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Pearl Davis asks the question: "What's in it for men?" | Fireside Chat 275 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to Honey Badger Radio. My
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  Speaker 1: name is Brian. I'm here with Allison and this is
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  Speaker 1: the fireside Chat where we will speak with you know,
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  Speaker 1: guests that are of particular interest to us. And this
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  Speaker 1: week we have a very special guest, Pearl Davis. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to the show. Pearl. How are you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm good, how are you? Thank you for having me?
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  Speaker 1: No, no, thank you for coming on. Really appreciate it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we're doing well. So I brought you on because I
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  Speaker 1: heard about your new documentary that's I guess it's in
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  Speaker 1: you know, incoming, inevitable, impending. So why don't you tell
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  Speaker 1: us a little bit about your documentary about divorce?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So I came from a pretty traditional Catholic background,
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  Speaker 2: so I grew up in Catholic area. Most of the
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  Speaker 2: people that I knew were married. My parents have been
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  Speaker 2: married thirty years. So when I first got into the space,
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  Speaker 2: and I kept hearing that men didn't want to get married,
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  Speaker 2: and I, you know, I kind of asked beg the
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  Speaker 2: question why. And so when I started looking into family
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  Speaker 2: court and divorce laws, I couldn't believe any man got married. Ever,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think most men are actually aware of how
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  Speaker 2: biased family court is against men. I started interviewing men
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  Speaker 2: that have been victims of divorce rate meaning I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: you guys already know, but for the audience, who're these
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  Speaker 2: guys lost their children, their house, some were absurd amounts
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  Speaker 2: of child support and actually homeless, and they got so
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  Speaker 2: stressed out, lost their job, and just these like terrible,
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  Speaker 2: terrible situations, and a lot of these men were competent, intelligent,
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  Speaker 2: and I would actually say the majority of the men
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  Speaker 2: were productive members of society before this happened to them.
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  Speaker 2: And sometimes after they survived that, sometimes they did and
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  Speaker 2: it just depended. So I would go on all these
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  Speaker 2: different shows and I kind of started my I kind
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  Speaker 2: of started my career from a more traditional perspective. And
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  Speaker 2: then I just started asking the conservatives, like do men
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  Speaker 2: get out of marriage? And you know, some of the
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  Speaker 2: best debaters in the country just could not answer this question,
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  Speaker 2: where I'd just say, like, what do the men get
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  Speaker 2: out of it? Like I think one time I got
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  Speaker 2: virtuous women, I'm like, where.
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  Speaker 3: This is where we throw back our heads and laugh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So and even you know, it was kind of
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  Speaker 2: humbling too, because I would say I met men that
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  Speaker 2: married women that were better than me in all ways,
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  Speaker 2: like on paper, they married younger, maybe they like they
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  Speaker 2: were homeschooled, and still they would make the same choices.
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  Speaker 2: So I really at the end of my interview, I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I can't put this past anybody. You have no idea
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  Speaker 2: what a woman's gonna do when she's at her most emotional,
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  Speaker 2: when she's like it's like, it's kind of like what
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  Speaker 2: the court system is doing. You're just giving a gun
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  Speaker 2: to angry women. Of course, you don't women, you don't
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  Speaker 2: even think would ever shoot a gun. You give them
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  Speaker 2: a gun and that you know in that situation a
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  Speaker 2: lot of them are going to do it. So anyway,
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  Speaker 2: So my divorced documentary is called What's in It for Men?
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be a multi series, but the first
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  Speaker 2: one is What's in It for Men? Marriage? And it's
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  Speaker 2: going to all these different people in starting with the
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  Speaker 2: commentators and asking what do men get out of marriage?
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  Speaker 2: The next one we want to do is going to
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  Speaker 2: be divorce or sorry, military.
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  Speaker 1: So the second.
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  Speaker 2: Joining the military. Terrence Pop is working on it with
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  Speaker 2: us too. I don't know. This is my first documentary,
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  Speaker 2: so I don't know what we would call them, like
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  Speaker 2: an executive producer or something. But we did the first
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  Speaker 2: round of filming. We might have won more round of interviews.
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  Speaker 2: But it'll be done in August. The release date we
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  Speaker 2: don't know for sure. I kind of I was debating
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  Speaker 2: because if we finished in August September timeframe, I was
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  Speaker 2: thinking it'd be kind of funny to wait till Valentine's Day.
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  Speaker 1: It was kind of Mother's Day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would require waiting, but I guess you could
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  Speaker 2: market it for a few as my first documentary, So
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  Speaker 2: I don't I don't know the exact marketing and release
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  Speaker 2: date yet.
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  Speaker 3: Trailer for Valentine's Day, Mother's Day, VAL's Day, or Christmas
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  Speaker 3: or some day that's supposed to be happy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So Pearl, you said that you you you approached Is
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  Speaker 1: it like you were approaching marriage and divorce from a
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  Speaker 1: traditional perspective or just men's issues in general.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: You started off by saying, I had this sort of
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  Speaker 1: traditionalist idea going in what what what do you mean
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  Speaker 1: by that? Well?
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  Speaker 2: I kind of thought that, you know, marriage was the
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  Speaker 2: bedrock of society and we just need to get families together.
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  Speaker 2: And I sort of had a more of like Daily
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  Speaker 2: Wire perspective, and maybe you know, I'm not saying that's
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  Speaker 2: necessarily wrong, but it's I just found that people weren't
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  Speaker 2: really honest about the topic because once I talked out
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  Speaker 2: about these family court and divorce laws, it's like, well,
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  Speaker 2: even if you have traditional marriage, you're just setting men
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  Speaker 2: up for failure because if they do the traditional thing
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  Speaker 2: that the Daily Wire is pushing, which is to have
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  Speaker 2: a stay at home wife, that's the like, those are
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  Speaker 2: some of the worst divorces I saw.
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  Speaker 3: It's putting your head in the chopping block.
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  Speaker 2: I know a guy in Montana or something, and he's
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  Speaker 2: never gonna retire because he's in lifetime alimony. So I mean,
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  Speaker 2: he got divorced. He had a homemaker and she divorced
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  Speaker 2: him aut like sixty. And those are kind of the
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  Speaker 2: saddest cases because like it's sixty. If a guy gets
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  Speaker 2: divorced at thirty thirty five, he can rebuild, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you can rebuild his life. He at least gets he
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  Speaker 2: sees a light at the end of the tunnel. But
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  Speaker 2: like it's sixty, you know, what are you gonna do?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you can, I mean yeah, And I wonder
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  Speaker 3: if the usual thing happens and like, you know, like
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  Speaker 3: a couple of months later, she's like, Wow, this didn't
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  Speaker 3: really pan out for me. I've imploded my entire life.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm all more happy than I was before I
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  Speaker 3: did it, because that seems to be something that's been
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  Speaker 3: happening too as well.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know what, I don't think the women regretted
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  Speaker 2: at all. It's just my I think sometimes I just
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  Speaker 2: I just don't really see any remorse. I think maybe
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  Speaker 2: they missed the things their husband did to them, did
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  Speaker 2: for them, you know, because there's a lot of things
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  Speaker 2: women we don't really appreciate that men do for us
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  Speaker 2: day to day, Like they keep us on a routine.
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  Speaker 2: Like we're very chaotic, so one day we want to
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  Speaker 2: do the X thing, we want to buy the you
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  Speaker 2: know another thing we're we have a lot of chaos
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  Speaker 2: in our life, rotating groups like men always take personal
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  Speaker 2: women ghosts, but we go to everybody in our lives,
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  Speaker 2: our personal trainers, our our friend groups, like cities. Women
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  Speaker 2: just go. So men tend to like routine and structure
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  Speaker 2: and long term chaos just there's consequences to it'sensive, it's unstable.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have long term friends and like a foundation.
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  Speaker 2: So I think sometimes when like older women feel the
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  Speaker 2: consequences of that, maybe they, but I think they would
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  Speaker 2: do it again in a heartbeat.
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  Speaker 3: In all honesty, how is the how have the traditionalists
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  Speaker 3: or conservatives or in your case, Catholics, how have they
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  Speaker 3: responded to your message about marriage?
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  Speaker 1: Well?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So at first I would go on these shows
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  Speaker 2: and they would say things that I would think were true,
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  Speaker 2: like if you prayed five times a day, you know
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  Speaker 2: that your marriage would last longer if you were just
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  Speaker 2: really religious. And again, being a Catholic background, I hoped
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  Speaker 2: that was true. You know, I wish that would be true.
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  Speaker 2: But in all honesty, when I started interviewing these divorced guys,
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  Speaker 2: I met one of the worst divorces I ever saw
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  Speaker 2: was a guy from Michael Nole's church, like literally from
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  Speaker 2: the same church that the Daily Wire attended. And I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: you're just not being honest about this. And I kept
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  Speaker 2: finding they would just represent these statistics so misleading. It's
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  Speaker 2: why I really hate statistics because they I have to
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  Speaker 2: use them for my job. But I've just found that
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  Speaker 2: commentators they want more power and influence, so they want
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  Speaker 2: to point you at studies so they can be right
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  Speaker 2: and influence your life. But like, for example, they say,
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  Speaker 2: if you just pray five times a day, she won't
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  Speaker 2: divorce you. But because what they did was they took
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  Speaker 2: couples that prayed five times a day and saw how
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  Speaker 2: long they were married. But what about the couples that
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  Speaker 2: started off praying five times a day and then she
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  Speaker 2: said I don't want to do it anymore. I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to do it anymore, and then he's like doing
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  Speaker 2: and she's like, I don't want to and then she
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  Speaker 2: files for like religious abuse or some bullshit. So they're
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  Speaker 2: not included in a lot of these studies. They don't include.
