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Weekly Dose of Fat – 7-5-14 – with 9:Zero:7’s Bill Fleming – Show #11 · Full Spectrum Cycling

• 0:01
  One, two. One, two. Is this thing on? This is the Weekly Dose of Fat for Saturday, July 5th, 2014, show number 11.
• 0:13
  [upbeat music] From the FatBike.com Studios in the beer capital of America, please welcome your hosts, Sven and Gomez.
• 0:31
  In his 11th consecutive start as co-host of Fat Bike Radio's Weekly Dose of Fat, Senor Gomez Alejandro Santana del Largo, r- r- r- r- r.
• 0:44
  And please give a special birthday round of applause to Sven Hammer, ladies and gentlemen. [clapping] That's right, born on the 4th of July, folks.
• 0:54
  Joining us in the studio is Colin Ford and the Fat Bike Radio band, led by our cousin from Zion Cyclery, Chris Schidazy. Hey, guys. [siren blaring] This week's show is sponsored by the Surly Pugsley Ops.
• 1:12
  The Pugsley Ops comes with a full rally sport package. [dog barks] Check it out at Surlybikes.com. [dog barks] It's heartening to know that Apple Computer loves us enough to include our humble little show on iTunes.
• 1:28
  Look for us on Facebook and Twitter. This week's show is a special birthday tribute to our amigo, Sven. Y los Estados Unidos de America. We've got one of the owners of 907, Bill Fleming,
• 1:44
  and Gomez has a mystery guest later in the show. If you haven't ridden your fat bike to a backcountry lake this summer, you need to get on that. On your camping excursion, you may want to pack a cold beverage or six.
• 2:00
  And if you're doing a triathlon, nobody cares. [laughs] Speaking of cold beverages, what do we have in the, uh, Fat Bike Radio beer cooler this week? Today's beer is one of America's 30 worst beers.
• 2:14
  Is there an official list? Yeah, there is an official list. All right. Old Milwaukee, or Old Spillwaukee- Oh, man... or Old Swilly, as we like to call it. Has a, uh, bright and shiny new label.
• 2:27
  It's cold as hell- New can... which I understand is the only way you can drink this beer. So, uh, here we go. Let's rock these cans. [cans opening] All right. Cheers, boys. Chug-a-lug. Brap.
• 2:41
  Well, that is icy cold, and surprisingly, not offensive. Mm. What do we know about this beer, Colin, besides it's [laughs] one of America's 30 worst? It's, uh, endorsed by Will Ferrell. Yeah. Uh- Is that it?...
• 2:57
  he went to Davenport, Iowa to, to endorse it. He didn't even know why he was there. But, uh, it is- He's also, he also stood on the Pabst sign here in Milwaukee. Yeah, he stood on the Pabst sign here.
• 3:08
  That's nine stories above Juneau or whatever it is- It's frigging rad... and way up there. There's a place called The Best Place. You all should travel here and go to it. It is the best bar in America. Yeah.
• 3:19
  It's- I call this, uh, like a beer-flavored beer with just a, with just a hint of goat piss. This is- [laughs] This is classified as an American light lager.
• 3:28
  I think this is one of those beers you can drink- A junk lager... all day long and not get hammered on. It's just a good s- you know, summertime- That's right, chief. [laughs] [burps] This is Swill.
• 3:39
  [laughs] Little Swilly. All right. It's made by Miller Brewing Company, and is, uh, owned by the same dudes that own Pabst. And it h- was a Milwaukee brand a long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long time ago.
• 3:55
  How'd you get the hint? 'Cause it's called Old Milwaukee. And- It's the first beer Gomez ever drank when I was 15. There you go. Well, that's what we're gonna be sucking down for the rest of the show.
• 4:08
  Uh- See how stupid it makes you? Yeah. [laughs] Stupid is as stupid does. There's a little evil in every can.
• 4:14
  [laughs] So coming up, we have an interview with Bill Fleming, one of the owners of 907, right after this from our friends at Becker Gear.
• 4:28
  [upbeat music] What do Heather Best, Kevin Breitenbach, and Jeff Wooley have in common?
• 4:32
  Well, they're all world record holders and champions of the Iditarod Trail Invitational, and they all chose Becker frame bags and hydration packs for their championship run.
• 4:43
  Becker Gear is custom designed and purpose-built to fit your bike. Fat, skinny, and everything in between, Becker Gear is the bag maker of champions. Welcome to the show, Mr. Bill Fleming, co-owner of 907.
• 5:01
  Hey, Bill. How's it going? Gomez, it goes very well. How about yourself? Uh, you know me. Never knew I could be this happy. [laughs] Well, hey, thanks for, uh, thanks for having me on the show.
• 5:12
  Oh, thanks for coming, uh, beaming to us via the cellular airwaves. So, uh- Yeah, yeah. It's a little early up here in Alaska, but, uh, it's a beautiful day, so- Well, I knew you were-... no biggie...
• 5:23
  I knew you were an early riser. You've probably already got 30 miles in and- [laughs] Uh, no, no, no, no. Not, uh, no. Uh, I am an early riser, but, uh- You haven't-... uh, not this morning...
