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Helen Gretchen Jones · Postcards to the Universe

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Postcards to the Universe with Melissa Capria. Do
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Speaker 1: you believe in magic? What if you were told that
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Speaker 1: all you had to do was get a little creative
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Speaker 1: and work a magic spell to bring anything you can
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Speaker 1: imagine into your life. Here on Postcards to the Universe,
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Speaker 1: we will share manifesting tips, postcards, creativity, abundance, and prosperity.
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Speaker 1: Here is your host, Melissa Capria.
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Speaker 2: Hi everybody, and welcome to Postcards to the Universe with
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Speaker 2: Melissa Creating the life you crave. Oh my god, can
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Speaker 2: you believe we are in December already? I'm like, where
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Speaker 2: did this year? This crazy year by the way, go, Like,
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Speaker 2: I can't believe we're on We're going to be in
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, Like in life in thirty days. It's
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Speaker 2: just nuts. I hope everybody is doing well. I know
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Speaker 2: there's craziness and a lot of things going on in
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Speaker 2: the world, so I hope you guys are all staying grounded.
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Speaker 2: And for those who are in the United States, I
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Speaker 2: hope Thanksgiving was really good for you and you got
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Speaker 2: to spend it with either your family or friends or
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Speaker 2: loved ones and you found things to be grateful for.
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Speaker 2: So today I have a really interesting guest. She's an intuitive,
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Speaker 2: a death doula and a channeler, Halen Gretchen Jones, and
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Speaker 2: she is going to join me in just a couple
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Speaker 2: of minutes. To my regulars, I want to say thank
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Speaker 2: you so much and happy holidays, and I really appreciate
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Speaker 2: you listening to me each week, and I get your
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Speaker 2: enjoy my show and you like the variety of guests
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Speaker 2: that I bring on, so I really appreciate that. And
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Speaker 2: to say welcome, and I hope that you enjoy the show,
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Speaker 3: To listen to more shows.
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Speaker 2: And just so you know that we do record the
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Speaker 2: shows live, so if you are liking the show and
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Speaker 2: you want to listen to other shows that I've done,
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Speaker 2: description about who the guest is and what the show's about,
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Speaker 2: and I also put it up on postcards to the
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Speaker 2: universe dot Com, which is my website under podcasts, so
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Speaker 2: you can find out all the information about previous shows
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Speaker 2: and you can listen anytime you like, and of course
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Speaker 2: we're on all the podcasting platforms. A little bit about
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Speaker 2: me if you don't know, I am a photographer, I'm
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Speaker 2: an artist, and I'm an author, and I have a
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Speaker 2: book titled Postcards to the Universe, Harness the Universe's power
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Speaker 2: and manifest your dreams. And in my book, I talk
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Speaker 2: all about manifesting and using manifesting postcards kind of like
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Speaker 2: a vision board to create what it is you want
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Speaker 2: to bring into your life. And now that we are
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Speaker 2: at the end of the year, this is a great
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Speaker 2: time to create a little manifesting postcard and send it
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Speaker 2: to me. I photograph it, and when your story shows
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Speaker 2: up in your reality, we can share the stories. So
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Speaker 2: in my book, I have thirty manifesting stories and the
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Speaker 2: photos I took of the postcards, and we share all
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Speaker 2: about manifesting in areas of health and love and money
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Speaker 2: and wellness and abundance.
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Speaker 3: And I have a lot of writing exercises.
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Speaker 2: It was so much fun to create the book, and
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Speaker 2: I even rephotographed all the original postcards from when the
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Speaker 2: book came out because it's been five years already.
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Speaker 3: I can't even believe it. It's been five years.
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Speaker 2: So my photography has changed, I've changed, I've grown, things
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Speaker 2: have just blossomed.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, it's been fun going back.
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Speaker 2: Over the old stories, the old images, I mean, and
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Speaker 2: re resharing new images from the story. So if you
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Speaker 2: want to know about how to do or send me
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Speaker 2: a manifesting postcard, go to old Times, I mean, go
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Speaker 2: to postcards to the universe dot com and there's a
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Speaker 2: how to and where to send the postcard. But I'm
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Speaker 2: telling you, setting your intentions for the new year is
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Speaker 2: really really great. What is it that you want to
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Speaker 2: bring in in twenty twenty five? Start thinking about those
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Speaker 2: things and adding a visual component to it, to me,
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Speaker 2: just makes it even more magical. And then I take
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Speaker 2: them and then I photograph them, and boom, we just
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Speaker 2: even share even bigger to the universe. So okay, let
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Speaker 2: me get to my guest today. Helen Gretchen Jones is
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Speaker 2: a compassionate death doula. She's an intuitive a channeler who
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Speaker 2: writes about shared death experiences and the essence of spiritual consciousness.
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Speaker 2: Her writing focuses on fostering loving connections with oneself and others,
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Speaker 2: and her work emphasizes trusting personal experiences and the teachings
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Speaker 2: she channels from her team in Spirit, known as the
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Speaker 2: A Team.
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Speaker 3: I Love That.
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Speaker 2: Helen holds a dual master's degree in art history and
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Speaker 2: theology from Saint Edward's University. She's also a certified in
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Speaker 2: soundabowl therapy, Reiki, hypnosis, and past life regressions. Beyond her
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Speaker 2: role as a death doula, Helen serves as an intuitive
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Speaker 2: guide delivering messages from Spirit. She co teaches seminars with
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Speaker 2: her community, ranging from grounding techniques to interpreting messages and
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Speaker 2: signs from Spirit and enriching the lives of diverse women
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Speaker 2: across Central Texas. When she's not working with hospice patients,
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Speaker 2: writing or teaching, she can be found on her family
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Speaker 2: ranch hanging out with her husband Taylor, their children, Ty
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Speaker 2: and Ellie, and their menagerie of animals including birds, cats, llamas,
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Speaker 2: and goats.
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Speaker 3: Oh how cool?
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Speaker 2: And If you want to find out more about her,
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Speaker 2: go to her website Helen Gretchen Jones dot com. I'm
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Speaker 2: gonna spell it for you because we're on radio. It's
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Speaker 2: Helen H. E.
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Speaker 4: L E.
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Speaker 2: N Gretchen g R E. T C H E. N. Jones,
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Speaker 2: j O N E S dot Com. Welcome Helen, thanks
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Speaker 2: so much for being here with me.
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Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Wiliss, I'm happy to be here.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really really excited to talk to you about
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Speaker 2: this because not people have heard, obviously doulah and they
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Speaker 2: think of birth right, that's what they think, you know,
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Speaker 2: so too many people don't think of a death doula.
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Speaker 2: So why don't you share a little bit about yourself
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Speaker 2: and how you got in to the work that you're doing,
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Speaker 2: and what inspired you to do this kind of work,
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Speaker 2: because I imagine it can't be easy to do, you know,
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Speaker 2: this kind of work.
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Speaker 4: You know it can be difficult. But for the most part,
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Speaker 4: when I enter into the situation, I feel very very
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Speaker 4: prepared and centered, so it's not as hard as some
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Speaker 4: might think. But I'd always had a connection to spirit
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Speaker 4: ever since I was really really little, so there is
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Speaker 4: a spiritual component to my work as a death doula.
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Speaker 5: But a death doula.
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Speaker 4: Is simply someone who assists someone through their transition, and
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Speaker 4: doula literally means to assist, so it could be through
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Speaker 4: birth or it could be through death. Whenever I'm sitting
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Speaker 4: with a patient, though I utilize my intuition and my
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Speaker 4: connection to spirit. That not all death doulas do that,
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Speaker 4: and it's certainly not a requirement for being a death doula.