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  Speaker 2: They're like in the marriage stats, they include people that
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  Speaker 2: just got married, so like I'm a millennial, we divorce
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  Speaker 2: after like eight years. So if you pull them on
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  Speaker 2: your five, they still count towards a lot of the
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  Speaker 2: marriage stats. And I just found these and I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: why did they keep being so dishonest about it? And
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  Speaker 2: I just found that it's because they want their religion
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  Speaker 2: to be the answer and to be right. And that's
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  Speaker 2: an easy thing. That's an easy thing to believe. I'd say,
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  Speaker 2: at one point I believed it. But I just I
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  Speaker 2: can only interview so many Catholics that have just taken
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  Speaker 2: massive ls, you know, and I like, you have to
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  Speaker 2: see what's in front of you at some point.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like they want this is something I've encountered
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  Speaker 3: as well. People will have a solution and they want
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  Speaker 3: that to be the solution. And in my opinion, the
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  Speaker 3: solution is addressing the disparity in the law when it
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  Speaker 3: comes to men in divorce courts and family courts. Right,
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  Speaker 3: that's it. That there's no praying five times a day,
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  Speaker 3: there's no coming to whatever your ideology is or whatever
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  Speaker 3: your religion is. You got to fix the laws otherwise
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  Speaker 3: nothing is really going to change.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, and the churches don't even like teach a patriot, like,
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  Speaker 2: they don't even teach the women in church to obey
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  Speaker 2: their husbands or submit like, which is what. Look, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not overly religious, so you can follow that or not.
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  Speaker 2: But your book says that you're supposed to submit to
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  Speaker 2: your husband. And whenever I go to these churches and
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  Speaker 2: ask if the women do it, they tiptoe around it.
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  Speaker 2: And it's like to me, the preachers and the pastors,
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  Speaker 2: you have one job, like you literally have one job,
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  Speaker 2: which is to be honest and tell the truth like that,
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  Speaker 2: that is your one the only thing you don't have
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  Speaker 2: to do hard labor. You don't have to do any
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  Speaker 2: of it. You like, that's your job, and they won't
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  Speaker 2: do it.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, well, I mean it's like they've lost sight
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  Speaker 3: of why, why they do that, why they why they
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  Speaker 3: say that, and why it's important. It's an important message
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  Speaker 3: for women to learn. And I mean, honestly, I have
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  Speaker 3: my own opinion. I'm not actually Christian. I'm, as I
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  Speaker 3: call myself, a filthy secularist, but I can see the
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  Speaker 3: logic behind why women do need to submit to men,
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  Speaker 3: and that's because men have a particular perspective on the
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  Speaker 3: world that's very valuable and very forward thinking, so that
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  Speaker 3: they see further ahead and understand consequences in a way
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  Speaker 3: that I'm not seeing that women necessarily grasp. Not saying
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  Speaker 3: all women, but substantial numbers of women shall always say.
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  Speaker 3: And when you forget why you're teaching that, and you
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  Speaker 3: play to your audience so you know they need to
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  Speaker 3: get tithes and whatever else make the money, then you
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  Speaker 3: abandon the wisdom of your position.
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  Speaker 2: And to me, like you're no better than if you're
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  Speaker 2: afraid to say what your church believes publicly, Like you're
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  Speaker 2: not really a real Christian because the apostles face death.
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  Speaker 2: They have to say what they believed and face death.
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  Speaker 2: You can't deal with a female congregation.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't face the grannies.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm inclined to agree with that. I think that
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  Speaker 1: there's a certain like, I don't know, you have to
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  Speaker 1: meet a certain standard of behavior it in otherwise you're
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  Speaker 1: not actually living the Christian life, you know, you you
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  Speaker 1: should be telling the truth. And I think, I don't know, like,
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  Speaker 1: like it seems like a lot of the influencers, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the conservative influencers, like you mentioned peerl they're they are
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  Speaker 1: trying to find a way to essentially maximize their audience
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  Speaker 1: by telling women what they want to hear well at
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  Speaker 1: the same time promoting, you know, something that it's probably
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  Speaker 1: gonna upset women, and like if they if they stick
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  Speaker 1: with the I mean yeah, no, no, I mean, like
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  Speaker 1: stick with the truth of it, because the you know,
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  Speaker 1: the submission thing is is challenging, to say the least
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  Speaker 1: for women. But you know, I don't know, like I
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  Speaker 1: think it's they're they're not they're not really acting in
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  Speaker 1: a way that I think is indicative of what Christians
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  Speaker 1: should be acting like.
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  Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what. I can always tell a
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  Speaker 2: woman's and never submitted in her life if she speaks
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  Speaker 2: about it too fondly. Look at these ladies in church
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  Speaker 2: and they're like, Oh, I just submit, And I'm like, no,
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  Speaker 2: you don't, because you It's like a person that talks
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  Speaker 2: about working out too fondly. It's not fun to like
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  Speaker 2: not do what you want to do and do what
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  Speaker 2: he wants to do, even when you think you're right
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  Speaker 2: like that. That's not easy for anybody. So I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: you ladies are talking about it too happily.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: It's like when you talk about working out. I could
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  Speaker 2: tell someone works out or diets or whatever when they're like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I was so hard, but I'm so glad I did
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  Speaker 2: it and I'm better for it now. That's kind of
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  Speaker 2: the way. When they're just saying, oh I just submitted
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  Speaker 2: or I got married and everything was perfect, it's like,
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  Speaker 2: really was it? I'm not honest, Like, That's how one
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  Speaker 2: of my questions I ask, what I ask about submission
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  Speaker 2: to the women is like, so is there ever a
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  Speaker 2: time where you really like you really wanted your way
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  Speaker 2: and you you like you had him have his way,
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  Speaker 2: And usually they don't have an answer because most of
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  Speaker 2: the time men given to women's when we really want.
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  Speaker 3: So, yeah, the happy marriage is one over workman in
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  Speaker 3: the background.
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  Speaker 2: I know, even just we have no idea. I think
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  Speaker 2: how insufferable we are as people. So not all obviously,
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  Speaker 2: but well, it's a whole infrastructure built around us not
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  Speaker 2: knowing how insufferable we are.
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  Speaker 3: So they find out when they try to date each.
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  Speaker 2: Other, or groups like our friend groups never make it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. The way women make friends and
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  Speaker 1: men make friends are very different things. So do you
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  Speaker 1: get along well with women?
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  Speaker 2: Do you know what I did before I started this job?
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  Speaker 2: Then they all bounced?
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  Speaker 1: So do you think that what you were doing brought
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  Speaker 1: something out of them or or force them to see
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  Speaker 1: something in themselves that they didn't want to face and
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  Speaker 1: so they just cut you off? Something like that? Is
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  Speaker 1: that how that happened?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a best friend of twenty years. I
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  Speaker 2: was talking about how I'd love to see more men
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  Speaker 2: divorce their fat wives, you know, just because I feel
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  Speaker 2: like that's fraud. If you marry your fat. That's the
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  Speaker 2: price tag you got, you know what I mean. But
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, he's're geated. You're getting so fat. This
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  Speaker 2: is fraud. And then she got mad at me because
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  Speaker 2: I guess she got fat, but I hadn't seen her
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  Speaker 2: in a while, so yeah, so I was like, well,
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  Speaker 2: then why don't you just diet? Like I like, I
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  Speaker 2: used to be pretty heavy, So like, yeah, you can
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  Speaker 2: lose weight. It's okay, you can just fix it. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but it's crazy because I was thinking, I'm like, I
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  Speaker 2: bet if I dropped an only fan, she'd be okay
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  Speaker 2: with it. If you what I think if I dropped
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  Speaker 2: in only fans that same stayed my friend, Oh yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: But I think I think because I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, maybe that's kind of disrespectful to get that fat.
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  Speaker 3: I think, you know, Oh well, I mean it's it's
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  Speaker 3: poking at whatever expectations or responsibilities that she has in
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  Speaker 3: a relationship to her husband, you know, And that entire
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  Speaker 3: conversation is completely verboten. Nobody wants to talk about it, really,
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  Speaker 3: even the conservatives. They want to.
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  Speaker 2: Blame, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't mean the all of the conservatives, but
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  Speaker 3: I feel like conservatives if they're just approaching this from
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  Speaker 3: you know, believe this particular set of beliefs and everything
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  Speaker 3: will be fine. They don't want to address that women's
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  Speaker 3: expectations and the things that they should be doing, what
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  Speaker 3: they bring to the table. They just want to look
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  Speaker 3: at it and say, well, men aren't leading correctly.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Nole's told me that men cannot get a paternity test
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  Speaker 2: in merit.
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  Speaker 1: What they shouldn't be allowed to or they can't it's
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  Speaker 1: im moral. Michael Knowles said that.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, watch my interview with him.
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  Speaker 1: I was, yeah, no, I I did. I saw you.
