
• 36:23
  paper or they had your little route maps or whatever.
• 36:26
  But they just come, they get the mail, two hampers of parcels.
• 36:31
  And you know, good luck. And it's shitty for them today
• 36:35
  and yeah, I feel for him, but to have that guy promised them all
• 36:40
  these things because you're thinking if you can at least get
• 36:43
  up to where the clerks or they're starting wages, OK, we
• 36:47
  can, we can deal with that. We can talk about that.
• 36:49
  Bump them up about 5-6 dollars an hour.
• 36:52
  And yeah, that's a good start. We'll hang in there.
• 36:55
  You gave him less than a dollar, and you know that was trifling.
• 37:01
  You actually got left in the quarter.
• 37:04
  Well, the CCA 3%, yeah, with the CCAS, I think they're starting
• 37:09
  wage has increased 90 something cents, that's what it was.
• 37:15
  Yeah. Could be wrong.
• 37:16
  I know it's yeah, I know it's left in the dollar.
• 37:19
  The the 1.3% at their, their previous was, you know, left in
• 37:23
  the quarter. Yeah, yeah, we all got the 1.3.
• 37:28
  That was that was the story. It was the same thing.
• 37:31
  And like I said, a lot of people coming out defending that shit.
• 37:35
  We're saying, hey, this is what we've always gotten.
• 37:37
  Then you will always get it. Yep, Yep.
• 37:40
  Why? Why go to arbitrary?
• 37:41
  Why do anything just have a standing 1.3?
• 37:46
  We don't have to worry about any of this shit.
• 37:48
  We don't have to worry about 700 days of getting fucked over.
• 37:52
  Just say it's going to be a 1.3% and let it be that.
• 37:55
  If that's what we've always gotten and you don't want to
• 37:57
  fight for anything more than that, just say hey, from now on,
• 38:00
  every year we'll get 1.3 and we'll solve a lot of a lot of
• 38:05
  heartache. But at some point the city
• 38:08
  letter carriers, the rural carriers are going to have to
• 38:11
  stand the fuck up and say, hey, we've had enough of it.
• 38:14
  We deserve more than that. Look at what we're doing.
• 38:16
  Y'all were talking earlier about the people that are dying on the
• 38:18
  streets. Nobody else has to deal with
• 38:20
  what we deal with. You don't see a clerk dropping
• 38:23
  dead in the office from the heat.
• 38:25
  You they don't have to worry about hydrating.
• 38:28
  They don't have to worry about scanner messages.
• 38:31
  They don't have to worry about any of these things with the
• 38:33
  rule carrier, city letter carriers.
• 38:34
  We deal with it every single day.
• 38:36
  Every day we're putting our life on the line for something.
• 38:39
  Arrow keys, whatever. Nobody else has to do with that.
• 38:43
  Yeah, dogs. Exactly.
• 38:45
  Hell, we got dog bite awareness time, You know, for us.
• 38:49
  Y'all do the same but at some point both crafts are going to
• 38:54
  have to stand the fuck up and say enough is enough.
• 38:57
  Now the city letter carriers did it this time.
• 38:59
  You're going to have to get your shit together and do it.
• 39:02
  You know 14,000 people. That's an embarrassment.
• 39:06
  That's an that's that's disinterest is what that is.
• 39:10
  That's disinterest in your craft.
• 39:13
  Distant interest in your home life.
• 39:15
  If you're going to say that I'm not even going to vote for a
• 39:18
  better livelihood, come on now. Shit, what are we doing as a
• 39:24
  rule carrier craft? What are you doing?
• 39:27
  If you got 14,000 people going to come in here and say whatever
• 39:31
  y'all want to do to us, do it. You got how many y'all have in
• 39:34
  y'all's craft 150A? 130. 132 last Yeah a. 132 you
• 39:42
  had 14,000 say I give a damn, that's what you had 14,000 of
• 39:48
  all those said I give a damn about my and and it got voted in
• 39:51
  right. Yes it did, and yes it.
• 39:55
  So you had 14,000 vote that said however many voted saying I want
• 40:00
  to continue to be in the soup line.
• 40:03
  That's what y'all had. I want to continue to eat soup.
• 40:07
  67%. 67% said keep feeding me soup, I'm fine with it. 67%
• 40:15
  that's fucking pitiful. And then all the others that
• 40:17
  don't even give a damn. Like you said, don't bitch about
• 40:21
  it. Now you had your opportunity to
• 40:23
  stand up and say we want steak, we want better.
• 40:27
  You had an opportunity to do that.
• 40:29
  You chose to sit to fight out. Well, if you chose to sit it
• 40:32
  out, don't stand up. Now I want to fight somebody.
• 40:35
  You had the opportunity. You chose to sit down.
• 40:38
  Anybody who sits down needs to stay sitting because y'all
• 40:41
  didn't want to stand up when the time was right.
• 40:43
  And so, yeah, the city letter carriers on this one stood the
• 40:47
  fuck up. And we said, hey, that's not
• 40:49
  going to be enough. Our president, unfortunately,
• 40:52
  said, yeah, it is. His ass will be gone.
• 40:54
  That's the cost of that for him. It will cost him his job and
• 40:58
  he'll be gone. And so yeah, y'all are going to
• 41:01
  have to get to somebody beating the drums for y'all and tell
• 41:05
  y'all's craft stand up. We've been trying your brain.
• 41:10
  Corey. Sorry, James, go ahead.
• 41:14
  Be careful. I want to know what some of the
• 41:21
  strategies would be to get people that have and I've heard
• 41:24
  this said by carriers. Oh, I've heard about y'all's
• 41:27
  union. You're that union.
• 41:29
  How would you suggest get through the apathy, the bad
• 41:34
  feelings? What's?
• 41:36
  An extract to get. People over.
• 41:39
  That is tough because like I said, back in the the late 80s,
• 41:44
  my dad was bitching about it. It's that long.
• 41:48
  Y'all have been the laughingstock of the unions.
• 41:50
  Now we are that. Now the NALC.
• 41:52
  Is that because we're incompetent at best?
• 41:56
  Y'all just stayed the same. You know, y'all's leadership has
• 42:01
  forgotten their way and definitely forgot where they
• 42:04
  come from. But it's about getting on the
• 42:08
  workroom floor, whether a city letter care is engaging y'all or
• 42:14
  everybody engaging each other and saying enough is enough with
• 42:18
  this. But somebody's got to get
• 42:21
  y'all's interest piqued. Somebody's got to do it.
• 42:24
  Whether it's new leadership. I know y'all got people running
• 42:27
  for president against the glad y'all got now.
• 42:31
  You know, at some point somebody's got to be that
• 42:34
  champion, my champion captain, my captain, Somebody's got to be
• 42:38
  that for y'all and got to get that word out and say, hey,
• 42:42
  there is hope, there is hope. Look, Corey, let let me let me
• 42:47
  correct you there. It's not that our leadership
• 42:50
  forgot where they came from. They just don't want to go back
• 42:54
  to where they came from. That's the problem, and it seems
• 42:58
  to. Me like if they didn't want to
• 42:59
  go back that they'd be fighting for y'all because the first way
• 43:01
  back is not fighting. Yeah.
• 43:05
  And then you then you have the National Steward system, which
• 43:07
  is the centralized Gestapo for the national board.
• 43:12
  And there again you have created an entity that is off their
• 43:16
  routes and they don't go back their routes and they don't want
• 43:19
  to go back their routes. But we in the last couple years
• 43:22
  have had a turnover with DRS and ADRS who are either part time or
• 43:26
  full time get removed because of the fact that executive
• 43:31
  committee people caught them not doing their jobs.
• 43:34
  Not that the National Board itself.
• 43:37
  Now the the the problem with and and this this I hold dear to my
• 43:41
  heart. The problem with the apathy in
• 43:44
  the rule carrier raft is the fact that we have an evaluated
• 43:48
  system where everybody is out for themselves.
• 43:52
  If John Blow gets his route, his eight hour route done in 5 1/2
• 43:57
  hours, he hits, shits, gets and goes home.
• 44:01
  He doesn't care about anybody else because he's getting paid
• 44:03
  for his whole evaluation. And then, then, then you got the
• 44:07
  people who are overburdened or struggling and they're the ones
• 44:11
  who are considered, you know, lingerers mount mount
• 44:15
  malcontents because of the fact that they, they can't do the
• 44:18
  route. Well, you know, when your route
• 44:20
  is evaluated at 67 hours and you're paid for 57.36, guess
• 44:25
  what? You're going to be over
• 44:26
  evaluation once in a while. But it, it, it all goes back to
• 44:32
  each, each route is individual to itself.
• 44:35
  Each individual is unto themselves.
• 44:37
  And they really don't give a shit about the union as a whole.
• 44:42
  They don't understand that the concept of being in a union is
• 44:46
  for everybody. Like, like I've said, if they go
• 44:50
  after a non union member for an infraction, they're going to
• 44:53
  come after a union member. If they get away with it.
• 44:57
  Yeah, they will come after everybody when they get away
• 45:00
  with it, because now they see a weakness, a chink in the armor.
• 45:05
  Somebody says you can't fight every fight, you better step up
• 45:08
  and fight every fight because of soon as you back down they've
• 45:11
  got you by the balls. Yeah, yeah.
• 45:15
  And I say all the time, you got to love each other.
• 45:20
  And I anytime I do a stand up at my station and I talk to my
• 45:24
  carriers, I say the reason that management can't come in here
• 45:29
  and fuck with y'all is because y'all legitimate love each
• 45:32
  other. And if you love each other,
• 45:34
  you're going to fight for each other.
• 45:36
  You're going to do whatever it takes to win if you love each
• 45:39
  other. And that's what I tell my people
• 45:40
  on the podcast, Love each. At the end of the day, love each
• 45:43
  other. Everything else will work out.
• 45:46
  I know that sounds cliche. Everything else will work out if
• 45:49
  you just love each other. Because when you do, you will do
• 45:53
  whatever it takes to protect each other.
• 45:55
  We have the establishment. Y'all have it, we have it.
• 45:59
  They don't love the craft, they love their money.
• 46:03
  And so that's the reason we're in the shape we're in now.
