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‘I Just Need to Die,’ Nashville School Shooter Tells Instagram Friend Minutes Before Shooting Begins · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Listen to these chilling words.
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Speaker 1: I'm planning to die today. You'll probably hear about me
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Speaker 1: on the news. The final chilling words by Audrey Hale,
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Speaker 1: her final messages before she shoots up a private Christian school,
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Speaker 1: taking the lives of many, including little children. Yes, the
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Speaker 1: school included elementary grade children. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at
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Speaker 1: Fox Nation and Serious X one eleven. I'm planning to
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Speaker 1: die today. You'll probably hear about me in the knee US.
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Speaker 1: So before these little children are murdered by another school shooter.
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Speaker 1: She's anticipating, Audrey Hale is anticipating being in the headlines.
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Speaker 1: Let's start at the beginning where every case starts with dispatch. Listen,
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Speaker 1: they've got a discription l y Camo and they're actually
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Speaker 1: hearing gunfire. Be advised staying out of the general area
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Speaker 1: of Burden Hills Road, Hills, Brow Pipe and turn them
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Speaker 1: back to super Mintra Midtown. Is Nachhull shooting fourth the
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Speaker 1: multiple victims down. We are turing them that show adio
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Speaker 1: traffic at this time, unknown which school or where they're transporting,
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Speaker 1: but it sounds like there's multiple victims down inside the school.
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Speaker 1: Shooting is down as now as well, multiple victims down,
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Speaker 1: they will be sending them to VUHH. This time all
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Speaker 1: radio traffic where we kept through a middimum except for
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Speaker 1: emergency situations on there. Can you imagine what running through
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Speaker 1: their minds as they realize the address they're giving out
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Speaker 1: is this little Christian school full of children. Let's go
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Speaker 1: straight to body cam listening to be first for I'm
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Speaker 1: making insta on the front side. Hands are all lockdown
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Speaker 1: and we have two kids. If you don't know where
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Speaker 1: you okay, okay, man, Yeah, we stare upstairs. Hey give me,
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Speaker 1: give me three. Let's get three joining me right now,
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Speaker 1: Special guess Peyton mused from Fox seventeen Nashville report with
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Speaker 1: Fox seventeen dot com, Peyton, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: I can only imagine what the officers are going through
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Speaker 1: at that moment, going all the way through the building
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Speaker 1: trying to find the shooter who ultimately kills so many,
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Speaker 1: including little children. How did the whole thing start? Peyton News?
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Speaker 1: So at ten thirteen in the morning, we were told
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Speaker 1: Metropolice received a call about an active shooter inside the
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Speaker 1: Covenant School. And if you don't know, the Covenant School
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Speaker 1: is in a suburban neighborhood. It is a very nice,
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Speaker 1: quiet part of Nashville. It's in the Green Hills area.
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Speaker 1: And officers entered the first story of the school began
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Speaker 1: clearing it right away. Officers heard those gunshots from the
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Speaker 1: second level, and that's when the shooter was also shooting
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Speaker 1: at police. Ten thirteen in the morning. I mean, you know,
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Speaker 1: frankly straight out to Jason Ocean's veteran trial lawyer across
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Speaker 1: the country, now located in New York, Jason, you don't
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Speaker 1: think violent crimes happening at ten o'clock in the morning,
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Speaker 1: because statistically they don't, except for school shootings. Well, that's correct.
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Speaker 1: School shootings happen sometime early. The anticipatory actions of the
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Speaker 1: shooter relative to you know, engaging do start early for
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Speaker 1: some reason. Yeah, you know, because they know that's what
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Speaker 1: all the children are there. They're all there starting at
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Speaker 1: seven thirty in the morning. It's amazing how many school
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Speaker 1: shooters strike in the morning, unlike all other crimes which
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Speaker 1: happened much later in the day or in the cover
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Speaker 1: of darkness. Guys, I want you to listen to our
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Speaker 1: cut one. Chief John Drake from the National PD. Ten
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Speaker 1: thirteen Today, officers responded to a shots five call to
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Speaker 1: Covenant School. It's a church school. All Stars immediately responded.
