Latest / For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast / #301 - For Azeroth!: “Pruned Perks”
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- 0:00Because I'm also an old person who played the game when it was
- 0:04better and we had to walk uphill to the raid and from the raid.
- 0:06I get it, Manny, I get it. We want these kids off our
- 0:09lawns. Victory for the Forsaken, for
- 0:13Lauderon, for the Karen Tour, for Pandaria, for Calendar to
- 0:22the Burning Region, for Gilnaeus but has not died, for the Lich
- 0:30King, for the Sindori, for the Alliance, for the Horde, for
- 0:38Azeroth. Hello and welcome to for
- 0:42Azeroth. I am one of the triumphant
- 0:46Manny, AKA the true villain Manny.
- 0:49And joining me with a very awesome Nintendo mug is Sean.
- 0:56Sean, how was the World of Warcraft being treating you and
- 0:59where in the world did you get that mug from?
- 1:01Well, let's do this in order, I guess we'll do it in order of
- 1:04importance. I had the mug at the Barry Game
- 1:09Exchange in Barry, Ontario. They're they have a Barry Game
- 1:13Exchange twice a year usually and it's like a giant convention
- 1:17where people come and sell retro video games and it's amazing.
- 1:20My friends run it. They've been running it for many
- 1:23years now, and I had gone up to visit once while doing the
- 1:29Cartridge Club podcast that we did, and I bought this mug
- 1:33there. And did you see that Nintendo
- 1:36was announced? When the successor of the Switch
- 1:39comes out, it will be fully backwards compatible.
- 1:42Oh, I had not heard that. Like, it's such a strange world
- 1:46because we used to expect backwards compatibility as soon
- 1:49as PlayStation Two did it, and then they stopped.
- 1:53And now I feel like even my computer's having issues with
- 1:56backwards compatibility just because I don't have a disk
- 1:58drive in there anymore. I don't want to play like Mass
- 2:01Effect. And I'm like, oh, I don't want
- 2:03to install a disk. Transitory thing in the past
- 2:06thing in the past, but World of Warcraft has been treating me
- 2:08well. I've been really, really
- 2:10enjoying my time in Azeroth. I for me the War within season 1
- 2:14has been a non-stop throw ride from start to finish so far.
- 2:18I helped the Guild in EU that I play with get AOTC last week.
- 2:23I've been playing resto druid slash guardian druid over there
- 2:26and I am just about finished gearing up my death knight to
- 2:31help out our raid team for overnights re clears so that our
- 2:36current frost death knight who is playing blood just for that
- 2:38fight has the option to go back to his preferred spec and I've
- 2:41been having a great time. OK, so Overnex is still a thorn
- 2:46in the side of many guilds. Oh 100% yeah.
- 2:49Yeah. So we're on Silk and Court now.
- 2:51We've advanced to Silk and Court, which is a wild
- 2:56preparation. It was like 20 slides just for
- 2:59P1, but our raid lead is above and beyond, so very helpful for
- 3:05the team. We're getting good prog on that.
- 3:07Probably not a kill this week, maybe next week, but Overnax is
- 3:11still the major wall at five of eight.
- 3:15They're at the for being the fifth boss in the raid.
- 3:19We're running out of time to see nerfs to that boss.
- 3:24The only solution is to like completely gut the fight.
- 3:30It's just really, really tough for a lot of teams.
- 3:33Requires a super high level of coordination and planning and
- 3:39like it is mandatory. It's not even a question of oh
- 3:42it's just harder. It is mandatory to use external
- 3:46WE gora packs and add-ons to to direct the flow of the fight.
- 3:51Otherwise it's not doable within Blizzard's base UI.
- 3:54They I really wish they would stop designing fights like that.
- 3:58So many of the all the other fights around the raid are
- 4:02better. None of the other fights really
- 4:04feel like they have that same hurdle as Overnaxes.
- 4:07They're tough, but they're they're fair and you can, you
- 4:10can do them within, within Blizzard's UI, base UI, if you
- 4:15had to. Overnax is not that.
- 4:17And it's, it's extremely punishing on so many guilds.
- 4:21It yeah, it's, it's a rough fight.
- 4:23It's something needs to be done, but I don't know what.
- 4:27OK, on the Mythic Plus side, you said that you've been enjoying
- 4:33everything. Lot of people have been having
- 4:36issues with Mythic Plus. Just again, people are just
- 4:41saying that like this season is just a heartbreaker for a lot of
- 4:46the Mythic Plus community. We've talked about it on this
- 4:48show. Are you still loving Mythic
- 4:52Plus? Do you still hear those sort of
- 4:55complaints from friends of yours?
- 4:58I am still very much enjoying Mythic Plus.
- 5:00Yeah, we haven't timed to 12 yet.
- 5:04We're close. We only push for twelves 2
- 5:07evenings a week for three hours a night and every night up until
- 5:12this week has been we had elevens.
- 5:14We had to get a 12 to time it this week.
- 5:17We do have twelves to start the week, which is nice.
- 5:21So we're going to hopefully time on this week.
- 5:23We've we've learned a lot. We've made a lot of adjustments
- 5:27and it's a group of people who haven't pushed keys beyond
- 5:29whatever the cap is for fault stuff.
- 5:32We're still having a blast. I am still hearing that people
- 5:36are struggling and I I fear that it's lack of reparation.
- 5:51Maybe my death knight that I started.
- 5:55I started my death knight. Gearing is so easy for all.
