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The Ron Verb Show - 4pm Hour - Wednesday, 09/02/26 · Ron Verb

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  Speaker 1: Now, Ron Verb on NewsRadio 570 WKBN. Welcome on and all.
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  Speaker 1: It's 4.05 here on a Wednesday afternoon, September 2nd, Canfield
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  Speaker 1: Fair underway, 93 degrees. Ron Verb from the Kingdom of Mahoning,
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  Speaker 1: your fearless leader here until 6 o'clock tonight.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: So, you know, you brought back pleasant memories.
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  Speaker 3: Let me give you the scenario.
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  Speaker 1: Pleasant memories back with Adverb, just I want you to
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  Speaker 1: know that.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely. But he was right. Before it was the WRTA,
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  Speaker 3: it was the Youngstown City Bus. That's what that was called.
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  Speaker 3: You got people that voted for the WRTA that hadn't
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  Speaker 3: taken that city bus since 1956 with their mother to
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  Speaker 3: go downtown to buy school clothes, and they voted yes
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  Speaker 3: for it.
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  Speaker 1: If you remember during that time, I go back to this.
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  Speaker 1: WRTA put a quarter percent sales tax on, and I
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  Speaker 1: remember doing numerous broadcasts, say the vast majority of you
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  Speaker 1: never used the bus, never will use the bus. That majority, 98%. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And I talked about it then. I said, don't give anybody,
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  Speaker 1: don't give them a forever levy because things are changing
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  Speaker 1: as far as transportation is concerned. Do not give them
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  Speaker 1: a forever levy, a quarter percent sales tax. which at
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  Speaker 1: the time was $ 9 million. It generates more than that now.
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  Speaker 1: Do not vote for that. There's no accountability. It's a
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  Speaker 1: forever tax. Don't do it. And yet, the majority of
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  Speaker 1: people don't use it. It passed. And when it passed,
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  Speaker 1: you have WRTA that has all of this money coming
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  Speaker 1: in every year, and they've got to figure out how
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  Speaker 1: do we spend $ 11, $ 12 million a year. Oh, let's
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  Speaker 1: rip down the bus garage that we had and build
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  Speaker 1: a brand new one, and let's make it bigger. Let's
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  Speaker 1: buy some of these electric buses. Every year they've got
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  Speaker 1: to figure out how to spend this stuff because that's
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  Speaker 1: their biggest problem. Just as I said, you take a
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  Speaker 1: look at your library. The library system has– now, this
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  Speaker 1: is property tax money. They have more property tax money
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  Speaker 1: coming in that they know what to do with. It's
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  Speaker 1: okay with them to take $ 20- something million. and fix the
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  Speaker 1: library in downtown Youngstown to go down and modify that.
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  Speaker 1: But by God, we're not going to put money into
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  Speaker 1: the Poland library that people want to keep around, the
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  Speaker 1: people in the community of Poland that love that beautiful
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  Speaker 1: facility that's just a beautiful facility. that hasn't been maintained
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  Speaker 1: over the years like it should have been, as government
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  Speaker 1: often does, but lack of maintenance. So the people of
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  Speaker 1: the area want that building for its historic value and
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  Speaker 1: its beauty to be maintained. But the library says, no,
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  Speaker 1: we don't want to do that. It's going to be
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  Speaker 1: cheaper to just go build a new one because we've
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  Speaker 1: got all this money coming in. We'll go build a
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  Speaker 1: new building and then– We won't have to worry about
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  Speaker 1: all these maintenance problems. Well, I make the argument, you
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  Speaker 1: folks at the library, if you put a new air
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  Speaker 1: conditioning system in a polling library, you're not going to
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  Speaker 1: have to worry about that if you do the maintenance
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  Speaker 1: on it for another 10 or 15 or 20 years.
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  Speaker 1: You follow me? In other words, they have all this
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  Speaker 1: money coming in that people pass. They don't know what
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  Speaker 1: to do with. That's why I agree with you, and
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  Speaker 1: I say it publicly. I will not vote. in November
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  Speaker 1: for the MRDD levy. It is a ridiculous amount that
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  Speaker 1: they're asking for. It's ridiculous. And if I lived in Canfield,
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't vote for the school levies. I think you
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  Speaker 1: should save your money, your property tax money, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to tell you folks this. I personally believe that
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  Speaker 1: you should save your property tax money for one sacrifice
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  Speaker 1: that you have to make. You want to know what
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  Speaker 1: that is? You're policing fire. I think when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to buying new fire trucks are expensive, new police cars
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  Speaker 1: are expensive. I think that those are the only levies, really,
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  Speaker 1: that in most cases are absolute necessities that benefit you.
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  Speaker 1: are worth the sacrifice outside of that. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: the rest of it. I think the rest of this
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  Speaker 1: stuff is pissing so much of your money away. It's
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  Speaker 1: a disgrace and you should be ashamed of yourself that
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  Speaker 1: you ever voted for some of this stuff. If you did,
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  Speaker 1: how many.
