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Spoiler Alert! After the Final Rose with Rachel Recchia and Joan Vassos · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the almost Famous podcast with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: It's vacination Joan Bassos and Rachel Rikia jumping in to
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  Speaker 2: take over for the almost Famous podcast. We just got
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  Speaker 2: back from the Golden Bauchler finalion after the Final Rose taping,
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  Speaker 2: and we're going to talk all about it. So consider
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  Speaker 2: this your spoiler alert if you haven't watched the finale yet,
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  Speaker 2: because we are about to cover it all. Okay, Rachel,
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  Speaker 2: we have so much to talk about it.
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  Speaker 3: So me and Joan drove together on the way here
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  Speaker 3: and I was like, Okay, let's just like make sure
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  Speaker 3: we're on the same page. Joan has so many good points,
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  Speaker 3: and I was so excited for everyone to hear her
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  Speaker 3: point of view because I think you have such a
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  Speaker 3: unique perspective being the only Golden Bachelorette, and in my opinion, maybe.
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  Speaker 2: Ever well, well we don't know about that. We don't know,
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  Speaker 2: but no, but I feel like we have a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the same opinions. You've been through this journey also,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't think it's all that different coming from
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  Speaker 2: the different age. So what I really want to talk about,
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  Speaker 2: like how this story out as a cliffhanger, so we
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  Speaker 2: have all now waited a week to find out what's
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  Speaker 2: going to happen with Cindy and Cindy. I feel like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: first of all, let's let's guess, did you who did
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  Speaker 2: you think was going to win?
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  Speaker 1: Well?
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  Speaker 3: I feel like the way they made it seem we
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  Speaker 3: would think that it's Cindy because she is, like you
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  Speaker 3: said so many times on the way here, she's so
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  Speaker 3: emotionally available, and I think we get Sidney's inner monologue
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  Speaker 3: of how she's truly feeling, and I think it could
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  Speaker 3: have been pegged all along, but maybe we just didn't
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  Speaker 3: know because she hasn't been so upfront with her emotions.
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  Speaker 2: But then neither has he, So maybe like like, could
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  Speaker 2: that ever work? If neither one have seen how they feel?
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  Speaker 2: Could that early ever work? So I feel like you
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  Speaker 2: that Cindy was going to be the winner, because you
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  Speaker 2: can't have two emotionally unavailable people actually coming together. It
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  Speaker 2: just seems like so unlikely that it wouldn't work. But
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  Speaker 2: I did feel like he was starting to give her
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  Speaker 2: what she needed. I think the cliffhanger ended with her
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  Speaker 2: saying this begs the question.
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  Speaker 1: Are you ready or are you will?
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  Speaker 2: Do you have the will? Then he said, if there's
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  Speaker 2: a will, a way she guts. The question is do
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  Speaker 2: you have the will? And he said yes. So I thought, okay, okay,
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  Speaker 2: we're ahead in the right direction. Now I'm feeling good
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  Speaker 2: about it. But as the conversation continued, it started going
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  Speaker 2: negatively and I'm not really sure where it went off
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  Speaker 2: so badly because I didn't feel like Mel was being
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  Speaker 2: any different than he had ever been, and maybe he
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  Speaker 2: was getting a slight bit more. Finally he was saying, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there is a will. If we want to do it,
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  Speaker 2: we can make it happen. I'm not completely there. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not in love, but he said, you know, I think
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  Speaker 2: I felt like he was encouraging, and then all of
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  Speaker 2: a sudden it flipped, and I'm like, what the heck?
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  Speaker 3: I think it's so interesting because I think it is
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  Speaker 3: such a Bachelor Nation thing to give an ultimatum before
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  Speaker 3: a fantasy toe and so many different and even going
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  Speaker 3: into mine on The Bachelor when I was a contestant,
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  Speaker 3: I remember telling him I'm falling in love with you.
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  Speaker 3: If you don't even feel like you're near that, how
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  Speaker 3: are we gonna get through this? So I want to
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  Speaker 3: be like, you know that overnight time. It does tell
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  Speaker 3: you a lot. So much happens, so I get it,
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  Speaker 3: but like getting that little bit that you need to
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  Speaker 3: go into that. I understand her, but I think, like
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  Speaker 3: you said earlier, like he is just not giving enough
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  Speaker 3: or I feel like she's done.
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  Speaker 2: Sing too much from him and it all came down
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  Speaker 2: to this moment and he hasn't given that to her
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  Speaker 2: the entire season. I think she was expecting too much
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  Speaker 2: and I think they could have gone and done fantasy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what's your opinion on that?
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  Speaker 3: Do you think she should have definitely gone even just
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  Speaker 3: really I mean the conversation is the biggest part. It
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  Speaker 3: really you find out so much much and I think
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  Speaker 3: we can't even express that to the audience, Like that
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  Speaker 3: is where you.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of start to make a decision so much.
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  Speaker 2: I figured out mine at my fantasy suites and I said,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not having a physical relationship in the fantasy suites.
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  Speaker 2: I think that it's hard on the relationship that comes
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  Speaker 2: out of phantasy suits, I mean out of you know,
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  Speaker 2: no iconic to this day, I just felt like that
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  Speaker 2: would give me a better outcome, and I feel like
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  Speaker 2: she missed that opportunity and that may have gotten mel
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  Speaker 2: to where he is now with Peggy and she or
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  Speaker 2: with Peg, and she never gave him the chance. And
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I got to wonder if she's ever
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  Speaker 2: going to look back on this and say, maybe I
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  Speaker 2: spread that up that you know, that one last day,
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  Speaker 2: that one really meaningful, those meaningful conversations could have gotten
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  Speaker 2: him to where he was with Peg, and she could
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  Speaker 2: be she could have been sitting on that stage at
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  Speaker 2: the end of tonight.