- 5:58So I started my death knight. I got my 4.
- 6:01You can get 4 crafted pieces at 419 from the reps You can get
- 6:06another 419 crafted piece from killing answer echo on story
- 6:09mode. And then I just farmed fours.
- 6:11I ran plus fours until I was fully geared at 619.
- 6:17I obviously we were timing them every time you run one fours are
- 6:20extremely easy to time. Every time you run one you you
- 6:22get an upgrade to your gear if it's your alt.
- 6:25And then immediately once I was at 619, I went to 10s and
- 6:30started running 10s. But I know the dungeons I have
- 6:34taken the time to watch fights to I played them on the beta.
- 6:38Obviously I'm playing them myself.
- 6:40But prior to that I took the time to look up the fights, look
- 6:43up the mechanics, check guides, check videos.
- 6:46Rhetorio is a great series of snapshots where they're giving
- 6:49tricks for dungeons. And a lot of the people that are
- 6:54making the complaints that it's too hard and be like BOD is
- 7:00another example. Oh, it's too hard.
- 7:03And I've asked them like, well, what have you done to prepare?
- 7:06Oh, nothing. I did nothing.
- 7:08I didn't look at anything from BOD.
- 7:09I just want to go in and walk through it.
- 7:11I understand that that's what you want, but we're in a game
- 7:14where you always have to do a little bit of homework or expect
- 7:18to prog it. And I think people are getting
- 7:21in dungeons expecting them to be as easy as they were in Season 4
- 7:25because that's their most recent memory of dungeons.
- 7:28They're not that easy. They've taken the time to learn
- 7:30what mobs in here are dangerous. What spells do I have to stop?
- 7:35They're just going in and expecting it to fall over
- 7:38because they oak gear it. But in this season, you don't
- 7:41oak gear it like you used to. So they're hitting this wall of,
- 7:45you know, skill meets preparation.
- 7:47And for a lot of people, that's frustrating.
- 7:51Well, I got to ask you then. Earlier we were doing a testing
- 7:59we were going through and trying those dungeons.
- 8:03We talked about like how stops versus actual interrupts and
- 8:07various, various things, the affixes, especially with the
- 8:13lower keys having the bargains. Do you find that those trip
- 8:19people up more or do you find that it's like the dungeons
- 8:22themselves that are causing the issue?
- 8:24Like where do you think people who used to be able to walk in
- 8:28and not really do that research, which in my mind is typically
- 8:33closer, closer to entry level, mid key level, where they expect
- 8:39that they'll be able to just simply overpower the dungeon.
- 8:42Versus people who are pushing beyond the reward threshold
- 8:46where they know that they need to know all these tricks in
- 8:49order to really push. So the people who aren't
- 8:51pushing, the people who felt that they in seasons past, they
- 8:55were simply able to overwhelm the dungeon, what's causing them
- 8:58the issues? It's, I believe it's the
- 9:01dungeons themselves. The it's been my experience
- 9:05almost since day one that the Zalitath bargains can almost be
- 9:09completely ignored. They're so easily handled.
- 9:13The the orbs, almost almost a single person in every group can
- 9:18handle those orbs every time they spawn.
- 9:20So there's never any. Like I can't remember the last
- 9:22time an orb got off, the one where you soak the balls that
- 9:26come in. Again, people are just naturally
- 9:29doing it. There's no, I'm not experiencing
- 9:31people not doing the affixes. The the only one that I see
- 9:36sometimes that I do pug a lot of keys sometimes group struggle
- 9:39with is the one where you have to heal off or dispel.
- 9:42I think it's devour because people are expecting the healer
- 9:46is going to take care of it and not all the healers are able to
- 9:50as easy as some. And so that's the only one that
- 9:53I see like that can sometimes cause issue or a boss will heal.
- 9:57We saw a miss Weaver or miss caller and and misses Turner
- 10:00scythe go from her, you know, sub 4% for a kill back up to I
- 10:04think it was 12% one pole. It was like, Oh, that's that
- 10:08sucks. But I think it's a dungeon
- 10:12themselves. And it's because, like we said,
- 10:16like AOE stops are good. If you're coordinating, Hey,
- 10:20you're going to AOE stop. Now you're going to AOE stop.
- 10:22Now you're going to knock up to to to delay casts or catch
- 10:26groups of casts. But if you're in a pug
- 10:28situation, you're not able to really do that.
- 10:31A lot of people aren't super comfortable with their tool kit
- 10:34to do that anyway. They're just trying to get
- 10:38through their rotation. And, and the other side is they
- 10:41don't know what casts are dangerous.
- 10:43You know, I'm still, I will still go into stone vault and
- 10:47the first Boston Stone Vault has a as a mechanic for the tank.
- 10:51He puts a dot on the tank that when it gets dispelled, gives
- 10:53the tank, I think it's 25% Dr. for six seconds, and I'm still
- 10:58going in and having healers dispel that immediately as soon
- 11:03as it goes on me. And that is designed to be your
- 11:07savior from the tank Buster. That happens 20 seconds later.
- 11:11So you're supposed to leave that dot on the tank and then you see
- 11:15the arrows come out because when the arrows come out to shoot the
- 11:17beams, the tank Buster happens right after those beams are
- 11:20shot. So when the arrows come out by
- 11:22the third arrow, you can dispel the tank and have it safely
- 11:25still be on, but they're instant dispelling it.