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  Speaker 3: Years you've been married? Seriously?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, 35. You asked me that question.
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  Speaker 3: How many times have you and your family gone to
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  Speaker 3: Mill Creek park to have a picnic?
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  Speaker 1: I don't think we ever have.
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  Speaker 3: I know you haven't. People in Sebring, they don't even
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  Speaker 3: know where Mill Creek Park's at.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's just ridiculous. Totally, absolutely ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you've got to ask yourself. It's a great asset.
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  Speaker 3: Also, if you go to the Austintown Library and Canterbury Library,
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  Speaker 3: the shelves are half full.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, here's another thing I think you're incorrect on.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, oops.
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  Speaker 3: About if the economy's stupid. Who do you say that was?
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  Speaker 1: James Carville.
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  Speaker 3: No, it was Bill Clinton.
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  Speaker 1: No, it was Carville.
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  Speaker 3: No, Clinton said that, too.
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  Speaker 1: I know, but the guy that advised Clinton of that
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  Speaker 1: was his campaign advisor, James Carville. That's why.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, okay, but he did it. But it's still. Bill
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  Speaker 3: Clinton also, correct?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Carville had to convince Clinton of it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, one thing about Bill Clinton, he balances the budget.
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  Speaker 3: We've got to give him credit. I'll talk to you.
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  Speaker 4: Goodbye.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Goodbye. You're on air.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, Ron, I need you to call your boy Don
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  Speaker 4: and tell him to call me. I can get rid
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  Speaker 4: of three wars.
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  Speaker 2: On this planet.
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  Speaker 1: Call Trump? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Tell him to call me.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, have him. You want the president to call you?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. It'd be worth his time. The Kurds are
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  Speaker 4: fighting Turkey in northwestern Iran. You cut out a big
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  Speaker 4: piece of Iran because they can't fight the U.S. back
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  Speaker 4: right now. Give it to the Kurds. You got the
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  Speaker 4: Jews fighting Palestinians in Israel. You cut off a piece
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  Speaker 4: of southwestern Iran. and make it the new Palestine. And
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  Speaker 4: what's left of the Iranians is so busy defending against
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  Speaker 4: those two idiots that they won't have the time or
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  Speaker 4: money to fight the U.S. and we can say adios.
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  Speaker 1: Would it be all right if I just have Rubio
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  Speaker 1: call you, you know, the Secretary of State? Would that
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  Speaker 1: be all right as opposed to Trump?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Marco's cool. You know, I'll kick it with
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  Speaker 4: Marco for a little while and hook him up with
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  Speaker 4: some of that. You know, but why not? I mean,
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  Speaker 4: didn't the U.N. and British carve up the Middle East
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  Speaker 4: and create all these Arab countries? In, what was that, 19, 18,
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  Speaker 4: 17 or 15, something like that, when the British were
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  Speaker 4: running half of it?
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to text Rubio to make sure he calls you.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, no. But it sounds
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  Speaker 4: like a good idea, right? Because, you know, those Middle Easterners,
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  Speaker 4: they've been fighting each other for thousands of years. And
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  Speaker 4: when they're fighting each other, they don't have the time
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  Speaker 4: or money to fight the U.S.
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  Speaker 3: Or Westerners.
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  Speaker 4: So let them keep doing it.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 4: They're not going to change human nature.
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  Speaker 1: Duly noted.
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  Speaker 4: All right, Rob.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. You're on air.
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  Speaker 5: I think that guy has a pretty good idea. You know,
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  Speaker 5: the enemy of my enemy is what?
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  Speaker 3: My enemy, my friend.
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  Speaker 5: So, about the lady who murdered her three children.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: And I've been listening to it, and the one thing
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  Speaker 5: that really struck me, because everybody can have their opinion
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  Speaker 5: as to postpartum depression, I believe that there should be
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  Speaker 5: a deep dive into how this lady was treated. And
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  Speaker 5: I know there's a lot of HIPAA laws and everything,
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  Speaker 5: but I think that we could learn a lot if
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  Speaker 5: we knew whether, you know, these doctors actually saw her
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  Speaker 5: or just prescribed things over the phone or she was
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  Speaker 5: taking things, you know, because obviously she fell through the cracks.
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  Speaker 5: But the main thing that I heard somebody say that
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  Speaker 5: really impacted me is, how do you feel, you know,
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  Speaker 5: how would you decide she killed her three children? How
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  Speaker 5: would you decide if she killed your three children? And
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  Speaker 5: when I thought about that, I mean, you know, it's
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  Speaker 5: a totally different thing that if she just killed three
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  Speaker 5: of somebody else's children, it'd be a no-brainer. It would
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  Speaker 5: be murder.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I don't think anybody's sitting around thinking that this
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  Speaker 1: woman should be free in society. I mean, I think
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  Speaker 1: that there's no harm in saying, why did she do this?
