Latest / In Her Own Name / AI with Soul: How Sabrina Ramonov Is Building Tools and Teaching the World

Transcript

AI with Soul: How Sabrina Ramonov Is Building Tools and Teaching the World · In Her Own Name

• 0:16
  Good afternoon, good evening, good morning, wherever in the
• 0:18
  world you are, and welcome to an episode of In Her Own Name.
• 0:23
  Now here, we believe that a quiet revolution is happening where
• 0:28
  women are reclaiming who we are, not just the words that have been.
• 0:33
  Labeled to us or how the world wants us to show up, but how
• 0:37
  we choose to name ourselves.
• 0:39
  Living, leading, speaking in our own name means owning our stories, our power and
• 0:44
  our truth without apology or permission.
• 0:47
  It's not about becoming someone new, it's about return to who you've always been.
• 0:51
  Now.
• 0:52
  This is our very first episode, and I'm truly deeply excited.
• 0:58
  I, for those who know me, I'm Lillian Ogbogoh, and when I get the pleasure
• 1:02
  of interviewing someone, amazing, I can't help but be a total fan girl.
• 1:07
  So I am going to introduce to you guys who may not know her,
• 1:12
  and I don't know how you don't.
• 1:14
  The one and only Sabrina Ramal.
• 1:16
  She is a Filipino AI educator.
• 1:19
  She's a founder storyteller.
• 1:22
  This is a woman who basically is changing how AI works for most people
• 1:28
  and exactly creating AI education.
• 1:33
  For free for people.
• 1:35
  I said the free words.
• 1:36
  She is creating AI education for free.
• 1:40
  After selling her startup for over 10 million, she stepped back from
• 1:44
  the hustle to rediscover her purpose.
• 1:48
  She came back with a mission to teach.
• 1:51
  A million people about AI in ways that are human, joyful, and radically accessible.
• 1:58
  So please welcome the incredible Sabrina Romanov.
• 2:02
  Oh, thank you so much for having me here.
• 2:03
  That was an incredible introduction, so thank you.
• 2:06
  Yeah.
• 2:06
  Looking forward to our conversation today.
• 2:08
  Oh, I am so excited.
• 2:09
  So I'm gonna say again, thank you for saying yes and joining us.
• 2:12
  , Let's start this first and foremost.
• 2:15
  You sold your startup, you , sold your business.
• 2:18
  You got, as they will say, you got the bag and you decided, Nope, I'm done.
• 2:27
  What was that like?
• 2:29
  I mean, it was incredibly exciting to sell my company and have a win
• 2:34
  under my belt because when I started it with my husband at the time,
• 2:38
  we didn't have much experience in business or entrepreneurship.
• 2:41
  We had just graduated college with degrees in computer science and we're
• 2:45
  like, let's build an AI company.
• 2:47
  Which by the way is very hard in 20 13, 20 14.
• 2:50
  It took seven years for us to build that company.
• 2:52
  We made.
• 2:53
  Every possible mistake that you can think of.
• 2:56
  And by the end of it, I was pretty burnt out, like physically, psychologically,
• 3:00
  emotionally, and a lot of that period after selling the company was
• 3:04
  really trying to rediscover like, what do I want to do with my life?
• 3:07
  How do I wanna serve others?
• 3:09
  What impact do I wanna leave behind?
• 3:11
  And that's what ultimately led me to making AI education content for free.
• 3:16
  Okay.
• 3:17
  And we thank you for doing that.
• 3:19
  And on this quest to make AI education for free, accessible to over a million
• 3:25
  people, you created something called Blotato Now, the name cracks me up, but
• 3:31
  it's a platform that helps creators turn one idea into many, so your voices can
• 3:36
  be heard far and wide without burnout.
• 3:39
  And why Blotato as in the name.
• 3:44
  Oh, so it's actually a nickname for manatees.
• 3:47
  So my husband and I, we briefly lived in Florida and we love manatees in Florida.
• 3:51
  So Blotato is like, kind of like bloated potato or floating potato
• 3:55
  as a nickname for manatees.
• 3:56
  And that's why the logo is a manatee.
• 3:58
  Now that answers my question.
• 4:00
  'cause I remember I signed up and I was looking at it, I'm like, okay, there's
• 4:04
  a manatee and I didn't put it together.
• 4:06
  I was like.
• 4:07
  Okay.
