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War in the Middle East: Propaganda, False flags, and the drive toward third temple politics · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  Thanks for joining us today.
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  This is the Nurses Report with Nurse Gail McCray.
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  And in the midst of the insanity of everything going on in the world around us today, I felt inspired to try and bring on some grounded voices with a lot of background and information about what's actually going on in the Middle East right now to try and piece together some of the things we're hearing and get a little closer to the truth.
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  So with me today, I am joined by Mark and Gunner.
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  These two guys host a podcast, a Substack called the Truth Expedition.
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  And beside being friends of mine, Mark was a former respiratory therapist and a dad.
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  And then a medical freedom advocate.
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  He was thrust into the action of speaking out after the mandates for vaccines.
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  He led uh efforts in Minnesota and organized multiple rallying events with tens of thousands of people.
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  And he continues to research various uh flows within our government, which has led him to meet Gunner.
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  Uh Gunner, which is the co-host, um discusses things on their substack, like the propaganda and links to 9-11, uh as well as government propaganda around all of the things that we have been through in our lifetimes.
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  Gunner uh authored the uh Middle East debrief series, which outlines the Arabic uh escalation in the world today.
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  So that's really at the foundation of why it's so important to have these two come on and give us some more background about what we actually know about what's going on in the Middle East and uh where we might be headed from here.
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  So, with that being said, I'd love to hear from both of you about uh how you two met, how you ended up um really deep diving into this content and how uh you believe um we can move forward from here with this knowledge.
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  We appreciate the opportunity, Gail.
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  Um so yeah, none of this was in the cards for me ever.
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  You know, I I just wanted to be a respiratory therapist and a dad, and I never sought any attention whatsoever.
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  I I like just being quiet and going unnoticed, and um you know, I was afraid of the future for my children.
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  What up what the lies we were seeing during COVID were just too much for me to handle and to sit back and stay on the couch and I'd look at my kids and I even get emotional about it now, like, no way, I'm not gonna allow this to happen if I can do anything about it.
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  So, you know, had rallies, all it really just became a whirlwind for me.
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  I don't know how it all happened, but um advocated for um you know medical freedom, ran for office, and shortly after my run for office.
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  I know Gunnar had been kind of following what I was doing in the background, and we were neighbors at the time uh or in the same town, and Gunner reached out to have a good discussion, and we actually got together on 9-11 2023 and sat down, had coffee um and discussed a lot of what was happening in the world, and um the things Gunner was telling me, I was kind of aware of um geopolitical Zionism and how the Middle East is you know, uh a very important uh place, the things going on in the world, and he basically kind of told me what was going to happen, and it is all happened.
• 4:52
  Um, so um, we immediately hit it off.
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  Gunner, um, I I invited him right then to join me on my podcast to do interviews, and we started a sub stack, and uh, we're still here today.
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  And you know, I I started in medical freedom, still an important topic.
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  I still fight for that.
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  I still try to fight for accountability for all the lies we were told, but there's more um fraud and lies in this world, and now we've got a war, and I would say before I hand it over to Gunner Um, the first casualty of war is the truth.
• 5:26
  And so we need to do what we can, seek out those voices to try to determine what is actually going on.
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  But I'm so grateful for everything Gunner has done to teach me and to teach our audience.
• 5:43
  Yeah.
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  That's uh Yeah.
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  So I just remember meeting Mark, um, following him on Facebook.
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  It was the day of the vote for his um office locally, he ran for house.
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  And I remember watching him walk out of a grocery store with his kids in hand and just thinking how brave he was.
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  I was like, this guy really is legitimate.
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  And so a couple months go by, and I reach out to him and say, let's get coffee.
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  And um, we were chatting, and this was a month before October 7th happened.
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  I was kind of telling him some of the things that I think about Abrahamic eschatology and how that's gonna drive our future, especially the next 10, 20 years.
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  Um we used to own a hotel here in town, and we had people stay with us from around the world, and I very quickly grew to enjoy different cultures and people.
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  Um, I didn't have any reservations about this religion or that culture.
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  I just liked people and liked their food.
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  And so um, as I grew up, um, 9-11 happened to us.
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  I was actually in Australia.
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  I just graduated high school and went to Australia.
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  And the guy that I was staying with woke me up and said uh something happened, and I immediately said another bombing in Israel.
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  He said no in the United States.
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  And since then I knew that there was a lot of propaganda, misinformation, and intelligence operations occurring.
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  I had a fair few friends that signed up that went to Iraq and came back different people.
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  They wonder why they went.
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  Uh, all of these things motivated me because I cared about my friends who went overseas and I cared about uh the people that were also impacted overseas by our operations.
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  Um I went to law school, and that's what really enabled me to ask those types of questions in my mind without there being a police officer, uh, censoring my own thoughts and speech.
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  And that's where things really took off.
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  I began to, with an open mind, really dissect what was occurring in the world, the intelligence operations and our role in it.