• 5:38
  you haven't gone off the deep end and started, you know, CrossFit competition training or anything, have you? Uh, no, no, no. I've been working on the lubber thruster. [laughs] Very well. [laughs] You and me both.
• 5:52
  Um- Yeah. [laughs] So is there any way we can, uh, before we talk about your ridiculously light bike, is there any way we can, uh, pry a little 2015 907 preview out of you? Well, yeah, you know, there are...
• 6:07
  We do probably have some projects I can talk about. Uh, we also have some projects that I really can't talk about, but we're always working on, on stuff.
• 6:15
  And, uh, so, uh, yeah, was there something specific that you're, [clears throat] you're interested in? [laughs] No, I am just completely fishing. I've got, I've got my worm on a hook, and uh- Yeah...
• 6:26
  I'm just assuming, uh, I don't know, maybe, maybe rims, maybe your own brand of tires. I don't know. Uh-huh. I'm usually wrong when I ask these questions, so... [laughs] Yeah, yeah, yeah. No.
• 6:37
  Well, I, I can tell you that, uh, we're, we're working on an upgrade to our aluminum frame right now. And, um, and so we've got some kind of cool stuff coming out for the aluminum frame.
• 6:49
  We're, we're gonna make some, uh, updates to our sliding dropout frame. And, uh, and we got some other stuff, uh, in the works that's still, you know, be kind of premature to talk about it.
• 7:01
  Uh, we, we like to kind of hammer that stuff before we release it, and, and so we're, we're kind of in the hammering stage right now. Well, cool.
• 7:09
  So it, it probably be, uh, too early to talk about it, but you know, some of the, some of the stuff, uh, the goal is to kind of present it at Interbike. So are you gonna be...
• 7:20
  If you're at Interbike, we'll have something to show you. Excellent. If you want to stay at Interbike. Excellent. Yeah. Uh, both Sven and I will be at Interbike, uh, with video cameras and all kinds of fun stuff.
• 7:32
  So you might want to- Yeah. You might wanna, you know, do some manscaping or something before you go to Interbike. We're gonna put you- [laughs]... we're gonna put you on the, on the tiny screen. Yeah, there you go.
• 7:42
  All right. Fair enough. Well, let's, let's, uh, get into your bike here. I actually got to ride this bike, right? You're still rocking that same, uh, 21-pound bike, right? Yeah. That was the bike I...
• 7:55
  Uh, I built it up for the, uh... I did the Rough Sea Pedal Invitational Race, and, uh, and, and so I, I kind of left it unchanged and, uh, been kind of riding it around. Fun.
• 8:06
  So, uh, but yeah, that's the bike that you had a chance to ride when you were, when you were up here.
• 8:10
  Uh- I got to ride it up and do- up and down your side street, which was all snowy and, and wintry, and there's a little hill.
• 8:17
  And I zoomed down to the bottom of the hill and I spun around, and as soon as I started going uphill, I actually said out loud, "Oh, not fair." [laughs] "This thing just is self-propelled."
• 8:30
  I think, I think that's what you said, "Reveille," pretty much. I, I remember that. Yeah. Yeah.
• 8:35
  It's kind of, um, it's kind of an eerie feeling, you know, if, if you've been riding fat bikes for a while and, uh, you know, you, you've kind of been with it sort of since the beginning and, and you, you grab a, one of these carbon bikes, it's just, uh, insanely, insanely light.
• 8:50
  It, it doesn't feel like a, a, a fat bike at all. But, um, you know, I, uh, I, I did wanna kind of gooch this thing out and make it, make it pretty goochy.
• 9:02
  Uh, but you know, the final build, I did make some, uh, concessions to, uh, to the, to the race to make it kind of practical. But overall, it's, it's just, uh, it, it's a lot of fun to ride. You know, to...
• 9:16
  All things being equal, you know, I think, uh, lighter bikes are maybe a little bit more fun for, to ride than really heavy bikes. Yeah. It's, it's- But, um, that, that's just me, you know? It opens such
• 9:28
  a realm of possibility for these omni, omni-terrain, uh, bikes when you take the fat platform and you make it as light as a single speed 29er. Well, maybe a geared 29er.
• 9:45
  Uh, it really, really... It, it busts a lot of barriers that people put up for fat bikes, such as, you know, that they're just for snow, et cetera. They become ultra trail bikes and ultra exploration vehicles.
• 10:01
  Yeah, you know, it just really broadens the, the definition, uh, a lot. And, uh, you know, it, it's an ex- an incredibly versatile bike. You know, you're right.
• 10:10
  When you get the weight down there, you could, you know, you can use that thing for a lot of, a lot of different things, you know? So- It blurs the lines... uh, I've, I've been really, really happy with it.
• 10:20
  So you've got a, a Whiteout frame and fork. And, uh, if I remember correct- Yeah... you run an XX1 on that, right? I am. Yeah, I'm a big fan of the 1x11.
• 10:29
  I know, uh, [clears throat] there's a, a lot of guys out there s- um, you know, still kind of digging on the double for the front. And, uh, but I, uh, I'm pretty sold on the 1x11.
• 10:41
  And, uh, I, uh, I use a 32-tooth ring in the front, and, uh, that seems just about right for me. And, um, so I just like it.