• 4:09
  Alright, so that's really cool.
• 4:10
  Now, okay, we know you as this founder, we know you as an educator.
• 4:17
  Before you were all of this, who was Sabrina when you first got
• 4:21
  curious about tech or building things, who were you before the
• 4:25
  company, before this big mission?
• 4:27
  Who were you?
• 4:29
  Yeah.
• 4:29
  A lot of people don't realize this, but like my core passion areas
• 4:32
  have always been the humanities.
• 4:34
  So like reading, writing, philosophy.
• 4:37
  When I started in college, I majored in philosophy and wanted to do something
• 4:41
  with that, and I honestly switched for practical reasons like I thought.
• 4:45
  I saw computer science internships.
• 4:47
  I saw the market exploding and high demand in that.
• 4:50
  And what really intrigued me and why I started an AI startup was the
• 4:52
  intersection of humanities and technology.
• 4:56
  So in our, my first startup, curious, we built technology that could
• 4:59
  basically analyze what people are saying in real time, like how an AI
• 5:02
  meeting assistant can join a call.
• 5:04
  We had that in 20 14, 20 15, and it would analyze what's.
• 5:07
  Being discussed objections, that's, let's say cus you're on a customer call.
• 5:11
  Customers are raising questions, customers are asking, analyze it all,
• 5:16
  using natural language processing, speech recognition, and then guide
• 5:19
  the person on the call to respond.
• 5:21
  If you're calling in complaining that you can't access your login.
• 5:25
  AI is analyzing that and helping the human support person be able
• 5:29
  to respond to you effectively.
• 5:31
  And so what really intrigued me was that intersection of like language
• 5:35
  communication and technology.
• 5:37
  And you can tell now from my teaching, like reading and writing and ex.
• 5:41
  Explaining things in simpler ways is just something I'm very passionate about.
• 5:45
  Like I've always kind of been obsessed with that naturally, and I think that
• 5:49
  comes across in the way I teach as well.
• 5:51
  I'll try, I'll do my best to take a technical concept and like really try
• 5:54
  to just break it down into something that a person with minimal background
• 5:58
  can understand and digest and hopefully walk away with something actionable.
• 6:03
  So let me say this.
• 6:05
  As somebody who digests your content and shares it farm wide, you, it's not a hope.
• 6:12
  You do it very well, and you make the complex easy, and you do it really well.
• 6:17
  So now that explains your background in education and sharing content.
• 6:21
  So yeah, you do it quite well.
• 6:22
  So I feel I should say that as well.
• 6:25
  Now.
• 6:26
  One of the things I was gonna say when we, when I spoke to you about wanting
• 6:29
  to do an interview with you, one of the things you say you don't normally do
• 6:32
  interviews, but the reason why you said you were going to do that was basically
• 6:36
  you wanted to actually connect with women from your background and really have them
• 6:41
  show up as founders, owners, builders.
• 6:45
  Why is that important to you?
• 6:47
  It's important to me because I didn't have many role models like myself growing up.
• 6:53
  Similar to my decision to not wear makeup and not dress up for like my
• 6:57
  TikTok videos and things like that.
• 6:59
  I just want, I just wish when I was younger I wish I had more role models
• 7:03
  that were like, just really focused on.
• 7:05
  Building things like building businesses and things like that.
• 7:08
  And like, not as focused on appearance, which I know, you know, it floods media
• 7:12
  of women, young women in particular.
• 7:14
  Um, when I was growing up, when the Kardashian show came out, I was
• 7:18
  obsessed with the first season before it went utterly mainstream because they
• 7:22
  were building businesses supposedly.
• 7:24
  That's what it looked like to me when I was 12.
• 7:26
  Right.
• 7:26
  And there was no other show.
• 7:28
  Like that on tv.
• 7:29
  There really wasn't of like featuring women specifically like minority
• 7:33
  women building their own businesses.
• 7:36
  And so it, it is a passion of mine just because, like I still think a
• 7:39
  lot of that is lacking in media today, whether it's TikTok or mainstream media,
• 7:44
  like TV shows and things like that.
• 7:45
  Just not enough examples.
• 7:47
  Um, so I just try to be the example that I wish I had growing up.
• 7:52
  That's awesome.
• 7:54
  And I think we definitely need more, more of those examples.
• 7:58
  Especially like I said, for black and brown women.