• 46:06
  It's because of that. You've got to get an
• 46:08
  establishment, you got to get people in place that actually
• 46:11
  love the craft, love the city letter care, love the rule
• 46:15
  letter care, and those things that will start just like I
• 46:20
  talked about the tentacles, when you talk about cowardice, we
• 46:22
  have cowardice in our leadership and those tentacles reach down
• 46:26
  to the business agents, to the state presidents, branch
• 46:29
  presidents, and that cowardice will overrun your craft and the
• 46:35
  leadership love will do the same.
• 46:39
  If you love us, you get people in place that love the city
• 46:42
  letter care. You get people in place that
• 46:44
  love the rule letter carriers. Those tentacles will also reach
• 46:47
  down. And when you get that on the
• 46:49
  working floor, you start protecting each other.
• 46:52
  Rather than ridiculing each other, targeting each other,
• 46:54
  singling each other out, you'll start loving each other,
• 46:58
  protecting each other. So when they try to, you know,
• 47:01
  separate and conquer those few, everybody else comes in and say,
• 47:05
  hang on, that's my family. Hang on just a second.
• 47:08
  That's my people. Hey, you know, that's what we've
• 47:11
  got to get back to. And that's what the city letter
• 47:14
  care is starting to come around to is when you saw that vote for
• 47:17
  the TA, that's love. That's the message that you keep
• 47:21
  sending out to your people. Love each other, protect each
• 47:24
  other. That's what that was.
• 47:26
  That was people going against the establishment.
• 47:28
  They're saying, hey, enough is enough.
• 47:31
  You know, we've got to love each other.
• 47:32
  That's what the rule letter carriers have got to do.
• 47:34
  The rule carriers have got to say we, we're going to work on
• 47:38
  love. I know that sounds silly, but
• 47:42
  you got to love each other. If you want to do whatever goals
• 47:45
  y'all have, it starts with that. It starts with love.
• 47:49
  And I will say that all over the day, everywhere I go.
• 47:53
  Love you, love each other, you educate each other.
• 47:57
  Everything else will fall into place.
• 47:59
  Y'all's issues now are y'all for too long have loved yourselves.
• 48:04
  When you talk about evaluated routes.
• 48:07
  Hell, I'm getting out of here, getting back at noon, Gone.
• 48:09
  I'm gone. And you know everybody else can
• 48:12
  go to hell. You know everybody else to be
• 48:13
  damned. I'm going to take care of mine
• 48:16
  and I'm out. But that's not a union.
• 48:18
  That's the exact opposite of that, the exact opposite of
• 48:23
  union. Is that me, myself.
• 48:26
  If I think about me and myself, I'll be all right.
• 48:29
  That's not how we do 1 Aggrieved, we're all aggrieved,
• 48:32
  1 harmed, we're all harmed. That's the true meaning of
• 48:35
  union. And when you get that down,
• 48:37
  that's what the city letter carriers have found, is that 11
• 48:41
  harmed. We're all all harmed.
• 48:43
  I don't give a damn if it's in California.
• 48:46
  If they're doing something to them, the people in Florida
• 48:49
  better be fucking raising hell about it.
• 48:52
  And that's where we're at right now as the city letter care.
• 48:54
  When we're talking about this movement, when we're talking
• 48:57
  about this phenomenon that's going on right now with the city
• 48:59
  letter care, craft it. All it is is love.
• 49:02
  As simple as that. All it is, is love.
• 49:06
  The letter carriers have stood up.
• 49:08
  They said we're going to protect ourselves.
• 49:10
  We're going to do this ourselves because we love each other.
• 49:13
  Our union, our agent has failed US time and time again.
• 49:18
  We will take over this union next year, but until then, we'll
• 49:21
  educate each other. You see it on social media,
• 49:23
  especially with this heat. They're out helping each other
• 49:26
  during this process, different things like that, trying to help
• 49:30
  each other with grievances and and things.
• 49:31
  And so, yeah, that's where the rule letter carriers have got to
• 49:35
  get. The rule carriers have got to
• 49:37
  say above all else, evaluated routes or not, we've got to love
• 49:43
  each other. And and when you do that, y'all
• 49:46
  get the right people in place at National, y'all get the right
• 49:51
  the right people in place that are going to fight for better
• 49:53
  wages, win or lose, win or lose all.
• 49:57
  And I don't know how you are, but as see there carries.
• 49:59
  All I want to see is you fight from me.
• 50:02
  We will lose that. That's going to happen.
• 50:05
  We will lose. Did you fight?
• 50:07
  If you fought, I got you. I got you.
• 50:09
  We will ride wherever if if you fight for me, if you don't,
• 50:14
  that's where we are right now with our leadership, Renfro and
• 50:16
  Barner. If you don't, we're going to
• 50:18
  vote your sorry ass out and we will put people in place that
• 50:21
  will fight for us. We will not always win.
• 50:25
  You're going to go forward in your contract and say hey, this
• 50:28
  is what we deserve. This is what we are due.
• 50:33
  Arbitrator, give it to us or not.
• 50:35
  If I know that you win in front of an arbitrator and said, look,
• 50:38
  this 1.3, no, Sir, This is why we're different.
• 50:43
  This is what we do differently. We don't sit on a stool and and
• 50:47
  stick letters in a in a case. We don't throw parcels, we don't
• 50:53
  hand out mail. This is what we do different.
• 50:57
  And This is why we deserve substantially more than the
• 50:59
  others. And my son is a clerk.
• 51:01
  So I mean, you know, I want the best for him.
• 51:04
  But do we do the same? Absolutely not, Absolutely not.
• 51:09
  So you got to get people in place.
• 51:11
  I know I've gone off on a rabbit trap hill, but you got to get
• 51:13
  people in place that understand your value.
• 51:19
  What are we worth as a crap? What is the rule carrier worth
• 51:21
  as a as a craft Fight for that. When you go in there and they
• 51:26
  say, well, you know, past 10 Contra y'all got 1.3%.
• 51:30
  Does that sound good to y'all? Hell yeah, we'll take it.
• 51:33
  That's what you'll get until y'all go in and say here's the
• 51:36
  books, here's the data, here's the figures, the numbers, here's
• 51:42
  what y'all lost money because you're very incompetence.
• 51:45
  Here's where y'all have one supervisor for every 10
• 51:48
  carriers, unlike back in the day where there's one per every 20.
• 51:51
  You got too much fat. And this is what we'd be taking
• 51:54
  it from an arbitrator because we deserve so much better, but we
• 51:58
  deserve more pay than supervisors and managers.
• 52:00
  They don't do near what they did.
• 52:01
  If you put something in front of an arbitrary, and this is what
• 52:04
  supervisors did just 10 years ago and look at the difference
• 52:08
  of what they do now, we need less of them than we had in the
• 52:11
  past. We got two times more.
• 52:14
  But yeah, what was the question? Let him roll, let him roll.
• 52:21
  Let him roll. Was that?
• 52:22
  Hey, let me ask a question again.
• 52:24
  I'll get I'll answer it. Hurry, you, you hit the nail on
• 52:28
  the head. I say at every podcast at the
• 52:31
  end that we are all in this together.
• 52:34
  And what is the most important part of all of this is that
• 52:38
  these rural carriers need to understand that we are all in
• 52:42
  this together and we are alone in this.
• 52:45
  As rural carriers, we have to fight for ourselves and we have
• 52:50
  to fight for this crap, and we have to fight against somebody
• 52:57
  who thinks rural carriers have had it too good for too long.
• 53:01
  And rural carriers who lost 56% of rural carriers lost money on
• 53:07
  the first REC evaluation. And his response to that was
• 53:11
  rural carriers are finally getting paid rightfully for the
• 53:15
  work that they do. That doesn't sound like a man
• 53:19
  fighting for this crap. That sounds like somebody
• 53:22
  fighting for management. That's management.
• 53:25
  If you look at our, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but if you look
• 53:28
  at the arbitrator's decision, the one that Nolan sent out,
• 53:34
  look at management's position. That's exactly what you just
• 53:38
  said, almost verbatim. Almost verbatim what you just
• 53:42
  said is what, what your, your person just said.
• 53:46
  That's what management said. NRTA when when the arbitrator
• 53:50
  came out with this decision, he said here's Labour's position,
• 53:54
  the services position, here's the union's position, Read Read
• 53:58
  Labour's position, the services position.
• 54:01
  That's what your president just said.
• 54:03
  Yeah, didn't, didn't Teleno almost word for word with
• 54:06
  Matson. That's almost identical.
• 54:09
  Swear to God, if you go look at it, it's it's saying that
• 54:12
  they're getting what they are do.
• 54:15
  Well, not just that, on the on the news, on the usps.com
• 54:19
  website, Teleno said the exact same wordage that was said in
• 54:23
  the Nolan Award, that was said by our our current president.
• 54:27
  He said the same thing in in the news broadcast of the world
• 54:32
  contract ratification. It's crazy to think that these
• 54:39
  three people, Renfro, Mastin, and Teleno are all saying the
• 54:44
  same exact things. It's almost as if they wrote the
• 54:47
  script together. Yeah, well, hey, I think they're
• 54:52
  all in it together, somebody getting a kickback.
• 54:55
  It's got that. They're not that incompetent.
• 54:58
  They're not. You look at you look across this
• 55:01
  country at the contract coming in for these other companies,
• 55:07
  landmark decisions. I mean, they're get these
• 55:09
  contracts are absurd and good for them.
• 55:11
  I wish they'd get $1000 an hour. I don't care if the companies
• 55:15
  can support it, get it. And then you look at us, it's
• 55:18
  the exact opposite, complete sellouts.
• 55:24
  Well, Corey, let let me interrupt you, Corey, because
• 55:28
  we're in United States Postal Service.
• 55:30
  We're not a for profit account corporation answering to
• 55:34
  stockholders and the board and the CEO ADA, yadda, yadda,
• 55:38
  yadda. We do more than they do.
• 55:42
  I mean, you know, go, go back to 2018 when Amazon really started
• 55:47
  to kick us in the ass. And then we go through all of
• 55:50
  COVID now, the city carriers, they got paid by the hour.
• 55:54
  The rule carriers were working over their evaluation almost
• 55:59
  every day of the fucking week. And you know what we got for
• 56:03
  overtime? Jack shit.
• 56:08
  And and then, and then they call us essential workers, but we
• 56:12
  weren't entitled to essential work pay.
• 56:15
  Yeah, yeah, my, my son's a paramedic and got $18,000.
• 56:20
  Yeah. What kind of hazard, what kind
• 56:23
  of hazard did the royal carriers get during that time exactly?
• 56:26
  Well, I got, I got twice, twice as much as James did so.