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Speaker 1: Team of five immediately went in the school, went to
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Speaker 1: where gunshots were being heard and engaged the suspect. We
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Speaker 1: have identified the suspect right now tendively a twenty eight
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Speaker 1: year old female white So guys, almost immediately we understand
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Speaker 1: who the suspect is, twenty eight year old Audrey Aiden
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Speaker 1: Hale and the shocker is Peyton Mused. Joining me from
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Speaker 1: Fox seventeen, Hale actually went to Covenant School. Do I
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Speaker 1: have that right? Yes? You do. They said that they
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Speaker 1: believe that she went to the school. Police confirm that
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Speaker 1: they're not too sure for how long or when she
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Speaker 1: went to the school, but that is something that Metro
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Speaker 1: Police did confirm. You know, I'm just curious and I
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Speaker 1: want to go to another special guest joining as doctor
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Speaker 1: Teresa Guil, Professors Bology and psychotherapist, Doctor Gil, if you
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Speaker 1: go to so, I mean, I wonder I wondered immediately
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Speaker 1: why target a small Christian school? But really why target
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Speaker 1: any school? But in this case we find out the
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Speaker 1: shooter actually attended the school well when they talked to
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Speaker 1: one of her classmates that she attended school with. They
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Speaker 1: interviewed her on the news and she said that she
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Speaker 1: was given a text message that I'm going to tell
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Speaker 1: myself today you will have more than enough information about
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Speaker 1: why I'm doing what I'm doing and it will make
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Speaker 1: more sense in time. So not quite sure. It's all
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Speaker 1: conjecture at this point to talking about the manifesto or
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Speaker 1: a journal that she left, and I think that's going
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Speaker 1: to detail much more. I don't know if that's a
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Speaker 1: part of if she felt socially isolated, she felt condemned
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Speaker 1: by others, if she didn't feel part of the group,
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Speaker 1: what was the angle of the rage that made her
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Speaker 1: go back to the school and target the teachers and
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Speaker 1: the children there? To Ken Trump, joining you President National
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Speaker 1: School Safety and Security Services and author of Proactive School
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Speaker 1: Security and Emergency Preparedness Planning, and boy do we need
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Speaker 1: you now. According to all the sources, Covenant School said
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Speaker 1: all their doors were closed and locked. But I find
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Speaker 1: that really hard to believe because how did the shooter
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Speaker 1: get in? And this, again is a school she attended,
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Speaker 1: which makes me wonder if she knew about some entrance
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Speaker 1: that the rest of us don't know. Again, the name
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Speaker 1: Audrey now aiden, Hell, what do you think, Ken Trump?
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Speaker 1: I think that there's obviously some grievance something that attracted
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Speaker 1: her to that particular school. With regard to the time
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Speaker 1: of day, Yes, school and shooting do happen earlier morning,
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Speaker 1: sometime as breakfast as kids arrive at nine thirty, by
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Speaker 1: ten thirty, ten o'clock, maybe up to eleven, they're actually
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Speaker 1: starting school lunch period, so you tend to have more
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Speaker 1: movement around. As far as the building itself, reports say
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Speaker 1: that the building the doors were locked and possibly confirmed
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Speaker 1: that they have shot out the glass out of the
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Speaker 1: door and stepped through. We saw that similar pattern in
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Speaker 1: Sandy Hook. I served as an expert witness and the
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Speaker 1: Civil Integation on the defense for Sandy Hook inspected that
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Speaker 1: building prior to it being taken down. It was not
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Speaker 1: the entrance doorway, but the glass next to that and
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Speaker 1: then stepped through that. Well. I did hear in that
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Speaker 1: video of the officer's body cam in school, people were
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Speaker 1: outside immediately feeding information that they knew, albeit limited to
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Speaker 1: those officers, So that was certainly helpful as well. But
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Speaker 1: it sounds like that there was some detailed planning, possibly
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Speaker 1: some surveillance of that area is certainly some diagrams of
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Speaker 1: maps and doors where there was some planning involved. Absolutely,
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Speaker 1: Ken Trump, And you're right. The school does say they
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Speaker 1: had all the doors closed and locked. She did blow out,
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Speaker 1: shoot out glass and go through the glass. And I'm
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Speaker 1: referring to Audrey Aidan Hale, aged twenty eight, who actually
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Speaker 1: attended Covenant School. Why target to school? Why target little children?
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Speaker 1: Children so young? Having no idea? What was going on? Hi? Guys,
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace here join us now on Fox Nation for
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Speaker 1: com to watch Time Stories with Nancy Grace. I want
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Speaker 1: to go to Peyton mus Joining me Fox seventeen. Speaking
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Speaker 1: of what Ken Trump just said regarding maps and planning.
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Speaker 1: Apparently maps, plans, even a written manifesto regarding what they
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Speaker 1: were doing, have been found. But what can you tell
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Speaker 1: me about these maps and these plans? So so far,
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Speaker 1: we know that there was maps drawn out of the
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Speaker 1: school in detail of surveillance regarding the Covenant School, and
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Speaker 1: apparently their teacher said yesterday that there is a second
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Speaker 1: location that the shooter was contemplating going to, but there
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Speaker 1: was too much surveillance there. We don't know that second location.
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Speaker 1: Would they have not provided that, but decided Hale decided
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Speaker 1: to go to the Covenant School because she knew there
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Speaker 1: was less surveillance there. Guys, take listen to our friends
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Speaker 1: at Fox eleven. The suspect shoots through a side door
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Speaker 1: in this surveillance video released by Nashville Police. Then you
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Speaker 1: can see the person identified by police as Audrey Hale
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Speaker 1: stepped through the door to begin her rampage. Later, the
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Speaker 1: twenty eight year old is seen pacing the hallway heavily
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Speaker 1: armed as alarms are blaring. Hale enters the church office
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Speaker 1: and then eventually heads towards another door. We then see
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Speaker 1: Hale walking past the children's ministry. Police say the shooter
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Speaker 1: was a former student at the school, so this is
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Speaker 1: a very familiar area for the shooter. The shooter went
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Speaker 1: to school here, the shooter knows the layout. They understand
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Speaker 1: how to get from floor to floor in the easiest manner,
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Speaker 1: which room to visit first, where all the students are,
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Speaker 1: where the teachers are at that time of the morning.