• 8:00
  We need more of those examples.
• 8:01
  We need more women who are saying, listen, we are building.
• 8:05
  Let's break the system and build something that actually works for us.
• 8:08
  And
• 8:11
  let me ask you this.
• 8:12
  Growing up, looking at your background, looking at what, how far you've
• 8:15
  come, what story were you once afraid to tell and what changed
• 8:19
  when you finally gave it a voice?
• 8:22
  Ooh, that's a really tough question.
• 8:23
  I would say like when I started becoming a content creator and
• 8:27
  putting myself out there publicly, it brought out a lot of insecurities
• 8:31
  that I didn't realize I still had.
• 8:33
  Um, I'll give a very real tangible example, like people are very afraid
• 8:37
  of trolls and toxicity online.
• 8:39
  A comment I still regularly get is like, are you a man?
• 8:42
  Because my voice is on the lower side of things.
• 8:45
  And that's an insecurity I've had for like, a long time in my life.
• 8:48
  So when I was a teenager, I dreaded being the one to order pizza on the
• 8:53
  phone because they'd be like, and they'd pick up and be like, oh, hello sir.
• 8:57
  And like, just assume I was a guy because of my lower voice.
• 9:00
  Um, and I know Layla Hormoz has talked about this as well 'cause she has
• 9:03
  like a lower voice, but like, you know, being a content creator brings
• 9:06
  out a lot of insecurities like that.
• 9:09
  It's not just about the physical, it's like.
• 9:11
  Are you, do you know anything special?
• 9:13
  Like, why are you worth listening to?
• 9:16
  Why would anyone, take a minute and care about what you have to say?
• 9:20
  I think those are like fundamental questions that you have to grapple with
• 9:24
  in that first few months as a creator.
• 9:26
  And there's no shortcut to that except like really diving in and
• 9:30
  exploring those questions for yourself.
• 9:32
  Even when I started, it wasn't super clear to me like what my mission would be.
• 9:36
  That slogan teach 1 million AI people.
• 9:39
  AI came like several months into the journey when it became crystal
• 9:43
  clear to me, like, oh, this is very specifically the audience I wanna serve
• 9:47
  and the impact I wanna have, and here's how it aligns with things that I'm
• 9:51
  really passionate about and good at.
• 9:53
  For example, like I said, like studying philosophy and writing and being able.
• 9:57
  Still complex concepts into simple terms.
• 10:00
  Um, but it took several months I think, for that to align.
• 10:03
  And I think a lot of people today I noticed like beginner content
• 10:05
  creators, like try to figure all of that out before they start, right?
• 10:09
  The court conventional courses like, pick your niche and pick this and
• 10:12
  your content pillars and do that.
• 10:13
  And, but like so much of it you figure out along the way by interacting with your
• 10:18
  audience and also by creating different types of content and realizing, oh.
• 10:22
  This is what authentically resonates with me and not this over here.
• 10:26
  Um, like people don't know.
• 10:27
  When I first started I even had like comedy skits, which
• 10:30
  I know is hard to imagine.
• 10:32
  They're all hidden now.
• 10:33
  They're all private.
• 10:34
  But like I just experimented with that format 'cause I didn't want
• 10:36
  to like rule anything out almost.
• 10:38
  But it was very cringey.
• 10:40
  Like it's really not my style and that's okay.
• 10:42
  Like, I figured that out about myself as I continued the process.
• 10:47
  You know?
• 10:47
  I love that.
• 10:48
  I love how you redefined yourself and redefine what.
• 10:51
  What looks right for you?
• 10:53
  And I think that's actually very crucial.
• 10:55
  Anybody that puts themself out on the internet, the fear of the backlash,
• 11:02
  and I think it's gotten worse over time, is like, I actually tell
• 11:06
  myself, do not read the comments.
• 11:07
  Do not read the comments.
• 11:08
  Do not read the comments, because they're ter, they can be really terrible.
• 11:13
  And it's almost like they forget that there's an actual person.
• 11:17
  Who is behind that post, who is actually sharing.
• 11:20
  So I think, yeah, that is actually really good advice, is understanding that as
• 11:25
  you build you, your niche will change and you will change and, and being really
• 11:31
  willing to actually go in that process.
• 11:34
  Yeah, absolutely.
• 11:34
  And I've made my mistakes too, like on, on TikTok, I have made videos with over
• 11:39
  a hundred thousand people viewing it with things that were just completely wrong.