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  Speaker 1: I saw you. Did an appearance with Michael Knowles and
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  Speaker 1: Andrew Claven. They both had a really big issue with you.
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  Speaker 1: And the thing that's interesting is that they also both
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  Speaker 1: claim to be strongly anti feminist, and I just I
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  Speaker 1: just think that they're frauds, Like that's just what I believe,
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  Speaker 1: because you they they're they're still doing this thing where
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  Speaker 1: they're trying to protect the women who need the most
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  Speaker 1: to be criticized, you know, like a Nala Ray for example,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: And I just don't, I don't know what it is
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: there they think they're doing. I also saw a lot
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: of you get into trouble with a lot of people
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: on the right. And I think it's because you are
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: basically asking questions that actual, like, you know, men who
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: actually want to get married in pair bond. Let's say,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: you know, traditional men want and they don't like those questions.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: They don't like that you're, you know, basically upsetting the
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: woman folk and they're simping for them. And I don't
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: think that simping is traditionalist behavior in my opinion. Yeah,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: I agree, Okay, good. I was wondering about that. So,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: like you said that you've interviewed over one thousand women
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: because you were doing that show when you were still
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: in London, and that was when my wife and I
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: discovered your content was like during COVID, I think that
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: that was going on. But were there signs, like did
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: you see anything from like when you were very young
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: that showed you like clues or red flags about modern
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: women or is this only after you started doing those
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: interviews they're.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Red flags, but the pieces kind of put themselves together later,
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Like there was a lot of information I found that
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: really made a lot of things make sense in hindsight.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: For example, there's a woman in our area who you know,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: she claimed that this guy was abusive, and every time
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: I'd been at that guy's house and he was always
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: a chill guy. But everyone kind of believed it at
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: the time because I mean, as a kid, you kind
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: of if a girl, if the mother says she was
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: abused or whatever, you're like, oh, I'm so sorry. So
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: there's a few divorces like that were. In hindsight, after
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: doing the interviews, I realized they were lying, like they
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: just weren't telling the truth. But it's very difficult because
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: especially ten fifteen years ago, I don't know, maybe this
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: content was out there, but I didn't. I never saw it.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, you often say, you know, women are women.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: This is to suggest this is like their nature and
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: you know this isn't the fault of social media or
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: these other external forces. Do you think that women are
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: women they've always been this way, or do you think
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: that there's something that's changed them recently.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: I think we just have more power, so it's worse.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: I think women have always been this way, but like
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: now you're just seeing what women do with extreme power,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Like we more power than ever in all of history,
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: and you're seeing what women do with it. I think
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: that you gave women from the fifteen hundreds this kind
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: of power, they probably would have did the same thing.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't like. I don't know if it's
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: nature or nurture. I don't really think it matters. The
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: point is like, this is what women do.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, well, yes, it's incentives, right, Yeah, So the
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: issue is what do we incentivize. Yeah, we're living at
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: a time now where we are not allowed to criticize
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: women in any way, no matter how self destructive they get,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: no matter how much of a train they are, and
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: they're supposed to convince themselves that they're happy with that.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Do you think women are happy?
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I think women are very happy when we're young, and
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: then it gets lower when we're older. I don't like
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: this idea that the girl partying on Drake's yacht isn't
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: happy doing it, because I think she's pretty happy. Like
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: I don't, you know, Like there's this idea, and especially
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: conservatives push this that oh, women are just so unhappy,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: childless cat lady. I think whenever their looks run out,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: For some women, they get fat at like twenty and
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: now they're unhappy. But whenever women's looks run out and
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: the attention from their looks. I think that's when the
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: consequences come. But I would say before that they're pretty happy.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Alison, do you want to ask anything? Oh?
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Okay, well, uh hmm. In terms of women's happiness, I
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: do know that the statistics suggests that that women's unhappiness
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: has increased substantially over like the since they've started to.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Look at that to monitor that.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: And when you look at not just how women self report,
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: which women are notoriously they don't self report honestly, but
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: you actually look at more objective measures like time off
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: ssrr use, then women's happiness is actually really abysmal right now,
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: and it's getting worse because the newest population of women
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: is instead of actually partnering up with men, they're starting
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: to partner up with each other, which is increasing their
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: rate of sexual assaults, increasing the rate of domestic violence
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: in that particular group of the younger cohort of women.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, when I look at that, I think
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: that there's something missing in women's lives. And I was
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: wondering if you had any any thoughts on that. If
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: the misery is increasing, is.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: There something missing? I just think women are lazy and
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: like being happy is difficult, Like I want to say difficult,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: but you have to like do work. Yeah, And I
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: think women are just lazy so they'd rather just take
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: a pill. Like, I don't really think it's the women
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: are depressed more than ever. I think women are lazier
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: than ever because they've had to do less than ever.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: The young women, what I've seen because I have younger
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: sisters and I've seen their friends and stuff. It's interesting
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: because I feel like peak slut culture was maybe like
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: ten years ago, five years ago. It almost seems like
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: they're dressing like dykes, Like I definitely see that too,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: and like there's a few girls in my youngest sister's
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: friend group that, yeah, they're lesbians, so I've definitely seen that.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I think I forgot the original question.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: Oh, just if you feel like women are missing something,
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: which is what's creating this increasing misery over time.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: I think women are getting what they want right now,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: or what they need rather not.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: What they wanted. Yeah, I know what I want. I
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: think the hardest thing is they don't have structure and routine,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: and they're treated as high status without accomplishing anything, Like
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: I'll give you an example, and I'll use myself. My
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: brother is a better athlete than me, but I have
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: more accolodes. So I went to state in high school.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: I was all conference. I got all these accolodes for sports,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: even though my brother is a better athlete, but because
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: he's competing in a man's world, it's more difficult. So
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: he didn't get the accoloades he did, wasn't on the
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: winning team. I was so just in a school perspective,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be higher status, even I always talk
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: about this. Terrence pop has saved five hundred men from suicide,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Yet I am the opening headliner and he like, I'm
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: the headliner and he's the opener for a debate we're
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: doing in the fall. Chin be like this, it's just
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: the infrastructure of society, and so it treats these women
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: as high status without any accomplishments in general. And I
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: think that's why women feel things like imposter syndrome, because
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: I think deep down they know it's like not real,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: like if you heard of that psychological effect for some level,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: we and when me and when I heard this information,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: it made sense to me. But a lot of women
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: like they just can't take it. So you got women
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: like from a super young age being treated as high
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: status for nothing, you know, and that's gonna make So
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: that's I say, nature nurture. I don't know, like eater
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: or the young women. The the thing is when women
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: all live together, it's just so unroutine and undisciplined and
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: unstructured like men when they live together, I would argue
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: it's neater because they're not doing all these rent Like
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: it's not making bread on Monday too or making thay foo,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: like it's not all they men eat the same things
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: and they do the same things every day, where women
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: it's just so much variety, like we end up spending money,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: like too much money, we end up getting fat because
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: you know, you kind of get fat if you eat
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: a bunch of different things. And so really what I
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: see missing from young women is structure and routine. And
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: they're not told to get that from men because for
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: whatever reason, women we just don't tend to do it well.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: If I were to advance maybe a hypothesis, I think
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: what's happened, especially post industrial is women have lost their jobs.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: What women used to do would be the household homesteading,
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: dealing with the everyday problems and schedule of running a
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: farm or a running like a textiles or something like
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: something within the home economy, because that used to be
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: the unit of production and post industrial, they no longer
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: really have that thing that is their thing. And I
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: think when they were doing that, they were learning structure.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: They were learning this is the critical thing that I
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: think women really don't learn just if you just let
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: them just free. Rangemen don't learn causality, which is this
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: this I do this, this happens.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: They learn it?