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Speaker 4: But in twenty fifteen, my dad transit and he was
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Speaker 4: only in his fifties, he was very young, and yeah,
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Speaker 4: I know it was. It was hard on the whole family,
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Speaker 4: and it was relatively unexpected, and there was so much
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Speaker 4: that still needed to be said and healed between my
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Speaker 4: dad and especially one of my sisters. And when I
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Speaker 4: learned about a death doula as someone who can bring
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Speaker 4: closure and peace to both families and the patient before
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Speaker 4: they transition, I thought, I want to be a part
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Speaker 4: of that. If I could relieve someone from experiencing what
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Speaker 4: one of my sisters did through the not having closure
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Speaker 4: through the death of a parent or a loved one,
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Speaker 4: I wanted to be a part of that. So that's
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Speaker 4: how I got started.
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Speaker 3: Yeah that makes sense, I mean I can.
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Speaker 2: I lost my sister two years ago kind of unexpectedly also, and.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
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Speaker 2: I think that we need to do more of this
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Speaker 2: kind of work that you doing, because I don't think
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Speaker 2: a lot of people are familiar with that this is
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Speaker 2: may be an option for them, especially obviously if you
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Speaker 2: have somebody who's turned I mean, you know, it has
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Speaker 2: to be somebody who we know is transitioning, because if
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Speaker 2: you die in an accident, right, I mean you can't, right,
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Speaker 2: So you you're you're dealing with the end of someone's life.
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Speaker 2: And to have somebody help you through that process, I
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Speaker 2: think it's such a beautiful, beautiful thing that you can
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Speaker 2: do and do do.
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Speaker 3: Families call you? Do you work through hospice?
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Speaker 2: Like how would somebody go about finding a death dola?
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Speaker 4: So there are websites.
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Speaker 5: I'm trying to think of.
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Speaker 4: Ilda International Association near I'm sorry, International end of Life Doula.
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Speaker 4: That's the day you can look them up. There's a
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Speaker 4: large group of death doulas and they have a sort
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Speaker 4: of like the Yellow Pages of death doulas. But I
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Speaker 4: get hired by PACE, and I've also been hired by
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Speaker 4: their families. It depends on sort of what they're looking for.
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Speaker 4: And then I also do volunteer work through hospices and
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Speaker 4: through a program called NOTA which is that no one
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Speaker 4: Dies Alone program that's hospital based. So I'm sort of
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Speaker 4: using my skills, both through as with clients and also
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Speaker 4: through volunteer efforts.
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Speaker 2: Okay, that makes sense, you know what I think, knowing
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Speaker 2: myself and now kind of the work that I'm doing,
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Speaker 2: if I knew I was terminal, I would probably hire it.
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Speaker 2: I would hire somebody like you for my family, you know,
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Speaker 2: and for me to help me through the process, knowing
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Speaker 2: that that would be an option.
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Speaker 3: I just think that's so beautiful. So is that what your.
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Speaker 2: Book Healing Whispers from Spirit Guides. Do you talk about
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Speaker 2: the patients and the clients that you work with in
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Speaker 2: the book or is your book more on connecting with
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Speaker 2: your spirit guides and having conversations or both.
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Speaker 4: Actually, it's a little bit of both. It's a lot
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Speaker 4: of my patient stories. Actually, so every other chapter is
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Speaker 4: a beautiful story of have one of my patients, you know,
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Speaker 4: hired or volunteered, it doesn't really matter how they transition
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Speaker 4: their journey towards death, and usually it's a shared spiritual
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Speaker 4: connection that I have with them as they're transitioning. So
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Speaker 4: I shared those stories and I, yeah, oh they're so beautiful.
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Speaker 4: And let me tell you, I've been journaling these for years.
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Speaker 4: So when I decided to write the book. I just
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Speaker 4: picked some of my favorites. And also I have the
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Speaker 4: chapter before each patient is before each patient story is
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Speaker 4: what I've learned by serving the dying community, and also
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Speaker 4: what I've learned through interacting with my team and Spirit
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Speaker 4: and having other interactions with Spirit in general. So and
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Speaker 4: I end each chapter with a channeled message from my
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Speaker 4: team and Spirit, whom I call a team. So it
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Speaker 4: really kind of covers a lot of information in the book.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Yeah, you're going to have to definitely
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Speaker 2: share some of those stories. But before we do, I
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Speaker 2: want to ask, when you say you're a team, when
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Speaker 2: you were a kid, were you getting messages like were
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Speaker 2: you talking to spirit and you didn't know what it was?
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Speaker 2: And like you're telling your parents when and were they
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Speaker 2: like what are you talking about?
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Speaker 3: Like what is this?
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Speaker 2: Or or were they more open and it was very
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Speaker 2: open in your home. I'm always curious about that when
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Speaker 2: I talk to people who connect with spirits, because I
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Speaker 2: get varying degrees from my guests. Some people are like, oh, no,
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Speaker 2: my family was very religious and totally closed off, and
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Speaker 2: then I get others who are like, oh, yeah, I
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Speaker 2: found out my mom was intuitive or my father was
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Speaker 2: you know that kind of thing.
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Speaker 4: So for me, my family was not religious and they
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Speaker 4: were not open to it. Okay, I remember getting messages
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Speaker 4: from spirit when I was very very little. I would
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Speaker 4: be four or five years old, and I would go
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Speaker 4: and get into an empty bathtub, and that was my way.
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Speaker 4: No one would bother me in the bathroom and I
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Speaker 4: could just focus on the silence for a little while,
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Speaker 4: and it was there frequently that spirit would come through
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Speaker 4: and just basically tell me everything's going to be okay.
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Speaker 4: And it wasn't a visual usually it was just a
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Speaker 4: voice and tell me and it would make me feel better. Now,
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Speaker 4: sometimes I would get the visuals and then I would
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Speaker 4: go tell my parents and they would say, oh, you know,
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Speaker 4: especially my dad, Oh I believe you believe that's what
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Speaker 4: you saw, which is very dismissive. But the experiences, even
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Speaker 4: as a young teenager and as a young child, were
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Speaker 4: so transformative that it didn't make me question the validity
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Speaker 4: of the experience. It made me question if my parents
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Speaker 4: had the wisdom that maybe I was receiving. It made
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Speaker 4: me question how much they really knew. So I never
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Speaker 4: really put it away, you know, and disbelieved even if
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Speaker 4: they made me think it was imagination or a dream
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Speaker 4: or whatever they tried to tell me it was. I
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Speaker 4: knew better, but it did make me sort of question
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Speaker 4: their wisdom.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that makes I mean, that makes sense. And
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Speaker 2: I think now, I'm sure you've noticed as we're progressing
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Speaker 2: that we are more and more people are doing this
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Speaker 2: kind of work and you meet more and more like
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Speaker 2: it's like talked about more like dinner conversations now, which
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Speaker 2: I kind of love, you know, like people aren't afraid to.
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Speaker 3: Say, oh, yeah, this is you know, I channel.
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Speaker 2: Spirits or I read you know, oracle cards, or I
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Speaker 2: get messages from Angel's or you know what I mean.
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Speaker 2: And I love that it's becoming more mainstream. Okay, So,
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Speaker 2: so as you're working with a person who is transitioning,
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Speaker 2: if you wouldn't mind, I would love for you to
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Speaker 2: share one of the experiences that you've had. Obviously you
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Speaker 2: have permission from the people or you change their names
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Speaker 2: or whatever because you wrote it in your book. So
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Speaker 2: if you could share something with us, that would be wonderful.
