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Theverist podcast and signing up today. Welcome to the Trauma Nevers Podcast, a
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show about the incredible people dedicated to helping those of experienced trauma. My name
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is Got macpherson, and my mission is to raise awareness of trauma and to
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inspire each of us to help those around us. All right, guys,
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you ready to go? All right, so here we go. So five,
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four, three, two and one are folks, Welcome back to the
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podcast. I am very excited to have my guests, Holly and Dylan Cumpler.
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Folks, welcome, Thank you, glad to be here. Thanks for
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having us so. Holly and Dylan our mother and son team of enthusiastic advocates
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working to reduce the stigma associated with associative identity disorder, given that the ID
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has historically been depicted in a very inaccurate, since sessionalized, and negative way
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in film and TV. Dylan envisioned and created his senior thesis film titled Pedals
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of a Rose at Chapman University, to realistically depict the day in the life
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of a woman with the ID. He co wrote the screenplay with his mother,
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Holly, who is diagnosed with the ID in twenty eighteen at the age
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of fifty one. Pedals Over a Rose have received international acclaim and Dylan and
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Holly have gone on to share the film at numerous mental health conferences and educational
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events. The film is being used by clinicians and training sessions, college courses,
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and therapeutic sessions. Welcome to the podcast. Thank you, thank you
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guy. You welcome. So before we get go in here, share with
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the listeners where you're from originally and where you are currently. I'm originally from
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Saint Louis, Missouri, but now live in Raleigh, North Carolina, where
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i've been for the last forty six years. Okay, and Dylan, obviously
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you're from the same place. Yeah, I'm from Raleigh, North Carolina,
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and I'm still in Raleigh, North Carolina. I moved around, you know,
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the Chapman Universities in California, but I'm back back here due to all
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those strikes. And you know California is expensive. Yeah, yeah, awesome.
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So let's let's get it. How did all this start. I think
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that's a very interesting question to begin with, how did all this start?
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So just quick summary of my life story in a couple of minutes is I.
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I was a tax partner at Deloitte, where I worked for twenty five
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years until twenty twelve, when I became extremely ill physically and had to take
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a disability retirement from my career of twenty five years. And after several years
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of trying to figure out what was going on with my physical health and getting
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it a little bit more under control because I had chronic lyme disease, I
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had mold poisoning, all kinds of issues that basically put me in bed for
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like eighteen hours a day, and we had a hard time finding answers.
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But once we did and got things a little more stable with my health,
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I went into a period of time where I could focus a little bit more
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on what was going on in my head and was able to start doing some
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work on my childhood traumas that I had never really processed or dealt with while
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I was just busy working, working, working, And as I did that
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work, eventually I got to a point in the end of twenty seventeen beginning
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twenty eighteen where things got a little bit i'll just say disturbing. It was
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a very difficult time. We called it the Great Unraveling, and we didn't
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really know what was going on other than we were having a lot of very
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scary thoughts and nightmares and flashbacks and things related to our childhood, but also
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other things that didn't make sense to us, and we luckily made our way
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to a psychiatrist who was able to diagnose us with dissociative identity disorder in March
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of twenty eighteen at the D I notice you're using us and we were diagnosed,
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and yes, yeah, for people who have did, it's very common
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to alternate between I and we pronouns because we are a system of twenty six
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people living in our body. So when I say we, I'm not talking
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about Dylan and me sitting here. I'm talking about all the parts with our
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within our system. Okay, thank you for that clarification. So when you
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started experiencing those physical symptoms were did you find that they were later directly related
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to what was going on with everything? I don't think they're directly related.
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I think it's not uncommon for people who have suffered with childhood trauma to have
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significant chronic health issues and in particular impacts to their immune system, which is
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what my primary issues are surrounding. And there's still issues for me. I
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still have to manage my health very carefully. So, you know, figuring
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out what was happening with getting the diagnosis of d I D is not directly
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correlated. But you know, our body was crying out for help for a
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very long time, right. So in the bio it said that you were
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diagnosed in twenty eighteen at the age of fifty one. Correct, Were you
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experiencing symptoms prior to that, the physical symptoms of well, symptoms of the
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I D. Yeah. So, D I D the tricky thing because it's
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a very covert condition by its very nature. You know that the identities are
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created to encapsulate traumas that are not to be shared with the rest of the
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self, so that the other selves can go to school, go to work,
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you know, do your job and not have to think about the things
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that happened. So because of that, the it's it's very covert, and
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you know, people can go through their life like I did for fifty one
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years without people really knowing. Oh you know, I have these different identities.