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  Speaker 3: I know. And I just feel like we heard mel
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  Speaker 3: say so many times tonight. He has such a sports mindset.
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  Speaker 2: Every over till it's over, quit the game Twitter, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: And I think.
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  Speaker 3: In his mind she was quitting. She was a quitter,
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  Speaker 3: and he wanted someone that was going to play until
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  Speaker 3: the game was over. And then as soon as Sidney,
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  Speaker 3: I feel like maybe she wanted him go after her
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  Speaker 3: a little bit as much as she says I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I think she was shocked he did it.
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  Speaker 2: I was surprised he didn't. I was surprised too, sat
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  Speaker 2: there and was like, Okay, I'm done, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: I really want to be the girl too.
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  Speaker 3: Like no, we love Sydney, Like I related to Sidney
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  Speaker 3: more than Peg for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Oh I agree I did, and I love that she
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  Speaker 2: took the power back and didn't give it to him.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not positive she did the right thing.
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  Speaker 3: I would agree, I wish you would have just I
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  Speaker 3: wanted more conversation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I really want to be like, you go, girl,
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  Speaker 2: you did it. You had the power, you as much
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  Speaker 2: power as he does. But god, I'm not sure if
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  Speaker 2: she did the right thing. And I'm really disappointed to
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  Speaker 2: myself because I want to be all about that bold move.
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  Speaker 2: I know I'm trying.
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  Speaker 1: To be all about the bold no, and I love
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  Speaker 1: the bold move.
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  Speaker 3: But I think with Bachelor, the moments that moved me
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  Speaker 3: the most are the moments were like, you're feeling so
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  Speaker 3: sorry because this person put everything out there and the
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  Speaker 3: Bachelor Bachelor rejected them and they can't do anything about it,
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  Speaker 3: and it just makes you feel for them. And I
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  Speaker 3: wish we had that moment with Sydney where if she
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  Speaker 3: wasn't chosen, that we could feel that and we'd.
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  Speaker 2: Be like cheerly cheering for her to be the next
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  Speaker 2: Golden Bachelerette. Yes, because she loved and lost and she
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  Speaker 2: really yeah, you're right, she stayed the whole course, and
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  Speaker 2: now we're like, oh and There's another part of that
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  Speaker 2: that bothers me a little bit that I feel like
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  Speaker 2: it cheated a Peg out of being picked.
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  Speaker 1: I Peg love that you said that in the car
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  Speaker 1: choice there was no choice.
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  Speaker 2: She was only the only person left I would have loved.
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  Speaker 2: And now I know like that would have been really
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  Speaker 2: heartbreaking for Cindy, right if she had stayed the course
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  Speaker 2: on Fantasy Suites and then he picked Peg instead of her.
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  Speaker 2: But I feel like as far as their relationship, I
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  Speaker 2: feel like it would have been really good for Peg.
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  Speaker 2: I would have made their relationship stronger.
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  Speaker 1: What did you.
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  Speaker 3: Think when they went into the conversation The next morning
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  Speaker 3: he came to her room.
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  Speaker 1: I was sitting there and I'm like, can you spit
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  Speaker 1: it out? It was is on like she thought she
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  Speaker 1: was getting broken.
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  Speaker 2: Up with and she and she was being like really
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  Speaker 2: like she was like, okay, okay, all right, well okay,
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  Speaker 2: I understand I understand. No matter what, this will never
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  Speaker 2: change the way I feel about you. Like what he
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  Speaker 2: know by that? Yeah, why wouldn't have changed the way
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  Speaker 2: he felt about her?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Was he saying I felt more strongly about you anyway,
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  Speaker 2: so her leaving makes no difference. He never says, right,
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  Speaker 2: he just just he was saying, it doesn't make me
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  Speaker 2: change the way I feel about you, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't understand that, and she kept saying, okay, okay, okay.
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  Speaker 2: That was a really uncomfortable conversation.
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  Speaker 3: And I think it's uncomfortable because we're watching two very
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  Speaker 3: unemotional people who are not opening up, and you're watching
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  Speaker 3: them just kind of like kind of have a conversation
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  Speaker 3: about their feeling like she's the last one, she's a winner.
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  Speaker 2: They dance around so much and never say how they
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  Speaker 2: really feel. How are you guys going to get there?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it might be perfect for each other because
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  Speaker 3: they just don't have a feeling, which I mean, at
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  Speaker 3: some point, I do understand not putting feelings first, putting
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  Speaker 3: logic first, but in this environment, you have to be
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  Speaker 3: a little bit vulnerable.
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  Speaker 1: And they didn't even give us a.
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  Speaker 2: Little somebody wanted to. At least we've gotten zero.
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  Speaker 1: We got it most from Sydney's who. We got it
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  Speaker 1: from this whole episode. We got the most emotion out
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  Speaker 1: of Sydney.
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  Speaker 2: But what I did like, and I felt like I
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  Speaker 2: learned a lot about Mail and it was not from mal.
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  Speaker 2: It was from the Suns and when I think Peg
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  Speaker 2: did that really good? You know, pick one or the other.
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  Speaker 2: They told us a lot about him and just that
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  Speaker 2: really conversation like that we haven't seen. I haven't seen
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  Speaker 2: a great sense of humor. I haven't seen, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the things that the adjectives that they chose, I think
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  Speaker 2: they hadn't actually seen. And I thought that was the
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  Speaker 2: most revealing thing that we got out of this maybe
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  Speaker 2: this whole show about melnd Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And his friend.
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  Speaker 3: I remember she said that he's the life of the
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  Speaker 3: party and he brings the energy, and I'm like, are
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  Speaker 3: we talking about this mel Ewis. It was so interesting
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  Speaker 3: because those are the people that know him the most,
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  Speaker 3: and I wish he would have let us see that side,
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  Speaker 3: but he just chose to not.
