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The Late Debate | 21 September · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the program. I'm Caleb Bond
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  Speaker 2: with Michelle Stevenson and Gemma Tognini. Now, ladies, do you
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  Speaker 2: know what day it is?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, Brownlow Day.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it is Brownlow Day, but it's also this. Take
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  Speaker 4: it away.
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  Speaker 3: Well played, sir.
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  Speaker 4: Well played.
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  Speaker 3: And what a great tune.
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  Speaker 4: I know, a great tune.
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  Speaker 2: And, of course, always a great night because you are
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  Speaker 2: with us. Here's what's coming up tonight. Victorian Premier Ben
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  Speaker 2: Carroll says the Liberals mustn't do a deal with One
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  Speaker 2: Nation to form government, but when asked if he'd do
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  Speaker 2: a deal with the Greens, well, it's a little more complicated.
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  Speaker 2: More on that soon. The wheels are literally falling off
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  Speaker 2: a certain brand of Chinese EV. Do you get what
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  Speaker 2: you pay for, or is it just the kind of
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  Speaker 2: defect that can happen not to any car manufacturer? And
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  Speaker 2: the Finocchiaro government in the Northern Territory has called out
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  Speaker 2: Labor at the state and federal levels for ignoring the
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  Speaker 2: crisis of Chinese... Or Chinese, it's the previous story. Child safety,
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  Speaker 2: I should say, in Aboriginal communities. That's on the front
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  Speaker 2: of tomorrow's Australian. But first, on Friday, there was a
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  Speaker 2: report released by a parliamentary committee into youth justice and
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  Speaker 2: the incarceration.
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  Speaker 2: Now, this came up with a number of recommendations around
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  Speaker 2: youth crime. They included a national minimum standard for youth justice,
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  Speaker 2: a national child and community safety task force that would
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  Speaker 2: coordinate national reform to the youth justice system, included a
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  Speaker 2: public campaign of evidence-based information on youth crime that, quote,
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  Speaker 2: the benefits of the alternatives to the incarceration of children
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  Speaker 2: to community safety and wellbeing, and also an inquiry into
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  Speaker 2: factors that contribute to youth incarceration. But as part of
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  Speaker 2: this report, there was an addendum from two senators from
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  Speaker 2: opposite sides of.
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  Speaker 4: The political aisle.
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  Speaker 2: Andrew McLaughlin, he's a Liberal senator from South Australia, and
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  Speaker 2: David Shoebridge, who I'm sure you would be well aware,
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  Speaker 2: is a Green senator. And they say that this report
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  Speaker 2: didn't go far enough and that it ought to have
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  Speaker 2: recommended that the age of criminal responsibility in every state
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  Speaker 2: and territory be increased to the age of 14. They
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  Speaker 2: write in their report, the lack of any meaningful national
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  Speaker 2: response to the youth justice crisis that is washing across
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  Speaker 2: the country is disturbing. Submission after submission from criminologists, human
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  Speaker 2: rights bodies, communities and frontline services told the same story
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  Speaker 2: about punitive laws created as a result of of political
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  Speaker 2: and media pressure rather than evidence.
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  Speaker 4: These laws are making communities.
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  Speaker 2: Less safe and mean children's prisons in this country are
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  Speaker 2: locking up children who are overwhelmingly poor. Now, as it stands,
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  Speaker 2: Victoria has a criminal age of responsibility of 12. The
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  Speaker 2: ACT has 14. The rest of the country has the
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  Speaker 2: age set at 10. And this has particularly been an
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  Speaker 2: issue in Victoria. There was a case last week where
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  Speaker 2: a child was released by a magistrate under Dolly Incapax,
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  Speaker 2: which is basically the belief that a child under the
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  Speaker 2: age of 14 is not criminally responsible, doesn't understand right
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  Speaker 2: from wrong unless the prosecution can prove that they do.
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  Speaker 2: So even though the age is 12, if it's sort of,
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  Speaker 2: you know, under 14, the prosecution really has to prove
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  Speaker 2: that that kid didn't know what they were doing was wrong.
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  Speaker 2: And in this case, Michelle, it was a, a 12-year-old
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  Speaker 2: accused of being involved in armed robberies and stealing cars
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  Speaker 2: and crashing said cars, et cetera.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, do we really.
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  Speaker 2: Believe that a 12 or 13-year-old doesn't understand that it's
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  Speaker 2: wrong to do those kinds of things? And so, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you've got a Liberal senator and a Green senator teaming
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  Speaker 2: up to say, well, actually, the age should be 14.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, come on. Surely well before 14 you know
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  Speaker 4: right from wrong.
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  Speaker 5: Well, look, and I hate to say this, but I
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  Speaker 5: kind of the words are going to choke in my throat.
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  Speaker 5: I agree with David Shoebridge and it really is really
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  Speaker 5: hard for me to say I'm not OK.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not OK. It'll be the only time I agree
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  Speaker 3: with him.
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  Speaker 5: But look, we need we need a whole approach that
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  Speaker 5: actually is holistic and covers the whole of Australia.
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  Speaker 3: I think at the moment it is fragmented.
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  Speaker 5: I do think 10 is way too young for criminal responsibility.
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  Speaker 5: It doesn't mean that they shouldn't be consequences. Early intervention
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  Speaker 5: is definitely something that we should be looking at.
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  Speaker 3: This is about evidence. It's about consistency. And it's about
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  Speaker 3: that early intervention.
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  Speaker 5: And I think that those things can exist in the
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  Speaker 5: same breath. But look, I think 10 is way too young.
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  Speaker 5: to be looking at children. Yes, they may be cognisant
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  Speaker 5: of what they've done, but are they fully cognisant of
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  Speaker 5: the repercussions? Do they fully understand or understand the magnitude
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  Speaker 5: of what's going on here? And when they look at
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  Speaker 5: the data, particularly young, poor children, they don't have the background,
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  Speaker 5: they don't have the support to kind of.
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  Speaker 3: Help them or guide them through that.
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  Speaker 5: So I think, look, there's a lot of things we
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  Speaker 5: need to look at. It needs to be a holistic approach,
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  Speaker 5: but I don't think the criminal justice system is one
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  Speaker 5: that we need to put children into. And the data
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  Speaker 5: is pretty strong that 84% of children who go into
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  Speaker 5: the criminal justice system between 10 and 13 are more
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  Speaker 5: likely to end up back into that system within 12 months, 84%.
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  Speaker 3: So that's quite high.
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  Speaker 5: So I think we definitely need to have repercussions for
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  Speaker 5: these children, but I don't think we should be putting
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  Speaker 5: them and locking them up right away.
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  Speaker 3: Gemma. Pausing for breath.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I am going to take the uncomfortable middle road here,
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  Speaker 3: the sensible centre. No-one's ever said that before.
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  Speaker 4: That's where the.
