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Christian Drapeau, pioneer in Adult Stem Cell research · Ageless and Timeless Podcast®

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Good morning everyone. This is Michelle Hughes from Ageless and Timeless. Today I
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have another very special guest. I know I say that it really but today
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I want you to meet someone that I've been talking to for several months.
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We've had a little bit of adjusting of schedules to get together on this podcast.
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But his name is Christian Prepo and he's from Canada. And although Christian,
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you do go back and forth to the United States from Canada, right,
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I try to live in the United States now for almost thirty years.
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Oh oh, well that I'm guess I'm behind the time. Well, you
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know why I thought Canada because I tried to reach you when you were in
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your at your cabin there you go. I do go back to Canada.
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That is in Canada. So yeah, So where exactly do you live in
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the US? In Austin, Texas. Oh you're another man? Okay,
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interesting? Well what made you? I know? Austin is a you know,
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is another high tech hotded. So is that why you went there or
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was there another reason that you ended up matriculating from Canada to Texas. Well,
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I moved from Canada to Climate Falls, Oregon, which is where I
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started to do all the initial work. Then the first product that we put
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in the marketplace was through a company that we structured in California, which is
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where I was until moving to Austin. And the company moved out of California
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and they moved to Florida. But my wife is an actress in Florida is
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not really a great state for movie making, so Austin at the time,
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So in twenty fourteen, Austin was a really fast growing city for everything pertaining
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to cinema. So we decided to go to Austin, and we have not
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regretted. It's a really great place to live. Oh that's wonderful. But
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you know, we in California are very concerned by the number of people that
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have left are leaving California at for Texas and Florida and Nevada and other places.
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But I mean, I suppose there as many people coming in as still
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that makes the state viable, but just to see the kind of departures,
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and a lot of it has to do with California's politics, I'm afraid to
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say. We won't get into that today, but let me just tell everybody
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a little bit about you, and then I'm going to let you take over
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because we have an amazing podcast today. We're talking about a subject that everybody
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that is in the health and wellness world wants to know more about because it's
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actually quite a new subject, relatively speaking, and that's stem cells. And
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those of you who have studied stem cells will be fascinated by all that Christian
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has done to advance the stem cell research. And he's written a book called
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Cracking the Stem Cell Code, which Tony, I don't know if you have
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that website, but maybe you could flash during the podcast today you could flash
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a copy of the book if you don't mind. But anyway, So Christian,
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you started out as a neuro physiologist and you were research. Your research
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was all done in Canada with McGill. Correct correct. I was at the
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Montreal Neurological Institute, right. That's that's a pretty into this famous institute and
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has a lot of credibility in the brain research world. So what led you
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to go from brain research to stem cell research? Well, it was really
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I was hired. So my background was or my research was on epilepsy and
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memory. Uh, and then along the way I came across a company that
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was selling a blue greenology which is blue Greenology from climat Late and they were
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selling this product and one of the main benefits was an increase in mental clarity,
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increase in sort of a sense of mental energy, concentration focus. And
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I must say that before all of that, in my teens, I had
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developed ways of learning, fast accelerated learning methods that I had applied and it
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made it easy for me to speak about a topic, a scientific topic,
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and really make it simple. So it was an interesting package for that company
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to bote lecture for them and their customers, but also to do the research
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product. So that's really why I was hired. I was hired by this
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company in Oregon. That's my move from Canada to America. So I moved
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to Climate Falls to study that plant and establish or document its mechanism of action.
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So this was right after the passage of the Shay. So after the
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Shay was passed, companies needed to have science to back up any claims that
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they were making on their product. So I was hired to do that.
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So we quickly identified its benefits on inflammation, on immunity, on mental clarity.
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But as I'm working with this plant, I came across people who reported
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really great benefits on conditions like multiple sclerosis, heart problem, diabetes, kidney
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failure, liver failure, parkinson, COPD, andmphysema. And so the question
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to me was, what is this product doing to bring benefit to the heart,
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to someone's heart, someone else's liver, pancreas, lungs, brain,
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joint, skin, and so on. There was no understanding of how a
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product could do so many things in the body. So we did research for
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a few years. And it's only in the early two thousand, like two
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thousand and one where I came across an article the title was turning Blood into
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Brain. It was the first documentation to my knowledge, of a stem cell
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going from the bone marrow going to the brain and becoming a brain cell.
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We need to position ourselves back into two thousand and one. At that time,
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stem cells are only known to be precursors to blood cells, and of
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all new cells in the bioll new organs. The brain we know does not
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repair, does not regenerate, at least that's what we were told at the
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time. So an article showing that a stem cell was going from the bone
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marrow to the brain, I thought was an amazing breakthrough. So I dug
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a little bit more in the scientific literature found similar articles documenting stem cells going
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to deliver into the heart and becoming liver cells and heart cells. So I
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thought, so we're back in two thousand and one. I thought, if
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stem cells can become heart, liver, and brain, why not pancreas,
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long skin, and the rest. It makes no sense that it would become
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those three and of the rest. And if they do become all these cells,
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then they have to be the repair system of the body. And in
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the back of my mind, the thought was, if stem cells are the
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repair system of the body, what if a plant were to trigger the release
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of stem cells, they would go to the pancreas of the diabetic, the
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heart of the heart patient, the brain of the parkings and patient, And
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we should expect a broad variety of benefits. And that's what we add with
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AFA. So that's how it all started, the thought that what if this
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lubrinology worked by triggering the release of stem cells from the bone marrow. So
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we acquired the equipment to count stem cells and very quickly discovered that that's how
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that plant was working. So everything I did stopped and I shifted everything all
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my activity into the field of stem cell research. So that's how I became
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involved in the field of stem cell research. So Christian, the clury potency
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issue has always been a question and kind of the miracle of stem cells that
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how could a cell have a brain stem cell to know where to go when
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it gets into the body, that it goes where the most versus most needed,
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where the repair is most How find that to a lay person that a
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stem cell can be plury potent. Okay, let me just before I answer
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your question different directly put that into a greater context, because I think it
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will help make this answer easier. We look at by we, I mean
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population in general. We look at stem cells as a new discovery, cutting
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edge science, new treatments. How could stem cells do this or that?