• 56:31
  Oh really? That's good, I got probably 4
• 56:36
  times what y'all did. Table 2 versus Table one on the
• 56:40
  Royal Craft right there, what Bill just said.
• 56:44
  Because 4 * a zero is 0. But yeah, it's and all of that
• 56:52
  when you look at the COVID and, and just the sheer slap in the
• 56:57
  face on the tape. No recognition, no recognition
• 57:02
  from anybody. You know, I've had my president
• 57:04
  go in front of Congress talking about shit.
• 57:05
  No recognition whatsoever, no plea.
• 57:09
  If I'm if I'm a president, I'm pleading compensate on
• 57:13
  something. Y'all want to y'all want to send
• 57:16
  out all these kits with my people who are in the Direct
• 57:19
  Line of it. I mean, the front line is the
• 57:23
  city. Let nobody else is as frontline
• 57:25
  as we are. You got doctors and then they
• 57:28
  get the cases that come in. We're out there going door to
• 57:31
  door every single day, door to door.
• 57:34
  And you know, so we're on the front line of it.
• 57:37
  We are the front of the front line and delivering these packs,
• 57:41
  these COVID kits and all these things.
• 57:44
  Never missing a day. Management still trying to
• 57:47
  discipline us if we get sick when they told us stay sick if
• 57:51
  you're, if you're sick, stay home.
• 57:53
  Still trying to discipline us during that period of time for
• 57:57
  'cause you know, when it came out, remember nobody knew what
• 58:00
  was going on. We were scared to death.
• 58:02
  Nobody had a clue what what is COVID?
• 58:04
  It's killing people. You see all this stuff in the
• 58:07
  media and so we're terrified. Still coming to work, still
• 58:11
  going out there, still putting ourselves at risk even though
• 58:14
  nobody can tell us what this is. And what kind of appreciation
• 58:18
  did we get? Nothing.
• 58:19
  Not a damn cent. Not even recognition you.
• 58:23
  You may have had some people come out.
• 58:25
  We appreciate y'all for your service.
• 58:26
  Well, we appreciate that. Thank you.
• 58:29
  Y'all Remember when UPS went on strike in the nine years ago,
• 58:34
  years and years ago? And FedEx, what'd they give
• 58:38
  them, 3%, a little, 3% bump, a little check for 3% during that
• 58:43
  period of time. Y'all remember that?
• 58:47
  I do. I'm old enough though.
• 58:48
  Yeah, yeah. UPS goes on, UPS goes on strike.
• 58:53
  And we were hammered because remember, we didn't have
• 58:56
  packages back then. So we're getting 100 times the
• 58:59
  packages we get because we didn't get packages.
• 59:02
  So we're getting all of UPS stuff, we're delivering that.
• 59:06
  FedEx is picking up the, you know, slack as well.
• 59:10
  And if I'm not mistaken, I'd have to look at it, I think that
• 59:15
  they gave them 3% of their salary.
• 59:17
  They gave them as a bonus. Do y'all remember what we got?
• 59:21
  A pack of lifesavers. Swear to God, they came around
• 59:25
  to our station and went to each city letter care and they gave
• 59:29
  us a roll of lifesavers and told us you are lifesavers.
• 59:35
  Y'all have saved the Postal Service from getting all this
• 59:38
  extra revenue. We, we received all this extra
• 59:42
  billions because of y'all. Here's your lifesaver.
• 59:45
  And so look at COVID. They will show you what you're
• 59:49
  worth. They will show you how much they
• 59:51
  appreciate you in times of crisis.
• 59:54
  And so they all go to hell as far as I'm concerned.
• 59:58
  And you know, and you get this TA, no recognition whatsoever
• 1:00:01
  for the city letter carrier. Look at y'all, no recognition
• 1:00:04
  for the rural carriers. As far as anything.
• 1:00:07
  And so at some point the rule carriers are going to say enough
• 1:00:12
  is enough. I can go home at noon, true
• 1:00:14
  enough, enough is enough. My family deserves better
• 1:00:19
  because of me coming to work every day in harm's way.
• 1:00:22
  The shit that I do. My family deserves better.
• 1:00:25
  I deserve better. We deserve a better livelihood.
• 1:00:30
  Until y'all stand up, y'all just going to keep bitching and keep
• 1:00:34
  having podcasts. We are saying woe is me, your
• 1:00:37
  craft is going to have to stand the fuck up and say enough is
• 1:00:42
  enough, enough is enough. We're going to put leadership in
• 1:00:47
  place that fights for us. We don't have that.
• 1:00:51
  Y'all don't have it. We don't have it.
• 1:00:54
  Until y'all get it, then we can get on here and bitch all the
• 1:00:58
  time. But y'all got to start a
• 1:01:00
  movement. The city letter carriers did,
• 1:01:03
  and like I say, next year our agent will reap the whirlwind
• 1:01:09
  for what they've done to us. We will make them pay.
• 1:01:13
  Y'all got to do the same. So a question was asked in the
• 1:01:19
  in the chat. You know, previously it's been
• 1:01:22
  said that we they can't compare us specifically to specific
• 1:01:25
  companies. What is a company that you think
• 1:01:29
  an arbitrator would compare us to now because previously they
• 1:01:33
  said they couldn't compare us to UPS because we handled too much
• 1:01:36
  mail? No.
• 1:01:39
  If you look at the in 1970 Postal Reorganization Act, it
• 1:01:46
  says no such thing. There's no such clause.
• 1:01:48
  It says comparable work. And so who, who do we compare
• 1:01:52
  with? If I'm going in now, I'm going
• 1:01:54
  to say UPS makes this. We do more than UPS.
• 1:02:00
  Nobody can tell me different. They deliver packages for a day.
• 1:02:05
  You know, we're out there delivering mail packages in
• 1:02:07
  December. They get help.
• 1:02:11
  Y'all see them in their trucks. The people that you normally see
• 1:02:13
  every day, they got another person in there helping.
• 1:02:15
  We don't get that. We just get another footnass
• 1:02:18
  during December. And so that's what I'm going to
• 1:02:21
  go by is the Postal Reorganization Act.
• 1:02:25
  This is comparable work Who who compares to me?
• 1:02:29
  That's what I want. I read a federal court decision
• 1:02:36
  from a federal court judge. I had an arbitration up in
• 1:02:42
  Kingsport, TN and the arbitrator awarded a monetary award.
• 1:02:48
  It was over $207,000. And the Postal Service tried to
• 1:02:52
  vacate this decision. So they take it to court and
• 1:02:55
  they said the arbitrator overreached, you know, their
• 1:02:59
  boundary. They, they went outside the
• 1:03:00
  contract. They didn't have authority to,
• 1:03:02
  to grant that. And the arbitrator, and I mean,
• 1:03:05
  the, the judge, the federal judge wrote that Congress has
• 1:03:12
  basically treats the Postal Service like a private company.
• 1:03:17
  They're no different. And they've lost the right to
• 1:03:22
  say that they can't be sued. They can sue and be sued because
• 1:03:26
  Congress has has separated them from the federal government.
• 1:03:30
  And so there are things out there that we can say, look, we
• 1:03:34
  are run differently. We are federal government, true.
• 1:03:37
  We received no tax money, true. But there's so many things in
• 1:03:41
  place to say we deserve better and and we can get better.
• 1:03:47
  Congress has agreed with that. The Postal Reorganization Act
• 1:03:50
  has agreed with that. Our problem is, is you got
• 1:03:54
  massive fat in the Postal Service.
• 1:03:58
  It's federal. There's going to be fat.
• 1:04:01
  You got to find it. And our problem is we're on
• 1:04:05
  worst enemy. We have lazy negotiators.
• 1:04:10
  Mine wanted to call himself a skillful negotiator and he got
• 1:04:13
  fucked over for 700 days. And so, yeah, our issues are we
• 1:04:17
  have people that refuse to get in that fight, refuse to do the
• 1:04:21
  homework, the hard work, getting in those books.
• 1:04:25
  They refuse to do that. And as long as they refuse to do
• 1:04:28
  that, we'll get 1.3%. You cannot tell me that we do
• 1:04:36
  not deserve at least $5 more an hour.
• 1:04:40
  You can't tell me that. Can the Postal Service afford
• 1:04:42
  that? Absolutely.
• 1:04:45
  They make money hand over fist. And so the reason, you know,
• 1:04:51
  that they don't want those books is because I'm sure everybody
• 1:04:54
  dips into our purse. Congress, whoever, We got a lot
• 1:05:00
  of money going places that shouldn't be going.
• 1:05:03
  And you know, you just got to find it.
• 1:05:07
  You know you talked about USUPS and stuff.
• 1:05:10
  I actually have a friend who had a sub come do the shadow day
• 1:05:18
  before their Academy. They do orientation to their
• 1:05:21
  shadow day and quit the first day of Academy.
• 1:05:24
  That person came over from FedEx and said the job was too
• 1:05:30
  difficult compared to FedEx. So we already have proof that
• 1:05:34
  it's worth the FedEx. I've heard some people say UPS
• 1:05:37
  drivers have come over and quit because it was harder than UPS.
• 1:05:43
  Yeah, so you are right. We are.
• 1:05:45
  We are more worth more than FedEx.
• 1:05:48
  We are worth more than UPS. We're different.
• 1:05:51
  We have them. We have them leaving the Postal
• 1:05:53
  Service to go to UPS. Yeah.
• 1:05:56
  Yeah, he wasn't leaving us to get a leave.
• 1:05:59
  You don't see it the other way around.
• 1:06:01
  This is a hard ass job man. This is hard.
• 1:06:04
  They don't have to go in and listen to some dumb fool every
• 1:06:07
  morning where you're sticking mail.
• 1:06:09
  You know they go in there, have their trucks loaded and hit the
• 1:06:13
  fucking Rd. You know we have to done with
• 1:06:16
  complete idiocy when we go on to the work room floor.
• 1:06:20
  I mean complete damn buffoons and we got to deal with that
• 1:06:23
  every day. The the most incompetent
• 1:06:26
  workforce in the country is postal management.
• 1:06:30
  There is not a more incompetent workforce in this country than
• 1:06:35
  postal management. I'd put them up against anybody
• 1:06:38
  as being the worst and that's what we have to deal with.
• 1:06:43
  They're worse than that. Postal management's worse than
• 1:06:48
  that. I've never seen a more
• 1:06:50
  incompetent bunch of fools in my life than postal management.
