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Tech Friday w/ Dave Hatter - Sponsored by Intrust IT - 12/12/2025 · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: It's time for tech Friday. Good here, Happy Friday Day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Happy Friday to you, Brian and Joe and all
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  Speaker 2: your listeners. Happy to be here, glad you are.
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  Speaker 1: And this skimmer thing we've got I know you relied
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  Speaker 1: on a local story about a convenience store card reader,
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  Speaker 1: a skimmer thing. We can talk about that, but this
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  Speaker 1: also goes along with the idea that they can capture
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  Speaker 1: your card information by you know, digitally or through the waves, right,
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  Speaker 1: I mean the elect tronically. They don't even need to
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  Speaker 1: touch you or touch your card, that.
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  Speaker 2: Is correct, Brian. I mean it depends on the type
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  Speaker 2: of cards you have and the type of device they have.
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  Speaker 2: But what you're describing really is just another form of skimming. Now.
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  Speaker 2: You know, when you look at this, you hear different
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  Speaker 2: terms skimming, shimming, that sort of thing. But basically, you know,
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  Speaker 2: most credit cards still have a max right, some have
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  Speaker 2: the chip. You know, you can use the near field
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  Speaker 2: communication to pay, the tap to pay, you can wipe
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  Speaker 2: your card. There's there's all these different ways that you know,
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  Speaker 2: you can get the information off a credit card or
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  Speaker 2: debit card. Now, this particular thing again, we've talked about
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  Speaker 2: this before and it's showing up here once again in
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  Speaker 2: the Tri State area. People using skimmers, which are basically devices.
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  Speaker 2: Depending on the device, sometimes it's called a shimmer if
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  Speaker 2: it goes inside, but essentially you either put a device
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  Speaker 2: over the aperture of the credit card reader or inside
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  Speaker 2: the credit card reader. Could be a gas pump, could
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  Speaker 2: be an ATM, could be a point sales system sitting
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  Speaker 2: on a counter somewhere. But you know, once you put
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  Speaker 2: the card into it, it attempts to read the mag strip.
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  Speaker 2: It attempts to read the chip again. Whatever it's designed
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  Speaker 2: to do, or tap to pay, it can potentially, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I could walk up to you with the right device
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  Speaker 2: in my pocket, bump into you, and try to read
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  Speaker 2: the cards in your wallet. So there's a variety of
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  Speaker 2: different ways this works. We're just now seeing another real
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  Speaker 2: world example where someone did.
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  Speaker 1: It well, the old school way. The original way was
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  Speaker 1: to put something over the top of the original card reader, correct.
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  Speaker 1: I mean quite often you could tell that that had happened.
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  Speaker 1: You could grab a hold of it and jiggle it.
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  Speaker 1: It might pop off, and then it'd be revealed to
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  Speaker 1: be in your hand. I mean, I at least there
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  Speaker 1: was an opportunity for people to try or look for
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  Speaker 1: something like that. How do they install these card skimming
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  Speaker 1: devices inside that device?
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  Speaker 2: Well, imagine just a small board, right, a small circuit board,
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  Speaker 2: and you just drop it in the slot. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that's how small these things have gotten. Now, you know,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes there's a second angle to this, because everything you
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  Speaker 2: said is right about the older stuff. In many cases
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  Speaker 2: it would literally fit over aperture for the credit card,
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  Speaker 2: so you're sticking your card through their device. Sometimes I
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  Speaker 2: might have a different color. It might be loose whatever
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  Speaker 2: with this with these newer, smaller technologies, again, it could
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  Speaker 2: be something if it's completely inside the slot, so you
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't really see it. You wouldn't know what to look for.