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  And it became very it became very clear uh how we could dissect that and that apparatus and begin dismantling it if we had the truth out there.
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  And when I met Mark, we were discussing Third Temple politics, and in fact, on the night of October 6th, I had a friend over, and we were creating AI images, and one of them was the destruction of the temple because that's gonna happen soon.
• 8:19
  Right.
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  And the images that were created were amazing.
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  You can see a lot of them in our substack.
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  Um pictures of the temple blowing up, pictures of Jesus' return.
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  And they're very powerful um pictures.
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  They're very it's very powerful AI art, if you will, but it does depict what's gonna happen.
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  And the next day, of course, we woke up to news of the Al-Aqsa flood and the October 7th false flag attack in Israel.
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  And ever since then, things have just really accelerated pace.
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  We've been waiting for the war in Iran, and of course, now it's here.
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  So there is a lot that we need to do to stay focused, prepared, and to alert people of the dangers, and that's why we're here.
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  Absolutely.
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  Well, I am definitely in good company.
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  I can relate to pretty much everything you both said.
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  Um, my children inspire me too.
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  And uh, that's also why I believe it's so important for us to make sure that we maintain this honest and open dialogue about what's actually happening.
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  I wanted to ask Gunner, um, because I've been wondering about this ever since the October event happened.
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  What do you think about the origins of that event?
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  You know, my husband was a civil engineer uh before he also went to law school after what happened to me in the hospital setting during COVID.
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  And uh, as a civil engineer, he could very easily see that the 9 11 buildings had been um demoed.
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  They it was a
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  Dumo job and uh you know that he studied how to collapse buildings and that was exactly what happened.
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  Um and with that being said, I I feel that there's some kind of tie and connection between the 9-11 job and the October 7th or 8th job and the current Iraq situation, and I don't really know what it is or how to exactly put my finger on it, but I bet that you have a lot more insight on how these pieces all fit together and the significance of the truth in all of that.
• 10:36
  Um October 7th certainly appears to be a false flag situation.
• 10:41
  Now, I think that there is a native and natural want for Palestinians to fight back, and so that that uh desire was fueled by Israeli intelligence.
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  So October 7th happened to land on the end of a Jewish holiday where they where they celebrate victories and war.
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  I forget the particular one, but we can look that up.
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  I can put that in the show notes.
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  But so during this religious holiday, folks were um relaxed, they weren't on edge on guard, and so it was a perfect opportunity then to instigate this event.
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  So we know that the Nova Film Festival was moved a week before closer to the Palestinian border.
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  Um we know that there was at first a stand down order on the uh wall, the apartheid wall in Israel and that separates Gaza.
• 11:43
  The wall itself is equipped with state-of-the-art surveillance, yeah, and they also have like AI machine gun turrets that will kill a bird if it gets too close.
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  So there's a lot of people within Israeli intelligence and the CIA that question how that attack was allowed to happen to such a degree, and then what we see is the aftermath of the Nova Film Festival with destroyed vehicles that are only um you're only able to see that amount of destruction through heavy artillery, like the airplanes that they had, like the helicopters that were shooting at these festival goers, and so now after the fact we know that the Hannibal Directive was deployed, which is an Israeli policy that if someone is going to be kidnapped as a hostage, taken as a hostage, it's best to just blow the whole situation up.
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  No hostages, no terrorists, no negotiations.
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  That is the policy, and it is uh obviously disgusting and terrifying, but we saw it take place.
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  We also saw the telltale propaganda after the fact 40 beheaded babies.
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  That was fake.
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  And it's awful, but that is enough in the moment to allow people to green light the war in the minds of the American public when they hear that type of propaganda, that is sufficient for them to say, yeah, go ahead, blow them all up.
• 13:18
  Then you add on top of that the allegations of um sexual misconduct and that were unfounded, and you actually see that on the other side where the Israelis were committing this stuff against Palestinian prisoners.
• 13:33
  Right.
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  So you see this very questionable event, and one must wonder, well, why?
• 13:40
  Why did they do this?
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  Well, it's because they've had real estate plans drawn up for Gaza for millennia, millennia.
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  They've wanted that land because it's greater Israel, it's promised to them in the Bible.
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  So they feel obligated to take it.
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  October 7th was just another false flag and a long line of false flags that the Mossad and the Israeli government conduct to further their agenda, which is Greater Israel.
• 14:09
  When you look at October 7th and you look at the narrative and how it's been deconstructed, it's very clear now that that was a fabricated event that was orchestrated to uh propel the United States' involvement and to garner the um approval of the American public.
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  I would just like to add before going too much further that Gunnar and I, you know, we often get called anti anti-Semitic or you know, the trope is tossed at us.
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  We are not.
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  We have Jewish friends.
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  This is not this is not about Jewish people.
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  We interviewed on our show a Jewish rabbi who was uh anti-Zionist and then a Jewish rabbi who was pro-Zionist.
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  We just want to, we love everyone.