• 1:06:57
  I I swear they do more and more reports than they do actual
• 1:07:02
  work. Yeah, they're worth about half
• 1:07:05
  what they get. Let's not forget the telecoms,
• 1:07:09
  James. Yeah, here we go.
• 1:07:13
  Rich got a 10/30 telecom. Oh well, can't miss that, can
• 1:07:18
  you? Yeah, everybody's got to be off
• 1:07:21
  the work room floor in an hour, so that way they can get on
• 1:07:24
  their telecoms and nobody on the work room floor can hear them.
• 1:07:28
  How about getting the How about getting the fucking mail to the
• 1:07:30
  carriers? How about that?
• 1:07:32
  How about getting the parcels done?
• 1:07:36
  Yeah. Oh yeah, there's a lot.
• 1:07:37
  There's a lot of things that can be done, you know, But they
• 1:07:43
  won't do them and the union won't fight for it.
• 1:07:47
  But there's a lot. You talking about heat.
• 1:07:49
  There's a lot of things to be done to help the city.
• 1:07:51
  Letter care, help, rule letter cares and the heat.
• 1:07:54
  Everybody wants to talk. We were talking about that
• 1:07:56
  earlier. Everybody wants to go in front
• 1:07:59
  of ocean talk, go in front of the Congress and talk.
• 1:08:02
  Everybody talks, Everybody's talking and we're out here
• 1:08:06
  dying. All that talk hasn't lowered the
• 1:08:08
  degree one time. Not once has it to grow.
• 1:08:12
  Lowered the degrees outside. All this talk.
• 1:08:15
  We're still dying on the streets and these motherfuckers have
• 1:08:18
  been talking for 30 years about the heat, about air conditioning
• 1:08:22
  and vehicles. All they do is talk.
• 1:08:25
  The only ones who suffer is the craft.
• 1:08:29
  You've not seen a union person fall out dead from the heat.
• 1:08:32
  You've not seen management. Well you had them last year and
• 1:08:35
  that raised hell because some full last district manager told
• 1:08:39
  a supervisor to go sit in the back of a vehicle and do a 3999
• 1:08:44
  ride in the in the summer. How stupid is that?
• 1:08:48
  You cannot use. I don't know how y'all are, but
• 1:08:50
  you can't use summer data against us.
• 1:08:52
  June, July and August you can't use it.
• 1:08:54
  Why would you put somebody in the back?
• 1:08:55
  One of those death traps and have them ride around and they
• 1:08:58
  died. Corey, I will say this, they can
• 1:09:02
  use the data against us and Bill and James chime in and they can
• 1:09:05
  call get us on 2080 or 2240 for taking too long.
• 1:09:11
  Really. So they can't use now they can,
• 1:09:14
  they can try to do that, but if you're doing a 3999, you're
• 1:09:17
  trying to do an evaluation, why would you do that?
• 1:09:20
  You can't use June, July and August against if I'm taking too
• 1:09:23
  long, if these individuals are taking too long.
• 1:09:25
  But these are blanket policies. Go out each week and do a 4584
• 1:09:30
  or a 3999 ride each week. Go out and do one.
• 1:09:33
  Why? Why are you doing that?
• 1:09:35
  To try to intimidate us and bully us.
• 1:09:36
  Now, look, one of y'all's is dead because you're a dumbass.
• 1:09:40
  And so, yeah, but all these people talking, all you have is
• 1:09:44
  talk. Everybody talks.
• 1:09:48
  All they do is talk. And we're dying while they're
• 1:09:52
  talking. At some point somebody's got a
• 1:09:55
  foot in somebody's ass and say that's all the talking we're
• 1:09:59
  doing. These are the mandates.
• 1:10:01
  We're going to tell our carriers when it gets to a certain
• 1:10:03
  threshold outside, come back, quit delivering, we will deal
• 1:10:09
  with that. I'd much rather put in an
• 1:10:12
  information request for your discipline than a phone call to
• 1:10:16
  get flowers for your family. I'd much rather do that.
• 1:10:21
  And that's where we're at. We've got people out there dying
• 1:10:27
  and everybody's talking. The union's going to have to
• 1:10:30
  say, here's what we're going to tell them.
• 1:10:33
  If it gets to a certain threshold, come back.
• 1:10:35
  Don't risk it. You got management now that
• 1:10:38
  won't even send out a last dispatch.
• 1:10:40
  It'll sit there all night. They'll tell carriers, hey, at
• 1:10:43
  5:00, just bring the mail back. What for?
• 1:10:46
  I need to go home. That's happening.
• 1:10:49
  Oh God, oh oh baby, I just. Opened up a can of worms right
• 1:10:57
  there. Oh God, let him go.
• 1:11:01
  Go bail. Go my son.
• 1:11:03
  My son's got 4 O clock soccer. I got to go get them.
• 1:11:07
  Yeah, it's happening. Your son's not going to die on
• 1:11:11
  the soccer field unless the the coach is as bad as postal
• 1:11:14
  management. Shut the hell up.
• 1:11:17
  Oh shit. Yeah.
• 1:11:20
  And and you know what? It it, it's sad because this
• 1:11:24
  year they already had one supervisor that had to go to the
• 1:11:27
  hospital for heat prostration in the back of an LLV after having
• 1:11:31
  one dying, you know, last year. And I know a, a supervisor, you
• 1:11:36
  know, well, no, I see personally.
• 1:11:39
  And they were, they were requested to go out and do you
• 1:11:42
  know, a, a route audit and they said, Oh, no weapon way.
• 1:11:47
  So they wanted to, you know, to write the person up.
• 1:11:49
  But since they're the OIC and there's nobody else in the
• 1:11:52
  office to him, they, they kind of for go, go, go the, the
• 1:11:57
  discipline in that regards. But this person turned around
• 1:12:01
  and said, are you kidding me? I said, a carrier's coming back
• 1:12:04
  and, and it's got 114° on their phone inside the truck.
• 1:12:10
  Another carrier comes back with a picture of 126° inside their
• 1:12:15
  truck. Yeah, we're in Pennsylvania.
• 1:12:17
  We're not even in Texas or Arizona or New Mexico.
• 1:12:21
  We're in Pennsylvania. Yeah.
• 1:12:23
  So. So what the hell do you think
• 1:12:24
  those people are going through? Yeah.
• 1:12:26
  Yeah, you're right. Fuck them, fuck them, you know
• 1:12:29
  you. This job is not worth your life.
• 1:12:34
  No they will. They will find another body to
• 1:12:37
  put in your place tomorrow and won't even blink you.
• 1:12:41
  You die in somebody's yard, the rest of your route's going to
• 1:12:43
  get delivered. Oh hell yeah.
• 1:12:46
  It's just not going to sit there.
• 1:12:48
  It'll get delivered. And so there's too many things
• 1:12:53
  when you talk about start times, you can, you can move them to
• 1:12:55
  sick. We don't have the mail then.
• 1:12:57
  But in the mail you do have sent out and the mail that comes in,
• 1:12:59
  that'll be the next day's mail. You had the postmaster general
• 1:13:02
  say we're not worried about standards any longer.
• 1:13:06
  Two days, three days, first class, all those things help.
• 1:13:10
  Express Mail don't even have a standard anymore.
• 1:13:11
  Don't have a time anymore, just 6:00 whenever.
• 1:13:16
  What the hell? If y'all don't care, why should
• 1:13:17
  we? So the mail that comes in, if
• 1:13:20
  we're gone, that'll go out tomorrow and just miss a day of
• 1:13:23
  mail. Bring us in at six.
• 1:13:27
  Too many things we can do. Stick your DPS if you want.
• 1:13:30
  So I don't know if y'all heard, but when I was on the National
• 1:13:33
  Safety committee, I went at the area safety manager's name was
• 1:13:39
  Bruce Getz and we were talking and that's all they do is talk
• 1:13:43
  safety or whatever. What are we going to do?
• 1:13:45
  And I said how about start somewhere like none of them
• 1:13:48
  stick to DPS because you know you're not supposed to touch
• 1:13:51
  that. That's sacred.
• 1:13:52
  Don't touch that. Let them stick to DPS.
• 1:13:54
  That's work that they can do in the office, in the air
• 1:13:57
  conditioning that they don't have to worry about on the
• 1:13:58
  street. Those markets can be dealt with
• 1:14:01
  in here rather than having to mess with all those whole orders
• 1:14:03
  and all that shit out on the street.
• 1:14:05
  Do that. If it saves them 20 minutes,
• 1:14:07
  that's 20 minutes outside that 130° that you just talking
• 1:14:10
  about. Yep.
• 1:14:11
  Do that and they said can't do that, Bob says.
• 1:14:14
  They're worried about our efficiency.
• 1:14:17
  It will always be about the numbers to them.
• 1:14:20
  It'll always be about the numbers.
• 1:14:24
  That's the least efficient you can get.
• 1:14:27
  And so they don't give a fuck. They don't care about your
• 1:14:30
  safety. They don't care about your life.
• 1:14:32
  They care about their money. Unfortunately, the union has
• 1:14:36
  turned into the same thing. The union only cares about your
• 1:14:40
  money. And I always say this, the city
• 1:14:42
  letter carrier has been abandoned by the Postal Service,
• 1:14:46
  who All they care about is money.
• 1:14:48
  And our agent, our union, has abandoned us because now all
• 1:14:52
  they care about is money. We got a president that's
• 1:14:55
  spending us in the bankruptcy night.
• 1:14:57
  Right now, all they care about is money and what are we doing?
• 1:15:02
  We're dying. We're trying to help each other
• 1:15:05
  get through the summer, educating each other as far as
• 1:15:07
  city letter carriers, how to protect each other.
• 1:15:11
  And we got a union that's rogue, that's spending us into
• 1:15:15
  oblivion. We got postal management
• 1:15:18
  incompetent as shit. The service cares about money
• 1:15:22
  and money only. And where are we at standing
• 1:15:26
  down here on the floor, hand in hand, arm in arm, fighting for
• 1:15:31
  each other. And we'll remove all these son
• 1:15:33
  of a bitches next year in this vote.
• 1:15:35
  Y'all got to do the same thing? Now.
• 1:15:38
  Corey and and Corey's right in regards to the money, James,
• 1:15:42
  because our president and other national officers sat there and
• 1:15:46
  said if everybody joined in the NRLCA, we'd have another 17 to
• 1:15:51
  $18,000,000 to promote postal policy.