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I used to just think that I was kind of moody or I'd have
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these different you know, mood states of and you know, I think my
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husband and Dylan could talk about his own experience, but never really you know,
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put that together because I didn't really know anything about the condition, and
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you know, just really thought I was just kind of moody or erratic and
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you know, stressed out from working a very very big career with two children
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and lots of you know, things going on in my life. So you
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know, I wasn't really slowing down enough ever to listen to what was going
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on in my head. And if I had, there was a lot going
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on. Because when you have d id the different parts in your system,
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you know, you can hear them talking. And I would hear parts talking
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in my head. But I just thought everyone did, you know, I
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thought that that was normal. Like if you stood in your closet to pick
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out a shirt, that you might hear one part of yourself saying I really
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want to wear that red shirt and another person saying no, no, no,
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I don't want to wear that. I want to wear the blue shirt.
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And literally like hearing those voices speaking in my head. I just thought
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it was myself thinking. So, you know, looking back, once I
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got my diagnosis, I could say, oh, yeah, that makes sense,
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that makes sense, But at the time I wasn't putting any of it
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together. Appreciate that. You know what I want to do. I'm gonna
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pause your moment and open my window. Hang on one second, okay,
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just all right, So Dylan, how did you come into the picture here?
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How did this become known to you? Yeah? So I had plenty
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of clues growing up that she had dagg and therapy gramp. I would I
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would literally say, it's almost like she's switching on me, which is of
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course the verb when she's switching from one part or an identity to another.
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So there were there were plenty of clues. But then once she got the
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diagnosis, she let me know that summer when I got home, and I
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just said, that explains a lot, because it did. It made perfect
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sense. I'm like, okay, so you know, yeah, you know,
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she has trauma and it impacted her this way, and these identities are
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a coping mechanism, and she doesn't necessarily know that she's you know, when
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she's in this spider flight state or when other identity is out and so all
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I mean, despite all the switching, I still see, you know,
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there was definitely you know, she was just trying to survive and be the
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best, most professional, amazing mom she could be simultaneously, you know,
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working those eighty hour work weeks, and you know, having all these different
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selves could be difficult to navigate because it's like, hey, am I am
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I? Am I talking to my work mom? Am I talking to like
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my empathetic mommy? Am I talking to you know, like somebody who's gonna
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bost someone around who's still sort of in work mode or in protection mode.
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So it was just sort of difficult to navigate. But then the film came
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about because I needed a I needed a senior thesis film. And I'm very
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much pro advocacy for mental health because I know that's not depicted well in in
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uh in media, and it's not talked about enough. So I needed to
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sing a thesis film. And I was like, Hey, I want to
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make a film about D I D and accurately portray it, because there's not
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a single feature length film or TV show out there that has accurately portrayed the
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I D. So I set out, you know, to work with with
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mom here Holly and make make that and so far from the perception, I
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succeed. Part Yeah, I say, you're not acted out the part all
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right, we're gonna we're gonna get there. But I appreciate you sharing that.
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I want to back up here for a second and kind of address how
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the I D is portrayed and has been portrayed. There's a moment in the
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film where I think it's after he's right after the encounter with the two people
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and they're kind of out of the bedroom, and she explains to him like
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what it is, and it's like in one sentence that is so clear,
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you know, I was like, wow, this is like but let's how
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do you define how do you how would you define the I D. Holly.
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Let me ask you that. Well, you start with you have to
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define dissociation first of all. And actually I have on this great shirt.
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I've got some doctor Jamie Merritche Merch going on. Dissociation is not a dirty
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word, okay, And dissociation itself just means from the root word is means
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to sever, so to leave the present moment and go somewhere else. That's
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essentially what happens when you dissociate, and dissociation itself is a very common phenomena.
