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'HEARTTHROB PRIEST' Defrocked After Fleeing to Italy w/ Teen Girl he 'GROOMED' · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a thirty year old Catholic
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Speaker 1: priest counsels a teen girl and he ends up fleeing
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Speaker 1: to Italy with the girl to marry her against her parents' wishes.
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Speaker 1: In the last hours, even though cops haven't been able
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Speaker 1: to stop him, the Pope weighs in, I'm Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thanks for being with us here
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Speaker 1: at Crime Stories and on series x SEM one eleven.
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Speaker 1: As you will recall, Alex Crowe, the thirty year old priest,
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Speaker 1: fled the country last summer for Italy with a teen
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Speaker 1: girl when the pairs romance was revealed. Cops travel all
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Speaker 1: the way from Mobile, Alabama to Italy to try to
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Speaker 1: bring the girl home. Did at work, but in the
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Speaker 1: last hours, Pope Francis at the Vatican has stripped the
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Speaker 1: thirty year old priest of his priestly duties. Can the Pope.
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Speaker 2: Convince him he's wrong?
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Speaker 1: As you will recall, the priest met his teen now
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Speaker 1: wife when she was in high school at mcgiltoo and
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Speaker 1: High in Mobile, Alabama, where he frequently visited to give
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Speaker 1: guest lectures to the students. Now, how did that turn
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Speaker 1: into Valentine's love? Letters, and how did that turn into
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Speaker 1: basically a kidnap of a teen girl taking her across
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Speaker 1: the ocean to Italy. Well, this is how it all
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Speaker 1: went down. Described as a so called heart throb, what
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Speaker 1: does that mean?
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Speaker 2: A heart throb?
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Speaker 1: Now, I've heard that phrase in the past, as it
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Speaker 1: has referred to movie stars and matinee idols, but I've
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Speaker 1: never heard it applied to a priest. I don't think
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Speaker 1: of a priest as a heart braub.
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Speaker 2: Now. I'm just a peace loving Methodist.
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Speaker 1: But I look at our preachers, our lady preachers, our
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Speaker 1: male preachers, as kind of like a spiritual father or mother,
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Speaker 1: or sister or brother. I don't really think of them
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Speaker 1: as a heart throb. Now that's a whole psychopathy in itself.
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Speaker 1: But let's just get down to this case, and let's
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Speaker 1: start with our friends in WPMI listen.
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Speaker 3: Crowe short stint with the Catholic Church has gone from
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Speaker 3: interesting to possibly criminal. According to the District Attorney's office,
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Speaker 3: the priest and a recent female graduate of Mobile's Miguiltulan
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Speaker 3: High School took a trip together outside of the country.
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Speaker 3: In a bombshell statement, Archbishop Rody left no one guessing
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Speaker 3: that he has lost faith in his young servant father
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Speaker 3: Alex Crowe abandoned his assignment in the archdiocese, says Rody,
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Speaker 3: his behavior is totally I'm becoming of a priest.
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Speaker 1: I'm becoming I may have another word for it, but
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Speaker 1: I've got to find out more facts. Joining me in
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Speaker 1: All Star panel, But first I'm going to go to
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Speaker 1: Kyle Hamrick, reporter for the lan Yap News Mobile Alabama.
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Speaker 2: Kyle, thank you for being with us. Now listen.
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Speaker 1: I know the girl has just turned eighteen, but from
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Speaker 1: what I can understand, his so called grooming of her
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Speaker 1: started when she was much younger. Just where is he
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Speaker 1: right now? And is the girl with him?
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Speaker 4: From what I understand from what sources have told me,
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Speaker 4: Crowe and the young woman who recently graduated from high
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Speaker 4: school are.
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Speaker 2: In Italy, Oh, Dear Lord in Heaven.
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Speaker 4: Not exactly sure sure where, but that is where they
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Speaker 4: are now. And sources have also told me that they
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Speaker 4: think this relationship might have started before she graduated hot
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Speaker 4: high school.
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Speaker 2: And I don't like it. I don't like it one bit.
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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, take a listen now to
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Speaker 1: our friends at Fox ten.
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Speaker 5: Investigators found a love letter the priest wrote the teen
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Speaker 5: on Valentine's Day this year while she was still a
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Speaker 5: high school student.
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Speaker 6: That really changed our perspective on how we're looking at
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Speaker 6: the case.
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Speaker 5: Mobile County Sheriff Paul Birch is talking about a love
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Speaker 5: letter between defroct priest Alex Crowe and a former mcguiltool
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Speaker 5: and high school student that his investigators have uncovered.
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Speaker 6: Clearly there was some kind of relationship other than a
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Speaker 6: priest and a student.
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Speaker 1: Let me understand this a love letter written by the
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Speaker 1: priest to a teen girl on Valentine's Day while she's
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Speaker 1: still a high school student.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's just get right down to it.
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Speaker 1: Anna Sonoda joining me, Child grooming expert, clinical social worker,
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Speaker 1: author of Duck Duck Groom Understanding how a child becomes
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Speaker 1: a target and you can find her at Annasanoda dot com. Anna, listen,
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Speaker 1: It's bad enough when an adult grooms a child for
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Speaker 1: illicit purposes, But in my mind, it's even worse when
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Speaker 1: a pastor, a preacher, a church worker.
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Speaker 2: Grooms the child.
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Speaker 1: It's bad enough when a school teacher or a principal
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Speaker 1: grooms a child for illicit reasons. What is a priest
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Speaker 1: doing writing a love letter on Valentine's Day to a
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Speaker 1: little girl in high school.
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Speaker 2: I tell you what you know I have, Steve.