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And what we need to understand is that this is coming from the fact that
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we're just learning about it. Stem Cells have been there for as long as
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we've been humans, and they're there since the day we are born. They
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are your repair system. They have done like you will never ask that question
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when you have a cold and you say, how can the immune cells go
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to my lung and magically kill viral infected cells? It's not magical, it's
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what they do. It's their role. Stem cells do exactly the same thing.
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They are the repair system, and that's what we need to understand.
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What is new is that we didn't know about this before. And the more
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we dig, the more we find ways to tap into the regetative power of
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stem cells. But it is our repair system. So the way that they
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can become that they're pluripotent is just because it's their nature. We all started
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from one cell dosz igo, which is the sperm in the egg that makes
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the one cell that is the ultimate stem cells that has become the entire U,
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the entire us. So that was more than pluripotent. It was totipotent,
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meaning it can become everything. And as we develop after birth, we
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are left with these stem cells that are no longer toty potent, but they
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are pluripotent, meaning that they can become almost everything or a lot of things.
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And then as they progress in their transformation, not in our lives,
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but as the life of a stem cell, then it becomes more multipotent,
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meaning they can do many things, but it's more restricted. Then they become
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progenitor cells as they get into a tissue. Now they become stem cells of
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that tissue. But at the origin in the bone marrow, they are pluripotent.
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It is their role and they will find where to go because they will
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be attracted by an injured tissue as this tissue is releasing inflammatory compounds SOS compounds.
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These compounds called stem cells to that tissue, just like an infected tissue
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will call for immune cell the same mechanism. Mm hmmm, So how do
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you how do you define the difference between a stem cell and an immune cell
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or a regular cell. Eye, Every every cell of the body is referred
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to as a somatic cell. Sola means physical matter. So it's it's a
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it's a it's a cell of your body. It's the cell of your heart,
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and it does one specific thing. It contracts a cell of your retina,
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It responds to light, a better cell of your pancreas makes it insulin.
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Every cell as one specific function. It has a very specific physical structure.
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We can recognize them under a microscope and they will never transform to become
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something else. A stem cell is nothing. If you look at it on
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the under the microscope, it looks like an immune cell. You cannot really
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identify it its identity. Why what makes it a stem cell is that it's
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the only cell in your body. Then if you put it in the context
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or in the environment, let's say of a liver, it will become a
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liver cell. You put it in contact with heart cells, they will transform
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into heart cells. You put them in contact with the skin, they will
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become skin cells. So they will become any type of cell types in which
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they find themselves. So as they leave the bone mettal as a stem cell,
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So apoptosis, does cell turnover happens? They say every seven years? Right,
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So what you're born with is not going to be the cells that you
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have when you're thirty years old. So how do you explain how stem cells
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come to the aid of apoptosis to be there for you as you age.
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Very very good question, because what you just mentioned was a reality that was
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sort of like a deep, deep common sense, but there was not a
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lot of science wrapped up around this idea that you know that you change every
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seven years. What stem cell research has revealed is that the seven years in
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itself is not correct. What is correct is that there is such a thing
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as tissue turnover. We lose cells and we replace them, and there's this
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turnover. The reality is that every single organ in tissue will have its own
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turnover rate. You get a new liver every two three years, and you
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pancreas forty six years, and new skin every month, half of a new
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heart every twenty five years. The entire body is constantly in the process of
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turnover. Apoptosis is a phenomenon of let's say, cellular suicide. It's part
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of the genome of a cell. When a cell reaches certain characteristics, certain
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criteria that are the characteristics of a cell that is too old and is becoming
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dysfunctional, it triggers or cancerous. It triggers that process and it commits suicide,
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so it takes itself out of the cell, sorry the pool of cells.
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So that's what is a poptosis. So the real life of a cell
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is that it comes as a stem cells leaves the bone marrow, migrates into
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a tissue like the liver, then becomes the stem cell layer of that liver
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that they proliferate in the liver. They're called oval cells. These are the
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stem cells of the liver, and then they provide new liver cells to that
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tissue that will live their life as liver cells, which is about two three
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years in the liver, and at the end of their life they trigger a
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poptosis and then they disappear from deliver and you have this constant renewal process taking
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place in every single organ and tissue of the body. And where that is
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super important is to realize that we are born with red marrow that makes stem
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cells, but the red marrow converts into yellow marrow or fatty marrow that does
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not make stem cells very early in life. By it's thirty, we have
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lost ninety percent of our red marrow and that coincides with a ninety percent decline
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the number of stem cells in circulation, Meaning there's a point in our thirties
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when we all discover we're no longer Wonder Woman Superman. We don't have enough
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stem cells to offset this normal process of seilar loss. And that's when we
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start for the first time in our lives to think about aging, because now
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we experience it. It's from that point on, and aging from that point
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on is to a large extent, caused by this decline in the number of
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stem cells available to maintain our tissue. Does that answer your question? Yes?