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  Speaker 1: And was she prescribed drugs that had side effects? Was
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  Speaker 1: her situation ignored or misdiagnosed or mishandled? I mean, there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot going on there. So So she admits that
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  Speaker 1: she killed him, obviously. And the her defense attorney is
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  Speaker 1: basically saying that it's politically incorrect to say this is
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  Speaker 1: basically saying she was nuts at the time she did it.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, she wasn't in her right mind. And I get that,
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  Speaker 5: because I often mean the reason of insanity. Jeffrey Dahmer
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  Speaker 5: is insane, but he knew right from wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Right, but he's saying, should she go to a mental institution,
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  Speaker 1: and then after that go... to jail? I don't think
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  Speaker 1: anybody that's debating it is thinking, oh, we should send
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  Speaker 1: her to a mental institution and she should walk free
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  Speaker 1: in six months. I don't think that's even a possibility.
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  Speaker 5: No, and I mean, if she's not, especially if she's
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  Speaker 5: not still showing signs of mental instability. I mean, she
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  Speaker 5: got rid of the problem. So does she still have
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  Speaker 5: a problem? You know, does the postpartum thing still occur
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  Speaker 5: if you no longer have, you know, young children? I mean,
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  Speaker 5: but the fact that she's in a wheelchair and, I mean,
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  Speaker 5: her life is post. So I would just figure out
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  Speaker 5: what's the best place, what's the cheapest place. To have her,
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  Speaker 5: whether it be in jail or mental, you know, and
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  Speaker 5: because we're going to be taking care of her for
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  Speaker 5: the rest of her life.
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  Speaker 1: Any way you look at it, any way that you
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  Speaker 1: look at it, it's just an absolute tragedy. It's such
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  Speaker 1: a tragedy. I mean, the thought of.
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  Speaker 1: As I've said, as I would say to you, you
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  Speaker 1: can't be in your right mind to do something like
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  Speaker 1: this in the first place, but that doesn't excuse it.
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  Speaker 1: So she killed these three children. And then I got
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  Speaker 1: to get the boss lady on again and, and just
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  Speaker 1: talk about, I have not followed it. Like they, these,
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  Speaker 1: some of these folks have where she was getting help.
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  Speaker 1: And was it, the husband is now suing the medical
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  Speaker 1: providers for malpractice and I think there's, I think, I
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  Speaker 1: think he should help.
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  Speaker 5: It sounds like she was begging for help. He was
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  Speaker 5: doing everything, you know, but, and, and.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, but would you not agree though? Like when, when
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  Speaker 1: people stop the ball, I got to say when, just
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  Speaker 1: from what I've heard, when people say the last person
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  Speaker 1: you should probably leave these three children alone with would
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  Speaker 1: be her. I mean, based on, based on what I've heard,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, uh, You probably wouldn't want your kids left
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  Speaker 1: alone with her when you go to the store, knowing
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  Speaker 1: that you're concerned about her mental state. And you probably,
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  Speaker 1: if you're in the sleep in and out, you'd want
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  Speaker 1: to sleep with one eye open. The whole situation is
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  Speaker 1: just so.
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  Speaker 1: Mental illness is a hard thing to understand, but no
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  Speaker 1: one's saying that she should get a pass from it
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  Speaker 1: or anything like that.
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  Speaker 5: Well, and you know what? Haven't doctors, haven't they been
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  Speaker 5: required to call Child Protective Services and intervene if they
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  Speaker 5: find a suspicious bruise on a child or whatever? I mean,
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  Speaker 5: this woman is telling doctors that she wants to hurt
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  Speaker 5: her kids. Shouldn't there be, you know, how many people...
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  Speaker 5: have had Child Protective Services show up for a simple
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  Speaker 5: thing like letting your kids walk to the playground alone.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I don't think that's the case.
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  Speaker 5: Well, then here you have this situation, which obviously lasted
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  Speaker 5: for a while. Yeah, so I would have to agree
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  Speaker 5: with my one fellow caller that talked about doctors and medications.
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  Speaker 5: They are very quick. to just start prescribing things, don't
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  Speaker 5: fully explain to you side effects, that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 5: You know, sometimes they don't really want, they don't want
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  Speaker 5: to listen or say, you know, that something's wrong, must
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  Speaker 5: be arthritis, must be this, must be that, but they
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  Speaker 5: don't know for sure. Here, take a pill. And I
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  Speaker 5: think we've gotten way too... where the doctors can't spend
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  Speaker 5: much time, they don't really have time to hear what's
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  Speaker 5: going on. They don't know you because they switched jobs,
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  Speaker 5: so they don't know you after 10 years ago. To
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  Speaker 5: have a family doctor is really a blessing to somebody
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  Speaker 5: that you've seen for a long time to get the continuity.