• 1:15:54
  In regards to the crafts bullshit, we've got five people
• 1:15:58
  on the national board making almost $200,000 in salary living
• 1:16:03
  in 8 to $900,000 homes that we've done paid for.
• 1:16:09
  So don't tell me it it, it's not about the money.
• 1:16:12
  That's that's the only thing it's about.
• 1:16:14
  It's it. Yeah, that's it.
• 1:16:17
  And last last year at National Convention I had passed up a
• 1:16:22
  resolution where our PTS who are only guaranteed 2 routes a week
• 1:16:29
  would pay only a set amount of dues.
• 1:16:33
  Halfway between RCA and regular. Right now they're currently
• 1:16:37
  paying regular carrier dues. Carriers that work 5 or 6 days a
• 1:16:40
  week dues when they're only guaranteed 2 days a week.
• 1:16:46
  But of course they put the financial numbers on there.
• 1:16:49
  How much it would cost them with the current PTF even though
• 1:16:52
  because of lack of hiring due to low wages, we're getting more
• 1:16:58
  and more PTS and formula offices and so PTS are becoming more
• 1:17:03
  prevalent. We could have made that money up
• 1:17:04
  with the number of PTS that are coming into the system, but
• 1:17:07
  they're too short sighted on the current money to see future
• 1:17:12
  monies that are going to be coming in and how participation
• 1:17:16
  in the union could increase because the carriers are looking
• 1:17:18
  at their paycheck. Hey, I shouldn't be paying the
• 1:17:20
  union that's 30 bucks a paycheck when I could be 30 bucks in my
• 1:17:26
  paycheck where I can actually go and afford food and stuff like
• 1:17:29
  this. You know it, It's one of those
• 1:17:31
  things, and I know we have less PTS than we did last year, but
• 1:17:35
  they're starting to. The big management push that
• 1:17:38
  I've been hearing a lot lately is Formula office, Formula
• 1:17:41
  office, Formula office, which means more PTS management has
• 1:17:45
  been pushing for that for several years now since we
• 1:17:49
  brought on the PTF and Formula Office position.
• 1:17:52
  And yeah, because people don't want to work here even at PTF
• 1:17:56
  wages. But to your point, Corey, about
• 1:18:00
  your carriers being out on the street a lot longer, You know my
• 1:18:05
  fight that I talked about in in the opening where the the
• 1:18:09
  postmaster told me to take my DPS to the street.
• 1:18:12
  I will tell you this. I, I have cased my mail, cased
• 1:18:16
  it all, pulled it down, took it to the street.
• 1:18:18
  I have taken DPS to the street and I will tell you my flip flop
• 1:18:23
  method that I use flopping every other address saves me two hours
• 1:18:31
  on the street from fingering through the mail.
• 1:18:37
  It cost me an hour in the office, so I'm still one hour
• 1:18:43
  under the time it would take me to take DPS to the street.
• 1:18:46
  Now I'm wondering why they don't do that with city carrier,
• 1:18:49
  because one that would keep you in the air conditioning a lot
• 1:18:52
  longer and cool. And then to add on to that, when
• 1:18:58
  my neighbor across the street from my parents was a rural
• 1:19:00
  carrier, and I actually went to work with her one day and
• 1:19:05
  watched her work and I had to be up at 3:00 in the morning to be
• 1:19:08
  in there at 4:00 in the morning so she could start casing her
• 1:19:12
  route. And she left for her route at
• 1:19:15
  7:00 in the morning. I'm wondering why is it that
• 1:19:19
  we're getting mail so late now when back then we were getting
• 1:19:25
  it at 43 o'clock 4:00 in the morning at all these offices?
• 1:19:29
  Why is it that our mail is getting there so late these days
• 1:19:33
  with digital sorting and processing of our mail system,
• 1:19:40
  you know, from not only our DPS but also our parcels that come
• 1:19:44
  from from the plant. Why can't we find a way to get
• 1:19:48
  management to push these numbers back down to 4:00 in the
• 1:19:52
  morning? So carriers can come in at five,
• 1:19:54
  6:00 in the morning, be out of the office eight, 9:00 in the
• 1:19:58
  morning, and be back into the office by one 2:00 in the
• 1:20:02
  afternoon just as it's starting to get to the hottest part of
• 1:20:05
  the day. Yeah, and like my man said, you
• 1:20:08
  know, and those that want more can get more if that's what you
• 1:20:12
  want. You know, those we have those
• 1:20:14
  that they survive on overtime and they're probably like, oh
• 1:20:17
  shit, you know, if I'm back, you know, seven O 1.
• 1:20:20
  If I'm seven O 1 everyday, I'm gonna mess on it over.
• 1:20:23
  Well, you know, there's still those in place, things in place
• 1:20:26
  where you can get all the time you want as long as you protect
• 1:20:29
  yourself in this heat. But there are those that say,
• 1:20:32
  hey, in this heat, June, July and August, I want to be gone.
• 1:20:37
  I want to be in the air conditioner in my house.
• 1:20:39
  There are things that we can do to help them.
• 1:20:40
  We just don't we don't want to talk too damn much.
• 1:20:42
  Like I said, there are things that we can do.
• 1:20:45
  When you talk about coming in at six and they say the mail's not
• 1:20:49
  here, well then start us in at 6, whatever we got to take that.
• 1:20:54
  The mail that comes in, you'll just start that the next day and
• 1:20:57
  then the next day and the next day and the next day and so.
• 1:21:01
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:21:03
  Well, how you made back in the day, you said that you've been
• 1:21:05
  here a long time. You remember back in the day
• 1:21:07
  they would stage it like that. You've.
• 1:21:10
  Come in. How many?
• 1:21:12
  How? When's the last time you saw a
• 1:21:13
  color coat? Yeah, I'm not saying one in a
• 1:21:16
  year. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:21:17
  Remember back then you'd have purple, yellow, orange, all that
• 1:21:22
  green and purple? Yeah.
• 1:21:24
  Purple, blue and green. Yeah.
• 1:21:26
  And you'd say this goes today, that goes tomorrow, this goes
• 1:21:30
  today. So they're not concerned about
• 1:21:31
  that. So just do that.
• 1:21:34
  All you're missing is that you're just kicking it a day.
• 1:21:36
  That's it. You don't have, like I said, you
• 1:21:38
  don't have any standards any longer.
• 1:21:40
  The Postmaster General, the joy took those away.
• 1:21:43
  Exactly. True.
• 1:21:44
  So there, there's a lot of things if we care, if we're
• 1:21:49
  interested. To to help the other.
• 1:21:53
  The other thing about the DPS, you know, running late and on,
• 1:21:56
  you don't mind leaving the DPS for vacant routes, but damn it,
• 1:22:01
  you better get them parcels out. Yeah.
• 1:22:03
  So don't tell, Don't tell me. Yeah, don't tell me you have a
• 1:22:08
  urgency for DPS, because it doesn't matter anymore.
• 1:22:12
  Yeah, all of a sudden we care about it when it comes to our
• 1:22:15
  safety. But how many times y'all just
• 1:22:17
  seen a come back from to the station?
• 1:22:19
  Just a route sitting there, didn't get delivered.
• 1:22:23
  Not a drop. But during the summer we can't
• 1:22:27
  do anything to help y'all out. This is ultra important now that
• 1:22:30
  we get the smell out every single day.
• 1:22:33
  Your your health. The most important thing.
• 1:22:36
  The hell? We don't give a fuck about that.
• 1:22:39
  We need to get this mail out. We Corey, we, we got a new
• 1:22:44
  postmaster in 045 years ago and this guy was such a piece of
• 1:22:50
  shit that 18 career carriers resigned and retired within 60
• 1:22:57
  days. God Dang.
• 1:23:00
  They had anywhere from 14 to 26 routes of DPS sitting there
• 1:23:06
  every day because of the shortage.
• 1:23:11
  Everybody was doing parking loops for the parcels, the hell
• 1:23:14
  with the mail, until finally one day somebody came in and raised
• 1:23:20
  hell and every supervisor had to take routes out the next day for
• 1:23:24
  the next three days to catch up. And then, then they were
• 1:23:29
  bringing Ccas in from offices all around just to maintain
• 1:23:33
  until they could hire more. But they didn't give a shit
• 1:23:37
  about those damn routes. You know when when the parcels
• 1:23:40
  were there they had to go and routes sat there for days.
• 1:23:44
  Yeah, yeah. You got to.
• 1:23:53
  Rural carriers, we're an inconvenience is all we are, but
• 1:23:56
  we're an inconvenience to them and so and I wish that our union
• 1:24:02
  was an inconvenience to management.
• 1:24:04
  I wish that they would be that What the hell they're in,
• 1:24:08
  they're in bed with them. Son of a bitches so.
• 1:24:12
  Now, Corey, I have a probably not a good question, but do you
• 1:24:17
  know how many city carriers we've lost so far this year?
• 1:24:22
  If I'm not mistaken, is it four or five?
• 1:24:28
  I know. That we lost.
• 1:24:30
  One in Texas and Colorado there. There's two in Texas.
• 1:24:35
  Colorado. Why am I thinking 5?
• 1:24:39
  Why am I thinking that? I thought I saw that somewhere
• 1:24:43
  the other day, but I know that there's one in Colorado, 2 in
• 1:24:46
  Texas. I know that I've had several
• 1:24:49
  people reach out about those that have been taken to the
• 1:24:52
  hospital already. They're nice to you.
• 1:24:55
  So it's daily, you know, we're going to come.
• 1:24:59
  Go ahead. From the heat.
• 1:25:02
  Yes, yes. Because.
• 1:25:07
  Sometimes it doesn't matter what you do, you can do everything
• 1:25:12
  humanly possible to protect yourself.
• 1:25:15
  You can do everything imaginable.
• 1:25:16
  You can hydrate all these things, you know, put the hat
• 1:25:20
  on, water the cold tiles, compressors and things, and it's
• 1:25:26
  still going to get you because the heat is a killer.
• 1:25:31
  What about that one carrier that sent a message via scanner to
• 1:25:36
  management about feeling ill? Got no response, They called
• 1:25:40
  911. They ended up taking her to the
• 1:25:42
  hospital. And when you get back to the
• 1:25:44
  office at 6:00 PM, supervisor, like, what are you doing?
• 1:25:48
  Yeah. Didn't you check the message?