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  This is not about faith.
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  We don't judge people based on color, ethnicity, or religion, or any of that.
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  Right.
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  We just want to know the truth.
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  And what we do know is Hamas was essentially created by Israel and funded by Israel.
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  Um, they need that.
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  They needed Hamas in order to kind of do what they're doing.
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  And um, we use me mentioned 9-11 and October 7th, and how that might tie together.
• 15:18
  I would invite your viewers to look at a documentary called NUMEC, N-U-M-E-C.
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  And what it is is it really ties um the theft of uranium by the Israelis from the United States um to the assassination of John F.
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  Kennedy to Epstein to 9-11.
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  Um it's really all connected, and it's scary.
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  Um, but it is a fan, it's a fantastic documentary, it's long and thorough, but um everyone should watch it because it gives a really clear understanding of what's happening in the Middle East.
• 15:52
  Right.
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  Yeah, I I mean, just to echo that, I have Israeli family and friends that I'm very close with.
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  And it's interesting to even bring that in because it's it's almost like the media targets this, it's it's like a propaganda hit piece, like anti-Semitism, because anyone who just wants to know the truth ends up being stuck with this label to really censor and destroy our capacity to reach the public.
• 16:25
  And even under that tone, um we aren't really talking about a religion.
• 16:36
  What we're really talking about is the elite class of individuals that masquerades behind certain aspects of this religion in order to use it as a weapon against questioning and also to implement propaganda.
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  And that's really what I what I want I really want the world to start to identify is that this has nothing to do with you know, hate towards any group or um religion or skin color.
• 17:19
  This is really just about finding truth, and it's really just about identifying the root cause of all of the chaos and destruction in the world around us.
• 17:33
  And they're so good at distracting us.
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  That's one thing that I will give the orchestrators of all of the these uh conspiracies is that they successfully implement all of these trigger words like anti-Semitism in uh keeping us afraid and angry, you know, stirring up these emotions when in reality, this is just a conversation about facts and about trying to discover how to protect our loved ones and each other and uh become more authentic and connected.
• 18:12
  I mean, if anything, I I feel like when I watched what happened on the um on October the was it the seventh um I went out and protested with the Jews too because I really do feel for them, you know, like the communities, the people in that country, they're hurt, they're being hurt by the agenda of the elite as much as the rest of us, if not more.
• 18:42
  And that's the part of all of this.
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  It's like they are also the victims.
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  We are all the victims.
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  And so uh, you know, I think that as we peel back the layers of the onion of the propaganda and indoctrination that has kept us away from the truth for so long.
• 19:02
  Um, hopefully more and more people will come to accept this truth that you know, we are all together on this, and there is no no group that hasn't been impacted by Yeah, I'd say the Israelis are just as much propagandized as anyone else in the world.
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  So I think that's a tragedy when we chatted with Rabbi Feldman of Nutyra Carta, he's an incredible human being.
• 19:27
  Natira Carta was um founded in Jerusalem in opposition to colonial Zionism.
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  They understood that God would welcome them them back into the lands, not an operation conducted by force.
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  So they were opposed to colonial Zionism.
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  And I think one of the first questions we asked was that Mark asked was, is anti-Zionism anti-Semitic, and he of course said it's not.
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  There are, you can look this up right now.
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  Now you can go on YouTube and look up 60,000 Orthodox Jews, they fill up a basketball stadium in New York, and all they do is preach against the Zionist state of Israel and how it does not reflect Jewish values.
• 20:14
  So I think that when you look at what the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence are doing, of course, they're following their own interpretation of Judaism.
• 20:26
  It's like Muslim extremists.
• 20:29
  Not all Muslims are like this, but some are.
• 20:32
  Well, what we're dealing with are zealous Zionist extremists that are both evangelical Christians and Jews who are totally on board with this.
• 20:44
  And again, just like there's symbology in all of these religious texts, folks are using the symbology to um liken that to today's events.
• 20:57
  So they're taking a symbology.
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  So now therefore the Iranians symbolize the Persian government or the Persians from the Old Testament.
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  Or the Amalek, which the West is referred to, needs to be destroyed in order to fulfill Messianic Judaism.
• 21:24
  So however we look at this, we're in for a ride, and we need to understand who's in who's in the driver's seat, what they believe, and where they're taking us.
• 21:35
  Because I think if we all knew the destination, we'd be revolting.
• 21:40
  Absolutely.
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  Yeah.
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  And so I guess the next part of this is maybe towards you, Mark, uh the media deceptions and how they have so successfully um, you know, gotten us to believing all of the propaganda and directing us into these areas.
• 22:07
  Uh what do you see as the implications for that in this current situation with Iran and what are some glaring uh um media misdirections and um and set up sabotages that you two have seen right out the gate in the last you know, three, four months now since this has been going on?
• 22:38
  Well, yeah, it's well, the media lies, it's just another, you know, arm of the elites to propagandize us, and you just do not know what you can trust.