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Speaker 4: Yes, I did change their names just to respect their privacy,
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Speaker 4: in the family's privacy. But the most transformative experience that
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Speaker 4: I have ever had so far is the story of
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Speaker 4: mister Virgil. I had been out late and it was
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Speaker 4: past midnight, which is late for me, and I saw
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Speaker 4: an email come through that was notifying me of a
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Speaker 4: note to activation. So there was a patient who was
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Speaker 4: actively dying. That would be someone who's going to transition
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Speaker 4: in the next seventy two hours, and they need They
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Speaker 4: don't have family, or family couldn't come in, or they
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Speaker 4: burned all their bridges or the the last of their kind,
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Speaker 4: so they need volunteers to come in and sit with
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Speaker 4: them in the hospital. So I looked to see what
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Speaker 4: time shifts are available. They do it in three hour shifts,
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Speaker 4: and all the good shifts were taken, but I did
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Speaker 4: see that there was an availability at six o'clock in
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Speaker 4: the morning. Well that was in just a few hours,
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Speaker 4: and I knew that if I were to make it
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Speaker 4: to the hospital on time and presentable, that I was
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Speaker 4: going to have to wake up at four point thirty.
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Speaker 4: And I was so tired, but I felt this gut
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Speaker 4: feeling that I needed to be there, and so I
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Speaker 4: told a team, I'm just like, all right, guys, if
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Speaker 4: I'm supposed to be there, you're going to have to
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Speaker 4: wake me up, I'm not sitting in alarm well. Sure enough,
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Speaker 4: at four twenty eight, I wake up to the sound
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Speaker 4: a song in my head and it's Colors by the
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Speaker 4: Black Pumas, and I don't know if you ever heard
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Speaker 4: that song, but it talks about the blue skies and
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Speaker 4: the green meadows and the you know, the tree leaves,
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Speaker 4: and it's a beautiful song and even one lyric that
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Speaker 4: I hadn't heard before at this time. It says, now
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Speaker 4: take me to the other side, which I hadn't ever
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Speaker 4: heard before until I heard this at this point, so
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Speaker 4: I was like, oh, okay, this is going to be
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Speaker 4: relevant somehow. So I get up, I get dressed, I
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Speaker 4: hop in the car, I turn on the radio. Colors
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Speaker 4: by the Black Pumas was playing on the radio now,
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Speaker 4: and I'm like, okay, And then I get a quick
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Speaker 4: download of information from eighteen that my patient is going
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Speaker 4: to be male, he's going to be black, and he's
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Speaker 4: going to be suffering with panic attacks.
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Speaker 3: Oh wow, Okay.
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Speaker 4: At the time, I was having panic attack issues that
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Speaker 4: I don't know, they seemed to come out of the blue.
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Speaker 4: And now I know there, you know, there's really a
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Speaker 4: reason for everything. But I was worried about going in
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Speaker 4: because whenever you're if you've ever experienced a panic attack,
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Speaker 4: sometimes watching someone else have one can trigger one for you.
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Speaker 4: So I was really worried for myself going in, but
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Speaker 4: I needed to set that aside. And as I stepped in,
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Speaker 4: sure enough, there was mister Virgil, male, black, and having
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Speaker 4: panic attacks about every every ninety seconds, so we were
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Speaker 4: it was It's really if you were just physically focused,
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Speaker 4: it can be really hard to watch, which is why
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Speaker 4: I had to tune in to him on a more
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Speaker 4: spiritual level. The reason that eighteen gave me the information
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Speaker 4: about him, like you know, black male panic attacks, that
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Speaker 4: kind of thing. It's just so that when I arrive
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Speaker 4: and it's validated, then I know that I'm tuned into
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Speaker 4: a team and tuned into spirit and that I'm ready
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Speaker 4: to go on this journey with this patient.
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Speaker 5: So as I sit.
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Speaker 4: Down with mister Virgil and I realized I was he
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Speaker 4: was on medication already to calm his anxiety and it
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Speaker 4: wasn't working. I was going to connect to him on
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Speaker 4: the spiritual level, and as I laid my hands on
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Speaker 4: his arm, the hospital room seemed to like transform into
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Speaker 4: this just like.
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Speaker 5: The lyrics of colors, loose.
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Speaker 4: Skies, cream meadow. Excuse me, pardon me? I was coughing
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Speaker 4: for a second.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say I thought I thought you disappeared.
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Speaker 3: I'm like, wait a second, do we have a connection.
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Speaker 4: Oh?
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Speaker 2: Okay, So and you're coughing, okay, maybe here here, right here,
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Speaker 2: right now, but all right, make sure you tell my
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Speaker 2: story the right way.
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Speaker 5: That's funny. I just muted so you wouldn't hear me coughing.
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Speaker 5: Sorry about that.
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Speaker 3: Okay, No, that's okay, as long as we didn't lose
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Speaker 3: a connection. Go ahead, Yeah, go ahead.
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Speaker 4: So it was beautiful, and I'm in this green meadow
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Speaker 4: and when I'm standing there, and this frequently happens where
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Speaker 4: I'm in two worlds at once with my patient.
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Speaker 5: It's a shared death experience.
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Speaker 4: So when I'm standing there, though, every blade of grass emanates,
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Speaker 4: like every leaf emanates like from the inside out. Every
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Speaker 4: single thing seems to have a life of its own
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Speaker 4: and a light of its own. And there's this tone,
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Speaker 4: tone or melody. Maybe it's behind me. Well, I can't
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Speaker 4: explain it. There's no beats like drums like music, you know,
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Speaker 4: but there's like there is music.
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Speaker 5: It's a sound.
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Speaker 4: It's coming from everywhere, coming from everything. And as I'm
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Speaker 4: standing in this field, in this meadow, i am standing
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Speaker 4: next to another version of mister Virgil. And so I'm
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Speaker 4: aware that I am in the hospital holding mister Virgil's arm,
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Speaker 4: and I'm also aware that mister Virgil and I are
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Speaker 4: both standing in this beautiful field. No, I just got.
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Speaker 2: I just got when you said that, because that is Yeah,
20:33
Speaker 2: I mean, that is an even deeper experience that you're
20:37
Speaker 2: having than just being there and comforting somebody who's transitioning.
20:42
Speaker 2: I mean, you are like in and out of spirit world,
20:46
Speaker 2: or you're getting the vision of it anyway of the
20:48
Speaker 2: spirit reheal world, and you're still on the physical plane.
20:52
Speaker 3: That's pretty amazing. That's amazing.
20:54
Speaker 5: Yes, go ahead.
20:54
Speaker 4: It's definitely a shared death experience. I do have these
20:58
Speaker 4: fairly fairly frequently with my with my patients as a transition.
21:03
Speaker 4: So as I'm sitting there with him and we're and
21:05
Speaker 4: also standing with there with him, I can hear a
21:08
Speaker 4: welcome home party, which always happens. There's always some sort
21:12
Speaker 4: of welcome home party.
21:14
Speaker 5: It could be a big deal or as.
21:16
Speaker 4: Small as a picnic. There's just but I know, we
21:18
Speaker 4: have to walk through the forest that is straight ahead
21:21
Speaker 4: and off to the right a little bit to get
21:23
Speaker 4: to his welcome home party. He was nervous about entering
21:27
Speaker 4: the forest. He was afraid. He was not wanting to go,
21:33
Speaker 4: very apprehensive, and during this time he had another panic attack. Suddenly,
21:37
Speaker 4: at that time, I know, it's it's really it's really crazy.
