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Eric Broser, Strength/Contest Prep Coach · Ageless and Timeless Podcast®

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  Speaker 1: Good morning everyone. This is Michelle Used from Ageless and Timeless. Today,
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  Speaker 1: I have a guest that I've been talking to for
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  Speaker 1: quite a while because he's a very close friend of
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  Speaker 1: my friend Rob Fletcher, who is the senior vice president
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  Speaker 1: of business development for a Muscle and Fitness, which is
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  Speaker 1: one of our podcast Distrivision sites. As people who have
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  Speaker 1: been watching me for a while now that we are
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  Speaker 1: very much positioned to the demographic of athletes and fitness
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  Speaker 1: professionals and people who are generally healthy but want to
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  Speaker 1: stay that way or even improved. We all want to improve.
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  Speaker 1: We can't stop that journey. And so this is my
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  Speaker 1: guest is Eric Roser, and he is a really well renowned,
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  Speaker 1: a well recognized bodybuilder, and he's going to tell you
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  Speaker 1: all about his journey. Hear how he got to where
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  Speaker 1: he is today. But I was reading his bio and
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  Speaker 1: what really shocked me was that Eric, by the way.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning morning.
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  Speaker 1: I was just so stocked when I learned that you
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  Speaker 1: were once one hundred and twenty five pounds or something
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  Speaker 1: like that. Is that that true or was that a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of a stretch not.
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  Speaker 2: A stretch at all? I was an extremely skinny, skinny kid,
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  Speaker 2: and when I started this journey into the whole bodybuilding thing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I was actually the same height I am now, which
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  Speaker 2: is just under six feet, and I weighed one hundred
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  Speaker 2: and twenty five pounds and a strong wind can blow
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  Speaker 2: me over. I was a good athlete, you know. I
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  Speaker 2: was able to play sports really well. But I had
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  Speaker 2: like just no muscle on my body or no visual muscle.
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  Speaker 2: And I just weighed a hundred twenty five pounds. And
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  Speaker 2: then that's why I wanted to put All I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to do was put some weight on and be more
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  Speaker 2: you know, normal weight. It wasn't really I wasn't intending
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  Speaker 2: on being a bodyboilder.
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  Speaker 1: So what made what made you change your direction?
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  Speaker 2: You know? I was picked on a lot as a kid,
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  Speaker 2: you know, especially when I got into like junior high school,
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  Speaker 2: high school, all the bigger guys for some reason, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know why, decided to target me. And uh that
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  Speaker 2: was really really a tough for me. A tough time
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  Speaker 2: being picked on and not really feeling like I had
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  Speaker 2: anything that I could do about it. And uh, the
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  Speaker 2: first thing I did is actually started taking martial arts. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: So I did that for a number of years and
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  Speaker 2: ironically enough, my martial arts teacher, my main teacher, he
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  Speaker 2: had actually got into bodybuilding during the time that I
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  Speaker 2: was working with him, and I was watching his uh
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  Speaker 2: you know, body change, uh and I was very very interested.
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  Speaker 2: So I wanted to know what he worked out and
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  Speaker 2: everything like that. And and I was always interested in
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  Speaker 2: when I was when I was a young kid, I
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  Speaker 2: was always interested in, you know, athletes or or movie actors,
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  Speaker 2: anyone who had a muscular physique. You know, even comic
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  Speaker 2: book superheroes. That always fascinated me. But I never really
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  Speaker 2: looked at myself as being able to do that. But
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  Speaker 2: then when I saw my martial arts teacher building very
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  Speaker 2: very close friend of mine, my friend Mitch dinowhich has
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  Speaker 2: been my friend for fifty years. He was very heavy,
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  Speaker 2: I was very skinny, and we decided to start bodybuilding together.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to put weight on and just you know,
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  Speaker 2: be more normal. You wanted to lose weight. So it
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  Speaker 2: was good combination and that's what we did. We started
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  Speaker 2: doing it. Actually, we got a little home gym together
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  Speaker 2: in my basement, started at age sixteen, and we went
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  Speaker 2: to work.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I think this actually says something about epigenetics.
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  Speaker 1: Because if genetically you were predispositioned to be one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and twenty five pounds and just under six feet and
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  Speaker 1: yet you had an ability through epigenetic's In other words,
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  Speaker 1: you altered your genes by your lifestyle or by your
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  Speaker 1: activities and your diet, which is really all part of lifestyle.
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  Speaker 1: So what would you say about that, would you comment
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  Speaker 1: on the role of genetics and epigenetics and your development
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  Speaker 1: and your evolution.
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  Speaker 2: I think that, I mean all of us have worn
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  Speaker 2: you know, obviously with the body type. You know, in bodybuilding,
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  Speaker 2: they normally refer to it as ectomorph, andomorph, mesomorph. So
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  Speaker 2: an ectomorph is tending towards to being skinnier, fast metabolism,
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  Speaker 2: that's their natural body type. Endomorph is usually a little
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  Speaker 2: bit heavier, you know, having a little bit more muscle
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  Speaker 2: on the body. It usually has trouble losing body fat,
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  Speaker 2: so it'd be like a thicker type of person. And
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  Speaker 2: then a mesomorph is the perfect thing for bodybuilding because
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  Speaker 2: then they're just naturally muscular with low body fat and
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  Speaker 2: they easily put on muscles. So that's the best body type.
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  Speaker 2: But most people are a combination of these things, and
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  Speaker 2: very very few people are strictly one or the other.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, I don't, I mean, I don't believe
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  Speaker 2: that you can actually alter your actual genetic map, but
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  Speaker 2: you can. You can work with it intelligently, consistently, with
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  Speaker 2: dedication and passion, and you can bring out the best
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  Speaker 2: of your genetics. Now, obviously somebody who is more you know,
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  Speaker 2: ectomorphic like I was, obviously I had the ability to
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  Speaker 2: put on muscle. But for me, it's going to be
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  Speaker 2: a much harder journey to put on muscle than a
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  Speaker 2: mesomorph or even an enomorph. If you're an enomorph and
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  Speaker 2: you want to lose body fat, it's going to be
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  Speaker 2: harder for you to do that than a mesomorphor an ectomorph.
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  Speaker 2: So you have to learn what your genetic tendency is,
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  Speaker 2: and then you have to base your program on what
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  Speaker 2: your genetic makeup is and how you can, to the
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  Speaker 2: best of your ability, work with your genetics and bring
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  Speaker 2: out whatever it is that you're trying to do. So
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  Speaker 2: for me, it was a much more difficult journey than
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  Speaker 2: for somebody else who might be, you know, more naturally muscular.
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  Speaker 2: But I was very very determined and worked very hard
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  Speaker 2: for many years to you know, to you know, bring
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  Speaker 2: out the best of myself and to this day I'm
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  Speaker 2: still working with well.
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  Speaker 1: You know, this is also another commentary about human nature
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  Speaker 1: and passion and desire and commitment and goal setting and
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  Speaker 1: all the things that we hear about in all these
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  Speaker 1: you know, life coach trainings, and you just you didn't
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  Speaker 1: have that person or that training. You just knew it
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  Speaker 1: inside yourself, you felt it, and then you just set
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  Speaker 1: on a path and basically you designed your your own
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  Speaker 1: journey by just being determined to change. So I really want,
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  Speaker 1: you know, anyone that's watching today to really be inspired
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  Speaker 1: by Eric's experience and his accomplishments, because this is something
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  Speaker 1: that very often people say, oh, I can't do that
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  Speaker 1: because of you know, one reason or another, and they
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  Speaker 1: come up with all kinds of excuses. But you didn't
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  Speaker 1: do that. You know, you said, look, i'm here, I
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  Speaker 1: don't like where I am, I don't like being picked on.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to do something about this. And you were
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  Speaker 1: bound and determined with you know, all the different facets
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  Speaker 1: that go into that to change. So let's go through
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  Speaker 1: that because I think people need to understand what it
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  Speaker 1: took to go from being one hundred and twenty five
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  Speaker 1: and under six feet to being what you are today,
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  Speaker 1: which I assume is over two hundred pounds, right, two
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  Speaker 1: hundred probably.