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So is that pretty standard? I mean, or is there a rate
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of cellular sinessence that varies based on the lifestyle of the person or the You
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know, obviously, if you just put one fact of chronological age, but
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what about all the other factors do they affect the rate of cellular sinessence that
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might somebody might be in their forties or fifties and still have many more stem
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cells than someone who's in their thirties. Yeah, I mean these are two
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questions. So the number of stem cells is one thing. Sinessence is something
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that is different. But we are kind of early in the study of sinescence,
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not so much in the physiological reality of sin essence, but in what
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we're doing in our life in terms of lifestyle to affect sinessence, accelerate it,
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make it more important or eliminated. So we know today we know as
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of today there are compounds referred to as synolytics that are going to help these
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sinescence cells, like these cells that are old that should trigger up of poses
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but for some reason do not. Then they become disregulated and they're sort of
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negative cells for their environment. So there are ways of making these cells trigger
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up of poses and kill themselves. But there is a whole discourse, and
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I remember maybe ten years ago in French there was this idea that was developing
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and scientists were saying, well, antioxidants are good, but you could take
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too many, too more or too many antioxidants. I thought the idea was
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kind of a little strange. But now with all this emergence of all this
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science about sinroolytics, there is an interesting question as to when we provide too
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much protection for the body. Do we somewhere across a line where we protect
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these aging cells and provide them with enough nutrition to kind of continue to live
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in that sinescent cells and it's actually not positive. So there are things that
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we can do. We know exercise helps sines and cells to get away.
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And there's also autoplogy that comes into this whole process when an aging cell has
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the capacity to kind of rejuvenate by cleaning itself within and that is something that
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is taking place during fasting. Or we have discovered now that there are compounds
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like spermidine for example, and others that are going to trigger the process of
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autophagy in the cell without adding to fast So all of these can affect a
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stem cell that has penetrated a tissue and now become cells of that tissue and
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it starts its process of aging in that tissue as the stem cells themselves in
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the bowl marrow. The conversion of red marrow to yellow marrow. It has
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been known for a long time, but its significance in longevity and aging is
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a very very novel understanding. So I am not aware of any research that
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has been done to either determine what things that we do in our life,
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lifestyle, or exposure to certain components of the air, water, whatever that
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could affect the rate of conversion of the red marrow. So I'm not aware
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of that. I'm not aware of any compounds that have been studied for their
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ability to do what it's called reconversion going from fatty marrow and regrow the red
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marrow. There's one big warning is that when we see normally something called reconversion
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that your red marrows, normally, this is linked to leukemia. So so
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somewhere this concept of trying to create reconversion and graw a red marrow, lots
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of research would have to be done and safety trials would have to be done
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to make sure that that can be that can be achieved with safety. But
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if there was a way of really making red marrow re expand, it would
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probably I think be the single most impactful thing that we could do for longevity.
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The really important point that you've just made and I don't think you know.
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I would be interested if David Sinclair and Harvard was his riz vera trial
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and his snalytics, whether he would be going down that path in his research.
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Have you heard anything about anything going on there with him taking a lead
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in senalytics. Okay, well not yet, not yet. I'm still yet
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to meet David Sinclair. But I'm sure we can have a great discussion about
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it, because because what we do have a lot in common, although they
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belong to completely to different fields. And what I mean is that when a
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stem cell gets into a tissue, that stem cell will become five to ten
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thousand tissue cells. So a million stem cells that migrates in a tissue that
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has an injury, which is total, which is reality. If you release
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let's say ten million stem cells with some of the herbs that we have a
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norbal extract that we're working with, these are out of these ten millions,
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a million could very well migrate into an injured tissue and then become a billion
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tissue cells, five billion tissue cells. So when that happens, the magnification,
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the amplification taking place in the tissue costs an enormous amount of energy.
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Number one. But all these new cells need to have mitochondria. So the
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expansion of healthy mitochondria well equipped to do what new cells are doing, really
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is totally needed by these cells. So anything touching NMN and anything supporting mitochondrial
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function will have a big impact in supporting these new stem cells. So somewhere
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it's extremely complementary. Yeah, so you're what you're saying is, if you
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know, it's one thing to to mobilize from the bone marrow, it's another
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thing to migrate successfully into the tissue and to have an environment that's welcoming rather
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than destructive, because a lot of people have cells and their tissues that are
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are not welcoming the stem cells. So I don't know if that's kind of
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a simplistic way of saying it, but I think the difference between mobilization and
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migration and then acceptance there would be three levels right of the stem cell integration.
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How about question how do you measure? How can you count? Is
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there any kind of a test that a person how many stem cells they have
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any one time in their body? Yes, there's a sorry, go ahead,
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Well it's gonna say YEA. I was going to say maybe different between
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in the bone marrow versus in the tissues. There is because those are two
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very different counts. Right, how many are sitting in the bone marrow waiting
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to be mobilized and how many are in the tissues being utilized by the body
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to heal and repair. Yeah, to do a stem cell count in a
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tissue, in a human tissue, I'm not going to say it's not possible.
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It is possible, but it is a biopsy and this very specific area
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of the tissue. So to quantifye themselves in a tissue is not a simple
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matter, and I'm not aware that it is done clinically at this point.
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You can do it from the bone marrow, so that will be a bone
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marrow aspiration and that is done. We're doing a study right now on our
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product'stmorag and specifically to see its impact on the population of stem cells in the
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bone marrow. So, but once you did the aspiration or you take a
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blood sample, the technique to quantifytem cells is the same, which is basically
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the use of a flos automata. The traditional means is still usable, which
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is to plag them put them into a pittri dish and grow them in specific
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medium that will make stem cells grow. And then as you count the colony
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that are being formed, you can count the number of stem cells. But
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it's tedious and it's not as precise as the novel technology, which is flow
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cytometer. It is a machine that that aligns cells one behind the other into
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a very fine tube and as they lined up, they go in front of
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a laser and that laser will shed light of different colors and will illuminate these
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cells. And if you first attached to these cells different antibodies for markers of
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stem cells, markers of cells that are not stem cells, so it allows
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you to exclude those that are not stem cells. Then you can count the
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cells that meet all the criteria for being a stem cells and you count them.