• 10:52
  One thing I, I did do though is, uh, I, I'm a huge fan of the grip shift for, for winter riding. Mm-hmm. And, uh, and I've actually kind of sort of come to love it for summer riding too.
• 11:03
  And, uh, so I use, uh, a 1x11 with a grip shift on there. It's just a real simple mechanism, very reliable. And- And, uh, so I, I-... whose crank are you running on that? I, uh, I'm sorry. What was that?
• 11:15
  Whose crank are you running on that? Which crank? I'm using the Next SL from Race Face. Very nice. Yeah, I have that on my fat bike. Yeah. Super light, and has been really pretty bomb-proof.
• 11:26
  Six months on that thing and- Yeah. You know, what I, what I like about the Race Face stuff is, you know, they, they, uh, they're kind of early adopters. You know, we...
• 11:34
  That was one of the problems we had, was trying to find a vendor that would work with us on the cranks.
• 11:39
  And, uh, and Race Face, they were, they were really interested in the project, and, and, uh, so they, they've been great to work with. So we, uh, we, we are big fans of the Race Face stuff, so. Yeah. Cool. And it's...
• 11:52
  They're right regionally... I mean, that's, that's the closest thing you can be to Alaska and not be there. They're in British Columbia, right? [laughs] So.
• 12:00
  Yeah, we have a special, special kinship with the Canadians, you know? So, uh- There you go... [laughs] we, we sort of feel half Canadian Okay there. So, uh, what are you doing for, uh, for rider controls?
• 12:14
  Bar stems, seat post? Um, well, so, uh, you know, I, I have this, uh, set up with Enve components, and, uh, I, I, I like the Enve stuff, uh, a lot.
• 12:28
  The, the actual reason why I have the Enve stuff on there is, uh, we built a couple of show bikes for Interbike, uh, last year, and, um, they had Enve cockpit components on there.
• 12:39
  And, uh, so I, I basically stole and put them on my bike. So [laughs] Well, very good. Re- That's where they came from... repurposed. And Enve is, is high-end, super light, great stuff. Oh, yeah.
• 12:51
  And it, and it's bomber, too, and so I, I wasn't... I, I wanted to keep it really light, but I, I needed something I had a lot of confidence in, uh, you know, for some of the longer, longer races last winter.
• 13:03
  Um, so I, I just felt pretty good about putting that stuff on the bike. Um, now one of the interesting things is, uh, for the cable and housing. Mm-hmm.
• 13:14
  Um, and I, uh, I, I decided to go ahead and try that Jagwire Elite- Ah... uh, stuff, the, the aluminum link housing. Right.
• 13:24
  And, uh, of course I was trying to build it up light, but the other thing I was trying to do is, is, uh, make it so I could put a harness on the front and keep the, the cables really clean.
• 13:34
  And with that stuff, you can kind of bend that stuff around and, and, uh, move it, and it doesn't, it doesn't, you know, it doesn't affect the, the controls at all. The shifting. Yeah.
• 13:44
  So I, uh, I, I really enjoyed the, uh, the Jagwire Elite. That's always a, a point of, of very crowded area when you put that, when you put that handlebar bag on, everything gets smashed up in, up against that top tube.
• 14:00
  So you found that the, that the aluminum housing worked out better for you, huh? Yeah, I think so.
• 14:06
  Yeah, because I was able to bend that stuff around a lot, and I've had problems before in the past, you know, when you put a sleeping bag, you know, in a harness up there. Mm-hmm.
• 14:13
  You kind of bend in the, the housing around it. If it gets really cold, you know, I've, I've had it happen to me before where the, the housing will crack. Mm-hmm.
• 14:21
  And, and, um, and, and with this stuff it was just really nice. I could just kind of...
• 14:26
  I, I put it in a little long so I could kind of bend it around a little bit, and it worked perfectly and I can nest, uh, my sleeping bag up underneath there no problem. Very cool.
• 14:34
  And plenty of room, and it doesn't affect the brakes or anything like that. That's a good tip. So what do you run for tires, and, uh, what, what are your wheels built like?
• 14:45
  Yeah, so, um, well, we, I, uh, I use the, the HED Yumama carbon, carbon wheels to, uh, keep the, keep the weight down.
• 14:54
  And, uh, I was actually, to be honest with you, uh, you know, a little nervous about using them for fully loaded for like the, uh... I did Rock Hill Invitational, the ITI. Mm. And, uh, I thought, "Well, you know what?
• 15:07
  I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna go ahead and try it, and, uh, it'll be like product testing." [laughs] And because I thought there'd be a big advantage in keeping the bike as light as possible. Sure.
• 15:18
  And, uh, and so I loaded that thing down, you know, and, uh, and it, they worked, they worked great. I've been really happy.
• 15:27
  I, I normally run them tubeless, but, uh, for some of the, you know, those where maybe you don't really want to screw around with that if it's really cold, then I, I, I, I'll run tubes in them.
• 15:37
  But most of the time I'm just, I'm running it tubeless. Cool. And what kind of hubs are you using in your hubs? Yeah, we're using 907 hubs, and, uh, we've had good luck with those. They've proven to be pretty reliable.