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  Speaker 2: More like two hundred and fifty two fifty, So I
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  Speaker 2: actually doubled my body weight.
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  Speaker 1: But how much what is your muscle mass?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean I don't know. I mean my body
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  Speaker 2: fat percentage is you know, like around eight eight nine percent.
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  Speaker 2: So I mean I'm very lean at this at this size,
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  Speaker 2: so I would say that my body fat I look
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  Speaker 2: lower and body fat at this weight than I did
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  Speaker 2: probably when I was a kid. So I mean I
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  Speaker 2: literally probably added a good solid one hundred and twenty
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  Speaker 2: five pounds of muscle to my body a period of time,
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  Speaker 2: which is you know, that's quite a bit. That's quite
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  Speaker 2: a bit. I added another person to myself.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what you did. Well, okay, so what let's
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  Speaker 1: go through the steps and how you got there and
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  Speaker 1: just take us through you know, those first moments when
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  Speaker 1: you made the decision that I am going to be
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  Speaker 1: different than what I am today? And then what did
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  Speaker 1: you do? And who inspired you? With the martial arts
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  Speaker 1: teacher obviously, who else was on your path to help
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  Speaker 1: you to get these achievements?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean it was really you know, mostly, like
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  Speaker 2: I said, I was always a fan of any athlete
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  Speaker 2: or you know, actor or anybody out there that I
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  Speaker 2: saw who had a lot of muscle. I always looked
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  Speaker 2: to these people as special.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: I always thought I was always impressed by that. That
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  Speaker 2: was something that always impressed me. And maybe it was
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  Speaker 2: because I was such a skinny kid that I looked
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  Speaker 2: at that and I was like, Wow, that's so incredible.
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  Speaker 1: Well, but you know, the role models, so like Arnold Schwarzenegger,
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  Speaker 1: I would.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like Arnold Schwarzenegger or Sylvester Stallone or you know,
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  Speaker 2: anybody who I saw that was you know, certain one
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  Speaker 2: of my favorite baseball players of all time. This goes
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  Speaker 2: back way. His name was Reggie Jackson, who played for
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  Speaker 2: the Yankees. He was very muscle. He did a lot
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  Speaker 2: of weight training in his so whenever I would see
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  Speaker 2: him go up to the to bat and he'd be
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  Speaker 2: wearing like a short sleep kind of shirt, I see
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  Speaker 2: these big arms and I'd be like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 2: it's so impressive. So anyone who I saw that was
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  Speaker 2: you know, very physically fit with muscle was impressive to me.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, nobody there was really nobody around me
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  Speaker 2: except for my friend, my best friend, Mitchell, I mentioned
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  Speaker 2: that had any confidence that I could do this. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you know, most people thought that I was wasting my
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  Speaker 2: time because they're like, no, you're just born to be skinny.
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  Speaker 2: That's just the way it's going to be for you.
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  Speaker 2: You're never going to really gain muscles because you're just
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  Speaker 2: not made for that. And I just did not listen
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  Speaker 2: to anyone. I just said, you know, no, I mean
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  Speaker 2: I can do this now that I expect to be
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  Speaker 2: a bodybuilder that competed. And you know, though I ended
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  Speaker 2: up on a magazine cover, no, I didn't expect that.
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  Speaker 2: I just wanted to kind of create an armor for myself.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to feel better about myself. I wanted to
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  Speaker 2: feel more secure. I wanted to stop the people from
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  Speaker 2: picking on me. You know, I just there was just
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  Speaker 2: a lot of those those reasons that went into it.
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  Speaker 2: So I basically just did a lot of research. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't have any I didn't really have anybody teaching me,
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  Speaker 2: Hey Eric, this is what you got to eat, Hey Eric,
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  Speaker 2: this is how you have to train. It was just
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  Speaker 2: more me doing research. So I started reading. I started
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  Speaker 2: reading books by every single body below that I that
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  Speaker 2: had a book out there. I started doing research. I
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  Speaker 2: started just putting together a program for me that made sense.
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  Speaker 2: So I would just gather all the information when I
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  Speaker 2: possibly could, and I would sift through it, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: some things, I would say, this makes sense to me,
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  Speaker 2: let me try it. But I tried everything, like I
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  Speaker 2: was like, because everybody had different training programs, different ideas,
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  Speaker 2: because everybody comes from you know, maybe they learned from
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  Speaker 2: somebody else or whatever influenced them. So I decided to
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  Speaker 2: try everything. And then slowly over time, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: started to hone things down to become a program for myself,
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  Speaker 2: which even to this day, as you get older, body changes,
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  Speaker 2: your metabolism changes, your hormones change, everything changes, so you
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  Speaker 2: have to keep evolving your program in order to keep
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  Speaker 2: making progress. So even to this day, I do that.
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  Speaker 2: But I just started off, like I said, We had
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  Speaker 2: a little a little gym in my basement with basic equipment,
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  Speaker 2: and I was kind of the leader. My friend was
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  Speaker 2: kind of the follower, and he just said, all right,
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  Speaker 2: whatever you tell me to do, we're going to do.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that maybe we weren't doing everything correct
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  Speaker 2: in the beginning. We're probably doing too much, probably training
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  Speaker 2: too much, probably training for too long. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: I had so much passion and so much desire and
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  Speaker 2: so much dedication to it that you know, what what
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  Speaker 2: I was doing was working. And of course the biggest
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  Speaker 2: part for me was I had to just start eating
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  Speaker 2: and I didn't really know, you know, back then, I
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  Speaker 2: didn't really know a lot about diet and nutrition obviously
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  Speaker 2: like I do now or I did years after that.
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  Speaker 2: So in the beginning for me, it was like just eat, eat,
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  Speaker 2: just get calories in. Because you know, I was young,
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  Speaker 2: my body just utilized everything and I just needed to
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  Speaker 2: just gain weight. So I just would eat all day long.
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  Speaker 2: Was just eating, eating, eating junk food, good food, whatever
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  Speaker 2: disgusting protein powders they had out there. I just ate
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  Speaker 2: and my body started to respond. I think in the
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  Speaker 2: first year of working out and doing that, I think
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  Speaker 2: I gained almost maybe forty pounds, so I think I
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  Speaker 2: went from about one twenty five to one sixty five.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't all perfect, you know, you know, probably a muscle,
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  Speaker 2: but it was just so I started to feel a
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  Speaker 2: little bit better about myself, get stronger. And then, like
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  Speaker 2: I said, I just kept on learning. I was one
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  Speaker 2: thing about me was that I was always wanted to
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  Speaker 2: learn more. So I mean I was just constantly researching
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  Speaker 2: and reading and just sucking it all in and just
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  Speaker 2: being like, you know, I really want to know about this.
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  Speaker 2: I want to know why, why the body grows, you know,
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  Speaker 2: why the body loses body fat, what's the science behind it?
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  Speaker 1: So well from the beginning, Yeah, so I do think
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  Speaker 1: that again, we always have to look at the deeper
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  Speaker 1: meaning of all this and to understand human behavior and
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  Speaker 1: why we do the things that we do. So so
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  Speaker 1: in your case, you know, I could just extrapolate for
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  Speaker 1: a moment and say, what are the qualities about yourself
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  Speaker 1: that allowed you to stay on course and to you know,
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  Speaker 1: never give up? That was one quality, Never give up,
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  Speaker 1: curiosity about you know, the path that you were on
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  Speaker 1: and learning as much as you could from the experts
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  Speaker 1: and maybe not always the people that you would turn
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  Speaker 1: to today now that you're far more evolved, but at
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  Speaker 1: that time they were your teachers, and you know, they
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  Speaker 1: weren't directly in your life. They were there through somewhat
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  Speaker 1: of a passive way because you had to go find
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  Speaker 1: them through books and literature. But anyway, I think that
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  Speaker 1: curiosity to learn, the thirst for learning. So these are
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  Speaker 1: you know, qualities that everybody that's watching today needs to
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  Speaker 1: ask themselves. Do I possess these qualities that will allow
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  Speaker 1: me to set a goal and never be undeterred, never
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  Speaker 1: give up, and no matter what happens. And this is
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  Speaker 1: what Eric, I would, you know, give you great kudos
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  Speaker 1: for your accomplishments, because not always do people. People look
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  Speaker 1: at you, they say, oh, you were here there at
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  Speaker 1: one point, now you're here. But they don't look at
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  Speaker 1: what it took in terms of the real depth of
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  Speaker 1: your character and your person and your soul, at your
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  Speaker 1: soul level that made you into what you are today.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, I just wanted to make that point because
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  Speaker 1: I'm always about the deeper meaning of behind things, and
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  Speaker 1: in your case, it doesn't You don't have to go
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  Speaker 1: very deep, very obvious that you are very determined and
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  Speaker 1: extremely disciplined. So so, what were some of the learning
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  Speaker 1: curves that you had to go through during that period?