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All of us dissociate at different times in our lives. You know,
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if you're from the simplest thing everyone can understand is highway hypnosis. You're driving
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down the road. Next thing you know, you are home, and you
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have no idea what happened between you know, when you left and when you
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got there, because you dissociated. That's what happened. And there's a continuum
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of dissociation from what I just described all the way down to the far end
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of dissociation associative identity disorder, and with dissociative identity disorder, you know,
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what I talked about earlier is when a small child is experiencing a very traumatic
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incident, the brain has this amazing ability to dissociate from that moment and basically
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get away from it. Sever from that moment, and what happens with the
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dissociative identity disorder is an actual identity is formed to hold that memory. And
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that way, like I said, you know, Holly was able to go
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to school the next day after she had been sexually abused by her grandfather and
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not have to think about that because those memories were being held by another part
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of her brain, another identity. And that's what's so interesting about dissociative identity
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disorder is there are actual I said earlier, I have twenty six people living
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in my body. That's really They really are like separate people, separate self
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states. They have separate genders and sexual orientations and preferences. I talked about
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the colors of the shirts earlier. Just like any other person. They're very
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separate and distinct. They like certain music and so that's you know, social
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identity disorder is a condition where the individual's brain has been separated into these different
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identities to hold different traumatic memory so that all of that doesn't have to be
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held by one person because it would be too overwhelming. And oftentimes an element
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of the dissociative identity disorder is there's elements of amnesia. And that can look
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a lot of different ways. There's different types of amnesia. We could talk
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about that quite a bit, so you know, that's why, for example,
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the amnesia is what allows you to not know about it, right,
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I don't know about this thing that happened to me, and having these different
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parts. They're there, but you don't necessarily know they're there, even though
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they might be fronting and coming out and different ones are present. You're just
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you know, unaware that all of that's happening, because that's how the condition
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works. So I don't know that that was a very succinct explanation. It's
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a very complex condition, but one that is in a phenomenal coping mechanism that
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the brain has appreciate that. So, Dylan, I want to go back
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when you when you're when you found out your mom was diagnosed with the ID
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the idea you said, oh, it explained a lot, but beyond that,
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how did you respond? What was your response to that? Our response
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was, thank god, we finally know what's going on here. Yeah,
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really, I was thrilled that we actually knew what was what was happening,
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because you know, there was a lot of you know, suicidality going on
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and a lot of you know, bizarre behavior, like like we had to
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hide the knives in the house, not for our safety but for her safety,
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because there was one part who I'm going to who holds all this shame
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and anger and anger toward you know, the self, because thinking when you're
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abused, you know as a child. It's like my parents or my my
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guardian or whoever is in charge of me, they wouldn't do this to me.
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You know, we look up to them, they're they're a good person.
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So I must have done something bad. And so that's a lot of
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this shame comes from. And so in figuring this out, it's like amazing.
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Now she can get help with the trauma, in working with these parts
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so that she's you know, not wanting to kill herself or anything. Yeah.
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And when the topic of the film came up, Dylan, how did
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you approach your mom about that? Well? I was fortunate that it was
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during the pandemic, so I was already I was already home, and I've
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been struggling with ideas to come up with about for a senior thesis topic because
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I didn't want to just make some you know, just some some film about
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you know anything. I wanted I want my films to matter. I wanted
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to do were you are you? Were you a filmmaker? A filmmaker?
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Yeah? I mean when you before this film, were you like a filmmaker?
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Yeah? I've been making I was eight years old. Oh okay,
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okay, and he was in he was in film a film school at Chapman
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University, studying film production at Okay. Yeah, So so I was at
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home and I was basically was like, I hate this an important topic.
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It's never been portrayed accurately, and people to know about this thing instead of
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associating you with you know, Alphad Hedgecock's Psycho or you know Might Shallman's Split,
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you know, these these murderers. And and at first Holly was like,
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no, she it was too personal, it was too difficult of a
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topic. But I it was only I'd only been diagnosed for two years at
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that point, so it's still pretty fresh. Yeah, it was still pretty
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fresh, but I don't know. We talked about it, and maybe she
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slept on it or another identity came about. Was like, hey, actually
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I'd like this idea. Yeah. No, I mean when I heard what
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Dylan was, you know, his vision for what he wanted to achieve,
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I said, yeah, that sounds like a good idea, because it's really
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just so irresponsible what Hollywood has done in terms of this stigmatization and this portrayal
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of the ide And I knew that Dylan had the potential to make something that
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you know, could be an accurate depiction and that that could hopefully one day
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be helpful to people. So what what was the goal of the film?