- 11:28And then their tanks are getting one shot and people are saying,
- 11:31oh, stone vault is too hard. The first boss of Stoneville,
- 11:34and we heard this at the start of the season.
- 11:36I'm still hearing it now. Oh, the first boss of stone
- 11:38vault is too hard. It destroys tanks.
- 11:40Tanks are getting wrecked. And it's it's it's just open the
- 11:43budget journal and read it, you know, and just OK, this mechanic
- 11:48does this. Oh, and this mechanic is does
- 11:50this, but people they don't we don't open.
- 11:54I say we folks won't open the dungeon journal and they won't
- 11:57go and watch a guide to see what to do.
- 11:59And so tanks are getting wrecked, those healers are
- 12:00getting frustrated. Dang, it's too hard.
- 12:02And then they're not learning the rest of the dungeon beyond
- 12:04that point. But now they're not knowing.
- 12:07On scramarack, I can pick up the 1st 5 orbs as a healer for an
- 12:10extra 225% healing done because they do no benefit to the DPS
- 12:15until the shield is up. So that's just extra healing I'm
- 12:18throwing away. But they're not learning this.
- 12:20So they're saying the dungeons are too hard because they're not
- 12:23learning it. And it's like right in that 4 +
- 12:284 to plus 8 range is when that's happening.
- 12:31And then obviously a + 8 is when you get Gilded Crest.
- 12:33So people aren't really able to get it.
- 12:35They're struggling, so their gear is going up slower because
- 12:38they're not getting those crests.
- 12:40Yeah, and I mean, I called it the squish did this because
- 12:46there's no natural, it's not a gradual progression.
- 12:50It's not, oh, this is a little bit harder.
- 12:52It's bigger jumps every level. And it's, I mean, I can sit here
- 12:58and say do homework or watch a video, read a guide.
- 13:01But ultimately it is a video game that people want to be able
- 13:04to log in and pick up and play like they do with Fortnite.
- 13:09And unfortunately, the way Wow is built right now, you can't do
- 13:13that if you want to enjoy Mythic Plus above a certain level.
- 13:18Yeah. I mean that level just came in
- 13:21close faster because of the squish, just like you're saying
- 13:23that it that incremental increase is not as incremental
- 13:27as it used to be. And we have actually seen the
- 13:30meta for those higher keys continuing to shift.
- 13:34You had said about a month ago, hey, let's leave it for a month,
- 13:38see where it's settled. I think we actually have to
- 13:41leave it for a little bit longer, especially with all the
- 13:44changes that came in with 11.0 point 5.
- 13:48We've seen a lot of things where it was the the season of the
- 13:54sword and board, the the warrior.
- 13:57They are now sharing that sword and board with the other sword
- 14:00and board. Paladin tanks are now becoming
- 14:03big in there. Shamans, who are still
- 14:08incredibly overrepresented, are actually starting to give some
- 14:12way now to discipline priests, and I think that's specifically
- 14:17because of the nerf to poison cleansing totem.
- 14:23And that means that it's pretty much in line with Mass to spell
- 14:27now. So hey, that, that kind of
- 14:29parody has given discipline priests a bit of time.
- 14:32Discipline priests being a little bit of predicting,
- 14:36predicting damage means that they kind of fit in that same
- 14:40niche of here's a little extra help to make you survive it.
- 14:42This one treats me like, Hey, I see that damage is coming.
- 14:45I know those damage patterns. I'll help you survive it in that
- 14:48way. And I, I love this.
- 14:49I love that it's shifting. We will cover this in more in a
- 14:54future episode because I did, we did say a month we would let
- 14:58pass. And I think it's still going.
- 14:59But it is very interesting what's happening with with the
- 15:03meta right now in Mythic Plus and anything that you want to
- 15:06say quickly in passing or shall we dive into the episode proper?
- 15:10We could dive into the, I mean it, that'll happen when you make
- 15:12a tank do more damage than DPS. But yeah, that'll that'll cause
- 15:15the meta to shift. But yeah, we can jump right into
- 15:18the episode. We could talk about that down
- 15:20the road. OK, so our first official story,
- 15:25because I feel like we've been talking a lot of nitty gritty
- 15:28wow here, but our first official story is a sort of announcement.
- 15:34This is Warcraft 2 Remastered, which just yesterday, at the
- 15:40time of recording, we had a a data miner, sorry, a data miner
- 15:47who found art assets that pointed to Warcraft 3
- 15:53Remastered, not reforged. I think they're kind of done
- 15:56with the stigma of that name, but Warcraft 2 Remastered being
- 16:02found and then Blizzard put out the internal alpha on the
- 16:08central distribution network. So now it's all but confirmed
- 16:13that we are getting this this redone version of a classic.
- 16:19Did you play Warcraft 2 back in the day?
- 16:21Oh yeah, it was my first. It was my gateway drug to the
- 16:24Warcraft universe. Yeah, yeah, me.
- 16:28Me too. I I played too.
- 16:30And before the what was it? Dark Tides?
- 16:35Tides of Darkness. I think it was Tides of
- 16:36Darkness, yeah. There you go.
- 16:37Before that came out I went and tried Warcraft 1.
- 16:40Did not like in the graphic said being like did not age well.
- 16:46And then of course, Warcraft 3 and I was I was off to the races
- 16:49for me. If you want to play Warcraft
- 16:53two, I'm not sure how much these graphics will hold up, but they
- 16:57are the game is available on good old games.
- 17:00I think you can get the the Battle.net chest with like all
- 17:04of those those classics for super cheap.