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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen those cartoons when the character gets
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Speaker 1: mad and esteem comes out of their ears. That's how
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Speaker 1: I feel right now because I'm thinking about my children, John,
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Speaker 1: David and Lucy. If I got a hold of a
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Speaker 1: letter by a pastor, a love letter to them while
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Speaker 1: they're in a high school. Oh, helno, Nancy.
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Speaker 7: This is an sample of how sexual predators when their
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Speaker 7: groom and kids are going to do one of two things.
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Speaker 7: They're either going to relate or they're going to elevate.
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Speaker 7: So when I say relate, I mean they're going to act.
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Speaker 2: Like a kid.
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Speaker 7: They're going to believe that they're a peer of that child,
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Speaker 7: or they're going to elevate, which means they're going to
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Speaker 7: treat that kid like they're more mature, possibly like an
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Speaker 7: equal adult. And in this case, the love letter is
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Speaker 7: certainly an example of him trying to relate as a
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Speaker 7: romantic interest to.
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Speaker 1: Her, just trying to take this all in. You know,
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Speaker 1: I want you to take a look at him. He's
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Speaker 1: been called a so called heart throb. Heart throb joining
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Speaker 1: us right now is a special guest, Sheriff Paul Birch,
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Speaker 1: the Mobile, Alabama Sheriff. I want to thank you so much,
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Speaker 1: Sheriff for being with us. Your neck of the woods
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Speaker 1: is especially dear to me. My father was from hey Coda, Alabama,
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Speaker 1: which is near Enterprise, which is near at which is
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Speaker 1: near Mobile. That's how I have to explain to everybody,
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Speaker 1: So thank you s first for being with us. What
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Speaker 1: in the hey is going on? How does a Catholic
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Speaker 1: priest start sending love letters to a girl in high school?
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Speaker 1: This girl is only about one year older than the twins,
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Speaker 1: aren't right now? Can you even imagine, of all people,
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Speaker 1: a Catholic priest writing love letters to a little girl.
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Speaker 6: It's, you know, a somewhat of a bizarre situation. And
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Speaker 6: what we've learned is that, you know, she's not the
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Speaker 6: only girl. He's groomed a couple of young girls.
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Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute, my head is spinning like in
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Speaker 1: the Exorcist. I guess that's appropriate for right now. So
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Speaker 1: this is not the love of his life that he
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Speaker 1: has happened to found. He's grooming other girls at the
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Speaker 1: same time.
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Speaker 6: Well, this is the latest. You know, there was a
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Speaker 6: young girl that he was previously, you know, acting in
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Speaker 6: appropriately with and he was ordered to stay away from her.
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Speaker 6: And she's trying to get her to come on board,
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Speaker 6: but it's not actly cooperating at the moment.
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Speaker 2: Let me guess she thinks she's.
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Speaker 6: In love this particular one does. Yes, And we referred
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Speaker 6: to her as the eighteen year old because all these
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Speaker 6: acts occurred when she's a juvenile or the what we're
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Speaker 6: going back and looking at, so we're not going to
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Speaker 6: name her as of yet.
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Speaker 1: Now you're talking about the current girl in Italy, we're
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Speaker 1: referring to her as the eighteen year old. Okay, the
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Speaker 1: previous girl was she also a minor?
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Speaker 6: She was actually the two are best friends and went
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Speaker 6: to the same school, same grade.
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Speaker 2: I'm so mad. I could she and nail In have
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Speaker 2: right now? Sheriff.
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Speaker 1: Now, Sheriff, let me understand something. The so called love
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Speaker 1: letters and the so called inappropriate behavior, is it of
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Speaker 1: a sexual nature?
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Speaker 6: We believe it is. I will say the letter, and
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Speaker 6: you know, I want to clarify we've only seen one.
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Speaker 6: The letter. Basically, he's expressing his feelings for the eighteen
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Speaker 6: year old in this letter and it's worded in a
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Speaker 6: romantic way, but different people starting to come forward telling
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Speaker 6: us some things that they didn't necessarily think a lot
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Speaker 6: of at the time. But now you know, pieces of
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Speaker 6: the puzzle being put together.
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Speaker 2: Like what we do know.
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Speaker 6: That there was a school trip and allegedly she was
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Speaker 6: seen coming from his hotel room at one thirty in
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Speaker 6: the morning and by others that were on the trip,
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Speaker 6: and we're trying to nail that down and get specifics
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Speaker 6: on that. Again, her coming to that room. You can't
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Speaker 6: prove what happened behind the closed doors, but certainly a
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Speaker 6: young girl who would have been seventeen at the time,
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Speaker 6: coming out of males adults because he's thirty years old
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Speaker 6: coming out of the hotel room is certainly something to
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Speaker 6: inquire about.
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Speaker 1: You know what, you just hit me with a bombshell
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Speaker 1: one thirty am in the morning, sheriff. Again, you're absolutely right.
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Speaker 1: If I were prosecuting this case, I would have to
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Speaker 1: have more I can't tell a jory what do you
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Speaker 1: think happened in there? Well, uh no, that's not going
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Speaker 1: to cut it. You got to have more evidence. How
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Speaker 1: are you going to get it? I don't know that yet.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Greece in the last days, an
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Speaker 1: ordained priest has been stripped of his priestly duties by
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Speaker 1: the Pope. Although the Mobile County sheriffs tried their best,
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Speaker 1: they could not convince the priest to release his teen
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Speaker 1: home wife. And I said that in quotes. To top
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Speaker 1: it all off, we find out this so called priest
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Speaker 1: who fled to Europe with his teen lover had a
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Speaker 1: long fascination with imanology. What now, According to what we're
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Speaker 1: learning now, this priest seemingly married the teen girl according
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Speaker 1: to a notarized Alabama marriage certificate from the judge at
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Speaker 1: the Probates office that we got our mits on. But
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Speaker 1: what does that mean to any criminal charges? In the
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Speaker 1: last hours, however, the Pope weighs in, now, how did
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Speaker 1: the whole thing happen? Greg Algrin is with me, international
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Speaker 1: attorney at the USMX Law Group. You know, Greg, the people,
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Speaker 1: the families of these girls have to be standing on
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Speaker 1: their heads right now. And you've got the one girl
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Speaker 1: who has turned eighteen in the interim with the priest
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Speaker 1: in Italy. I mean, proving a case like this is
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Speaker 1: going to be very difficult unless you can get one
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Speaker 1: of the girls to edit met what happened.