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The goal was, Hey, I got fifteen minutes. How can I explain
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what d ID actually is, what causes it, what it looks like,
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and how people go about living a normal life with it and recovering from not
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the d ID, but from recovering from the trauma, because that's what they're
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recovering from, because it's it's a protective mechanism and a coping mechanism. And
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even though the guidelines trying to make, you know, go toward final fusion
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and integration, where you quote unquote remove the identities, most people don't really
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want that. It's it's the people who are, so to speak, singletons,
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are trying to help people cure the ID right now. I got to
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use my words carefully, but it's it's sort of like it can be very
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destructive if somebody is just like, hey, only talk to the quote unquote
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host. Don't let them dissociate. You have to talk only with the adult
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part. You're very rigid in your response to how to heal trauma, because
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that's really what's going on. It's it's you're healing trauma. And if a
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part who has trauma needs to talk about something, then by saying I'm not
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going to listen to you four year old who you know experienced this abuse,
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you're shutting them down. So so I wanted to show show that there is
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hope. And the ending of the film, you know, it shows her
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talking to her parts and thanking them. That's something that Holly actually does every
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night before bed, that's her part of her routine, just to show,
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yeah, this is how you know, working toward quoe unuote functional multiplicity.
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And yeah, let me just preface by saying, I'm not an expert in
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d I D at all, So forgive me an advance if I stumble with
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my understanding and and and and my questions. Holly, after your your diagnosis,
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what, first of all, how did you find somewhat to understand what
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the heck was going on? Yeah, this is a major problem because unfortunately,
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you know, therapists are not trained in school about dissociative identity disorder.
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I'm not a therapist, but I know a lot of them, and you
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know that most people will share with me that they get virtually no training about
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the condition in school, or they might get thirty minutes one day, and
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so therapists, you know, there's a they're not trained. And then where
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do they get information if they're not trained, Well, they might watch a
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movie or two where we're portrayed as very violent, criminal people scary. So
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there's all of these misunderstandings about the condition, and then they're perpetuated within the
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clinical community because there are these ideas like, oh, the idea is rare,
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you'll never see it. Okay, that is untrue. At least one
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point five percent of the population lives with the ID that's more than people than
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have schizophrenia. It more than people that have bolimia. It's a higher percentage
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than either of those conditions, which most people know about, therapists know about
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understand But the idea, it's like, oh, it's this big mystery.
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It's it's not if people actually, you know, take the time to learn,
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but they're they're not taught it in school. But for whatever reason,
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those the misinformation just continues to be perpetuated within the clinical community. So the
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you know, it's rare, you'll never see it in your office. Oh,
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because what they're looking for is civil They're looking for these dramatic switches.
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Well, I explained earlier, it's a covert condition. So no one's going
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to show up in your office with a different outfit every day as a different
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part. That's you know, that's that's not how it works. So the
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question is how did I find someone? Well, most people take a good
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eight to ten years to find a person to diagnose them with d id you
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know I've been in and out of the mental health system since I was my
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earliest you know, therapy was in college, and no one ever picked up
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on what I think looking back are some pretty good signs. Now, once
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I got though to that point of the great unraveling where things were really out
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of control. They were out of control because the different parts of us that
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had stayed silent for so long finally wanted to talk about it. They wanted
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to they wanted to be heard, they wanted to start expressing all these things,
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and they were ready to process those traumas that we had pushed down for
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so so long. And so that's why things were happening. That's what explains
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the suicidality, you know, and everything that was happening, and so at
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that time. You know, we went to a psychiatrist because well, we
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actually were on this search. We were going to a lot of different places.
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We went to see the neurologists because at first I thought, because I
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had had all this mold poisoning, I thought, okay, I just have,
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you know, a problem with my brain, and we need to go
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to the neurologists. Which at the time, my brain was so wacky.