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  Speaker 1: Now you know you were sixteen, but now you know
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  Speaker 1: these many years later, you've had a lot of right
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  Speaker 1: hand turns and you know, probably dead ends, and so
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  Speaker 1: so what share with us some of the you know,
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  Speaker 1: the experiences you had that you would help to guide
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  Speaker 1: someone else not to make those same mistakes. And particularly
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking and diet and nutrition because that's one of
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  Speaker 1: the biggest areas, and then of course supplements, and then
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  Speaker 1: not the least of importance is your actual workout. So
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  Speaker 1: can you kind of dive in for us and tell
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  Speaker 1: us you know where you were then, what you learned
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  Speaker 1: not to do and to do by experience, and what
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  Speaker 1: you would now do today in your coaching. I know
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  Speaker 1: that's a big question, but yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's problem. Well, I think I think, like I said,
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  Speaker 2: you know, in the beginning, you know, when you first
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  Speaker 2: start working out in general, for anyone, you could do
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  Speaker 2: a lot of things wrong and still make progress because
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  Speaker 2: you know, you're still you're doing something that your body
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  Speaker 2: wasn't doing before. So even if you're maybe not doing
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  Speaker 2: every sex exercise correctly, maybe not even the perfect diet,
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  Speaker 2: you're still you know, giving your body a stimulus that
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  Speaker 2: it's never had before, so you're gonna probably make some progress.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's the way I was in the beginning,
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  Speaker 2: even though I was still pretty good about learning exercise
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  Speaker 2: form and technique, I would, you know, really try to
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  Speaker 2: you know, follow you know, the bodybuilders that you know
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  Speaker 2: that were there before me, and try to do things right.
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  Speaker 2: Perhaps I wasn't always doing things is right, perhaps like
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  Speaker 2: I said, and then before you know, I might have
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  Speaker 2: been doing too much because I was so enthusiastic. And
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  Speaker 2: people have to understand that when it comes to bodybuilding,
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  Speaker 2: more is not necessarily better. It's it's it's about doing
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  Speaker 2: the right amount of training and then allowing your body
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: to recover because you do not build muscle in the gym.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: You tear muscle down in the gym. That's your stimulus.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: You build muscle when you're at rest, when you're eating,
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: when you're sleeping, when you're resting. So you have to
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: understand that there is a balance there. If you train
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: too much, you might go past your ability to recover,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: which another which is another part of genetics, because there
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: are people out there who can take an enormous amount
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: of training and thrive on it, and then there are
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: people out there who can very easily overtrain and if
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: they spend more than forty five minutes in the gym,
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: their body has trouble recovering. So you have to discover
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: this about yourself. So it's just it's a I encourage people,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: you know, to spec actually now because things are so
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: much different now than they were back then. Now with
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: social media, the whole world has changed. I mean, it's
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: just there's so many people out there putting out so
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: much content on so many platforms. You have to be
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: very very careful who you follow, who you listen to.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: You've got to really really make sure that you're listening
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: to the right people because a lot of people out
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: there who don't put out the best content. They might
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: put things out there that don't apply to you. Maybe
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: just apply to them. You know, I have to as
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: a coach, I have to understand everybody's body. I have
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: to understand all different types of limitations, all types of injuries,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: all types of genetics, all time, you know, you know
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: their work schedule, everything. There's so many things to take
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: into consideration. I think one of the biggest problems that
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: a lot of the young guys have out there is that,
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: you know, they'll just they'll just go on YouTube whatever,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: and they'll they'll find their favorite bodybuilder who is this,
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: you know, Olympia competitor, you know, one of the best
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: in the world, and they'll be like, oh, I want
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: to be like him or I want to be like her,
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: so let me just do what they do. But you
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: can't do that because number One, those people who you
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: see on those big stages are number one, they're genetic freaks.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: They're the ones who are on the farthest highest level
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: of genetics for building muscle. They're the people who, like,
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: for instance, somebody who plays an instrument, they're the people
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: who pick up a guitar. They never have a lesson
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: and they know how to play it. It's like unbelievable
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: because they're just wired for it. So you can't look
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: at these Very few of us are in that ninety
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: nine point nine percent percentile of genetics, so you can't
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: follow what they do. Second thing you have to understand
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: also is that there is the reality that there are
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: performance enhancing drugs that are you know that a lot
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: of these you know, will take. And I'm not making
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: a judgment on them. I'm just saying that you have
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: to understand that that's part of it as well. So
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: they because they do that, and because this is their living,
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: you know, they may be able to just eat, train,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: eat and sleep, their body can recover a lot better.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: You know, they have you know, extra things turbo charging them.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: So you have to be very very careful. You have
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: to find you have to. You could take some of
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: the stuff that they do, but don't follow it one
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: hundred percent. But you can't be somebody who's sixteen or
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: seventeen years old just getting into this and think you're
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: going to train like somebody who is one of the
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: best in the world who does it for a living.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: So you have to be very very careful about who
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: you follow. You have to do like what I did,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: You have to do a lot of research, a lot
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: of experimentation. See. I always tried to keep a notebook
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: of programs that I would use for say like eight
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: weeks at a time, whether it be a diet or
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: training program. How did it affect my body? How did
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: my body look before and after? How is my strength?
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: How is my sleep during that time? If this was
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: working for me, okay, let me put this and integrate
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: this into my program. If this is not working for me,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: let me put this out of my program and then
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: try to find something else. So if you really really
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: want to be you know, good at this and this,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: I'm speaking mostly to the people out there who are
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: of average genetics, which is most of us average genetics,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: who still want to build a spectactical physique. And everybody
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: can everybody can average genetics. Listen. I had looked like
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: zero genetics. I still ended up being turning professional as
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: a bodybuilder. Magazine cover adds everything I did. It. It
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: was a lot of hard work. It was a lot
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: of experimentation, you know, it was a lot of you know,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: like I said, integrating things, getting rid of things, trying
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: to learn from some of the best. And you know,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: don't only go to bodybuilders. Go to coaches like myself,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Go to people who train other people, go to exercise scientists.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of people out there who
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: may not have the physique that you're after, but they
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: have the knowledge. Maybe they're a coach, they train others.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: They don't necessarily want to look like them, but they
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: train them. So don't just go to bodybulage. You have
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: to really expand your knowledge base. Learn everything you can
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: about nutrition supplementation. It's a process and if you really
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: really want to be good at this, you have to
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: really really throw yourself into it one hundred percent, unless
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: you could, you know, hire a coach or a mentor
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: who's really really good and they can guide you, which
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: is what I do now. But if you're on your own,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: you know you could still do it. You just have
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: to take your time, and you know, be careful of
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: who you listen to, who you follow, and just you know,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: just put your mind to it and you'll get them.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: More than anything, it's about dedication, consistency, discipline, and passion
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: and belief in yourself. Those things are more important than
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: any of it.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Now, you just said exactly what I think our viewers
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: need to hear, which is what I was trying to
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: you know, talk about a few moments ago to you know,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: go deeper and look at the characters characteristics of the
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: person that allows them could be go from A to B,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: which is a huge distance of achievement and in your case,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: mega mega huge. So tell us about what happens. Well,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: first I have a question to ask you. Why is
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: it that most trainers are more rep oriented there. You know,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: they don't really train you. They just want you to
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: go to the gym and do repetitions and and then
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: somehow rather that passes office training. Why is that? Why?