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Speaker 2: That's the only way.
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Speaker 8: I agree with other victims participation be impossible to get
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Speaker 8: an attraction on making a successful prosecution, So that would
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Speaker 8: be key doing the participation of the girls who are
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Speaker 8: part of the.
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Speaker 1: Scheme unless there's something in those letters or other letters
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Speaker 1: that could prove something of sexual nature has occurred with
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Speaker 1: the girls and can I just be very very blunt
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Speaker 1: to John Delatory, licensed psychologist and mediator who specializes in
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Speaker 1: forensic psychology. You can find them at resolution fcs dot
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Speaker 1: com Doctor Delatory listen. I've prosecuted so many statutory rate
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Speaker 1: cases where the victim is a teen girl underage who
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Speaker 1: by all other account other analysis would have quote consented,
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Speaker 1: but under age, the child cannot consent. Just like a
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Speaker 1: child cannot buy a car. My children who are sixteen
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Speaker 1: cannot go buy a car. They can't buy a house,
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Speaker 1: they can't enter into contracts, they can't buy liquor or cigarettes.
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Speaker 1: I pray to God in heaven because they do not
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Speaker 1: have legal capacity to enter into a contract or have sex.
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Speaker 1: But when you hear a quote love letter, as Sheriff
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Speaker 1: Paul Birch has described from a thirty year old priest
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Speaker 1: to a teen girl underage. That's oh, I'm so in
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Speaker 1: love with you. Translation, I want to get in your pants.
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Speaker 1: That's what that means. Well, let me that is this
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Speaker 1: shaff birch or delatory speaking. It's share Paul Burke, Go ahead,
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Speaker 1: go ahead, shariff.
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Speaker 6: I want to clarify. In Alabama, the legal age of
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Speaker 6: consent is sixteen. But the law that we're pursuing this
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Speaker 6: case under, a teacher, employee of a school, volunteer of
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Speaker 6: a school, counselor cannot have a social relationship with a
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Speaker 6: student regardless of age. She could have been twenty and
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Speaker 6: it would still be illegal.
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Speaker 1: So they're in a fiduciary position like a counselor a teacher,
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Speaker 1: a priest, where you owe a certain degree of let
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Speaker 1: me just say care to the victim, unlike a stranger.
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Speaker 2: Got it, Got it okay.
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Speaker 1: But I wouldn't be surprised if some of these letters
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Speaker 1: pre date all the way back to age sixteen. I
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Speaker 1: don't know that yet, but something had to lead up
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Speaker 1: to the letter, Sheriff.
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Speaker 2: The letter just didn't happen overnight.
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Speaker 6: We're still waiting on text, and we're still waiting all
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Speaker 6: the information from her phone, from his phones. You know,
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Speaker 6: obviously subpoenas have been sent out. We're just waiting on
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Speaker 6: that information and come back.
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Speaker 2: Back to you. Dotter John Delatory, licensed psychologist.
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Speaker 1: All the flowery language this priest may have written in
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Speaker 1: these letters, it all means the same thing. He is
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Speaker 1: involved in some type of an inappropriate, if not sexual
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Speaker 1: nature with a teen girl.
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Speaker 2: Bam, Yeah, it absolutely means that.
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Speaker 9: But here's the other aspect to it is that not
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Speaker 9: only is there flowery aspects related to whatever content might
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Speaker 9: be in these love layers, but he's also weaponizing this
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Speaker 9: sort of tortured soul that he is interested in demonology
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Speaker 9: and exorcism, Right, all these kinds of things sort of
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Speaker 9: present himself and portray himself in a way in which
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Speaker 9: he is sort of this one person against evil that
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Speaker 9: can now draw from the goodness and purity of these
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Speaker 9: teen girls and draw from.
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Speaker 10: Them so that he can now have their strength.
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Speaker 9: And I imagine that that's how he's approaching.
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Speaker 1: To Anna Sonoa again, child grooming expert and author of
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Speaker 1: Duck Groom. Anna, what is more attractive to a person
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Speaker 1: much less a teen girl than they love object? They
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Speaker 1: can't have the proverbial apple in the garden of Eden
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Speaker 1: the grass greener. On the other side, the thing you
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Speaker 1: can't have turns out to be the thing you suddenly
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Speaker 1: really you.
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Speaker 7: Want the most priest, this case is disgusting, Nancy, and
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Speaker 7: I want to clarify that this occurs in all denominations.
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Speaker 7: This is a persistent problem whenever you have adults and
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Speaker 7: miners coexisting and grooming is a perverse form of courtship
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Speaker 7: and it's fueled sexual predators are fueled by gas, grooming,
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Speaker 7: access and space. So you have already seen examples of
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Speaker 7: him using grooming techniques by complementing, giving favors and building
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Speaker 7: in this childish sense of connection. But we also have
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Speaker 7: just learned that he had access and he had available spaces,
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Speaker 7: and if grooming is going to continue, we must withhold
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Speaker 7: access and limit any available spaces.