• 15:49
  And then, uh, I'm running, uh, some, uh, Sutlers Dillinger's on there now. And, uh, it's kind of a funny story on there because y- you know, there's a lot of variability between the tires in the weight. Mm-hmm.
• 16:03
  And so when we, uh, got our big order of tires in there, unfortunately I was a little late getting down to the shipping and receiving area, and, uh, all the employees had already gone through with a scale and weighed every single tire, and had totally snaked all the lightest tires.
• 16:18
  So I ended up with, uh, only, uh, the, the semi-light tires. [laughs] So the- But they're, they're still pretty light... the fabled 980 gram Dillinger's do exist. [laughs] You've seen them.
• 16:32
  There's a, there's kind of a story there. They're, uh...
• 16:34
  I, they had a, uh, when they were first producing that tire, they, they had a, a small run of out of spec tires that were, that were, that were actually crazy light.
• 16:45
  They couldn't sell them, and, uh, and they offered them up to us, and, and we bought them. So, uh, there are just a few of these tires around. They feel like... I don't know how to describe it.
• 16:55
  They feel like paper, you know? I mean, they're [laughs] they're super lightweight tires. [laughs] Can't say that they're maybe the most durable tires, but, but they are the fabled, elusive, uh, super light.
• 17:06
  Oh, I know, I know a few people that, uh, will be calling you, begging you, s- asking you, uh, what they can- [laughs]... if they can, uh, give you their firstborn for a set of those. So, uh- Yeah...
• 17:19
  I know- Oh, you know what? Maybe I misspoke. I have no idea what you're talking about. [laughs] So when you do your adventure racing, whose bags do you rock? Oh, man. Uh, I'm a huge fan of, uh, the Revelate stuff.
• 17:32
  You know, Eric does a really good job, and he, uh, he's been at it, uh, a, a really long time. And,
• 17:38
  you know, there's some other bag, uh, companies coming online now, and, uh, we, we've taken a real close look at them because w- we, we're gonna carry them on, uh, fatbikes.com. Mm-hmm.
• 17:47
  Uh, but I'll, I'll continue to use the Revelate stuff. I just, uh, really intelligently designed. It's, you know, super bomb-proof, uh, and it, it, it kind of just fits on the frame really well.
• 18:00
  I, I like that stuff and, and, uh, so I, uh, I like to support Eric for sure. Yeah, Eric's a cool dude. And he makes- Yeah, he's been-... great stuff... the cat. I mean, oh, that, that Versace bag-... is just the bomb.
• 18:15
  Well- It, it is, man Yeah That thing is, uh, it, you know, you look at it and go, "Wow." One of those, it's one of those products where you look at it and y- you think, "Wow.
• 18:23
  Yeah, that's the way it should've always been," you know? And, uh, that's, uh, that's just a really smart way to do that.
• 18:28
  Yeah And, uh, You look at him it's great and you say, "Wow, he really built this thing bulletproof where it needed to be bulletproof." Um, and- Yeah...
• 18:37
  the materials used just seem like you couldn't saw through it with, [laughs] with a, with a Johnny Rambo survival knife, you know? [laughs] Yeah. Yeah, no, it's, it's, uh, it's, it's bulletproof, for sure. Well, cool.
• 18:51
  Well, muchas gracias, amigo, for coming on the radio program, sharing your ride, and sharing a little bit about, uh, about your riding and racing.
• 19:01
  So, uh, the next time, uh, we get to see each other, we'll be out in the Nevada desert, and, uh, we should have lots of new toys to talk about, eh? I think so. Yeah, for sure.
• 19:11
  Well, well, well, thanks so much for, uh, having me on the show, and, uh, it was, uh, a real pleasure. And, uh, always good to, uh, catch up with you, and I will see you in Vegas. Right on. Well, thanks again.
• 19:24
  You're tuned to Fat Bike Radio.
• 19:29
  We've been calling the next section of the show the Test Kitchen, with the idea that it was all about testing things, but the reality is there's a lot more to talk about than just testing gear.
• 19:38
  And this is actually called The Weekly Dose anyway, so we'll introduce this section henceforth as The Weekly Dose. And our first story from Gomez [sneezes]
• 19:52
  Hey, I [laughs] I saw this link that the Thrillist out there in Mill- Minneapolis made a Greenway bar bike ride map. They've- Brilliant...
• 20:09
  cut it up into sections and listed every bar and restaurant, even with links and little guides. It's, it's pretty badass. I really, I, I would love to have this for Milwaukee. I can... I'll, I'll put the first one on...
• 20:21
  The first pin on the map in Milwaukee is just off the Hank Aaron Trail at 37th Street, right near the Bike Fed and Fixation Bicycles. If you go due south, you run into Kohanski's. Oh, Kohanski's.
• 20:32
  Or Kohanski's if you prefer. Yeah. We'll have to ask Andy w- how he really pronounces it, but m- that's the first pin on the Milwaukee version of this map.
• 20:41
  There's a link in the show notes to the Mil- Minneapolis version. I think every city should do one of these. Yeah, Trail Genius should do one for Milwaukee, I think. Absolutely, with video evidence. Yeah.