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: I think they I think they need a much more physical,
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: concrete place to learn that. And the homestead get hunter
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: of gathering that kind of thing is where they learn
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. And now that that doesn't exist,
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: they live in this world, a soup of abstractions, doing
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: their avocado jobs with no understanding that you know, the
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: groceries don't come from the back, they come from the farm.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: There's there's something under underneath everything that they're in.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: And that's why I go back to like the high
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: status I think warps women's brains because even the way
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: we talk like it's so like men understand they have
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: to bring value to a room and say important things
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: in order to be able to speak. And women have
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: just been able to speak from a young age. It's
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: why the TikTok problem where women are just talking about
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: everything on TikTok. But yes, because from a young age
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: they're told like the women like, again, I got that
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: high status. It's not like a job, but in the school,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: I was higher status than my brother because I got
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: all these accolodes for sports, you know, and I'm told
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: this is important even though it's not. Hitting a volleyball
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: isn't important at all for society, you know, And there's
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: like micro it's the same thing. I had a roommate
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: in college who became a human resources manager. She was
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: out earning most of the guys that I graduated with,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: even though they were doing more important work. It's just warped.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, the incentive structure is warped. And again
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: it doesn't encourage women to fill in those I don't
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: want to say deficiencies, but the ways that women sort
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: of start behind men. And I think causality is that
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: and understanding that symbols relate to things like have you
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: heard of the waterline test? Okay, so what the waterline
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: test is is that they tested undergraduate students, and what
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: they would do is they would give them a drawing
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: of a glass of water, right, and then they would
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: give them a set like a multiple multiple choice answers,
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: and it would it would draw. They would redraw the
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: drawing of the glass of water at different angles, and
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: then they would say which is the correct one. So
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: what they're doing is they're tilting a glass of water
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: and seeing if they can get the correct symbol of
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: the tilted glass of water. Men got it almost completely,
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Like when you tilt a glass of water, the water
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: level is parallel to the ground, right, Because if you
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: think about tilting a glass and the water level is
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: parallel to the ground. The women failed that test at
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: an astounding rate.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they thought the water tipped at the same.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Yes, so, but the reason why they failed it is
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: because they don't think through the symbol to what the
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: symbol represents. They just think, oh, you're just tilting the symbol, right.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: But men and instinctively see that and say, this symbol
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: represents a glass of water. What happens to the glass
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: of water when you tilt it The waterline goes level
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: with the floor. Therefore, the symbol that represents this new
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: situation is the symbol of the glass with the water
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: line parallel to the floor, because they they look at
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: the symbol and they see through the symbol to the
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: reality it represents. Women struggle with that. So everything becomes
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: a symbol, everything becomes an accolade, everything becomes a position
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: or a title, and they don't see what's behind those titles.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Is a lot of work, a lot of efforts. Yeah,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: because women are just given awards and titles for damn
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: near anything. So yeah, you know, it's interesting. I think
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: we're gonna kind of go back to home setting or
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: like traditional roles indirectly because I call it the high
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: status society and the low status society. So high status
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: women get to live the life of queens in the past.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Like even think about going to Starbucks. It's like having
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: a servant, like serve you coffee right, or like or
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: like uber eats. In a way, it's like having a
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: servant bring you food. And so women can afford this lifestyle,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: usually from their looks. That's why I say they're happy
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: till the looks run out, is because they live such
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: a great life, or the debt catches up one or
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: usually it's one and the same because there's just such
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: an increase in sex work now, so if the debt
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: catches up, you can just get a sugar daddy in
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: a lot of major cities. But it's interesting because now
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: basically white guys make the most money in society. I
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: think Jews and a couple other groups too, but like
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: white guys have the most money and their wives are
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: why But they're essentially like queens of the past with servants.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: They're not actually doing the wife role, and so they
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: just hire lower status people to do all their like
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: what they're supposed to do for them. And I think
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: that's gonna because women make eighty five percent of consumer
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: buying decisions, so I think that's gonna be a big market.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Is like raising other people's kids, you know, Like I
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: saw I saw an ad for Highland Park in Dallas,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: which is like a really rich area where someone comes
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: to your house and teaches your kids how to swim,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: and I was just looking at the precost to this.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you can get rich teaching these these like
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: white kids. Like there's some abuaya going in there, like
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: teaching these white kids. So I think that's actually going
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: to be a big market is like doing the job
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: of like rich wives for them because they're not going
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: to want to do it.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Think that's going to be a big I think all
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: the jobs that are going away with AI, it's just
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: gonna go like parenting and motherhood for other people.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Well, a lot of those jobs are that's what what
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: is teaching and nursing. All these careers that women go
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: into are basically just things they would have done if
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: they had lived, you know, on a farm or in
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: like a small village in the in the eighteenth in
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds, I got a couple of paid comments
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: I want to read out and then I want to
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: ask you another question. So Roboto over on Rumble gave
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: us a dollar and says, why do you suppose pastors
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: and religious men have so little awareness about women or
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: are trying to hide women's nature. I think that one's
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: for you, Pearl.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's two things. One, a lot of them are
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: sexually inexperienced because obviously they're gonna go do pastor stuff.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: So like there probably have been with one women, some
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: some aren't aware. I'd say two. I just think like
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: YouTubers and pastors are kind of similar where we talk
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: for a living hypocritical, hypocritical. I know, but this is
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: an easy job. Just in general, it's much easier than
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: manual labor. So I think in general you're going to
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: attract a standard deviation worse of character in general. Like
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: that's why the YouTubers are kind of crazy. I think
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: pastors are kind of crazy too, because the people that
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: don't want to work. This is so hypocritical of me
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: to say. I know, but like like just doing the job.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: I know, it's easier than manual labeler or I did
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: sales before, and I'm like, this is way better than sales,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: so yeah, yeah, yeah, well.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: I mean unless you do also sales with the job.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: You do. And I even think sales is easier than like.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, like manual labor destroys bodies.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: I did a hierarchy of hard jobs once and I
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: put us at the bottom. This is.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: I don't disagree. I don't. I worked in retail, warehouse, parking, garage.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: This is much easier than those jobs.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Well, but I.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: Would I'll push back on it some because we get
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: people who disappear for I don't know how many years,
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: and they come back and they say, oh, I just
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: couldn't handle this content anymore. Like this is like the
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: content that we deal with. And I'm not pushing back
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: like YouTubers generally, but just people who have to deal
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: with the pain, the sort of the despair. I think
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: that that's that's a different category and it's very difficult,
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: can be very emotionally difficult, physically difficult.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: YouTubers are always going to struggle with mental health issues.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: That's why so many go off the wire because you
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: have screen time, Like you're more susceptible to mental health issues. Yeah,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: because a high screen time, you're not really to be
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: dealing with all. You're not touching grass. Yeah, but what
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: what is touching grass? Now? I always hear people say that,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, I go outside, and it's like, cities
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: aren't really the same anymore. So you can touch grass.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah still and still be within a city. Maybe touch
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: a potato in the ground that you have.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: To dig up. I don't know.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean what I was getting at was
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: just more dealing with the pain and the suffering that
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, because we have recently Brian was recently interviewing
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: men soldiers who've been falsely accused of sexual assault in
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: the military.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: And I know that.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: I know you brought up why should men get conscripted? Well,
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: this is or why should men go into the military
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: to protect these their their countries when they despise them.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: But the but the other aspect is is that military
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: men are very vulnerable to false accusations. Yeah, correct, and
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: I know that this is something that that's a little controversial.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: They're also vulnerable to sexual assault facilitated by a false accusation.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: So these are things that that people don't talk about,
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: but we Brian has done a series on it with
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: men from the military who have experienced a false accusation.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: So it's kind of like dealing with this stuff that
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: people don't want to talk about, they don't want to
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: look at. And part of the reason why is because
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: it's it's difficult. So when Brian says, oh, my job
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: is easy, I have to push back on it a
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: little bit because he's dealing with stuff that's that can
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: be very It's not physically difficult, but it's emotionally difficult.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, But I think the hardest part in the MR
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: like what makes the MRA space a little bit more
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: admirable is there's not money here.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: No, there's not.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: You know, like like if you're making a million dollars
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: a year, you're like, say whatever you want to be,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like you can whatever. But
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: it's like not that not that people do it for
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: the money, but money does help.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: Well maybe doing it.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: I want to be able to keep doing it, so yeah,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: money does help, you know.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: So it's I think that's why, like in the MRI space,
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: there's not really a money pay. Yeah, some people will work,
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: but if we all started channels just telling women they
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: deserve the world would make way more money.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: Or or channels saying to men, women's standards are ridiculous
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: and impossible. Now, by my course, twelve easy payments of
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: sixty nine to ninety nine, and you will be able
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: to live up to those standards that are ridiculous and impossible. Yeah,
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: but that's sort of like I think the same thing
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: that the conservatives do is that it's all a matter
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: of you leading and somehow elevating yourself up to be
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: the part of the top five percent. That's always a
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: moving target.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: But anyway, Yeah, I still have more super Chat, super chows,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: rumble rants. I want to read through them real quick.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: There's only a couple of them left. Yeah, I got
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: another one. So I got a super chow from the
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: official Reverse Traditionalism channel on YouTube for fifteen dollars. Thank you,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: and he says Pearl, I appreciate that you acknowledge that
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: stay at home moms produce some of the worst disasters
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: in family court for men. But with all respect, I
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: don't know why we should have the argument on feminist terms.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: To me, the gender that raised children has always had
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: more power than the gender that makes up more of
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: the politicians, business owners, and religious leaders, which is why
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: men are getting the children in a divorce. Pre tender
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: years was an important check and balance in my opinion.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts?
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: That's something I never really thought about. But that's a
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: really good point.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that's a really good point. Thank you for
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: that official reverse Traditionalism channel on YouTube. It's a mouthful.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Jo gives us ten dollars super challenge, says good talk.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: I wonder how much of this is exacerbated by culturally
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: induced ADHD. Anybody want to say anything to that.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's like in the before we became
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: a credit economy, like we were hash society and you
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: had to like wait to you know, you couldn't get
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: things off of Amazon in a day now almost you could.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Like men are almost like Amazon, Like you can literally
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: get a guy delivered to your door, like through their
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: hinge whatever. So it's like, what incentive is there for
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: women to stick it out?
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Yep?
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: When there's always someone that's gonna do it. I hate
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: I hate it. I hate to say it. There's always
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: somebody that does it. I've seen Oh my god, I've
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: seen too much.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: No, I don't, I don't doubt it. Jo Bails gave
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: us four ninety nine and says, in media, they show
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: women occupying power, not doing power. No Captain Picard running
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: meetings or doing paperwork.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Oh that's hilarious, that's so true.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Winter gives us five dollars super Chow and says,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: great show, great interview with Pearl, Thank you. All right,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: So how does your family feel about what you do?