21:42
Speaker 4: At this time, a being of light comes out of
21:45
Speaker 4: the forest to greet us. She's big, bigger than us.
21:49
Speaker 4: She's blue and white light. She is beautiful, and she
21:54
Speaker 4: is I don't know.
21:56
Speaker 5: She is peace. She is He's a peace, just dominating,
22:00
Speaker 5: this beautiful peace.
22:02
Speaker 4: Of And that's when I realized she's me. Obviously I'm
22:07
Speaker 4: not a being of seeing white light, but I was her.
22:11
Speaker 4: She was me, and I could see from her perspective,
22:14
Speaker 4: I could see from my physical perspectives in the hospital room,
22:17
Speaker 4: and I could see the perspective of the person observing
22:20
Speaker 4: in the field. I was in three places at once.
22:24
Speaker 5: Mister Virgil.
22:26
Speaker 4: Told the Me of Light that he didn't want to
22:29
Speaker 4: enter the forest because.
22:30
Speaker 5: He was very sinful. He had a lot of regrets.
22:32
Speaker 4: He'd done a lot of things he was ashamed of,
22:35
Speaker 4: and the Me of Light presented him with this little box,
22:39
Speaker 4: this little present. It was gold with a purple ribbon,
22:42
Speaker 4: and I said, this is your life, as mister Virgil.
22:46
Speaker 4: Everything you've ever experienced is in this box. And at
22:51
Speaker 4: that time, every he could have done the most heinous act,
22:55
Speaker 4: or he could have not done anything, it didn't matter.
22:58
Speaker 4: I loved him so much, which I have never experienced
23:02
Speaker 4: a love like this in my entire life. He was
23:05
Speaker 4: absolutely perfect. It didn't matter, nothing mattered. It was all experiences.
23:11
Speaker 4: And so I was telling him that I was trying
23:14
Speaker 4: to portray to him that it was all experiences, that
23:17
Speaker 4: anytime he wanted, he could reopen this little gift of
23:20
Speaker 4: life as mister Virgil and re experience it all over
23:23
Speaker 4: again and from a different perspective. And he agreed. It
23:28
Speaker 4: was really interesting, and he agreed to enter the forest
23:32
Speaker 4: with the mea of Light. And as we were walking
23:35
Speaker 4: through the forest, he had another panic attack, another fear
23:38
Speaker 4: set in about this being a final, a final goodbye
23:42
Speaker 4: for him, and I got any, I got really big,
23:46
Speaker 4: even bigger than I was than Me of Light did,
23:48
Speaker 4: and I scooped him up like a baby. The forest
23:51
Speaker 4: fell away and it was replaced with a backdrop of
23:54
Speaker 4: stars like we were in outer space, and I held him,
23:58
Speaker 4: I cradled him. I tried to send him as much
24:01
Speaker 4: peace and love as possible. I kissed the top of
24:04
Speaker 4: his head.
24:06
Speaker 2: Excuse me, that's okay. I made Helen just so you
24:11
Speaker 2: guys know. I made Helen come on today because she's
24:14
Speaker 2: just getting over being sick. And I said to her yesterday,
24:18
Speaker 2: She's like, I sound horace.
24:21
Speaker 3: I'm like, you sound fine.
24:22
Speaker 2: Let's just do the show. You sound great to me.
24:24
Speaker 2: So I just wanted to let people know. That's why
24:27
Speaker 2: if they hear you coughing, go ahead.
24:29
Speaker 4: Go ahead, It's true.
24:30
Speaker 2: I just said, I'm engrosseds. I'm engrossed in the story,
24:34
Speaker 2: so go ahead.
24:36
Speaker 4: So I held him until he felt safe again, and
24:40
Speaker 4: then I placed him back down, and the backdrop of
24:45
Speaker 4: stars went back to the forest. And as we neared
24:48
Speaker 4: closer to the end of the forest, we could hear
24:51
Speaker 4: the welcome home party. I could see his mother waiting
24:54
Speaker 4: for him there. He turned to me and said, what
24:57
Speaker 4: about my nephew and my uncle? And it was at
25:00
Speaker 4: that time that the mea of light gave him a
25:05
Speaker 4: projection of potential, probabilities and possibilities for both people, and
25:11
Speaker 4: when that happened, I lost connection to the mea of
25:14
Speaker 4: light and my focus shot back to the observer in
25:18
Speaker 4: the field.
25:19
Speaker 5: In the meadow.
25:20
Speaker 4: It was as though I was not allowed to know
25:23
Speaker 4: what the potential possibilities of these two people were. When
25:27
Speaker 4: he felt that that was okay and he was satisfied
25:30
Speaker 4: with that, we continued on our journey, and when that happened,
25:33
Speaker 4: I came back to the awareness of the Mea of light.
25:36
Speaker 4: I was all three awarenesses again at one time. And
25:40
Speaker 4: he asked if he could sit at the end of
25:42
Speaker 4: the forest before going going into the party, and he
25:46
Speaker 4: just needed some time to think before going in, and
25:49
Speaker 4: I said sure, and I left him sitting there on
25:51
Speaker 4: a log, and I turned to walk back towards the
25:55
Speaker 4: meadow to the other me and a nurse came in
25:58
Speaker 4: to take its vitals, our physical reality, and it kind
26:01
Speaker 4: of shot me back to my physically physically focused self
26:05
Speaker 4: and lost my connect connection to the other two. And
26:08
Speaker 4: the woman's coming in. She's like, Oh, I'm going to
26:10
Speaker 4: a bachelorette party and just you know, I'm gonna be
26:13
Speaker 4: wearing this and I haven't seen my friend since college.
26:16
Speaker 4: I mean, just going off on how great things we're
26:18
Speaker 4: going to be that weekend, and.
26:20
Speaker 5: I could just I could just imagine, you know.
26:23
Speaker 4: Here we are about to enter this other welcome home party,
26:26
Speaker 4: and here's she is talking about this bachelorette party. And
26:29
Speaker 4: I just loved the synchronicity of that. And it was
26:32
Speaker 4: at that time that the next volunteer came in to
26:34
Speaker 4: relieve me, and I'm like, oh, I could just stay,
26:38
Speaker 4: but I know that he's about to take his last breath,
26:42
Speaker 4: and I know he's about to go into that welcome
26:43
Speaker 4: home party. But the new volunteer came in. I said
26:47
Speaker 4: goodbye to mister Virgil and drove down the road to
26:50
Speaker 4: meet a friend for lunch. And that's when I was
26:54
Speaker 4: sitting there waiting for her. I got there a little early,
26:56
Speaker 4: and the cardinal came pecking on the window, and then
26:59
Speaker 4: my phone I got the text that he had transitioned
27:03
Speaker 4: just minutes later. So it was it was wonderful.
27:06
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's what happened when my sister died.
27:08
Speaker 2: The cardinal came knocking on the window where my mom was,
27:11
Speaker 2: and that's how we knew she died.
27:13
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I just got chilled.
27:15
Speaker 2: Okay, we got it We're going to take our break
27:17
Speaker 2: so that way you can you can get some.
27:19
Speaker 3: Water, and we're going to come up because I want
27:21
Speaker 3: to hear more of that.