• 22:50
  I mean, we're being told 30,000 protesters were killed um by the Iranian regime, but um there are a lot of reports saying that is false, and a lot of it was instigated by Mossad um from Israel to give them an excuse so that we would go along with this.
• 23:09
  And what I'm seeing right now is and I can't determine the truth on this, but we're being told like America and Israel are decimating Tehran and all of Iran and totally dominating.
• 23:22
  But I don't think what we're not being told is that Iran is holding its own as far as bombing Tel Aviv and parts of Israel.
• 23:31
  Now, I don't know how much of this is true.
• 23:33
  Um, Ryan Dawson, who uh who we've had on our show multiple times reports on this, he has um people he knows that are in Iran and Israel, and Israel is being bombed.
• 23:45
  Um but you the Israeli government doesn't allow any video footage out because they want to protect their lives.
• 23:54
  So we, you know, it's it's not unlike COVID, where we were lied to at every corner about just about everything.
• 24:03
  We just don't know.
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  And like I said at the outset of this, the truth is the first casualty of war, and those that are controlling the the narrative are America and Israel right now, and so you really have to dig.
• 24:16
  I mean, wouldn't would you agree, Gunnar, that the 30,000 protesters um probably not true?
• 24:21
  I mean, what are what are you seeing as far as Israel getting hit by Iran?
• 24:25
  That is just another one of those pieces of information that once it hits American ears, then that's sufficient propaganda for them to green light another forever war.
• 24:36
  But so that particular claim originated from an anonymous doctor in Tehran that called around to other medical facilities, asked about the death toll, came up with the figure of 3,000, and then because the Iranian government tends to lie, he 10x'd that.
• 24:55
  So 30,000.
• 24:56
  That's how we came up with that number, and I've heard it repeated everywhere in a way that oh, they've killed 30,000 of their of their people.
• 25:05
  We need to go in and kill more, and that's the justification, or the justification is the Iranian government is responsible for two assassination attempts against Trump's life.
• 25:16
  Nobody believes that, but it's enough um sloppy propaganda that people don't question it.
• 25:25
  The people that are susceptible to it that it resonates with, largely in America, it's the older evangelical or Christian community that just aren't as knowledgeable or aware of all of the propaganda and nonsense that the American government feeds us.
• 25:43
  They still unfortunately have that trust for the government.
• 25:47
  And so while it's um unpleasant that some of our members of the community and good folks hold these beliefs, I am upset with the apparatus that installed those beliefs in their minds.
• 26:01
  That's what Mark and I are fighting.
• 26:03
  Yeah, it's like an emotional triggering, you know.
• 26:07
  And that's what I've come to realize is now whenever I experience anything from the mass media or from any apparatus outside of people that I trust, and it creates some kind of emotional trigger, no matter what it is, if it's anger or sadness or hatred or fear.
• 26:29
  Those triggers, it's almost like my mind now has been trained to be like, wait a minute, this feels like an emotional response that's being drawn out of me, and I should begin to be more skeptical of the information that's being delivered to cause this response because more and more as I become desensitized to it, it becomes more and more clear that it really this is just propaganda and uh and it's not related or linked to any factual information that can um you know give me tools to have healthy thoughts and boundaries about what we believe and where it's coming from.
• 27:17
  So it's it's really challenging uh I'm sure for the older generations because uh they didn't have the same social media tools that we have now to access more truthful information, and even with this, uh this is a radio show, and so I think it goes out all over the world to you know, people who might not be uh on their smartphones as much, and um we might be able to just have some of these conversations about identifying those patterns that the media creates in us in order to facilitate their responses that they want so that they can you know move forward with whatever their agenda is.
• 28:05
  I think at this point in time, people need to realize that we've been lied to for how many wars.
• 28:10
  Okay, so then the CIA, the Pentagon, and the military industrial complex work in concert to propagandize people.
• 28:22
  They have gone into rooms with all sorts of people and tried to MK ultra their minds to create a uh map of the human psyche.
• 28:34
  So now you have this map of human psyche and you know what can motivate people, right?
• 28:39
  And then you work with Hollywood to pre-package these wonderful talking points and graphics that just overwhelm the American mind's senses.
• 28:52
  There's a great documentary um made by Roger Waters who of Pink Floyd called the it's narrated by Roger Waters, but he very much is involved in it.
• 29:03
  But it's called The Occupation of the American Mind.
• 29:06
  And it goes through this um this practice, this concept in detail, and especially as it relates to the media that is in favor of these wars and works in concert with all of the local news, all of the military, the recruiters on our campuses, and they sell this pre-packaged propaganda that is designed to resonate with different types of psychologies.
• 29:38
  If you're a female, college educated, and uh you have a high value for doing what's right emotionally, right?
• 29:47
  You're gonna be incredibly susceptible to this.
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  Other messages of the um war being practical for defining our boundaries, they're gonna resonate with the
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  Older Republican men.