- 17:05But we are getting this HD redone 1.
- 17:12So you can, you can play that pretty quickly and enjoy that as
- 17:15well. I'm looking forward to this.
- 17:19I I'm hoping that they handle it better than they did Reforged.
- 17:24Yeah, my only ask is that they update the game engine.
- 17:28The StarCraft 2 game engine is so nice.
- 17:31The controls used in that are so nice.
- 17:33I don't know why that was thrown aside when they did Warcraft
- 17:36reforge. It should have been used because
- 17:39it's good. I think it's just because they
- 17:43they handed it out to a third party to work on.
- 17:46Yeah, so hopefully they do that. And then special bonus stretch
- 17:53wish is my is that it's free that they come out and say, hey,
- 17:57thanks for being, you know, loyal fans of Blizzard, here is
- 18:00this free game for everyone. And then, yeah, that's not going
- 18:06to happen. OK.
- 18:09But even if that doesn't happen, I do not want to be playing like
- 18:12a full game Cost for this. Make it 15 bucks or something
- 18:18like that and I'll be happy. Don't charge me 40-50 bucks.
- 18:21If it's 50 bucks, then they're not selling any of this.
- 18:24If it's 15, I can, I can see a couple of people be like, yeah,
- 18:27I'll pick that up. Yeah, I would pay 1/6 of a
- 18:30Brutus or for it. That's true.
- 18:34The money has been sort of devalued these days.
- 18:37Everything is everything is converted to Brutus or cause
- 18:39now. OK, all right.
- 18:42But you know what? Money isn't devalued to us.
- 18:46And this week we have a very special patron.
- 18:50Sean, can you handle this? Yeah, amid the tranquil peaks of
- 18:54Kunlai Summit, Michael, a wandering Pandaran monk, moved
- 18:58like water through the mist, his form a seamless blend of
- 19:01serenity and power. Neither bound to alliance nor
- 19:05hoard, he watched as strangers clashed on his homeland sacred
- 19:08soil, their battles ripping through the peace he'd known.
- 19:13With each sunrise, Michael stood as a silent guardian, a reminder
- 19:18to all who passed. The true strength lay not in
- 19:20conflict, but in harmony with the world and oneself.
- 19:25Michael, thank you so much for joining us as a patron for
- 19:28Azeroth. For Azeroth will always be free,
- 19:31but if you enjoy the content we produce and you would like to
- 19:34have your own story read, please consider pledging to our Patreon
- 19:37at patreon.com/faz. And if you're going to jump into
- 19:43the Discord first at Bit dot LY slash fast Discord and let me
- 19:47know what you play. I have to make so many of these
- 19:49up. Definitely, if you let us know,
- 19:55we will customize it following your class slash race or
- 20:00whatever you'd like to do. Yeah.
- 20:03Moving forward, another big reveal that happened just after
- 20:09we were releasing our big 300th episode was 11.0 point 7 getting
- 20:17spoiled. They put out a video and then
- 20:20that Thursday we get the PTR and I've been on the PTR, I've been
- 20:30going through the new content and guys, I think this is this
- 20:36is very reminiscent of the forbidden Reach is what I'm
- 20:40going to point to. It is much smaller than the
- 20:45forbidden reach. This is actually the same size
- 20:48as Mechagon. If you remember that island
- 20:53roughly, it's actually a little bit smaller, but I'm going to
- 20:55say roughly same size as Mechagon.
- 20:58It's got a lot of verticality where you are going up some
- 21:04narrow trails. You are using rocket boots to
- 21:08jump across some chasms. And why are you using rocket
- 21:11boots? Well, that's because there is no
- 21:14flying enabled on the island, at least at first, because there
- 21:21has been some additional data mining that says maybe after a
- 21:25couple of hoops that we need to jump through, we will be able to
- 21:30fly. Now for those of you wondering
- 21:33like, well, I've already jumped through hoops like I did that
- 21:36Pathfinder so I could fly. What's going on here?
- 21:40There's some storm activity around the island, you know, the
- 21:44usual Mac guffin and means that we can't use our flying at
- 21:49first. I do believe that this is
- 21:53actually a necessary thing, like the fact that the island itself
- 22:02and I I need to make this comparison.
- 22:04Mechagon fits inside Dornagal, the city.
- 22:10If you could fly from one end to the next using our current 800
- 22:16something because no longer 908 something 800 something speed,
- 22:20you would blink and start getting fatigue.
- 22:24Like this island is jam packed with little things that you're
- 22:29supposed to notice and secrets and little events and all these
- 22:35sort of things. So you want to actually stay low
- 22:37to the ground. You want to not fly past it all
- 22:39as a blur and miss, miss what's going on.
- 22:42It is an island that's fazed in into different parts so I think
- 22:48that flying would just break it and I'm actually confused that
- 22:52they are allowing flying later on.
- 22:55I guess. Have you had a chance to go on
- 23:00to the the PTR? You been like diving into live
- 23:04so much that you just haven't had a chance to go over.
- 23:06That's right. Yeah.
- 23:07I I really only PTR if there's raid testing or dungeons to
- 23:11test. There's neither of those in this
- 23:13case, so I will wait for it to be launched and follow whatever
- 23:17guide is written by the big brains at whatever website I
- 23:21happen to land on that day. Or maybe I'll just ask Manny
- 23:25what to do. Well, I mean, there is reason to
- 23:30go to this island even if you're not doing your dungeons.