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I was calling the neurologists the zendermologist, and I was I was speaking in
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all these badly words all the time, which is because I was like everything
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was short circuited and I was having in trouble speaking properly. Everything was just
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it was really that's why I call it the Great Unraveling. So when I
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went to see the first psychiatrist, after we got through you know, into
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the neurologists, He's like, no, this is a psychiatric problem. We
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were seeing different people, and you know, the first psychiatrist had no idea,
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the second one really had no idea, and by the third one,
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in just like four months, luckily, I made my way into the office
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of a psychiatrist who had experienced treating people with the ID. Where was this
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in North Carolina. Okay, the Raley Triangle Research area was until recently,
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the highest concentration of PhDs in the country. I think we're second or third.
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We're second or third now, Yeah, but okay is Raleigh, Durham,
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Chapel Hill. So my psychiatrist is a Chapel Hill, North Carolina,
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just down the road. And she had experience treating people with d ID and
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so she's a psychia psychiatrist, but she also does psychotherapy and she has been
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my therapist ever since for the last six years. She diagnosed me in March
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of twenty eighteen. So she pretty quickly could see what was going on.
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Let me ask you what did she do that allowed her to see this what
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was going on? Or what did she do? What did she ask,
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what did she not do, et cetera. So she, first of all,
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she did a number of screen used a number of screening tools pretty early
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on around you know, trauma and association, and you know, she could
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see from some of the things there that kind of confirmed what she was seeing
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as I was presenting, because I was presenting, you know in a way
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that was, like I said, the great unraveling, and so I would
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be I would speak with different voices, tones of voices, some might not
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realize those were different parts. She could see that those were different parts just
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by the level of different kind of the difference of how I would speak and
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talk about things. So you know, she she was able to see that
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those were parts. And again, someone else might not see that they were
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parts because they were expecting the different part to be in a different outfit,
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you know, because honestly that's what the media portrays. So you know,
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she could she could see that. You know, I was talking about my
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severe childhood trauma. Okay, so the idea I didn't say this earlier when
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I defined it for you, but it's generally happens with people who've had severe
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and recurring childhood trauma, generally before the age of six. So you know,
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I was talking about my childhood trauma. So that's you know, that
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was a that's a clue if you've got severe and recurring childhood trauma, you
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know, someone could have the idea if they're presenting with the different things that
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I had going on. So you know, I'm not a therapist. You
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know, I don't know if you asked her, you know, what,
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what did you see at the beginning that really clued you in. She'd probably
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be able to answer that better than me. Well, no, I and
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that's fine, But I'm just curious about your own experience because we have a
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lot of therapists and coaches who are listening to this who will benefit from what
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you have to say, and of course what that therapists might have to say.
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So Dalan back to you. You know, one of the questions I
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had was, Okay, you want to make a film about d id that
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doesn't necessarily mean you had to make a film about your mother or your mother's
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experience, right? Why was that important? Well, I mean, if
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this is a very misunderstood topic, and I have a great resource right here
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because we co wrote the script. We co wrote the script together. And
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again, I like, it wouldn't make any sense for me just to go
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reading about something that somebody else has and then go try to make up my
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own assumptions of what it is when I can make you know, there's a
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great quote. I don't know who's said it or if it's just you know,
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a general quote for people with the IDA, but like our stories have
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been told by those who have not lived them. Well, Melissa Parker said
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that as a quote in Jamie Marritch's Association Made Simple book, which for therapists
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listening. If you want a really good resource, I love that book,
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An Association Made Simple by Jamie marriage. It's really good at laying it out
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there because it's she interviewed a number of people, quite a number of people
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who have the ID and pulled together all of their experiences to use to explain
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it. And so it's you know, it's written from the voices of the
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people who live it, and people's experiences with d ID can vary quite a
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bit. Every system is different and unique and how we experience it. So
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I think that's what's powerful about that book is it has the perspectives of quite
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a few different people who have the condition. Just as an aside, how
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did you get in touch or meet Jamie? So, I think that's how
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we got in touch. It is y yeah, yes, yeah, so
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doctor Jamie Marritch. We met originally at the an Infinite Minds Healing Together conference
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and we met them in I can't I was twenty nineteen or twenty. I
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think twenty twenty is the first time we went to the conference and we met
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them there and we you know, started following them in their work, and
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then in twenty twenty at the or maybe twenty twenty one at the conference.