• 20:52
  If the Sabo Bridge isn't on it, you did it wrong. Can you be under the bridge? Drinking a beer. Who, who doesn't drink beer under bridges? I've been with- I don't know. In Milwaukee [laughs]...
• 21:01
  I've been, I've, uh, w- [laughs] I've been with 30 Santa Clauses under a bridge drinking beer in Milwaukee. We got in trouble. Uh, what do you, what do you got, Minneapolis?
• 21:09
  I know, but are we gonna, are we gonna, are we gonna give away all the spots? Are we gonna put them on a map and put them on the internet so that people go there and- Not, not, not under bridge troll map... Right. No.
• 21:15
  Okay, no. Then that would give their names and spots. Just actual, just actual places where you can go into an establishment, listen to polka, and buy beer. Oh. Kohanski's is Gomez's kryptonite. [laughs] Yeah, man.
• 21:29
  All right. So we've also updated our tire weights page with the new 45NRTH Van Helga test tires. I forgot what those weighed in at, but, uh, they're- It's, uh, 1338 and 1349... they're competitive.
• 21:42
  Competitive It's a big, gnarly tire. And I'll tell you what's unique about those tires is I got all macro up in the bead face of these tires. Ooh.
• 21:50
  And the bead on these tires is different than any other bead that you've seen. It's precision-formed. I mean, it's like, it's like a baby's butt. That's what it takes to make a true tubeless tire.
• 22:02
  And we're gonna have, uh, we're gonna have David Gaboury from 45NRTH on the show later this month, and he's gonna tell us the difference between his tubeless and backyard tubeless. So it, it, it's- Whoo, backyard.
• 22:13
  Yeah, it's true. It [laughs] So basically the- Or backdoor tubeless. Right. Ew. The difference is tubeless ready versus, uh, ghetto tubeless essentially. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right.
• 22:24
  Is that a five-inch tire or a four-inch? Or- That's a four-inch, solid four-inch tire. 4.0? And super gnar, like, like a, like a Nate. You know what the... Yeah, I, I've seen- Yeah... the tread pattern. It's, it's huge.
• 22:34
  It's nice. But is, uh... Is it r- is it a 4.0? 4.0, yeah. 4.0. I was curious. So we saw our, uh, good friend Travis from Decorah Bicycle. On his website he has the new 2015 Trek Farley 6 and 8 up there on his website.
• 22:51
  We'll have, we'll have the links on the show notes, but, uh, Sven can tell you a little bit more about what, uh, what Trek has.
• 22:58
  The cool thing about these bikes, I think, uh, is that we've got a tire, the, the Bontrager Hodag, which I think is gonna be a good competitor in the fat bike tire market, and they have a tubeless ready rim called the Jackalope on the higher end one, while they're using the Sun Mulefut?
• 23:16
  Mulefut. Mulefut rim on the less expensive version. Uh, check out the show notes. There's links to both of those bikes, and you'll be able to see what Trek's got coming. It's kinda cool. Do a Google search on Hodag.
• 23:29
  It's got a, it's got a real Wisconsin- Oh, yeah... um- Up north there. Yeah. I worked at a deli where it was a sand- a breakfast sandwich.
• 23:36
  It's actually, you gotta look it up, 'cause [laughs] you're gonna be surprised at what you find. [laughs] It's what my, I'm not- And I'm not even sure we can talk about it on the show...
• 23:43
  I still think of, I still think of sandwich whenever I think of it. [laughs] Sandwich. [laughs] It was a damn good sandwich. [laughs] It's what my dad called his Johnson. Hodag? Hodag. The sandwich?
• 23:53
  [laughs] So coming up next on the show, we, uh, made a call to a good friend of ours just for the heck of it. Chewie, it's, it's, basically it's Sav's boyfriend. Oh. Ah. [laughs] I thought it was Spinner's boyfriend.
• 24:06
  Well, maybe they got a bizarre love triangle going. Well, yeah. I don't think Sav ever lived at his house. [laughs] No. Well, Ed got kicked out of the house by his missus. Right on.
• 24:15
  Coming up next, the interview with Chewie. Hey, welcome to the show, Chewy. Oh, thanks for having me. Wait, did you call me or did I call you? Um, we- Um- We called you a lot before we called you. [laughs] Yeah, okay.
• 24:29
  I feel better already. Our people called your people, and you know how that goes.
• 24:33
  So, uh, we thought we'd have you on the show, and, uh, and get your barometer, your, the, your pulse, your, uh, your biorhythms on how you think the show's going. Well, [sighs] I don't even know where to start.
• 24:47
  Do you want the p- the good things first or the bad things first? There's good things? I like bad things first- Okay, the good things are-... 'cause then you feel good about at the end...
• 24:54
  like you said before, the good things about the show is there's a mute button on it now so you can turn off Colin when he starts talking. [laughs] Shit.
• 25:00
  The only thing we need is a little red light that flashes that says he's done talking so we can- Beep, beep... turn it back on once in a while. [laughs] All right, we can work on that. [laughs] Wha- uh, yeah.