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Some of them would say it's a little too extreme.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: I'm want to ten kids, so some agree, some disagree.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: It's just it's too big to like summarize because some
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: of my siblings are more left, some are more right.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, do you do you do you think your
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: dad had an influence on the kind of like shape
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: the person that you are or your mom.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: My dad for sure. Yeah, yeah, my dad's like the
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: best person I've ever met ever, Like he's so cool.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah that sounds wouldn't you want that for people everywhere
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: to have a dad that they can say that about.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people do have dads that
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: they could say that about. They just don't know it
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: because the mom's ruined it.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: That ain't a lie, Yeah, that's that's That's not a
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: lie at all. So you know what I want to
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: give you. I want to give you credit for some
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: thing I've been meaning to do this and I don't
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: want to forget because you were one of the only
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: people other than like us over here. I know that
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: I was very vocal about it that you stood by
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Steven Crowder after his wife made these allegations of him
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: being abusive to her, and everyone piled on and and
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: with the timing of all that too, by the way,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: what it was, but you said, and I love that
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: you did this. You you stood by him and you
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: said he was not abusive. He's being framed, and everyone's like,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: you know, taking advantage of this to like basically try
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: to destroy him. So I just want to let you
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: know about that, and what why did you like what
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: clicked for you when you saw that that footage.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: I just couldn't believe how soft everybody was. I'm like,
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: what he asked her to walk a dog? That's yeah,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: like yeah, and then I found out she was getting
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: thirty K a month. I'll take a slap for thirty
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: kmo if you want to hit me once or and
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: I'm like, all you had to do is walk a dog? Yeah,
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: I'll take a full on. You could literally hit me
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: like three times, like once a week. I think I'd
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: do it thirty kays.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: But it depends on depends on the slap. Is it
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: just an open hand slap or is it a heel strike?
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: As long as you're not breaking my face, like you
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: can't have any bones, But I'll deal. It's fine. Thirty
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: k Do you do.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: You really think that he actually did anything to Hillary?
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Just conceptually?
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I understand, I understand.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all she had to do is walk a dog, Yeah,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: I just could. And she had a full time nanny.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: You know what it was? Yeah, it was because he
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: talked about her duties as a wife. Yeah, I think
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: that's what that was. Those what got under.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: It was an edited It was an edited video clip,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: so there was and I think it was put out
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: by her, right, So she had a specific narrative. She
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: was telling a story with this. Does that make sense?
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Everyone bought into it because of the way it was framed.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: It was around him asking her to do something for
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: her because I think he was like in pain or
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: something like he couldn't get out of his seat, you know,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: because Crowder has like back problems or physical problems of
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: some kind, so he has to like sit down from
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: time to time.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: And it just rubbed me the wrong way, like going
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: through because I spent a lot of time going through
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: his court case and it just I'm like, why the
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: hell was Jeremy Boring texting his wife?
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Like what really?
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a records like so a lot of
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: people from the daily I think she was trying to
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: because women do this, they like text all and tell
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: all the friends the business before they divorced the guy,
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: so that like they'll take their side and everyone's just
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: dumb enough to just believe women because they said it, Yeah,
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: without taking into account. This is like like this is
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: again women are never more I would say women lie
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: the most when we're most emotionally like stimulated or whatever,
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: and we're like, there's nobody women. I'm trying to say
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: this in the right way. You got with the relationships.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: You always have to take things with a grain of
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: salt with men and women. Like when there's a breakup,
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: everyone that that's like common knowledge, Like, yeah, you can't
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: take people's words just based on a breakup, because there's
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: feelings involved, there's a moment. They're not going to see
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: things clearly. So like the fact that you're taking seriously
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: what this woman said without letting him talk, like if
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: she wants to make an accusation publicly, let him like
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: give him his thirty seconds exactly.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, or don't believe her at all.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's what I would go with. But
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: the same and the process fair.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: You know, Oh man, Like, uh, just what was the
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: hashtag believe all women?
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Believe me.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: Women? Really? But yeah, don't believe women. Try to try
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: something like hashtag all women live. So you see how
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: far that goes. If people want to lose their lose
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: their minds about that. Why do you think everyone is
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: trying to discredit or destroy you.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think they all are.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, like there it's not just like and I look,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: I'm not I didn't necessarily want to just talk about
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: these sort of interpersonal things between you and other content
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: creators online because I know there's a lot of that
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: that goes on, and it's kind of you know, it's
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: it's not exactly the smartest thing to talk about. But
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: I do wonder because like you even you kind of
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: said it yourself, or you touched on it a little
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: bit when you said, you know, you people in the
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: MRA space don't don't make any money, and I think
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: that it's because nobody really wants us to. They don't
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: want to hear us. Like, you know, we we got
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: onto some lists, you know, with the government and stuff
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: as well, where they were like, well, we got to
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: redirect people away from this content towards different content. And
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: it doesn't just come from leftists obviously, like like leftist feminists,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: but like so called trad cons too. They're they're very aggressive.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: They really don't like, you know, our tone, they don't
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: like what we say about women, and I just wonder, like,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: what what do they think is our goal that they
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: find it so scary and what's theirs that is so
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: like not in line with ours.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: They want the world to be a better place for
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: their children, and so they want you to adopt their
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: worldview so it can be a better place for their children.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Because they have an ego belief in being right about
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: their religion. So they want to be right, and it's
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: very difficult when you have a world you shattered. I
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: think some of them it's the money they make money
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: with kickbacks from church or something. But yeah, some of them,
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: it's it's hard to tell who's genuine who's not. I
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: think some of them it's money and other ones it's
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: just like a painful realization that their wives are big fat,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: sloed horse too. There's nobody that a light night hard
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: or that a married man. Yeah, are you trying to
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: convince me or yourself? Yeah?
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: It is it is. And again, like as I said earlier,
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: I think the way that you distinguish it. Are they
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: going to push a particular viewpoint, like a political, political
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: position or religious position and say this is the solution,
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: or are they going to say no, Actually, we have
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: to consider giving men of fair shake right in the
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: laws and start and fix that. And I think that's
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: the because it's there's there's very little market for the
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: position of we need to give men a fair shake.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: We can't arrange society to just deliver everything women.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, these are high status men, and high status men
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: have always thrown low status men under the bus and
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: all of history. They'd send them to war, you know
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: what I mean, they would. I think they're like would
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: chop off their like private like Unix right when they
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: chop Yeah, it doesn't really shock me that high status
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: men that can afford a divorce don't really care about
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: you as a low status guy.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, although a lot of high status men are also
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: being destroyed and divorce and me look at Johnny Depp
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: and what he went through.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Yes, correct, but it's just maybe you guys could correct
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong. But I find that it's the
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: average guys that get it the worst because the high
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: the men with money, tend to recover if they're really
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: high performing, at least to some degree.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: No, Yeah, the men who well, they have less resources
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: to actually recover from what the divorce course does, the
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: court does to them. So yeah, I mean, if you're
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: higher up you're more insulated from it, but in more
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: insulated means that you still get a huge hit. You
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: just survive it, you know. And it's and it's that blindness, right, So,
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: and I think with higher status men they get this
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: feeling like they are not really a man, they're not
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: part of the same group and subject to the same
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: kind of controls.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's separately they always think it'll never be
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: done because there's a lot of men an I think that, yeah, well,
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: especially the just my experience, the high status one, because
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: they're really successful in other areas of their life and
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: they're able to alleviate you know, like if you go
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: to the gym and you figured out how to get
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: abs or you know, do something athletic really well, if
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: you out how to make millions of dollars in your head, Oh,
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: I can just figure out this relationship stuff too. But
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: but that's another person you can't control.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: So yeah, and the entirety of the courts you can't control, correct, Yeah, yeah,
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: but there's no incentive for them to acknowledge this because
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: then they would have to feel compassion for other men
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: and feel like they share a fate. And I think
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: that's a lot of Sorry.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I was just agreeing.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: I was agreeing, so okay, yeah, So I think a
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: lot of what motivates this higher status men is to
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: avoid thinking that they are part of the same group
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: in a way.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like that they're better. That's how That's how they
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: hate me too, because I call their wives horrors in
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: a way. Look, and I say all women are horrors
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: to some degree, just some more, some less. And I'm like,
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: what was your wife doing before twenty seven? Since that's
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: a decade, what was she doing?
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: So do you do you when you say those things?
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: I know that it gets a lot of engagement, and
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: it's in it's intentionally inflammatory. Do you like believe it?
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Or are you trying to get people to think about
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: women in a different way or is it both?
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: Uh? No, I believe it.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: No, because okay, like, just going on a historical point
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: of view, you're supposed to be with one guy for life,
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: and like, okay, you might have had a few long
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: term boyfriends, but that's still like double or triple the
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: body counts of the past or allegedly right, who knows
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: women have a incentive to lie? But I just don't
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: like when I don't know men, it's I just think,
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: like you have to shatter that women are like these
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: innocent creatures. Narrative that's just out there. And I'm like, look,
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: if you meet a girl in her mid twenties and
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: she went to college, something happened. How bad I can't say,
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: but like, you met this innocent girl that's done nothing
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: at nine, twenty five, even twenty two. Like a lot
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: of girls have double digit body counts when they graduate
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: high schoo not all, not all, not all. But it's like,
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: come on, guys, you gotta yeah, you gotta, like I
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: just hate this. Oh my wife would never narrative because
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: I've just dealt with this for a years. So I
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: just break it down. I'm like, look, what are the stats.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: Did you marry her? Did you know her her whole life?