- 23:33There is a new ring, and this ring is again, I'm looking at
- 23:39the Forbidden Reach. If you remember, the Forbidden
- 23:42Reach had those Onyx amulets which had the the base item plus
- 23:503 sockets that you could put in these unique gems.
- 23:53But these gems weren't stats, they would have different
- 23:56different effects. This ring is Searcy's circle,
- 24:01sorry Searcy's circlet, and it works much the same.
- 24:06There are three categories of gems.
- 24:09Those 3 categories 1 is defensive, 1 is like boosting up
- 24:13your stats so it doesn't completely rob you of stats, and
- 24:17one is an active ability. This is obviously an improvement
- 24:22over the amulet because if you recall back in in Dragonflight,
- 24:27it started too weak, nobody wanted it, they boosted the crap
- 24:31out of it, and then it was way too strong and they had to nerf
- 24:34it once the new tier began. The fact that this has stats
- 24:37means that it's way more likely to fit into roughly where they
- 24:43are aiming aiming for this, and it is something that will go in
- 24:48to the next tier, though they haven't said how far what.
- 24:53What do you think about this ring?
- 24:57Well Manny the piece of equipment I'll farm because I'm
- 25:02required to, and then I will SIM whatever combination of gems is
- 25:06best for my character and then I will wear it.
- 25:11Would you want it to SIM that you would never have to wear it?
- 25:15Or would you want it to SIM so that you know it's best in slot
- 25:18for a long time? What would be your preference?
- 25:21I would prefer if this ring was of no value to anybody who was
- 25:28wearing Max dope mythic track rings that are currently
- 25:33available, because then I don't have to farm it and I don't have
- 25:37to wear it. But that's a bit of a selfish
- 25:42answer, because there are going to be mythic teams that need the
- 25:45power boost from this ring to help them overcome bosses
- 25:48they're unable to overcome, though it's not fair of me to
- 25:51try to rob them of this nudge. I mean it would become a chore,
- 25:59but like it would be if you were to go along those lines, would
- 26:03it? Would it not be better to say
- 26:06instead of this ring I wish that they would buff BlackRock so
- 26:12that that gear could allow people to then push through on
- 26:17mythic difficult difficulty with like power boost that would come
- 26:22from come from that raid and that might be easier.
- 26:25No, I actually, I, I feel like BlackRock is probably in a good
- 26:31spot where it's at. Heroic could maybe be tuned down
- 26:33a little, but I feel like BlackRock is in a good spot.
- 26:36It's nice that it's teams don't have to, to say, hey, we have to
- 26:39farm heroic BlackRock and heroic and herbal Palace.
- 26:44I, I, I'm trying to like to be cognizant.
- 26:46I saw a really good post that talked about this on Twitter.
- 26:51They're trying to be cognizant. Like there are teams, AOTC teams
- 26:54that are like pushing to get AOTC and this ring will help
- 26:57them get there. And I'm glad it exists for that
- 26:59reason. And there are.
- 27:02Under that rationale, there must also be CE teams that typically
- 27:06get Cutting Edge Raid at the end of the season, for whom this
- 27:10ring will act as an extra hour bump along with the nerve bar
- 27:14finery buff to help get them over the hump.
- 27:18So for that reason, I'm glad it exists.
- 27:19And in all honesty, the Onyx amulet, other than losing a
- 27:22bunch of haste, it was two days spent in that tower opening
- 27:27doors, and then I never went back to Forbidden Reach and my
- 27:30ring was maxed out. As long as this is a similar
- 27:34level of requirement from my part, then it's just another
- 27:38piece to go get. So, yeah, I don't know.
- 27:42I don't want to have to. It's got stats, so maybe it
- 27:44won't be so bad. That was my biggest issue with
- 27:46the honest. And, you know, it was like, I'd
- 27:47lost a ton of haste and I was playing, what was I playing that
- 27:52season? Rob Paladin.
- 27:54Rob Paladin is like haste. Anyway, yeah, I am glad that
- 28:00they're adding ways for it to help teams over that hump that
- 28:04need it in less obtrusive ways. It's not just a raid nerf, you
- 28:09know what I mean? It's it's like, hey, here's this
- 28:11ring you can get if you want it to help you get over this hump
- 28:14because there are teams that still do.
- 28:15We, it's funny, we talk about the season and some people are
- 28:19like, oh, this like you watch now, you go on YouTube, there's
- 28:21a dozen videos talking about how the season's over all the
- 28:23seasons over now, the seasons over now, but we're only at the
- 28:26midpoint of the season, you know, and there are lots of
- 28:28teams that don't get their AOTC or their CE.
- 28:31And there's probably normal teams as well that don't get
- 28:33them until the last week, right? And they need whatever help,
- 28:40whatever bump they can get from it to get that.
- 28:43And this is helping those teams out.
- 28:44So yeah, I say we should just be happy.
- 28:47Yeah, I agree. New gear sources are great going
- 28:50with what you said in organic way, rather than having that new
- 28:55Neruba refinery, which feels like kind of like a crudgel,
- 28:58which ever since they had the nerf that was in ICC where it's
- 29:05like, yeah, we're just going to overtime give a more and more
- 29:11offensive buff to you or other ones where it would nerf the the
- 29:16raid themselves. It it felt kind of like, oh, I,
- 29:20I couldn't quite do it before we needed that nerve.
- 29:23And so it doesn't feel quite as bad when you get the additional
- 29:29items and gear that help you push a bit further.