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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting, everybody wanting to hear this. When
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Speaker 1: my twins first went to Scout camp, I immediately thought, oh,
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Speaker 1: dear molestation murder. I have to train as a volunteer
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Speaker 1: and I have to go camp with and which I
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Speaker 1: made my husband do as well for a week laying
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Speaker 1: on the ground, camping out. So as it turned out,
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Speaker 1: they loved it and it was a wonderful experience for them.
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Speaker 1: But my point is, so I was a volunteer counselor
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Speaker 1: and there was a little boy from another troop I
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Speaker 1: didn't know him, who was standing in the middle of
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Speaker 1: a dirt road crying his eyes out, crying snotting, I mean,
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Speaker 1: wailing likeoo. And I went up. He could not have
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Speaker 1: been older than, you know, seventh grade, and he was
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Speaker 1: a frill small little boy. And I went up to him.
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Speaker 1: I hugged him, and I said, what is wrong, sud
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Speaker 1: Do you need to get in touch with your parents?
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Speaker 2: What happened?
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Speaker 1: I mean, in fifteen seconds, another troop leader came up,
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Speaker 1: took me by the arm and pulled me back and said,
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Speaker 1: don't touch him. You can help him, but don't hug him.
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Speaker 1: And in that moment I felt angry because this child
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Speaker 1: was crying. All it was was he was homesick, by
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Speaker 1: the way, he had never been away from home before,
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Speaker 1: and he wanted to go home.
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Speaker 2: But they were right, they were right, and I was wrong.
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Speaker 1: So as she Anna Sonota was just describing, we were
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Speaker 1: out and a whole group of people in the literally
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Speaker 1: the middle of the road, but giving access alone time
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Speaker 1: to an adult and a child I hate that's the
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Speaker 1: way the world is, but it is that should not
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Speaker 1: be allowed. I want to talk about this guy's obsession
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Speaker 1: with demonology. Then there is the other aspect, and that
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Speaker 1: is this so called father, the priest's obsession with exorcism
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Speaker 1: and demonology, and he's in Italy with this girl, this us,
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Speaker 1: this American girl. Take a listen to our friends at
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Speaker 1: wpm I.
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Speaker 3: They're afraid something is going to happen to their daughter.
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Speaker 3: Hernandez told NBC fifteen News she is with someone who
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Speaker 3: the sheriff's office considers a predator. While Mobile County Sheriff
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Speaker 3: Paul Birch hasn't used that exact word to describe Crow,
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Speaker 3: he came close.
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Speaker 6: I believe there was some grooming that's gone on, and
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Speaker 6: you've got a much older adult interacting with teenage girls
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Speaker 6: in an inappropriate way.
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Speaker 3: Adding to the concern is the acknowledgment by Sheriff Birch
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Speaker 3: that Crow has shown a fascination with demonology and exorcisms
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Speaker 3: and told people he was going to Europe with the
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Speaker 3: young woman to perform exorcisms.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let that sink in. Why do you have to
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Speaker 1: take a teen girl with you to Europe? To perform exorcisms.
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Speaker 1: The Pope in Vatican City weighs in on an Alabama
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Speaker 1: prieze who take us off with a teen girl seemingly
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Speaker 1: marrying her. Now, the Mobile County District Attorney's office explains
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Speaker 1: that they have interviewed thirty witnesses, received thousands of pages
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Speaker 1: of documents lighted by the archdiocese, but they have actually
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Speaker 1: spoken to the teen girl to determine what happened. They
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Speaker 1: say she appeared in good health and insisted she was safe.
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Speaker 1: The girl brought an attorney with her to the meeting,
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Speaker 1: and the attorney and the teen girl quote declined to
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Speaker 1: answer questions about the circumstances surrounding her disappearance or any
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Speaker 1: other questions.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: According to the archdiocese, quote, while Crowe's behavior has been scandalous,
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Speaker 1: the Archdiocese does not have any information to indicate Crowe
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Speaker 1: has committed a crime.
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Speaker 2: What more do we know?
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Speaker 1: Let me go straight out to Reverend doctor Bob Larson,
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Speaker 1: founder of Spiritual Freedom Church's International and author of book
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Speaker 1: of Religions, Cults, and New Age Spirituality. You can find
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Speaker 1: him at Bob Larson dot org.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for being with us. What exactly
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Speaker 2: is demonology.
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Speaker 9: Demonology is the study of Satan and evil and demas
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Speaker 9: in the spirit world. And there are two aspects to it.
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Speaker 9: One which is a homological aspect from non Christians or Satanists,
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Speaker 9: people who want to make that contact or power. On
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Speaker 9: the Christian side is the study of being able to
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Speaker 9: understand it in combat as through spiritual warfare. Now, I
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Speaker 9: agree with what has been said already, but I think
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Speaker 9: there may be a point being missed here. I would
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Speaker 9: down say that he as an obsession. I watched the
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Speaker 9: venueos as the teaching. This is a priest who had
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Speaker 9: been to the battle, and he had studied ex justism
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Speaker 9: earliest an exercist myself, and writing about this, he knew
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Speaker 9: what he was talking about. He was excellent in his teaching.
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Speaker 9: He was Christian, he was Catholic. Everything he said was
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Speaker 9: absolutely perfect. Now if you add to that a demand
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Speaker 9: advine and I suppose that now he is taking this
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Speaker 9: knowledge which he has, which there is nothing wrong with it,
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Speaker 9: but he's somehow using it to manipulate her. He now
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Speaker 9: has another tool over her in that now he is
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Speaker 9: a spiritual mentor trying to deliver her from able.
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Speaker 6: Now that is really.
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Speaker 1: Twisted what exactly takes place during an exorcism?