• 25:11
  Otherwise, the show's been pretty good except for you talk way too much about carbon. Oh. Hey-o. Got him. Carbon, carbon, carbon, it just drives me insane. There, uh, there is carbon- There's no carbon...
• 25:23
  in steel, is there not? I don't, I don't know- I think-... anybody that can afford the stuff. [laughs] I know. It's- But you know plenty of folks who can get it for a very discounted price.
• 25:32
  I wait till they scratch it up and then I, then they, then they throw it away and I go dig it out of a dumpster. That's as close as I'm ever gonna be able to having anything carbon.
• 25:39
  I mean, uh, but on the periodic table, isn't carbon, like, the second or, I mean, it's really, there, it's in everything. It's ubiquitous. We're gonna have an all steel show just for you. Yeah, there we go.
• 25:50
  How's that sound? [laughs] The steel is real show. Actually, no, I do use carbon. I have a carbon goalie stick. Ah. Oh, see. There you go. There you go. Do you get extra slap on it? So I've gone to the dark side now.
• 26:00
  Yeah. [laughs] Only on the ice man. But otherwi- yeah, otherwise, you know, listening to your show has been awesome. It's put me to sleep so many times at night. My wife uses it almost nightly now just to doze off.
• 26:11
  She, you know, she can get almost a week's worth of sleep out of one show, so it's really nice for her. And, you know, it, I think it's the snoring. When you're snoring and you're sleeping, it kinda lulls her to sleep.
• 26:21
  I think that gives her a sense of, uh- Oh, wait. You mean the snoring that you guys, that you guys talking, it's not snoring? [laughs] I can snore and talk at the same time. [laughs] Yeah.
• 26:31
  So, so you're headed up to Single Speed Worlds, and then to Single Speed USA. How about, uh, how about we make a plan for us to talk on this fabulous radio contraption to you at both of those venues?
• 26:48
  Maybe Single Speed USA it'll be a live bit, you and I, we can tickle each other. I will be at- Oh, and Colin too... Single Speed USA as well. Are you gonna be up there?
• 26:55
  Well [laughs] - Are, are you, are all you coming up to Single Speed USA? Colin's doing it. Uh, Greg can't, but would love to. I, I am- Or Sven, I mean... I am always a possibility. I'm, I'm all about anything's possible.
• 27:08
  It's tapped to run somewhere. Well, just so you know that, I mean, so first of all, the, the thing is, this is gonna be interesting because you've got DJ and that crew, um, Sammy- Are-...
• 27:18
  and Dave Butler, and all you guys- Are, wait... that are putting on are staying in one hotel room. Ron, are, are you name dropping right now? Oh, half pimp mode.
• 27:25
  Yeah, and then, and then you've got myself and Spinner in one hotel room, and then you've got the Drunk Cyclist guys next to us. Are you talking about Worlds or USA?
• 27:37
  So we'll just, we gotta just set something up and we'll, we'll do a live broadcast from one of the two rooms, whichever one we're not kicked out of. We could simulcast with Drunk Cyclist. There you go.
• 27:46
  We'll work that out. Yeah. So that's- That's good... that sounds like a good plan, dude. Well, do a, do a podcast. That would be awesome. Yeah, simulcast. Maybe we'd get one good one out of it.
• 27:54
  [laughs] That's- But coming from us two, I don't know, man. [laughs] Yeah, that's, that's how we roll, half pimp mode. And then, and then when we get to- Half pimp...
• 28:02
  so then when we get to USA, then we'll have to do one out at Spinner's toy hauler. All right. I will be there- Because that'll just be ugly, too.
• 28:11
  Uh, I'll be there at Single Speed USA, so will Dave Lunz, so will Chad Wilson. DaveLunz.com. So will Russell Bernard. Russell Bernard? You're name dropping again. Nice. Name dropping. Name dropping.
• 28:23
  [laughs] Well, I think, I think half of Minneapolis is coming. Probably. Hey, is that guy from Australia, Chris Zito, gonna be there? He's not g- as far as I know, he hasn't made any plans.
• 28:33
  Did you see how big his jaw was- But, but why is-... after he had his tooth wheel?... why do you consider him from Australia? 'Cause he talks about it c- incessantly.
• 28:40
  'Cause he, he snuck in illegally and left illegally for [laughs] an extended period of time. [laughs] I don't know. Does that make him Australian?
• 28:46
  Try and go on a ride with him and have him say anything without saying Australia for five minutes, and I'll give you a lollipop. They're just giving- [laughs]... they're giving Zito a hard time- Yeah, we are...
• 28:56
  on our radio program. [laughs] Because we're gonna have him call in and tell us- [laughs]... that we suck next. Yeah. [laughs] We can have him live in the studio and tell us that we suck.
• 29:03
  It's the All Suck Radio Program, thank you. Thank you. Especially after last week's episode. [laughs] I have not seen, I have not seen him live and in person, and I don't know how- Oh, he's such a good guy...
• 29:14
  he physically wasn't. Yeah, he's a nice guy, and we love- I do... being around him. Yeah, he's cool dude. I, dude, that guy hasn't been out on his mountain bike in a really long time. I'm trying to get him out on it.