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  Speaker 2: A bit. I wonder if maybe it's the way this
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  Speaker 2: season was produced or edited, because I know these women
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  Speaker 2: are all like pretty incredible, they're beautiful women, they're smart,
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  Speaker 2: they're accomplished, and they have all kind of fallen for him,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't feel like they would have fallen for
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  Speaker 2: this empty person that we are seeing, this person that
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  Speaker 2: hasn't given anything. So I very much wonder if it's
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  Speaker 2: being produced in a way that we are just being
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  Speaker 2: left out of these conversations. We don't see him.
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  Speaker 3: I mean you would like to think so, right, I
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  Speaker 3: mean he is a good looking man, like we can
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  Speaker 3: wrie and I think sometimes they can put a good
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  Speaker 3: looking bachelor in front of us.
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  Speaker 1: He could say nothing will all fall for him. It
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  Speaker 1: happened before.
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  Speaker 3: But I mean their emotion that they haven't as you
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  Speaker 3: would think, there is something exactly right, like behind.
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  Speaker 2: The scenes, was so emotionally invested, like on day one
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  Speaker 2: in st Cheryl and Debbie and I mean there's so many
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  Speaker 2: of them that were emotionally invested really really early on,
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  Speaker 2: which just so just like jive with my the way
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  Speaker 2: I'm thinking of these women, these being strong and accomplished and
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  Speaker 2: like have lived a lot of life. They're not just
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  Speaker 2: falling for some smock genuinely like an empty guy that
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  Speaker 2: isn't going to provide anything anything to life, because these
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  Speaker 2: all these women have pretty rich lives already, families, they've
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  Speaker 2: worked a lot, They've gone through a lot of years
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  Speaker 2: to make the life that they have and their good lives.
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  Speaker 2: They do not need an empty guy to just be
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  Speaker 2: feeling in the bed next to them.
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  Speaker 3: Truly, and I think we could maybe see that more
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  Speaker 3: with like our side of the bacher, where it's like,
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  Speaker 3: I've never been married, I don't really know what this
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  Speaker 3: is supposed to feel, whereas like on the flip side,
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  Speaker 3: all of those women have been in love most of
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  Speaker 3: them and have experienced the life of their life.
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  Speaker 1: So if this isn't even kind of close, why would
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  Speaker 1: you push that? Would you do such a good point?
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  Speaker 1: This is things like I don't even think about.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just like, what isn't the edit it has I
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  Speaker 2: feel like, maybe, okay, so let's get to let's get
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  Speaker 2: to the proposal.
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  Speaker 1: I quote I put it in quoted.
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  Speaker 2: These are air quotes I'm doing right now. If you
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  Speaker 2: can't see me, that was so sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So we see this beautiful scene and malth he's on
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  Speaker 3: an island in the middle.
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  Speaker 2: Of a beautiful but there was like another They took
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  Speaker 2: him to the deserted island to look like or at
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  Speaker 2: least a deserted beach. He's standing there, yes, like beautiful
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  Speaker 2: blue suit. She comes in that awesome dress. The best
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  Speaker 2: seeing her look in like carry yeah, carc that man
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  Speaker 2: we're giving you, and.
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  Speaker 3: She winds blowing the speeches are happening. Yeah, what's gonna happen?
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  Speaker 1: She's not.
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  Speaker 2: She didn't, did she I love you? In that speech?
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  Speaker 1: No she did.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't think so.
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  Speaker 3: And you know what I was also thinking now that
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  Speaker 3: we're talking about it. You know, when we're talking about
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  Speaker 3: like finalely the day, like you always see the people
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  Speaker 3: getting ready, they're on their balcony, they're dry, they're talking
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  Speaker 3: about how in love they are, their emotions.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even think we got some bee roll of
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  Speaker 1: Pat talking about her emotion. I don't think so at all.
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  Speaker 2: They're holding up the dress that they think they're gonna get.
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  Speaker 1: That this is the most looking at their.
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  Speaker 2: Jewelry they're trying to do it.
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  Speaker 1: Just caught it.
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  Speaker 2: They were on an island, boats island, motor boats island
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  Speaker 2: with windblow.
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  Speaker 3: And and all of a sudden the neolane pops out,
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  Speaker 3: and you have such a good point about the meal lane.
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  Speaker 2: Of what the ring look is being a hard time
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  Speaker 2: to see. So he does his speech after she does
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  Speaker 2: her speech. Her speech was kind of a lot about
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: like how much fun they had together. Once again, didn't
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  Speaker 2: talk a lot of emotions. He just didn't really either
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  Speaker 2: talked about you know, like him coming along in this
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  Speaker 2: process and getting to where they are. I'm positive I
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  Speaker 2: love you to her? God, how do I not remember this?
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  Speaker 2: Because they did it, they didn't say it right, No,
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  Speaker 2: so neither one of them said I love you.
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  Speaker 1: You know if I'm wrong, we could.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think we're wrong because we would remember.
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  Speaker 1: They revealed the feeling. I think we're getting confused.
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  Speaker 2: So here we are standing on the like engagement the pedestal.
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  Speaker 2: There he pulls out a ring, not opens on one,
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  Speaker 2: but think it's a neelain. We all know what that means. Right,
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  Speaker 2: it's an engagement ring, except for he doesn't say, will
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  Speaker 2: you marry me? He does this roundabout speech about exploring
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  Speaker 2: the future with you. Sounds engagement right. I couldn't see
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  Speaker 2: the ring very good. He puts it on her finger.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't look like a single diamond, so it looks
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  Speaker 2: maybe not like an engagement ring. He doesn't say will
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  Speaker 2: you marry me? They are like missing limits to this proposal.