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  Speaker 5: But I think the whole medical situation has changed. And
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  Speaker 5: they have protocol. And if this is high, you prescribe this.
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  Speaker 5: If this is high, you know, they don't. It's just
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  Speaker 5: the way that it is nowadays. And I think that's
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  Speaker 5: what she's been a victim of. And I just have
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  Speaker 5: one other quick thing. The gentleman who intrigued you, who
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  Speaker 5: you asked and you need to know more about him,
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  Speaker 5: he's definitely left the center. And we all knew, and
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  Speaker 5: that's fine, and you take his opinion with a grain
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  Speaker 5: of salt, because I'm sure that's where he comes from,
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  Speaker 5: which side he comes from, and we welcome all points
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  Speaker 5: of view. But he definitely is left. He turns everything into,
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  Speaker 5: what's government going to do for me? They haven't done
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  Speaker 5: anything for me, but I'm not affected, so it didn't
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  Speaker 5: do anything for me. So, I mean, that's a very
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  Speaker 5: leftist point of view, even with tax cuts and all
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  Speaker 5: of that kind of stuff that people do realize, well,
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  Speaker 5: maybe he doesn't pay taxes.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: But he definitely comes from the left. And boy, you
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  Speaker 5: threw him for a loop when you asked him because
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  Speaker 5: you really didn't want to say it. But when you
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  Speaker 5: look at it, And also Fifth Avenue, who got so
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  Speaker 5: upset the other day. I mean, it's freaking out. I
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  Speaker 5: always look at it this. There's facts, and then there's feelings,
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  Speaker 5: and then there's freakouts. And it's usually the left, you know,
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  Speaker 5: has a tough time with facts, usually changes the argument,
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  Speaker 5: changes the topic that you're talking about. I had a
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  Speaker 5: very difficult time. Following that gentleman today, I didn't know
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  Speaker 5: where he was going to land. And then they get
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  Speaker 5: all in their feelings, just like J.J.
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  Speaker 4: Used to.
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  Speaker 5: Think about it, take it personally, and whatever. And the
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  Speaker 5: next thing you know, you've got to freak out. And
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  Speaker 5: they call up, and then they're, I can't listen to
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  Speaker 5: this anymore, this and this anymore. And usually.
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  Speaker 5: It's pretty typical.
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  Speaker 1: All right, thanks. Back with more in a minute. News
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  Speaker 1: Radio 570 WKBN and Ron Firm from the Kingdom of
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  Speaker 1: Mahoning on a hot Wednesday afternoon.
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  Speaker 5: I'm Dr. Cheryl Figliano with the Centers for Health.
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  Speaker 1: Weather and Talk Station 570 WKBN. We've got to get
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  Speaker 1: back to work. News Radio 570 WKBN. Thank you. You're
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  Speaker 1: on the air.
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  Speaker 3: Hello. Hello.
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  Speaker 1: It's Ted the Conservative.
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  Speaker 3: How are you doing today?
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  Speaker 1: Give me some of your thoughts about some of the
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  Speaker 1: thoughts that people have said about this woman's trial and
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  Speaker 1: some of the stuff. Just talk about it a little
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  Speaker 1: bit because you followed it. I mean, I never knew
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  Speaker 1: that when she tried to commit suicide out of the
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  Speaker 1: second story window, you say, second story window, that's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: She dove out head first. That's why she's paralyzed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she was probably, I'm guessing, I mean, her wrists
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  Speaker 2: were slit. Her neck was slit. She's bleeding, trying to
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  Speaker 2: bleed to death on top of the.
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  Speaker 2: Concoction of pills she crushed and swallowed. It probably wasn't
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  Speaker 2: killing her fast enough. So she opened the window and
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  Speaker 2: she just leaned out, I guess is the best way
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  Speaker 2: to describe it, and she went down head first 12 feet.
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  Speaker 2: That's what caused all the damage to the spine and
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  Speaker 2: why she's.
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  Speaker 3: Paralyzed now.
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  Speaker 2: I've spoken about it a few times. I was calling
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  Speaker 2: about something else, but I'll say this first about the safety.
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  Speaker 2: If I was on that jury... I would find her
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  Speaker 2: to be not guilty by reason of insanity and to
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  Speaker 2: have her placed in a medical facility to get the
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  Speaker 2: care she needs. I wouldn't find her guilty on the
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  Speaker 2: charges that the prosecution put forward. I think they could
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  Speaker 2: have done some other things maybe with those charges, but
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  Speaker 2: the way they presented that to the jury, I think
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  Speaker 2: that's why you have... would you call it a deadlock jury?
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  Speaker 2: Because they just can't come to the conclusion to the
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  Speaker 2: charges that the prosecutor wants because they want to eliminate
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  Speaker 2: the mental health aspect of the case. And I don't
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  Speaker 2: think you.