27:22
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27:25
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Speaker 2: welcome back. So right before the break, I was talking
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Speaker 2: with Helen Gretchen Jones and she is a death doula
30:13
Speaker 2: and a channeler, and she was just sharing an amazing
30:16
Speaker 2: experience she had helping somebody transition. And you know, Helen,
30:21
Speaker 2: during the break, what I was thinking, I was like, well,
30:23
Speaker 2: this is why you're doing the work that you're doing
30:25
Speaker 2: because you have that ability.
30:28
Speaker 3: You have that ability to do that and to help people.
30:31
Speaker 2: I mean even you know, deeper and a deeper spiritual
30:35
Speaker 2: experience than just holding someone's hand through their you know,
30:40
Speaker 2: leaving their body.
30:41
Speaker 3: I think that's just amazing and that what a gift.
30:45
Speaker 2: God, don't you think like I don't really mean it,
30:49
Speaker 2: like thank you for this gift?
30:51
Speaker 4: Right? I absolutely love it. It brings me closer to my
30:55
Speaker 4: own self awareness. It really I love that all of
30:59
Speaker 4: my patients who have given me a gift of an
31:02
Speaker 4: experience like that. What amazing teachers they are. And I'm
31:05
Speaker 4: an eager student, so I'm always interested to see, you know,
31:09
Speaker 4: what kind of experience I will have.
31:11
Speaker 3: Oh no, that's just beautiful. I had an experience when
31:16
Speaker 3: my very good friend.
31:17
Speaker 2: Her mother was dying, and we were at hospice, and
31:21
Speaker 2: she was at a center at a hospice facility around
31:25
Speaker 2: by her home, and it was about three o'clock in
31:28
Speaker 2: the morning, and her husband was in the main area
31:31
Speaker 2: watching I don't know, television, and I had fallen asleep
31:34
Speaker 2: on the cot at the bottom of the bed and
31:36
Speaker 2: she was in bed with her mom, and I was asleep.
31:38
Speaker 2: I had fallen asleep and I felt like I sat
31:42
Speaker 2: up and I said to her, I.
31:43
Speaker 3: Have to go. I have to go.
31:44
Speaker 2: I have to leave. And she's like, my friend, and
31:46
Speaker 2: she's like why. I'm like, I don't know. I just
31:48
Speaker 2: have this feeling.
31:48
Speaker 3: I need to go. I need to go.
31:50
Speaker 2: And I got her husband and we went back to
31:52
Speaker 2: the house and I felt like it was her mom,
31:54
Speaker 2: who was half in and half out, who wanted to
31:57
Speaker 2: see wanted privacy with her daughter her and didn't want
32:01
Speaker 2: me in the room. Like that was the feeling. That's
32:04
Speaker 2: that's what I got. And we had talked about it
32:06
Speaker 2: afterwards and she said, yeah, she thought so too. It
32:09
Speaker 2: was the weirdest feeling I've ever had, Like it took
32:11
Speaker 2: me out of a deep sleep, like I had fallen
32:14
Speaker 2: I was out. I was so exhausted and I just
32:16
Speaker 2: felt like I have to get out of here. It
32:18
Speaker 2: was really bizarre. So that's what I think. I think
32:20
Speaker 2: her mom was like, I don't want you here for this.
32:23
Speaker 4: This is private, you know, and you were open enough
32:26
Speaker 4: to understand that gout instinct that is.
32:30
Speaker 3: It was. It was a wild experience. Oh my god.
32:34
Speaker 2: So uh yeah, why don't you share if you don't mind,
32:37
Speaker 2: If you wouldn't mind sharing with us some other experiences
32:41
Speaker 2: that you've had. I would love to hear it, and
32:45
Speaker 2: I'm sure the people listening to the show would love
32:47
Speaker 2: to hear it, because you know, we've all know, you know,
32:49
Speaker 2: we all have lost somebody by a certain state of
32:52
Speaker 2: our life, right, you know, and we missed them terrible
32:55
Speaker 2: and it's nice to have confirmation from somebody else that's
32:59
Speaker 2: witnessing that we will be reunited with our mother ones,
33:05
Speaker 2: you know.
33:06
Speaker 5: And that's true. Absolutely.
33:08
Speaker 2: I have.
33:10
Speaker 4: I have served many people of many different religions and
33:14
Speaker 4: faith backgrounds through their their final breath.
33:20
Speaker 5: One of my.
33:22
Speaker 4: Patients was a nun, a Catholic nun. Her name was
33:26
Speaker 4: Sister Bernadette, and Sister what I what I find really
33:30
Speaker 4: interesting is Sister Bernadette asked me to come sit with her,
33:36
Speaker 4: and she said she had a confession to make.
33:38
Speaker 5: And I was like, oh, do I need to go
33:39
Speaker 5: get a priest? Like what are we doing? And she's
33:41
Speaker 5: like no, set the door.
33:42
Speaker 4: And I'm like okay. She goes Sister Mary Catherine has
33:46
Speaker 4: been visiting me, and I'm like, oh, that's nice. I'm
33:49
Speaker 4: like okay, and she's like, no, you don't understand. Sister
33:52
Speaker 4: Mary Catherine has already gone home to our Lord, our
33:56
Speaker 4: heavenly Father. And I'm just like, oh, okay. Well, to me,
34:00
Speaker 4: that's normal when people are seeing loved ones to cease
34:03
Speaker 4: loved ones or being the light at you know, bedside,
34:07
Speaker 4: I know they have a week or less left usually
34:11
Speaker 4: usually not always, but usually, And so I'm thinking, great,
34:15
Speaker 4: what's what's the issue here? And she's like, well, it's
34:18
Speaker 4: against my religion to.
34:19
Speaker 5: Commune with the dead.
34:21
Speaker 4: And I remember I remember thinking, no, you commune with
34:25
Speaker 4: the dead all the time, and you talk to God,
34:28
Speaker 4: you talk to Mother Mary, you talk to Jesus. And
34:30
Speaker 4: she says, no, I don't. I pray to them. I
34:33
Speaker 4: don't commune with them. So this was sort of a
34:35
Speaker 4: sticking point, you know, because here she was showing up
34:38
Speaker 4: at her Yeah, shown up at her bedside.
34:42
Speaker 3: That's interesting.
34:43
Speaker 4: So I don't, yeah, I don't. I don't commune with them.
34:48
Speaker 4: So the way that we worked around that was I
34:52
Speaker 4: remember the story in the Bible where archangel Gabriel came
34:56
Speaker 4: to Mary and told her she would be having Jesus.
35:00
Speaker 4: So I said, you remember that story and she's like yes,
35:02
Speaker 4: And I said, well, what if Mary Catherine is your vision,
35:06
Speaker 4: she's your messenger from God like Archangel Gabriel was, you know,
35:11
Speaker 4: maybe it isn't going against your religion, maybe it is
35:15
Speaker 4: your faith. And so with that she was able to
35:18
Speaker 4: find peace. I was just thinking about some of the
35:23
Speaker 4: challenges that people who are helping other people transition when
35:26
Speaker 4: they find distress at the end of life because something
35:29
Speaker 4: is occurring that goes against their very.
35:32
Speaker 5: Deep seated faith based.
35:33
Speaker 4: Beliefs, and this was one of them.
35:37
Speaker 5: And it was at.
35:38
Speaker 4: That time that I think it's really important that if
35:41
Speaker 4: anyone is out there helping a loved one transition and
35:43
Speaker 4: they're experiencing something like that, that it's not the time
35:46
Speaker 4: to you know, negate beliefs or to you know, well,
35:52
Speaker 4: maybe that's because it's wrong in the Bible or whatever
35:55
Speaker 4: it is.
35:55
Speaker 5: But people ask me that all the time.