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: You did it? She moved to your city. Wow, that's
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: so convenient. That's always the whenever I found that a
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: guy would say his girl is different or special, she'd
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: always just moved. So I'm like, how do you, Yeah,
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: trust but verified. If you didn't verify, don't come with
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: this holier than now at me?
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, this is a like for
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: the most part, we focus more on like the family courts,
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: the false accusations, the disparity in recognition of domestic violence
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: and sexual assaults, so that kind of stuff. But uh yeah,
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: there is a even in what we do. There is
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: that constant drumbeat of delusion about not just like woman's past,
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: but what women are capable of in relationship.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And honestly, the way that I put it is
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: the way that the laws are stacked. Now, a woman
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: actually has to be almost a saint to not engage
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: in any of these behaviors, right. She has to be
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: able to control herself if she gets angry, she gets upset,
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: if he does something that she didn't want him to do,
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: or whatever. She has to be able to control herself
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: like a Buddha, to just avoid all of the armaments
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: that are candid to her by society. So it's like
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: you're not just expecting a normal woman. You're expecting somebody
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: who is basically like I know, there's a lot of
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: contention around Saint Teresa, but just like a saint. And
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: that's a that's a lot to expect from an average person,
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: male or female. So if you get rid of the
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: incentives to behave in these appalling ways, then perhaps we
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: will see a better outcome. That's that's my approach.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: So I totally agree with you. And it's also the
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: technology available.
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: Yes, dopamine hits constantly.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, Tender and Hinge Man totally experienced the before
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: dating apps and after these apps. Yeah.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: I actually was walking and I live in a very
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: small town. It's rural. It's quite a rural area where
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: were about an hour and a half from the nearest city,
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: and that's a Canadian size city, so it's like maybe
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: eighty thousand people. And I was just walking down the
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: street walking my dog, and I overheard two women in
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: a backyard and they were talking about swiping on. I
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: guess it would have been Tender. I don't know anything
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: about them. The I don't I know very little direct
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: experience with the dating apps, but they they one of
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: them said, you know, it's just like culling the weak
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: from the herd. And I'm like, this isn't a town
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: of like a thousand people, and it's here, this, this
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: this crap is here, Like I was just I was gobsmack.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean there's women in remote villages that
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: can hook up with celebrities. Now, I mean, you're gonna
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: look at the incentives. Why wouldn't they mm yeah, they
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: could just find God later, yep, why would I mean
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: come out like, let's reverse it for a second. If
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: most guys had hot like twenty year olds interested in
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: having sex with them right now, immediately, most of them
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: are gonna take it. You know. It's easy, you know,
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: because there's a while where I judged women that would
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: like go on yachts and Dubai or whatever, and then
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: I realized I was, like, I was never invited on
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: a yacht in Dubai, So how do you know what
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: you would do with that amount of power? I like
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: to think I'd do the right thing, but you never know,
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: you know, and we're just handing women like moreas and
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: more power, and then they're like, well what not? Yeah,
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: like Leonardo Dicaprin never invited me or anyone I know
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: on the yachts. But you know, you have no idea
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: what you do at eighteen, right? Yeah?
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: Well, and if you're a woman who already is is
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: into the whole lifestyle, like the the city lifestyle, you
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: probably that would probably be very enticing.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: Or even just if you're a certain looks level, like,
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: do you most women aren't eight to tens? Do you
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: know what you like? It's easy to judge the opportunities
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: and the things women that are eight to ten in
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: beauty will do. But I've never been an eight to
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: ten most women ever have because that's like, I don't know,
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: ten percent of the populate, like most women are normal looking?
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well obviously, yeah.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. So I wanted to bring up a couple
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: of other things that have happened recently. One again, I
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: want to give you props for calling it like you
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: see it with regards to uh, do you remember the
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: the Sarah stock picture with her ring? She said? I won?
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: And you said women while always you like not pictured
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: the husband, and you got a bunch of crap for that.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: But how that? How to that age?
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: She called into the Audacity. I'll tell you something funny.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: I knew she was sleeping with her boss before everyone
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: else did.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Elijah Shaeffer, Yeah, I heard. How did you know? How
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: did you know?
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: I'm a sore a mutual that I was pretty sure
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: knew this girl well enough that they were telling the truth.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: But I wasn't gonna be the one to say it
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: because it wasn't directly right. So this girl calls into
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: my show and just tells me that I'm just jealous
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: because she makes better life choices than me. Yeah, And
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: I'm sitting there and I'm like, I was so close.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, I know you're.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Banging your I can't.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: Like, dude, you can't, but I did. That took so
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: much restraint, but yeah, it was just crazy to me
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: that I can't even like, what ego do you have
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: to have to call into my show and say that
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: as you're banging your boss and cheating on your fiance?
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which they got, Like, didn't they get the pope
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: to like bless them like himself like Pope Leo or whatever.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: Girl, if you just shut up and got married and
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: didn't tell anybody, this never would have happened. You probably
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: still would have had your husband.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: It probably did leave well, yeah, because she cheated on
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: him with Elijah Shaeffer, So you never know, right, Yeah,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if he tried
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: to stay and make it work.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: I do. I think the final stra was the clip
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: that went viral of that said she like ate his
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: ass or something. I think, right, after that, our dating
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: app popped up, like I'm Twitter, So I'm like, I
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: think that was the final straw.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Wow. Whoa wow, And uh, you have like a bit
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: of a whisper network like of other women online, Like
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: what's what's that about. They're like trying to destroy you, right, Oh,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: it's just that's.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: Like what women do normally sometime.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've ever been in one of those, like been
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: on the other end of that.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Women Like I noticed in college
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: there's like a friend group of like ten that every
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: six months, like the queen Bees would get sick of
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: somebody and you start verbally talking about them all the time,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: not to their face, just behind their back.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so it's like high school behavior.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: Basically, women never grow up. I bet you in the
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: nursing home they still do.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: That, oh for sure. Yeah, gossip and whatnot. Yeah. Okay,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: So we you have this documentary coming out called What's
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: in It For Men? I want to know, like, after
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: you've made it, what kind of things that you learned
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: that you didn't know before. You don't have to spoil
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: anything in the movie, and what kind of I guess
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: like reforms would you believe or legal changes do you
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: believe would be better or effectively restore some kind of
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: justice to the family court system.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: So Terence Pop has an interesting plan that I would
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: like to fundraise for. I'd like to use these documentaries
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: to fundraise for men's issues. And what I'm going to
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: do is I'd like to raise two million dollars for
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: Terrence Pop his five five oh one to three c
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: This is going to be butchered. But they're basically you
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: need to file one thousand to two thousand complaints or no, no,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: you can foyer request to judge and then find one
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: thousand to two thousand people that had that judge that corrupt.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: The reason judges are corrupt is because they have something
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: called judicial immunity, which makes it very difficult to fire them.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: Long story short, I could go more into that, but
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to today. And so what we want
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: to do is we want to gather some of the
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: men that have been screwed by some of these corrupt
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: judges and then file complaints. At the same time. We
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: estimate if we have two one thousand to two thousand
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: come files we have to go through, there's a twenty
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: five percent success rate. And what we would do is
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: we would need two paralegals to go through case numbers,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: two federal attorneys, and one or two attorneys on the
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: state board. And that's why we need two million dollars.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: We're going to start with a judge that through a
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: veteran in jail. I just can't remember the exact story,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: but Terrence has it, and that's what that's our plan
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: is we will and then the system that we're going
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: to do with this is replicable, so it can be replicated,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: and it's basically using the system against some of these
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: judges that's used against guys. Terrence will talk more about
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: this in depth because I am butchering this, but yes,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: that is what we are going to.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: Do, and yeah, that's cool. I may have to get
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: Terrence back on to expand on that as a as
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: an idea. Do you think that, like you know, changing
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: the laws like in this way will have a significant
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: impact on the current state of marriage and divorce.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: I really think we're gonna have to start putting women
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: on alimony and have them complain about it. So if
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: you guys got an ex wife and you can put
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: them on alimony and child support, Yeah, I think we
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: just got to start using the system against women.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: Mm hm.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: And you see that sometimes, Like there was Cienama, if
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: you know who that is. She was falsely accused of
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: Bret by her ex boyfriend. No, I didn't know about that,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: big influencer, completely ruined her career. Oh wow, you gotta
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: be collateral chica.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: But but you know, was it actually determined it was
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: false or was it just like, oh, that couldn't have happened.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: And I don't know. I listened to the stories and
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: it just kind of seemed like bullshit to me. Okay,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: she's like hanging out like I don't know, I can't
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: remember the ins and outs, but I listened to both
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: stories and I'm like, I don't know this. This sounds fake.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: It doesn't doesn't smell. It doesn't pass the smell test
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: for me.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: Some people, if you want to look in this is
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: years ago. I don't want to talk too much on
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: it because I don't want to butcher it like this
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: was a long time ago. But I just remember listening
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: to his side in her side and being like, wow,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: this girl sounds like the guys where she's like breaking
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: her seats and saying like, no, I didn't do it,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, all the guys have done this forever,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: or the girls have done this to the guys forever.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: So hmm, yeah, Well we don't even need to have
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: men accuse women falsely of sexual assault. They can just
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: start accusing them of sexual assault that they are actually responsible. Yeah, correct,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: And that might change some stuff, certainly. It would definitely
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: bring more recognition to the problem. Yeah, so I'll just
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: If men even start doing it falsely, it's like, then
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: there's some incentive to change the laws because they never
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: changed the laws for men. Yeah, that's true, and make
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: it a more fair system.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, go to the dark side.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: Since you started doing YouTube, and I know that you've
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: like had like a bunch of different iterations. You know,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: you've done the I think there was like a wife
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: training channel or something like that, and then there was
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: the pregame and you'd have the people over and all that.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: What have you learned or how have you changed in
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: your opinions or views from the point you started to now?