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  Speaker 3: Sensible people live. I think 10 is too young. I
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  Speaker 3: think 14 is too high. I think 12-year-olds absolutely know
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  Speaker 3: what's right from wrong. I also think the discussion is
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  Speaker 3: misplaced to some degree. I think we are not, as
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  Speaker 3: a country, looking at the societal fragmentation and the societal...
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  Speaker 3: erosion over generations, which has failed and is failing a
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  Speaker 3: generation of kids. Apart from saying, well, what do we
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  Speaker 3: do with a 10-year-old who is part of a gang
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  Speaker 3: who commits violent armed robberies? Why are we not going,
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  Speaker 3: what caused that child to be in that set of circumstances?
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  Speaker 3: I've read the data too. It's compelling. There's not a
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  Speaker 3: lot of wriggle room for doubt around it. But have
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  Speaker 3: we become too lazy as a country or too, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, reflexive as a country to not sort of
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  Speaker 3: do the hard work about keeping kids out in the
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  Speaker 3: first place, supporting families at risk in the first place.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm not talking about handouts for the sake of handouts.
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  Speaker 3: I'm talking about programs that actually deliver, work that actually delivers.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we've got, talking about my day job for
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  Speaker 3: a moment, a client of ours, a not-for-profit client of
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  Speaker 3: ours that is doing literally generation changing work in this
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  Speaker 3: space about early intervention, whereas the first generation of Australians
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  Speaker 3: who will not be going to welfare because we step
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  Speaker 3: in as a country and say, actually, no, there's a
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  Speaker 3: better way. And I just think that work is so important.
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  Speaker 3: It's unsung. It's critical. Like we wouldn't be having this
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  Speaker 3: discussion about the age of criminality if we were actually
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  Speaker 3: looking at the root problem. I feel very passionately about that.
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  Speaker 3: I was blessed to be raised in a loving family.
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  Speaker 3: But as I've written about in the paper many times,
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  Speaker 3: my late father was an alcoholic and I understand how
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  Speaker 3: those things can go one way. But for my mother,
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  Speaker 3: particularly my extended family, I have a great life.
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  Speaker 5: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: But I've frequently said I'm very aware of the fact
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  Speaker 3: that my life could have gone in a different direction.
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  Speaker 4: And I agree with all of that.
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  Speaker 2: Early intervention, of course, is the best option and should
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  Speaker 2: be the number one option. But, you know, in terms
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  Speaker 2: of saying, well, an 11-year-old or whatever can't commit a crime,
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  Speaker 2: go and tell that to the.
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  Speaker 4: Victims of crime.
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  Speaker 3: No, I agree with that.
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  Speaker 4: who have to deal with the consequences of this stuff. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: Michelle's not saying you should.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, but what I'm saying is that when you
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  Speaker 2: have the age... set at 10, it allows a level
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  Speaker 2: of judicial discretion in terms of how they then dole
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  Speaker 2: out a potential punishment to a child. And so if
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  Speaker 2: you say, well, it's 14, which is what the senators want,
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  Speaker 2: or 12, as it is set in Victoria, you don't
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  Speaker 2: have the option to do anything before that age. Now,
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  Speaker 2: a magistrate or a judge, it'll be a magistrate of
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  Speaker 2: the Children's Court, could, you know, refuse to convict.
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  Speaker 4: Or a magistrate in the Children's Court.
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  Speaker 2: could refuse to lock someone up if they think that
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  Speaker 2: they're too young.
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  Speaker 4: For that to happen to them. And do they have
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  Speaker 4: the option, sorry, to.
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  Speaker 2: And, well, there's no reason they can't, unless there's military... No,
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  Speaker 2: what I meant was... Minimum mandatory.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You've got an at-risk kid, because all three of us
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  Speaker 3: would have been... I've spent so much time in children's courts.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's the saddest, saddest thing. place to be. So you've
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  Speaker 3: got a kid that comes before a magistrate and the
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  Speaker 3: magistrate doesn't want to jail that kid. Perhaps sending that
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  Speaker 3: kid back to mum and dad or whatever situation they've
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  Speaker 3: come from is not the best.
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  Speaker 4: Outcome for that kid.
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  Speaker 3: So what I mean is, are there the right options
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  Speaker 3: that actually don't place that kid in further danger and
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  Speaker 3: further risk of offences?
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  Speaker 4: Of course. And the other thing I worry about.
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  Speaker 2: is that it becomes a green light to criminal gangs
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  Speaker 2: to say, well, I'll go get a 13-year-old to do
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  Speaker 2: all our work.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I get what you're saying. I don't think it
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  Speaker 3: is that.
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  Speaker 5: Look, I mean, Northern Territory, they did lower the age
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  Speaker 5: and then they raised it back up again to 14.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, right.
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  Speaker 5: So they thought that it wasn't working in quite the
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  Speaker 5: same way that they wanted it to work. But interestingly,
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  Speaker 5: on average per night, there's only 5% of those in detention.
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  Speaker 3: between the ages of 10 and 13. Right.
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  Speaker 2: 5%.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it's still a large number for that age group,
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  Speaker 5: and I think it's way too young, a 10-year-old.
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  Speaker 3: Like, I have.
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  Speaker 4: 10 is so young.
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  Speaker 3: I have a 13-year-old. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm sorry, the thought of him being locked up
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  Speaker 5: for something that he may have done.
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  Speaker 3: In a moment of stupidity.
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  Speaker 5: or a moment of stupidity, which we know does happen,
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  Speaker 5: and I get your point as well. There are gangs,
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  Speaker 5: there is crime, there is machete violence, particularly in Victoria.
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  Speaker 3: And we do need to clamp down on that. But
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  Speaker 3: how old are those?
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  Speaker 6: Kids?
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  Speaker 3: Are they 10? I don't know. But I think it's
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  Speaker 3: a bigger discussion. I think we need to really think
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  Speaker 3: about it. Can I just throw something in from left
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  Speaker 3: field very briefly before we move on? This is Senator
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  Speaker 3: Nick McKim. This is the Greens party that says young
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  Speaker 3: people can make life-altering decisions about things like puberty blockers.
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  Speaker 3: Completely different issue, obviously. But if we're talking about what
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  Speaker 3: a child can and can't The Greens are so confused.
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  Speaker 3: They're so confused. No, but I just think, like, it's
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  Speaker 3: not the same issue, obviously, but if we're saying children
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  Speaker 3: can understand complex matters that are going to affect their
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  Speaker 3: lives for the rest of their lives, we've got to
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  Speaker 3: pick a horse and ride it.
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  Speaker 4: I agree. I agree.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, yep.