35:57
Speaker 4: No, your goal is to bring peace. So how can
36:00
Speaker 4: you make them shift their perspective so that it all
36:05
Speaker 4: connects and relates in such a beautiful way so that
36:08
Speaker 4: they can make that transition smooth for their loved one.
36:11
Speaker 4: I experienced the same thing with mister r Juna, mister A.
36:17
Speaker 4: He was Hindu and his wife had transitioned thirty years
36:21
Speaker 4: before he was, and this was in his faith, she
36:25
Speaker 4: should have already reincarnated. So when she started showing up
36:29
Speaker 4: at the at his bedside, this was very distressing to
36:31
Speaker 4: him because did she do something wrong? Was she unable
36:34
Speaker 4: to escape karma? You know, he had all these things
36:38
Speaker 4: that he wanted to really talk about to try to
36:40
Speaker 4: understand why she was there.
36:42
Speaker 5: So we did the same thing.
36:44
Speaker 4: We talked about maybe it was a vision, a message
36:47
Speaker 4: from God. We worked it that way so that it isn't,
36:52
Speaker 4: you know, something that we were just trying to relieve
36:56
Speaker 4: what can be very very distressing for people who have
36:58
Speaker 4: those faith that they're that they want to cling to
37:01
Speaker 4: because it makes a lot of sense for them and
37:03
Speaker 4: bring some comfort. So I just thought it was important
37:05
Speaker 4: to bring that up there. Those are small little snippets
37:09
Speaker 4: if anyone, because we're all going to help someone transition.
37:12
Speaker 4: You don't have to be a death fula to do that.
37:13
Speaker 4: That's part of the gift of life. Yeah, and so
37:17
Speaker 4: true want Yeah, So I just want to remind people
37:20
Speaker 4: that even if you're helping someone transition who maybe doesn't
37:24
Speaker 4: fully align to your spiritual or religious beliefs, it's not
37:27
Speaker 4: the time to argue that in any way. It's definitely
37:31
Speaker 4: the time to find teeth in it and help them
37:35
Speaker 4: find peace. So I thought that was important to note.
37:38
Speaker 2: But I could, Yes, I would love to hear another story. Absolutely,
37:43
Speaker 2: that is absolutely important. And you know, you know what
37:48
Speaker 2: was especially with when you're super religious and you follow
37:52
Speaker 2: the text, sometimes you know there could be maybe a
37:57
Speaker 2: blockage of maybe that they're there's something more that you
38:02
Speaker 2: know you don't know. It's something bigger, it's something greater
38:05
Speaker 2: than right. And I don't think telling somebody at the
38:10
Speaker 2: end stage of their life they're not experiencing something they're
38:13
Speaker 2: experiencing probably is not comforting.
38:17
Speaker 3: Right, Let's just them have the experience they need to have.
38:21
Speaker 4: And I know I sit with family and they do
38:24
Speaker 4: try to negate it. See, mom, this is what I'm
38:27
Speaker 4: talking about, and I'm just like whoaak, Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly,
38:33
Speaker 4: but yeah, please share another story.
38:35
Speaker 3: I love this.
38:37
Speaker 5: Sure.
38:37
Speaker 4: I had one story also, a note of patient Missus Wilma.
38:44
Speaker 4: And when I showed up for Missus Wilma, they gave
38:47
Speaker 4: me a little binder some information on her. I knew
38:49
Speaker 4: she was a Baptist, so I started playing hymn from
38:52
Speaker 4: my phone. She had family, they were just unable to
38:57
Speaker 4: come in. They were in another stay eight. So as
39:03
Speaker 4: I sat down, I sat in the seat next to her,
39:07
Speaker 4: and I held her hand, held her right hand with
39:09
Speaker 4: my left hand, and as I did that, the hospital
39:13
Speaker 4: room transformed once again into a forest, and coming in
39:20
Speaker 4: from what seemed to be the hallway into the hospital
39:23
Speaker 4: room was a young girl. She was dressed in her
39:30
Speaker 4: Sunday best. Her hair was twisted in little pigtails. She
39:34
Speaker 4: probably was no older than twelve. And I knew she
39:39
Speaker 4: was in black and white and that is my sign
39:41
Speaker 4: from spirit that someone was around from nineteen twenty to
39:48
Speaker 4: nineteen sixty nine, respectively, black and white photography. My husband's
39:52
Speaker 4: a photographer.
39:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, backly too. So now it's interesting that you actually
39:56
Speaker 2: get the visions like that in black and white. It's
39:58
Speaker 2: interesting and that gives you a timeline.
40:01
Speaker 4: Oh okay, I love that, like black and white photography.
40:04
Speaker 2: Yeah.
40:05
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I knew that this was a younger version
40:09
Speaker 4: of Missus Wilma. Missus Wilma was elderly, she was in
40:12
Speaker 4: her nineties, she was black, and she was having a very,
40:20
Speaker 4: very peaceful death. But when I placed my hands on
40:24
Speaker 4: her and her young version stepped in, I became aware
40:27
Speaker 4: that there was something more Missus Wilma needed to say.
40:32
Speaker 4: And the younger version of her walked over to me
40:36
Speaker 4: and took my right hand. And when she did, I
40:41
Speaker 4: felt free. I felt huge and expansive. I felt like
40:50
Speaker 4: like limitless. This is what I felt like, and I
40:52
Speaker 4: felt so much love. She told me that we were
40:56
Speaker 4: going to climb a tree. And I'm looking in this
40:58
Speaker 4: forest and I'm looking at the tree and I'm thinking
41:01
Speaker 4: to myself, how are we going to climb this tree?
41:04
Speaker 4: All the branches are up high, and just thinking about
41:08
Speaker 4: it with her, we were suddenly at the top of the.
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Speaker 3: Tree and I love I love that, Oh my god.
41:16
Speaker 4: And I could see three sixty all around me, even
41:20
Speaker 4: though I was staring straight ahead, and she said, this
41:24
Speaker 4: one tree believes that it is one life. But this
41:28
Speaker 4: tree has many roots. Each root believes it's its own life,
41:31
Speaker 4: every branch believes it's its own life, every branch branching
41:36
Speaker 4: off of a branch believes it's its own life, and
41:39
Speaker 4: every leaf believes it's its own life. But in reality,
41:43
Speaker 4: they're all parts of the whole serving the one life
41:47
Speaker 4: of this tree. And when you zoom back, this one
41:51
Speaker 4: tree is not just one tree. It's part of this
41:53
Speaker 4: whole forest, and this whole forest, if you zoom back
41:56
Speaker 4: even further, it's part of this larger ecosystem.
41:59
Speaker 5: So basically, she was.
42:00
Speaker 4: Trying to teach you know that everything is connected, everything
42:05
Speaker 4: is always connected, and that we were always united. And
42:10
Speaker 4: this was an important overarching theme in her entire life.
42:14
Speaker 4: So for her, it was a teaching that she learned
42:18
Speaker 4: through separation. Separated from family at time of death, separated
42:25
Speaker 4: throughout her life from family and friends, and then experiencing
42:28
Speaker 4: segregation as a child. Learning connection through separation was how
42:33
Speaker 4: she got there. But ultimately, when we could say, oh,
42:36
Speaker 4: what a hard life, a hard life of separation, she
42:40
Speaker 4: was teaching it was really a lot of life of
42:42
Speaker 4: connection it's really about your perspective. So that was one
42:47
Speaker 4: of my favorite stories as well, because she's teaching how
42:49
Speaker 4: we are all one. We are all connected, even if
42:53
Speaker 4: we feel and appear separate.