• 29:22
  Yeah, he was, he was rolling some Surly something at, uh, Downer Classic bike race. Well, he, he's got that Krampus for the River West 24. Ah, yes. Oh, I love Krampus. They have the all Krampus team. I love my Krampus.
• 29:33
  I like getting cramps too. Although we can't, we, we can't talk about a Krampus 'cause Krampus is not considered a fat bike. Shut up, it is too. Yeah, we, hey- No, no, no.
• 29:41
  If you're in the racing world, it is not considered a fat bike. True. Racing sucks. [laughs] Dude, do you have- And with that, with that, thanks for calling in, Chewy.
• 29:52
  [laughs] So you telling me that Paul is the only one racing on the show? [laughs] Yeah. Yeah, I mean- Yeah... I race bikes all the time, and- Between bars. [laughs] Have you seen, heard about our new site?
• 30:03
  It's allcarbontrekking.com. [laughs] Ca- I, I like to call it carbonbikepacking.com. Ah, very nice. Well, we're, we're still, uh, we're still spitballing.
• 30:17
  So, uh- We, uh- We will be, uh, we're gonna- we're actually gonna put on a r- uh, Carey Montgomery and I are gonna put on a race here pretty quick, um, and we will get you guys involved in it when we get everything set up.
• 30:29
  Um- Is that gonna be in Rockton?
• 30:30
  It's gonna be held in a super-secret location, so we can't really tell anybody where it's gonna be held or, or what's gonna, or what the premise behind it's going to be, but when it happens, we'll, you guys will be the third or fourth one to know.
• 30:42
  Will there- So if you- Will there be any hockey sticks involved? Um, it's possible. It's totally possible. It could be- Will it be underwater?
• 30:50
  [laughs] It could be one of the g- one of the coolest races you've never gone to. I've never gone to a lot of races. What was that? How about that tour to France? That's starting pretty soon. [laughs] Eh.
• 31:03
  Well, thanks for calling in, Chewy. Hey, I'll get Charlie Cheesy to be there with his fat bike. [laughs] Hey, what's, what kind of facial hair are you rocking right now, Chewy? What kind of what?
• 31:14
  What, what kind of facial hair are you rocking right now? Beard? Oh, I'm still, I still got the little goatee with the sideburns things. I'm, I haven't changed it in a while. Ah. I gotta work on something different.
• 31:24
  No more mu- Okay... no mustache? We'll do it this way, uh, Single Speed USA, everybody has to come in with new facial hair. All right. Ooh, I like it. Gomez has a crop that he can, uh, trim back and, uh, ooh, yeah.
• 31:36
  I'm just, uh, I'm gonna go for the ponytails coming out of my jowls. I'm, uh- Like, uh, like Blackbeard with the firecrackers in them? Yeah. Wrapped all up in the... Ooh, I like it.
• 31:45
  Maybe I'll just go straight for Hitler mustache. Oh. Ooh, ouch.
• 31:49
  [laughs] So, so everybody has to show up at Single Speed Worlds clean-shaven, and then you've got from Single Speed Worlds to Single Speed USA to come up with new facial hair. Ooh, I like it. All right. Great. All right.
• 32:02
  So let it be written. So let it- Chewy's beard challenge. [laughs] Did you have anything important you actually wanted to talk to Chewy about?
• 32:09
  [laughs] Uh, pretty much it was, I just wanted him to come on and- Tell us-... give us his blessings since he's like- Yeah, how did, um-... the pope, the pope of- Nah, just traveling for the most part. What else?
• 32:19
  Um- How did Almanzo go for you? Hey, I gotta tell you, we did do a camping trip last weekend with, um, some folks from this area. It was, I've, I've, I've back camp- bike camped before. This was a hoot.
• 32:35
  It was dang much fun. Ri- riding for hours without ever seeing anybody, and then, and then actually ending up at a bar in Waterville, Iowa, holy crap, was that fun. Uh, every time I ride in Iowa, I have the best time.
• 32:50
  The, it's always better than the time before. It's just great. I learned a few years ago that you put a couple of beers in you and you can kinda
• 33:01
  make your way to the next town and make camp, and it can be a really fun, relaxing, gentle cruise. Doesn't have to be all, you know, steroids and- And you know what the really cool thing is?
• 33:12
  You can't get any podcasts out there. [laughs] Sweet. So, [clears throat] are you doing an anti-RAGBRAI this year, or are you gonna do the official RAGBRAI ride? Oh, no.
• 33:25
  You know, with, with where Worlds and stuff are being held at, and everything else going on, we're not gonna...
• 33:31
  You know, and it's sad because it's a northern route this year, but the last time I did any of RAGBRAI, I did it with Sov and Bear, and we did, uh, three days of RAGBRAI, and were on the route for a total of four miles, I think, and were never, ever in the proper town the entire time.
• 33:48
  That was the way to do RAGBRAI. I- It was, uh, it was the only way to do it, and I, and then I heard this year it's gonna be so short that people are gonna be riding all over the place.
• 33:56
  Well, the, I know at least one guy that did all of RAGBRAI in one day. You may know him as well. [laughs] The entire route in one day. Well- 500 miles. There w- Scott Dixon...