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  Speaker 2: But I still walk away thinking maybe there are maybe
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  Speaker 2: he did it, maybe they're engaged. And then they were
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  Speaker 2: engaged and the car he said to me, are they engaged?
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, no, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: They are I think they didn't get engaged.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't get engaged. I'm positive of it. Now.
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  Speaker 1: Why was there a ring because we had promister ring?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I remember on Matt James' season with Rachel he said, I,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to propose. We always feel like we
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  Speaker 3: know they are not proposing. The ring went on the finger,
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  Speaker 3: the champagne was popped.
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  Speaker 2: It sure was. They were like who and then we
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  Speaker 2: did it all of a sudden, live audience, the happy
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  Speaker 2: couple comes out there. They are looking for you, looking.
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  Speaker 1: Done, address, great energy.
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  Speaker 2: Pat I wore a short version of shout out.
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  Speaker 3: To you ran your own and Jesse goes, do you
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  Speaker 3: have plans on getting engaged.
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  Speaker 1: Like everyone in the audience not just watch? It makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: But he didn't get on one knee?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well I found you because be able to get.
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  Speaker 1: Up all of it. It's not very stable. Yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: It all makes sense.
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: If your idea of getting some action is watching The
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: Hunting Wives, you need to listen to I Do Part two.
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: Listen to I Do Part two on the iHeartRadio app,
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so they're not engaged, but they are together and
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  Speaker 2: they finally said the words we've been waiting to hear.
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  Speaker 2: But before they said it, they said, we know that
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  Speaker 2: neither one of us are emotional people, so it's we're
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  Speaker 2: working on that.
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  Speaker 1: And then he said.
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  Speaker 2: I love this woman and she said I love him,
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  Speaker 2: and that was finally. It was literally in the last
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  Speaker 2: moments of the show, maybe the last thirty cents.
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  Speaker 1: Which is absolutely crazy.
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  Speaker 3: I think we have never in history seen a final
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: couple sit on that stage and say we're not big
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: on feels, the use, we're not big on fields, and
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: we're like, I'm like, am I supposed to feel a
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: motion towards you as a.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: Couple and root for you?
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: Now when you're up there saying you don't, you barely
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: have emotions.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: It's a very odd thing to happen in a bachelor season. Okay,
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: they both knew they came on this show. The show
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: is really about feelings. It's funny that it's only think
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: it's a out.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: No, genuinely, that's fine, comes and it is so much fun,
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: but it's coming down to who can you spend the
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: rest of your life with?
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: Like, feelings are going to be important here, and both
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: of them say that they're not good about expressing feelings,
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: which is hilarious that they ended up together at the
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: end of the Soldier.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, we were talking about this.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: It does make sense we see them maybe, you know what, Like,
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: I don't know if Sidney could have really stayed knowing that,
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: like there wasn't a proposal, that the love you came
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: so far down the line.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: It really had to have.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: Been pegged because she's fine with going at his pace,
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: and like that she admitted that she wasn't in love
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: with him when he wasn't in love with her yet.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's the thing that made him comfortable, Like the
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: pressure was off and he was not ready to commit.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: And if Cidy had just given him a little grace
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: and just said, like, I'll go at your pace, I'm
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: good with that, she could have been the last one standing. Yeah,
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: I'm still I'm still.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: A little I know.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: I love that they are together. I love that they're
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: in love now. They looked extremely happy. I still think
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: that there was a path that Cidy could have gotten
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: there too. And I feel like we bachelination mitched, miss jumped.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: I agree, and it's just empty.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: I've been in so many fars I don't think I've
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: ever walked away feeling so disconnected from the franchise. In
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: a way, I'm like God, because it's like the franchise
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: and it has nothing to do with them.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: It's just the amount of like.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: No emotion, lack of emotions, especially on the last day,
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: so I only had one person going into my last day.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: I was so emotional and like, I don't think it's
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: bad to not have two people coming to you know,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: the engagement, you know, mound or circle or whatever it
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: is artificial. I think it's very uncomfortable and we feel
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: very sorry for that person. So I'm not It doesn't
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: bother me when when the person chooses to not have
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: them come there and goes and says, you're not that
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: person for me, But she's self eliminated, and so I
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: feel like we missed that conversation. Like I like it
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: when they don't have two people coming to the proposal.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: And you're excited and oh my gosh, they're in love
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: and it's just her and she does.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: And she's going to be so excited.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: It was just her. We lost all of that, and
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: I get that nothing.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: They try to like keep us on the hook with
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: like even when he was going to have her meet
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: and his family, he was like, well, you know, maybe
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: there's still it might not be her.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: I'm like, well, then who's it going to be? No
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: One like like it like.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: It was a hard watch and I feel like we
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: want to root for them, like we do root for them,
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: but sitting here, I'm just like the whole world is
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: definitely half of them are going to think they're engaged
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: half or not. We know that he loves food, what
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: else do we know? Like the season's over, what do
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: I actually know about him?
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: And what do I know about the pet?
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: They have a really busy they did talk about like
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: their very busy schedule and going forward, I think she's
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: going to wear them out. Do you think they're going
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: to last?