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  And so you have this coming at it from all sides, this clean propaganda.
• 30:10
  And if you look, who's starting to buy up our media and what do they want?
• 30:14
  Well, uh, Keith Ellison, who happens to sponsor my formula, my favorite Formula One team also does these atroatrocious things.
• 30:24
  He bought TikTok, uh, CBS and then installed Barry Weiss.
• 30:28
  So you begin to see the people who want this agenda, Greater Israel, the Third Temple, begin to uh formulate the thoughts of the American mind, and it is incredibly unpalatable as we see it.
• 30:42
  Um, and people are rejecting it, which means two things.
• 30:47
  There's gonna there's gonna be some type of of an awakening, which we see it's spreading like wildfire fire.
• 30:53
  The stuff that Mark and I talked about three years ago, two and a half years ago, we'd have to like whisper like this.
• 30:58
  Yeah, you know, we're like, hey, I think that maybe like APAC has too much control over our government.
• 31:04
  That was like an incredibly incendiary comment.
• 31:07
  Right.
• 31:07
  And it's true, and everyone knows this now.
• 31:10
  Right.
• 31:11
  So the other byproduct of that then is the rug pull moment when it's no longer working, when the elite no longer have perfect control, they're gonna do something that either distracts us or ruins us.
• 31:26
  And I think we're seeing both right now.
• 31:28
  Absolutely.
• 31:29
  Well, we're gonna step out for a quick break and uh hear from our sponsors, and then we'll be right back to continue unpacking the propagandization of the mind and how it directly uh links to our current situation in Iran.
• 31:49
  So we'll be right back.
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• 36:00
  All right, welcome back to the Nurses Report.
• 36:04
  We are having a really interesting conversation about really really what it is is it's it's it's uh being showcased as an understanding of what's really going on in the Middle East with Iraq and Israel and the United States right now and this potential for war.
• 36:20
  But what it really comes down to is our ability as individuals to evaluate the information that we're receiving and to determine whether or not we're being propagandized and what the impacts of that is and how to protect ourselves from stepping into mistakes, because these gentlemen on here, uh, Gunner and Mark are mapping out how for probably generations, at least throughout our lifetime, we have propag been propagandized into accepting wars and the destruction of women and children and cultures and societies, most likely leaving leading to child trafficking and the connection to Epstein and all of the people that he works with and uh uh the evilness that entrenches us in this world.
• 37:14
  So back on to that topic of the propaganda and how it's really getting through to us.
• 37:24
  And then bringing it into this current situation with Iran.
• 37:29
  Um, do you guys do you guys how much of your information do you feel we're getting out to people and what tools can we use to really arm the public to be able to identify truth and um really prepare themselves for acting when we identify that uh we're being propagandized by the next thing on the table, which is potentially this war in Iraq.
• 38:02
  Well, I think the first thing you have to do is just question everything, you know, you can't take, especially if it's coming from our government or the mainstream media or even the mainstream alternative alternative media.
• 38:13
  You just have to question everything and try to verify and discern uh if there's any truth in it at all.
• 38:21
  You know, we like I said earlier when I met Gunnar in 2023, he kind of told me exactly what was gonna happen here, and hopefully you can talk about that.
• 38:28
  But this whole king of the hill thing when it comes to the Temple Mount and with Trump being a Zionist and um and we we've seen this.
• 38:36
  Like Gunner told me this was all going to happen.
• 38:40
  You know, I did vote for Trump, but at the same time, kind of knowing what we're probably getting ourselves into here.
• 38:49
  You know, there's a there's a out there in the on the internet, there's a montage of Trump talking for three minutes long of how these regime change and nation-building wars are wrong, they're expensive, and talking bad about how you know other presidents can't negotiate and just if you can negotiate, you don't have to get in these wars, and how ridiculous they are.
• 39:11
  You know, if he would have campaigned on we're gonna get our into a holy war, he would have never won.
• 39:18
  So they had to lie leading up to the election.
• 39:22
  You know, we could talk, you know, all day about how I how anyway, how I feel, and I know this upsets a lot of people, but I feel let down by by Trump.
• 39:29
  I mean, he secured the border.
• 39:31
  Aside from that, campaign promises have not um been fulfilled.
• 39:35
  Now he's ushering in, you know, indemnity or liability protection for glyphosate producers, just these people poisoning us.
• 39:42
  Uh now he signed an order to advance quickly advance 6G and implantable devices, neural impl implantations.
• 39:50
  Like, it's not what I voted for.
• 39:52
  I didn't vote for a world war.
• 39:54
  Um, so you have to take a step back, and uh, so many people are very loyal to Mr.
• 40:00
  Trump.
• 40:01
  And we need to understand that we can't trust these people.
• 40:06
  We don't know them.
• 40:07
  We don't know their heart.
• 40:08
  We don't know how they're compromised.
• 40:10
  And we don't know if they're telling us the truth.