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Speaker 1: This was like shooting a fish and a barrel. Once
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Speaker 1: the shooter got in by shooting out glass and then
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Speaker 1: just stepping through. Very difficult to believe that this shooter
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Speaker 1: could get in with all the doors closed and locked,
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Speaker 1: but apparently the shooter knew this and managed to find
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Speaker 1: a way. Listen to more photos show the desperation and
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Speaker 1: pain in the faces of this tight knit Christian community.
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Speaker 1: Some parents communicating with their kids during the lockdown. I'm
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Speaker 1: still telling him send just be aware of your surroundings.
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Speaker 1: We don't not sure if it's just one shooter, you
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Speaker 1: know how to get out the building. You know, these
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Speaker 1: are conversations we shouldn't be having. We're failing our children.
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Speaker 1: We're learning more about the victims killed, including this woman,
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Speaker 1: doctor Katherine Kountz, was the head of the Covenant School.
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Speaker 1: Those who knew her say she died protecting the children
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Speaker 1: she loved. Joining me a ballistics expert firearms examiner, you
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Speaker 1: can find Leonard Romero and Ballistics Firearms Expert dot com.
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Speaker 1: Larn thank you for being with us. What do you
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Speaker 1: make all the weapons that Hale carried in? Oh, she
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Speaker 1: was heavily armed and you could see that and that
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Speaker 1: rig that she had on. Described the rig the sheeter
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Speaker 1: had on. It basically is it allows you to carry
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Speaker 1: the rifle of at your side so you can bring
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Speaker 1: it up very quickly, and it also allows you to
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Speaker 1: carry that ar type pistol and also has ammunition pouches
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Speaker 1: so that you could go ahead and carry additional magazines
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Speaker 1: in it. I mean, wait a minute, wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: you got you gotta slow down for me, Leonard Romero.
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Speaker 1: I mean it's like the sheeter is dressed up like
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Speaker 1: Rambo yep to go in and gun down babies, little children,
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Speaker 1: and some school teachers. It's like the sheet is like
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Speaker 1: going to crawl through the jungle an experienced some type
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Speaker 1: of attacks and ambush. Oh yes, I mean she's totally ready.
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Speaker 1: I meant outfitted for, like you said, some sort of battle.
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Speaker 1: It's horrific to think that's how she's thinking. What's interesting too,
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Speaker 1: are the markings, are the stickers that are on the
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Speaker 1: firearms themselves. One of the firearms had held riser or
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Speaker 1: something written on it. I meant so, I meant, yeah,
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Speaker 1: she was totally outfitted for combat. You know, which is
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Speaker 1: you know, so disturbing the way she was just rigged
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Speaker 1: up with all of that ammunition and all those weapons.
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Speaker 1: You know, that's a very powerful around at two two
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Speaker 1: three rounds described Tell me about the two twenty three.
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Speaker 1: Two twenty three is a rifle round. It's a small
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Speaker 1: bullet that trials that had extremely high velocity um. It
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Speaker 1: was used during the Vietnam War, still used in the
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Speaker 1: military now. It's a very popular realm with shooters because
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Speaker 1: it's very light to carry, so you can carry a
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Speaker 1: lot of ammunition with you. So, but it's an extremely powerful,
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Speaker 1: rightful realm. And then of course she had that nine
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Speaker 1: millimeter pistol as well from the photos that I reviewed
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Speaker 1: in all but I mean, yeah, she was totally loaded
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Speaker 1: down with a lot of ammunition. To go into the
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Speaker 1: elementary area of a tiny little Christian school that the
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Speaker 1: shooter had actually attended, You know, it would be like
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Speaker 1: me going into my little church back home and making
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Speaker 1: Georgia the Liberty United Methodist Church. I can tell you
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Speaker 1: every nook and cranny of that church, growing up in
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Speaker 1: that church. So this was what it was like for
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Speaker 1: the shooter. To just imagine those first steps, Jason Ocean
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Speaker 1: and think about it, Jason, think about your synagogue and
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Speaker 1: your children that have been there over and over and over.
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Speaker 1: It's by memory. You could close your eyes and walk
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Speaker 1: down the halls. I mean, it has its own special
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Speaker 1: smell to it. I remember I took the children to
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Speaker 1: my church back home so many times. They said, why
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Speaker 1: is the Methist church everywhere you go smell the same?
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Speaker 1: And my daughter said, because God's in the carpet. That's good.
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Speaker 1: Actually in the car. I mean you could close your
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Speaker 1: eyes and walk through right and imagine the shooter shooting
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Speaker 1: out in the glass and that first step in to
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Speaker 1: the little church that Hale knew so well, Well, there's
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Speaker 1: an intimacy as we're talking about. She knew that very
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Speaker 1: very well. The shooter has a great intimate knowledge of
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Speaker 1: the surroundings, and even as she's walking, it seems that
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Speaker 1: there was a conness because she knew where she was going,
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Speaker 1: and so that allowed her to tactically have an advantage.
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Speaker 1: So whoa wait, practically have an advantage over what the
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Speaker 1: nine year olds versus entering a building you're unfamiliar with.