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: You know what.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: I do, just because I feel like she's along for
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: the ride, he's along for the ride.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Feelings will come, if they come.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: I think at this point, the way they're talking about
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: it is we just want to enjoy each other's company
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: and if it happens, it happens, And sometimes I think.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: It does work out for those couples.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like they have a lot of fun.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Plant Like they talked about the next like like two months,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: and there's so much to do it on now, they're
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: gonna get it and fit it all in. I think
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: eventually he's going to get tired.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, what do you think.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: I feel like you, out of everyone, would have the
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: best gauge, Like looking back, you guys are still going strong.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's hard coming out. And you know
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: this too, you know, being on the show, you're in
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: the in the bubble. Then you do happy couples, which
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: it's less of a bubble. You're not you don't have
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: cameras around you, but you're living out in the real world.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Today is the day the test starts.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Really, yeah, because they have to be.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: They exists in the world where there's a lot of
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: criticism and a lot of opinions, and they're gonna have
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: a lot of people coming at them. And I think
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: the next three months are very telling. Yeah, I think
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: that's when, or maybe the next six months.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: What's your advice to him if he listening. Yeah, because
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: they didn't ask Joan, which I was also pissed about.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: They asked Gary and Jack and I was like, Joan
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: is sitting right there in the middle, and I think
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: she has advice.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Too, I asked Jock, I said, do you want to
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: take that question? Okay, I'm like comic so well, but
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: I can't ask.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: I was like, Jesse, I.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Do I know I do have advice because I feel
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: like like you finally are out with your friends and
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: your family and the world, and you're out in public.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: And I think some people get they like the fame,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: and I think you need to like your relationship way
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: more than you like the fame because it's over. I
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: think it destroys people. I think you become as important
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: as people are saying, like you're starting to believe your
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: own press. You know, it was never believe your own
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: press good or bad. Like people are like loving you
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: as a couple, and like you need all that outside reinforcement.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: It feels good. And when you stop getting that, then
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: it's really on YouTube to be the reinforcement for each other. Yeah,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: and you just start that process early. You can't wait
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: for it to stop from the public, like it's your
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: responsibility to make sure the relationship is good.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: I'm interested to see though, him moving forward, because it
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: feels like he didn't like do much press.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: How involved is he with the public.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: I feel like for you and for Gary, it was
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: so you know, pushed to the whole world was so
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: excited and everyone was getting ready and his I didn't
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: even know it was starting.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: It felt kind of just like very private.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: It was crazy, wasn't it. Yes, Well, I think that
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: he made that wonder a bad statement. I needed to
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: get out there and apologize to the women before anybody
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: was really going to want to listen to his press.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: I don't think he had an opportunity to do it
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: because he had started the journey in such a bad
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: way and you know, and he overcame that. He really did,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: He really did overcome that, and he had us all
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: believing that that wasn't a criteria, that age thing that
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: he has said so and like he and it's true, yeah,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: both of them are so Like he did a really
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: good job of coming from a negative position. He made
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: it back to like ground zero. He just didn't make
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: it past that.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be interesting.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: It's gonna be so interesting because I mean obviously seasons
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: EBB and flow, but like the excitement of yours and Gary's,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: it just it feels so different this time, which is like,
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: you know, it'll be so interesting to see if we'll
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: get a bachelorette and who it would be.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: If we do. So, if you if you looked at
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: the audience, really well, so many of the women from
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: his season were.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: There, weren't almost all? It felt like almost all. Yeah, so.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Like let's take well, we're not gonna take another quation,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: so the logical person to choose probably be sitting. That's
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: kind of like pretty standard bachelor. Yeah, but he had
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: some pretty incredible women on his season. Do you have
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: somebody that you would choose? First of all, would you
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: choose Sidney? And if you didn't choose Cidy, who would
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: you choose from that?
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: It's so difficult, Like obviously it's like you would feel
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: like Sidney. But then we also talked about like maybe
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: if she would have pushed us a little bit further,
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: that I could.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Do it for her a little bit more.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: And Joan and I were talking about this on the way,
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Like even in Gary season there obviously there was a
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: final three and amazing choices, but I remember Jones like
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: leaving and it really stuck out to me. So I
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: feel like there are so many, like you said, deserving women.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: But Debbie, so I love the idea sweet, and I
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: love the idea of something different. So like we have Taylor,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Frankie Paul, she is a shake up right now. I
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: think it's gonna be an insanely popular season. I think
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: that we like that we've never had one that has
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: three kids, two baby daddies, had a sex scandal, and
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: is a convicted criminal. I mean, let's just put it
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: all out there. We all know it's not I think,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: though I'm kind of intrigued by her.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: No I have to watch. I like, I think the
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: whole world.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Different, Like we've been seeing maybe the same old thing
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: a lot of a lot of years. So it makes
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: me think that maybe Debbie is a really good choice
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: because we have not seen an older person that has
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: never been married before. In fact, we have very few
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: contestants that I've been married before, only one on the
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Golden Bachelor season, really only one on my season, and
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: she was the only one on that season. So we
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: had three that have come on the show at all
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: that have not been have never been married.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: I love that. It's such a good I love so badly.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: I feel like she's never well she's found love before,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: she's actually had serious relationships, but she's never been married,
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: She's never had like her person, the person you plan
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: your future with and you're going to grow old with.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: And I feel like I'd really be rooting for her,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: almost more than I root for Cindy.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: No, I agree, because it would be the first time
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: the audience, of course golden they always say like second chance,
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: I love, but it's.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Her first, just in her golden years. Yeah, that's such
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: a good point.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Wait, we shaid start campaigning for this, because that's such
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: a good idea.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: I'm totally upset it, like a five times on podcast.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: I really love actual love of her life, the actual
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: her golden years would be beautiful and.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: She would be so per Can you imagine her wedding,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Like you have to televise it?
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: No, you would have to me and Joan will be
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: in the front row, and I will.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: I voted for you early, yes, And she looked beautiful.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: She was there tonight.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't even see her. I think I'm in
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: the audience.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Beautiful, And I think that she would be really good.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: And I loved her heart and she buried her soul
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: and I don't think she would have given up if
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: she had made it to the final two. I don't
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: think she would have You're not giving me what I need,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: and I think she would have been there till the
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: end for him.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh wait, what a crazy ending.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: It was an ending. I don't know how I feel that.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: I usually have a data process and I could kind
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: of get my brain to like how I feel about it.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, I'm just like spitting it all out
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: right now, as as you are, like, did I like
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: that ending? Director? Did I not like that ending?