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Speaker 9: Well, there are according to Catholic tradition, there's the major,
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Speaker 9: the minor, and then the deliverous exorcism. And if he
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Speaker 9: could not do a major exorcism because he doesn't have
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Speaker 9: a bishop condoting it, obviously.
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Speaker 1: Okay, well White, White, I can't understand what you're saying.
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Speaker 1: What did you say he cannot perform an exorcism because
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Speaker 1: of what?
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Speaker 9: So in composism, they are basically tree levels of exorcisms.
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Speaker 9: The highest level is a major exorcism, which is what
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Speaker 9: we usually cannote with with what you see in the movies,
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Speaker 9: and that requires approval by the bishop whoever is presiding
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Speaker 9: over him his jurisdiction.
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Speaker 10: He can't just go do that on his own.
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Speaker 9: Now, a minor ansiorcism, of which baptism is included in
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Speaker 9: the Catholic Church, he can do that on his own.
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Speaker 9: But he can also do what's called a deliverance, which
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Speaker 9: basically any professing Christian according to Catholicism can do. It
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Speaker 9: just doesn't have the ritualism of the major exiorcism. My
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Speaker 9: point is he could say this girl has deemed this
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Speaker 9: or she's seduced him because she has deem this because
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Speaker 9: he's an expert in this area.
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Speaker 11: I think there's another spin to this that no one
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Speaker 11: has touched on. That is the fact that this priest
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Speaker 11: was an expert in the area as taught by the
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Speaker 11: Catholic Church. And I think there's the possibility that he's
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Speaker 11: using his extensive knowledge, which there's nothing wrong with. He's
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Speaker 11: been to the Vatican, he has learned it, he knows
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Speaker 11: what he's talking about. But if he's then uses as
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Speaker 11: an additional ploy this young woman saying that she has
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Speaker 11: demons and that he somehow is called by God to
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Speaker 11: rid her of her demons, then she could be highly manipulity.
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Speaker 11: But he could combine his own carnal interests with spiritualism,
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Speaker 11: and this would be a very dangerous mind trip to
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Speaker 11: put this young woman on.
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Speaker 1: I just want to point out that you said he's
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Speaker 1: not really authorized to perform higher levels of exorcism. FYI,
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Speaker 1: He's not authorized to send letters romantic letters to a
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Speaker 1: little girl and then take her with him to Italy.
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Speaker 2: To perform exorcisms.
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Speaker 1: So I'm pretty sure he's gone rogue and he's doing
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Speaker 1: whatever they hate he feels like doing.
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Speaker 2: Sheriff Paul Brish agree, disagree.
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Speaker 6: He's actually been you know, I guess man from or
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Speaker 6: fired from the Catholic Church here mobile and I'm sure
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Speaker 6: the horse Stosses are involved in that as well.
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Speaker 1: I just wonder or is the Italian government helping at all?
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Speaker 1: And I'm going to go to IRV Brandt, Senior Inspector
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Speaker 1: US Marshal Service with that. But first, speaking of this
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Speaker 1: whole exorcism and demonic obsession, I want you to take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our cuts three and one. First of all,
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Speaker 1: here Alex Crowe himself and our friends at crime Online.
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Speaker 6: Hello, my name is Alex Crowe.
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Speaker 12: I'm christianer of Saint Ignatius Pearish. I am going to
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Speaker 12: be a junior at Saint Joseph Abby Seminary College. When
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Speaker 12: I first came back to church about three years ago,
25:36
Speaker 12: the first book I ever read was The Way of Perfection.
25:39
Speaker 12: So I found that Carli's spirituality has put a large
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Speaker 12: part in my seminary formation.
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Speaker 13: Growing up in what he calls a weird home with
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Speaker 13: a lot of weird stuff happening in the home, Alex
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Speaker 13: Crowe says he would hear things moving around or banging
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Speaker 13: in different rooms and claims that over a period of
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Speaker 13: three to four years, he suffered from chest pains, migraine
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Speaker 13: like headaches, but a battery of medical tests, psychological tests,
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Speaker 13: and talking with specialists revealed nothing out of the ordinary.
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Speaker 13: According to ale dot Com, Crowe claimed in a podcast
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Speaker 13: that when he stepped into a church he felt as
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Speaker 13: if he would pass out. Crow said a priest performed
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Speaker 13: what he described as a minor exorcism or a deliverance
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Speaker 13: prayer on him. Alex Crowe said he felt immediately better
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Speaker 13: and that started a long process with quote me needing
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Speaker 13: deliverance from a priest unquote.
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Speaker 1: So this is a guy that has had an exorcism
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Speaker 1: done on himself, a mild exorcism. I'm not sure what
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Speaker 1: the various stages of exorcism are. We don't have exorcism
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Speaker 1: in the Methodist church, and I am by no means
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Speaker 1: poo pooing it. I don't know the difference between a
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Speaker 1: mild exorcism and a more severe exorcism. We heard doctor
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Speaker 1: Reverend Bob Larson described the most serious types of exorcisms,
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Speaker 1: the type you see on movies and on TV.
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Speaker 2: But that all aside.
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Speaker 1: I'm a trial lawyer, not a priest and certainly not
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Speaker 1: an expert in Catholicism. But I know this, Sheriff Paul Birch.
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Speaker 1: Somebody sending love letters to my teen girl. There's going
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Speaker 1: to be hell to pay much less when he takes
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Speaker 1: off to Italy with her.
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Speaker 6: I agree, you know. And one thing you brought up
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Speaker 6: that we haven't really discussed his Crow's dad to a
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Speaker 6: local attorney, so that that, you know, obviously throws a
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Speaker 6: little bit of a hindrance.
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Speaker 2: Wait, who is a local attorney?