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Speaker 1: So that gave her an advantage. She had that edge
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Speaker 1: of knowing where she was going versus turning the wrong way,
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Speaker 1: entering a building you're unfamiliar with and you make the
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Speaker 1: wrong move. She knew the shooter knew exactly what she
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Speaker 1: was doing. Nancy Ken Trump jump in, Kim, because when
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Speaker 1: I just said nine year olds, I thought about my
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Speaker 1: twins at nine years old, so innocent, so trusting, and
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Speaker 1: really they still are because I know it's wrong and
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Speaker 1: I'm raising them in a bubble or trying to. But
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Speaker 1: these little children had no idea what was coming. But
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Speaker 1: they were afraid, Kim. Because many of them were hiding,
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Speaker 1: hiding in closets, hiding under desks, They knew something horrible
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Speaker 1: was happening. Any school shooting is horrible, but when it
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Speaker 1: such as the youngest that it's even more difficult and
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Speaker 1: harder to process. But for the physical environment you're talking,
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Speaker 1: we do security and emergency planning assessment in schools for
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Speaker 1: the last three decades. Every setting is different, independent schools,
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Speaker 1: public schools, Christian schools. But those schools that are attached,
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Speaker 1: whether they're Catholic, Christian, other type of schools that have
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Speaker 1: a place of worship and they're attached, are you run
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Speaker 1: into some unique issues depending on the design. You have
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Speaker 1: legitimate users during the course of the day coming into
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Speaker 1: the facilities for worshiping purposes, you have ministry purposes going on,
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Speaker 1: and then you have the education components. So the question
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Speaker 1: is is there a way to separate access control of
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Speaker 1: that wing into that section. But in this case, as
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Speaker 1: you've said, walking through the one area into the other,
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Speaker 1: we always have to take a look at is there
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Speaker 1: some additional barrier that you can put to have them
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Speaker 1: still connected in the same facility as part of that
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Speaker 1: unique environment, but at the same time where access to
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Speaker 1: them can't just immediately be gained. But when you've got
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Speaker 1: somebody who's shooting out the glass. You have a whole
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Speaker 1: different dynamic coming into play, but just the idea of
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Speaker 1: in a place of worship having the educational piece the
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Speaker 1: school in there. Sometimes we find that there's a very
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Speaker 1: thin line between those functions, those different sections, and it
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Speaker 1: creates some additional security concerns. With an assault style rifle
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Speaker 1: in hand, Hell shoots down the door of the National
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Speaker 1: Area School, stalking the hallways before opening fire on nine
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Speaker 1: year olds and administrators. And at first, as I said,
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Speaker 1: I found it so hard to believe the school just
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Speaker 1: wasn't doing their job, because they must not have had
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Speaker 1: the doors closed in a lot they did. The shooter
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Speaker 1: guns their way into the facility to gun down little children.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Tim Gallagher joining me, renowned medical examiner for the
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Speaker 1: entire state of Florida, also lecturers University Florida Medical School
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Speaker 1: and is the founder and host of the International Forensic
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Speaker 1: Medicine Death Investigation Conference. Doctor Gallagher, I'd like to believe
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Speaker 1: the children didn't feel anything. That's how I always, you know,
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Speaker 1: explain it in my head. They didn't feel anything. But
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Speaker 1: the truth is they probably did well. The automatic weapons
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Speaker 1: when they strike the body, as the other Pinelists said,
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Speaker 1: it's a very small round, but it travels at a
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Speaker 1: very fast velocity. So the entrance wound in the human
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Speaker 1: body is very small, but the exit wound is tremendous,
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Speaker 1: you know. And through the exit wound goes a lot
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Speaker 1: of the organs, the blood, the bone, and the tissue,
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Speaker 1: you know. So it depends on where the person was struck.
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Speaker 1: If they were struck in vital organs, they may not
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Speaker 1: have felt anything. Their death would have been so immediate,
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Speaker 1: you know, before they can feel the effects of the
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Speaker 1: bullets on them, so that you know, in this case,
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Speaker 1: I don't have any information as to where they were struck,
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Speaker 1: but they were pronounced deceased when they arrived at a
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Speaker 1: medical facility. You know. I'm interested in this manifesto, the
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Speaker 1: shooter wrote, and I'm looking at a picture right now.
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Speaker 1: It's as if the shooter has decided to go commando.
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Speaker 1: I expect to see the shoter just swinging down from
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Speaker 1: a tree like she's fighting the Vietcong in the Vietnamese War,
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Speaker 1: dressed in camo cap on backwards. I guess what to
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Speaker 1: keep hair out of the eyes to make sure you
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Speaker 1: get a good shot at a nine year old and
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Speaker 1: as you heard our Melissa's expert Leonard Romero speaking, she's
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Speaker 1: wearing someone of a sling on her on the left
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Speaker 1: side and saying this is actually a female transitioning into male.
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Speaker 1: Audrey Hall, age twenty eight, wearing a sling on her
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Speaker 1: left side because they, I guess, want to have as
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Speaker 1: much AMMO as possible to gun down. Let's see seven,
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Speaker 1: eight nine the third graders. Guys, what do we know
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Speaker 1: about Audrey Hell? Take a listen to our cut thirty two.