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: How is that different from how you are coaching people?
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Most most of the trainers out there, again, this is
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: the problem with today. You have to you have to
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: be very careful who you listen to. Most coaches out
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: there put together cookie cutter programs for people, so it's
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: a kind of one size fits all. But how could
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: you get together a program for you know, a sixteen
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: year old who you know wants to gain wait for football,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: versus is a forty two year old man who you
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: know he has three kids now and he works a
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: full time job and he just wants to kind of
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: get his body back to where it was when his
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: early thirties. They're completely different programs. Same thing with women.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, what happens if a woman wants to be
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: look more like a bikini model versus a woman who
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: she had three children and she just wants to get
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: our body back. You can't give people cookie cut at programs.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: It doesn't work. You know, we're all individuals. Yes, we
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: all have generally two eyes, nose, mouths, we have a heart,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: we have lungs, but our genetic makeup is completely different.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Our circumstances are different, our time limitations are different. There's
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: so many differences between us as individuals that you have
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: to individualize a program. So coaches who just give people
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: here do this and I see it all the time
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: in it and it makes me crazy. Those are people
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: who they want to have a thousand clients. They're just
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: in it for the money because the more clients they
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: could put out there on the program. They don't care
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: whether they really get results or not. They just want
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: to make it easy. So they could give everybody the
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: same workout and it doesn't take a lot of time.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: The difference with somebody like me is that, of course
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: I want to make a good living. We all want
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: to make a good living. But for me, it's all
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: about results, and I want to be the kind of
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: coach that I would have wanted to have when I
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: was young. So my programs are one hundred percent individualized.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: I gather my information about each person. I have an
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: extensive questionnaire. Now I have a way for you could
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: do a phone console with me for free. We talk
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: as well, and I will put together a program diet
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: training that it's based on the equipment that you have available.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Maybe you train in your house with limited equipment. Maybe
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: you train in a full sized gym. Maybe if you
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: train in an apartment gym. I want to know what
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: equipment you have available so I can put together a
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: program based on that equipment. I want to know do
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: you have any injuries that I have to worry about.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Do you have any perhaps conditions or illnesses that I
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: need to know about that could affect you. You know,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: I want to see what you look like now. I
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: want to know what you are. Send me a picture
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: of the body that you'd like to look like. Take
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: everything to account. There is not one client that I've
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: ever had in my life that's had the same program
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: as another client. Ever, sometimes there could be some similarities,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: you know, body below. You know, because I have certain
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: theories of practice of what I believe builds muscle the quickest,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: the types of diets that I feel are the most
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: effective for fat loss or for muscle gain, But the
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: calories will always be different, you know, exercises might be different.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Hold on yards. And that's why I actually only keep
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: a certain a limited amount of clients at any one time,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: because I realized as I was going through the process
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: of evolving my business, there was kind of a limit
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: to the amount of people that I could train effectively
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: and still be able to be there for each person.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: So I want a person to be able to email
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: me and say, Hey, Eric, I have a question of
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: that's this exercise, or Eric, I have a question about
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: this food. I want to be able to get back
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: to them within twenty four hours and give them an answer.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: I don't want them to get lost in my emails
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: and like I never get back to them. You know,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: I want to be able to be really, really there
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: for each one of my clients. Maybe maybe I cost
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: a little bit more than other people, but I think
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: it's worth it because they're getting a real service from me.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: So I can train people anywhere in the world, which
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: is you know, I have clients all over the world
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: and all over the country, and I can make their
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: experience really like as if they have me in their
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: back pocket, you know, because I will be there for them.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: They could text me, they can call me, they can
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: you know, whatever they need to do, and I will
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: be there for them. So to really this is kind
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: of a real roundabout answer to your question. I just
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: think that a lot of coaches out there are in
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: this for the wrong reason. They don't have the right
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: mindset and they don't care enough with them my clients,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: I care about the results as much as I've ever
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: cared about my own. My clients are like my family.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: So when you become when you sign on with me,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: you become part of that family. And I will work
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: my hardness to get to those results. And that's just
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: the way I operate.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: So Eric, it's one thing to be able to do
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: a zoom call like we're are doing right now, and
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: to interact in that way with information and then follow
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: up with you know, written information for people to study
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: and then you know, go purchase the food and purchase
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: the supplements and so forth. But what about when you
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: go into the gym and that you're not there with
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: that person and they don't really understand form or functionality
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: for that matter. You've tried to teach them, you know,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: what what equipment to use and how to do it
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: and how many reps, But how do you monitor that
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: part of the program.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Well, that's that's it's a great question because when I
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: was you know, when I started out in this business,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: I was actually physically there with every person. I did
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: in home personal training, where I go to people's homes
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: and train them or train them in the gym. I
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: do less of that now, although a lot of clients
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: they'll come from out of state or even in another country,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: and they'll come and they'll spend a week with me
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: in Vegas or whatever, and they'll let me train them
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: to make sure that their form is right spot on,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: or the techniques that I've given them that they utilizing
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: them properly. Because I have a lot of very specialized techniques.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: I will tell people if you're a complete, one hundred
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: percent beginner, like you've never been in the gym before.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Don't necessarily hire me for training, because I think it's
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: important for them they need somebody to If I tell
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: them to do a lab poll down or a squad
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: or whatever and they have no idea how to do it,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: that's not going to serve their purpose. So I do
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: have some people that, maybe because you know they have
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: they have the funds to do which is great, who
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: will want me to put them on a program and
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: then they'll actually have a trainer. You'll be like, here's
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: the program, this is what the coach gave me. Please
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: take me through the workout until they learn. So I
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: could suggest something like that. Sometimes I could say, have
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: a personal trainer with you, who you trust there to
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: take you through my program and show you the proper form.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: I'm very exercise. But if you don't have that, then
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: I'll say you're probably better off working with a personal
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: trainer one on one for at least a little while
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: a few months, learn the basic exercises, the techniques, learn
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: the names, get comfortable with the gym, then come back
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: to me and then allow me to properly program you.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Although I could always work with anybody on diet, that's
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: no problem. But in terms of exercise is I want
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: to make sure I don't want anybody getting hurt in
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: the gym and everybody doing the exercises correctly. Because as
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: one thing I emphasize as a trainer, if anybody watches
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: my videos training, how I train myself and when I
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: train O people, I am a stickler for form. I
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: want the form to be perfect. I want the form
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: and form. Let me just point out the proper form
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: from one person might not be the exact proper form
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: for another person because everybody's body structure is a little
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: bit different, the clavicles, whether how tall they are, so
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: there might be slightly different you know, techniques or form
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: points that I have to point out for each person.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: But basically, I want everybody to use strict form and
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: target the actual muscles that they're trying to work, not
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: target joints or attachments or things that are going to
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: cause injury. Make sure, you know, make sure that you're
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: targeting the muscles, you're utilizing the muscles to move the weight,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: You're not using momentum, you're not using you know, cheating form.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: I think that's very, very vital for everybody to learn
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: right from the beginning a lot of Let me just
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: go back to before when I say, well, if you
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: look at a lot of the pro body whithers out there,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: not all, but most of them, their form is not
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: necessarily very good in every exercise. They're just so genetically
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: gifted that they can almost just look at a weight
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: and make progress. That's how gifted they are. That's not
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: the case for most of us. The case is that
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: we really really need to use proper form on our
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: exercises in order to properly art.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: You know, I think it's really comforting for most of
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: the people listening and watching that you're one of them.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: I mean you you are not a We're not a
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: gifted bodybuilder mesomorph. You are. You are one of them.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: So they can really feel that you relate to their journey,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: their struggles and the challenges to get to be to improve.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: So I think that's a big, big gift that you have,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: is your empathy and your your patients, because you're not
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: just someone that can walk into the gym and be
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: muscular the next day. What about your number of clients.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: I think you told me you have about fifty at
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: one time. Is that still the case?