• 40:13
  Yeah, him and Pom Pam Bondi's response to the Epstein files were why are we still talking about this?
• 40:19
  And isn't the Dow Jones great?
• 40:22
  Yeah.
• 40:23
  And that it's those kinds of responses that really shake us out of our core in the reasons for voting for him.
• 40:32
  Because clearly they're not with us.
• 40:37
  And that's one of the things, it's like these elites, these people who control the world, they really have no concept of the day-to-day life of a sane, rational human being.
• 40:48
  Like they're only just thinking about the profit margins and the power and the control that keeps them in their roles and positions that strokes their ego to the point of you know making them feel that that they're that they're you know closer to God.
• 41:07
  It's the sad lie that keeps keeps this hamster wheel spinning in this world of lies that we find ourselves in the I would add to what Mark was saying, like it's okay to be wrong about something.
• 41:25
  And I think if people went about their daily lives and their Facebook conversations, like maybe I'll learn something.
• 41:32
  And instead of saying, Oh, this person is silly, they don't share my beliefs, and then ad hominem name it, you know, name attack, that doesn't really work anymore.
• 41:43
  People want the substance.
• 41:45
  Oh, okay.
• 41:46
  You think that where's the source of that truth?
• 41:49
  What is it in your brain that is allowing you to hold these beliefs?
• 41:54
  Right.
• 41:54
  What people need to get good at is going in with a scalpel and finding where that root is, because okay, here's a here's a preconceived notion that when proven false should sever all of these other belief sets, okay.
• 42:10
  It's hard for people to do, but people need to get good at it because when we look at the propaganda, people think my side's right or this side's right.
• 42:18
  There's this binary thinking.
• 42:20
  When in actuality, like we're here, we have this qualitative experience.
• 42:24
  We're we're talking about humans, it isn't your side's right when we bomb a school with 160 children in it in Iran.
• 42:32
  Like that isn't nobody's right there.
• 42:34
  That's just dumb, and we shouldn't be doing that.
• 42:37
  And so I think that's where we really need to focus is what are what are what do our belief sets allow us to be comfortable with in the real world?
• 42:46
  And when we see what the American taxpayer is responsible for around the world, it's very, very unpleasant.
• 42:53
  I think that as citizens of the United States, we ought to be educated and responsible for our government's actions, and even when that means going through government propaganda and actually being able to discern the truth of what the government is doing, um, that's incredibly important.
• 43:15
  And again, I think we need to have a reflexive distrust for the American government when they tell us something like we need to go to war.
• 43:24
  Um COVID-19 is very scary, everyone needs a vaccine.
• 43:29
  We need to be reflexively distrustful of those messages.
• 43:34
  Well, in the uh intention of really getting down to the root of uh what is going on in this Iraq situation, gunner.
• 43:47
  What have you discovered to be some of those core um reasons for what we're doing there?
• 43:56
  And uh, you know, the critical analysis of of really the truth underlying the propaganda.
• 44:04
  What have you found?
• 44:06
  Okay, so whoever's listening, you need to sit down, put your seatbelt on or whatever, because this is going to be a little bit crazy, all right.
• 44:12
  So when I first met Mark, I told him this the outline of this book that I have.
• 44:17
  Okay, I have not been able to write it, but I've been able to get all of the ideas out through the Mideast debrief articles on Substack.
• 44:25
  So I feel this burden lifted to a degree, but there's still this um need to write this.
• 44:30
  Okay, so what the book is about is Abrahamic eschatology.
• 44:35
  Okay, so there are three Abrahamic religions Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
• 44:40
  And eschatology deals with the study of their end times.
• 44:44
  So they all have different aspirations, but effectively the same players, okay.
• 44:49
  So it's important to realize that in Judaism, a good chunk of the old testament is devoted to the old temple or the the temple, the dimensions, uh the temple practice, how it must be carried out.
• 45:04
  So that temple can only be put in a one place in the world, and that is the temple mount in Jerusalem.
• 45:10
  Right.
• 45:11
  It sits on top of the rock of creation where um Isaac was going to sacrifice his son.
• 45:19
  And thank goodness that didn't happen.
• 45:21
  Um, but so that rock of creation is believed to be the rock by which God expanded the earth into the earth itself.
• 45:30
  So it's an incredibly important piece of real estate.
• 45:35
  It is the holiest site in Judaism.
• 45:37
  There have been two temples that stood there before.
• 45:41
  Um, there was the first temple, and then that was destroyed by the Babylonians.
• 45:46
  There was the Babylonian exile, and King Cyrus himself allowed the Jews to return from exile and rebuild the second temple.
• 45:56
  So the second temple was around for several hundred years, and then it was destroyed by the Romans, something that Jesus prophesied supposedly that no stone would be left on top.
• 46:09
  Yeah.
• 46:09
  And the reason being is because the um temple priests, the Pharisees and others were incredibly supremacist, and they were very um violent, vengeful.
• 46:26
  They also engaged in usury.