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  Speaker 1: Can do that. Okay, so what should her sentence be then?
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  Speaker 1: So explain to me, if you were on a jury,
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  Speaker 1: you would find her guilty of what?
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  Speaker 2: I would find her not guilty by reason of insanity.
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  Speaker 2: And then what would happen, the state would place her
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  Speaker 2: into a mental facility, not a prison, but a mental
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  Speaker 2: facility where she would stay until God knows when. They
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  Speaker 2: would review her medical history, I guess, annually from what
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: I understand. She wouldn't walk away. Well, I hate to
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: say it this way, but she's never walking away from anything.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, she's in a wheelchair for life. And she's
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: still suicidal and wishes to kill herself. because of what's happened.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: So, I mean, this woman, it's.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Not like she's going to be found not guilty and
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: just go walk away like some goofball said the other
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: day and start giving speeches across the country. She's forever
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: going to be carrying this burden on her chest if
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: she ever gets out of a mental facility. And she
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: probably won't ever get out of a mental facility. That's
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: just my opinion. But I would find her not guilty
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: by reason of insanity. She would go into a state
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: mental health facility where she could probably stay until she dies.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: But she wouldn't be.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: In a prison.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: And I wouldn't put her in a prison, because she's
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: not going to get the help she needs in prison.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: And that's after.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Listening to the entire case. I told you I listened
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: to it on an audio replay back. So I've listened
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: to every minute of every argument. Most people, most of
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: your callers have not done that. I know the boss
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: lady spoke to the other day where when she first
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: talked about it, she hadn't had.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: All the information.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: And then she did a deep dive one night and
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: she read everything and got caught up. And I think
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: her and I are on the same page. No one
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: is disregarding the fact that she killed her three children.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: That's not an issue here. The issue is the mental
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: sanity part of the case. And that's what makes it
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: so hard for everyone. You know, there's people that think,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: like you said the other day, they think she just
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: jumped out of a window to try to land on
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: her feet. You know, I don't know. The sad part
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: is the world we live in today, and that's why
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: one of the reasons I'm calling you, you know, social
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: media might just be the death of America. And it's
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: so polluted, if that's the right word to use. I
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: used to be on it a lot many, many years ago.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Now I don't get on it very much because I
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: just think it's just.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: It's just a place where people go to rot. You know,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: and you've got some people that think everything that they
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: read on social media is the truth. You've got some people,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: like you like to say, they want to advertise that
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: they took a walk in the park today. They want
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: to tell you they're in the hospital, went to the doctor.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: You know, those kind of people need mental help, too,
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: I think. Anyone that wants to share... The details of
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: their life, minute by minute on social media, need some help.
• 21:58
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  Speaker 1: the Conservative. So you've paid attention to it, this situation.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: And so you're saying if you were on a jury,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: you would find her guilty by reason of insanity and
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: she'd go to a mental institution.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Not guilty.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, she'd go to a mental institution, but she shouldn't
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: be free in three years to go wandering around.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Correct, correct. That would be for medical providers to decide
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: the rest of her life, what she's able to do
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: safely and not safely. But, you know, I'm just being honest.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: In my opinion, I don't think she'll ever leave a
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: mental facility. But I think that's where she belongs, not
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: in a prison.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Do you think the... medical system and the people around her.
• 24:27
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• 25:35
  Speaker 1: All right, there you have it. Slow weather advisory, 4.38
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: in the afternoon. So I want to get back to this.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously she killed her three kids and she
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: admits that she killed her three kids. She was, you know,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: the stuff that I just briefly read, she was a nurse,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: a labor.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Nurse.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: And do you think the people.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: And from what the mother-in-law says, She was an amazing mother.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: The mother-in-law says her husband's mother.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, her husband's mother, her mother-in-law. Her husband is no
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: longer with her. Her mother-in-law testified she was an amazing
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: mother to those children.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: So what do you think happened to her?
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: I think that she was not treated properly in my opinion.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: I'm not a doctor, but I did sleep at a
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Holiday Inn last night.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Does that work?
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: I just think she wasn't... I don't think she saw
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: the best care provider she could have seen. She saw
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: a woman who was two months out of her residency,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: and she saw another doctor in between there and another doctor,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: and I think The right hand didn't know what the
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: left hand was doing. Unlike the United Kingdom, our medical
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: system is a lot different because of the HIPAA laws.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: So believe it or not, if you go to three
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: different doctors, they're at three different institutions. Let's say one's
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: at Mercy Health, one's at Akron Hospital, one's at Pittsburgh Hospital.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: They can't see each other's records because of HIPAA laws.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: And I've learned that whereas like in the U.K., for example,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: they have a different kind of medical system where If
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: I see a doctor at three unrelated institutions, in other words,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: different providers, different networks, different systems, their system still integrates
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: all those medical lists. So they could read what the
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: other doctors have said, done.