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  Speaker 4: All right, what's happening down in Victoria?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, speaking of Victoria, so we're all familiar with our
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  Speaker 3: new best friend, Ben Carroll, the Premier of Victoria, who is... Look,
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  Speaker 3: he's doing an admirable job of trying to shed a
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  Speaker 3: significant amount of baggage as a senior member of the
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  Speaker 3: Jacinta Allen government, as Dan Andrews' government, particularly as the
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  Speaker 3: Transport Minister. Now he's saying that Jess Wilson, as she
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  Speaker 3: edges closer to the top job, and God willing she
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  Speaker 3: gets there, Jess Wilson needs to rule out any prospect
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  Speaker 3: of doing a deal with One Nation, at the same
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  Speaker 3: time refusing... to say whether or not he would rule
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  Speaker 3: out doing a deal with the Greens. Now, we know
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  Speaker 3: a little bit of research is quite telling. So nearly 90% of,
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  Speaker 3: I think it was 89.2% of Greens' preferences at the
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  Speaker 3: last federal election flowed to federal Labor, 89.2%. So no
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  Speaker 3: wonder Ben Carroll is not going to say, I won't
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  Speaker 3: do a deal with the toxic Greens because he doesn't
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  Speaker 3: think they're toxic because without the Greens, Labor wouldn't be
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  Speaker 3: in power. But I love this, guys, because this is typical,
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  Speaker 3: typical of the political left, typical of the Labor Party,
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  Speaker 3: rules for thee and not for me.
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  Speaker 4: Well, let's take a look.
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  Speaker 2: So this is in the space of one press conference
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  Speaker 2: this morning.
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  Speaker 4: It begins with this.
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  Speaker 1: But my challenge is to Jess Wilson to once and
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  Speaker 1: for all rule out a deal with One Nation.
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  Speaker 2: And then literally moments later.
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  Speaker 4: I am.
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  Speaker 1: Telling you right here and right now that that is
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  Speaker 1: an academic question because we will be winning seats from
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  Speaker 1: the Greens. I am not doing any deals with any
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  Speaker 1: party and I am focused on winning majority government.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, desperation reeks.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, it's an academic question.
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  Speaker 7: Will we win in seats from the Greens? I mean,
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  Speaker 7: you cannot in one breath say, the Libs specifically have
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  Speaker 7: to say no deals with One Nation and then when
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  Speaker 7: the same question is put to you, oh, well, you know, well,
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  Speaker 7: it couldn't possibly happen because we're going to win seats
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  Speaker 7: from the Greens.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not dealing with any party.
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  Speaker 2: Why can't you just say, I rule out doing any
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  Speaker 2: deal with the Greens?
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  Speaker 4: Now, personally, I don't think anyone should be ruling out
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  Speaker 4: anything at this stage. Of course not.
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  Speaker 2: Well, look.
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  Speaker 4: Because we don't know what's going to happen until the
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  Speaker 4: election is held. But you've done it to yourself in
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  Speaker 4: that position, right?
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  Speaker 3: Look, I get what you're saying.
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  Speaker 5: I do think, as Liberals, we do need to stand
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  Speaker 5: firm on saying we are going after Liberal votes, we
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  Speaker 5: are chasing that Liberal.
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  Speaker 3: Liberalism, that's what we stand for.
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  Speaker 5: We are not doing deals with One Nation because we
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  Speaker 5: need to differentiate ourselves from the party because we are
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  Speaker 5: our own party.
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  Speaker 3: Can I say something? That's what I think we do
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  Speaker 3: need to do. As a Liberal voter but not a
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  Speaker 3: member of the party, not a member of the Liberal Party,
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  Speaker 3: so just someone who wants to see the end of
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  Speaker 3: these horrible, wrecking socialist governments, I would be very happy...
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  Speaker 3: to see Jess Wilson negotiate whatever she needed to with
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  Speaker 3: One Nation in order to see the end of Labor
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  Speaker 3: in Victoria. But agreed. Agreed. Agreed.
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  Speaker 5: But I do also think that we shouldn't be making
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  Speaker 5: those decisions right now.
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  Speaker 3: No, well, I think it's the political. You know what
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  Speaker 3: I mean? We're eight weeks out. What are we at?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's roughly two months, yeah. But this is
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  Speaker 2: the point, though. I don't think the Libs need to say,
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  Speaker 2: we will do no... I think it would be stupid
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  Speaker 2: to say we will do no deal with One Nation.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
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  Speaker 5: But I also don't think it's something we should be
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  Speaker 5: platforming or making decisions on right now.
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  Speaker 2: Well, no, they shouldn't be coming out and saying, look,
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  Speaker 2: I want to do a deal with One Nation. I
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  Speaker 2: get you've got to operate as a separate party.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But I would be saying, look, you know, we will
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  Speaker 2: wait for Victorians to have their say.
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  Speaker 5: Correct.
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  Speaker 2: I hope when they have their chance to have their
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  Speaker 2: say that they vote for my Liberal Party. But if,
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  Speaker 2: on the other side of that, there is no majority government,
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  Speaker 2: we will do what we need to do to make
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  Speaker 2: sure there is a Liberal government.
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  Speaker 4: Callum, would you like a.
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  Speaker 3: Job with my firm? All I'm saying is a perfectly
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  Speaker 3: nuanced message. The other thing I would add to this,
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  Speaker 3: and I don't work for free, but here we go anyway,
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  Speaker 3: the other thing I would be saying is that this
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  Speaker 3: is the sign of a Premier who... you know, in
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  Speaker 3: one breath said, I will support this Premier just being
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  Speaker 3: former Premier Jacinta Allen because it's the thing that I
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  Speaker 3: want to show my daughter. I want to show my
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  Speaker 3: daughter that I want to stand up for women and
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  Speaker 3: support women and I am on the side of the captain.
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  Speaker 3: And then the very next minute, guess what? His position changed.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't that brilliant? This is a dude who is hanging
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  Speaker 3: on by the skin of his teeth, who is implicated
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  Speaker 3: in every bad deal of the Allen and Andrews government.
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  Speaker 3: Jess Allen just needs to say, why would anyone take
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  Speaker 3: his word for it?
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  Speaker 4: Don't call it Jess, Alice. The poor woman doesn't need
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  Speaker 4: that kind of damn.
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  Speaker 3: I've had a coffee, but I'm still tongue-tied.
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  Speaker 5: But, look, I think he's taking it straight out of
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  Speaker 5: the playbook of Dan Teflon Andrews, where, like, nothing is
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  Speaker 5: trying to.
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  Speaker 3: He's trying to make nothing stick to him. He's not
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: Dan Andrews, right?
• 15:13
  Speaker 5: No, I know, but he's trying to make nothing stick
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: to him.
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: Well, he specifically said, I'm not Daniel Andrews. I'm not
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: Jacinda Allen.
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: What he doesn't have in his favour, Ben Allen... Ben Allen,
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: who is the Frio Dockers captain on fire tonight?
• 15:25
  Speaker 6: No, yeah.
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: Ben Carroll doesn't have COVID?
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: No.
• 15:29
  Speaker 7: Wow.
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: As a fear-mongering, protective buffer.
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: Doesn't have a North.
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: Face jacket on.
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: But the irony in all of this, absolutely, which is
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: what he was talking about, is that Labor and Greens
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: are 100% in a coalition.