• 34:08
  there used to be a dude that was training for the Ride Across USA, and he did it every year. Yep. One- He did the, he did the same route every year, and just took off.
• 34:15
  Like, he, he'd wound up at the end at the same time as everybody else. Yep. Awesome. Which I thought was totally ridiculous, 'cause how can you drink that much in one day?
• 34:24
  [laughs] Well, we do need somebody to tell us how many fat bikes are on RAGBRAI, 'cause I think this is gonna be the year that it busts out and everybody's on a fat bike. That'd be stupid. Hey, Chewy- [laughs]
• 34:38
  Are they gonna, are they gonna do the cheating way? Are they gonna go with fat bikes with 1.5s on them then, too?
• 34:43
  Yeah, you can put those on a 50 millimeter rim, and- 'Cause technically they're on a fat bike- They're super low profile... but they don't have the fat tires. [laughs] Fat rims is all that counts.
• 34:51
  Tires are not such much. Hey, Chewy- And then maybe we could, and then maybe we could get that to be a new category in War Series races, fat bikes without fat tires.
• 35:01
  [laughs] Are, are you guys talking about 29 plus again? [laughs] No, 29 plus is the new touring tire. You know what else happened? Or at least the one- You know what else happens during RAGBRAI?... new touring tire.
• 35:14
  The same, the, the day it ends is the River West 24 here in Milwaukee, and Colin and Jim are rocking a tandem.
• 35:22
  It's not a fat tire one yet, but we're gonna- It's a- It's, it has narrow rims, but we're gonna put big tires on it. [laughs] Yeah. Me and Jim are gonna rock a tandem for 24 hours. Rock, are you really? Oh, yeah. Yeah.
• 35:34
  One of these days I'm gonna get over there for that. That's one of the b- Me and him... I, it's, I mean, next to RAGBRAI, it's one of my favorite things to race.
• 35:40
  I'm not gonna call it a race, 'cause if I get over there, I will turn it into not a race. Oh, it- Well-... it's not a race... it is a crazy thing. It's a community hug disguised as a bike race.
• 35:47
  With 1,000 people and not that many hits of ecstasy. Yeah. D- uh, I don't know what you're talking about. [laughs] The mushrooms. They're more natural. Wait, wait. Don't worry about that. Where's my mute button?
• 35:59
  Colin's talking again. Goddammit. [laughs] All right, well, I think we've drug this out a long, long enough. Yeah. We haven't- Edit this down to about 30 seconds then for me, would you? Yeah, cut me out. Oh, yeah.
• 36:11
  You, h- we haven't mentioned Sue yet and how much she loves having Spinner over at your house, so let's close on that note. We have? We, we did? We haven't mentioned that? Oh, no. We mentioned it off air.
• 36:22
  So- Let's just mention it on air so that, uh, Spinner knows how much he's loved... I'll mention it on air.
• 36:25
  Okay, so s- if anybody didn't know, Spinner moved to Rochester and lived with us for about three weeks, and I would get home from work and I'd be out in the shop doing something, and Spinner would get home with a six-pack and we'd have a few beers, and then we'd hit the refrigerator, and pretty much every night was the same thing.
• 36:42
  So about three weeks into his living with us, Sue sat us both down and pretty much told Spinner, she goes, "You know what, Spinner?
• 36:49
  I love you, and you can stay here anytime you want, but you can't live here anymore because if you do, you and Ron are going to die." Ah. And she's probably right. [laughs] Yeah.
• 36:59
  Because, because basically drinking Rochester out of beer, we also lost dogs and everything else. We'd spend all night looking for a dog that we'd lost.
• 37:07
  And, uh, we could go on and on about the stories that we did in three weeks. It was insane. So he's invited back to stay anytime he wants, but he's limited for sure. [laughs] Good talking to you guys.
• 37:19
  I'll talk to you in a week or so. All right, peace out. All right. See ya. Bye bye. All right, see you guys. Well, that's our show this week. Holy crap. Is it done already? That's, uh, probably the longest show ever.
• 37:31
  So yeah, the torture continues, kids. [laughs] Hey, thank God we don't have a contest this week, but it's coming next week, so keep your ears peeled for our next contest. We got good stuff- Yeah... to give you.
• 37:42
  Thank you all for tuning in. Big props to our sponsor, Surly Bikes. Thanks. Those guys are awesome. Surly rhymes with squirrely. Visit them at surlybikes.com.
• 37:55
  Thanks to everyone for listening, and thanks to Bill Fleming for being our guest.
• 38:00
  If you're in Milwaukee for the holiday, you can check out Colin's band, Dag Ol' Ruth, at Vegas Pub on Saturday night, along with Texas Tapeworms and Eaten by Trees.
• 38:11
  I wonder what kind of music those guys play with names like that. Uh, it's- I think it's easy listening... me too. Easy listening. I think it's Christian rock. It is. [drums] [laughs] Metal.
• 38:25
  [laughs] Felices senderos, amigos. Boy, we did a good job on that one, didn't we, guys? [outro music] See y'all next week. Later. And- You've been listening to Fat Bike Radio's Weekly Dose of Fat.
• 38:40
  Find us on the web at fat-bike.com/radio. We'll see you next time.
• 38:49
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