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: And provided.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: We don't have that in America because of the HIPAA law.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the case. If you go
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: get a test... I think your doctor can read.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. My doctor needs me to sign a release form
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: for him to get those records because it's not from
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: the system or hospital that he deals with. Like my
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: doctor deals with Mercy. I go to any Mercy doctor,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: he can see anything that happens.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: So if you go to St. E's and then you
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: go to a doctor around here, he's going to be
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: able to see what's going on so that they can
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: get your whole picture of care, right?
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Yes. Not exactly, from what I've learned.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: They don't get everything.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: They've got to request documents. They've got to have the
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: patient sign a consent form to have those documents released
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: to them. It's just like, you know, you go into
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: one doctor down the street who doesn't know the other
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: doctor up the street exists. You follow me? So there's
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: not an interchangeable system where all the records are provided.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Part of that's surreal.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: It's very complicated. I just don't think she got the
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: care she needed. And I'm not saying that there was
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: proper care to be given other than locking her up,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: which she tried to do. They tried to get her
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: admitted numerous times, and they wouldn't accept her.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, how many times?
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Now, who tried to get her admitted? Her husband?
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Herself and her husband tried to get her admitted. To
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: an inpatient facility.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: And they wouldn't accept her?
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: They wouldn't accept her because of the medication she was on,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: which sounds crazy. That's like the suicide hotline. You shouldn't
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: have to call a suicide hotline more than once to
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: tell them you want to kill yourself and harm your children.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: You did it twice and they turned her away two times.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Explain that to me. I mean, that doesn't make any
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: sense to me. You're saying she could... called a suicide
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: hotline to say what? She was going to do what?
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: She called a suicide hotline on two occasions according to
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: testimony and the hearing that she wanted to commit. She
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: was calling them for help. Help me, I want to
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: kill myself.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: And what did they do? Hang up on her? I mean,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: what did they do on this?
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: To be honest with you, I don't know. I don't
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: remember all the details. It's all blurry to me. I
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: listen to this stuff. But they basically didn't help her.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: They turned her away and told her to call someone else, basically.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Well, who else are you going to call?
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: So there was a breakdown in the medical system. There's
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: a break. The suicide hotline definitely didn't do her any help.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: So it's not a cut-and-dry case. It's so complex. There's
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: so many layers. It's like peeling an onion, you know?
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Just like, you know, and you can't get bits and
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: pieces off social media and people who think, people that
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: aren't lawyers who think they're lawyers spreading misinformation. It's really complicated.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: It's sad. It's sad. There's no other way to say it.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: I feel bad. My heart breaks for that woman. My
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: heart breaks for her husband. because I can't judge him
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: on anything he's done because I can't imagine the trauma
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: and the loss he went through. So it's easy to
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: sit here and say, well, why did he leave or
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: why did he run off? I don't think I'd leave
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: my wife and run off and then end up marrying
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: someone else, but that's what he did. I can't judge
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: him because I can't imagine what he's gone through. My
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: guess is he's going to, by doing what he did,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: by running off, getting married again, my guess is that
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: he didn't deal with it. He hasn't dealt with that
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: trauma himself the way he should have And he's probably
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: going to be screwed up for the rest of his life, too,
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: just like his wife. But I'll be shocked if the
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: jury comes to agree with it, other than a hung jury.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: Why?
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you conclude that the jury would come to
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: the opinion you've reached?
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Well, because you need 12 people to think that, number one.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: They'd have to all agree to. And that seems to
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: be a big problem for them to agree to anything. Um,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: number two, I don't think that the charges as they're
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: laid out will come. There'll be no agreement on any
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: of the charges. I think some people think because of
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: the fact there's three bodies that she has to be
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: guilty of something. I just think it's, I think the
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: prosecution made this, I think they could have done a
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: lot better job. They testified endlessly. So many exhibits, so
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: many witnesses, so many of their own witnesses, um, had
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: contradicting diagnoses of her. They put one guy on the
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: stand who was a joke. I forget what his name was.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: So they made this a lot more complicated than it
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: needed to be, probably for political reasons. You know, they
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: overcharged her and they thought, well, we'll just throw all
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: this crap at her and something will stick to the wall.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: But I think when you're dealing with mental health like this,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: it's just a different story. It's not a cut and
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: dry case. It's not like, you know, I pulled a
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: gun and shot this guy in the corner and you know,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: take me to court and walk me up. There's just
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: so many layers. It's just complicated.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Well, but.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: I think there's a hung jury, and they will file
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: charges again. I have no doubt about that. And I
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: do think what you'll see is when they go back
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: to retry her, I think you're going to see a
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: whole different set of charges. You're going to see the
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: evidence presented in a much more compact way, very clean, not...