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Speaker 1: This police Chief John Drake. The person we know is
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Speaker 1: Audrey Hall. She's a twenty eight year old Nashvillian. We
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Speaker 1: have belief, or we feel that it's very strongly that
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Speaker 1: she went to school here in the Nashville area, and
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Speaker 1: she went to that actual school, and and so okay,
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Speaker 1: there's some belief that there was some resent having to
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Speaker 1: go to that school. Don't have all the details of
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Speaker 1: that just yet, and that's why this incident occurred, resentment
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Speaker 1: over having to quote go to that school. And a
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Speaker 1: lot has been made that Audrey Hill is a female
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Speaker 1: transitioning to a male doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if
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Speaker 1: the shooter is male or female transitioning, not transitioning. This
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Speaker 1: shooter killed three nine year olds plus gundown administrators as well,
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Speaker 1: administrators dedicated to teaching children, and now we learn of
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Speaker 1: some freaky manifesto. It reminds me of the unibomber. To
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Speaker 1: doctor Teresa Gil do you remember the unibomber? I hate
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Speaker 1: to even say it. Take Kazinski's name, so full of himself,
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Speaker 1: so pompous that he had to leave a manifesto much
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Speaker 1: as this shooter, a clear detailed account of what they
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Speaker 1: were thinking and feeling and what they were planning, and
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Speaker 1: based in rage and righteousness. So we will see what
25:13
Speaker 1: comes out of her manifesto. Gunning down so many people,
25:17
Speaker 1: including three nine year old children, what more do we know?
25:21
Speaker 1: Take a listen to Director Don Aaron at the National PD.
25:26
Speaker 1: She entered the building, which is one structure. The church
25:30
Speaker 1: in the school are in one building. She entered on
25:34
Speaker 1: the lower floor. There were shops fired on the lower
25:37
Speaker 1: floor before she went to the upper level, and it
25:40
Speaker 1: was on the upper level where she was confronted by
25:43
Speaker 1: police and killed. So understand, the scene processing will take
25:48
Speaker 1: place over at least two days today and tomorrow, and
25:54
Speaker 1: we'll have more details for you, including the release of
25:57
Speaker 1: video apps tonight, but it's not tonight, certainly tomorrow. We
26:03
Speaker 1: know that the National Schools shooter was an artist, and
26:09
Speaker 1: that she had copious notes regarding the shooting, a lot
26:14
Speaker 1: of drawings. It makes me realize, Peyton Mews joining me
26:17
Speaker 1: Fox seventeen, it's very unlikely they knew any of the victims. Well,
26:23
Speaker 1: we know Metro Police John Drake had mentioned that they
26:27
Speaker 1: were not sure whether or not Hale knew any of
26:32
Speaker 1: the victims. I know they were not able to confirm
26:35
Speaker 1: whether or not there was any kind of connection that
26:39
Speaker 1: she had with the victims, meaning the children and or
26:42
Speaker 1: the staff. Maybe maybe Peyton, maybe the top administrator, but
26:49
Speaker 1: unlikely the substitute teacher, and unlikely the custodian, depending on
26:55
Speaker 1: how long the sub and the custodian had been there.
26:57
Speaker 1: Had they been there since the inception of the school,
27:00
Speaker 1: Were they there when the shooter went there? I mean
27:03
Speaker 1: the shooters twenty eight had to be a while back
27:06
Speaker 1: that the shooter went there. So are you saying, Peyton,
27:09
Speaker 1: we're still trying to get any connection, if any, between
27:12
Speaker 1: the shooter and the victims. Yes, that's exactly what I'm
27:16
Speaker 1: saying Nancy here. I know metro beliefs. They told me earlier.
27:19
Speaker 1: There's so much information and so much material that they
27:23
Speaker 1: have to go through that they still have to go
27:25
Speaker 1: through right now and hopefully later today we'll get more
27:28
Speaker 1: on the manifesto, more on whether or not there's a
27:30
Speaker 1: connection with those victims and the shooters, you know, Jason Otions.
27:34
Speaker 1: Another thing to consider is that the mother of the
27:38
Speaker 1: shooter was very anti gun and wanted gun control and
27:44
Speaker 1: had many posts decrying school shootings. Is this some way
27:50
Speaker 1: of lashing out at the shooters mother? But isn't this extreme,
27:54
Speaker 1: don't you think, Jason Oceans, You're angry because you had
27:58
Speaker 1: to go to a certain school, so you go shoot
27:59
Speaker 1: it up like a mad person. Yeah, clearly high level
28:03
Speaker 1: of disturbance and doesn't know if you know, I don't
28:05
Speaker 1: think we knew yet, Whether you know, the manifesto will
28:09
Speaker 1: will create some of the answers that we're seeking. Mother's
28:13
Speaker 1: stricter regarding guns, angry at school, angry at you know,
28:18
Speaker 1: whatever the anger is that allowed her to, uh, you know,
28:23
Speaker 1: to create this tragedy. I'm looking at something. Doctor Dersa Gail,
28:27
Speaker 1: Professors psychology and psychotherapist of some of the shooters, Art
28:32
Speaker 1: and I definitely use quotas for that one that really
28:36
Speaker 1: intrigued me. As a child's tennis shoes underneath pjason socks
28:42
Speaker 1: looking up at the sky and it says to be
28:45
Speaker 1: a kid forever? And ever, what does that mean? That's
28:48
Speaker 1: really interesting? I think she's quite right. She did well
28:51
Speaker 1: in college. She did well in school. But they have
28:54
Speaker 1: difficulty with initiating social interactions and managing successful responses and
29:02
Speaker 1: social situations. However, they have difficult to make an eye contact,
29:08
Speaker 1: keeping on pace with communication with other people, and meant
29:14
Speaker 1: although they have difficulties in those areas, they are extremely sensitive. Well,
29:18
Speaker 1: apparently this sheter did not have those difficulties. Because high
29:22
Speaker 1: school friends of Hale's were shot to find out Hall
29:25
Speaker 1: was a shooter. They described her as an outgoing girl
29:30
Speaker 1: that they ran track with. That really doesn't sound like
29:35
Speaker 1: someone that can't make friends. One of the things she
29:38
Speaker 1: loved to do was to run around in the playground.