• 11:43
  For example, I thought this game that somebody vibe coded, like they actually
• 11:46
  vibe coded, but it was a parody on Twitter, and I got blasted for that.
• 11:50
  But I kept that video up because it's like, it's okay.
• 11:53
  Like I took ownership for it.
• 11:55
  I took accountability for it.
• 11:56
  I said, oh yeah.
• 11:57
  This was wrong and I ended up vibe coding my own version of Elden Ring.
• 12:00
  Anyway, just to prove that you could do it.
• 12:02
  Of course that one doesn't go viral.
• 12:04
  It's only the mistake that goes viral, but it's okay.
• 12:07
  Like your life will continue.
• 12:09
  Just own up to it.
• 12:10
  Be transparent.
• 12:11
  It really is.
• 12:12
  The most important thing to be authentic about it.
• 12:14
  'cause like when you try to lie or hide or like just you try to just , not
• 12:18
  take accountability for the mistakes you've made, that's when things get
• 12:22
  very twisted and you're like clinging onto an image that is not real anymore.
• 12:27
  So I, I always encourage creators to just be as authentic as possible.
• 12:30
  If you make a mistake, own up to it.
• 12:32
  I know the comments can, can be harsh, but like, ah.
• 12:36
  As, as you grow, you're gonna find like your community of people who
• 12:40
  absolutely resonate with you and appreciate your work, and I just
• 12:43
  try to focus on serving those people
• 12:47
  and yep.
• 12:48
  I think we should we, that's the keynote.
• 12:50
  We should just focus on.
• 12:53
  The people that we're serving, not the peanut gallery.
• 12:55
  Mm-hmm.
• 12:56
  The peanut gallery will always be there and the people we're
• 12:59
  serving will always surface.
• 13:00
  And so I think if content creators, and actually that doesn't just apply
• 13:05
  to content creators, it applies to women in day jobs who are trying
• 13:09
  to find your way in leadership.
• 13:11
  They'll always be someone who would have something to say.
• 13:14
  So I think that that's a very good thing to kind of.
• 13:18
  Anchor our hat to and, and hold too.
• 13:20
  Yeah.
• 13:21
  And I think also I, I see a lot of people like get scared of, disagreements,
• 13:26
  but it's okay for people to disagree.
• 13:29
  It's just are they doing it respectfully.
• 13:31
  So I think there's a big difference between people agreeing with you.
• 13:34
  Versus disagreeing with you thoughtfully versus toxicity?
• 13:38
  Yes.
• 13:38
  Like just straight up, like attacking you personally or just being mean personally.
• 13:43
  But I love, videos and posts that get natural disagreement because
• 13:47
  then you can see different sides of how people are thinking.
• 13:50
  Uh, for example, one post that went viral was about using, AI chat GPT for therapy.
• 13:55
  And there are very heated arguments on both sides, stories on both.
• 13:59
  Sides perspectives from people who work in healthcare.
• 14:02
  And that's fascinating to me.
• 14:04
  And I love that people can just share different perspectives in a
• 14:07
  way that's thoughtful and elevate everyone's awareness of the problem.
• 14:12
  Right?
• 14:12
  And so that stuff I love, it's, it's the toxicity.
• 14:16
  Kind of comments that I think people are overly concerned about, but that's a
• 14:19
  very, very tiny percentage of the comments that you're going to get on social media.
• 14:24
  So I would say like, don't be afraid of like disagreement and, and in
• 14:27
  fact, it's a good thing if you're stimulating that kind of discussion
• 14:31
  online, on social media, like it.
• 14:33
  Much more useful than making like another entertaining cat video,
• 14:36
  although I love cat videos as well.
• 14:38
  But there are certain topics in AI where I do feel like as a society, collectively,
• 14:43
  we should be discussing the pros and cons more so that we can have a voice and
• 14:47
  like, how do we shape these guidelines?
• 14:49
  How do we shape these technologies moving forward?
• 14:52
  Absolutely.
• 14:53
  And I think, yeah, that's something that we need to do, especially that part about
• 14:56
  shaping those technologies going forward.
• 14:58
  And I think we definitely need more women in the room to make sure
• 15:01
  those technologies are being shaped in a way that is good for us all.