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Speaker 6: Alice Crow's dad is a local attorney?
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Speaker 1: What does he have to say about his son taking
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Speaker 1: a girl off to Italy to perform exorcisms? Like they
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Speaker 1: don't have priests to perform exorcisms in Italy?
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Speaker 6: Well, he hasn't said anything. And you know again, I
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Speaker 6: you know, I'm sure he's in an odd position too,
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Speaker 6: as his son.
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Speaker 1: I guess he is here, if you can say that again,
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Speaker 1: URV Brant help me out here, God, IRV Brant. I'm
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Speaker 1: going to IRV because I need an expert in extradition.
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Speaker 2: And foreign affairs.
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Speaker 1: IRV Brandt, Senior Inspector, US Marshall Service, International Investigations, Chief Inspector, DOJ,
28:14
Speaker 1: Office of International affairs. He's an author of solo shot
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Speaker 1: Curse of the Blue Stone and Flying Solo Top of
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Speaker 1: the World, both on Amazon IRV number one. There's nothing
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Speaker 1: too extra, dine. I put the cart before the horse
28:29
Speaker 1: right there, because he hasn't been charged with the crime yet.
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Speaker 2: But what can you tell me about this situation? I
28:36
Speaker 2: understand the two have been.
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Speaker 1: Found in Italy and quote they're in an airbnb with
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Speaker 1: separate bedrooms.
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Speaker 2: Are you serious?
28:46
Speaker 1: Like separate bedrooms means anything? But that said, what's your.
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Speaker 10: Take on this or Brant Booth's tricky nancy? The Europeans
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Speaker 10: view crimes inappropriate behavior with minors quite differently.
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Speaker 2: Oh you mean like Ryman Polanski.
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Speaker 10: That's where I was going with this. Yes, And as
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Speaker 10: ser Birch was talking about in his investigation, that this
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Speaker 10: may lead, you know, to inappropriate behavior with someone in
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Speaker 10: a position of authority, and that it's possible that warrant
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Speaker 10: may be issued, it's highly unlikely that it could be
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Speaker 10: extradited from any European country, and particularly Italy, where the
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Speaker 10: age of consent is fourteen.
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Speaker 2: Okay, well, white, white, white right IRV.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I thought I knew you thought I knew what
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Speaker 1: you were going to say, I do know me, but
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Speaker 1: I did not know the age of consent in Italy
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Speaker 1: is fourteen.
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Speaker 2: Are you sure what Sidney Jackie? Google that?
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Speaker 11: Yes?
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Speaker 1: See right, yes, well apparently Google agrees with you. The
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Speaker 1: age of consent is fourteen.
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Speaker 10: Now unless it's involved with the like as Sheriff Birch
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Speaker 10: was saying where he said, there's you know, no age
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Speaker 10: restriction that someone with a position of authority in Italy.
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Speaker 10: If it's with a person you know, in position of authority,
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Speaker 10: a teacher, a priest, a police officer, whatever, it would
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Speaker 10: be sixteen. The age of consent is sixteen. So there
30:27
Speaker 10: lies the dilemma, what do you charge him with?
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Speaker 2: Italy is not going to help us, even if we
30:32
Speaker 2: did have a formal charge.
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Speaker 1: If they want extradite Roman Polanski who drugged a girl
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Speaker 1: and had sex with her, a little girl in hot tub,
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Speaker 1: they're not going to extradite a priest of all places,
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Speaker 1: I mean, Vatican Central there there it is, okay, Sheriff
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Speaker 1: Paul Birch, I can't. I don't even how to formulate
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Speaker 1: the first question here? How far back do the grimming
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Speaker 1: letters go? If the girl just turned eighteen, how far
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Speaker 1: back do the letters of grooming go.
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Speaker 6: The letter that we've seen goes back to around Valentine's Day.
31:08
Speaker 6: But we do know that you know they've known each
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Speaker 6: other for at least two years. You know, one question
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Speaker 6: I have, you know with the previous guest, is you
31:17
Speaker 6: know they're only owned there on a passport, so which
31:20
Speaker 6: they can only be there for ninety days.
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Speaker 2: So I'm wondering you're smart, sheriff.
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Speaker 10: S I know what you're I know what you're getting at.
31:29
Speaker 10: But with the EU Americans or visa exempt, but you
31:35
Speaker 10: are correct they could only stay for ninety days.
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Speaker 2: Ae European Union.
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Speaker 1: You're saying that the European Union exempts US citizens from
31:44
Speaker 1: passport violations.
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Speaker 10: No, they're visa exempt. But the sheriff is right that
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Speaker 10: they can only stay in the country for ninety days.
31:52
Speaker 10: But that person doesn't have to return to the US
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Speaker 10: to start the ninety days over. If you're in Italy
31:59
Speaker 10: and you can only be in it ninety days, you
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Speaker 10: can go to Germany for one day, then return to
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Speaker 10: Italy and stay for another ninety days.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Now, some people claim that
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Speaker 1: this young priest is handsome. I don't see it. We
32:29
Speaker 1: also know that this young priest Crow claims to have
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Speaker 1: been exercised of demons when he was a child. We
32:39
Speaker 1: have also learned that the disgraced priest somehow has married
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Speaker 1: the teen girl. How did this happen? Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our friends at crimeonline dot com and Fox ten.