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  Speaker 2: Even if you looked inside. Right, Well, it looks like
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  Speaker 2: a circuit board. This thing's electronic, it's probably okay. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's part of the issue with this, Brian, as if
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  Speaker 2: they get more smaller and more sophisticated, they get more
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  Speaker 2: difficult to detect. And in the old days too, and
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  Speaker 2: many cases you'd have to come retrieve the thing is
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  Speaker 2: the criminal to get the data out of it. But
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  Speaker 2: now some of these things can support wireless protocols like
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  Speaker 2: Bluetooth or Wi Fi or something like that, so once
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  Speaker 2: I've deployed it, I don't necessarily need to ever touch
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  Speaker 2: it again. As a criminal, I could just pull into
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  Speaker 2: the lot and get the data off of it. So
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  Speaker 2: they've gotten trickier. You know a couple other things you
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  Speaker 2: should look for, and again this depends on the type
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  Speaker 2: of skimmer they're using. Would be okay, if I have
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  Speaker 2: a debit card, I got it. The criminal's got to
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  Speaker 2: get my pen so sometimes they'll also deploy a tiny
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  Speaker 2: camera or possibly an overlay over the keypad. So if
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  Speaker 2: you wheel up on one of these devices and it
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  Speaker 2: looks like it's been tampered with in any way, including
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  Speaker 2: like the keypad looks funny. It looks like there's something
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  Speaker 2: laid over the keypad where if you could potentially see
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  Speaker 2: a camera. Now, I get this is a lot to
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  Speaker 2: look for. You know, these guys want to place the
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  Speaker 2: camera so they can see you type in your pin,
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  Speaker 2: or they want to put an overlay over the keypad
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  Speaker 2: so they can capture that pin. It gets tricky, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, as they have to apply these other devices,
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  Speaker 2: there's more likelihood to get caught. It sounds like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: these guys got caught pretty quickly, but it's certainly something
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  Speaker 2: to be on the lookout for. You know. A general
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  Speaker 2: recommendation I would make to people is to try to
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  Speaker 2: always use a device where it's in eye sight of
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  Speaker 2: another human being. You know, pick the pump if it's
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  Speaker 2: closest to the cashiers. Pick the pump where you know
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  Speaker 2: there are security cameras. Again, it doesn't have to be
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  Speaker 2: a gas pump though it could be an ATM. It
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  Speaker 2: it could even in this case, it sounds like they
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  Speaker 2: weren't tamping with the gas pumps, they were actually tampering
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  Speaker 2: with the credit card readers inside the building. So it's
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  Speaker 2: a tricky problem to solve, but if you know it's
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  Speaker 2: a thing, at least you can be more cautious and
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  Speaker 2: potentially use a credit card to avail yourself of the
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  Speaker 2: Consumer protection City. Yes, credit cards versus debit cards.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad I was anticipating asking you about that. A
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  Speaker 1: reminding listeners, uniform commercial code protects you. You're only liable
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  Speaker 1: for fifty bucks if someone abuses your credit card, not
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  Speaker 1: the case when you're using your pin and having the
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  Speaker 1: money taken directly out of your bank account. That's danger
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  Speaker 1: zone right there. That is a really really bad idea.
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  Speaker 1: And I guess these card readers you said, someone needs
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  Speaker 1: to maybe have a video camera to see your pin
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  Speaker 1: or something. Can't they, you know, like record what numbers
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  Speaker 1: you're typing in when you're putting your pin in with
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  Speaker 1: these device readers.
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  Speaker 2: Probably not with it, and I can't say for sure,
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  Speaker 2: but with the reader itself, you know, typically it's just
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  Speaker 2: electronic Okay, an electronic device is trying to read the
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  Speaker 2: mag stripe you know, the keypad is separate, but in
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  Speaker 2: many cases they'll put like a little overlay over it
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  Speaker 2: so it looks, you know, it's it's another keypad sitting
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  Speaker 2: over top of the real keypads, so when you punch
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  Speaker 2: your number in, they're capturing it from that, or they're
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  Speaker 2: placing a camera somewhere where they can see the keypad
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  Speaker 2: so they can capture that pin.
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  Speaker 1: Gotcha. And of course we can't end the segment without saying,
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  Speaker 1: you know, with regard to the reading of your card
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  Speaker 1: just by being near you Faraday wallet, right.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, that's always a good thing, they said, blocking wallets.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, just type in Amazon. You just got I know
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  Speaker 1: you people hate Amazon or love it either way. Just
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  Speaker 1: type in RFID wallet or something. And maybe even I'm
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  Speaker 1: presuming they make purses along the same way Faraday purses,
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  Speaker 1: and you there you go. You'll be protected at least
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  Speaker 1: from that type of shenanigans. We'll bring day back. We'll
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  Speaker 1: talk about users apparently not liking or saying no to
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  Speaker 1: the Windows eleven up, six thirty six. Right now, if
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  Speaker 1: you five krcit talk talk station, it's six forty and
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  Speaker 1: fifty five krsit the talk station doing that tech Friday
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  Speaker 1: with Dave how It brought to you again by intrust
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  Speaker 1: it online at interest dot com. I haven't been I
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  Speaker 1: haven't used Windows, and I can't remember how long it's
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  Speaker 1: been more than a decade. I went Apple and for
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  Speaker 1: a different couple of reasons. But so I'm no longer
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  Speaker 1: hip to the whole Windows upgrade thing. But why are
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  Speaker 1: users saying no to the Windows eleven upgrade?
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  Speaker 2: Dave hatter Well, Ron, I think it's a combination of things.