• 15:06
  And so let's move on because we're talking about the show being in her own name
• 15:11
  and we're talking about how we read.
• 15:13
  Redefine power for ourselves as women, as leaders, as individuals.
• 15:18
  So how have you rede, redefine what power looks like for you
• 15:22
  in your life or leadership?
• 15:25
  I think before I started creating content, my conception of power was like,
• 15:31
  who accomplished the most, basically, who had the most impressive resume,
• 15:37
  and that's.
• 15:37
  Probably been brainwashed into me ever since school, to be honest.
• 15:41
  Yeah.
• 15:41
  Like that.
• 15:41
  Get good grades, go to a nice school major in something, well get a nice job.
• 15:46
  It's like check, check, check, check boxes, resume.
• 15:49
  That was my conception of like power and success.
• 15:52
  Right.
• 15:52
  This will sound cheesy, but af now that I'm a creator, I really
• 15:56
  see the value of authenticity.
• 15:57
  I know that word gets thrown around a lot and what does it mean?
• 16:01
  It means like you are aligned with your purpose in life and what you're
• 16:05
  spending time on and you're not hiding.
• 16:09
  Key parts of yourself.
• 16:10
  I'm not saying show everything, to social media, like maybe don't
• 16:13
  show your family if you don't wanna cross that line, but like what?
• 16:17
  Like these things need to be aligned, like your public face, what you really
• 16:21
  think, what you're actually saying, and you know where you're spending your time.
• 16:25
  Is it in something that Reenerg energizes you and has.
• 16:27
  Purpose.
• 16:28
  'Cause if not that's when you get to kind of like the burnout
• 16:31
  that I was talking about earlier.
• 16:32
  And that misalignment I think, causes a lot of anxiety and stress because you
• 16:38
  feel something is not quite, resonating in your life, but you can't pinpoint it.
• 16:42
  So it's like a slow burn until one day you're like, how did I get here?
• 16:48
  And why am I not doing the.
• 16:49
  Things I want to be doing at this age, for example, that's a common
• 16:53
  retrain I hear from women especially.
• 16:55
  So to me, yeah, my definition of power is, has shifted a lot to mean like
• 17:00
  personal power and alignment of like all the major things in your life.
• 17:04
  Because I think when the everything's aligned, like life
• 17:07
  is, you have so much more energy.
• 17:09
  You feel the passion and purpose naturally.
• 17:11
  It's not a forced.
• 17:12
  Thing that you have to meditate on in the morning.
• 17:14
  Like it's just, you enjoy the things you're doing, the people you're
• 17:18
  spending time with, and the impact you're having on other people's lives.
• 17:23
  That's a good way to look at power.
• 17:24
  And that's a great way to look at power and it's a great shift from, like
• 17:28
  you said, the check boxes to, are you living the life that you're proud of?
• 17:32
  Are you living the life that your 6-year-old version of you
• 17:35
  like, oh my God, you are amazing.
• 17:37
  Are you doing that?
• 17:38
  And are you making the world slightly better?
• 17:42
  And I think that is actually a good way to redefine that.
• 17:45
  So we're gonna move on and going back to the fact that we're talking about the
• 17:48
  show and we're saying it in her own name.
• 17:50
  What we have here is this idea that we get to choose how we live, how we
• 17:55
  lead, how we speak, how we show up, how we even own the stories we tell.
• 18:00
  So let me ask you, can you describe a moment in your journey where you felt.
• 18:03
  Most fully in your own name, fully seen, fully you and how that changed everything.
• 18:10
  And I'm gonna preface it because people, let me go again.
• 18:14
  This is a woman who is teaching people every day about ai.
• 18:18
  She is on all the platforms.
• 18:20
  You will find her on Instagram treads, you will find her everywhere.
• 18:24
  And I literally, I'm following her everywhere.
• 18:27
  So you were everywhere, but for you, when was that time that you
• 18:31
  actually felt fully seen for yourself?
• 18:35
  Ooh,
• 18:35
  that's a tough one.
• 18:36
  I think like my weekly office hours with my potato community is probably one of
• 18:41
  those times because I get to just like, answer people's real-time questions
• 18:46
  and like show my expertise, but also say when I don't know things right.
• 18:51
  I think it's very powerful for people to see that side of me
• 18:53
  where it's like on one hand I can.
• 18:55
  Try to debug your workflow automation in real time and give
• 18:58
  you advice on X, Y, and Z topics.