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: They are.
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, even on.
• 15:44
  Speaker 5: I'm a councillor with Waverley Council in Sydney's east. My
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: own Labor deputy mayor announced.
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: At the last... at the last.
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: Council meeting that she was in a coalition with the Greens.
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: She actually said it.
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: So I think, you know, they've just got to start
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: saying the quiet part out loud.
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: Are you going to be honest? People aren't stupid, right? No,
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: they're not. People aren't stupid. And I always say that
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: it depends on how long people are prepared to sit
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: in their manure floor as to how long it takes
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: them to change their voting habits. And Victoria is a
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: broken state. Remember that story that got broken a couple
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: of months ago, or maybe it was a month ago,
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: one day blends into another, about that secret plan to
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: possibly sell off Victoria Water? It's like the last asset
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: they've got left. It's like turn the lights off on
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: the way out, people. This is a serious, serious problem
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: for that state. And Victorians, speaking to you here as
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: a former West Australian, now blues person from Sydney, don't
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: waste this opportunity to course correct. It's too important.
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: I just harvest the water from the pothole. Oh, yeah.
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: Because they're quite big. Like dams, basically, right?
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: They are literally dams. They are collecting, they're doing the
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: Lord's work for you. But if you believe Ben Carroll's minister,
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: people love potholes down in Victoria.
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: They do.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: They're mad for a pothole.
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: They're mad for them.
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: Speaking of potholes, but not really, things that are falling off.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: Smooth, my friend, smooth. Try to get through there.
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: BYD has had to do an urgent recall, 6,500 of
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: their shark utes. because the spare wheel has been falling off. Now,
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: in certain circumstances, incorrect installation of the spare wheel, incorrect
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: positioning of the spare wheel, tray or insufficient fastening torque
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: may cause abnormal wear of the spare wheel support cable. Now,
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: that's all a lot of words to just say, we
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: really screwed up, and now the.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: Wheel just falls off. Now, is this indicative of a
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: bigger problem? I would say yes.
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: I think that a lot of these cars that are
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: coming from China, incidentally, are really made cheaply. They're really
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: put together quite quickly and they are cheaper cars. And,
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: you know, you kind of get what you pay for.
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: But another thing that has come to light, which I
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: did want to highlight as well, speaking of BYD, because,
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: you know, you get what you pay for in some regards,
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: but I didn't really want to know that China was
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: listening in and tracking me through my vehicle. So this
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: was on the ABC Four Corners. Let's just take a
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: quick look.
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: There is not a single fact that someone can show
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: me that says I should trust these vehicles.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: Okay, what can you see?
• 18:12
  Speaker 8: I can see every single system within that vehicle. Everything
• 18:16
  Speaker 8: from your driving state to the position of your seat.
• 18:20
  Speaker 8: I can see that you don't have a passenger sitting
• 18:22
  Speaker 8: next to you. Anything that's involved in the vehicle systems,
• 18:25
  Speaker 8: I have real-time visibility of.
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: So can you see where I am?
• 18:29
  Speaker 8: I can. You're next to the Soccer Academy at Centennial
• 18:34
  Speaker 8: Park in Sydney.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: Wow. OK, that's a little creepy. What else can you
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: see on your screen there?
• 18:40
  Speaker 8: I can see that you're travelling at 26 kilometres per hour.
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: Now, what is wild to me is that, you know,
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: they can track all of this, but they can't fasten
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: a spare tyre.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: Caleb, what's going on here?
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: Well, and so two separate issues. I know, two separate issues.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: That stuff is really scary.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: It is really scary.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: And that is tonight just gone to air on the ABC.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: We kind of knew this stuff was already happening. I mean,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: A couple of years ago, there were stories about, I
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: think it was General Motors got caught up in it,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: where they were harvesting driver data and then selling it
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: to insurance companies so that they could basically put up
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: your premiums if you brake too.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: Hard and things like this.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: There was a case a few years ago where workers
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: at Tesla were able to access the cameras on Tesla vehicles.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: I know you're a former Tesla owner.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: I'm a reformed.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: So keep this in mind.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: They may have your nude images over there.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: How did you know I drive naked?
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, look, because this case.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: He thinks about it.
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: Good grief. This is HR.
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: HR.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: No, no, so this case in particular was a guy
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: who had gone out to his car, like it was
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: in his.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: garage or something.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: He'd gone out to his car, he was in the nick,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: and they had taken footage, workers had taken the footage
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: and shared it around in group chats internally within Tesla.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: So it's not new that this stuff can be accessed.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: The concern, of course, with China is that if you
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: are a Chinese company... Because of the company structures in China,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: the Chinese Communist Party can basically come in and demand
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: all that data.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: And that is a real concern.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: As for the wheel, to be fair, and I'm no
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: proponent of buying a Chinese vehicle.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: Neither am I.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: But car manufacturers have defect problems all the time.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: All the time. More and more, though, I would say.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: Remember the Takata airbags.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: A few years ago? Oh, gosh, yes, I really do.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: Millions of cars had to go.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: In and be redone. Yeah, my Subaru had to go
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: back in because of the airbags.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: So I'm not going to hang them out to dry
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: on that one. These things do happen. And, I mean,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: you know, sure, you might get what you pay for,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: but if anyone's ever owned a British car.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: If you've ever owned a Leyland.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Do you want to get an Alfa Romeo?
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: You know, exactly, exactly. Well, I had a Fiat. You
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: know what they say about Fiat? Fix it again, Tony.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: I do love a Fiat Panda, though. Nothing better to
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: get up the mountain.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: I won't hang him out. What did they used to
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: say about Lotus? Something always goes wrong, usually serious. But
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to hang him out to dry on that.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: But the monitoring stuff is really scary.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: It shouldn't be happening, and I don't understand how in
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: this day and age... that wasn't part of a screening,
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: some sort of screening. But then on the other hand,
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: I look at how this, Government over the last two
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: terms has handled various issues of national security and I'm
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: not surprised at all. But there's a couple of things here.
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: I mean, we look at the government banning Huawei because,
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: you know, there were concerns over, like, Chinese infiltration.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: But it's not just cars.
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: Like, when you look at things like the fridges, the
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: fridges now that scan what's in there and tell you
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: what you're missing and can send that to an app.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: Oh, I don't believe in that. I'm going to do
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: my shopping.
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: But there's the fridges. There's also the smart kettles. There's
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: the smart toasters.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Hang on, can you talk me through a smart kettle?
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: How hard is it? You press it and it boils.
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: Well, sometimes I just need to, like, will it to
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: turn on. No, there's all these new appliances that are
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: coming out of China that all have the capability of
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: listening and knowing what it is that you are using
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: or using in your kitchen. What's more terrifying is the
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: person who goes, you know what I need?
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: I need a smart toaster because it's just too difficult
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: for me. I need assistance. No, I don't even have
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: a toaster. I don't have a microwave. I don't have
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: a microwave. Or a dryer. I don't believe in microwaves.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Let's not get into the tin hat stuff.