29:41
Speaker 1: So my senses that there's this kidlike person in there.
29:45
Speaker 1: You could say that about Michael Jackson too. What does
29:48
Speaker 1: that mean to me? Nothing? You continue to say nine
29:52
Speaker 1: year old, nine year olds any perpetrator, because I've dealt
29:55
Speaker 1: with victims for thirty plus years. Any perpetrator will pick
29:59
Speaker 1: out the most vulnerable because those are the ones that
30:03
Speaker 1: they can be hurtful to and direct their age on.
30:07
Speaker 1: And so of course nine year olds and and you know,
30:11
Speaker 1: pay through sixth grade and people who are in their
30:15
Speaker 1: sixties that do not have weapons, that would be the
30:19
Speaker 1: first place to go. In fact, she had another place
30:22
Speaker 1: it's intending to go to that she decided not to
30:26
Speaker 1: because it was too heavily surveiled. So she did what
30:30
Speaker 1: most perpetrators do, and she picked the most vulnerable. Time
30:50
Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace to Leonard Romero and doctor Tim Gallagher.
30:56
Speaker 1: First to doctor Tim Gallagher, medical examiner for the State
30:59
Speaker 1: of Florida. Doctor Gallagher, you and I discussed did the
31:04
Speaker 1: children feel anything or were they killed instantly? They suffered fear,
31:10
Speaker 1: doctor Gallagher, because the other classmates were the ones that survived,
31:16
Speaker 1: were all hiding in closets and under desk, anywhere they
31:20
Speaker 1: could hide. So these children were most likely hiding as well.
31:25
Speaker 1: They knew something was horribly wrong. Somebody had to tell
31:28
Speaker 1: them there was danger. They were crouching around the school
31:32
Speaker 1: and then they had to see the shooter coming toward them.
31:38
Speaker 1: And feel extreme fear. I mean, if you are still
31:44
Speaker 1: conscious when you get when you sustain a gunshot wound,
31:49
Speaker 1: tell us what that feels like. This is what these
31:52
Speaker 1: little third graders experienced, right, Well, they were under a
31:56
Speaker 1: lot of emotional turmoil here. Of course, there was to fear,
32:00
Speaker 1: you know. But one thing I noticed in the video
32:03
Speaker 1: was that there was a light flashing as though it
32:05
Speaker 1: was like the fire alarm. You know. And when we
32:07
Speaker 1: were in school, anytime we heard the fire alarm, we
32:09
Speaker 1: got up, walk through the halls, and we left. So
32:12
Speaker 1: now these children are being inundated by a very mixed signals.
32:17
Speaker 1: You know, there's the fire alarm, it's time to get
32:19
Speaker 1: up and go, and then someone else telling them, most
32:21
Speaker 1: likely no, there's it's not a fire alarm. Instead of leaving,
32:25
Speaker 1: stay in the building, you know, and hide yourself, you know.
32:29
Speaker 1: So they were going through several orders of emotion there.
32:33
Speaker 1: But yes, when you do suffer a fatal wound it
32:37
Speaker 1: has been or a serious wound, the fear is there.
32:42
Speaker 1: But then as the strength leaves the body, the people
32:46
Speaker 1: tend to develop a sense of peace, a sense of acceptance,
32:50
Speaker 1: and a sense of this is my faith. I'm probably
32:54
Speaker 1: not going to survive this enough a child would think
32:56
Speaker 1: that that rationally, Well, I, you're right, and we're dealing
33:01
Speaker 1: with nine year olds here, And to tell you the truth,
33:03
Speaker 1: there's really not a lot of experience in this age
33:06
Speaker 1: category with this type of weaponry, with this type of injury.
33:12
Speaker 1: You know, Um, when they do occur, they occur in
33:15
Speaker 1: clusters and then very space from each other. So it's
33:17
Speaker 1: very hard to collect this type of information, you know.
33:21
Speaker 1: But I could imagine them, you know, wanting their parents,
33:24
Speaker 1: you know, wanting their friends, not wanting to be alone,
33:27
Speaker 1: and then the shooting itself tearing through their body. But
33:31
Speaker 1: the shooter just kept going to literal Romero ballistics expert,
33:36
Speaker 1: what would this particular caliber bullet do to a body?