• 19:00
  But at the same time, if I'm running into an area I don't know much
• 19:03
  about, then I just openly admit it.
• 19:05
  'Cause I think on TikTok and the other platforms, because
• 19:07
  of the time constraint, it's.
• 19:09
  It's so hard to like convey everything in 45 seconds that I wanna say.
• 19:13
  Mm-hmm.
• 19:13
  Oftentimes I'll ramble for like three minutes and then cut out a lot.
• 19:17
  So there's still like different dimensions of my message that are not spoken.
• 19:23
  Whereas in that community setting it's a bit more intimate, like
• 19:26
  50 to a hundred folks and many of the people know each other now.
• 19:30
  And like I.
• 19:30
  Feel like I can just be more myself and it's okay if I ramble for three minutes,
• 19:36
  you know, that I don't have to edit those parts out for the sake of going
• 19:40
  viral on TikTok or anything like that.
• 19:42
  And so that's probably like the time.
• 19:43
  I look forward to a lot every single week, just connecting with people what
• 19:47
  they're doing and hoping I can help them with some of their challenges.
• 19:51
  Awesome.
• 19:52
  I love that.
• 19:52
  And I've been threatened to come to the office hours.
• 19:55
  It's just the time has never actually worked just because
• 19:58
  other things are going on.
• 19:59
  But I will make it to an office hour and hang out with you
• 20:02
  because I think you're amazing.
• 20:03
  So let's kind of, I know I can't keep you for long.
• 20:07
  I will want to talk to you for hours and hours, but I can't keep you for long.
• 20:10
  So here's what we're gonna ask.
• 20:12
  What does Joy look like for you now and how has that evolved?
• 20:17
  I think I, it's so cheesy when I say this, but it comes from community
• 20:22
  now, which I never thought was a tangible thing to be honest with you.
• 20:27
  Like my first startup, curious, we didn't have any like kind of community
• 20:31
  around the company and, in San Francisco, like in our neighborhood, there wasn't
• 20:35
  like a sense of community either.
• 20:38
  Mm-hmm.
• 20:38
  Like where I lived.
• 20:39
  And like, that's completely changed for me now, being on social media,
• 20:43
  it's super weird, but I feel community and connectedness with so
• 20:46
  many people I've never met before.
• 20:48
  You know, I read messages, we DM each other and we're both trying to learn
• 20:52
  something and we share tips and like there is very much that sense of.
• 20:56
  Community and serving that community, which is where I draw
• 21:00
  my energy and joy from nowadays.
• 21:02
  , And so it's radically changed a lot.
• 21:04
  Like I would say before, it was just from like achieving success.
• 21:07
  Like, oh, I achieved this check again, checkbox concept resume, add another line
• 21:12
  item to the resume, and now it's like.
• 21:15
  My kind of my favorite part of the day is just like I wake up open emails and
• 21:18
  I'll see emails from people sharing how my education has impacted their life.
• 21:23
  For example, if they're like, I never, I thought I was too old to
• 21:25
  get into AI and learn this stuff.
• 21:27
  You've made it so accessible and I enjoy using Chacha BT every day.
• 21:30
  Sure.
• 21:31
  Um, or I made a really big career decision, career transition, using your,
• 21:35
  your education to guide me along the way, and it's made this impact in my life.
• 21:39
  And so I just those are the things I, I live for now that's my source of joy.
• 21:45
  I do love that.
• 21:46
  And.
• 21:48
  I can see that that will be so rewarding, and that would actually
• 21:52
  be a great thing to wake up to, to just see how you're impacting people.
• 21:57
  Let me put it this way, your post today, and I saw it on Instagram where you talked
• 22:01
  about the three ways that people can make over 10,000 pounds, a sorry, $10,000 a
• 22:07
  month, and you broke it down in three ways from starting a community for parents, so
• 22:13
  their kids can learn ai, start using ai.
• 22:17
  Going into small businesses to actually educate them on how to
• 22:21
  use chat GPT in their business for their particular use cases.
• 22:25
  And the other one was, helping people to vibe code so that
• 22:28
  they can create their own apps.
• 22:30
  And I was like, let me take notes.
• 22:32
  Just know,
• 22:36
  so I'm taking notes and, and everything.
• 22:38
  So, and, and you make it sound so simple and easy that.