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Yeah, I was twenty twenty one. At the conference, I told Jamie
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that my son was making this film because we wrote it, started writing in
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twenty twenty, but you shot it in twenty twenty two. And twenty twenty
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one. I told her that, you know, my son was working on
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this film. And I had actually gone to another screening that she had hosted
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online of another mental health film, and so I said, hey, you
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know, when this comes together, might you consider hosting a screening? And
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she was delighted to she thought, oh, that sounds wonderful. So that's
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kind of how we got to know Jamie Merritt. And for anyone who is
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not familiar, the Healing Together Conference is an amazing experience. By the time
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this airs, it's probably going to be too late because it's February sixteenth or
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eighteenth of twenty twenty four, but it'll be around next year. It's been
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going on for many years. It was founded by Jamie Pollock and it's a
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conference where people who have did their supporters and clinicians who treat people with D
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id all come together. It's in Orlando this year, which it has been
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for a number of years, and it's also a hybrid conference, and there's
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probably four hundred or so people in Orlando, plus people from last year.
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I think they had sixteen different countries. So it's an amazing educational opportunity and
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community building opportunity for people who have d id awesome. Awesome. So,
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Dylan, the success of the film, congratulations. I mean, how did
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you when you when you finished it, what did you do with it?
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What? And what? What was? How did you want to get it
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out there? I kind of in the back of my head knew that Holly
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was going to send it to, you know, to people like Jamie Merritt
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and other clinicians that she was tight with already are close with, and and
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so yeah, I just sort of I'm like, she'll do something with it.
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But otherwise we went on a brief film festival run. But due to
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how you know, misunderstood already is people you know, looking at film festivals
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and or don't necessarily know what to look for those like, oh that's interesting,
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Okay. So my primary thing was not you know, to go get
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big a bunch of film festival awards because I'm like, this is pretty much
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understood already. But you know, I got no a few festivals, and
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it was great for my experience as a filmmaker, but overall, it was
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it was getting into the Healing Together conference and presenting the film there that really
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sort of started around the world. I did. But the first time I
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saw it, I mean when I watched the film. Dylan and I wrote
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the screenplay together, but I wasn't involved at all in the filming, so
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you know, he brought it to life on the screen, and when I
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saw it for the first time, I was completely blown away. I was
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like, this exceeds my wildest imagination and expectations of what this could be to
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be able to depict the condition. And so when I saw it, I
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was like, Dylan, we have to do something with this movie. It
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has to be seen because it's going to be very impactful for people who have
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d id to see themselves reflected back. They've never seen it completely in a
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way that is so validating, and that's the number one comment we get from
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people who see the film. I have never felt so seen and validated watching
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this film. Wow. So as we kind of wind down here, Holly,
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and I understand treatment is different for different systems. What is your treatment?
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So my treatment has been a variety of therapeutic modalities. I would say
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the probably most important one that has been impactful for me has been EMDR.
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We've done a ton of EMDR to you know, each of the different parts
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have their trauma and they each had to go through a process of working through
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those traumas and EMDR was critical. So was art therapy. We did a
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tremendous amount of art therapy at home collage. We'd tell our stories through collage.
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We did a lot of play therapy. We spent a lot of time
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because the different parts, a lot of them are children parts, they're young,
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and they would sit on the floor with their stuffed animals and they would
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talk about things and you know, act out the story of what happened and
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retell the story and talk about what happened in therapy. Lots of play therapy,
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lots of time and nature walking and talking out loud, letting the parts
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talk out loud and process what it haden. So a lot of different modalities,
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and you know, also see talk therapy with our with our therapist as
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well. So It's been a really a healthy process for us in terms of
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just the different modalities. And you know, now we've gotten to a point
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where I would say we are things are fairly stable. We still are in
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therapy. We still you know, have things that might trigger different parts and
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things that come up, but overall, I would say we're living with what
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I would call functional multiplicity. And that is what I think is the goal
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of many, many people who have d i D is to be able to
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live in a functional way with all of the different parts in the system.
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And finally, Uh, for you, Holly, what do you want?