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: I would say I had more of a traditional point
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: of view when I started, Yeah, and it was kind
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: of short lived by the time I got on YouTube.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: It was more when I was on TikTok. Yeah, I
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: used to kind of think homemakers were the way to go.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: But just after seeing how much of a different disadvantagement
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: are and we're not of it as many kids, do
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: you really need to stay it on wife for one kid.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: That's a good point, Like, I mean, my grandma had twelve,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: so yeah, I could see the case for that.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: But yeah, my grandmother had ten.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: Your grandma's probably had twelve and also ran a house
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: and probably a small at least a market garden.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: Right, she worked too, had worked, so there you go. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: when the kids got to a certain age, she worked.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I think the stay at home mom thing
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: is like a it's a myth. It's not real. It's
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: like a blip on the on the timeline. Yeah, well
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: it's of human existence.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a mad uh. It's a Madison Avenue construct
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: from the fifties, really advertising construct.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: It.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: Prior to that, women would have been actually doing work
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: in the home a substantial amount. Yeah, actually, prior to
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: like industrial food source, because you'd have to work with
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: what you had locally to feed people.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: What if, as an aside, what if, like the problem
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: the reason why everyone is so unhealthy because of processed
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: foods goes back to us trying to make like dinner
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: easier for for you know, women to make for their families.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: Like what if, what if like the TV dinner from
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: the fifties was the start of the end, and like
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: the reason why you know, we're all, you know, so
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: unhealthy right now.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: I actually I totally agree with you because I've always
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: I've struggled with weight, and I've noticed I've always been
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: very jealous of people that don't like my boyfriend's that way,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: he just doesn't overeat like it doesn't even and I've
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: noticed that the people that don't did have stay at
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: home moms or moms that cooked, and so I don't know,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. That's just an observation I've had.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: And you know what else I think it is, it's
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: women's chaos because again, routine, you just being in fitness,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: like you have to eat the same things otherwise you
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: get fat. And so the more variety in your diet,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: the like fatter you're gonna get. And so women even
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: at like if they're in control of the food in
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: the house, it's they tend to be fatter because like
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: if you eat the same foods, then you start to
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: adjust and like put less oil in, put less butter.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: But like if you're doing a new recipe every day,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: it just makes the house fatter.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: Well, if you use food as entertainment, right.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that too many the same things. So like I
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: think there was a study that said, like they lose
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: forty percent more weight if you just eat the same things.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: Interesting, Yeah, I didn't know that.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, So I know that you're kind of like you
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: you have to go soon, you're running out of time,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: So what is there anything that you know? You Well,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: I guess what what I would ask is, like, what
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: do you think about what MRAs are doing? Like are
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: we wasting our time? Is this like a good thing
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: to do? Like what? I don't know like it because
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: it sounds like it's not quite your wheelhouse.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, I think it is selling hope to say that.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: I think that the court system will change in my lifetime.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: But I don't think it's a waste of time because
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: at least you can educate men, and at least you
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: can if you make them know if they if men,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: men are very good at problem solving, even in a
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: shitty system. So if you let men know what the
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: problem is and educate them on the laws, men by
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: themselves do figure out solutions. Court system it's tough because
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: it's like, do you want to have kids this year?
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: In ten years and five years do you don't have
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: kids at all? Like, if you want kids this year,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: does it like matter if they change the court system
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: in twenty or thirty for your life? Although there are some.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: States that have actually changed to shared custody.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't think it's like a lost cause.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: But like, do I think I'll see a day when
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: fathers get like primary custody the majority of the time,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: you might see like a little bit more fair, But
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know, we'll see.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, what's interesting about shared custody states is it
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: reduces the rate of divorce and everybody's actually happier, even
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: the women.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And it also encourages men to invest more in
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: their children because if you know that they can't be
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: taken away from you, you're more likely to be in
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: a involved father, which increases the amount of children that
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: women are willing to have. But nope, but unfortunately there's
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: a big pushback against this very simple solution to the
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: problems that everybody, everybody is improved by, except for feminists
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: and divorce lawyers. They don't like it because they don't
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: they don't continue to make the money that they want
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: to make from from divorce and women's desire to destroy
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: their relationships with men. But yeah, so there is a
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: little ray of hope there, and maybe more states will
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: realize that shared custody actually benefits everyone, especially when you know,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: maybe the federal money starts to run out and nobody
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: gets as much kickbacks for being engaging in this kind
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: of dysregulation, this kind of chicanery. Okay, Brian saved.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: Me from Oh yeah, okay, yeah, so I got another
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: I gotta rumble rate really quick, and then I'm going
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: to ask you one last question. So Roboto one, two, three, five, six, seven,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: because it's a dollar and says, if every woman is
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: a ten in twenty twenty six, does that mean that
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: no one is a ten? Or does that make the
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: tens twenties in twenty twenty six?
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: Ob Okay, do you know what? The obesity rate in
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: America has given average women an absurd amount of power,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: to the point that average women that are thin are
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: almost get to operate as sevens.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so like if just not being fat, yeah, way
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: up up there.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: They get they almost get the buying power of like
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: an eight of the past, this actual market because women
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: are just so fat.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: No, it's like the reverse of inflation.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: Then yeah, that corlation is real.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: So okay. So you got this documentary coming out. It's
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: called What's in It for Men? And it's like part one?
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: How how like? I mean, I know this is like
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: you're not done yet, and I don't want to give
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: you to give too much away, but first part of
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: the question is how long do you plan on this
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: to be like a full movie or more like maybe
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: like an episode, like an.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: Hour or something and ninety minutes, sorry.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: Ninety minutes okay and you no, it's okay. And you
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: have another one coming out after that about men in
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: the military. Do you have like an outline of like
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: how many you want to do for the whole series?
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: Like what are you? What are you thinking?
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: So how many I do depends on how much money
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: I raised to fund.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so right now, okay, hypothetical unlimited budget. You know,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: angel investor, He's like giving you a blank check. What
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: are you gonna do.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, so the next one, let me see what's in it.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: We got divorce education, Uh, here we go, all right.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: Here is just something we wrote on this the quest.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: The story is about asking the question what is going
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: on with men? Men are more likely to drop out
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: of school. The schools are geared and run by women
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: and punishment for being so that'd be a movie. Men
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: are dropping out of the workforce. Why should they go
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: above and beyond for a system that is willing to
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: enslave them once they become fathers workforce? That's another one.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: Men are committing suicide. The removal of men's purpose will
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: fast track him into the suicidal lane, take his children away,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: impound thirty to fifty percent of his income, and assassinate
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: his reputation and destroy all hope for the future. That's
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: kind of part of this one. Suicide maybe could be
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: its own movie. Possibly three. Men are not enlisting in
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: the military. The work bullshit, the low pay, the political
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: correctness plus incompetent leaders are the main reason. That's the
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: one I mentioned earlier. Men are not becoming cops. Many
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: men I know refuse to enforce one sided laws against men,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: and many cops lose their ability to carry firearms due
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: to the rash of unjustified justified PPOs. Men are not
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: getting married or dating, which is this one? Thanks to
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: the Internet and the stories of three generations of men
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: getting slam fucked in divorce and custody court, men are
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: dropped out of society, the logical reaction to men who
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: are hated and persecuted simply for being men. Why play
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: the rigged game if it gives up, if it gives
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: your time and resources. The documentary begs the question what's
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: in it for men? Why should men protect, build, and
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: participate in protecting a civilization that despises them to their core?
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: The arc of the film is showing is asking the
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: question why do men want to get married? That was
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: my original question. I don't want to sprinkle who I
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: I was saying. This is a note for the editor.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: I don't want this to be about me. I want
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: to make it about the story. I have a list
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: of stats below, and yeah, that's that's pretty much it.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: The point is destroy men, destroy society. Yeah, so that's
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: that's kind of like an overview.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, wow, that sounds like really ambitious but very exciting.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: Did you did you see Cassie Jay's documentary that came
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: out in twenty seventeen. It is good, Yeah, it is
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: it a are you kind of like is that part
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: of what inspire you to do this? I mean, I
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: know this, it's not the same thing. But she got
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of flak for that too, by the way,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: when she was trying to release it.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe, but I didn't. I don't think HER's influenced
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: me too much.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: I just kind of wanted to well, yeah, I mean
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: just the fact that she made it. I you know,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: like there were there's like a lot of people trying
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: to do I don't know, something different, something more manipulative.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: I think like Louis Thorrou's documentary Inside the Manisphere. That's
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: more like what's going to get the mainstream treatment, you know,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: not what you want to do.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm hoping that we can use this to raise
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: money for Terrence, because I think he's got a pretty
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: good plan for how he can and I just know
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: him like he'll go after the court system with his life.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: I can only do so many things. I can't run
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: a show, create documentaries and take the court system down.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: But sure, I would really like to do this right,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: we could start fundraising. That's really my next goals. I'm
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: trying to learn how to fundraise. My first fundraiser is
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: actually going to be the day before my debate in
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: New York City, which is September tenth.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: Who are you debating?