• 46:28
  So within the temple itself were userous contracts that when the temple was destroyed, the Romans ransacked, and many of the surrounding citizens went in and ripped up these contracts.
• 46:41
  Okay.
• 46:42
  So now we don't have a temple anymore in in Judaism.
• 46:46
  So two thousand years ago, their last temple was destroyed.
• 46:50
  And ever since then, they've been agitating to get back in.
• 46:54
  The way that I say this is that to use a football analogy, it's a 2,000-year game of football.
• 47:00
  And in Judaism, they're on their goal line, they're about to score, they're about to get the temple.
• 47:06
  So let's talk about Abrahamic eschatology and wrap this together, okay?
• 47:10
  So in Judaism, they're still waiting their messiah for their Messiah.
• 47:14
  They rejected Jesus as Messiah.
• 47:16
  Okay.
• 47:16
  In Judaism, Messiah is not going to be some God, he's not going to be a spiritual figure necessarily.
• 47:25
  It's just going to be a regular human.
• 47:27
  And in fact, they say that there's a Messiah in every single generation.
• 47:31
  The only thing necessary are the conditions on the ground, the real the real world, in order for him to step in and rule.
• 47:39
  And what does that look like?
• 47:40
  Well, it's rule from the throne in Jerusalem.
• 47:42
  All of the nations will be effectively subservient to this um Pax Judaica, which is rule from Jerusalem.
• 47:51
  That's what they want in their Messianic Judaism.
• 47:54
  Okay.
• 47:54
  Not all Jews believe this is going to happen, but that's the core of it.
• 47:57
  That's what certainly Chabad believes.
• 48:00
  Okay.
• 48:00
  And that is a large Jewish um sect right now that is very prominent in this fight, if you will, for the third temple.
• 48:10
  Jared Kushner is a member of Chabad.
• 48:12
  Okay, so that's Judaism.
• 48:14
  Okay, in Christianity, Jesus came, he's gonna come again, he's the Messiah.
• 48:19
  He's also going to play this role where in the end times he slays the antichrist.
• 48:24
  Well, who is the antichrist?
• 48:26
  It's a person who sits on the throne in Jerusalem and claims himself to be the ruler, but not God or not Jesus.
• 48:33
  Well, that sounds an awful like the Jew, the that sounds like the Jewish Messiah.
• 48:37
  That's the Jewish Messiah.
• 48:39
  So as soon as they name their Messiah in Judaism, that's going to be a target for Christians as the antichrist.
• 48:47
  So there's a huge conflict of interest there.
• 48:50
  And Max Blumenthal and many others have called that out in great detail, that uh effectively uh evangelical and Jewish Zionists are working in concert for a death dance, okay.
• 49:03
  Well, where does Islam come into play?
• 49:05
  They believe that Jesus was Messiah.
• 49:08
  They believe that he's coming again.
• 49:11
  And in Islam, they believe that Jesus was born of a virgin Mary.
• 49:18
  Okay, so they have a great reverence for Christians, Christianity.
• 49:22
  Of course, where they differ is that they don't think Jesus was God.
• 49:26
  Okay.
• 49:27
  So to me, theologically speaking, that's you know, a big bifurcation, but not enough for me to say, oh, go to war for eternity.
• 49:37
  Okay, so that leads us to this particular situation because in Judaism, they're trying to construct their temple.
• 49:45
  What sits on top of it?
• 49:46
  The Muslim dome of the rock in Alaksa Mosque.
• 49:50
  Like a game of King of the Hill.
• 49:52
  I've got four boys, they play these types of games, right?
• 49:55
  And so they're pushing each other off of this king, I of this hill, I want it, you want it, etc.
• 50:00
  That's exactly what's happening on a religious scale.
• 50:03
  So if you look at the players in Judaism, they have there's 20 million Jews in the world.
• 50:09
  About half of them are religious in this way.
• 50:12
  And about half of those yet are like staunch.
• 50:15
  Let's go get that temple.
• 50:16
  So we have five million people who are devout Jews who want to see the temple reconstructed.
• 50:23
  Well, five million versus two point two billion Muslims who have an interest in seeing the Alaksa Mosque and Dome of the Rock remain on that place.
• 50:34
  It's also holy to Islam.
• 50:37
  They believe that Mohammed had a dream of ascending to heaven on the Temple Mount.
• 50:43
  So therefore it's incredibly important and needs to be fought over and you know held, if you will.
• 50:50
  So it's a Muslim stronghold in that region.
• 50:52
  And there's one remaining country that is powerful enough to keep that Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa in place.
• 51:02
  It's obviously Iran.
• 51:04
  It's Iraq.
• 51:05
  So when General Wesley Clark spilled the beans 20 years ago and said the real point of 9 11 was to go after these seven countries, and he named them Iraq, Somalia, Afghanistan.
• 51:16
  The last one on the list, I think it was Afghanistan.
• 51:19
  The last one on the list though was Iran.