• 1:25:50
  And they eat Peter at. Yeah, put on emergency placement
• 1:25:53
  for calling 911. See, those are things and I
• 1:25:56
  talked about this, when I become EVP, James Henry becomes
• 1:25:59
  president, those are things that will get my attention.
• 1:26:03
  If you want the spotlight, I will give it to you.
• 1:26:08
  I will bring the full force of the NAFC on that individual.
• 1:26:13
  You have a person putting somebody on EP that had to call
• 1:26:16
  911. So what is that message?
• 1:26:19
  What is that message to everybody else in that station?
• 1:26:22
  What if I call 911 because I'm overcome?
• 1:26:24
  They're going to put me on. I can't afford to be off the
• 1:26:26
  clock for a week or however long.
• 1:26:28
  I'll just keep going. What's that message?
• 1:26:30
  We have to send a message. We have to send a message to
• 1:26:34
  management. That shit won't be tolerated.
• 1:26:38
  If I got to go get every news camera in that city and come
• 1:26:42
  meet that manager on the back dock and talk about it.
• 1:26:46
  If I had to send two or three teams in there to stay in there
• 1:26:50
  a week and watch their process. If I've got to get the district
• 1:26:54
  manager on record, his opinion of that so that they can be drug
• 1:26:58
  into arbitration, I'm going to do it.
• 1:27:02
  These managers that separate themselves from the pack that do
• 1:27:05
  that. These they're saying you only
• 1:27:06
  get one break in the heat and I'm going to talk about that
• 1:27:09
  tonight on mine. It's still going on.
• 1:27:11
  We, we don't get, we don't get extra breaks in the heat.
• 1:27:14
  Those individuals will get my attention.
• 1:27:16
  And when you get my attention, like I said, you want the
• 1:27:19
  spotlight, I'm going to give it to you and I'm going to keep it
• 1:27:21
  on you and we'll see if you can take that heat.
• 1:27:24
  They cannot, I promise you, they cannot take the full force of
• 1:27:28
  the NALC as it will be when James Henry takes over.
• 1:27:32
  It will be a new day. As far as going after management
• 1:27:35
  retribution. I don't know if you heard me
• 1:27:37
  talking about the consequence. We will be the consequence of
• 1:27:41
  management's actions as far as that put someone on emergency
• 1:27:44
  placement because they called 911, because they were overcome
• 1:27:48
  by the heat, because y'all wouldn't respond to a message.
• 1:27:53
  Yeah. If we we send you a message, you
• 1:27:57
  better respond. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:28:02
  Yeah, be back by 5:00. What if I get back at six and
• 1:28:05
  say, I didn't see your message? You're still going to get
• 1:28:08
  discipline. You're going to get an
• 1:28:09
  investigative interview. You know, we, we, we talked to
• 1:28:13
  y'all through these MDD devices. But hell, I was talking to y'all
• 1:28:16
  too. I was overcome with the heat.
• 1:28:17
  They don't give a fuck. You're an inconvenience.
• 1:28:20
  Like I said. Well, hell, if I send somebody
• 1:28:22
  out there that's going to adjust my hours and I've already turned
• 1:28:24
  in my hours for the day, I might have to answer that tomorrow.
• 1:28:27
  So I'll just ignore that message.
• 1:28:30
  Well, now you become an inconvenience because you called
• 1:28:32
  911. Now they got to fill out all
• 1:28:34
  these forms to get you compensated and all this shit
• 1:28:38
  and where was your mail sitting out to see you abandon your mail
• 1:28:41
  and we're an inconvenience. Our union has got to start being
• 1:28:46
  an inconvenience to these motherfuckers in management.
• 1:28:49
  I I thought that was the greatest slap in the face,
• 1:28:52
  reading that you abandoned the mail.
• 1:28:57
  Yeah, motherfucker, I almost died and you worried about the
• 1:29:01
  damn mail? Yeah.
• 1:29:03
  Yeah. Well, it's the it's the same.
• 1:29:07
  It's the same as that carrier that got EP now for his Nike
• 1:29:12
  report for a situation that occurred back when he was just
• 1:29:18
  starting out as a carrier. And they resolved the situation,
• 1:29:23
  they disciplined them, they grieved it.
• 1:29:25
  It got reduced and now they ET them for the exact same thing,
• 1:29:29
  which basically is double jeopardy, all because they're
• 1:29:32
  they're their new new thing is the Nike report and finding ways
• 1:29:38
  to get rid of carriers that way since obviously the odds didn't
• 1:29:41
  work too well for them. Yeah.
• 1:29:45
  I mean, it's like everything they do, they try to find ways
• 1:29:48
  to get rid of carrier and increase the number of
• 1:29:51
  management. It's time for these unions to
• 1:29:56
  come down on them with a combined effort.
• 1:30:00
  We have 6. 170. 1000 people in this Postal Service 630,000
• 1:30:06
  voices that could come down on this management and shut them
• 1:30:11
  down. You ever seen the movie The
• 1:30:13
  Warriors? Yeah, exactly.
• 1:30:17
  Remember when they all met? Yep.
• 1:30:20
  And, and you had the man say, Hey, we outnumber everybody.
• 1:30:25
  We Mary said, can you dig it? Him, you know, and that's what
• 1:30:31
  he was saying. Look, we can run all this if we
• 1:30:35
  get together, if we, if we are united together, these unions,
• 1:30:39
  if we do that, we can run this. Our problem is y'all going
• 1:30:45
  y'all's way. You got about 10% involvement.
• 1:30:48
  We're going our way. All right, we finally got
• 1:30:50
  involvement, but our leadership is piss poor.
• 1:30:53
  APWI don't know what they're doing.
• 1:30:56
  It looks the hell they got 100% cola.
• 1:30:59
  At least, you know, we didn't get that.
• 1:31:01
  And but so somebody's fighting for something over there.
• 1:31:05
  They know what they're doing. And but just imagine, like you
• 1:31:10
  say, if the unions would quit, you know, shitting on us and say
• 1:31:15
  we're going to unite with each other and we're going to start
• 1:31:20
  dictating things on this workroom floor.
• 1:31:22
  We're going to start dictating things in Washington.
• 1:31:25
  We're going to go in front of Congress and the Senate.
• 1:31:27
  We're going to go over to the presidents, whether you like
• 1:31:29
  them or not, you got you got four years of them.
• 1:31:31
  We're going to start doing things, letting the public know
• 1:31:34
  who we are and what we do. That's what your union should be
• 1:31:39
  doing rather than spending us into oblivion, rather than being
• 1:31:44
  at the local bars till 2:00 in the morning, they need to be at
• 1:31:48
  their ass in the office busting that ass for us.
• 1:31:51
  And they're not. But you're exactly right.
• 1:31:54
  Imagine the power of that. Just like in the Warriors when
• 1:31:57
  he said all of this, we outnumber the cops 5 to 1,
• 1:32:02
  whatever the number was. I can't remember.
• 1:32:03
  I had to go back and watch it. But he's exactly right.
• 1:32:07
  You want to run things? Get your unions to be united.
• 1:32:10
  Y'all have to be united as a, as a, as a carrier craft.
• 1:32:14
  The rural carriers have got to be united.
• 1:32:16
  Y'all got to stand up at some point if you want change and the
• 1:32:20
  city letter carriers are stood up.
• 1:32:21
  We're going to make change next year.
• 1:32:23
  And yeah, yeah, a great point. Unite with each other.
• 1:32:29
  We could make change this year to start going that direction.
• 1:32:35
  Yeah. Our up for election.
• 1:32:38
  I'm running for it. We could make change this year,
• 1:32:43
  yes, And that change could push into the next year when you guys
• 1:32:47
  take over and the CLC takes over.
• 1:32:51
  James Henry becomes president. And James Henry and I can work
• 1:32:55
  together to push the management to be in line, to be militant,
• 1:33:01
  to do their job, to follow the contract and protect the city
• 1:33:06
  and rural letter carriers. Yeah, that should be our only
• 1:33:09
  concern. That should be the number one
• 1:33:12
  concern, protecting our people. I would love it.
• 1:33:17
  I would love it. Y'all got to get up and do it
• 1:33:18
  though, yeah? Y'all got to get up and
• 1:33:21
  delegates to do it and that is is on every single rural letter
• 1:33:24
  carrier to speak with the delegates that are going to
• 1:33:27
  National Convention. That is for the alternate
• 1:33:30
  delegates who didn't get the delegate nomination to come to
• 1:33:35
  National Convention and be a voice for the rural carriers on
• 1:33:39
  the working floor to push these delegates to vote for the change
• 1:33:44
  that the carriers need. It's time for every single rural
• 1:33:48
  letter carrier in this craft to stand up like the city carriers
• 1:33:51
  did and are going to do when the CLP gets elected next year.
• 1:33:57
  And that is the point we here on this podcast are pushing for
• 1:34:02
  carriers to be educated, for carriers to stand up for
• 1:34:05
  themselves, for carriers to stand up for this union.
• 1:34:08
  Corey's doing that on from 8 arbitration along with several
• 1:34:11
  other podcasts out there. And that is the change that
• 1:34:14
  needs to come across this entire organization, including the
• 1:34:19
  APWU, including the mail handlers, every single craft.
• 1:34:23
  It's time for us to stop eating scraps.
• 1:34:27
  Yes, spot on. I couldn't have said it better
• 1:34:32
  myself. At some point, it has to be that
• 1:34:36
  time, and there's no better time to present for y'all.
• 1:34:39
  Y'all got this year. Yeah, at some point, the rule
• 1:34:44
  carriers are going to say enough is enough.
• 1:34:47
  We've got to make a change. Like I said, brother, you know,
• 1:34:52
  whether you win it or not, as far as the contract, as far as
• 1:34:55
  what you're proposing, as far as what you're asking for, as long
• 1:34:59
  as your people know that you're in there fighting your ass off
• 1:35:01
  for them. That's all I wanted.
• 1:35:04
  All I wanted was for Renfro to fight.
• 1:35:07
  He probably would have made it. Maybe not, but you know, he
• 1:35:10
  would have had a better chance at making it if he would have
• 1:35:12
  just fought. If all these things he's talking
• 1:35:14
  about, all these promises, saying it, you know it's going
• 1:35:17
  to be a 9% increase or else we're not going to settle for
• 1:35:23
  anything less than 9%. That's what he's telling us.
• 1:35:26
  So we're thinking, damn, go in there and fight for that.