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: What do you think? I think?
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: I almost well, I've never been to and after the
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: final rows that was like pre taped, so the world
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: doesn't know right now, which is so interesting because we
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: get to have these thoughts without Sometimes I think one
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: way and then I'll look online and I'm like, oh
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: maybe I was wrong.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you'll hear other people's.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: I've never walked away and just didn't feel warm and fuzzy.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: AFR is such a good feeling.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: I don't. I feel like Sidney ripped of of that
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: their ending, Like it was like an abrupt ending that
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: I wasn't ready for. I feel like they didn't say
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: they loved each other when they were standing there on
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: the beach. They got a weirdering thing happening that it
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: was a proposal. Maybe it was it they come out
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: and sit next to each other finally say I love you.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: But the love you wasn't like I'm so in love
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: shine with you.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: And the more I we've done our happy couple of
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: visits and I've fallen so deeply in love with you,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: it's like he's like, yeah, I do love this woman now,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: and she's like, yeah, you love this guy.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: You know, You're so right.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: And then they're like, we don't do feels, and everyone's
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: like religion feels.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, like love is in the air, no truly,
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: and you know what, maybe that's just how they are
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: and and they're the type of people that are going
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: to share that all in private, which I totally love.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: But it's just like, it's not what you do. We've
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: bared worse than are so we've liked, oh.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: My gosh so much because it's just you know, in
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: the name of love, and it's it's.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Part of the show. And the audience fallows along.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: I know, and you know what, Bache Nation gets invested
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: in you because you are being real and you're like
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: and they can relate to your feelings all loved and
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: lost or we've all you know, had bad relationships and
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: so like talking about those and people relating to you.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: They gave us something to relate to.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: And it's so true, I know, and we're so happy
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: for that, we really are.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: But it's is just like our raw feelings, which I
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: know you got to people with. But yeah, we are comfortable. Yeah,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: we love them, We do love that. We are so
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: happy for them. But I love that Fuzzy is not there.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: We're missing that. There was a little part of me, actually,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: there was a big part of me that hoped this
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: that he would propose right there.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Has that happened before?
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Who was it? Was it?
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Somebody did? Jason and Mollie, I can't remember, somebody and Monne.
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: But then you're so happy, you're like the You're like okay, wait, okay, okay,
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: We're like okay wait.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: Maybe he's just like he didn't know and now it's
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: it's they're so married.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they like they finally said there love. And
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: I thought he was going to like get down on
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: one knee and pull out a ring. Another neeling Neeeling
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: was sitting next to him, and there we should ask
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: him we could ask him.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: I bet you know. When we're like, was that a proposal?
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Is that a ring, he'd be like.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know. I was hoping that
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: he would do it. I had this big thought in
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: my mind, and then when they started doing the bloopers,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: I'm like, well, it's not happening.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: As soon as the bloopers ran, we saw a clip
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: of Taylor yeah, and that was it. Yeah, and then
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: it was over and it just then we went home
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: and here we are.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: You know who made me feel the most woman buzzy
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: was Taylor m I liked her. Yeah, she like I
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: have all these and I've watched super Lives of Mormon Wives.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: I think it's a great.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: I know I can't wait for the next season.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: And I hear the next season is juicy. Yes. I
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: talked to some of the girls at you you were
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: there with the.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: O.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: They would give me a little, a little scoop. I
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: feel like Taylor franky Paul is emotional and like she's raw,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: and I think she's like that on Super Lines and
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Mormon Wives. She's like she's always super honest. I think
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: I out of all the things tonight she was she
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: was the most emotional other than.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: No, just seeing that small clip, you are so right,
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: She's already saying, I can see my husband.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: I feel like I can fall in love.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: I've already been through so much as is way harder
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: like and you could see it, like watching her sit
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: down there, I'm like, oh my god, I felt like
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: I was there again, Like.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I was it. I've been.
• 31:20
  Speaker 7: Relating to it and I sat on that couch too,
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: of you and I still couldn't connect, I know, and
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: I've been kind of the city person, like I left
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: you know, Gary season early and like we had, you know,
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: we had started to form some bond and I don't know,
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: I was disappointed to be left.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: I was disappointed in their lack of emotions. I don't
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: feel like this finale wold me at all and usually
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: finelles deal.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: The most interesting part was probably that Gary and Teresa
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: were in the same audience.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: And that was probably the juicy far was that nuts that?
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, my guys really were all the yes, so
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: many exes in the audience. I'm like when they do that,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: like did they know? I know, because they know that
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: the other person is going to be there.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: Very interesting audience if you guys can pick them out.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know the studio. Yeah, it's like I think
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: the most Bachelor Nations filled.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: I'd every love it.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: I love it. A union, Yeah, it was like two
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: whole sections of terination, so much fun. It was really good. Yeah.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: I am excited to see if the Golden Series continues
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: me to feel like every single every single year is
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: on the chopping block.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: I'm worried this.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: And especially Bachelorette, because Bachelorette is always on the chopping block.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: We know that that's the first one to go.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Everybody knows Bachelorette doesn't get as good ratings Bachelor.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Because the women make us season.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: We do. The men of my season make the season the.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Amazing there, but the women, it's just it's so they're
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: so fun to watch. So yeah, it'll be interesting. I
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: wouldn't mind you being old so special like she truly
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: is like the only goal that I would be like, Okay,
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: we just ever never don't.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think that there are lots of
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: ones that are deserving. I'm voting for Debbie right now. Okay,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Team Debbie. We love it, and I don't want Sidney
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: to hate me and think that I wasn't voting for her.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: No, of course, so happy.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Yes, I don't like Sydney's our help.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: By the way, you're a beautiful, stunning eye. Her dress
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: was amazing, like the silver giving Goerella.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Which dress did you like the best?
