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Victims at risk as Police grant Bail to other Police · The Slippery Slope

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  Hi, Jay Fallon, thanks for listening to the Slippery Slope.
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  Look, I've been away for a couple of weeks.
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  I've been do doing too much when it comes to podcasting or
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  anything like that, but have a good couple of weeks off doing
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  other things, getting back into kind of regular life after.
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  Anyway, it's it's been a good couple of it's been a good month
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  anyway. One thing I did notice while I
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  was away when I was down the southeastern corner was that
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  Queensland seems to be suffering from a little bit of confusion
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  and inability to make a decision.
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  A government. I don't know what's what's up
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  with their new governments, but you look at what's going on with
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  the the games, the upcoming Games, you know, and was it
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  2032? I don't know it.
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  It just seems like we have been able to, we're not able to make
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  any decent decisions or any decisions that seem to make a
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  lot of sense anyway. And when I look at what happened
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  with the Cyclone wannabe cycling, whatever the heck it
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  was Alfred, it just seems like people just don't or do not have
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  the ability to think wisely. That's what it seems like to me.
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  Everyone freaks out. The thought this, the word
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  cyclone possibly striking your area means the whole area just
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  goes nuts, Absolutely nuts. No, no one prepares for anything
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  early. Apparently Everyone thinks that
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  they need to go out and just buy everything in Woolworths and
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  goals. You know, absolutely pouring
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  down with rain, torrential rain, cyclonic winds.
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  People are driving. You're flipping idiots if you're
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  doing it, But sorry, you are. I just don't understand.
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  It's like from the government down to the general public, it's
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  like we just, we've just lost it as a state.
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  Anyway, that was just a bit of an observation I made.
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  I really wanted to talk about this article or this news
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  report. I would have posted something
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  about it if you want to read it. Sorry, listen to it, probably
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  Jay, listen to it without me saying anything, but we're going
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  to go through this report and this is regarding police in NSW
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  who are being released, who are getting charged with domestic
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  violence offences and they're being released without any bail
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  conditions. So other police officers are
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  putting them through the process these and then releasing them
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  without bail conditions. Would have thought.
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  There's been so much, so many issues, so much public uproar
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  about police investigating police, police not doing the
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  right thing when looking at well, when investigating other
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  police, when charging other police.
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  And yet they're still doing this.
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  These actions are still being taken.
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  This is outrageous, absolutely outrageous.
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  The arrogance of the police officers who who are allowing
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  them to do it, the arrogance of the police who are going through
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  the process and saying, well, we're going to release you and
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  not putting any bail conditions on here.
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  And they think that's OK. Let's we'll look at this video
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  together. It's like I said, it blows my
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  mind that NSW Police think this is OK.
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  Constable Reuben Timperley is accused of repeatedly assaulting
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  and intimidating his former partner, but he was set free by
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  his NSW Police colleagues earlier this year without any
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  bail conditions as he fights the charges.
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  I don't think I ever saw a case where somebody was charged with
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  domestic violence offences, certainly of this nature
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  without. Just say, First off is that when
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  I was doing general duties and dealing with domestic violence
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  issues, I, I cannot remember any time that you would even
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  consider. I actually don't even think
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  because it's been a while since I did any kind of domestic
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  violence handling domestic violence because I was anyway.
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  So I don't think you're even allowed to release people
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  without some kind of bail conditions.
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  Not that I can ever recall, especially if it would have been
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  a police officer. There's no way.
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  But so I don't understand how they're even given the option to
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  do this in NSW. And this is what the it's even
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  worse from what the magistrates saying, you know, with, with
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  what's actually happened. How are they even?
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  How do they think it's this is a viable action to take?
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  Without having bail conditions, it's extraordinary.
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  Let's go back. Without having bail conditions,
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  it's extraordinary, it's very unusual.
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  He's 1 of 42 NSW police officers who have been charged with
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  domestic violence offences since January 2023.
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  Of those, ten were refused bail by police, fourteen were placed
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  on conditional police bail and 18 avoided bail conditions
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  altogether. Among those granted police bail
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  was former Senior Constable Jordan Weston in late 2023,
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  despite his former partner expressing fears for her safety.
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  He was later convicted of repeatedly assaulting, stalking
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  and intimidating his victim. Assaulting, stalking, and
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  intimidating his victim. You gutless.
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  Look at this. The face mask, the face mask,
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  the COVID face mask. Gutless.
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  You're you're strong enough to go on, you know, hit your lady
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  but can't face can't show your face in public gutless.
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  Anyway, it's. Absolutely crucial that those
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  who are in relationships with police officers feel that they
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  have the same protection as the rest of the community for that
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  key danger period between investigation, charging and
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  court. Former magistrate David Hilpern
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  is calling for an overhaul of the system to ensure police
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  officers are not making vital decisions about their own
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  colleagues bail status. He says instead they should be
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  made by the Director of Public Prosecutions Office.