• 51:21
  Okay.
• 51:22
  They said they wanted to do seven countries in five years.
• 51:24
  That was 20 years ago.
• 51:25
  They're behind schedule.
• 51:26
  Now you see this need here.
• 51:29
  The fabrication of propaganda to garner support by the American public for this forever war is actually just the final chapter to them in this game of third temple politics.
• 51:44
  Because once Iran is moved as a removed as a threat, they'll be able to construct their third temple.
• 51:52
  And that's where I think people need to be incredibly aware and alert of what's happening because it's going to spawn this huge holy religious war, which is what is playing out in front of us.
• 52:04
  This has nothing to do with 30,000 Iranian protesters.
• 52:09
  It has nothing to do with uh ballistic missiles or nuclear weapons.
• 52:13
  It has everything to do with the Third Temple and the aspirations of Judaism for the last two millennia again is finally um in their hands, if you will, and they're gonna take it.
• 52:26
  And in order to do that again, they need to um quash any Muslim uprising, and that's what we're seeing.
• 52:34
  So you had mentioned Pax Judaica.
• 52:37
  Can you talk just for a minute?
• 52:38
  I'm sure I could, but you can do it better, Gunner.
• 52:40
  Greater Israel.
• 52:41
  What is Greater Israel?
• 52:43
  And that's part of the end game as well, correct?
• 52:45
  Oh, sure.
• 52:45
  Okay, so Greater Israel is the biblical borders of Israel.
• 52:49
  And so it encompasses Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq.
• 52:55
  So you see now why the United States, this goes back to 9 11.
• 52:59
  What is 9 11 and who orchestrated it?
• 53:02
  9-11 was a false flag conducted by the CIA, the Massad to garner support for the American public to enlist to fight a holy war.
• 53:16
  George Bush said it was a crusade.
• 53:19
  This was a holy war because of our freedoms.
• 53:21
  They hated us for our freedoms.
• 53:23
  No, the Mossad took down the towers, appeared on the media, said it was bin Laden bin Laden bin Laden, and the rest is history.
• 53:30
  We had no we had nothing else to do other than to just kind of grab our popcorn and sit along for the ride because we were on a pro uh we were in a you know propaganda movie, propaganda ride.
• 53:41
  And so we've just been trying to wake other people up from this.
• 53:45
  So the whole point of 9 11 was to uh recruit a Christian army to fight the 2.2 billion Muslims.
• 53:55
  Five million very religiously devout Jews can't fight 2.2 billion Muslims.
• 54:01
  They need to recruit an army to do that.
• 54:03
  That's what 9-11 was.
• 54:05
  So this is all framed as they hate us for our freedoms, they are gonna nuke us, they're the largest sponsors of terrorism.
• 54:13
  We are the largest sponsors of terrorism, and it's not because Lockheed Martin really wants to sell bombs and really wants to send our kids to die.
• 54:23
  There's an agenda that sits at the top of this apparatus, and it is an eschatological uh Jewish evangelical drive to bring in the end times.
• 54:35
  They really want Jesus back, they really want to see Pax Judaica, which is the foretold uh prophesied messianic age in Judaism where the king sits on the temple in Jerusalem and rules the whole world through a monetary system and through uh uh system of values and morals and a uh a military-industrial complex that would again kill anyone who would stand in their way, and that's what we're seeing.
• 55:04
  And when you look then, if you kind of retroactively take that filter that I just described as Abrahamic eschatology and third temple politics drive geopolitical events, if you take that filter and you look at history, Iraq for with George Bush Sr.
• 55:25
  Um, if you look at what happened with JFK and why he was assassinated because of the Demona secret nuclear weapons program in Israel, uh he was on to that and wanted folks to um uh register as foreign lobbyists.
• 55:43
  You begin to see this bigger picture and this greater aim, and you see the end game where we're headed, and that filter so far makes the most sense to me.
• 55:53
  And I think when our people are told this and made aware of it, it begins to resonate.
• 55:58
  And in fact, Tucker Carlson's one of his latest episodes deals with this.
• 56:03
  And I had people reach out to me like, dude, I thought you were crazy when you told me this 10 years ago.
• 56:08
  You were right.
• 56:09
  I don't want to be right because what happens after this is not good.
• 56:14
  I mean, the ball of Edom, correct?
• 56:16
  I mean, if you want to believe this Zionist agenda, you must believe and cheer for the fall of the West, the fall of America, the destruction of our country must take place for the Judaic end times prophecy.
• 56:32
  Correct.
• 56:33
  The more we can get this uh information out to the public, and the better understanding we can have.
• 56:40
  Uh, like you two said, we're hoping to avoid a uh nuclear bomb.
• 56:45
  Destroying two-thirds of the population, and uh or if it be that way, may we be prepared.
• 56:53
  So, in that note, folks, thanks for joining us, and we'll see you next time.
• 56:59
  It's time of this six.
• 57:07
  It's time of this.