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So that's the technique that is used with flow cytometry. That's what we
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have used in all of our studies. The problem is that that device is
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normally used in cancer treatment, so you will not find this at your doctor's
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office. You will not find this at any if you're going to have a
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normal blood sample taken for what is normally done in terms of blood tests,
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then they will not have the technique to be able the method or the equipment
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to be able to do stem cell count. I'm working on developing this machine
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right now. We're very close, So give it maybe another year and we
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may have a way fairly cheap to be able to quantify the number of stem
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cells in the blood. But when we have this technique, there's another layer
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to this. It's to understand that it is a very very small population of
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cells in your blood. And the problem is that if you just sneeze,
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for example, and you squeeze your spleen, you will change the proportional population
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of your immune your lymphocytes, and your blood. You're not going to change
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a many stem cells you have, but you're going to change your statistical power
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in counting these stem cells. So my point is that it's not a simple
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task count themselves. So I don't know when it is that we will have
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a way where somebody can go in to live and just say tell me how
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many stem cells I have in my blood and I can rely on that one
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test. So it's not done yet. It's not that advanced yet. But
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you know, because five years, ten years ago, you wouldn't have been
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able to test your telemere lanes, or your DNA methylation, or your intrinsic
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versus extrinsic age in biological aging versus chronol. I mean, all these things
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are I know, I've heard you say this and I couldn't agree with you
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more that, and I've said it many times on my podcast. In the
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last ten years there's been more advancement in medicine than the last hundred years.
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And if you step forward with AI and the other technologies that are becoming much
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more widely available, imagine what the next ten years will be like. I'll
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bet you that that will be readily available for not I mean, I just
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wonder aloud with you, is it valuable information to have as a as a
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practitioner what you know? And I know you're the on the research side,
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but developing products nutraceuticals to support your research. So do you think it's valuable
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for anyone to know? People to know other than people who have a serious
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illness, to know what their stem cell count is, just like they know
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what their blood you know certain blood markers are. I have absolutely no doubt
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in my mind that as this is more developed and people reach a greater understanding
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by people, I mean the medical community reaches a greater understanding of the role
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of stem cells and health and wellness and disease formation, that the number of
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stem cells in your bloodstream will become probably the single most relevant measure to know
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not necessarily your longevity, but how well you will live in the years to
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come. And I'm saying this because let's go back for a moment to what
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I was talking about before. As you pass thirties, the number of stem
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cells in your bloodstream declines significantly, so you don't have enough stem cells to
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offset sellar loss. If we understand that, then I published this about ten
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years ago in the scientific literature as a hypothesis, and the hypothesis was we
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develop diseases because if you think about it, every single degenerative disease is the
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loss of a type of cells. If you have diabetes, you lost the
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cells making insulin. If you have Carriomiopathy, you're losing muscle cells in your
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heart. You have parkinson you're losing cells making dopamine in your brain, and
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you go like this, to almost any diseases, it's always the loss the
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type of cell or a loss of function of a type of cells, so
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that means that from the moment you don't have enough. Oh something happened with
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your camera, Christian, can you hear me? Mm hmm, Tony true,
28:11
Okay, we lost you. We lost you for about a nano minute
28:14
here, Okay, yeah, but go ahead. I think it'll be okay.
28:19
Okay, I think do you have the recording because I think I saw
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what I started to freeze? Do you want me to go back a little
28:25
bit behind. Yeah, we can edit, so okay, Yeah, so
28:27
you go ahead and just keep it. Okay. So the idea was,
28:32
let's go and count the number of stem cells and the blood stream of people
28:34
who have developed various types of age related diseases, and let's compare that with
28:41
healthy people of the same age. And now there's a number of studies that
28:44
have been done. If you count the number of stem cells in the blood
28:47
stream of people with diabetes, at the roscrosis, art disease, copd,
28:52
erectile dysfunction, liver failure, kidney failure, lupus, arthritis, Alzheimer's,
28:57
parkinson and the list growing. Every time one of those studies is done.
29:03
The result is always the same fifty percent or less in the number of stem
29:08
cells in circulation when compared with healthy people, meaning you have developed the problem
29:15
because for one or two decades, every day you just did not have enough
29:19
stem cells to offset ceterular loss combined with lifestyle that probably accelerated ceter loss.
29:26
So the moment we understand this, it means if you can put more stem
29:32
cells in circulation every day of your life, you repair better, you maintain
29:36
your tissue better, and you maintain the hell that you have today for the
29:40
decades to come. So it will become i think, the most important parameters
29:44
to predict whether in a decade or two from now you will be healthy.
29:49
And that's really another very important point because affordability if we take a stem cell
29:56
injectables versus the oral which which you so generously have done the research to create
30:03
for humanity, which we'll talk about in a moment, But if you take
30:07
the injectibles, they're very expensive, they're not really affordable for most people.
30:12
And yet if you just kind of assume that, Okay, after thirty you're
30:18
going to have fewer of the right the red marrow stem cells, you need
30:22
to continue to improve that number those that count to have them be more efficacious
30:30
for repairing the in the body in the tissue. So if you say that
30:33
and you just kind of assume, like with heavy metals, I just assume,
30:37
why do I need to take a heavy metal test? Because I know
30:40
everybody has heavy metals, So why don't I just start treating for heavy metals
30:44
and forget the test. But I think you can pretty well assume with what
30:48
you're saying that most people I mean healthy can mean yes, you have more
30:52
stem cells available to repair the tissue. However, you still may need more
30:57
stem cells to move forward into aging, so why not just get them?