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  Investigations should be at arm's length because there's an
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  inherent conflict of interest between where where police are
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  investigating police, especially, as we know, with the
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  kind of culture that exists. In Victoria, bail decisions
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  about police officers are only made by the assistant
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  commissioner with the Professional Standards Command
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  and the process is overseen by the state's police watchdog.
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  We're open minded to that in New South Wales.
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  Just for a second, Karen Webb, absolute disgrace as a police
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  commissioner. But they're open minded, Open
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  minded. Like I said, it's hard to fathom
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  how they can justify the the police are given the ability to
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  decide on bail conditions for other police officers.
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  How how are you open minded to changing it?
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  It should just be cut and dry. Yes, this should not be
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  happening. And we're going to see that this
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  changes, OK, Even if the police, even if the police just put out
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  their own policy and change it so that even if they just start
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  off like that, how is she even allowed?
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  How is she just standing there with a straight will be a
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  crooked neck face saying, you know, we're open, we're open.
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  It shouldn't be open. Just change it, lady.
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  That's all it's it blows me away that they can't come to this
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  decision without being pressured by the media and you know, these
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  decisions, obviously police should not be making these
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  decisions. We need to have a change in
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  general within Australia when it comes to police handling
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  investigations of other police. There needs to be general change
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  across the nation at. The moment we comply with the
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  Bail Act and apply by the Bail Act objectively.
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  Attorney General Michael Daly would not comment on whether he
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  would consider any changes to the bail Act.
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  Leah Harris, ABC News, Sydney. So the NSW government still
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  doesn't even want to make a firm decision and say yes, we'll be
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  decisive, we're going to change the legislation, please should
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  not be able to do this. It's it's disgusting that this
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  in this day and age with the amount of coverage that we've
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  had media coverage with high profile domestic violence
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  murders, that they could even consider that this is what, you
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  know, police are able to make these kinds of decisions, police
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  and it's for the benefit of police themselves, you know, so
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  that they can be seen. The public have lost trust, have
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  lost faith in our police nationwide.
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  So it would behove police in all states to not put themselves in
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  this situation where police are able to make these kinds of
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  decisions on behalf of other police.
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  You want to be able to put yourself above the fray, Say no,
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  OK, you know, we shouldn't be able to do this.
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  We want public trust. We want the public to be able to
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  have some faith in US. Obviously, the public faith has
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  been at its lowest, I think, in decades, in decades.
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  We want to be able to restore this faith, restore the trust in
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  police and show that we can make the right decisions.
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  And we don't even want to put police in that situation where
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  they feel that they can maybe police just, you know, they're,
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  they're well, I know this fellow, he's a good guy,
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  whatever. And they come up with excuses.
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  You know, he wouldn't really come along and, and, and go out
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  and commit further domestic violence offences.
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  And so they want to give the fellow officer benefit of the
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  doubt. You wouldn't, you need to be
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  able to take that option off the table.
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  So police aren't even put into that situation.
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  They say, well, no, we're not even allowed to do this.
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  These are the bail conditions. Or better yet, no, you know, the
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  head of public prosecutions or something.
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  Someone else will make that decision.
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  It shouldn't be in the ball court for police to be even make
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  in the 1st place. I cannot believe that NSW
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  governments and the NSW Police Commissioner cannot just come
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  straight out and say Yep, this is wrong, it shouldn't be
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  happening and we're going to make changes straight away.
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  Straight away absolutely useless and but unfortunately Karen
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  Webb, probably my opinion, my opinion only one of the most
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  feckless and once anymore, but not a good police commissioner.
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  She's anyway not a great police commissioner.
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  Extremely indecisive and NSW government as you know.
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  Where are you? Where are you in your thinking?
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  We need to be able to protect domestic violence victims a lot
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  better. I just can't believe that.
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  Well, I shouldn't say I can't believe, I can't believe it.
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  I think it's disgusting that NSW government cannot just come out
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  and make a firm decision, say hey, this should not be
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  happening. We see the we see the poor
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  decisions that human resources that recruitment have made
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  across States and territories across this nation.
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  They've really lowered the standard for police recruitment
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  and things need to change. Things really do need to change
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  in the states, in the territories.
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  We need to stop giving police officers the benefit of the
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  doubt. We've seen way too many bad
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  decisions coming within all police States and territories,
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  and something needs to happen, Something needs to change.
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  But it seems like in a whole nation at the moment, our
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  federal government, our state government, within police, all
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  police jurisdictions across the nation, no one is able to make
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  rational, rational decisions. I don't know what's going on.
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  I think it's personally, I think it's spiritual.
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  But yeah, common sense decisions seem to be out the window.
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  This is all my opinion. Let me know what you think.
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  I think it's his poor form across the board in NSW.
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  Let me know what you think. I'm Jay Fallon check out my
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