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  Speaker 2: You know, first off, people get comfortable with the way
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  Speaker 2: a particular operating system works and don't want to change. True.
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  Speaker 2: I think people also don't really understand the risk of
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  Speaker 2: having end of life systems, you know, whether it's Windows, Linux,
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  Speaker 2: Mac Apple, iOS, Android, whatever, or a particular piece of
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  Speaker 2: software like Chrome. For what it's worth, if you still
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  Speaker 2: use Google Chrome, I suggest you dropped that. By the way,
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  Speaker 2: it supposed to a privacy friendly browser like Brave, Firefox,
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  Speaker 2: Tour or Safari. But if you still use Chrome, critical
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  Speaker 2: updates came out the other day. My point being, when
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  Speaker 2: you have end of life software or software that needs
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  Speaker 2: to be updated, end of life means the manufacturer is
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  Speaker 2: no longer putting out any updates, right, So it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: really matter what the platform of software is. Once you
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  Speaker 2: hit that point, then you are, over time increasing your
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  Speaker 2: risk of some sort of attack against that vulnerability because
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  Speaker 2: the bad guys will find them and the manufacturer's not
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  Speaker 2: fixing them. Windows ten went end of life in October,
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  Speaker 2: So whether it's people don't want to switch because they're
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  Speaker 2: familiar with Windows ten, they don't want to spend the
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  Speaker 2: money in some cases to upgrade from Windows ten to
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  Speaker 2: Windows eleven you need to get a new computer because
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  Speaker 2: the older hardware will not support Windows eleven, or it's
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  Speaker 2: they don't understand the risk. I think those are probably
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  Speaker 2: the four main reasons. Apparently from some recent reporting and
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  Speaker 2: some information that came from Dell, obviously one of the
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  Speaker 2: large PC manufacturers out there for the Windows operating system,
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  Speaker 2: there are a huge number of people who so far,
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  Speaker 2: despite Windows ten going into life in October, have not
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  Speaker 2: made the leap to Windows eleven yet, and again as
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  Speaker 2: time goes on, that's a bigger and bigger problem.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I get all the points you're making,
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  Speaker 1: but insofar as ten versus eleven, to your initial point,
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  Speaker 1: people don't like the change or the look or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Are they that dramatically different.
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  Speaker 2: In my opinion, No, Brian, But you know again, people
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  Speaker 2: get used to something and then stuff gets moved around.
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  Speaker 2: They don't like the way it looks, and you know it.
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  Speaker 2: In my opinion, Now you know me, mister tin Floyd
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  Speaker 2: hat guy here, I'm going to tell you that the
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  Speaker 2: security risks to you, especially if you're not very technical
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  Speaker 2: and you're not doing other things to mitigate those risks,
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  Speaker 2: the security risks to you by not switching would well
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  Speaker 2: outweigh the inconvenience you're going to experience for the first
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  Speaker 2: several days while you get used to it. Now, you know,
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  Speaker 2: people have other issues with Windows eleven. It's got a
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  Speaker 2: lot more let's say, it's less privacy friendly than order versions. Again,
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  Speaker 2: all of these big tech companies have their issues, but
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  Speaker 2: just from a simple security perspective, not having an operating system,
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  Speaker 2: since that's the fundamental part that drives everything else you
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  Speaker 2: do on your device. And again this would be Apple, iOS, Android, Mac,
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  Speaker 2: whatever you're using, if you hit a point where you
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  Speaker 2: can't get updates anymore over time, you are going to
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  Speaker 2: substantially put yourself at risk because there are bad guys
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  Speaker 2: always looking for flaws these things have millions of lines
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  Speaker 2: of code in them. There are flaws that are yet
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  Speaker 2: to be discovered. I mean, Microsoft patch Tuesday once a
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  Speaker 2: month usually is fixing dozens of things, not all security related.
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  Speaker 2: You know, when you look at the Apple patches for
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  Speaker 2: iOS for your phone, usually dozens of things are fixed.