31:02
But the availability part and the affordability part, I think are the big stop
31:07
gaps. So that brings me to the very important point of stem regen,
31:12
which is the product that you've developed and is now available to the wide range
31:21
of humanity that wants to increase their stem cells. So contempt me just tell
31:26
us how that product came about, and if you could incorporate your experience at
31:33
Klamath with the development of stem regen and how they morphed into that becoming the
31:41
product that actually turned the tide for you, and there's a big, big
31:45
change in your life. But yet a lot of what you did at klamath
31:48
is now reflected in the stem regen product. Does that make sense what I'm
31:53
asking? Absolutely? Absolutely? So, as I was talking about this blue
31:59
greenology, we discovered that it was acting as a stem cell mobilizers, putting
32:02
more stem cells in circulation. If we go back in two thousand and one,
32:07
two thousand and two, and all that work was done coming out with
32:09
a message to say we have found a plan that is putting more stem cells
32:14
in circulation. I mean, without an exception, every single scientists were responding
32:20
to this by saying it doesn't mean anything. More stem cells in circulation doesn't
32:23
mean anything, and maybe actually maybe it's bad for you. So there was
32:28
and then if you don't have a mechanism of action, maybe it's just random.
32:30
So we had to go into identifying the mechanism of action, the active
32:35
compound proof of concept, and then the literature that was developing at the time
32:40
really brought all the data needed to say, yes, more stem cells is
32:45
better. So that took a number of years. We launched that extract itself
32:50
in two thousand and five. But what I continued to do is that for
32:52
me, it was clear the moment that we find that a plant as an
32:57
effect on stem cells, there has to be other plans we evolved in same
33:00
uses with the environment. Let's go back to what I was talking earlier on
33:06
the overall context is to understand that stem cells are simply the repair system of
33:09
the body, just like you have an immune system. We just discovered the
33:14
body as a repair system. So just like you don't have one single plant
33:17
in the whole world of plants having an effect on the immune system, there
33:22
has to be other plants, So how do we find them? So I
33:25
simply asked the question, just like the observations that we had on afa,
33:30
which is a plant that is bringing many, many different types of benefits,
33:34
and we discovered it because it has an effect on stem cells. Then we
33:37
started to look at other plants known to have many, many benefits. So
33:42
we looked at medicinal mushroom, gojiberry associated with longevity, some seaweeds, astragglers,
33:47
things like this that have been known oftentimes as adapto gens, meaning they
33:52
bring a lot of goods for you, but we don't know how they work
33:55
well. All of them. They have an effect on stem cells. But
34:00
the big discoveries is when I went into remote areas of the world. Like
34:05
when I had a chance to go to Madagascar, Papua New Guinea, I
34:07
didn't go, but colleagues of mine went there. So from these regions Papua
34:13
New Guinea, the Congos, South America, what are they using there outside
34:17
of the global economy, What is their go to plant for many times of
34:22
health problems? And that's where we found very interesting plants. Like in Madagascar,
34:29
they have about sixty five species of alo, but there's only one that
34:31
they have used for centuries to make a product called Vahona, which they use
34:37
for all kinds of health problems. So Vawona is made out of one species
34:40
of alo called Alo macroclata. So we tested it and we got so far
34:45
the strongest response that we have ever had. But it's not a product that
34:50
exists in the marketplace. So for that one, we had to develop our
34:52
own system of collection harvesting by tapping into the Malagasy populations and then we set
35:00
up a manufacturing plant. So now we have our own system to collect alomcroclata.
35:06
And then we also discovered on the Tibetan plateau alomcroclata sorry seabuktone berry utilized
35:14
for centuries, if not millennia, with in Tibetan medicine, Mongolian medicine,
35:19
traditional Chinese medicine. It has been used for problems of the luan of the
35:22
heart, cardiovascular system, function of the pancreas, and to help people repair
35:28
from broken bones or burn to the skin. When you look at the spread
35:31
of these benefits, to me, it's telling me it's likely that it has
35:35
an effect on stem cells. So we derived an extract in collaboration with a
35:39
company they're harvesting on the Tibetan plateau, and we documented that it acts as
35:45
a stem cell mobilizers. It needs to be seabuctne berry grown at high altitude,
35:51
and in this fashion we also owned in Notogensen, the original Gensen.
35:55
We know Gensen has been documented for centuries for so many benefit, so many
36:00
different types of benefits. We found that Notrogensen puts more stem cells in circulation.
36:06
And the last one is fichoidan, which is a polysaccharide coming from brown
36:10
seaweeds. It has been used for centuries for all kinds of benefits, but
36:16
the one we're utilizing the one from fucus. Because we can also extract from
36:22
fucus fluorotanins where has also been associated with longevity and health and repair of the
36:29
nervous system. So we were using a fiicoidan fluorotanin extract from fucus. So
36:35
these are the top five plants that we have studied over the years, and
36:38
we have included in stem regen, where you take two capsules of stem regen
36:43
and you will release an average of ten million of your own stem cells.
36:47
Okay, So what happened to the blue green alergy while was that not included
36:52
in the stem regen if that was where you start it is it is?
36:57
So it's stem regen seaboctone berry almada, notrogensen in the fugus extract. Okay.