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: She loved both, and I love that they both went sparkles, yeah,
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: big time. It was giving revenge dress for Sydney and
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: Pegs was just so fun and she was dancing before
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: she came out.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: It was sparkling. It was definitely her personality.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was her versatility right, and was her personality yes, yeah,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: she's a little more subdued. Even the sparkle. It was
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: like a silver gray.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: It was beautiful and they everyone liked beautiful.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: Maybe we will get a wedding and then we'll see
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: some more emotions.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Maybe they'll do a big punch when.
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: They'll do their own bells'd be terrible, can you imagine?
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: Okay, So I feel like the juiciest part of this
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: whole episode was the fact that Teresa and Gary were
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: in the audience together.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: What the heck?
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: I saw Teresa and I thought Gary wasn't here, and
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, I turned around and I
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: see Gary and his fiance.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, walking in and they okay, so they were sitting
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: in sections right next to each other, so you could,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: I would say, right next to Gary.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: I didn't even know the audience half the time because
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: she was sitting in the same row. I couldn't see across.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: They were like next to each other basically, but just
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: like like a bleacher apart.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Or literally they could and hit each other.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: No, genuinely, I know they were so close.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: I didn't couldn't even see them, and where the prompter
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: was right in the middle.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Well, so I kept looking over to see if there
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: was going to ever be any eye contact, and I
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: think only one time did Gary look over there. What
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: was really like at commercial breaks, we all get up
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: and walk around and like say, running around. Gary never
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: moved from his She did it because I don't think
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: he wanted to have an encounter encounter with her. I
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: think that it was no care now and she really
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: didn't move from her seat. She stayed kind of over
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: with the golden batcher over. I mean we're friends, yeah, never, yeah, never,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: those two world's going to meet.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: That is absolutely crazy what I've been seeing in the press.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: And I bet there's should be a lot of cameras
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: on both of them throughout this whole taping, because I
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: really feel like their story is probably the biggest answer.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: And it's crazy because like we talked about the warm fuzzies,
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: and I remember at their wedding, I was crying, he was.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: That was so emotional and see, yeah we were there
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: the wedding to where we are now, It's like, it's
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: so hard that this happens to couples, but especially them,
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: because I feel like they've both been through so much
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: and now to be going back and forth in the press,
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: it's so stressed.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: And they're each other down.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: They're making each other look, both look bad, and they're
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: both really like pretty good people I know.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: And they're making you feel bad.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: They're just showing each other. It just keeps going back
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: and forth back every day. Disappointing.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like I think one thing was said and then
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: like I hear something about chopping bodies and hiding bodies.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what's happening. I saw Teresa.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, I think it was all
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: taken out of conto.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: No, of course we know that he's not.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Really bad.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, and.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: It was okay, so but I mean, she used it
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: against him. I feel like maybe I don't know. I
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: wasn't there, but I don't I know him. I don't
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: He's not like this guy would kill somebody and think
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: it was just really stooge.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: I know, And especially now when like these words are
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: holding a lot of weight because there are so many
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: eyeballs on it, you know what it is doing.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like knowing those book he's making some money.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it's so pep. We're going to buy
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: that book. All press is good press.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: I have learned that I'm still had.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: A right bad press. I think he's gonna excel some books.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: So I mean, I think, I I think, I'm I
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: think everybody left a hole today because they avoided each other.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: And I'm not sure why Bachelor invited both both of them.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: I know you think they knew.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because I know Leslie and Triesa didn't get
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: invited until like just a couple of days ago when
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: things were really hidden.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: And no ways, this is so messy.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: I feel like Bachelor producers, you know, they always say,
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: like Chris Jenner works harder than the devil.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: I think the Bachelor producers might work harder than Chris Jenner.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: They really, because that's crazy.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: I thought it was just like a planned thing, like
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: everyone was because it's golden.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: And there was no other person from our season other
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: than Sondra that was there. And Sondra was there because
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: her sister was on Mel season. They were the only
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: two people there, right, not a single other person from
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Gary season, Me, Leslie, Leslie, Teresa and Sora because Sonder's
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: sister was.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is messy.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why. I mean, if anybody, if anybody looks
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: at this audience, they're going to figure that.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: Oh, I feel like that's going to be everything obvious
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: everyone's talking about.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: It's really obvious. Okay, So I feel like we we
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: kind of skipped over that really uncomfortable conversation of Mel
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: and Cindy's sitting on the sofa and hers her saying
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: like what happened and he him saying like I needed
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: time with you in the fantasy like we missed the time,
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: and she said, well, you weren't giving me enough to
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: make me want to go to the fantasy feet with you.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: When I feel like you could say like we need
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: to talk. We don't need to have that physical part
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: of it. And it's just you guys going into a
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: room without cameras. Why is that such a big deal?