• 1:35:28
  Brother, we're with you and 1.3, you know, ended up being 3.9.
• 1:35:34
  What happened to the 9%? We're not going to settle for
• 1:35:37
  anything less than 9%. You missed the period at the
• 1:35:40
  beginning of the nine. You missed the period at the
• 1:35:42
  beginning. It was 3.9.
• 1:35:44
  So yeah, he said 9 but he missed the .9.
• 1:35:47
  Yeah, he missed the three-point, but yeah, he it's that type of
• 1:35:52
  shit. I'm talking about the city
• 1:35:54
  letter carriers want to see you fight.
• 1:35:57
  That's it. I always see these memes come
• 1:36:00
  across. If it's 1% chance to win fight,
• 1:36:04
  fight. If you got 1% chance to win,
• 1:36:06
  fight. Anyway, that's what I've always
• 1:36:08
  said. You fight.
• 1:36:10
  And so that's what y'all need your mindset.
• 1:36:14
  Look here we're going to we're going to evaluate, we're going
• 1:36:17
  to look at everything. What are we worth to us not to
• 1:36:20
  management, not to the public. What are we worth to us on a
• 1:36:23
  working floor? That's what I want to propose.
• 1:36:27
  What are we worth? We worth five more dollars an
• 1:36:30
  hour. Then that's what I'm going to go
• 1:36:32
  in there and say my, my negotiations with management
• 1:36:35
  would be one day when we sit down and say what are, what are
• 1:36:38
  the starting things? Well, we're going to need five
• 1:36:41
  more dollars an hour. Well, we can't do that.
• 1:36:43
  Get ready for arbitration 'cause I can't go below that because my
• 1:36:48
  people deserve that. If you say they don't go in
• 1:36:51
  there and show an arbitrator why they don't, I think I can show
• 1:36:54
  them why they do. That's how it's not 700 days.
• 1:36:58
  It won't take 700 days if I say that the CCA craft needs to be
• 1:37:03
  abolished, but we need an all career workforce.
• 1:37:08
  He said that it's going to be an our career workforce or it's a
• 1:37:10
  non starter. Well, to me when you say that,
• 1:37:12
  that means it won't start the the first day you go in there
• 1:37:16
  and you say, hey, before we start, I need an all career
• 1:37:19
  workforce. Can't do it.
• 1:37:21
  We're going to see y'all in arbitration because that's what
• 1:37:24
  I told my people. That's what he told us.
• 1:37:28
  My Ccas need a substantial raise, a substantial starting
• 1:37:31
  increase. We can give them $0.90, Brother,
• 1:37:34
  get ready. We'll see you on arbitration
• 1:37:37
  because they deserve that. That's where you are at,
• 1:37:40
  brother. That's where you are at.
• 1:37:42
  What does the royal carrier craft?
• 1:37:44
  What do y'all deserve? We deserve this.
• 1:37:47
  Then that's exactly what I'm going to go in there and tell.
• 1:37:50
  Them well, well, Corey, I, I, I, I think you're confused because
• 1:37:55
  the the post office doesn't know how to manage money.
• 1:37:58
  And I'll give you a a big, for instance, first hand knowledge
• 1:38:02
  Wayne, PA, SD and C last year tore up the parking lot and this
• 1:38:09
  is close to AA12 acre facility. Tore up the parking lot, dug the
• 1:38:16
  ditches, laid in the conduit ran the lines for 130 plus electric
• 1:38:22
  NGDVS put put the fill the ditches OK put up the concrete
• 1:38:29
  columns to protect the the the charging stations re repave the
• 1:38:34
  entire parking lot which at least 6 acres of it with parking
• 1:38:39
  lot. They're going to get the NGDV
• 1:38:42
  electric vehicle right? Wrong.
• 1:38:46
  As of Saturday did they delivered 8 gasoline powered
• 1:38:51
  NGDVS? There's 162 in a storage lot
• 1:38:58
  waiting for dispersal to other offices as soon as they can find
• 1:39:01
  enough people to train the carriers on how to drive them.
• 1:39:06
  So you spent millions of dollars with a brand new transformer
• 1:39:11
  direct off the power lines, charging stations, repaving the
• 1:39:15
  parking lot and everything, and you're not bringing the electric
• 1:39:19
  vehicles in? Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:39:22
  They depend on grievance payouts.
• 1:39:24
  Yes. And I, I, I don't know whether
• 1:39:26
  or not they canceled the electric aspect of the vehicles
• 1:39:30
  that there's some reports that they have or have not, but you
• 1:39:34
  put in 130 charging stations and you're bringing gasoline powered
• 1:39:38
  vehicles in. Yeah.
• 1:39:40
  Well, you I think I heard where this new administration has
• 1:39:43
  canceled that the electric. Vehicle.
• 1:39:46
  Yeah, I thought I heard something about it too, but you
• 1:39:48
  know, I, I can't prove it. I would sue them.
• 1:39:51
  And and I was they took. That back.
• 1:39:55
  You spent millions on these stations and you're delivering
• 1:40:00
  gas powered vehicles. We don't have the we don't have
• 1:40:06
  the brightest among us, leading us.
• 1:40:08
  OK, we they're not. They're not the brightest.
• 1:40:12
  They resended that that the removal of the electric vehicles
• 1:40:15
  because of it cost the post office $1.5 billion to cancel
• 1:40:19
  it. Yeah.
• 1:40:20
  Yeah, that's fine. I would sue for that.
• 1:40:23
  That's that's the same way when they cancelled the 50 extra FSS
• 1:40:26
  machines after the mail volume started declining.
• 1:40:31
  And it's almost like you came in at the tail end of flat and said
• 1:40:33
  we're going to do FSS. Yeah.
• 1:40:36
  And that no foresight. That was funny because in 2001,
• 1:40:41
  in our office, we were noticing the decline when they started to
• 1:40:44
  institute that. And we're sitting there going
• 1:40:46
  no, no, no, we don't. We don't.
• 1:40:48
  We don't need these machines. And what, in less than 10 years,
• 1:40:52
  they were shot to hell. Now the plants got transformed.
• 1:40:55
  Into billions of that. Yes, thank God they had the big
• 1:40:59
  buildings for those machines because they turned around and
• 1:41:02
  turned them into parcel authority offices.
• 1:41:05
  Dumbasses. Where's that pre funding on
• 1:41:08
  retirement? Where's that money?
• 1:41:10
  Oh yeah, Ask Congress for that give.
• 1:41:16
  Us that back and we'll be all right.
• 1:41:18
  Then fucking thieves. They, they dipped in our
• 1:41:22
  pocketbooks. Like I was saying, you know, the
• 1:41:24
  money's out there if you want to get in those books and say, hey,
• 1:41:28
  from 20 years ago, where's our money been going?
• 1:41:30
  And this whole time y'all kept the essential worker at poverty
• 1:41:34
  level and y'all have spent billions and billions and
• 1:41:38
  billions on what? And we, the workers, the ones
• 1:41:42
  who touched the mail, have been kept on at poverty level.
• 1:41:47
  Where's our money? You could be paying us so much
• 1:41:50
  more, but you can't, you won't. Where's the money you got to get
• 1:41:55
  in those, those books? And I would go back.
• 1:41:59
  And so here's, here's where they've wasted all this and
• 1:42:02
  you're going to tell me that you can't give me more than 1.3?
• 1:42:06
  Come on, UPS can give theirs 50. Where's mine?
• 1:42:13
  Where's mine? And you know, but like I said,
• 1:42:16
  you'll have those that are in their pockets on social media,
• 1:42:19
  you know, well, we, you know, we've always got this, then you
• 1:42:22
  will always get it. You know, if that's your
• 1:42:26
  position, then you'll always don't even get into contract
• 1:42:29
  negotiations. Just tell me, hey, I, I just go
• 1:42:31
  and give me that 1.3 and save us a lot of time and money.
• 1:42:35
  But you got to get somebody, you got to get a champion.
• 1:42:39
  Alright, Josh, you can call for a while.
• 1:42:42
  You got anything for Corey? Want to come to National
• 1:42:46
  Convention in Orlando to really pep up the crowd?
• 1:42:49
  I'm going to try, brother. I'm going to try.
• 1:42:51
  I've got my I'm serious. I'm going to cry.
• 1:42:53
  OK, OK. I got a table you can stand at
• 1:42:57
  if you want to be there. I I got to get my schedule.
• 1:43:02
  What the James and I are going all over the country, but if I
• 1:43:06
  can make it, I promise you I'll be there.
• 1:43:09
  James can come too. I'm sure he'd love to.
• 1:43:14
  Oh. I can't speak for him, but.
• 1:43:18
  That that that would make a great convention.
• 1:43:21
  Oh. My goodness, will they let me
• 1:43:25
  in. Hey, you know what, I'll I'll
• 1:43:29
  motion to suspend the rules so you can speak.
• 1:43:31
  You're a guest, though You're a guest there though you could.
• 1:43:36
  You're allowed to accepting the business session as a guest.
• 1:43:41
  Well, like I said, I promise you if I can make it, I'll make it.
• 1:43:47
  Yeah. And then you have you'd you'd
• 1:43:50
  have some asshole like Bill may turn around and ask for a
• 1:43:53
  suspension of the rules for you to speak.
• 1:44:01
  I'd do it. All right, guys, we're going,
• 1:44:07
  we're going on hour and 45 minutes already our time we
• 1:44:13
  start wrapping this. Up, this is normal for me I
• 1:44:21
  guess. Start going man.
• 1:44:22
  It's like 3 hours later you're like well let me get into my
• 1:44:25
  topic. Yeah.
• 1:44:29
  No, I've loved it. We need to do this more often,
• 1:44:31
  man. Yes.
• 1:44:34
  So Corey, we usually do this on every podcast.
• 1:44:37
  We want your final thoughts on this episode.
• 1:44:39
  What, what? What is your message you want to
• 1:44:42
  give to the rural carriers listening to this?
• 1:44:45
  Yeah, you got to stand up at some point.
• 1:44:48
  At some point, rule letter carriers, rule carriers, you've
• 1:44:52
  got to stand up or it will always be this way.
• 1:44:57
  You want to stand in the soup line forever?
• 1:44:59
  Stay with what you got. Stay with the status quo.
• 1:45:02
  And I promise you that's what you're going to be, OK.
• 1:45:05
  You want to stay at poverty level?
• 1:45:07
  Stay with what you got. That's an easy fix.