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: Oh, no.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: Give it to us.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: That's not exactly the place for the tin hat.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: Why don't you have a microwave?
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: Because it's not good for you.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: And what about you, Gemma?
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: When I moved house, I didn't have room in my
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: kitchen and then I realised everything In fact, none of
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: my Italian family, not one of them, owns a microwave. No,
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: you just reheat.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: You reheat it on the stove. There are other ways
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: to reheat it. Yeah, yeah. But what do you think?
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: Does it kill the nutrients? It does, actually. Yeah, it does.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: It kills the nutrients and is not very good for you.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: And why no toaster?
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, why not a toaster?
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: Because toasters take up way too much space and I
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: can just put it in the grill.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: Put it in a drawer. Okay.
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: No, in Sydney's east, I'm sorry, you are very blessed
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: if you have a kitchen that could house a toaster.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Wow. Because we don't have big kitchens.
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: I've got a toaster in there. I don't know way
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: too much about my life now.
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: I'm completely intolerant and I've still got a toaster.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: And the panini press.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't have a panino press.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: That's an essential thing.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Anyway, the cars. We don't want them listening.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Everything's monitoring you and we're all stuffed and Xi Jinping
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: is listening to all of it.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: But what about, like.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: Google accounts or TikTok, I don't have TikTok for that reason.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: Well, again, a Chinese company.
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: I don't have TikTok for that reason too. But what's
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: interesting too, and this is the one thing that actually
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: frightens me, is that the car was tracking it. Can
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: the car take over driving?
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: What's that movie? There's so many movies. This is exactly
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: what happened.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: The UK looked into it, I think the Netherlands, a
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: number of countries looked into the Yutong buses that.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: Were coming from China.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: Right, right, right. They've got kill switches built into them. Yeah.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: They can be disabled remotely from China. We should be
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: really worried about this stuff. But if you're not happy
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: driving your Chinese.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: But Handsome Boy's not going to be worried about it.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: Well, no, indeed.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: We should be worried about this at a governmental level.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: But if you're not happy driving your Chinese vehicle and
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: you think, oh, God, you know, all my toasters.
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: Listening to me or whatever.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: I just got to get out of here for a while.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: You might think, I'm going to go on a cruise.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: And that's exactly what a chap by the name of
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Mark Timothy Grant had been doing for a while, quite.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: A connoisseur of the cruises, it would seem. But all
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: of this.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Has landed him in the Queensland Civil and Administrative Tribunal
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: because while he was away cruising, and he used to
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: do this with Royal Caribbean, he apparently.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: quite.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Enjoyed a flutter at the casino and was quite adept
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: at winning money at the casino. And he says that
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: through the money that he had gambled at the casino
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: on these cruises, he'd accrued.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: All of these loyalty points.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: And so he decided he would cash in his loyalty
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: points and he booked five different cruises.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: And so he rocks up for one of these cruises.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: He's got the wife, he's got the kids, they're there,
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: the family, they're all going to take off.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: They say, sorry, sir, you can't come on board. You've
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: been put on a no sale list. because we've monitored
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: your activity at the casino and we think you're cheating.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: And they've accused him of card counting, which is basically
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: a method by which you, this is not something that
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: you do physically, it's basically just mathematics.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: It's just mathematics. You're just very good at it. I
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: think I'd never be good at that.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: You keep a track of the cards on the table
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: so that you kind of know when you've got the
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: upper hand over the house. And so they've accused him
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: of card counting and said you're no longer allowed on
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: our boats. So he's gone off to the Queensland Civil
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: and Administrative Tribunal and he's now won the right to
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: have this case heard. He says he wants his money back.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: He wants to be compensated for the crews he can't do.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: And the member of the QCAT, Samantha Traves, has basically
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: found it's a breach of conduct case. She says the services,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: the free cruises, that is, were supplied as a reward
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: for gambling on board. The contract did not need to
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: be for the payment of money to the applicant. It
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: needed to give a rise to a claim for the
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: payment of money. So that's the terms under which they're
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: saying we can actually talk about this being a potential
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: breach of contract and he can argue it.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: I reckon it's pretty poor on behalf of Royal Caribbean,
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: if indeed this is true, and it will all be tested,
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: of course, in QCAT.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: But if they've said to him, you can't come on
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: board because essentially you keep winning in the casino and
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: you're good.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: At mathematics in your head.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Well, isn't he within his rights to, like if he's
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: worked out how to beat the house, I'm sorry, you
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: offered the service.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: Why can't he?
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Haven't you heard that the house always wins?
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: I think the irony here, too, is, like, he was
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: already in trouble with a couple of casinos in Queensland.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: And he beat them.
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: And he overturned them because they had taken him to
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: court and said, you are doing this same thing. But
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: it is reminiscent, like, every time I think about something
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: like this, they're saying, you know, you're too good. We've
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: made promises. You've come into our establishment.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: You've gambled.
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: We've made promises. But, no, we're not going to give
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: it to you. It's very reminiscent of The Simpsons for me.
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: You know that episode of The Simpsons?
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: Six bells, time for closing. Can't talk, eating.
• 27:01
  Speaker 7: Fairly warned be thee, says I.
• 27:12
  Speaker 9: But the sign said all you can eat.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, the Simpsons always get it right.
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: They promised an all-you-can-eat buffet, but it wasn't all-you-can-eat.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: It's the same thing here. What do you think, Gemma?
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: I try to care about this story. I really try,
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: but I don't care because I would not... I would
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: do anything to not be on a floating Petri dish,
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: which is what I think a cruise is. And I
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: know we have many friends and many colleagues, some on
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: this network, who love a cruise, but it's not for me.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: I couldn't count cards if I tried, so... You know,
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: good luck to him. Caribbean, you know what, you offer
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: people whatever you offer them, you're going to be held
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: to the letter of the law. I don't know. I'm
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: trying to be invested, but I also am invested in
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: The Simpsons and that is a banging episode.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: Life imitates art or art imitates life.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: Correct, correct.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: But why should the House have the right to basically
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: say you're never allowed to win or if you win
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: too much you get cut off?
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: This happens with bookies now as well.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: You know, you win too much money on the horses
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: and all of a sudden they cut your account off
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: because they go, you're a liability.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Do you know this because you've been winning?
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, no. I have ups and downs. I've
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: been on a bit of a down of late. I
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: gave up punting for a little while. Had to take
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: your time away. I just had a bad turn. I thought, nah,
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: I've given them enough money for now. But of course,
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: because once upon a time.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: With bookmakers, before, of course, you had all these corporate bookmakers,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: it was the TAB. And the way the TAB made
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: their money was by you winning.
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Because the tote was based on everyone puts their money
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: into the pool and then the money is doled out
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: to the people who've had it based on how much
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: money is in the pool. And then the tab creams
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: their money off the top. So the more you win,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: the more you punt and the more money the TAB makes. Whereas,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: of course, now, with fixed odds, they actively need you
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: to lose.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: In order to make money. I'm hearing you and I'm
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: trying to care about this plan.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: You know what?