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, fifty is the is my ware limit myself. I
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: fee limits myself the fifty clients if I go, if
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: I keep getting inquiries after that, I'll put them on
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: a waiting lists generally. And then it's normal for clients
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: to drop out in and out, Like I have clients
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: who will work with me for competition and then maybe
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: they'll take a couple of months off and then we'll
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: start again. So you know, usually people just can pop
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: in and out. But I keep myself to fifty. That
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: seems to be the number for me that works the best,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: that allows me to actually get some sleep at night.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: And you know, it's still like a treat everybody, you
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: know personally, give them individualized attention whenever they need it.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: That seems to be the number that works well for me.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: And then what what what's the charge? How does how
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: do your fees work? Well?
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: They can always go to you know, my website which
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: is ww dot browserbuilt dot com okay has this fee
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: structures on it. And then there's basically there's three levels
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: of programs at the basic level, intermediate level, and then
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: the advanced level. The advanced level is also like kind
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: of contest preparation level. UH and they're you know, each
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: level has you know, obviously costs more, but it just
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: depends on how much accountability you want to have with me,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: how fast you want your progress to be, maybe what
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: level you're at. Sometimes people will bounce back and forth
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: between advanced and intermediate, depending on where they are season
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: if they're a competitor, most people fall into the intermediate.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: In advance, very few people do basic. But if you're
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: limited on funds, and we all know the economy is tough,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: sometimes you know, I will. I will work with you,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: and sometimes I'll even make hybrid programs. If a person
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: wants to do something that's sort of in between one
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: of those programs, I'll come up with a pricing schedule
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: for them that will give them a little bit more
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: of an individual plan. Because I just want everybody to
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: get exactly what they want, you know, I want everybody
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: to get what they need for me. So and you know,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: if somebody says to me, this is all the money
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: that I can afford each month, this is my budget,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: I'll say, this is what I can do for you
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: for that. You know, I try to work with everybody
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: if I can, being fair to myself but also trying
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: to work with people. So just go to my website
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: and you can see the different It's easier to look
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: at it visually and if for me explain each one,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: because there's some that just our diet, there's some that's
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: just training, there's some that's together in one package. And
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: that's that's why a look at it. But I try to,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Like I said, I might be a little bit more
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: money than some of the but if you have a
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: cookie cutter coach, it's all about you know, are you
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: going to get any results for your money? You know,
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: if you're spending the price, that's meaningless.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: So you know this is customized. So why do you
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: have the aka Merlin?
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: That is interesting that So back in about twenty fourteen,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: I was living in California. I was living in Marina
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: del Rey, California.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: I lived there for a year.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Eric, Oh, digit, yeah, So I lived there for several years.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: I trained a golds Jym Venice, and I was working
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: with a I was working with a professional bodybunder. He
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: was getting ready for a competition and I was programming
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: his diet and his training. And one day he said
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: to me, he said, Hey, Eric, I'm going to go
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: to gym and I'm being filmed by this guy named
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Dave Borla who does filming, like he films bodybuilders getting ready,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: you know, doing their workouts and this and that, and
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: it got put up on a play platform for Muscular
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Development magazine, which at the time was one of the
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: biggest magazines, and they had a website, so those videos
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: were very, very popular. He said, I'd like you to come,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: you know, and train me on camera. So I was like,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: oh great, this, this sounds great. So I went to
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: to Gould's gym and we trained on camera in front
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: of you know, we did this whole thing, and then
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: the cameraman, Dave came to me after shooting and he said,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: he goes, wow, I really love what you did. He
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: goes your techniques and the things that you said. He's like,
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: he's like, everybody needs to know about you. He's like,
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: why are you not known by like everybody? And I said, well,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: I just haven't had I haven't had a lot of
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: video stuff. I said, also because I was more in
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: the realm of the drug free part of the sport,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: which is not as popular as the other part of
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: the sport. So I said, you know, maybe that's why
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: he goes, well, I want you to be known. He said,
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: will you do a show with me weekly? Will you
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: train people and you teach people? And I was like,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: of course, it's great and it was awesome. So in
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: through that I started doing that show with him, which
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: was called Broser Built at the time, and I became
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: his coach. He was a bodybuilder also, and he said
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: he kind of felt like he had reached his genetic
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: potential and I said, no, no, you haven't. I said,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: you just need to do things differently. He said, well,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: will you coach me? I said yeah, I'll coach you.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: So I started coaching him and I transformed his body
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: into something that he just couldn't believe that he can
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: actually ever achieve. And he said to me, he goes,
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: you are like a magician. He's like, you are like
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: a physique magician. He's like, I think it's like you
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: like Merlin the magician. And he called me Merlin and
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: it just literally stuck start. I used to walk into
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: the Golds gym all the time and it wasn't it
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: wasn't hay Ark, it was a Merlin Ay Merlin. And
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: then eventually I even got I had a magazine column
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: which was called Ask Merlin, and then and then even
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: now my supplement company, spell boun Nutrition is based on
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: the Merlin name and most of the products are called
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Merlin this Merlin Nat. So it became I have to
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Dave Orla thank you for giving me that nickname. It
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: stuck and it's great.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: That's what that's what we call branding. I even have.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: And then people would start to you, like even I
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: don't know if you could see this, he says, coach
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: coach Marlan. People started making me things, sending me Merlin dolls.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: I have over there Merlin t shirts.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Well that says a lot right there. You know, obviously
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: that's a satisfied customer who gave you a brand, a
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: gift of you know, a brand that is stuck with
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: all these years that have passed. So yeah, I'm trained
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: with in what was his name, Carl, You probably know him.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: He was He took me over to Golds Gym. That
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: was my one tore into Golds Gym. But I had
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: trained at his house first. I have his name in
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: my file, but probably is I just when I find it,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: I'll send it to you. It's it's his friend. Name
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: is Carl, and I just remember I went to his
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: house and somewhere near Marina del Rey and pained with
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: him there and uh then he said, well it's time
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: for me to take you to the gym. So that's
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: when we went to Gold. That was such an exciting experience,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: and of course I was get a little bit intimidated
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: when you're just a business executive who's you know, yes,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: interested in health and fitness and so, but you're surrounded
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: by people that are doing this for a living.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Well, he certainly took you to the pinnacle of gyms
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: at the time. Back then that was you know, that
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: was the place to be for everybody builder, actors, everything.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: And there were a few of them there for sure,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: not a few, a lot, but but I was you know,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: he kept me very focused on his program, so I
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: didn't get to really but you know, obviously you feel
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: the energy around you. There was another guy I was
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: supposed to train with. He was in Sandy Diego, La Joya.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: He also very famous to.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Live in Lahoya too, So who was.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: The big trainer there? A big big bodybuilder there.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: That was a lot of them. It depends on when
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, because I lived there actually from like nineties
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: for about a year and a half ninety six to
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: half and ninety seven.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: That was about the time frame that I would have
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: been there too.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: There was there was a lot of body builder was
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: there still, So it could have been it could have
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: been almost anybody.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well I'll find those names. It's just you have
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: to dust off some cobwebs. But yeah, yeah, So I
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: love Marina del Rey. It was so much fun. You know,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: I'm from San Francisco, but and I lived in Mariton County,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: which is, you know, a suburb of the city. And
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: I had a year that because I'm a real estate developer,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: and so I had a year of some projects. So
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: I rented a condo right on the water in Marina
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: del Rey, right, it was Araposa. So that's if you know,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: if you're coming into Marina del Rey and you go,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: you take that left right after the Cheesecake Factory, that
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: street there via whatever it's called.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Yeah, I know exactly where you were. Yeah,
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: that's where that's where I lived. I lived down that block.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so there were a lot of were you in
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: a condo there? House?