• 22:43
  It's like, okay, let's, let's try this.
• 22:45
  Let's try one of them.
• 22:47
  And that's the thing.
• 22:47
  And I think just, yeah, it, I just want to, I just want you to know that
• 22:52
  that is just really amazing and I love that that is now part of your joy now.
• 22:57
  We're gonna talk about this question where we're looking at how the world
• 23:01
  tends to talk to women, sometimes talk at us most of the time, that sometimes
• 23:07
  trying to edit, erase, or fit us into a box that sounds a particular way.
• 23:12
  How do you stay rooted in your truth, in truth for you?
• 23:18
  Yeah, and you know, the, I see the larger problem here.
• 23:23
  It goes back to like lack of role models and examples.
• 23:26
  Like when I started making TikTok, there weren't many women who looked
• 23:29
  like me trying to teach these things.
• 23:32
  There's more now, but like not many by any stretch.
• 23:36
  And so it, it is.
• 23:37
  Difficult.
• 23:38
  'cause I hear from a lot of women who I know are super talented, but they
• 23:41
  don't wanna put themselves out there on social media because they're, they
• 23:44
  don't want to deal with like, the toxicity and backlash and being spoken
• 23:48
  to in a condescending way and having to like always justify their background
• 23:52
  and their abilities and credentials.
• 23:54
  And I, I get that, but without more role models, this problem
• 23:59
  just gets worse over time.
• 24:00
  Yeah, because what's happening with AI is it's.
• 24:02
  Going to continue amplifying existing voices and without new voices from
• 24:07
  folks of colour, like, you know, it's only going to make the problem worse
• 24:11
  in terms of how I kind of deal with it.
• 24:14
  I do take a, like a kind of check-in once a week when I make content and I'm like.
• 24:18
  How do I feel about the content I made last week?
• 24:20
  Right?, 'Cause if I'm making content that just doesn't feel good for me, for
• 24:24
  whatever reason, for example, for a week, I tried making content about some of the
• 24:28
  negative things around ai, like impacting the environment obviously is one of them.
• 24:32
  Being trained on copyrighted work is another one.
• 24:35
  And it,, I wanted to showcase a balanced perspective, but it also didn't feel good
• 24:41
  like trying to, put so much emphasis on the negative instead of the positive.
• 24:46
  , Here's what you can do with it positively to impact your personal and work life.
• 24:49
  And that equation looks a little bit different for everyone, but just, I'm
• 24:53
  saying for me, I felt a lot better when I was talking more about here's how it
• 24:57
  can enable you and empower you instead of being like, here's all the negative.
• 25:01
  Things that it's currently doing.
• 25:03
  And but that's a personal choice and I think you have to reflect
• 25:06
  on that on a regular basis.
• 25:07
  Like, is your content going in a direction that is, that doesn't feel good to you,
• 25:11
  but you're just doing it for clicks?
• 25:13
  'Cause that's a common trap.
• 25:14
  Creators will fall into, they'll notice a certain type of hook.
• 25:17
  Works really well.
• 25:18
  Usually it's negative and controversial, newsflash, um, because people latch
• 25:24
  onto that and that's why yeah.
• 25:25
  Goes viral.
• 25:26
  But you'll, you'll, you might realize like that's not the type of content
• 25:30
  that you want to produce a lot of.
• 25:32
  Um, and that's a personal choice.
• 25:34
  You have to kind of make and just monitor as, as you go along in your journey.
• 25:39
  Okay.
• 25:40
  And that's a good point.
• 25:41
  You have to, you have to stick to what's true for you.
• 25:44
  Mm-hmm.
• 25:44
  So thank you for sharing that.
• 25:45
  So I wanna ask, um, looking at your journey so far, what would you whisper
• 25:51
  or shout to your 18-year-old self?
• 25:55
  Ooh, I, so my 18-year-old self, like.
• 26:00
  Ooh, that's a tough one.
• 26:01
  I was so obsessed with like the resume, so obsessed with like achievement.
• 26:06
  And then when I moved to San Francisco, like I was amazed by the tech, but it
• 26:11
  didn't feel like my reading, writing, and philosophy interests had a fit.
• 26:16
  So I always felt.
• 26:18
  Like not the right fit for Silicon Valley and like the very typical like
• 26:22
  super deeply technical type of person.