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: I do care. I do care. You have to care.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: Says who? That's what we're paying you for.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: That's what we're paying you for. Oh, OK, yes. No,
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: but my debate is that we really shouldn't care, but
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: I tell you what I do care about. I care
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: about Ed Sheeran because I've been to see him twice
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: and he's a tremendous artist who I think his heart's
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: in the right place, but he found out the hard
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: way this week what happens when you either do or
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: don't take a position, depending on your view on this,
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: but he essentially... You'd be across the situation where Macklemore,
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: some dude I've never heard of because I'm 50, you know,
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: got punted from his tour for statements about not actually
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: the most important thing about this is it wasn't what
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: he said. about free Palestine. According to Robert Kraft, who
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: was the owner of the venue, it was the lack
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: of context around those statements, the absolute erasure of Israel
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: and the plight of the victims of October 7. Ed
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Sheeran emotionally took to the stage at his concert in Philadelphia.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: I think it was today, our time. Very, very emotional.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Let's have a look.
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: I've had to take and make difficult decisions and I
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: am making mistakes and I'm so, so sorry. I have
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: tried in my career not to be a political commentator
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: of any kind because I want my music and shows
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: to be about unity, not division. What happened in Israel
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: and at the Nova Music Festival on October 7th was
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: horrific and compounded centuries of Jewish pain. What is happening
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: in Gaza is catastrophic and unjustifiable and disproportionate.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: So we're going to have a discussion because I can
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: see Michelle champing at the bit, but let me tell
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: you one thing that is not disproportionate. If you understand,
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: anyone that understands what happened to the victims of October 7,
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: not just on the day, but the hundreds of days
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: afterwards in which victims and hostages were held underground, Omar Shemtov,
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: who I've met and interviewed, 505 days underground as a
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: hostage in Gaza. He can't sleep now. unless it's pitch
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: black in his bedroom because he was a hostage for
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: 505 days. Herschel Goldberg Poland executed, executed for what? Being
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: a Jew. And let's talk about the Bieber's children who
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: were taken from their home, toddlers and their mother, brutally
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: murdered by hand. Let's talk about the dozens and dozens
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: of women who were sexually violated in the most horrific,
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: demeaning way. And Ed Sheeran respectfully says it's disproportionate. I
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: say get your ass over there, Ed. Do a concert
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: at Nova. Do a concert in Ramallah, Kan Yunis, any
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: place like that. See how far you get it. I'm
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: sorry if I'm angry, but I am angry when musicians
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: or celebrities try to do geopolitics with an nth of
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: the information. They're allowed to have their views, but I'm
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: also allowed to point out how absolutely... hypocritical they are.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: I have no sympathy for him. A little bit of empathy,
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: but no sympathy. I think you're angry at the wrong person.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: I think this all started. He said it was disproportionate.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm angry at.
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: But he has been caught in the middle. He was
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: not prepared to actually make this statement. I think the
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: problem was the left and the pro-Palestinian mind virus have
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: pushed him to a position where he was getting. No,
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: but he was getting death threats. His family were not
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: talking to him. I'm sorry, he was put into a really...
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: Sook harder, Ed. He was put in a really hard
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: position and it had nothing to do with him. Promoters
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: cancelled Macklemore.
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: He tried to negotiate Macklemore to stay on that. He
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: was trying not to get involved and then, unfortunately, he
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: had to try and make a bet both ways because
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: he's trying to save his career.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: Do you know moral clarity is doing what's right when
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: everyone says it's wrong?
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: I understand, but, like, not everyone's equipped or has the
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: information to handle the situation.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Like you and I would. He's standing there in front
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: of an audience of tens of millions and said the
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: response is disproportionate. It is not disproportionate. He's trying to
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: win an argument he's never going to win, and that
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: is the problem. Well, then he should just man up
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: and be an adult. Well, no, you know what? The
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: left should stop out-lefting itself. It's not the left's fault.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: It is the left's fault. So the left is responsible
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: for what Ed Sheeran said. Yes, because they pushed him
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: and they pushed him.
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: No, they pushed him and they pushed him and they
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: pushed him.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: Oh, come on. No, it's been really bad. He has
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: agency as an adult. It's been horrific. It's been horrific
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: on him. And if you've seen the social media, kick back.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: Has it been horrific on Australian Jews who have to... No,
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: I'm not.
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: But this is two different things. I am not discounting
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: their experience.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: They are related. I am not discounting their experience.
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: But what I am saying is, like, this has turned
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: into something completely separate.
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: But what is with these... What is with people who
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: look to artists... Exactly.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: whether they.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: Be musical or actors or painters, whatever... for their political cues.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: And then get outraged when they don't say the right
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: things about it.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: Agreed.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Because the issue that everyone got up Ed Sheeran for
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: after McLemore was dumped was not even that, you know,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: he wasn't pro-Palestine. It was that he wasn't pro-Palestine enough.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And it's like, for goodness sake, like, if.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: You're... The biggest issue is that you've got to bring
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: down an artist or whatever because they've said something that
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: you don't like politically or they've decided not to wade
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: into a political issue.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: Get a life!
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: And that's what he was trying to do.
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: He was trying to not wade into the issue and
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: he got pushed and pushed and pushed to the point
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: where he felt like he had to say something because
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: it's actually been horrific for over a week.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: It's not that he said something. My issue and my
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: anger is around him saying it's disrespectful. I understand that.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: But not everyone is going to be across it.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: I agree.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: He has a responsibility as a platform. He doesn't have
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: a responsibility.
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: He actually didn't want to say anything.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, shit happens and I don't want to
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: do lots of things I don't want to do and
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: I don't have millions of people hanging off my words. Tonight,
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: another synagogue shooting in Canada. Language matters. Language matters. So
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: when we say and when people with huge platforms say...
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Israel's being disproportionate. Oh, of course they are, because it
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: feeds into what we're talking about. But I think he's
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: trying to have a bet.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: I think that's the problem. That's the problem. Anyway, let's
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: quickly move on to this story, because I find this incredibly...
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: Good chats, good chats. Good chats, good chats. I'm navigating
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: away from them and into this one.
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: In South Australia, I mean, this is peak South Australia
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: by my mind, so... Apple has been hit with a
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: $ 1 million lawsuit. Now, this has come from the union
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: there over their..... what has been dubbed their illegal iPhone
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: 18 launch rosters. So they're being accused of putting staff...
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: on changed shift rosters and they're saying that staff weren't
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: consulted and that nobody worked the change shift. They're being
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: sued for a million dollars. Look, this is just another
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: way that unions are not really working for the people.
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: Who are they working for? I couldn't even tell you
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: who they're working for because what they're doing is by
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: saying that they're representing the worker, they're actually making it
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: more difficult and more onerous for the employer moving forward
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: in my mind.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: Anyone got something quick to say about this?