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: I was, I was an apartment. I was in a
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: really really nice aparment complex right on the water, right
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: on the marina. It was beautiful.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, time was called mine was called Free.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: I know exactly where you were. That's hilarious. I know
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: exactly where you were.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, down at the end of that Mariposa But yeah,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: so I think it was I think that was the
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: name of Maybe it wasn't. No, maybe it was just
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: via something or rather, but.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: It was via something. It was via something. I know
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: exactly where you were. Yeah, I know it's free. I
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: would pass by it all the time.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's free. Is a wonderful complex. So, and they
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: had they had a gym, so I always worked out
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: at their gym. I wish I had known you if
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: we were there at the same time, we could have
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: I could have I could have changed it. But hey,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: you know, people can come to summerland where you are
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: in suburb of Vegas and they can train with you.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Can you take them to your gym when when they're
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: there or do you have a gym in your place?
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: No, I don't. I don't have a gym.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: I live in a house now, so it's not over
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: a farmer complex. But yeah, they can go with me
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: to my gym and just pay whatever day fee or
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: whatever is there. That's generally how it works, right, and
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: I'll work with them.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because you know a four M is in December,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: and a lot of people in the watch our podcast
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: are a four M members or they are interested in
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: and going to a four M. So it's do you
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: ever you know Rob has a booth muscle and fitness? Uh,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: do you ever go to that that meeting.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: That I've never been, but you know, maybe I'll go
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: this year.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Maybe let's ask Rob if if you and I could go,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: I would come in a couple of days early and
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: come see you. And my girlfriend listened Summerlin, so I
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: could probably stay with her a couple of days and
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: get a chance to have your first hand experience rather
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: than just this talking, talking kid. So let's move on
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: to supplements and and and well before supplements diet, so
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: give us a kind of a nuts I know everything
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: is customized, but give us kind of an outline profile
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: of what people should do. And I know when you
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: and I had our chat a few a couple of
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: months ago, we talked about this and there were a
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: number of things that you taught me in that meeting
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: that phone call about different proteins. So for example, you know,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: I told you I take weight protein and I take
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: grass fed weight protein, and you said way isolate was
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: one of the best formed. And I had always heard
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: there was a controversy about way isolate, so I looked
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: it up on chat GBT just to you know, see
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: what they had to say in the AI, And yes,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: they do say that way isolate is has some controversy
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: because of who the people behind the product might be
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: in terms of how they prepare it. So why don't
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: you give us a little tutorial on wig protein. And
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: and by the way, everybody that's listening and watching today,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: please if you take plant protein, listen to Eric because
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: he does have a lot to say about the benefits
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: of using Way over plant protein, particularly if you are,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: you know, not a vegan or a vegetarian and you
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: can use WAY. So I'm gonna let you take over
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: on the on the protein, but also on the diet.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Well, speaking specifically about why there's different forms of Way.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: There's Way concentrate, there's Way hydrolysate, there's Way isolate. Way
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: just in way protein in of itself is a great
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: protein for building muscle because it's very very high in
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: the branch chain amino acids and branch chain amino acids,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: especially loosine. That's three different branch ching amino acids, and
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: one of them, hew loucine, is probably the most powerful
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: of the amino acids for building muscle, but actually can
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: also help burn fat as well. There's what you said
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: before is accurate. There's this goes for the This is
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: not just WAG protein. This goes for the entire supplement industry,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: no matter what you're talking about, creatine, beta, alanine, vitamins, anything.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: You have to be very very careful with who manufactures
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: the product because there are everything from raw materials are important,
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: how pure the raw materials are, how good the manufacturing
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: process is, how careful they are to make sure that
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: there's no contaminants, drugs, heavy metals, anything in the product
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: that can harm you. Also, there are a lot of
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: companies out there who you know, the label will say
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: using protein as an example, twenty grams per scoop. You
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: take it to a lab, you find out there's eleven
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: grams per scoop, you know, not twenty grams. So it's
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: on the labels, not in the bottle. That has come
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: along a lot. Now, you know, there are certain companies
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: out there, some of the more major companies who've been
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: around for a very long time. There's a reason why
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: they've been around for a long time because generally they
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: have good manufacturing process you know, practices. You can actually
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: look up on their websites or on the you know,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: to see, you know, do they have you know, what
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: is their manufacturing. Do they have you know, awards for
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: their manufacturing, do they meet label claims? Do they have
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: lab testing? So yes, the controversy is not with whether
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: way isolate is good. It's whether the manual you know,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: whether isn't really way isolate that's in there, because unfortunately,
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of shysters out there, which you know,
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: it stinks. You know, they'll say again it's ninety percent
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: way isolate. You find out it's ten percent way isolate
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: and the rest of its way concentrate, which is not
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: as pure as way isolated. So that's what you have
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: to be careful with. As far as Way isolate as
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: a protein, that's just the purest form of way basically
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: where they take out most of the sugar, especially lactose intolerant,
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: so it reduces lactose down to very small levels, which
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: shoudn't affect anybody who's lactose intolerant. It's going to have
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: the highest level of protein per scoop. And like I said,
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Way protein, especially around workouts, it's very very because it's
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: it's absorbed very very quickly. So when you're done with
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: the workout, your body is you know, you've you've exhausted it,
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: You've you know you've you've broken the muscle down. Your
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: body wants nutrition very very quickly. It wants it wants carbohydrates,
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: and it wants protein very very quickly. So you want
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: to try to take in things that aren't going to
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: require a lot of digestion, that are going to get
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: into the bloodstream quickly, that are going to get into
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: the cells quickly and start to cause recovery and repair.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: So Way isolate protein is excellent for this because it
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: is very rapidly absorbed, gets into the cells very very quickly.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: It's got that high branch chain amino acid content, which
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: is very important to have to workout. So that's why
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: I highly recommend WEAG protein, especially after workouts. I don't
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: recommend Way protein before bed because it's not long lasting.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: So it's fast acting but not long lasting. So there
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: is where I would recommend a good caseine protein and
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: a casine protein, especially mysolar caseine, which is last form
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: that will actually go into the it'll sort of go
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: into the adjustive track and sort of like form like
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: a bolus like it'll be like kind of like a gel,
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: and it slowly trickle feeds into the system so that
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: while you're asleep at night, you're kind of getting fed
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: a little bits of protein amino acids as you're sleeping
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: and it'll go for a good four to six hours.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: So this will help to keep you recovering, repairing overnight
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: to when you have a fast to wake up the
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: next day. So after workouts, weigh protein. If you're going
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: to use a protein powder before bed, which is what
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: I tend to do, a lot of people do it
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: because it's you want to do something quick. You know,
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: a casing protein is the best.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: So what about the people who don't eat anything for
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: the three hours before bedtime because that's what they've learned,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: that's what they've been taught that you know, you should
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: go to bed with a stomach that's relatively digested, your
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: your last meal.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Well, listen, if something if you're doing something like that
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: and it's working for you and you're getting great results,
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to argue with you. I mean, I'm
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: never going to argue with somebody that says, hey, like
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: you know, for example, intermittent fasting. I don't believe in
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: intermittent fasting. I believe in eating, you know, just the
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: way you're supposed to eat, you know, small meals throughout
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: the day. I don't believe it. But if somebody says
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: to me, hey, Eric, look what I you know, accomplished
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: with intermittent fasting, I'm not going to say them all
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: year wrong. You know, if you're doing if you're happy
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: with what you're doing and it's working for you, God
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: bless keep keep doing it.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: But when you and I spoke, you did mention atrophogy,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: and I'm sure and that that is important to part
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: of the program. So can you address that for a moment?
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: What what I think?