- 29:33So I like that as well for the people who like lore this the
- 29:39first little bit of the playthrough has a lot of lore
- 29:42that is pointing towards some things coming later down.
- 29:46I'm not sure if it is strictly for 11.1 or if it is stuff
- 29:52further into the War within Saga, but I love that there is
- 29:57that lore, that intrigue. I'm not going to talk about any
- 29:59of it right now because you know, spoilers, but I I am
- 30:05liking the Siren Isle thus far, but there's even more coming
- 30:10along with that because we are going getting more lore that
- 30:15covers the fate of the Kirantor and I love this little teaser.
- 30:20It's actually just become active on the PTR.
- 30:23I haven't tested it myself, but it is of course, you know, the
- 30:27fate of the the Kiran tour, them dealing with some of the
- 30:30mistakes that they've made in the past.
- 30:32I like that. And then trying to figure out
- 30:35what their future is and where that future lies.
- 30:39So super excited to dive in and test through this.
- 30:46Laura, Laura interests you a little bit on this.
- 30:49I I know this has been the 1st, the first expansion where you've
- 30:53really taken your time with the questing.
- 30:57Are you now more into the Lord? Is this something that interests
- 30:59you? Yeah, I'm excited.
- 31:00I'm looking forward to the story and it's coming out at a time
- 31:03when I'm not going to be like super pressed for time.
- 31:07I'm actually trying a new thought experiment.
- 31:10I don't normally like requesting, but because I've
- 31:13started playing on EU again this season, I have to go through all
- 31:16of the zones again. And I had already done the main
- 31:18campaign when leveling up my character.
- 31:20And now I, I decided last week I'm going to actually go back
- 31:24through the side quests of every zone on EU because I'm a person
- 31:30who will rewatch movies I've seen High Fidelity probably 30
- 31:34times. I have, you know, I used to
- 31:36watch Avatar every single night at bedtime when I was sailing
- 31:40and watch like fall asleep watching Avatar.
- 31:44So and I, I enjoy re watches of movies and I enjoyed the story.
- 31:48I'm curious if I will enjoy it as much as second time.
- 31:53That's exciting. But yeah, I'm, I'm looking
- 31:55forward to finding out what happened to Dalaran and the
- 31:58Kiran tours or not. What happened to the Kiran tour
- 32:00after Dalaran? I think that'll be good because
- 32:02the Kiran tours was such a staple of Warcraft forever.
- 32:05So and they're kind of good at dealing with with disaster.
- 32:10So let's see if that that carried on.
- 32:14For sure. There is also of course the
- 32:18turbulent time ways that are going to be returning.
- 32:21So if you like doing the time walking dungeons, we're going to
- 32:28once again get 5 weeks straight of time walking dungeons.
- 32:32Every time you do 4 dungeons in a week, you will get a buff.
- 32:39Actually I think it's 5 dungeons that you need to complete the
- 32:42buff and it'll give you a buff that'll get you mastery if you
- 32:47get that buff. 4 out of the five weeks.
- 32:49You don't have to do all 5. Four out of the five weeks you
- 32:53get the achievement, which this time is rewarding the timely
- 32:58Busby mount so looks good should be it should be fun.
- 33:05I think it's a really great way in combination with the buff
- 33:12that we're getting for the anniversary.
- 33:14If you want to level up an alt, this is a quick way to push
- 33:18through, so I suggest that you keep your eyes open for when
- 33:22that starts when 11 point O .7 comes around.
- 33:26I've got to ask you though, because let me let me set the
- 33:31table here because we have one last point with 11 point O .7.
- 33:35They were going to do a bit of changes with professions, which
- 33:42also included a profession respec feature.
- 33:47Unfortunately, it's still being worked on and will not be ready
- 33:49in time for the release of 11 point O .7.
- 33:53They said that they'll have more information about that feature
- 33:57in a future content update and due to the respec being delayed,
- 34:04a lot of the changes that they were doing with professions that
- 34:07dealt with multi craft and resourcefulness are going to be
- 34:11reverted and left alone for now. So they're cutting features
- 34:18because they need to get this out in time.
- 34:20Which definitely sounds like it's coming sooner on the PTR.
- 34:24If you are doing some of these dailies and stuff on the Siren
- 34:30Isles, you are also getting bronze for the anniversary
- 34:36event. That anniversary event ends
- 34:39January 6th. When do you think 11 point O .7
- 34:45is is going to hit? Probably first week of December
- 34:51would be my guess. I haven't looked at a calendar,
- 34:55but whatever that first Tuesday is in December will be my guess.
- 34:58That would be the third. Yeah.
- 35:01Is that 8 weeks? When, when did I?
- 35:03I basically want to say 8 weeks from 11 point O .5.
- 35:08Yeah, I, I think, I think it's a pretty good guess.
- 35:11I would not want them to release this much later into the month
- 35:15just before they take their Christmas break, just because I
- 35:20think that would be a lot to to like put out and then hope that
- 35:26it's stable. And because 11 point O .5 has
- 35:29sort of shaken my confidence a little bit.
- 35:31You know, get it out a little bit earlier.
- 35:33Give yourself some time to fix the rough edges.
- 35:36Yeah, I want to say though, there's two scenarios that I
- 35:40prefer. Scenario one, my main
- 35:43preference, delay these patches until everything you're planning
- 35:47to release in the patch works. But option 2 that I will take
- 35:52but things from the patch so that you can release it
- 35:56functional with the things that it launches with.