37:02
So if you're taking blue green algae or you're doing green drinks, that
37:08
only enhances what you're already getting with the sem regenda, right that which will
37:14
be you would have to take five grams of it to be able to get
37:17
the effect of what we have in stemagen. So it's it's totally doable.
37:22
Okay. So what about the person who wants to get the extra bang for
37:28
the bug and has the extra availability of the monetary side. What about combining
37:37
the injections with the sem regenda. Have you done any research on the effects
37:42
of the two together versus one each one by itself. Yeah, we have
37:47
done. Actually it's ongoing. It's a research that is ongoing right now,
37:51
and it came from the fact that the idea of doing it came from a
37:55
colleague of mind in. He's a cardiologist in Madrid and also in Miami,
38:00
and I've been working with him for many years a decade and then he would
38:06
typically do stem cell injection and then use stem reygen with the stem cell injection,
38:10
and he historically he gets much better results than his colleagues, and oftentimes
38:15
when he mentions that to his colleagues, they don't believe it because it's hard
38:21
to believe that these two simple capsules can have that kind of impact on health
38:25
and recovery. So we decided to just document that in a study. So
38:30
we have an ongoing study right now where we study congestive art failure. So
38:35
the patients, the participants all have stable chronic congestive art failure. They are
38:38
treated with all the typical treatments that is being provided to these patients, and
38:44
then we simply add on top of this either stem reygen alone or stem cell
38:49
injection or a combination of both. And the idea was to be able to
38:52
compare how stem regen compares to an injection, but also what benefits do you
38:58
get by combining both. And it's ongoing, so we have preliminary data on
39:02
ten of these participants, and what we can share is that of these ten
39:08
participants, all of them have seen significant improvement in cardiac function to the point
39:14
where after six months their heart function is pretty much normalized. When we compare
39:19
that with stem cell injection, they get slightly better results, but when we
39:22
combine the both stem cell injection and stem regen, they get much better results.
39:27
So really what is coming out of that study? And it's ongoing,
39:30
so we will publish all the data and when it's final. I'm working right
39:34
now and publishing these preliminary data. But it pretty much says if you can't
39:37
afford stem cell injection, then it will be foolish to not add stem regen
39:42
with it. And if you can't afford stem cell injection, then tapping into
39:46
something that can release your own stem cells put more of your own stem cells
39:51
in circulation already enhances your inaability of repair enough to bring you significant benefits.
40:00
Christian, what is the difference between the umbilical and the embryonic or embryonic and
40:05
then the adult stem cells. I know there's a lot of controversy. People
40:08
don't understand the difference. Most you know, most people think that the best
40:13
thing is to get the umbilical because that's the baby stem cells that haven't matured
40:16
and they're much more effective. So can you just explain those those terms to
40:23
people to yes, the the embryonic stem cells are not really a thing.
40:30
I mean, there's there are a thing on the research side. On the
40:34
treatment side, uh, they are too wild as stem cells, if I
40:37
put it into in simple terms, and they have too high of a risk
40:42
of developing tumor form creating tumor formation, so they're not reutilized. So that's
40:46
not really an option in the marketplace. So the main options will be umbilical
40:52
cord stem cells or adult stem cells. And adult stem cells can come from
40:54
your blood, your bone marrow, or from your fat tissue. Umbilical cords
41:00
stem cells are also adult stem cells, so the difference between the two.
41:04
And let me preface this by saying that you will find people who will only
41:09
swear about umbilical cord stem cells and they'll tell you they're the best, and
41:15
then the rest is really not valid, and you have other people will tell
41:17
you the best is fat derived stem cells much better than umbilical stem cells,
41:22
and they will only pitch sort of that side. Let me try to be
41:25
as objective as I can, because it doesn't matter to me. I'm not
41:29
in that in that industry. The advantage with umbilical cord stem cells is to
41:35
understand that stem cells age in your body. So if you let me just
41:40
share a study, for example, done in mice. If you take a
41:43
relatively old mouse, let's say a ten month old mouse, and you trigger
41:47
an injury in that animal. And if you take stem cells from an old
41:52
mouse and you inject those stem cells compared to stem sales umbilical cord stem cells
41:58
from a mouse or from a very young mouse, you will get much better
42:00
repair with young stem cells. So young stem cells are more effective. From
42:07
that, there is an idea that developed on the marketplace, I mean in
42:10
things like for example, Tony Robbins's book, where the message that they're conveying
42:15
is that past forty years of age, your stem cells are worthless and therefore
42:20
you need on bilical court stem cells. This is entirely false. There is
42:23
no truth to that. There's a truth to the fact that they're not as
42:27
good as when you were two years old, no question about it. But
42:30
the study that I just talked about on congestive art failure that populations are men
42:37
and women between the age of sixty eight and seventy six years old, and
42:40
after six months just of releasing their old stem cells, they have recovered normal
42:45
heart function. So there's no truth to that they are less effective, but
42:51
they're still very effective. So the argument against onbilical court stem cells, it
42:58
is a weaker and weaker argument as we move forward. But it is the
43:01
fact that as you inject or as you isolate umbilical cord stem cells, they
43:07
come from a different individual. So you rarely have something that is one hundred
43:13
percent just one thing. You always have some impurities. So these impurities,
43:19
they are foreign objects in your body, foreign bodies, so your body can
43:23
react to them. And we still don't know in ten, fifteen, twenty
43:27
years down the road, are you going to slowly develop some form of portu
43:31
immune problem or super slow grade rejection, That is that could be the source
43:37
of a problem in the future. As we move the probability of this is
43:42
going less and less because we don't seem to see that emerging. But we
43:45
have not done this long enough to be certain about it. So that is
43:49
one. The other one is that you are now bringing genetic code from another
43:54
person, which can have positive and negative effect. Positive meaning that it brings
44:00
diversity into your gene pool population if you want so. Now you've seated your
44:05
bone marrow with cells that have the different genetic material, and if anything,
44:09
it could complement and make you stronger. But if you have genes in there
44:14
that are prone to tumor formation, for example, or other sort of deleterious
44:19
effect in your body, now you start to have that in your body.