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that I think, you know,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: there's a couple I think actually, you know you need
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: to you know, wake up in the morning and eat.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, your body is in a facet state to
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: want some nutrients and and again there's a little bit
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: of a difference. Just just to go back, I don't
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: want to lose that point that you made about the
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: three hours before bed. If your main goal is losing
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: body fat, that's not such a bad thing. If your
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: main goal is more to build muscle, I would recommend
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: having something before you go to sleep, Okay, especially without carbs.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: You don't need carbs, but I would definitely recommend a
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: protein like a caseine protein before bad because I think
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: if you want to build muscle, you got to keep
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: the muscle fat, so you should have something while you're sleeping.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: I think if you have three hours before you didn't
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: eat before going to bed, and then maybe you sleep
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: for another seven to eight that's too long of a
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: period go without any nutrients, especially a protein if you're
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: looking to build muscles. So let me just make that
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: you know, you know, you know, make that point.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: How do you feel about the stem Greek eyes and
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: how they're affecting people's challenges for you know, trying to
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: keep their muscle but also trying to lose weight.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think that there's there's some value to
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: all of those things, you know, these different peptides and
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: fat loss agents and things like that. I just worry
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: that a lot of people use these things as shortcuts, yeah,
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: instead of you know, I had sent you a picture
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: in the email where you know, I'm not saying you
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: should flash up on the screen, but I mean I
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: sent you a picture of a guy who in the
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: email that showed a four twenty four week transformation that
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: I made with him, and I had a side by
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: side picture what he looked like before and what you
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: look like after. His name is Dave Swanson, who is
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: now a Spellbound athlete, I should.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: Say, And he.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Was two hundred and ten pounds and then when we
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: finished twenty four weeks late, it was two hundred ten
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: pounds and twenty plus percent body fat. Four weeks later
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: he came to Vegas to work with me a little bit.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: He was one hundred and sixty five pounds and about
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: five point five percent body felt twenty five. He did
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: not use He did not use any steroids, He did
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: not use any growth hormones. He did not use any
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: fat loss agents other than my vanishing formula. In fact,
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: the only supplements he used was my three products from
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: Spellbound Nutrition. That's it. He didn't even use He didn't
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: even use like vitamins. He didn't use anything else, which
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: I didn't even realize. He just said, no, Eric, I
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: just used your stuff. There was no drugs, there was
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: no shortcuts, it was nothing. There was just hard work
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: dedicated to my program. And he looked he was, as
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: we say in the industry, shredded. He was shredded. He
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: take off his shirt and everybody in the gym because
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: he has that kind of you know, movie after physique,
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: like that cover model physique, not huge, massive, just beau
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: for muscle shit. He was forty six years old. The
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: first time I worked with him was fifteen years ago.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: We did a transformation back then. He came back to
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: now at age forty six. We did this in twenty
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: four weeks. He's never been that low body fat. My
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: point is, yes, some of these drugs can be used
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: as aids, but they do not replace hard work. They
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: do not replace a good diet. They do not You're
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: not You cannot just take a drug, I don't care
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: how powerful it is, or a steroid and build muscle,
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: a burn fat. Without complete dedication to diet and training,
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: you could do amazing things. When I was a pro bodybuilder,
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: I turned a pro bodybuilder drug free again. I'm not
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: making any I will work with plenty of people who
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: use enhancements nothing, that's a wholly different thing. But I
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: turned pro. I did it as drugs, and nobody thought
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: that I did that drug free. Nobody believed me until
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: I started taking drug tests and putting them out there
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: and going, look, I'll pass every single one. You can
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: drug test me any time you want, and if I fail,
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: I'll pay for it. So I mean, you could do
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: amazing things. People forget that there's nothing more powerful than
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: food and training and rest. And there are some really
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: supplement out there. There's a lot of crap out there,
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: but there's some really good supplements out that really really work.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: You can do amazing things. You do not need to
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: use any of these drugs, like I said, an aid,
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: but don't use them as a crutch.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: So let's talk about Spellbound because that I didn't give
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: you a plug earlier. But I want everybody to know
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: that that is your company or you are. You are
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: a part of that company. You have a partner, a.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: Partner partner, Yeah, you have a partner in.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: The company in Michigan. I think you told me.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: It's in Billain's, Montana and he's actually the manufact He
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: actually owns the manufacturing facility that manufactures the products.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: And you said he's one of the best in the
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: world to trying.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: To manufacturing facility. Going back to what I said before
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: about making sure your products have the best raw materials,
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: the best testing. His manufacturing facility makes one hundred percent
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: sure that he only accepts. He tests everyone material that
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: comes in. If there's anything in it that he doesn't like,
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: it's out and test the products from point A to
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: point Z multiple times to make sure there is no contaminants,
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: heavy metals, drugs, anything in the product that should not
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: be in there. And he makes sure that everything will
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: either meet or exceed label claims so that you are
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: sure that you're getting a product that is the purest,
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: highest quality available. And that is why I went to him.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: His name is doctor Jeff Galini. He owns All American Pharmaceuticals.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: He works with a lot of companies. Him and I
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: have known each other for many many years, and we
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: started this line together because I wanted to make sure
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: that this was going to be the highest quality available.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: So tell us about the three products that your your
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Superstar took that allowed him to get from twenty percent
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: to five percent in twenty four weeks.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So the first product, which like our flagship product,
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: is called Power Potion, and that is what I call
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: A lot of people call him pre workout, so I
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: like to call it a word out amplifier.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, I'm writing this down because I know
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: I need to do this. When we get off, I
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: want to order from you, So go ahead, power power Potion.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: Well, I can always email you too, I can always
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: email you to Okay, all right, yes, I'll email you.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: I'll email you. When you see the website, you can
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: go and I'll give you my code. So Power Potion
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: is the is the is the workout amplification formula that
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: you know that product is put together. Here's the problem
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: with a lot of pre workout formulas. A lot of
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: pre workout formulas. Generally people they call them pump formulas.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: So you want to go into the gym and you
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: want as much blood flow to the muscle as possible,
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: and they will put ingredients in there that will help
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: facilitate that. However, what they'll also put in there is
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: a bunch of stimulants because they want people to like
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: get amped up and crazy. They want to feel it. Yeah,
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: The problem is is that stimulants and pump products pump
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: ingredients work against each other. So a stimulant is a
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: vassal constrictor it closes the blood vessels. The pump products
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: will open the veins up, so they are vasive dilators.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: So you're taking two things. They are going to work
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: against each other, so you're gonna basically not get nearly
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: good as not nearly as good of a pump as
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: you should now during workouts. I think that I don't personally.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: If you like to be amped up and sweating and
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: feeling crazy and that's your thing, then go ahead and
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: take a product. My product does not have any stimulants
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: in it. I just put in the ingredients that a
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: will support strength, will support muscular endurance, that will actually
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: support a branch chain AMINU. It's acids in there, so
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: it'll support the muscles so as they're getting broken down,
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: they're still being refed to not getting broken down as much.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: And then of course we have the ingredients in there
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: that are going to help facilit We have multiple ingredients
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: that are going to help to facilitate that pump because
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: we want as much blood and nutrients in the muscle
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: as possible while we train it. A lot of people
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: think that the pump is just an nice transient thing
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: and it's just like fun to have a pump because
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: you feel big and you feel good. But actually the
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: pump is very very important because the more blood and
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: nutrients that you bring it to the muscle while you're
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: training it, it's actually expanding the cells. And when you
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: expand the cells and the cells get expanded out, that's
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: a signal to the body that like they're going to
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: tear or something's going to happen, and it signals the
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: body to facilitate muscle growth. So it's actually very very
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: important to have that major muscle pump during every single workout.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: So this product is basically going to help you and
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: it gives you tremendous focus. There's also ingredients in there
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: that will give you focus, not a stimulant, but focus.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: That's acuity focus drive. Most people who take this product
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: tell me that when they start to feel it kick in,
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: that they just feel like almost like they're able to
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: shut everything out and just focus so strongly on every
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: rep and every set, which is what I want it.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: I don't want that crazy feeling, feeling like you have
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: the flu. You're sweating, you feel like you're bouncing off
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: the walls. Also a problem with one of those products
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: is that in the middle of the work that you
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: get a crash. You don't get any crash with power Potion.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: So I think it's a very very well put together
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: formula that doctor Jeff Glee and I put together. Everybody
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: absolutely loves it. The flavors right now, there's two flavors.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: There's pink lemonade and there's an orange flavor. Blood Orange
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: flavors are fantastic. They taste delicious so that they're eats
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: to drink. You want to drink them, uh, and they
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: mix fantastic. So that's the first product.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: So just just before you move on, what's the what
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: are those you know, wonderful ingredients if you just give
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: us a few, just to tease us a little.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: So we have the brand shann amino acids. We have
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: beta alanine, Yeah, citrilline in there, which is great for
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: pump We have krealkaline, which is a form of creatine
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: that costs less bloating in the stomach. We have pomegranate,
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: We have beetroot. We have, you know, all these different
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: ingredients that help to like I said, vaso vaso dilators.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: It's just it's just such a great ball around a formula, uh,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: and you feel good on it, and like I said,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: it just gives you a great workout from beginning to end.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: And if anybody wants to, you know, email me or
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: whatever body effects to at aol dot com, you can
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: get that too. I can answer questions more specifically and
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: go to the website.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, what was that again for emailing you?