• 26:26
  And so that, that was hard for me to kind of accept, like I always tried to
• 26:31
  be something other than I was instead of just like leveraging the skills that.
• 26:36
  I'm so good at them and passionate about 'em.
• 26:38
  I don't consider them skills, I just consider them the things I do.
• 26:41
  I like to read, I like to write, I like to do those things.
• 26:45
  So I would probably advise my 18-year-old self a couple things,
• 26:48
  like stop trying to be someone else, like really double down on the things
• 26:53
  you actually enjoy, number one.
• 26:55
  Number two, I think at 18 I was pretty.
• 26:58
  Obsessed over like my appearance like many young women are.
• 27:01
  So even in college, I'd wear makeup, wear, dress, look a certain
• 27:05
  way, and that wasn't me either.
• 27:07
  So like, again, stop trying to be someone else to fit in.
• 27:11
  To gain more power because you get more attention when you look a certain way.
• 27:16
  And probably the third thing I'd advise at 18, it's you're so young, like
• 27:20
  it's not like your life is over at 30.
• 27:23
  Like I hear that commonly amongst women.
• 27:25
  In my generation, I'm a millennial, it's like, oh, I
• 27:28
  didn't accomplish like financial independence by 30, I'm off track.
• 27:32
  I'm like, uh, I was like, who put that standard?
• 27:35
  There is another thing I'd question.
• 27:38
  Um, like where did these goals come from?
• 27:41
  When I talk about like, resume building, where did that come from?
• 27:44
  Like, um, so those are kind of, that's before, um, mind blowing
• 27:48
  my 18-year-old self with too much.
• 27:50
  Those are probably the three things I'd focus on.
• 27:54
  I think those are really good things, and I think even your, you know, the
• 27:57
  18-year-old, the 20-year-old, the 30-year-old, and the 40-year-old,
• 28:01
  because that whole concept, that that piece, you say where, oh my God, I'm 30.
• 28:06
  I haven't done X, Y, Z, my life is over.
• 28:09
  And it's like.
• 28:10
  Oh, Jesus and all.
• 28:12
  You have the, oh, Forbes 30 under 30 Forbes.
• 28:16
  This, and I'm like, most of the people who were great didn't start
• 28:19
  doing their great things until some of them were in their fifties, in
• 28:23
  their sixties, and I can't remember.
• 28:25
  He's a painter.
• 28:26
  He started painting when he was 78 and had his first gallery,
• 28:31
  um, show in when he was 80.
• 28:34
  Wow.
• 28:35
  So I think giving ourselves that room to kind of breathe and relax
• 28:40
  is gonna be so, we will make our world a little bit better.
• 28:43
  So Sabrina, I wanna say thank you so much for being on the show
• 28:48
  and sharing your trip with us and sharing your journey with us.
• 28:52
  Thank you so much for having me.
• 28:54
  Yeah, you're welcome.
• 28:55
  You're welcome guys.
• 28:56
  We're gonna be coming back with another interview, so if you wanna
• 28:59
  find out more about Sabrina and her work, she is all over socials.
• 29:04
  Don't worry, I'll.
• 29:06
  Put a list of all her socials where you can find her.
• 29:08
  If you wanna find out about potato, I'll put the link to potato as well.
• 29:13
  So, Sabrina, um, if there's anything that you would like the crew to
• 29:16
  know about, about joining, what it does for them very quickly before
• 29:20
  we wrap up, that will be perfect.
• 29:22
  Yeah, so basically it's a tool I built for myself to scale my education
• 29:26
  and my voice across social media.
• 29:28
  So if you are creating content or running a business and you'd like more awareness
• 29:32
  around what you're doing, definitely check out Blotato I built it to kind
• 29:36
  of be an all-in-one tool so you don't have to pay for 10 other subscriptions
• 29:40
  to help you create amazing content.
• 29:43
  Okay, so guys, you have the link to Blotato You have the link to find,
• 29:47
  Sabrina and I will say use her content.
• 29:50
  She tells us all the time, use my content, use, use the content because
• 29:55
  it's gonna help you just shortcut your knowledge so that you can actually use
• 30:00
  these AI tools in the best way possible.
• 30:03
  So again, Sabrina, thank you for sharing your knowledge, not just here
• 30:06
  on the show, but generally, and thank you for being in the show again.
• 30:10
  Yeah, thanks so much for having me.
• 30:12
  Okay.
• 30:12
  All