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: what they just did here with these two women that
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: were prosecuted in the first case. So I think she
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: can be re-prosecuted maybe and get a guilty plea with
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: some different charges and different presentation of evidence. But her
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: attorney did a heck of a job, too. So, you know,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: you can't throw out that mental health issue. So I
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: don't know. But I think this jury, the way it
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: all went down, this will be a hung jury. And
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: I said that from day one.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: I told my wife.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Well, does it surprise you that it would be a
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: hung jury based on your saying you followed it, you
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: listened to it, and based on that, you've reached this conclusion?
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: What makes you think that? Well, of course, you don't know.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: The vast majority of people on that jury might have
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: reached the same conclusion you did, and there's one holdout.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: You don't know what the breakdown is.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't know.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: It could be one holdout, two.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: That's what I want to know. Is there one person
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: holding out? Is there two, three? Is it split 50-50?
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: You know, something else one of your callers said the
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: other day, which I'm disagreed with once I heard some
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: jury consultants talking. He said, oh, it's the women in
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: the jury. They'll never find her guilty because they're all women.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: And I listened to two jury consultants, two female jury
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: consultants the other night, and it was interesting because their
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: take on it was just the opposite. As professional jury consultants,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: they do this for a living. They said, you don't
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: want a woman on that jury because a woman is
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: going to think especially if she's a mother, if she
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: has her own children, she's not going to be able
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: to reconcile anything other than you killed your children, you
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: need to be punished. And they're, you know, very hard
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: to sway a woman from that. Who's had, who's had
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: that mother instinct. Who's been a parent, raised a kid,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: gave birth to a child. You know, how can you
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: kill your child? They don't, women will have a much
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: harder time finding a not guilty. Whereas a guy, you know, eh,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: She's insane. She's crazy. Well, you know, she needs help.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: So it's interesting. It's going to be interesting to play
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: out because the average person thinks, oh, the women are
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: going to cut her slack. And the jury consultants say
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: just the opposite, that a woman is going to judge
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: her more harshly than a man is going to judge her.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: So I think it's going to be interesting to find
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: out where the jury is and if it's just one person,
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: is it multiple people? You know, it's going to be interesting.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: It's funny because I've been watching this for so long
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: and really didn't get a lot of news coverage. And
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: then just recently, it's kind of blown up now to
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: be a big thing.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Like I say, until it was you that told me
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: on the air, I mean... I heard so many people saying, oh,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: jumped out of a second story window trying to kill herself.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: What a load of crap that is. But you were
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: the one who told me she jumped out like a
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: diving board head first, not feet first.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: She didn't even dive out. She just leaned over and
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: fell out head first.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: And that's why she's paralyzed, because she hit like a
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: diving board, went boom, your head right into the ground.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how much she weighs. She looks
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: like a small woman, maybe 125 pounds. But imagine... dropping
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: a sack of potatoes out of a window, 125-pound sack.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Imagine the thump when those things hit the ground.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Imagine how that had hurt. Imagine that you're now sitting there.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, imagine that you're sitting there and you're paralyzed.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, it affects you going to the bathroom. You're
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: paralyzed basically from the waist down. She has two.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Nurses with her every day in court because.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: She can't go to the bathroom.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: Very hard.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, can't go to the bathroom. I mean, it's just
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: a horrible way. She has no bodily, no control over
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: bodily functions. I mean, it's just a mess. So people
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: that think she's just going to walk away and live
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: a good life, they don't know the facts. It's just bad. But, yeah,
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: two full-time nurses with her every day in the courtroom. But, hey,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: two things I want to run up the flagpole before
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: I leave, because I'm not going to talk until October
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: after today.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: One.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: All this crazy noise, and it's funny because I just
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: heard something on the commercial about data centers. All these
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: politicians are against data centers now. And data centers didn't
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: become a big issue until conversations started circulating on social media.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: They're everywhere. We got them all over. We got them
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: in Youngstown now. Listen to it. I read a good article,
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: and I can't remember where I read it, and I
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: can't find it again. So I'm going to have to
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: do some work. And maybe G2 could touch in on it.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: So do you remember the Russia disinformation attacks on our
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: national election? Yes.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: And I remember and I think I know where you're going,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: where they're saying China has been participating in social media
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: disinformation campaigns against data centers. They've actively been doing it
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: so that they can cause this controversy to win the
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: data center race.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Yep. They want the data. They want to control
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: the data centers.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: They want that.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: To control the world. And I don't know if it's
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: true or not, but it's really interesting, and it makes
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: you think it makes sense, doesn't it?