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: I'm debating, not so aired it on the eleventh. On
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: the Friday, we're doing a fundraiser which is about twenty
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: seats at a steakhouse, and you'd have to buy tickets.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: They're not We're waiting on the website to go up,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: so it's you can buy tickets in like a week.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: I have no idea if it's going to go good
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: or bad. This is my first one, so we'll see
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: your first what like dinner thing my first fundraiser.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, oh I hope you do. Speaking of
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: the military thing, and you know, since you're talking to Terrence,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: you did he put you in touch, by any chance,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: with Arvis Olwens. Okay, good, yeah, if we.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: Do the military documentary, he'll be in it.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, good, good good. Yeah. I've had Arvis on
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: the channel multiple times. He put me in touch with
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: all these military guys that got absolutely destroyed by the
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: by the military courts over bullshit. Frankly, uh okay, and
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: let's see I think that I feel like there was
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: one Oh yeah, not so erudite. So what are you
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: guys debating?
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: You know what, I can't even remember the problem right now.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: Well, just be careful. She's she's a snake, that's all
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, yeah, she is. She Well, she's
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: like friends with Destiny. She like takes Marchie orders from
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: him or something.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: It's just kind of incredible that it's like, do you
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: know what, I'll openly admit that I don't have a
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: real job and that the opinions of men like Terrence
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: are just mean so much more. And I don't understand
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: how these people like there's no humility. They think they
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: know everything because they can google. It's like, what is
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: your what is your resume?
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah for sure, for sure.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: You know, Annikyan said that Terrence pop saved five hundred
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: men from suicide. That's an anecdote, And like that's like
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: the scum of the earth with these people.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: I know, I know, yeah, well you know that's the thing.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: They want to win arguments so they can get more clouts,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: they can make more money. You know, there's a word
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: for that, but I can't think of it right now.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: It slips my mind. But uh no, I was gonna
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: say grifter, but like a real one, like a real one,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: you know. But anyway, So, so Pearl, thanks so much
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: for coming on. I don't know if there's anything that
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: you wanted to bring up or ask us that we
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: didn't get to get to.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: Uh no, not maybe what made you guys? Like how
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: did you find the men's rights movement? Like how did
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: you get here?
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: Do you want to go first, Brian?
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: Uh well, okay, yeah, so I'll go first because I'm
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: sure it'll be shorter than Allison. So I basically like
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: had a bunch of my friends and they were all
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: like getting in divorces, like absolutely destructive. Even though I
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: met their wives and I found them quite pleasant. I
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: got along with them and we would hang out. At
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: the time, I lived in Chicago. I grew up there,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: but I moved out of there, but at the time,
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: we would go out with my friends. And then all
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, like all my friends were getting divorced
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: and they're losing their house and they're losing their kids,
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, what the heck's going on? And I
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: didn't understand it, although I hadn't been married at that point,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: and so I just sort of, like, you know, was
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: talking to another friend of mine who's also single, and
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: he basically like told me about Migtow and I ended
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: up looking into Migtow and from there I found like
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: all of the other content. I learned about what was
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: going on with not just like the family courts, but
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: child custody, false allegations, circumcision, like everything under the sun.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: And from there I found Honey Badger Radio and I
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: offered to help them. At first, I was just making
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: like artwork because that's what I was. I was an
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: artist or I am an artist, and then they brought
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: me on and I just kept doing it because I mean,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: and while that was going on, by the way, I
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: more of my friends were getting divorced and losing stuff,
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: like it was just I don't I think I know
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: one guy who stayed with his wife and I don't
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: know how long it's going to last. So yeah, that's
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: a shame. But that's basically it for me in the short.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm married now and I'm happy because my
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: wife is based but like that's very rare.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: It seems, well, she's also aware of men's issues. Yeah,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: that's definitely. I'm not going to say that every woman
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: who understands and really gets men's issues is good, because
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: we've gone through quite a few instances of women who
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: say they understand this stuff and then suddenly use their
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: their work with the men's issues community to turn around
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: and backstab it. There's been a few of that, But
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: in my experience, women who can actually acknowledge that men
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: have the right to have vulnerabilities particularly to women, are
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: in a different a little bit different category. And it
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: really is just that being able to say I don't
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: have the moral I'm not the moral center of the
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: universe as a woman, I'm not the moral center of
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: the universe. That there is things that men experience, things
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: that men do that we need to we need to
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: protect them from certain things like divorce court other stuff,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: and they have a right to be seen as needing protection.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: And that's something that's really hard for women to wrap
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: their heads around. The way that I ended up in
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: this the other side of the chasm, perhaps is it
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: actually starts with my mother, who was a editor of
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: a woman's magazine or women's news newsletter, like a feminist
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: newsletter in like the seventies, and she was the original,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: one of the original founders of the Take Back the
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: Women the Night March in the city that we were
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: part of that I was born in. And what ended
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: up happening is she just watched how feminists would treat
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: my father and they would like there was there was
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: lesbian separatists, like he would volunteer to be a bartender
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: at one of their events and they wouldn't touch drinks
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: that he'd made. And she just watched this, yeah, like
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: they were like this was just and that was back
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: in the seventies, so you could see the writing on
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: the wall even then. And and then the other thing
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: that happened is she at the newsletter she started to say,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: we need to, you know, maintain a standard of quality
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: like grammar, not publishing gigantic tall walls of text or text,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: you know, with no actual formatting or coherent thought. And
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: she got drummed out by the EDITORI like that by
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: the other women because they said that standards of grammar
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: were patriarchal. What yes, yes, any kind of standard that
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: you hold anything to. And again, this is writing on
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: the wall, right if you hold women to any kind
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: of standard, that's patriarchy. That's doing a patriarchy, including grammar,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: including coherence. Right, So she ended up getting drummed out
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: of that, and over time she ended up her politics
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: became more and more conservative, I don't want to say conservative,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: but just like in less liberal perhaps. And then I
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: went to an all girls school and it was very feminist,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: and when I returned, I was getting really radically feminist.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: And she gave me a book called The Princess at
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: the Window and said, you know, read this. This is
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: the other side. And that was basically my start of
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: reading all of this.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: I think for me, when I really made the commitment
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: to the non feminist side of things is when I
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: would bring up all of these issues. Because we used
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: to have like forums back that was like early two thousands, right,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: so it was like us net and People's had like
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: a discussion forums. It's completely different landscape. And I went
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: to one of these discussion forums with feminists and I
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: would bring up the things that I had read about
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: suicide rates, about domestic violence, because even then there was
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: a huge body of evidence that it was symmetrical and
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: all of this stuff. And instead of addressing the things
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: that I was saying, they would just launch into abusive
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: tire aides at me, just constantly, and I'm like, you know,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: I want an answer to this stuff, and you abusing
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: me doesn't make me agree with you. And so I
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: just kept digging and digging and digging and digging, you know,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: over the decades, and found more and more about all
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: of this. And so I think what really got me
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: into it is I just can't stand being lied to. Yeah,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: there's so much lying, so much Yeah, And I mean recently,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: I've been working on a project where I'm just looking
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: at the connection between feminism and corruption, like the the
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: their feminism's marginalization of men of masculinity has led to
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: massive amounts of corruption in the government and in corporations.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: And I know that sounds conspiratorial, but I have the
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: actually been I have the mechanism and the receipts for it.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: They're being used as a firewall to justify all kinds
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: of financial chicanery. And I know this is a bit
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: I'm getting too abstract, so I'll just stop there. But
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: it's crazy what what feminism is enabling in our society,
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: and what this this set of lies has set into motion,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: so I'll leave it at that.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: Well that's great. I think you guys are doing good work,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: so thank you.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: Appreciate it. All right, So so I guess, like what
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: you already asked you, what's next for your documentary? But
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: like where can people find you? And do you have
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: anything big coming up soon other than this debate and
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: this documentary?
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: That's pretty much you're not.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: Going to be going to another church. I do churches
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: every week, so yeah, okay, okay, so you're going to
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: be doing another what kind of church where we're at?
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: I'm probably Latin masks next maybe, but yeah, you can
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: go to the Audacity network dot com. I don't announce
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: the churches before I go because it's less genuine.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: Then.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: I don't like giving people heads up.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: I just want to.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: Because that that takes it's journalistic, it's you know, yeah,
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: if I tell you, you're just gonna give you your
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: best members. I gotta see how good I really got
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: to go though, guys, So thank you.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, thank you girl. We're going to wrap it
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: up here, So thanks guys for coming on the stream.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: Appreciate everybody, Please share, subscribe. Sorry, she she took off.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: It's it's okay. Please like, share, subscribe, and we'll talk
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: to you guys the next one. Have a good evening
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: or afternoon