44:22
So these are the arguments against some bilical cord. I think that at the
44:25
end of the day, they don't amount to a significant risk, So I'm
44:30
not saying don't do a bilical corde injection. But there's an interesting alternative,
44:35
which is fat derived stem cells. Because the stem cells in your fat tissue
44:38
are relatively dormant stem cells. So when you take stem cells from your fat
44:44
tissue, if you are let's say sixty years old. There are not sixty
44:47
year old stem cells, so that's a nice alternative. And you have plenty
44:53
of them, so you can extract those stem cells many times in your lives.
44:58
So it kind of a little bit the idea of making sure you capture
45:01
your newborn stem cells in case he needs them in his life down the road.
45:07
Fat stem sales are pretty good. I'm not saying don't do it.
45:10
What I'm saying is that the cost, like the return of investment of keeping
45:15
these stales, these stem cells frozen for decades when we don't really know when
45:20
you really thought them forty years later, are they going to be as effective
45:23
as your fat stem cells as a forty year old. This is still a
45:27
question that is unanswered. So in any case, I think fat derived stem
45:31
cells are just as good. And then you have Booe arrow stem cells that
45:37
you can aspirate. They're more preypotent your than your fat stem cells, but
45:43
they have age, not necessarily as much as you, but they have age,
45:46
and they're not as powerful as a stem cells lit in and what you
45:50
get from your fat tissue, but they can become everything in your body.
45:52
So that's kind of the spectrum here so that's why some of the top top
45:57
clinics. What they will do is that they will extract, they will take
46:00
a boomeraw aspiration, they will take fat derived stem cells, and they will
46:04
add to this biblical court stem cells. They make that cocktail and that's what
46:07
they give you, which is really sort of the the ultimate stem cell injection.
46:13
And where can you go if you want it? In the United States
46:15
where stem cells are still heavily regulated? Can you get these injections that you
46:22
just described here in the US the cocktail that I just described now is done,
46:28
I believe, I don't know if it's still done. I believe it
46:30
is still done by the clinic of Harry Hadelsen in Utah. So he is
46:36
one of the clinics doing that in the country. I'm not aware of another
46:39
one that does all this cocktail in the country. You can get that easily
46:44
in Panama and Costa Rica and Columbia or many various clinics have been set up.
46:47
And that's the kind of approach that they're taking, which is a very
46:50
effective approach. The approach that we are taking with a project a product like
46:54
stemmery gen and erbil extract that release your own stem cells. Is that is
46:59
that you can do this every day. You cannot go and get these types
47:02
of injections every day. Of course, you cannot even do this every month.
47:07
Just once a year is already a significant burden for most people. So
47:13
here you take two capsules and you release ten million of your own stem cells.
47:16
You can do this every day. After a month, you've released three
47:20
hundred million of your own stem sales, after a year, you have released
47:23
essentially or billion of your own stem cells. It starts to be cumulatively a
47:29
very very significant impact on your body's ability to stay healthy. And then you
47:34
combine that with doing other things that reduces the rate at which you lose sales
47:39
good diet and m N good lifestyle, and then I am pretty sure that
47:45
you can definitely increase your health span very significantly, if not your lifespan.
47:52
Okay, So I have another question, because I know doctor Todd. You
47:57
and I spoke about doctor Orikaitis and he's one of my sponsors, and excuse
48:02
me, and and he mentioned that he trained doctor Edison, I think,
48:07
and you tell so I had heard about doctor Edison, but he said the
48:09
price was so you know, out there for treatment that you know, most
48:15
people wouldn't even be able to consider it. But what do you feel about
48:20
what doctor Todd and Matria and you know doctor Todd overkitis, what and he's
48:25
doing in Carlsbad. Yeah, I would, honestly I would. I would
48:31
need to go and visit him and get more detail about what he's doing to
48:36
be really real to talk about it. V sales so very small embryonic like
48:40
stem cells. They are the most potent type of stem cells in the body.
48:45
They are in a dormant state, they can be in an activated state.
48:49
Interestingly enough, some of the plants that we have in stem reagen,
48:52
we have also documented that they also increased the number of these v cals in
48:58
the blood and also activate a number of them, so they can be activated
49:02
on their own or at least with plants. But I would need to just
49:07
know more about what he's doing. I have heard only good things, so
49:09
there's nothing I can say. But it's hard for me to say anything more
49:14
because I still have some questions before I can have a full understanding about effective
49:19
the approach is. So I'll do this. I'll reach out to him and
49:22
I'll go and visit him. Yeah, I would love to and I can.
49:25
I mean, you know each other say, I don't need to connect.