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes, it does. I heard that the other day
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: as well, that they are trying to influence.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: They are aggressively sending out disinformation.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: About data centers to try to cause the controversy that's
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: happening so that they can win this battle. As far
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: as it.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Seems like it's working because every politician just cares about
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: getting reelected. And that's the one thing that Democrats and
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Republicans now agree on. Oh, we can't have any data centers.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: They're bad. So that tells you that data centers are
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: probably good and we should have them. Right. If the
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: politicians are against it, we should be for it. Now,
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: the last thing I got to tell you. Got to
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: say this just to upset you before I hang up
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: and leave. Perception is reality, right? Our perception of the
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: world is reality. Our perception right now is that Donald
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Trump is destroying our economy. That doesn't mean it's actual.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: A year ago, to my surprise, gas was $ 3.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: 20 a gallon. I don't know if it was a year.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: I remember when it was $ 2. 50 not that long ago.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Well, you have to go back to the... start of
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: the war.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: It was $ 2. 80 a year.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Stand by. I'll let you finish your thought. Then I'll
• 39:36
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• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Call 844-844-IHEART. Ron Verb, it's always a pleasure to check
• 39:45
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• 39:48
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• 39:51
  Speaker 1: places where you just have to go because you never
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: know what bargains that they get in. And can I
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: tell you something? If you're looking for lumber, 2x4, 2x6, plywood,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: anything you want, they store it the right way in
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: pole barns. They load it for you. You don't have
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: to sort through a pile looking for a straight one.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Let's start with what you're known for. Great lumber, right, Mike?
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: Great lumber.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: We store it properly.
• 40:11
  Speaker 8: We order good material. If you're in a project, need
• 40:15
  Speaker 8: good stuff, you've got to stop and check it out.
• 40:17
  Speaker 8: And that's the key thing, Ron. You've got to visit
• 40:20
  Speaker 8: us here. You've got to come in, walk around. Inventory's
• 40:22
  Speaker 8: always changing. We have everything you need.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Whether that's composite decking, whether that's Anderson windows, whether
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: that's Silver Creek cabinets, from top to bottom, where are
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: you located and what's your phone number?
• 40:35
  Speaker 8: We're at 250 Railroad Street in Canfield. Phone number 330-533-2211.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Bernard Daniels, right there on Railroad Street in Canfield. Replace
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: your old 570 WKBN. Ron Verp, News Radio 570 WKBN, 455. So,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: what was your point?
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: I'm going to end this with a question to you,
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: and I want your opinion, because I think this is
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: a bigger question. We're all caught up in... this whirlwind
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: of our perception of the world that we're in right now. Gas,
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: like I said, and I heard this on one of
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: your commercial breaks yesterday.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: There was one of them.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know who does your news breaks anymore. I
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: forget if it's ABC, CBS. Someone, one of the news
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: breaks yesterday.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: They said- Well, I got news for you. It's Fox
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: News now, all right? So anyway.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, so they said gas was $ 3. 20 a year ago.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: So just using that. I don't want to dirty the water.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: So gas is 43 cents more than gas. We know
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: under Trump, inflation is much lower than it was under Biden.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: And we know that COVID destroyed our economy. I don't
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: even know what you call the money. The refund checks
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: or whatever you want to call the COVID checks, that
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: money that they threw into the economy that upset the
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: shopping cart. And then we had four years of Biden policy.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: And now, even though the war is going on, inflation
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: is somewhat under control. even whether it's below 2% or
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: below 3% above 3%. So the bigger question for you.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: Is, I don't care.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: I believe that as long as Trump is an officer,
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: a Republican officer, they'll do a better job of fighting
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: inflation because of the policies that drive it. Whereas Democrats,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: they're going to want to spend a heck of a
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: lot more money, as we see in the act in doing,
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: and inflation would probably grow, the attack on fossil fuels,
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. So my bigger question is, Well,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: we're in a tailspin, right? I would say we're in
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: an economic tailspin that started in 2020. Will we ever
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: get out of it? And if so, when? Because we're
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: never going to get a decrease in prices. We don't
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: want deflation, right? So I think it's easy to say
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: the cost of living under Joe Biden probably went up 50%
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: if you take inflation and everything not counted into inflation.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: And we're not going to go back to the way
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: things used to be.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: Whatever.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: It's just reality. So will we ever get out of
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: this tailspin? Or is this the beginning of the end
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: of our economic journey where we are going to see
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: not only a recession but maybe a depression in a
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: few years? That's my question.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: What do you think?
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Can we get out of this tailspin? I don't know.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: You know, when a plane's falling from the sky and
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: it's in a tailspin, it usually doesn't get out of
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: that tailspin until it crashes and burns. So do we
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: need to crash and does the economy need to crash
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: and burn in order for us to recover?
• 43:42
  Speaker 8: I don't know.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Because inflation's under control.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: I don't think inflation's under control. I think the economy's
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: in a very troubled situation right now, and I don't
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: think inflation's under control.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: I think the new normal for inflation.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Is probably 3%. I don't think that's a new normal
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: at all. I think that's abnormal.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: So you think we can get inflation back to 2%?
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: I think you've got to get it under 2%, yes.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Ted. Have a good time. I've got to
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: go back after this. Mike Rowe here with another random fact.