- 36:00If they're not able to get this profession respec feature
- 36:05implemented and launch it with everything else, Siren Isle and
- 36:09all of the stuff that's coming with it, cutting it is the
- 36:12right. If the if like if the patch
- 36:14kinks is locked in, then yeah, cut stuff from these patches and
- 36:18shift them down the line. That's the only way.
- 36:22Please. I I really wish there was like
- 36:25some sort of Labor law that restricted how many hours you
- 36:28could require people to work so that they would be able to
- 36:32physically say this can't be done in this meant that crunch
- 36:35should be illegal. But this can't be done in this
- 36:38meant in this in this work time. I'm a really big fan of
- 36:41determining your resources before determining the scope of
- 36:44your project. Yeah, so they're cutting,
- 36:50cutting this. I want a respect option in
- 36:53professions because if you make a mistake, you're basically
- 36:56poached. So yeah, but I think cutting is
- 36:59the right call. I'm of two minds.
- 37:03I'm hoping that this respect thing, however it comes out,
- 37:07kind of works. Like remember back in the day,
- 37:12Wrath of the Lich King, you wanted to change your spec?
- 37:15You have to like, pay gold. Progressively more expensive
- 37:18every time. Exactly, that's how I want it so
- 37:22that people aren't being like, oh, Tuesday I'm going to like
- 37:25make all my my crafting materials and then I'm going to
- 37:28re spec and then use all that crafting materials with like my
- 37:31now maxed out weapon and stuff. And then I'm going to re spec
- 37:35back and I'm like, no, no, that's got to that's got to be
- 37:37prohibitively expensive. And I think because if they
- 37:42limit the amount of times that you can do it, there's always
- 37:45immediately going to be the complaint of, oh, I didn't mean
- 37:48to do that, Blizzard, please. Like why, Why am I locked out
- 37:52now? And now I'm stuck with the
- 37:53mistake that I just made. So.
- 37:55I would like to see. So I'm I'm with you on
- 37:58progressively more expensive because I'm also an old person
- 38:02who played the game when it was better and we had to walk uphill
- 38:05to the raid and from the raid, I get it Manny, I get it.
- 38:09We want these kids off our lawns.
- 38:11So I'm OK with it getting progressively more expensive,
- 38:14but there should be a built in reset mechanic that every 30
- 38:19days or whatever, X, every X days without a reset, it drops
- 38:24down a level. So I'm going to use numbers that
- 38:26don't, that will only make sense to boomers like Manny and I who
- 38:29played them rather than Lich King.
- 38:30But our first reset costs 100 gold and our second reset costs
- 38:341000 gold. After X days, it drops back
- 38:37that, you know, I'm at 1000. After X days, it drops back down
- 38:40to 100. I would be OK with that.
- 38:42I think that's OK. I I 100% agree and we're not
- 38:49boomers. We're like we're as young as
- 38:53Lex's dad. Why are we?
- 38:54Why are we burning ourselves? She's not even here.
- 38:57Manny, Manny, man, we're closer to Archie Bunker than we are to
- 39:01Dua Lipa or whatever their name is.
- 39:04All right, That's that's we're we're old, Sir.
- 39:09OK, I didn't do the math on that, so I don't know if that's
- 39:11actually true, but I feel like probably, I feel like it
- 39:15probably is. And there's like, no, like
- 39:18Archie Bunker was an old TV show and Dua Lipa, I'm pretty sure is
- 39:21a singer. Yeah.
- 39:21Anyway. No, no, it's not even that that
- 39:25I have to look them up to find out what their age is.
- 39:26I have to look them up to know who the hell.
- 39:28They are that would. Be great.
- 39:32Yeah. OK.
- 39:35So the last thing that is coming with 11 point O .7 is a big
- 39:41racial rework. Sean, can you tell us a little
- 39:44bit about what's going on here? Yeah, Blizzard decided that they
- 39:49weren't happy that some races are over represented because of
- 39:54the strength of their racials and the solution that they've
- 39:59come up with. And this is funny because the
- 40:02solution they've come up with is a solution anytime there's an
- 40:05outlier in DPS or healing or tanking.
- 40:10Everybody across the board in the community says don't nerf
- 40:14class X buff the rest of them, you know, and there's a few
- 40:20level ahead of people are like, doesn't really make sense.
- 40:22You have one outlier and you can just bring that one down.
- 40:26I don't know why you think trying to boost 12 classes is
- 40:29better than limiting one. However, this has opted to say,
- 40:33yeah, you know what? You're right, community, instead
- 40:36of nerfing the racials everybody loves, don't form fire, blood
- 40:40shadow melt, we're going to buff all of the other racials so that
- 40:45you choose these more often. And what that means is every,
- 40:50almost every race across the board has been given a buff to
- 40:53one of their racial abilities. And I don't, I don't think this
- 41:02is even going to move the needle, to be honest, because
- 41:05none of these compare with the strength of stone form, fire,
- 41:09blood or shadow melt in their own.
- 41:13And this is also, I think people want less power tied to their
- 41:19racial to racial choice. They want to look how they want
- 41:22to look. They're not picking dwarves
- 41:24because they want to be. They want stone form.
- 41:27Sorry, they're not picking. Yeah, they're picking doors
- 41:28because they want stone form, not because they want to look
- 41:30like dwarfs. If I want to be a void elf in a
- 41:33bikini, let me be a void elf in a bikini.