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What do you feel it's important for therapists out there to know? I think
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it's important for therapists to know that there's nothing to be afraid of in working
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with people who have d I D. You know, the movies would lead
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you to believe otherwise, they would lead you to believe that were violent,
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that were difficult, But we are, we are hurting, we are people
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who have been abused as children, and we're we're not to be feared.
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You know, be curious, don't be afraid, seek out information about the
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condition. There's a lot of really good trainings that are out there. Take
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the time to get to know the condition, because you will you were seeing
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it in your office all the time, and you might be missing it because
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again, it's at least one point five percent that's with d I D.
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I'm not even talking about osd D and other dissociative disorders. So there's a
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large percentage of people that are coming into your practice that have these conditions,
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and I would just, you know, really ask that you take the time
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to get educated on them and watch watch our film. It's a good start.
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Well, I'll certainly have that linked up here. Yah, Dylan,
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how about for you? What's next for you? Right now? I'm working
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on a longer version of the film as well as a documentary on how d
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I D has been misrepresented slash represented. It's only been misrepresented, So if
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I talked about how it's been represented, it's all misrepresentation in film and television.
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So I've watched like sixty movies so far about d I D and all
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of them are Unfortunately. I'll end it being like, well, I'm glad
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we're finally at the credits. But the only other thing I would say is
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as far as the EMDR comment, just since there are therapists listening to this
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EMDR with d ID just no, I'm of course not trying an EMDR,
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but from the therapist i've talked to, doing some regular standard d E M
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d R with the ID is not necessarily recommended. Just don't don't jump straight
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into the trauma immediately. I would say, if you're wanting to learn more,
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try to take some training about EMDR and d ID because just jumping straight
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into that deep trauma memory instead of saying working from the top down into it
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can be dysregulating. From my interviews, I just wanted to share that since
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she said em DR it is incredibly helpful and important, but I just wanted
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to share that E M d R with d I D d D doesn't need
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a little modification. Awesome. Appreciate you saying that. So we'll have the
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uh the the movie linked up here at the show notes page at the traumath
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heaperspodcast dot com. In addition to that, was the best way for people
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to learn about what you're doing in order to get in contact with you.
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Yeah, so you can go to our website, Dylan's website Dylancrumpler dot com
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and that's in the show notes as well, you can follow us on social
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media. We have both Instagram and Facebook accounts and those are in the show
35:45
notes as well. But Pedals of a Route Pedals of a Rose underscore the
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movie for both Instagram and Facebook is where you can follow what we're doing and
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see what's happening with the longer film. With the documentary, you want to
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comment on writing in yes, so we're adding a submissions page. It should
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be on the website at the time this ERRS or basically any any clinician who
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has you know, has an experience working with the idea and clients of d
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I D if they want to share their stories about how the media has misrepresented
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d idea and how that has negatively harmed their practice and being able to treat
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d id I, we would love to hear it, because so far,
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from the sixty movies I've watched, I can't find a single accurate representation,
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and they're all are portrayed as violent in some way, and it's like,
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guys, please stop it. This is the ultimate victim blaming right here,
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for and for people who are listening that may have d I D. You
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know, we'd love to hear your stories of how you've been impacted by the
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misrepresentation and also your ideas for what you'd want to see in the longer version
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of Pedals of a Rose that we're making. And you know, I know
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this is primarily therapists that are listening, but there's a lot of therapists who
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have d I D. They're just not necessarily comfortable sharing that publicly because unfortunately
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there's even more stigma within the clinician community, which hopefully that's going to change
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over time, as there's quite a few clinicians who are trying to be vocal.
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Jamie Marritch is one of them about talking about the importance of lived experience
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for clinicians, and I, you know, I support that completely. So
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I would hope that more and more clinicians would be able to come out and
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with their experience and normalize it because there's there's nothing to be ashamed about having
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d I D. And you can be a completely functional you know, I
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was a tax partner Deloitte. I was living with d I D my whole
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life, and you can be a very functional therapist with d I D as
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well, and that's not something that people should have to hide. Yeah,
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well, beautifully said I appreciate you both being here, super inspiring. You're
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welcome back anytime. Love to keep up to date on the next movies and
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so forth, so whenever you want to come back, you're welcome. Thank
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you so much, great, thank you, ch all right, take care,
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hey care baybye. In many Common