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: Well, they changed his schedule by an hour.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: He said he didn't like it. They put it back
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: to what it would have been anyway.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: I don't understand the basis of the lawsuit.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: What do they want a million dollars for?
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: I don't know. It's just peak unionism, I think.
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: I think the SDA could find other things to deal with,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: quite frankly. After the break, we'll have a look at
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: tomorrow's front pages on the front of The Australian. The
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: NT hits back at the child safety crisis in Indigenous communities.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: Don't go away.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Alright, some breaking news for you. The Brownlow count is
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: in and the winner for 2026 is Nick Dacos from
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: the Collingwood Football Club. He's got 47 points. Second was
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Bailey Smith from Geelong, 36 votes. And Marcus Bondapelli came
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: in 30s, of course, from the Western Bulldogs, 34 votes.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: There'll be a lot of people very happy tonight, I suspect.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Not least, of course, the Collingwood Football Club that Dacos,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: of course, a very famous name for.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: In Aussie rules football is taking home the.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: Yep, was the Collingwood supporters happy about it?
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: Taking home the choccy.
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: And, look, it might be about the Brownlow, but we
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: also know that it's about the frocks. Always about the frocks.
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: And the Herald Sun is covering that for you tomorrow.
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: We've got the stars and the style, so you can
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: catch up on all of that is the splash. But
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: another little one for the Herald Sun I thought I'd
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: touch on. Dan, immunity threat. Now, we all love to
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: hear this one, don't we? Daniel Andrews and Jacinta Allen
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: would lose a special immunity allowing former ministers to dodge
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: IBAC and Royal Commission scrutiny under coalition amendments to Labor's
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: anti-corruption laws. Now, the move comes as Labor weighs up
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: changes that would enable more public hearings, force the anti-corruption
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: watchdog to publish sooner and make laws fully retrospective. Now,
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: this is something that I think is exactly what they need.
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: particularly as they head into the Royal Commission, into what's
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: been going on with the construction sector. I think there
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: needs to be way more accountability. I think Dan Andrews
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: has managed, Teflon Dan, once again, managed to avoid any
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: kind of scrutiny and any kind of argument.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: I must say I agree that they shouldn't have special exemptions.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: I do worry about more public hearings.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, I worry that ICACs and IBACs and the
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: like in general can turn into star chambers, whereby basically
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: people are convicted of a crime in public before they
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: can even establish that anything has gone wrong. So I'm
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: not sure I necessarily like that. But I don't see
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: any reason why a minister or an ex-premier should be
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: exempt from... from the purview of these organisations.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: We are on a wonderful unity ticket where that's concerned.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: I also think that the Royal Commission, in whatever form
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: it takes, needs to be robust and absolutely unrestricted, essentially.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: So it doesn't matter who you are, what your job
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: was or wasn't, you are there or you are in
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: the clink.
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: Indeed.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: On the front of the Australian tomorrow, forever deficit.
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: Up next, 40 years of intergenerational theft. Oh, is it
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: intergenerational equities, I thought?
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all equity.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Anyway, Jim Chalmers has assured Australians that personal income tax
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: cuts are still part of his economic plans, despite revelations
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: the country faces 40 years of budget deficits, ballooning debt
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: and an economy that will remain largely reliant on migration.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Very positive story, this one.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: Handing down his.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Second intergenerational report, which paints a dire picture of deficits
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: and meagre growth, Out past a four-decade horizon, the Treasurer
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: conceded the federal budget would remain quote-unquote strained but hit
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: out at political adversaries, catastrophising Australia's economic position. After Labor
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: failed to keep its 2022 election promise to cut power
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: bills by $ 275, the report claims household energy costs will
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: fall by.
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: $ 4, 300 a year. due to the electrification of cars and homes.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: He's on crack, I reckon.
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: That's pretty good.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: Did you see his media conference today? Yes, I did.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: I had to cover it. Yeah, his responses were delivered
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: with all of the confidence of a guy who goes, yeah,
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: I've just joined the gym on January 1 and I'll
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: still be here by February. Like, he's just, there was
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: no conviction in his words. I just looked at that
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: and went, we're in dire straits. I mean, obviously the
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: guy's never built anything, run anything, been responsible for anything.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: He's PhD. Might I remind you, viewers, he's got an
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: arts degree. His PhD is in Paul Keating. You know,
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: I've run a business... Which is, like, my favourite thing.
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: I've run a business in the real economy for 23 years.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: I have more fiscal experience than this boy.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, and not even Paul Keating's sort of, you know,
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: prowess as a Treasurer or a Prime Minister.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: Paul Keating the brawler. It's his work in Parliament in
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: question time.
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: Which is incredible, incredible stuff. You can't even write it.
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: It kind of writes itself.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: And we can't... It's not hard to connect the dots, right?
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: Oh, dear.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: I don't even think there's dots to connect.
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: Correct.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: I think they're all over the place.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: And, you know, the birth rate through the floor, we're
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: going to hit the tipping point.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: I failed you there, guys.
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: Sorry. The population is going to start going backwards in
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: the 2060s.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: Don't worry, we've got AI. I have an AI baby.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: Oh, good grief. ChatGPT is sexy. You're worried about... Excuse me?
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: My ChatGPT is quite sexy. He's got a really nice voice.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: I don't get it. Do you have dirty converse?
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I do.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: I talk to him. I tell him to talk.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: Where is this going? Is he a bit hot and heavy?
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: He's hot and heavy. He's got a really cute British
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: accent and I'm kind of happy with it. So when
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: I changed my phone, I got a new Siri and
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: it was a different lady with a different voice and
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: I swish it was judging me. I've got male Siri.
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: Well, there you go.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Caleb's like raining it back in.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Michelle sexts with Tadji Big T the more you learn
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: on this program. Another story, a bit of a change
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: of pace, quite serious this one. NT blasts Labor silence
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: on WA news.
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: Child crisis.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: The Finocchiaro government has attacked federal and state Labor ministers
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: for saying nothing, quote-unquote, about the neglect and murder of
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Aboriginal children in Western Australia just months after they jointly
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: rounded on the Chief Minister for requiring child protection workers
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: to make safety of the child the top priority in
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: all decisions. I mean, what a strange thing to do.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanese, while on a trip to New York on Monday,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: deflected questions on the child protection crisis in the Pilbara
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: region north of Perth saying he was not about to
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: intervene on the issue and putting the onus onto the
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: West Australian government in a response angering some Aboriginal leaders
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: after weeks of shocking reports of Aboriginal children being left
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: to fend for themselves in squalid conditions. Mr Albanese said, quote,
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: this is a Western Australian issue.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: There is not a problem or a crisis or a
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: significant issue facing this country that this Prime Minister will
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: not run away from. He is allergic to accountability. He
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: is good time DJ handsome boy and that is it.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: That is a disgusting thing for him to have said.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: It's not leadership. It's not leadership.