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Speaker 13: After graduating from Mcgiltoolan Catholic school in Mobile, Alabama, Alex
32:59
Speaker 13: Crow to spring Hill College for a year before dropping
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Speaker 13: out to form a band playing a mix of blues,
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Speaker 13: rock and pop covers. Alex Crow and the Ultra Boys
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Speaker 13: played several venues in the Mobile, Alabama area, and even
33:10
Speaker 13: did a homecoming dance at mcgil Tulan, according to ale
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Speaker 13: dot com. After working the local scene with limited success,
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Speaker 13: Crowe says he was called into the priesthood, so he
33:20
Speaker 13: attended Saint Joseph Catholic College before getting his Bachelor of
33:23
Speaker 13: Sacred Theology from Sansomo and Rome. He earned his Master
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Speaker 13: of Divinity degree from Saint Minard Seminary in School of
33:29
Speaker 13: Theology in Indiana. But for much of his adult life,
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Speaker 13: Alex Crow spent his time studying demonology and exorcism, becoming
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Speaker 13: an expert on the topic and sharing his knowledge on
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Speaker 13: video podcast and is an invited lecturer to students.
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Speaker 1: Let me just drink that in for a moment. For
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Speaker 1: much of his adult life he spends time studying demonology
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Speaker 1: and exorcism. And now he has a teen girl with
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Speaker 1: him in Italy against the will of her parents.
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Speaker 2: But that's not all. Take listen now, friends at Fox ten.
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Speaker 14: The Mobile County Sheriff's office confirming today that the priest
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Speaker 14: and woman he left the country with have been located
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Speaker 14: in Italy. The archdiocese says Alex Crowe abandoned his assignment
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Speaker 14: at the Corpus Christi Catholic Church, calling his behavior quote
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Speaker 14: totally unbecoming of a priest. Meanwhile, Mobile County Sheriff Paul
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Speaker 14: Birch says, there is no doubt that this story is
34:21
Speaker 14: a bizarre case, but at this time there's nothing criminal going.
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Speaker 1: On with me especial guest Sheriff Paul Birch from Mobile,
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Speaker 1: Alabama Sheriff, I understand the two are in Italy with
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Speaker 1: no plans to return home, despite the teen girl's parents
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Speaker 1: flying to Italy begging her to come home. I also
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Speaker 1: understand that this priest, a so called heart throb. Alex
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Speaker 1: Crowe says he went to Italy to perform an exorcism
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Speaker 1: on this teen girl. He had to go to Italy
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Speaker 1: to perform an exorcism, sheriff, Well, that may have been
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Speaker 1: this stated.
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Speaker 6: He talked about performing exorcisms, but not necessarily own her,
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Speaker 6: but he wanted her to travel with him. And I
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Speaker 6: actually spoke to her several times a week before last,
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Speaker 6: pleaded with her to come home and tried to you know,
35:18
Speaker 6: so let's let's if he loves you so much, come
35:21
Speaker 6: back and do it right, and just she wouldn't hear
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Speaker 6: anything of it. You know. Our parents were basically asked
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Speaker 6: to leave he because he would never let her talk
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Speaker 6: to them alone, you know. And I was actually sending
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Speaker 6: investigators to try to talk to her, and the next
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Speaker 6: day was told if our guys were to land in
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Speaker 6: Italy to interview anybody, they'd be arrested by the Italian officials.
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Speaker 6: So we had to back off of that.
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Speaker 2: Okay, right, let me understand what you just said.
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Speaker 1: Italian officials say, if you touch down to interview her
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Speaker 1: or the priest, they'll arrest you.
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Speaker 6: They were going to arrest my detective prosecute if we
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Speaker 6: would have succeeded in going over there. So We contacted
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Speaker 6: our local FBI office who has helped facilitate with the
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Speaker 6: Italian officials who.
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Speaker 2: Believe the age of consent is fourteen.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so guys, I want you to take a list
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Speaker 1: an hour cut nineteen our friends at Fox ten Mobile.
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Speaker 6: My understanding through my investigators that when the family met
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Speaker 6: up with them, they were in separate bedrooms in an
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Speaker 6: airbnb type situation, and the agen yo is adamant that
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Speaker 6: there's no intimate relationship.
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Speaker 2: Actually just kind of a bizarre story.
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Speaker 14: Sheriff Birt says, Crow left a letter with the archdiocese
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Speaker 14: sating he would never return to America.
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Speaker 2: Is he going to keep this girl with him the
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Speaker 2: whole time?
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Speaker 1: Kyle Hamrick with me, investigative reporter for lan Yap News
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Speaker 1: in Mobile. Kyle, is that true that when visitors from
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Speaker 1: the US got there, they are in an airbnb with
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Speaker 1: separate bedrooms, and that's what they want everyone to believe.
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Speaker 4: That's what law enforcement sources told me was a family
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Speaker 4: member went to Italy to see them and check on them,
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Speaker 4: and they found them in an Airbnb.
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Speaker 6: Kind of home with two separate bedrooms.
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Speaker 4: And that was the first story for a few days,
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Speaker 4: was that there was nothing funny going on, no romantic connection,
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Speaker 4: and now they are there. The young woman is saying
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Speaker 4: that she's in love and does not want to leave it.
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Speaker 1: Okay, see Anosinoda with Me child grooming expert and author
37:46
Speaker 1: of Duck Duck Groom understanding how a child becomes a target.
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Speaker 1: That's what's so dangerous right here is that the grooming began.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this guy's been taking confessions at her location
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Speaker 2: since twenty twenty one, when she was sixteen. The grooming,
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Speaker 2: I believe began before she was eighteen. Now she is
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Speaker 2: entrenched in the.
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Speaker 1: Idea that she is in love with a heart throb
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Speaker 1: priest obsessed with demonology, and she's completely under his control
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Speaker 1: in another country, a country that will not help the US, Nancy.
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Speaker 7: The other thing that's come out in several of your
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Speaker 7: panel members is that this guy is a serial predator.