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  Speaker 2: As time wears on, and those don't get fixed, you're
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  Speaker 2: putting yourself at risk. And now you may decide get
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  Speaker 2: off Windows and go to Mac, use Linux, do so
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  Speaker 2: something different. But if you're still running Windows ten or worse,
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  Speaker 2: something like Windows eight or Windows seven, you are at
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  Speaker 2: substantial risk with these older operating systems if you don't
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  Speaker 2: upgrade them. I mean, just reading this Forbes article that
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  Speaker 2: I sent to Joe about this, right, the headline is
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  Speaker 2: security disaster, five hundred million Microsoft users saying no to
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  Speaker 2: Windows eleven, and then you know it goes on to
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  Speaker 2: say Microsoft's looming security disaster is worse than feared. Those
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  Speaker 2: aren't my words, This is from Forbes. A staggering billion
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  Speaker 2: Windows users are at risk is the sheer scale of
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  Speaker 2: the task. You know, goes on YadA, YadA, YadA, But
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  Speaker 2: they're just pointing out that you really need to get
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  Speaker 2: off Windows ten and anything older than that. Absolutely you
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  Speaker 2: need to get something different.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that five hundred million figure serves to prove the
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  Speaker 1: point you dis made. That's why the criminals are out
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  Speaker 1: there looking for ways to exploit old, no longer serviced
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  Speaker 1: operating systems. A lot of people have resisted so much
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  Speaker 1: it makes them an easy target.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly right, Brian, And I want to point something
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  Speaker 2: else out too. Now again, I'm I'm not here to
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  Speaker 2: advocate for any particular platform at this point. I'm mostly
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  Speaker 2: Windows based most of our customers and Windows based that's
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  Speaker 2: how most business operates. But all of that said, there
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  Speaker 2: are many choices at this point. Again, even something like
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  Speaker 2: Chrome OS. Now, I'm not going to use products from
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  Speaker 2: Google if I can help it. But you got Linux,
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  Speaker 2: you got Mac. There's a lot of choices. But to
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  Speaker 2: your point, you know, one of the reasons why Windows
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  Speaker 2: is more attacked than others is because it has the
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  Speaker 2: largest user base. Right, If I'm a criminal and I
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  Speaker 2: want to steal your money or your data, or ideally both,
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  Speaker 2: do I want to go after the smallest possible platform,
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  Speaker 2: where you know I have less opportunities, or do I
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  Speaker 2: want to go after the largest platform so again, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not saying Windows doesn't have its issues. I'm just saying
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  Speaker 2: one of the reasons why it's more attacked is because
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  Speaker 2: it's a much larger user base. And as these systems
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  Speaker 2: become obsolete, as you build up this technical debt, as
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  Speaker 2: you have these systems that can't be patched, of course
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  Speaker 2: they're going to go after those because it's easier for
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  Speaker 2: them than the late and greatest version of whatever operating
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  Speaker 2: system that's got all the latest and greatest security stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And you're exactly right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, i'll tell you what. We'll pause now and we'll
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  Speaker 1: continue an attack on Google. Coming up next Dave's favorite
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  Speaker 1: company six forty six right now for CD Talks Station.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at him. He's in studio, Congressman Brad Well.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Citizen Brad Winsor. I still want to call
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  Speaker 1: him Congressman. Will be talking a full hour in the
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  Speaker 1: next segment with him. In the meantime, Tech Friddy's Dave
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  Speaker 1: hatters on yet another reason to hate Google. It's a
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  Speaker 1: real grabbing headline. Google starts sharing all your text messages
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  Speaker 1: with your employer. Well there's a red flag, Dave.
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  Speaker 2: What, Well, Brian, you know the sort of typical of
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  Speaker 2: clickbait headlines. Yeah, you know, for Forbes generally puts out
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  Speaker 2: pretty good information in this space. You know, I read
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  Speaker 2: a lot, and particularly this author, Zach Dorfmann. He's pretty
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  Speaker 2: good in this privacy and security space. I understand what
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  Speaker 2: he's saying. It's not quite as dire as it makes
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  Speaker 2: this sound. And really it boils down to how text works. Right.