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: And then she would say, well, you didn't give me enough,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: and he said, well, I couldn't give you enough because
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: I needed to tell you stuff. I need to talk
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: to you in fantasy, you talk to you without cameras.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: And she said, well, I wasn't going to go in
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: there without more of a better promise from you or
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: a better more emotions from you. And it just went
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: back and forth and back and forth and back and
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: forth to the point where Jesse finally jumped in. He
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: had to like referee it.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: He was pulling Hi just crazy at a real sitting.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: We were like, this is never going to end. Somebody
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: needs to stop it. So he did.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: I got like two bulls, like budding heads, like both
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: of them. No one was like actually saying how they feel.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: And then Jesse said, and it wasn't during this conversation.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: It was before Mel came out.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: When she was sitting there alone, she said, did you
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: want Mel to come after you? Because Jesse had come
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: and spoken about hard you know, do you use the
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: opportunity to go after it? She hasn't left it, and
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: he said no, and then he asked her, do you
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: wish that he had come? And she said no, And
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: I'm not positive I believe that.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: I also just I don't like it when it's like,
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: if you cared about someone a little bit after that breakup,
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: I would want to have a talk with them, even
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: if it was off camera, and be like, listen, can
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: we have five minutes off camera like before this like
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: is actually over. And the fact that both of them
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: just so easily let it go, it was really disappointing.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's disappointing to.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: Hear her say because clearly you felt those feelings and
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: you did want him to come after you, because don't
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: we all we want the man and the profession of love,
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: and it's like it's saddy, hell no. Yeah, And it's
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: hard I think sometimes when months go by and then you're.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Like, oh, never mind, I never really liked them, and
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: it feels.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Like that's what we're I know. Yeah, And I felt
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: like like he should have gone after her if he
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: cared enough, so maybe.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: She didn't even.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: Conversation, and it, really, I think is just both of
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: them being stubborn. And I hate to say, yeah, I
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: do wish that she would have just went to the
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: Fantasy Suite to talk, because it's not like he was
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: giving peg promises and she said, well, you can't give them.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: If that was happening, I would agree with her one
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: hundred percent.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Could have totally self eliminated. She could have subliminated after that, Yes.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: And even in the morning. In the morning, if I
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: still feel this way, I'm going to leave.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: But I want you to know going in, I need
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: to have these important conversations with you.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: I'm to make my decision. She could have said that
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: up front, I'm not going to go. This isn't going
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: to be a physical thing. But that's what was keeping
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: her back, because the thing that was keeping her back
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: was the physical part of it, because she wanted to
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: have those conversations. So why did she just say that's
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: off the table for us. I do want to spend
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: time with you, but I don't want to. I don't
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: think I'm at that place yet with you. I don't
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: have enough for you to want to do that. Yeah,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: why why couldn't have that been like no conversation.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: I agree, and like I think the Fantasy Suite they
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: always do visually make it seem like so yeah sexy
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: and everybody in the morning, yeah, with the robes, and
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: I mean sometimes it could be a very tiny part,
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: but the main part is like they don't understand we're
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: in that room for like so many hours, no camera,
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: no phone, no it's eavy like you were talking the
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: entire time.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: It really does make a difference. And I wish she
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: would have given him that time.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: It helped me make my decision to tell you that.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: I mean it really I came out knowing.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's so important, and I think sometimes the
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: physical thing can block And I mean, I love the
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: way you did it, and I feel like so many
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: people have done it in the past where like they said,
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: that's off the table, so valid, make that like known upfront.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: I love that, but I mean it is so important
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: just to be like, what are you actually feeling? There's
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: no cameras, how do we move forward?
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: And she didn't, and we wish she would have, Like
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: so easily I.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: Would have been like, Okay, here's your ultimatum, and the morning,
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna leave what I need on the camera and
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: I want to give you that because I care about you.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Well, and he also did say something like he used
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: the term two years and so hard of that conversation,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: and she said like, yeah, I'm not willing to wait two.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Years, which I do feel that's a long time.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: I get that, And I mean there was something similar
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: that happened on my season where I had someone who
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: didn't want to get engaged and it was so important
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: to me at the time that they made that commitment
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: to me. So I do in a way understand where
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: she's coming from that this is you know, the Bachelor.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: There's a ring, it is involved, and I completely.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Agree with her the two years it was a long
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: that is.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a long time.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: I remember Joey and Lex had that same conversation and
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: she went to him and spoke to him like, you know, said,
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: I have this physical thing that happens. You know that
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: she is going to have a hard time having babies
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: and she needed the timeline to be quicker, and he said,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to get there, and she was. She
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: self eliminated. But I don't think Cindy ever, like had
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: that conversation she just before it happened.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we saw a lot of it off camera,
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: like in the live audience and after she had months
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: and months and months to like cross about it.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so I have to address my lack of voice.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: So was party.
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: I was.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: I was out a little less. We went out to dinner.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: We actually went with Bachelor People, which was really fun.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: I ended up with with Pascal was in town and
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: for my season, yes, yep, and he was there and
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Monica Bee was there and we saw them sitting together
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: in the audience.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, wait any more. I can't give you
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: any tea.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: That's up to them. And then Theresa Leslie.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Quite a fun group.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: I love that party. I was at eight pm as
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: soon as the sun went down, tucked in. I have
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: to I love that you guys went out, but we
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: need to get her at tea.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: I know. So I'm sorry.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: I couldn't like talk very good. But no, you sound
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: so much better than you did in the car. When
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: we were in the car, I was like, Joe, this
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: is gonna be an a s m R episode. Just
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: whispered to me. I'll say, what you think you just talk? No,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: you did so. I feel like your voice bounced back.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: It's giving raspy.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh god, I want to feel respy, I feel tired.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: I know this was it was a long night.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, thanks Ben and Ashley for letting us take over,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: especially for this really monumental fin helly, thank you for
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: letting us do it. And we're honored that you'd want
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: to hear our opinion. I know we didn't. We're not
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: professionals like you guys, but we have been set in
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: the seats, he said, and I feel like we had
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: a really good view of what was No.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: I love it.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Should we do what it's? Ben's outro always it's like
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: I've been met.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: I've been Rachel. Okay, you you have Ashley. Okay, so
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: I've been Joe.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: And I've been Rachel and what are they? I forget
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: I say that, And I've been Joed, I've been Rachel.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: We did it.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: H