33:40
Speaker 1: For instance, there are hollow points that do a certain
33:43
Speaker 1: thing there, there's bullets that mushroom inside your body. What
33:49
Speaker 1: do these bullets do? Like the Good Doctor alluded to earlier, Um,
33:54
Speaker 1: it's a bolt CALIBERT bullet that's coming in at a
33:58
Speaker 1: high speed. So in my experience, the wounds are devastating
34:02
Speaker 1: that I've seen that have the where a person's been
34:05
Speaker 1: shot with the two two three, So it's coming in
34:09
Speaker 1: at quite a high speed. And again it depends where
34:13
Speaker 1: the person was shot. Kind of just to add a
34:16
Speaker 1: point with regards to the fear, this is an extremely
34:19
Speaker 1: loud ground. When you fire these things, it's very loud
34:24
Speaker 1: and scary and scary exactly. So I'm here, you know,
34:28
Speaker 1: with everything else going on in the flashing of the
34:30
Speaker 1: light and everything else that couple that with the sound.
34:35
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it had been horrific for these
34:39
Speaker 1: poor people, you know. And of course it's become a
34:43
Speaker 1: political football like everything else is. And I want everyone
34:47
Speaker 1: to take a listen to what our president said immediately
34:52
Speaker 1: after these people we're gunned down dead, including third graders
34:58
Speaker 1: and their teachers. They're cut odeon their administrator. Look, I
35:02
Speaker 1: hate politics. I don't trust Republicans or Democrats, but I
35:06
Speaker 1: especially want you to hear what our president had to
35:09
Speaker 1: say in our cut five. My name is Joe Biden.
35:14
Speaker 1: I'm doctor Joe Biden's husband, and I Chey's ice cream
35:19
Speaker 1: chocolate Chip. I came down because I heard there was
35:23
Speaker 1: chocolate chip ice cream. By the way, I have a
35:26
Speaker 1: whole refrigerator fall upstairs. I think I'm kidding. No, No,
35:29
Speaker 1: I'm ben. How are you pale? One of the best
35:33
Speaker 1: guys in the United States Congress Ben Cardon, folks, welcome
35:43
Speaker 1: to the White House. What is wrong with him? Seriously?
35:48
Speaker 1: What is wrong with him? Jason Ocean's my longtime friend
35:52
Speaker 1: and colleague. You know, I hate politics. I think everybody
35:57
Speaker 1: in politics, for the most part, not all of them,
36:00
Speaker 1: are all lying just to get reelected. But what is that?
36:04
Speaker 1: Why did I have to hear that? How do you
36:07
Speaker 1: think those children's parents feel when they see him trot
36:09
Speaker 1: out if he could find his way to the podium
36:12
Speaker 1: that is and say that, Yeah, that was callous relative
36:16
Speaker 1: to the message that he could talk about it just
36:19
Speaker 1: just so inappropriate. You got to know that there's a
36:23
Speaker 1: hot mic there at old times and it doesn't connect
36:26
Speaker 1: to the messaging after really horrible timing, Just horrible to
36:30
Speaker 1: come out and say that when people are looking for
36:34
Speaker 1: leadership and help, and that's what we get. You know what,
36:36
Speaker 1: That's a whole other can of worms. But I want
36:39
Speaker 1: to talk about the two officers, the gun down, the
36:46
Speaker 1: shooter Peyton News. Tell me about it, Nancy. One other
36:51
Speaker 1: thing I wanted to tell you. There was no private
36:55
Speaker 1: school did not require and they did not have an
36:57
Speaker 1: s RO on their campus. Two brave officers manage to
37:02
Speaker 1: take down and the shooter or take a listen to
37:05
Speaker 1: our friends at ABC. Authorities say the shooter was armed
37:08
Speaker 1: with these guns, two assault style rifles and a handgun,
37:12
Speaker 1: two of which were obtained legally and locally. The first
37:16
Speaker 1: about eight or ten shots were very loud. Police say
37:19
Speaker 1: when the tactical team of five officers arrived, the shooter
37:22
Speaker 1: began firing at them from a second floor window, hitting
37:26
Speaker 1: their cruisers. Multiple laye comes down inside the school. Shooter
37:31
Speaker 1: is down as now as well. Fourteen minutes after that
37:34
Speaker 1: first call at ten twenty seven, these two officers, rex
37:38
Speaker 1: Ingelbert and Michael Collazo confronting and killing the shooter. Rex
37:43
Speaker 1: Engelbert and Michael Pozzo straight back out to Peyton muse
37:47
Speaker 1: Where did they find the shooter and gun the shooter down?
37:51
Speaker 1: So from the video what I saw, I know they
37:55
Speaker 1: found the shooter on these second floor and rex Ingelbert
37:59
Speaker 1: officer Angle is a four year MNPE vetter in and
38:02
Speaker 1: then Michael Colozo is a nine year veteran. The two
38:05
Speaker 1: of them found her on the second floor. I want
38:09
Speaker 1: to circle back to Ken Trump, president of a National
38:13
Speaker 1: School Safety and Security Services, would have could have shoot.
38:17
Speaker 1: Now Peyton mus is telling me, and she's correct that
38:22
Speaker 1: the school did not have a resource officer there. I
38:25
Speaker 1: don't know that that would have made a difference. They
38:28
Speaker 1: didn't have metal detectives. I don't think that would have
38:30
Speaker 1: made a difference, since the shooter would have known about
38:33
Speaker 1: them having attended there and also managed to side stuff
38:37
Speaker 1: that by shooting shooting their way in. But what could
38:43
Speaker 1: schools do help us? Ken Trump metal detector or a
38:47
Speaker 1: weapons detection system with artificial intelligence is like going to
38:51
Speaker 1: prevent or even intervene in the inth that happened in Nashville.