38:37
Speaker 7: When we're looking at child sex abuse predators, seventy percent
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Speaker 7: of them have one to nine victims and twenty percent
38:43
Speaker 7: have ten to forty victims. So you've already seen an
38:47
Speaker 7: example that this guy was on someone's radar inmobile and
38:51
Speaker 7: the risk factors that are inherent in people who work
38:54
Speaker 7: in church systems are that they are actually part of
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Speaker 7: a higher power, often called from God himself, in order
39:04
Speaker 7: to do their job, and there's built in obedience and deference,
39:08
Speaker 7: and we ask people within religious environments to be vulnerable
39:12
Speaker 7: and in those same ways, this predator was perfectly positioned
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Speaker 7: with young obedient girls to implement a trap in order
39:23
Speaker 7: to gain access and then isolate her. The fact that
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Speaker 7: we're talking about how many bedrooms are in Airbnb makes
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Speaker 7: me want to explode. Why does he need to isolate her?
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Speaker 7: It's only because he has her in a relationship that
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Speaker 7: is predatory and she is powerless.
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Speaker 1: Sheriff, didn't I hear you say that he would not
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Speaker 1: allow her to speak to anyone without him being there.
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Speaker 6: Correct, even with her parents, he was right there the
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Speaker 6: entire time, because I was on the phone with them
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Speaker 6: and her through different parts of the day a week
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Speaker 6: or so ago, and just you know, you could hear
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Speaker 6: him interject. And one advantage he has too is I
40:06
Speaker 6: don't know how fluent he is, but you know he
40:10
Speaker 6: speaks Italian to some degree, and when official did show
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Speaker 6: it up, you know, he would speak to them in
40:15
Speaker 6: Italians and no one else knew what was going on
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Speaker 6: or what was being said, but most of the family
40:22
Speaker 6: or the mother and father were asked to leave after
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Speaker 6: being there for a few days.
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Speaker 1: Sheriff, here's the harsh truth. She's eighteen now. So unless
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Speaker 1: you can prove grooming or not just inappropriate activity, criminal wrongdoing,
40:41
Speaker 1: there's no hope.
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Speaker 2: Of getting him back. And even if you can.
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Speaker 1: Prove it, they're in Italy, who doesn't give a flying
40:49
Speaker 1: fig about the US law.
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Speaker 6: I real hope is to get her back. I don't
40:54
Speaker 6: care if he wants to live as a fugitive for
40:56
Speaker 6: the rest of his life. I think we'll get to
40:58
Speaker 6: where we can get some fellow new war on him,
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Speaker 6: hopefully this week. You know, if he wants to live
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Speaker 6: as a future rest of his life, that that's his business.
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Speaker 6: We want to get her back is the ultimate goal.
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Speaker 2: Sure.
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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen a case where you believe there's
41:16
Speaker 1: no way you can get justice, not in this degree.
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Speaker 6: You know, when I was told that by you know,
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Speaker 6: through this, through email, the Italian officials, you know, I'm like, well,
41:27
Speaker 6: there goes the brotherhood of law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: Well, and you know you should become familiar with us
41:32
Speaker 1: saying that we have in our home. It's a highly
41:35
Speaker 1: technical legal phrase, screw you and the horse you rode
41:39
Speaker 1: in on. I believe it's how I would put it
41:42
Speaker 1: to the Italian authorities on this one. But until she
41:46
Speaker 1: wants to come home, I don't think you've got a case.
41:50
Speaker 1: Unless you can prove through this other friend, the friend girl,
41:54
Speaker 1: or the letters or some other witness that some type.
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Speaker 2: Of wrongdoing more wrongdoing occurred, you're screwed, Sheriff.
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Speaker 6: I will say the Italian officials were helpful in one way.
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Speaker 6: When the parents were there. There was an iPad that
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Speaker 6: both her, the girl and crow really wanted to keep,
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Speaker 6: but the parents were able to convince them that they
42:20
Speaker 6: paid for it, it belonged to them. So the authorities
42:23
Speaker 6: did give the parents the laptop or the iPad, and
42:28
Speaker 6: it's actually at our local leftial office trying to gain
42:31
Speaker 6: access to it. They really did not want that to
42:34
Speaker 6: leave their hands. So I'm hoping there's something in there
42:37
Speaker 6: that will strengthen the case and get us over the
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Speaker 6: hill on being able to press sign charges on it.
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Speaker 1: I am hoping that between texts, emails, love letters, and
42:49
Speaker 1: that iPad that the parents miraculously got their mets on,
42:53
Speaker 1: you may be able to prove the case and get
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Speaker 1: this girl home.
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Speaker 2: I feel that she's been brainwashed. What more do we know?
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Speaker 15: Alex Crowe and the teen returned to the US before Christmas.
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Speaker 15: A marriage certificate was file in Alabama. The district attorney,
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Speaker 15: Keith Blackwood, said he met with the young woman and
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Speaker 15: prosecutors and she declined to answer any questions. The pair
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Speaker 15: were in Italy for approximately four months. Crowe has now
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Speaker 15: been formally removed as a member of the clergy by
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Speaker 15: the Vatican.
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Speaker 1: This defraught clergy member, initially ordained in twenty twenty one,
43:32
Speaker 1: actually attended Saint Anselmo in Rome, Italy, and got a
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Speaker 1: Bachelor of Sacred Theology. He also studied demons and exorcisms.
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Speaker 1: I will say this is the first time in any
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Speaker 1: criminal investigation I have had the pope way in Now.
43:53
Speaker 1: I am just a lowly Methodist, but there are several
43:56
Speaker 1: things I really like about this pope. One is he
44:00
Speaker 1: knows how to tango. That said, we wait as just
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Speaker 1: as un fALS.
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Speaker 2: Goodbye, friend,