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: My email is body b O d Y, the letter
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: the letter X, the numeral two at.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: Al at aol dot com. So bodys and Frank excess
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: and x ray two at aol dot com.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: Okay there, contact me there for anything for online training
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: or you know, whatever it is that you want to.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: Ask exactly I think, I mean, obviously I have that,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: but I want to our viewers to have it. Okay,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: So that's the power potion. What's the next one.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: The next one is I'm going to go to the
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: recovery formula, which is the post workout formula, which is
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: sort of like something I have worked with a lot
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: of supplement companies in my career, all great supplement companies,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: all had great products, all products that I believed in.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: One product that I wanted to see which I never
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: really saw, was a really really good recovery formula, something
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: that I believed would as you want to take as
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: soon as the workout is over, before you even get
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: to your food, that will help to facilitate not only
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: recovery from the workout, but also you mentioned it before,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: stimulate the M tour pathway to muscle growth, which is
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: our most powerful pathway. Right when you stimulate you will
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: stimulate M tour through training, but if you if you
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: want to push that even further, you can take certain
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: ingredients a formula that will stimulate the M tour pathway,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: which is going to basically increase protein synthesis and decrease
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: protein breakdown. When you when the balance between protein synthesis
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: and protein breakdown is way higher on the synthesis level
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: than breakdown, you are building muscle and that's what we
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: want to facilitate. And like I said, the workout will
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: help to stimulate this, but then these ingredients will help
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: to push that further. So the three main ingredients that
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: we have in what is called the legendary recovery of
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: Maryland's legendary recovery is something called mediator, which is phosphatetic acid,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: which has been shown in studies to stimulate the M
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: tour pathway. We have an help scene which has been
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: shown in a zillion studies to be the most powerful
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: branch chain of me ino acid and again stimulates the
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: M tower pathway, excuse me. And then we have something
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: HBM which also again stimulates the MP tore pathway. But
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: the good thing about these three ingredients is they all
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: stimulate it from slightly different pathways themselves. So in other words,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: you're getting like a triple You're almost getting an exponential
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: increase in the M tour pathway facilitation through these three ingredients.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: So that's why I wanted to include all three, because
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: I want this to give you that maximum facilitation, and
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: I keep using that word over and over. I also
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: include creac lin in here because when you are done
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: with your workout, you have basically exhausted your creatine levels.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: And creatine of course will become you know, through a
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: process in the body, will become ATP and ATP helps
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: a fuel and muscle. So we want to replace the creatine.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: I also have L carnatine LTAR trade which is not
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: only a good fat burner, but it's also does something
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: very interesting. It helps to upregulate anabolic receptors and muscle
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: cells which tends to downgrade during training. So this will
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: help up your When you upregulate the anabolic receptors, it's
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: just speaking means that your body is going to be
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: they're going to be more sensitive to, you know, bringing
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: on muscle growth, and so we want to have them
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: always at peak levels. There's also fenine which is going
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: to help you to just relax to bring quartersol levels down.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: So what we want to do and what we want
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: to do after a workout is we want to give
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: your body the ability to recover. So we want the
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: courtersole levels to come down, which are going to be
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: elevated from training. We want to stimulate the mpt our pathway.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: We want to up regulate the anabolic receptors. We want
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: to replace the creatine, and again creatine also does other
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: things that lowers myostatin. Myostatin is in the body and
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: it will actually limit the amount of muscle growth. It
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: puts a whole on muscle growth. So if we can
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: lower myostatin. It gives your body to build more muscle.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: It also includes IGF one levels. IGF one is insolent
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: growth factor one, which is one of the most anabolic
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: hormones in the body. Help stimulate that so you can
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: have So it's a really, really complete formula for post
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: workout recovery and making the workout that you just did
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: more effective. So fantatic, That's what I've always wanted on
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: the market. I love this stuff. Everybody who's taken it
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: tells me the same thing they said. After about a
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: week of taking it, they start to get reduced muscle soreness.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: They start to get quicker recovery from workout, from Morgan
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: workout to the next so that they feel better the
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: next day. They feel more recovered. They see their muscles
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: getting fuller, more developed, very very quickly. And then they
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: tell me if they go off of it, these kind
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: of see the reverse. So it really is an effective formula. Again.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: Another two amazing flavors. One of them is a great
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: flavor grape splash. The other one is a tropical punch.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: They are so good that sometimes people tell me that
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: they just even though they're not supposed to take it
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: at any other time. Then after workout. They'll sometimes just
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: mix a glass during the day and put ice in
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: and drink it because they love to taste so much.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: So another great formula, especially that pump the pre workout
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: and the post workout. Those two formulas together, what a
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: great way to do to surround your workouts.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: And then they just blagged me that we've run out
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: of time, but you said to us. A third one
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: is that then the.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: Fat burner vanishing formula helps to really really quickly. Has
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: an ingredient there called liziin five which is patented by
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: All American Pharmaceutical and Jeff Galini. That is the main
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: ingredient and it will pull the fat out of the cells,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: pushing into the bloodstream so that you can use it
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: as energy. And then of course there's a bunch of
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: supporting ingredients in there that helps you to you to
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: push those fat and make them used for energy. But
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: that is an amazing formula. There's not high stimulants in it.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: Just take three capitals in the morning and you are
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: good to go. Great focus, great energy. People use it
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: before cardio in the morning. Another fantastic formula. And again
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: Dave used that for his transformation all throughout and obviously.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: It worked well. Okay, everybody, So now you have a
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: program that is so simple. Just check out the website
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: and and and this is a package. You can buy
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: it as a as a bundle. I assume the three
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: on your website grip so yes, okay, so, and then
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: you should.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: On w that website ww dot Spellbound hyphen Nutrition dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Spell Bound hyphen nutrition dot com. Okay, we're gonna uh
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  Speaker 1: my assistant will flash these on the screen when he
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  Speaker 1: edits the podcast. So www dot spell Bound hYP hyphen
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  Speaker 1: nutrition dot com. All right, well, Eric, you've been great.
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  Speaker 1: I wish we had more time. I wanted to go
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  Speaker 1: into the nutrition party.
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  Speaker 2: We'll do it again.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we can always do part two, you know,
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  Speaker 1: very often. Just so you know, we've been doing this
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  Speaker 1: for five years and very often. We usually let a
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  Speaker 1: year go by because we're so booked, but we've had
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  Speaker 1: we have now in two thousand and twenty five. We
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  Speaker 1: have several refeat guests who came on like two years ago,
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  Speaker 1: and so we're we're you're on. You're gonna be on
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  Speaker 1: our list, even though I might want to do you sooner,
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  Speaker 1: but we'll try to do something in December where I
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  Speaker 1: come and we meet each other in person and i'll
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  Speaker 1: train with you'd be well, and then i'll get from you.
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  Speaker 1: If you say me the how to get these uh
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  Speaker 1: this product and with your code, I'll go ahead and
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  Speaker 1: get that today. All right, Well, thank you so so much.
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  Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed it as much as I did.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you did. Okay, good, all right, well, very good.
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  Speaker 1: I look forward to meeting you someday soon and maybe
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  Speaker 1: early December before A four.
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  Speaker 2: M sounds great, and I thank you so much for
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  Speaker 2: having me on. I really appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: All right, take care, have a great weekend.
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  Speaker 2: Byebye