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: And not even, this isn't even just a Western Australian problem.
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: This is an Australian problem and it's disgusting to me
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: the silence that we've come to know from the Labor
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: government when it comes to anything to do with Indigenous.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: So he messed up the voice. He politicised the voice.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: He tried to tell Australians that it would make everything better.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: Then when Australians said, no, we don't think so, and
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: they voted the way they voted, his response, if you
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: remember rightly, well, it wasn't my loss because nothing is
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: ever this man's responsibility. No. Moving on to The Daily Telegraph,
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: and we have a fantastic big front page splash there,
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: a walk-up start for the Roosters. That is Sam Walker,
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: and I know that because the newspaper is telling me
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: that it's Sam Walker. Because I am an NRL enthusiast
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: and a proud member of the North Sydney Bears, but
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: that's by the by. Sam Walker looks ready to return
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: from injury for Friday's NRL preliminary final. That is their
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: lead story in sport. But just below that, Sydney's missing link.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: Exclusive Labor's secret wish list for bumper metro. A Sydney, sorry,
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: a dozen new metro stations have been mapped out for
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: Sydney's west with suburbs including Marsden Park and Oran Park
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: targeted for driverless trains according to secret state government modelling.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: The plans uncovered by the Daily Telegraph are yet to
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: be formally considered by the Minsk government, but map out
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: how the Western Sydney Airport metro line could be extended
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: to Tallawong in the north-west or to Leppington and Oran
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Park in the south-west. this is the sort of leaked
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: documents you want. This is a great yarn.
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: They couldn't even finish building, you know, the metro stations
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: that the coalition, the former coalition government had done. Well,
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: I should say thanks to Gladys and Dom. So, you know,
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: I'm like, you know, I doubt they'll even get to it.
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: Let's quickly go to the Tizer where it's CBD's huge
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: body blow. Adelaide foot traffic drops by nearly 17 million
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: annual visits. Foot traffic in the Adelaide CBD has fallen
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: by almost 17 million visitors since 2023. As traders say,
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: online shopping and competition from suburban shopping centres has left
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: the city a ghost town. Data collected from retail analyst
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: Kepler Analytics and published by Adelaide City Council reveals CBD
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: visitor numbers worth $ 138.
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  Speaker 3: 8 million.
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  Speaker 5: In 2023, but that dropped to 130.6 million in 2024
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  Speaker 5: and 120 million last year. Visitation numbers from January to
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: July this year were down the same period in 2025.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is something we're seeing everywhere, isn't it?
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: It's quite sad for our capital cities. Just very quickly
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: on the front of the Cairns Post. Costly man cave spree.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: A Mariba man broke down in court while being sentenced
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: over a bizarre roadside stealing spree driven by his dream
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: of decking out a man cave. Police uncovered a huge
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: stash of public property, including 23 traffic signs, five trailers,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: a port-a-loo, power equipment, national park signs and other roadside
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: gear worth tens of thousands of dollars. And the chap,
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Tristan John Milford, he pleaded guilty in Cairns to 19 charges.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: including receiving tainted property and unlawful possession.
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: Of a motor vehicle.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: What a man, Gabe, eh?
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: After the break, if you're worried about crocs in Queensland
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: during the Olympics, the BBC went looking for them.
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: But were they looking in the right place? That's next.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we started the show with a bit of music, Earth,
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Wind and Fire, and I think we might round it
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: out with a little bit of music.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: Look, at the weekend, John Farnham may not have been there,
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: but his emotional tribute concert kind of had him everywhere.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: Let's take a look.
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  Speaker 6: MUSIC PLAYS.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, as you saw, there was... Barnsley was there, John
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: Stevens was there, Jess Malboy. But internationally, we had the
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: likes of Celine Dion performing. She sang her rendition of
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: You're The Voice. We also had, you know, Coldplay's Chris Martin.
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: He's the lead singer. And it was literally the most spectacular,
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: beautiful tribute. Unfortunately, he wasn't able to be there because
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: the 77-year-old is actually quite ill. But what a way
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: to acknowledge one of Australia's icons.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: Does anyone know... Did anyone perform Sadie, the cleaning lady?
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: Oh, yes, remember that song.
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: I forgot about that. Such a paradise.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there's so much in Frank's back catalogue.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: Burn for you, burn for you.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: And when he went off to the Little River, I
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: think he did great work with the Little.
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: River as well.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: Look, I'm not OK.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: Playing to win. What a great song.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: And he literally is indicative of the Australia that we
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: grew up in, you know, slip and slides, you.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: Know, all the things.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: 100%.
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: You think of Fonzie and you think of what it
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: was like to grow up in the 80s.
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: Well, you know what else is Australian? Crocodiles.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: Let's talk about crocodiles. If anything says the BBC in 2026,
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: it's this story. So as we know, we have the
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: Olympics coming to Australia. We have the BBC telling its
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: viewers that we have approved here in Australia a croc-infested
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: waterway for Olympic events. Let's take a look at what
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: the BBC told their audience about the Fitzroy River.
• 47:52
  Speaker 9: A river home to 500 crocodiles has been chosen as
• 47:55
  Speaker 9: an Olympic rowing venue. The Fitzroy River in Rockhampton, Queensland
• 48:00
  Speaker 9: has been given the OK to host the Olympic and
• 48:02
  Speaker 9: Paralympic rowing and canoeing events. There's been lots of opposition
• 48:06
  Speaker 9: with concerns over flood risk, strong currents and of course
• 48:09
  Speaker 9: the crocodiles, which can grow to up to six metres long.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: Now, who would have thought that a country as vast
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: as Australia might have two rivers called the Fitzroy River,
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: one being in the Kimberley and, yes, croc-infested, and one
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: being in Rockhampton, which is not, in fact, croc-infested. Also
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: happens to be in the state where the Olympics are
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: being held. Imagine the fact-checkers at the BBC. Nah, don't
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: worry about me.
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: Got the wrong river.
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: But can I just quickly say maybe it's a ploy,
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: maybe we're just trying to scare them because, you know,
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: when it comes to the Olympics, they're going to have
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: to be chased by crocs.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: It'd be more fun if we did it with Crocs
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: in the River, to be perfectly honest. Hey, quickly, before
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: we go, how about this chap? I'm going to give
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: him what Lawsey would have called the yay for the day.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: Flying around his plane in the United States over Oklahoma
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: and Arkansas... And he has, on his flight path, mapped
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: out the Mona Lisa.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: That's wonderful. Now, that is art.
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: How good is that?
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know whether you like to look on the
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: flight radar and see planes going by.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: My mum does, though.
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: I do it with boats when they go past my
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: place and stuff.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: My mum's a big fan of Flight Tracker.
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: But how good is that? I love that.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: That is incredible. A lot of people are doing this.
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: I think we should have a bit more of that
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: in the world, to be perfectly honest. OK. Thank you
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: so much for joining us tonight. Up next, the Rita
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: Panahy Show. Good night.