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  Speaker 2: If you and I are both sending messages to each
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  Speaker 2: other over Apple phones, they're into end encrypted because that's
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  Speaker 2: the way Apple text works. Okay, But if you're on
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  Speaker 2: an Android phone and I'm on an Apple phone, well
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  Speaker 2: they work differently. So the end to end encryption potentially
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  Speaker 2: goes away. And since the original version of text people
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  Speaker 2: can think back to their flip phones and how limited
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  Speaker 2: that was. Different protocols have been built to allow the
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  Speaker 2: exchange of more rich information, right, things like pictures and
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  Speaker 2: files and that sort of thing. Right, so that's come
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  Speaker 2: on over time. Well, again, how Apple does it versus
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  Speaker 2: how Android does it is different. One of the protocols
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  Speaker 2: to make that work without getting too nerdy is something
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  Speaker 2: called RCS Rich Communication Services, which basically allows you to
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  Speaker 2: do things like see when the other person is typing again,
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  Speaker 2: stuff that Apple's had for a long time. This works
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  Speaker 2: back and forth even if you're not on an Apple phone,
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  Speaker 2: voice messages, file sharing group chats, all this sort of stuff. Right,
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  Speaker 2: So RCS in and of itself is a good thing
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  Speaker 2: that allows you to be more compatible between different types
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  Speaker 2: of texting systems. The problem, though, is is this article
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  Speaker 2: points out if you know, most people are understand that
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  Speaker 2: email is sort of inherently insecure unless it's encrypted, and
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  Speaker 2: then it's easy to monitor. Most people sort of think, okay,
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  Speaker 2: if I'm texting, my employer can't necessarily see that. And
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  Speaker 2: what they point out here and again, why I say
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  Speaker 2: it's a little bit clickbaity is because if you have
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  Speaker 2: an employer supplied phone, right, they can turn on a
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  Speaker 2: feature in the management of the phone that would allow
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  Speaker 2: them to archive your text messages. Right, so they you
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  Speaker 2: and I both have Android phones. Let's say we're texting
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  Speaker 2: each other. Well, if that phone is supplied by the
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  Speaker 2: company and they choose to turn on this feature, they
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  Speaker 2: can archive my text messages. They're not really private. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I would argue, and I think you probably would too, Brian.
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  Speaker 2: If the employer supplies the phone, just like anything else
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  Speaker 2: they supply, Well, they have the right to monitor it.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to do what they want with it. I
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  Speaker 2: think that the thing that this is trying to warn
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  Speaker 2: about where this article is many people think that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they hear into end encryption. They talk about apps like
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  Speaker 2: What's Happened Signaling this sort of thing, and they think
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  Speaker 2: their texts are secure and if you have it, I
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  Speaker 2: would argue, if you have an employer supplied device, the
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: employer can put tools on that device and ultimately read
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  Speaker 2: anything they want. So I think this is just a
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  Speaker 2: it's a good warning for folks. If you're on Android
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  Speaker 2: and your phone is supplied by your employer, don't assume
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  Speaker 2: that they can't access your text messages or you might
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: have some trouble on your hands depending on what you're doing.
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  Speaker 2: But even better, Brian, I would just say this as
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  Speaker 2: anything you do electronically can be can be accessed. Don't
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  Speaker 2: assume anything you're doing in any electronic form is ultimately
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  Speaker 2: private to you.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I thought you were going to have a go
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  Speaker 1: at Google, like Tom calls everyone and says, don't vote Democrat,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: don't use Google.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, if you're in a situation where that's
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: what your employer gives you. You may not have a choice,
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: so you know, you need to understand what could be
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: happening here. And you know this is I'm reading from
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  Speaker 2: this Forbes article. Google says this is a quote dependable
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Android supported solution for message archival, which is backwards compatible
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: with SMS and MMS message as well. Employees will see
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: a clear notification on their device when the archival feature
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: is active, So that's good news. You know, if you
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: have an employer's supply device and they turn this feature on,
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: it will tell you that. But I also get a
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: lot of people don't understand all this stuff, aren't paying attention.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: And again I think the real heads up is if
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: you're an Android phone user and your device is supplied
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: by your employer, understand that any text messaging you're doing
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: on that device may be accessible by your employer.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Right, so don't act accordingly exactly. There is the underscoring
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: legitimately across the board, shenanigans and problems people might find
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: themselves in if they do text information in the world
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: that they don't want anybody else to read. I mean,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: I find out people are so dumb when it comes
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: to that leaving, they're leaving a trail of evidence for
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: anybody down the road. So don't engage in untoward activities
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: whatever those might be, and documented on text. How's that?
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Yes? And again you know, if you're worried about this,
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: get your own phone, use third party apps like Signal,
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: which I would recommend over What's happened because that's from
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: our friends at Meta. But also at the bottom line
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: is even if things are into and encrypted, even if
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: they're configured correctly, if you and I are messaging each
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: other to Signal Brian and we're doing something illegal, once
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: law enforcement has my device, if they can unlock the device,
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: well it unlocks the encryption and that's the content of
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: my Signal messages. So again, I think people watch TV
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: and they hear about in the end encryption and all
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: this security and privacy. But at the end of the day,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: if I can unlock your device, will I unlock the
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: encryption that protects as messages I have them all? So again,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: understand what this all really means, think about what privacy
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: is in today's world, and act accordingly. If you're doing
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: something illegal or something you don't want other people to know,
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: you can't assume that just because something is encrypted, that
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: it is protected, because if I can unlock your encryption,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: I have it all.
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• 19:11
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• 19:17
  Speaker 1: now and then, and a wonderful weekend on top of it.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Always my pleasure, Brian. I look forward to chatting.
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