• 1:45:10
  You don't have to do a damn thing.
• 1:45:12
  How about 14,000? Vote on your next contract, vote
• 1:45:16
  on your next TA. You want to stay where you're
• 1:45:18
  at, Do that. You are in good shape.
• 1:45:20
  But if you want to make a difference, if you want to make
• 1:45:22
  a change, you got to stand up eventually.
• 1:45:25
  You got to pick your captain and say this is the one, this is the
• 1:45:30
  one who's going to lead us forward, that's going to fight
• 1:45:34
  for US. Win or lose, win or lose fight.
• 1:45:38
  You got that one. You got that captain.
• 1:45:40
  He's telling you here on this episode, I'm standing up for
• 1:45:44
  you. I'm going to do it.
• 1:45:46
  I'm going to take that over. You got to get rid of this
• 1:45:49
  establishment. We're doing it next year.
• 1:45:52
  You got to get rid of the establishment, those who have
• 1:45:54
  forgotten where they've come from.
• 1:45:57
  It's about one thing and one thing only.
• 1:45:59
  The craft, the rank and file. It's about one thing and one
• 1:46:04
  thing only. As soon as y'all get that in
• 1:46:06
  y'all's heads, you'll make a change.
• 1:46:08
  You got to love each other above everything else.
• 1:46:12
  Above everything else, it's love.
• 1:46:15
  You love your your people on the floor nationwide when you talk
• 1:46:20
  about 1 harmed or all harmed, you got to love each other.
• 1:46:24
  You want a revolution, You want a phenomenon that they're
• 1:46:27
  talking about. You want a movement, love each
• 1:46:30
  other and rule cares. You can do it.
• 1:46:34
  Hey, you are no different than we are other than you are
• 1:46:37
  evaluated. But y'all can do it.
• 1:46:40
  It's just a matter of somebody standing up saying, hey, look, I
• 1:46:44
  will take this flag. I will take it.
• 1:46:48
  Get behind me. I got this and you got that
• 1:46:51
  person. He's he's on this episode here
• 1:46:53
  today. And so that would be my thing,
• 1:46:56
  man. Y'all want to talk about getting
• 1:46:57
  this movement going together? I'm all for it.
• 1:46:59
  I'm EVP James Henry and I we're we're down with it.
• 1:47:04
  Y'all want to come on board and let's do this together.
• 1:47:06
  I'm telling you now that'll happen.
• 1:47:08
  I'm telling you now. That's my word.
• 1:47:10
  We'll do that. We will change the work room
• 1:47:14
  floor, we will change the environment on the working
• 1:47:17
  floor, and together we will change the culture of these
• 1:47:21
  unions to get back to doing what we're supposed to be doing.
• 1:47:24
  The agent representing the carriers, that's what we could
• 1:47:29
  get back to and we'll do it. Y'all do it.
• 1:47:32
  Y'all do it. But if I can say one thing, I'd
• 1:47:34
  say those 5 right there. Josh, your final thoughts?
• 1:47:48
  Well, I can't really add more than what Corey said.
• 1:47:52
  I will say this, it's hot y'all make sure you're hydrating, make
• 1:47:59
  sure you're wearing that seat belt.
• 1:48:01
  Make sure that you're the captain of your own ship when
• 1:48:03
  you're out there in that vehicle.
• 1:48:05
  If you don't feel good, call somebody.
• 1:48:07
  If they try to write you up, great.
• 1:48:09
  Have fun with that one. Yes it I don't want to see one
• 1:48:15
  more carrier perishing in the seat or being injured. 1 is too
• 1:48:20
  many. So next week hydrate hydrate
• 1:48:28
  hydrate. Make sure you got your
• 1:48:29
  sunscreen, wear your hat and if you feel overcome by the heat,
• 1:48:34
  call somebody because you are the most important delivery at
• 1:48:37
  the end of the day. Doing Bill's line there.
• 1:48:45
  Bill, go ahead. Your final thoughts?
• 1:48:47
  Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna smack the shit out of them for
• 1:48:49
  stealing my trademark there. Bring it on.
• 1:48:56
  You remember, Remember, us old people, we don't run.
• 1:48:58
  We just shoot. OK, Well, Corey Corey's right.
• 1:49:04
  And he echoes the the fact that, you know, you have to love each
• 1:49:07
  other, OK. And that reminds me of being a
• 1:49:11
  local steward. You don't have to like the Rep
• 1:49:13
  person you represent. You can despise the person that
• 1:49:17
  you represent. But in that position as the
• 1:49:21
  steward, you are there to protect them.
• 1:49:24
  And in doing so, you're protecting the craft, You're
• 1:49:26
  protecting everybody. So you might not want to call it
• 1:49:30
  love. You might not want to call it
• 1:49:31
  due diligence. You might not want to call it
• 1:49:34
  fair representation. But when you sign that dotted
• 1:49:37
  line, as the local steward, you are their protection and you
• 1:49:43
  have to throw everything in your personality away in regards to
• 1:49:47
  the individual you're representing because you're
• 1:49:50
  enforcing it for the entire craft, not that individual
• 1:49:53
  alone. It's going to be hot.
• 1:49:56
  Everybody's going to, you know, turn around and hydrate.
• 1:50:00
  Everybody says, you know, if you feel woozy, get out of that
• 1:50:03
  truck because it's at least 20°, you know, cooler outside of the
• 1:50:07
  truck, even in the sun. Protect yourselves.
• 1:50:12
  You know, you are the most important delivery of the day.
• 1:50:15
  No phone calls should be made. No flowers should be sent
• 1:50:20
  because of a misjudgment in regards to your situation.
• 1:50:26
  If you don't feel right, pull over, cool down and call
• 1:50:30
  somebody. Yeah, whether I like you or not,
• 1:50:34
  I don't care that you do what you have to do to protect
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  yourself to get home to your loved ones.
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  Yeah, we, we, we, we've had a great program tonight.
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  And and Corey's articulated very well about standing together.
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  And that's, that's a fact, Whether you want to call it love
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  or whatever, we have to stand together.
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  You know, united we stand, divided we fall.
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  It's always easier to pick off the individual than it is to
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  take on a group. And that's what we have to do.
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  We have to learn to come together as somebody would say,
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  we're all in this together and we are even I am at even
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  retired. I'm still in this 5-6 days a
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  week talking to people I am in then messaging, texting because
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  I don't stop you guys. And you know you've been the
• 1:51:30
  better part of my life. And you know whether I like you,
• 1:51:34
  not your family. I don't like everybody in my
• 1:51:37
  family and vice versa. Not everybody in my family likes
• 1:51:41
  me, but you guys are family to me.
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  Keep in mind, you are the most important delivery of the day.
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  Be safe, be professional, be efficient.
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  Get home to your loved ones at the end of the day.
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  James. Thank you guys all for
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  participating, especially Corey. Appreciate you coming on on this
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  one. You know, we're, we're coming up
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  on July 4th, Independence Day, the day we stepped away from
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  tyranny. And people who were not
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  representing us for our best interests, they were
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  representing them for a single person's interest, the crown.
• 1:52:24
  And here we are with leaders who wear crown, think they're the
• 1:52:30
  most important person in this entire union because their title
• 1:52:34
  is president. It's the same title as a king.
• 1:52:38
  They think they control everything, they're responsible
• 1:52:41
  for everything, and they're the only ones that can make the best
• 1:52:44
  decisions for this craft. No, the people of this craft are
• 1:52:50
  the ones that make best decisions for this craft.
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  United together. That is why we have national
• 1:52:59
  conventions. That's why we have state
• 1:53:00
  conventions is so our people have the chance to step up,
• 1:53:05
  stand up and say what direction they want this craft to go.
• 1:53:10
  And it is time for this craft to do that.
• 1:53:13
  It's time for us to stand up, show our independence as a unit,
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  a unified body for this craft because we are all in this
• 1:53:25
  together and whether you like a person or not, you still have to
• 1:53:30
  treat them with dignity, fairness and respect.
• 1:53:34
  You're like Bill said and Josh said, you don't have to like the
• 1:53:38
  person to defend the craft. That is the whole point of the
• 1:53:43
  steward system is to defend the craft because when 1 carrier is
• 1:53:47
  harmed, even if you don't like that carrier, all other carriers
• 1:53:51
  are harmed down the line from that.
• 1:53:55
  So you got to look out for your brothers and sisters of this
• 1:53:57
  craft. Look out for your brothers and
• 1:53:59
  sisters of the other craft. I've been a witness to clerk
• 1:54:05
  grievances in my office. We don't have city carriers in
• 1:54:09
  my offices, but I was a witness for a clerk grievance and a
• 1:54:13
  clerk's been a witness for a real grievance in my office.
• 1:54:18
  We are all in this together and we have to show up.
• 1:54:23
  We have to stand up and we have to stand up for ourselves.
• 1:54:28
  We have to file grievances. We have to show management we
• 1:54:32
  know our jobs way better than they do because 99% of the time
• 1:54:37
  we do know our jobs better than they do.
• 1:54:42
  So take care of yourself, be safe and like Bill says, get
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  home to your loved ones because you're the most important
• 1:54:50
  delivery of the day. And of course, don't get swept
• 1:54:58
  'cause it. But if you do.
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  Take a step back, take a deep breath, and then step back in.
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  Sorry, Josh had to steal your line since everybody else stole
• 1:55:07
  everybody else's but. Plagiarism.
• 1:55:10
  Plagiarism. Oh my God.
• 1:55:15
  But yeah, we will be back again next week for another episode.
• 1:55:19
  We appreciate you guys coming and listening to us.
• 1:55:22
  And again, appreciate Corey for taking time out of his busy
• 1:55:25
  schedule to join us on here. And remember, we are all in this
• 1:55:30
  together. We'll see you next week.
• 1:55:34
  May I say one thing before we close?
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  Go for it. Please be sure to check out From
• 1:55:40
  A to Arbitration and all related podcasts.
• 1:55:44
  There's several on his page, the CCA Corner and Build a Fighting
• 1:55:49
  in ALC along with others that I'm pretty sure I'm missing.
• 1:55:53
  But again, Corey, thank you so much for being on here tonight
• 1:55:57
  and my pleasure out. I look forward to more podcasts
• 1:56:00
  like this. As we, as Corey, as we say in
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  Ireland, much as grassy ass. All of.
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  It goodnight everybody. Goodnight and good luck.