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Speaker 5: Excuse me, so.
43:04
Speaker 4: Missus Wilma, she was she was teaching at her final moments,
43:07
Speaker 4: but she was beautiful. I'm sorry, Melissa, I can't hear anything, Melissa.
43:37
Speaker 4: Oh okay. So what I would also like to share,
43:50
Speaker 4: if you're interested in hearing, is a little bit about
43:53
Speaker 4: my team and spirit and why I call them a team.
43:57
Speaker 4: You had mentioned that you eighteen was an interesting name,
44:02
Speaker 4: and I agree that it is. I called them that.
44:07
Speaker 5: It just came to me and I started calling him that.
44:10
Speaker 4: And then my husband when I told him that I
44:13
Speaker 4: was calling my team eighteen, he told me, you mean
44:17
Speaker 4: like the nineteen eighties crime fighters And I was just
44:20
Speaker 4: like what And I guess it was a little before
44:23
Speaker 4: my time, but I wanted. I was just like, no,
44:27
Speaker 4: that's the lame name. I want a different name.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the eighteen was from the eighties. I think, I think.
44:35
Speaker 5: With mister T.
44:36
Speaker 4: I do remember mister T as a personality.
44:39
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Oh my god.
44:42
Speaker 2: Sorry I got disconnected and reconnected so I'm back.
44:45
Speaker 3: You lost me.
44:46
Speaker 4: There for I was, yeah, that's fine, I'm talking good.
44:51
Speaker 2: Good, But you know, I wanted to ask, so I
44:54
Speaker 2: understand now why you you would be compelled to write
44:59
Speaker 2: this book book?
45:00
Speaker 3: Right? I get it? So because you.
45:03
Speaker 2: Had a similar experience when I was reading about you
45:05
Speaker 2: that I had is that you were awoken and told
45:08
Speaker 2: to write the book. And I was kind of awoken
45:12
Speaker 2: and given postcards to the universe that I needed to
45:15
Speaker 2: do something with it. And that's how I created this
45:17
Speaker 2: whole thing. So it's just really interesting. So what happened, like, like,
45:22
Speaker 2: were you like in a dead sleep you heard like Helen,
45:25
Speaker 2: you got to write a book? Or liked, how did
45:27
Speaker 2: it work for you?
45:30
Speaker 4: About three years ago, I was asleep and I got
45:33
Speaker 4: awoken by my team in spirit And usually I hear
45:38
Speaker 4: them in my head. The voice is usually in my head.
45:40
Speaker 4: This time it came from outside, like right in front
45:44
Speaker 4: of my face, the voice, and it just said, you're
45:47
Speaker 4: going to write a book. And I was, I'm like,
45:50
Speaker 4: write a book? What would I what would I even
45:52
Speaker 4: write about? I didn't feel qualified to write a book.
45:55
Speaker 4: I don't I've never had an interest in writing a book,
45:59
Speaker 4: but I've had all these journals. You know that I've
46:02
Speaker 4: been journaling all these patient experiences for years. And they said,
46:05
Speaker 4: you're going to write You're going to write a book.
46:07
Speaker 4: It's going to cover a lot of information, and it
46:09
Speaker 4: will take you about two years to complete. It took
46:12
Speaker 4: me two and a half years. So they were close. Yeah,
46:16
Speaker 4: And so I did it. I'm just I'm just following
46:20
Speaker 4: one step after the other. There was no expectation of outcome.
46:23
Speaker 4: I'm just I don't know, taking direction.
46:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, you following the guidance. You're following the guidance that
46:30
Speaker 2: you're given.
46:31
Speaker 3: Wow, So how was I mean?
46:33
Speaker 4: Yeah?
46:33
Speaker 3: Well, you know why, I mean, this is just my personal.
46:36
Speaker 2: Hit of why they asked you to write a book
46:38
Speaker 2: is because you're meant to share with people who wouldn't
46:43
Speaker 2: normally get to meet you on a regular basis, that
46:47
Speaker 2: these experiences are real, that our soul is, you know, forever,
46:52
Speaker 2: and we move on and we go on, and the
46:56
Speaker 2: best way to show other people and teach other people that,
47:00
Speaker 2: and it gets so many people such hope is by
47:03
Speaker 2: reading your experiences. So I think, I mean, that's what
47:06
Speaker 2: I why I would think they would want you to
47:08
Speaker 2: write a book, don't you think like, oh.
47:12
Speaker 4: I'm sure, absolutely, And it is important to know too
47:17
Speaker 4: that most of the time, almost every single time, with
47:20
Speaker 4: the exception of once, the person who's dying is already
47:25
Speaker 4: standing outside.
47:26
Speaker 5: Of their body before they take their final breath.
47:30
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think that, yes, And I think that's
47:32
Speaker 4: important to remember when you're watching your loved one, you know,
47:36
Speaker 4: and you're putting a projection of fear and suffering on
47:39
Speaker 4: them as they struggle to take that final breath. But really,
47:44
Speaker 4: the body is like a vehicle, and we hop in
47:47
Speaker 4: it and we take it fast or we take it low,
47:51
Speaker 4: or we you know, take it in from maintenance or not.
47:55
Speaker 5: But wow, excuse.
47:59
Speaker 4: Me, Yeah, but you're right.
48:00
Speaker 2: I think that was what the experience why I think
48:03
Speaker 2: her mom was half in and half out.
48:04
Speaker 3: She was like out already, like get out of this room,
48:08
Speaker 3: you know, because that's how I felt.
48:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're already, You're already on that. And and
48:14
Speaker 2: you're not the only one who I've heard who has
48:16
Speaker 2: been at the bedside of a parent or a loved
48:19
Speaker 2: one when they were transitioning. They've called names of people
48:23
Speaker 2: that have already passed on. They're seeing it's they're already
48:27
Speaker 2: like halfway there.
48:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, as it's happening.
48:32
Speaker 4: Absolutely, the body is going through its natural process of
48:35
Speaker 4: setting down, but the spirit of the person is observing
48:39
Speaker 4: from a safe place and they are having a completely
48:43
Speaker 4: different experience than what we are observing. Yeah, and that's
48:47
Speaker 4: that's also supported by a lot of ND experiences where
48:51
Speaker 4: you know, they're having CPR done in the hospital and
48:53
Speaker 4: they're actually above their body. We don't need to be
48:56
Speaker 4: in for that, you know, the trauma or that suffering,
49:00
Speaker 4: but we can observe from a safe place.
49:03
Speaker 2: Definitely, Definitely, I've seen. We went to a couple of
49:07
Speaker 2: psychics after my sister passed away, and my sister was
49:11
Speaker 2: special needs, and when she died, it happened so quickly
49:16
Speaker 2: that she kind of like jumped out of her body,
49:18
Speaker 2: and three of them, three different people said she was confused.
49:23
Speaker 3: She was looking like what's going on, Like she didn't
49:26
Speaker 3: realize that it had happened.
49:28
Speaker 2: And then my grandmother came apparently from what my grandmother
49:33
Speaker 2: came yeh to get her, But at first she was
49:36
Speaker 2: looking down at her body and everybody around her and
49:38
Speaker 2: not knowing what happened. Because she collapsed at her house
49:41
Speaker 2: in the hallway she lived in a group home. So yeah,
49:44
Speaker 2: so that's how it happened, but she didn't realize it,
49:46
Speaker 2: you know, and she was around for a little while
49:49
Speaker 2: trying to kind of figure it out. And so I'm
49:51
Speaker 2: sure that people who are in the process of transitioning,
49:56
Speaker 2: who maybe know they're dying when they actually do leave
49:58
Speaker 2: their body, it must they must kind of just be
50:01
Speaker 2: watching the process for a little bit, right, Because, like
50:04
Speaker 2: you said, your first client, the client you shared with
50:07
Speaker 2: us earlier, he was afraid.