- 41:35If I want to be a a drain eye in the chunkiest plate armor I can
- 41:39find, let me be a drain eye and the checks whatever I find and
- 41:41take that power choice away from it anyway.
- 41:46It amuses me. I'm literally doing what the
- 41:49community is going to do when they listen.
- 41:51Like Blizzard did what we asked. We all asked for this.
- 41:54We did this to ourselves, people.
- 41:55We cut off our noses to spite our faces.
- 41:58We all said just buff. Everyone else buff, Durfing,
- 42:01just buff. And so they were like, OK, cool,
- 42:04yeah, we'll buff. I'm OK.
- 42:08I think that they have done a fairly decent job at the
- 42:13straight throughput ratios of reining them in.
- 42:17Like berserking is nowhere near the monster it used to be.
- 42:22Berserking was like one of the reasons that horde, it became so
- 42:25overrepresented in rating. But the ones that you're
- 42:30pointing to, they're not straight throughput adjustments.
- 42:35They are so strong because of the power of their utility, and
- 42:40I think that's the stuff that they maybe need to nerf.
- 42:47Yikes, I'm right back to where Blizzard was was I I take I take
- 42:54back that Yikes. I am the guy who's who says
- 42:56like, come on, if you got one outlier, why are you adjusting
- 43:00the knob on 16 other dials to get the get them there.
- 43:04Just turn that one down. I think that the scariest thing
- 43:10that I could do is a chance fail.
- 43:16If you added a chance, fail that stone blood doesn't remove.
- 43:21And like a a debuff, if you add a chance, fail that shadow meld
- 43:30doesn't drop you from combat. People would start running them.
- 43:35People yeah I think people like I think that the unreliability
- 43:40would immediately remove them as as desirable for the people who
- 43:44are doing it for the exact reason of I can guarantee that I
- 43:47can do this this pole drag everything over here everybody
- 43:52else goes the other way and then when I know they're past I'll
- 43:56I'll drop aggro or I'm up against this boss and I can just
- 44:01ignore this mechanic because stone form or iron or sorry fire
- 44:05blood and I think if you do that it is very D&D ish that.
- 44:10Would feel terrible. That would feel absolutely
- 44:12terrible. Well, what else would?
- 44:15You do. If if for an ability to not,
- 44:18there is nothing worse than RNG in your abilities for it not to
- 44:21be consistent to do what you expect it to do.
- 44:26I don't, I actually, I don't think that that'll never happen.
- 44:29So I'm not even going to be upset about it.
- 44:31But yeah, that would be the worst case scenario.
- 44:33That's that would be a terrible solution to this problem.
- 44:36I think that you're thinking about it as a flat RNG chance.
- 44:40Which is it's like jumper cables that can sometimes backfire.
- 44:43Yeah, but like that's a flat RNG chance.
- 44:46I would, I would simply do it as the more that the ability is
- 44:51used within an X period of time, the greater the failure, the
- 44:55failure chance. So the first 2-3 times you use
- 44:57it, guaranteed it's going to go off.
- 45:00The next three times you use it, hey, greater chance, you start
- 45:04going to that. Well, too often, more chance to
- 45:06fail, which still means that it means that most of the time it's
- 45:10reliable. You sparingly you're it's going
- 45:13to be reliable, but you use that five times.
- 45:16You're not limiting any other racial ability.
- 45:18Like you're not saying, okay, Zander Larry trolls who can now
- 45:21heal themselves for 50% of their Max health over was it 3 seconds
- 45:26or whatever. That doesn't get diminished.
- 45:28You know, I mean, they can still do that.
- 45:29I, I think that's a bad, that's a bad solution.
- 45:32I think the better solution is just detach them completely from
- 45:35the races. So like a grab box of like, hey,
- 45:39you picked your class, now you've picked your race, now
- 45:41pick your racials. Yeah, well, I guess it would be
- 45:44racials then pick your perks. We'll call them perks.
- 45:46Yeah. Yeah, right.
- 45:47I could see that. Except then they definitely have
- 45:50to nerf them because then everybody's going to take the
- 45:52same ones. Yeah, but who cares?
- 45:55We're taking the same ones anyway.
- 45:56Then they should just remove them.
- 45:57Then they should just not exist. We're taking those same ones
- 46:01now, it's just we're also being forced to play dwarfs.
- 46:03Then they should just remove racials.
- 46:05What you're what you're asking for is just remove racials.
- 46:08Yeah, OK. I'm good with that too.
- 46:09Get rid of racials. I'm cool with that.
- 46:11I would play human in a heartbeat.
- 46:13I know it's boring as. Y'all really?
- 46:16I know that I know that's boring, but I would play human
- 46:18in a heartbeat. That's the only one.
- 46:20That one doesn't count. No, no it doesn't.
- 46:26Okay, so yeah, blue suit, remove racials.
- 46:29That's the end of our conversation, I think.
- 46:31I think we're both on it. Yeah, that's where we're landed
- 46:34on that. Get rid of them.
- 46:35Get rid of them. But if you want to tell us that
- 46:39racial should be around, if you want to propose the right way to
- 46:42balance racials, let us know. You can join the conversation
- 46:46over at bit dot LY slash fast Discord.
- 46:49Join the discord. We have people who are talking
- 46:52about a bunch of different things, including racials,
- 46:55including weird teleportation bugs with their portals and
- 46:59everything always in between these episodes.
- 47:03But until next time guys, may all your hits be crits.