49:28
But when I went there and I did the treatment with him, they
49:34
took vials of my blood and then they cent refuge that with and then they
49:38
laser it back into the body and they pick four or five areas of the
49:44
body that or they ask you, you know, what areas would you like
49:49
to have injected? So that that's the only thing. I never felt anything
49:53
different after US. I mean one thing they did say that they did the
49:59
scene Organs and they said, oh you might you might get your menstrual cycle
50:04
again, which would be quite shocking. But but I didn't. And so
50:10
I don't, you know, I never felt anything different. I guess you
50:13
don't feel anything. You just know that it's doing good for the for your
50:16
body. But and I had nothing to repair so at that moment in time,
50:22
so it wasn't like we were trying to do a wound healing or something
50:25
like that. But yeah, so, I mean he's definitely one and you
50:30
know that. And then European Wellness, you know doctor Michael Chan from uh
50:37
Okay, I'm gonna after the podcast, I'm going to send you his contact
50:39
info. There I think they used sheet though, is that something that you
50:45
would ever entertain as using stem cells from animals? I would not. I
50:51
think this is just me okay, But I think that a lot of these
50:54
techniques, these methods were developed in the early days of stem cell research,
51:00
a time when we did not understand really the power of the stem cells that
51:05
we find in the human body. So as we discover really what stem cells
51:08
can do, then the go to is to go and where can we get
51:13
them? So we can get them from sheep. I mean, I've heard
51:15
treatments done with cheap stem cells, fish stem cells, ducts them cells.
51:21
But the moment that we realize that the human body as stem cells and we
51:24
can get them from the human body, uh, you know you inject the
51:30
stem cells from a sheep, that means you have sheep DNA in your in
51:32
your body. So how really viable are these cells? And is the sorry
51:38
no, that it's exactly my I want to have peg, so I would
51:45
not I would not do it. And what you said something before that is
51:49
important to just emphasize stem cells are your repair system, whether you feel something
51:54
or not. When you put more stem cells in circulation, that's what stem
51:59
cells do, they will either go and find an area in the body to
52:02
go and repair, or they will be called back by the bone marrow.
52:07
And as they go back in the bone marrow, if they come let's say
52:09
from embryonic stem cells or from your fat tissue, as younger stem cells,
52:14
they go back and they become another source of new stem cells that will be
52:20
re released. So you're kind of repopulating your stem cells. Because that's how
52:23
if somebody has a treatment for leukemia, what they do is that they irradiate
52:29
the person and then inject stem cells in the bloodstream. These stem cells go
52:32
back to the bone marrow and they reconstitute the entire bone marrow. So these
52:37
stem cells when we inject them, they find their way to the bone marrow.
52:39
So as you do this, you recreate a new younger strain if you
52:45
want, of stem cells, and they will re echo for benefits for a
52:49
long time after the injections. So my point in all of this is that
52:52
as you put more stem cells in the body, they do what stem cells
52:57
do. They will repair. You may not nessis Saley experienced the benefit and
53:00
the thought that it was worthless because I didn't feel the benefit is a wrong
53:05
conclusion. If your stem cells did not do what stem cells do, you
53:08
would not be alive. Keep in mind, you have a liver and you
53:12
liver every two three years. So the fact that you're still alive today means
53:15
your stem cells are doing their work. So feeling them is great, I
53:20
understand, but they do the job no matter what. That's really important.
53:24
Okay, Well, you know, I wanted to tell you that I use
53:29
a time would go buy very very fast today and it has and so they
53:32
just flagged me that where you have to end it. But I wanted to
53:37
let people know how to reach you and how to buy stem Regen, and
53:40
I wanted to mention there that very generous offer that for the consumer who looks
53:50
at your website, I guess goes to your website, which is what it
53:52
is. It www dot stem Regen dot com. It's stem Regen dot co.
53:58
So stem Regen dot C. Okay coo everybody, Okay, So go
54:02
to the website and then we'll I'll work with Christians people to get a code.
54:09
But the code that we usually use is ageless. So if I can
54:14
just assume that will work, and if not, I will put it on
54:17
the show. Notes, but if ages will work, that will get you
54:21
a fifteen percent discount. And I've been using this product now for I think
54:27
for four or five months, Christian, you so kindly sent me some and
54:31
I take two a day. I don't you know, like you said,
54:36
I'm not feeling any differently, but I know that they're doing their job,
54:39
so that gives me comfort. So that's what I think everybody should be aware
54:44
of. I can't think of a better way to increase your stem cells and
54:50
to do it orally because the other available, the other injectable, is just
54:53
not as practical for most people. So this is a way to address the
54:59
issue that you stem cells are decreasing as we age, and they're not as
55:02
a high quality. But this way, with the stem regen, you're giving
55:07
your body its ability to produce its own And you know, I say this
55:10
all the time to my my hormonal my endocrinologist doctor. I say, you
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know, I don't want my body to get lazy and stop making the thyroid
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or the DHA or whatever the hormone. So the same thing with stem cells.
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You want your body to be encouraged with the stimulants that are are the
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ingredients I don't want to say stimulate ingredients that are in the products here that
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Christian has so you know, just d diligently researched. I mean, you
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don't find products like this just anywhere. I believe me, I've done my
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homework on stem Regen. So I'm giving my you know, angels and timeless
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endorsement because I think you know that it's something very important that people should know
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about and easy to do. So okay, So to reach you if they
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have if someone had questions, Christian, is there somewhat a clinical person at
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your company that someone could talk to, Well, they can go on the
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well Instagram at stem Cell Christian and they can DM me there or if not
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care at stem region dot co and then it will get to somebody that can
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answer. Okay, because I'm sure a lot of people do have questions before
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they jump into something like this, or even after they've been taking it for
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a while. So all right, Well we have to, sadly, and
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but I spend a fascinating discussion and you've covered things that are complicated in a
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very lay person's way that you know, very understandable, and I know you
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probably have to come down several notches because this is you know, a visit,
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the talent unto itself to be able to take the complex and make it
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understandable for the for the masses. So I do appreciate that you can do
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that so effectively, and I would like to thank you for taking the time
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today and being so gracious to share your knowledge and this incredible product and your
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book. By the way, people want to read the book. Thank you
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again, Christian, have a beautiful weekend and take care of them. Okay, bye bye