38:56
Speaker 1: Most private schools do not have school resource officers. They're
39:00
Speaker 1: public officers through law enforcement agencies that are assigned to
39:05
Speaker 1: traditionally to public schools. They do have in a number
39:09
Speaker 1: of the private schools where you've assessed security for off
39:13
Speaker 1: duty officers a cadre of their own force in some
39:16
Speaker 1: but not all. So that's a tool because that would
39:19
Speaker 1: cut down even tighter on response time if an officers
39:23
Speaker 1: they are and able to engage that. The officers here
39:27
Speaker 1: did a tremendous job. It seems like forever if you're
39:30
Speaker 1: in the midst of that. But they move quickly. The
39:32
Speaker 1: video shows them doing what training since Columbine in ninety
39:36
Speaker 1: nine shows them to do, which you can go directly
39:38
Speaker 1: to the shooter. But we saw a couple of other
39:41
Speaker 1: key things. The school had trained students to lockdown. Some
39:45
Speaker 1: schools and law enforcement are now training to self evacuate,
39:50
Speaker 1: to run. But you create a target rich environment. You
39:53
Speaker 1: want to limit your availability for someone who's trying to
39:57
Speaker 1: take out people as many as they can as quick
40:00
Speaker 1: they can. So good job on the lockdown, good job
40:02
Speaker 1: on relaying information to that officer. Bottom line is this, Nancy,
40:07
Speaker 1: I have done expert witness work on the highest profile
40:11
Speaker 1: mask school shootings in this country, and while the facts
40:14
Speaker 1: and merits vary on those and other crimes at school,
40:18
Speaker 1: allegations of failures focus on allegations of failures of human factors, people,
40:22
Speaker 1: policy procedures, training, plan lockdowns, all the drill communications, not
40:28
Speaker 1: failures of hardware and equipment. Having that state of mind
40:31
Speaker 1: to have your children lockdown, you limit the access to
40:36
Speaker 1: the shooter as best you possibly can, certainly save lives
40:41
Speaker 1: having someone they're relaying information to those heroic police officers
40:45
Speaker 1: who moved to the sound of the gun fire, which
40:49
Speaker 1: is what they're trained to do for two three decades
40:52
Speaker 1: now is something that is critical. The Tree questions air
40:57
Speaker 1: bottom line on this end on the prevention worther warning signs,
41:01
Speaker 1: are we encouraging people to report if there were and
41:04
Speaker 1: what are the grievances that people have? We don't know
41:08
Speaker 1: for sure, but it may not be a grievance that
41:10
Speaker 1: they had against the individuals in that building at that time,
41:14
Speaker 1: but it's some type of a grievance as the chief
41:17
Speaker 1: alluded to about the school itself. You know, Jason Oceans,
41:22
Speaker 1: By the way, we'll put ken Trump while you're the expert,
41:26
Speaker 1: Jason Oceans. You know, at first my first thought was, wow,
41:30
Speaker 1: they didn't have the doors locked. Well, of course we
41:32
Speaker 1: all know how the shooter got in. The doors didn't matter.
41:38
Speaker 1: Did they have sensors to set off alarms? No? Would
41:41
Speaker 1: it have made a difference. No. They didn't have a
41:43
Speaker 1: resource officer. Would that have made a difference. Probably not.
41:45
Speaker 1: They didn't have a metal detector. The shooter side step
41:48
Speaker 1: that by shooting their way in. I mean, I think
41:53
Speaker 1: we look for some way to have avoided it, to
41:57
Speaker 1: have avoided the whole thing, but I don't think there
42:01
Speaker 1: is one except what Trump just said, and that is
42:05
Speaker 1: trying to see the red flags waving in front of
42:09
Speaker 1: us nante. I think examining social media being more attentive
42:13
Speaker 1: to that are the keys. A lot of times these manifestos,
42:19
Speaker 1: you know, are published and having resource in our local
42:23
Speaker 1: PD that is scouring this relentlessly and having programs. Are
42:28
Speaker 1: you kidding me, Jason Oshan's Seriously, local PD can hardly
42:32
Speaker 1: answer all the calls they get, much less take somebody
42:36
Speaker 1: off the street to look at the internet. In a
42:39
Speaker 1: perfect world, Yeah, but no government will give the money
42:44
Speaker 1: to do that. That's not going to happen. I understand that.
42:47
Speaker 1: I think that's where the initial it's all good intel.
42:50
Speaker 1: That's where you know, government authorities find the bad guys.
42:56
Speaker 1: And I mean, look at the Parkland shooting. People kept
42:59
Speaker 1: calling police, he's gonna he's gonna shoot up a school.
43:02
Speaker 1: He's gonna shoot up a school in loud Bold. He
43:04
Speaker 1: did shoot up to school. Everybody knew it was gonna happen.
43:08
Speaker 1: I guess I'm angry right now because there's three little
43:13
Speaker 1: children dead, three adults dead because of this shooter, so
43:21
Speaker 1: full of hate and I can't help, But wonder did
43:26
Speaker 1: the shooter's family have any warning. We wait as the
43:31
Speaker 1: facts unfold. Goodbye friend,