50:09
Speaker 3: He was afraid of what.
50:12
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, yeah, that is I mean it to me,
50:18
Speaker 2: this is just another confirmation, and that's why I like
50:22
Speaker 2: to have these shows and have people like you on.
50:24
Speaker 2: It's just another confirmation that it's okay that our soul
50:30
Speaker 2: lives for eternity, that even if we lose somebody, we
50:33
Speaker 2: don't lose them forever.
50:34
Speaker 3: It's just temporary. It's just temporary.
50:36
Speaker 2: We're separated, but we're not even really separated if you
50:39
Speaker 2: can connect from the inside. Do you do you talk
50:43
Speaker 2: to people who have passed over on like a regular basis?
50:47
Speaker 5: I do, yeah, well, not daily. I don't know what
50:50
Speaker 5: regular is. I don't do it daily.
50:52
Speaker 2: Well, like you know, I mean more you know enough
50:56
Speaker 2: that it's not like it's just happened once in your life.
50:59
Speaker 3: You can if you want to.
51:01
Speaker 4: I guess I should say, oh, yes, definitely, And you know,
51:04
Speaker 4: we all can. Every one of us is already spirit
51:07
Speaker 4: using a body, So you have to sort of tune
51:11
Speaker 4: into that aspect of yourself to be able to tune
51:13
Speaker 4: into that aspect of everybody else.
51:16
Speaker 2: Yeah.
51:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I've known that since my sister passed.
51:20
Speaker 2: I because it's funny because you said a forest, So
51:22
Speaker 2: that's my place, My spiritual place is a forest, interestingly enough,
51:26
Speaker 2: and I meet my sister there every morning. I talked
51:28
Speaker 2: to her every morning, she meets me there. So I've
51:31
Speaker 2: been having under prices yeah, for the last like six
51:34
Speaker 2: or seven months, and it's gotten I've noticed It's made
51:37
Speaker 2: my intuition and my connection a lot stronger, which is
51:41
Speaker 2: pretty incredible.
51:43
Speaker 3: So I want to ask.
51:45
Speaker 2: You, because this was in some of the notes that
51:47
Speaker 2: I found about you. It's something about that you call
51:50
Speaker 2: this science club and how it relates to our exploration
51:54
Speaker 2: of spirituality and the afterlife. What do you mean because
51:57
Speaker 2: that's you talk about that in your book, and I
51:59
Speaker 2: just want to have time to mention that.
52:01
Speaker 4: Yep. So Science Club is a group of deceased scientists
52:06
Speaker 4: that sometimes joined me in my closet. Like if I'm
52:10
Speaker 4: doing a meditation, in my closet is the quietest rooman Now, okay.
52:13
Speaker 4: I had gone in with the intention of trying to
52:16
Speaker 4: better understand time, linear time, and and that's with my
52:23
Speaker 4: team in eighteen and instead a man appeared in my
52:26
Speaker 4: closet and I could see what he looks like, and
52:30
Speaker 4: he was in black and white also, so I knew
52:32
Speaker 4: the time frame, and he gave me all this information
52:38
Speaker 4: that I needed to look up. And it turns out
52:40
Speaker 4: his name was Paul Durak. I didn't know who he was,
52:43
Speaker 4: but he was a physicist, and yeah, he won a
52:49
Speaker 4: Nobel prize, like he was kind of a big deal.
52:51
Speaker 4: But I didn't know at the time. I studied art,
52:54
Speaker 4: you know, in college and theology.
52:56
Speaker 2: I never heard yeah, yeah, just now, so go ahead,
53:00
Speaker 2: So you just said it.
53:02
Speaker 5: Yeah, So.
53:05
Speaker 4: He now joins like all these other scientists that come
53:08
Speaker 4: in from different mostly physicists, but some other avenues and
53:13
Speaker 4: the branches of science. And so they give me things
53:15
Speaker 4: to research and look at. Oh that's to better understand
53:20
Speaker 4: my reality based on religion.
53:23
Speaker 2: That's so, yeah, that's so interesting because physicists and the
53:29
Speaker 2: math is what studies the universe, which so totally makes
53:33
Speaker 2: sense that physicists would be showing up to you to
53:36
Speaker 2: give you some some science behind the spirituality right to
53:41
Speaker 2: help you understand it.
53:43
Speaker 3: Wow, that's pretty that's really.
53:45
Speaker 2: Really really interesting. Now do you do any do you
53:53
Speaker 2: have any like groups that you work with other people
53:57
Speaker 2: or like, if people want to work with you one
53:59
Speaker 2: on one, how can they do that? How can they
54:02
Speaker 2: find you? Are you teaching any workshops?
54:05
Speaker 3: Like what are you doing?
54:07
Speaker 4: So? I do have intuitive sessions that I offer from
54:11
Speaker 4: my website which you read off earlier. And I do local, local,
54:17
Speaker 4: little in person workshops with another medium here in Austin.
54:21
Speaker 4: Her name is Kisa Gayegos, so we co teach things together.
54:27
Speaker 4: But if anyone did sit in the session, they're more
54:29
Speaker 4: than welcome to reach out to me from my website.
54:32
Speaker 2: Okay, and your website is again, just say it again
54:34
Speaker 2: so people.
54:35
Speaker 4: Have it sure www dot Helen Gretchen Jones dot com.
54:40
Speaker 2: Okay, good, Yeah, so you guys, And if you're in Austin,
54:43
Speaker 2: go go, I would God, I wish I will come
54:45
Speaker 2: and see you guys, for sure so, uh, what was
54:49
Speaker 2: I gonna I was just gonna ask you something, and
54:51
Speaker 2: I totally slipped my mind.
54:53
Speaker 3: Oh, I know what I was gonna ask you.
54:56
Speaker 2: Is there anything that we didn't get to share that
54:58
Speaker 2: you can share really quick? We only have like a
55:00
Speaker 2: minute left that you wanted to say or a message
55:03
Speaker 2: you wanted to get across.
55:05
Speaker 4: Well, obviously, I'm a death soulah and I volunteer a
55:08
Speaker 4: lot with hospice, and I think it's important to know
55:11
Speaker 4: that in hospice is a really valuable resource and you
55:15
Speaker 4: don't have to wait until last minute to join. This
55:20
Speaker 4: is a group of loving people, doctors, nurses, volunteers who
55:24
Speaker 4: you know, if you even have six months, go ahead
55:27
Speaker 4: and hop on hospice. It's not giving up. It really
55:31
Speaker 4: is a valuable tool and resource in our community that
55:34
Speaker 4: can help all of us have an easier transition.
55:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god, that is so true. Thank you
55:43
Speaker 3: so much, talent.
55:44
Speaker 2: It was such a pleasure, and I definitely should have
55:46
Speaker 2: you back because I got to hear more of these stories.
55:48
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. I really really enjoyed it today.
55:52
Speaker 2: All right, everybody, thank you, Thank you so much for
55:55
Speaker 2: listening to Postcards to the Universe. With Melissa creating the
55:58
Speaker 2: Life you Crave and wishing everyone a wonderful week filled
56:02
Speaker 2: with joy, abundance and love.
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Speaker 4: Peace,